Trauma and Trust Issues: The Women of Salt Lake City Clash

We Wine Whenever (00:01.027)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.694)
I'm Kelly.

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And I'm Lori.

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So this is our 100th episode. So very, very exciting. We dropped our very first episode on August 31st, 2023. And we are recording this on September 21st, 2024. So I am beyond proud of us because I think, you know, we've come a long way.

Kelli (00:12.27)
Very exciting.

Kelli (00:22.692)
Mm -hmm.

Kelli (00:31.342)
Me too.

We Wine Whenever (00:34.429)
You know what I'm really proud of? I'm really proud that you know those exact dates. Because you would ask me and I would be like, I got, I don't know, last year, the year before. Don't be coming to me for dates. No. So very impressive. No. Or anything technical. No. Yes. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (00:38.924)
yeah.

Kelli (00:42.724)
We're never gonna go to you for dates.

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No, we're not going to for dates or numbers or anything technical.

Kelli (00:55.876)
Creative you're the creative piece of this whole thing lore and we appreciate that I don't have a creative bone in my body. So I really appreciate that

We Wine Whenever (01:05.26)
So we are talking about The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, season five, episode number one. And this one is called Costume or Couture. Yes, it was just, it really was a great title. So last year when Salt Lake started, it had a really weird beginning where they were doing like the biblical verses and then.

Kelli (01:18.285)
my God, so funny. That's a great title.

We Wine Whenever (01:22.833)
It was a good title.

Kelli (01:32.031)
yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:32.896)
This year I thought it started weird too. They started with the ladies like in their confessionals with Heather kind of like narrating it. I felt like she was narrating it. First she was speaking, then we heard Whitney and then we heard Angie and then Mary and then Lisa. One of the things I also thought was interesting in the very beginning, the opening picture of the cast had Angie in the middle and

We Wine Whenever (01:43.454)
Mm -hmm.

Kelli (02:01.336)
I didn't notice that.

We Wine Whenever (02:02.577)
and Heather and Whitney on opposite ends. And then it went, I wanted to, I wrote it down, left to right, was Heather, Meredith, Lisa, Angie, Mary, I put new person, because I didn't know her name at the time, and then Whitney. But then later on in the episode, there was a different cast photo, and Heather was in the middle, which is where I feel she should be. I feel like Heather should be in the middle.

We Wine Whenever (02:02.598)
Mm -hmm.

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Interesting.

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think Angie should be.

Kelli (02:34.17)
don't think Angie should be either.

We Wine Whenever (02:36.629)
So I just thought that was a little bit interesting.

We Wine Whenever (02:40.265)
One thing I wanted to bring up that I really did enjoy, because I'm not this big Housewife fan, but I did like the new kind of cinematography, like where they like zoom through the house and they did things where like all of sudden somebody's, like if Lisa was saying something, all of sudden her voice would echo.

and then that would lead into like a flashback. So it lived like that.

Kelli (03:10.55)
Yeah, yes, a lot of flashbacks in this episode.

We Wine Whenever (03:14.954)
And Lisa's house was the only one where when you watched that zoom through, you really didn't get to see the outside of her house. Interesting.

We Wine Whenever (03:15.09)
Yes.

Kelli (03:27.278)
I feel like they've all upgraded their homes. Heather has a new home. Whitney has a new home. Meredith has a new home, but Meredith has a new home every season. Right. So I'm assuming Mary's still in her house and I think Angie is still in her house, but now her house is up for sale, but not while they were filming. But those other three have definitely upgraded their homes.

We Wine Whenever (03:34.694)
Mm -hmm.

We Wine Whenever (03:38.087)
Meredith has a new rental for three months while she's filming.

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So let me ask, I wanna ask you, which house is your favorite? Like if you had to pick one.

Kelli (04:02.432)
I liked Meredith's because of the big windows. But Angie's has that too, but not like Meredith's.

We Wine Whenever (04:03.894)
Me too. Yeah, hers was my favorite,

I'm not like Meredith. No, Meredith, I like the best. What about you, Wendy?

Kelli (04:13.16)
me too. I love those big giant windows.

We Wine Whenever (04:16.508)
I like the big windows as well. Yeah, definitely like the big windows too, but listen, Angie owns her house and Meredith rents an Airbnb every seasons.

We Wine Whenever (04:16.509)
What about you, Anjelica?

Kelli (04:18.467)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (04:27.443)
Well, let me bring this up. I listened to that guy, what's his name? Up and Adam. Did you guys ever see him? So he says that he knows of Meredith's family from Palm Beach, because that's where his parents are from. And he says that he's met her a couple of times and he says she's got plenty of dough that...

We Wine Whenever (04:30.77)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (04:37.911)
yeah.

Kelli (04:37.932)
yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (04:53.639)
when she's not in that house, she like travels to Europe for a couple of months. And I've thought about it and I was like, you know what? If that's her gig and she's got the dough, it's actually pretty smart to just rent it. Because I wouldn't want people to know where I actually lived. I think that's kind of crazy town that these girls, that this is the house they live in and then they put that on TV. I think it's pretty smart of her to just rent a house for the show. No one, you know, if you own the house, then when you're not filming people,

driving by and trying, you know how you guys do reconnaissance. So I don't know. I think it's kind of smart.

Kelli (05:26.064)
we know. Yeah, we know. Well, so when she first came on the show, her husband, Seth, worked in a different state and he was basically saying to her, like, we have to move there. So, but then we learned that they really primarily lived in that other state and she basically rents in Salt Lake City when they're filming the show. And other than when they're filming, she's not there, which is fine.

We Wine Whenever (05:54.611)
Right. Yeah, hey,

We Wine Whenever (05:55.834)
Yeah, it's too -

Kelli (05:55.96)
She has a store there, she clearly has some roots there, but that's, you know, they made it as if he was like, we have to go live in this other state because of my job, but it was like, meanwhile you were living there, you just came here to film the show. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (06:01.641)
And if that's okay with Bravo.

We Wine Whenever (06:12.529)
Right. But if Bravo's okay with that and wants to pay her... Okay.

Kelli (06:15.99)
Yeah, for sure, for sure. But it doesn't matter.

We Wine Whenever (06:20.087)
No, it doesn't matter. agree. So, in the intro, Heather says the circle of trust turns on you. And then we start out with the blue sky ranch and Lisa is hosting the party and she shows up with her sister -in -law, Kim, which I believe is the first time we've seen her sister -in -law.

Kelli (06:39.384)
Yeah, I don't remember ever seeing her before.

We Wine Whenever (06:41.667)
And the party's around Valentine's Day, so she's calling it a Bezos party. To give little kisses.

We Wine Whenever (06:48.201)
I just kept thinking of Jeff Bezos. I was like, I'm confused. That's all I thought of.

Kelli (06:52.045)
Me too.

We Wine Whenever (06:52.812)
Yeah, but it's not, it's not spelled the same way. So she said, it's to give little kisses to my girlfriends to remind them that I love them some more than others, because I looked up Bezos and I was like, what is it? It was just, she just made it up. I think it's a made up word for her. Whatever. mean, you go ahead, go ahead, Lisa, you do you. I mean, make up words for your party, whatever. And then we see, which starts with the flashbacks two weeks prior to the party, Lisa and Angie and Heather,

Kelli (06:56.474)
I thought of it too.

We Wine Whenever (07:08.243)
Gosh, it's so stupid.

Kelli (07:11.636)
Absolutely. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (07:13.813)
god.

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are together and Lisa invites them and tells them to bring friends and that she's going to be inviting some of the neighbors and that she invited Whitney, but she was still upset with her about what was said on the podcast, the Nile File podcast, where she said Lisa is a villain. Yeah.

Kelli (07:40.92)
These women crack me up. They get so jacked up over the stupidest things that people say on podcasts. Like last year it was Meredith getting all pissed off at Whitney for the bathtub thing. It's like, come on.

We Wine Whenever (07:53.676)
Right, right. I know, I know.

We Wine Whenever (07:56.411)
well that bathtub, bathtub saga continues. Yeah. The bathtub saga continues as we see later in Yeah.

Kelli (07:57.828)
Like if you had real problems.

Kelli (08:03.222)
Exactly! So stupid, I was gonna do a bath line, and now you have bath bombs. Meredith, you, I mean, if you ever had a real problem, how would you deal?

We Wine Whenever (08:09.449)
Thank you.

We Wine Whenever (08:14.643)
How would you do? Yep.

We Wine Whenever (08:17.429)
And then we see Mary and Angie show up together and now all of a sudden they're friends. And honestly, I'm actually here for it. I'm here for it. Because I thought last year Mary was annoying and did not participate. And she still has her same condescending ways about her, but I don't know why I'm more tolerable of her so far this year, but I just was here for it.

Kelli (08:23.246)
They are BFFs.

For sure, for sure.

Kelli (08:40.59)
Me too.

And Angie got a bad rap last year, like the whole Meredith thing coming after her marriage. And she did 100 % come for her marriage. So I like that Angie has an ally.

We Wine Whenever (08:51.265)
100.

We Wine Whenever (08:54.933)
Yes, I do too. I do too. they... Go ahead.

We Wine Whenever (08:57.581)
And I gotta just, I just gotta say this. I know, high fashion, blah, blah, blah. I am sorry right now. That coat, I don't give a shit.

We Wine Whenever (09:08.767)
You can't jump to that. If the red fur coat. Okay.

We Wine Whenever (09:12.391)
I'm talking about, no, I'm talking about, no, I'm talking about Mary's coat. Ugly as fuck. I don't care how much it I don't care who made it. I don't care. I don't care. It's ugly. I don't care.

We Wine Whenever (09:19.105)
Kelli (09:22.53)
I'm sure it was very expensive. Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (09:25.545)
I'm sure it was too. I'm sure it was too. But Angie goes on to tell us that how her and Mary are now friends, that they show up with matching purses, that she invited her to Kathy Hilton's Christmas party. I just want... Yes, yes.

Kelli (09:40.182)
Mary invited Angie, correct? I can't stand that Kathy Hilton is relevant in another fucking show, by the way.

We Wine Whenever (09:48.116)
don't know how Mary got the invite to Kathy Hilton's. That's what I want to know. How did Mary get the invite?

Kelli (09:52.058)
Come on.

because Mary is like a standout in all of these shows she gives zero fucks about anything and has more money than most that's right up Kathy Hilton's alley

We Wine Whenever (10:04.98)
Well, that is true.

We Wine Whenever (10:10.979)
And I wanted to put out there, so in order to crack Mary, you need to help her out with lipstick on her teeth. Was that okay? yes, and you have to lose some significant weight because...

Kelli (10:19.898)
I didn't even notice!

We Wine Whenever (10:20.212)
yes, yes, yes.

Kelli (10:28.374)
yes, yes, yes.

We Wine Whenever (10:30.343)
That's what one has to do to crack Mary.

Kelli (10:34.03)
Yes, yes.

We Wine Whenever (10:35.721)
And speaking of Mary Ann Money, she, I just saw a social media post. She is suing two former church employees, her and her husband, for, they said that they, these two employees from the tithing stole $6 .2 million from the church. But let me say this, what are you doing as a church if they stole $6 .2

We Wine Whenever (10:56.594)
wow.

Kelli (10:58.393)
Wow.

We Wine Whenever (11:03.879)
How much is it that you're making and where are you going making all that money as a church? So that's just...

Kelli (11:06.201)
Yep.

Kelli (11:10.372)
That's what I'm saying. Mary's got more money than any of them.

We Wine Whenever (11:14.223)
It's just, it was crazy town when I saw that.

We Wine Whenever (11:17.897)
I agree, that is crazy town. So then we see that Heather comes in with her friend, Brittany, and I did too. Heather goes up to Mary and Mary's like, you look pretty and thin. You look pretty and thin.

Kelli (11:26.33)
I her.

We Wine Whenever (11:35.687)
Now on that podcast, the Up and Atom, he had some other girl on and he was like, you know, when Mary said that, it was like a very like Devil Wears Prada moment. It was like Glenn Close, like, he just looked at her and said, you're a sin, I like you.

We Wine Whenever (11:40.336)
huh.

Kelli (11:55.96)
Yes, exactly. Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (11:59.494)
Okay, and then we see Bronwyn come in and she's Lisa's friend and she shows up with the big red fur heart coat.

Kelli (12:08.482)
You know the cartoon character she looked like, Yes. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (12:11.153)
Gossamer from Bugs Bunny because as soon as I saw that coat I was like, my god, that's the guy from Bugs Bunny so I had to look it up and find out his name.

Kelli (12:21.026)
I didn't know his name, but that's exactly who I'm talking about. That's exactly what I thought of. First thing I thought of. I don't care if Rihanna has the jacket. It's awful.

We Wine Whenever (12:24.047)
Yes, yes, I grabbed it.

We Wine Whenever (12:27.411)
I think.

I don't yet. Awful.

We Wine Whenever (12:30.045)
Okay. I agree it's awful, but I will say this. I am here for her because I think that she is quirky, unapologetic, and I'm here for this fashion. mean, walking down the street in 36 degree weather with the leopard print boots. And I was calling it a bathing suit. It wasn't bathing suit material, but it was a high -waisted

Kelli (12:43.011)
Yes.

Kelli (12:52.452)
Hot pants.

We Wine Whenever (12:53.832)
the -

We Wine Whenever (13:00.176)
bathing suit, bottom and bra.

Kelli (13:02.426)
It was not bad.

We Wine Whenever (13:02.641)
It was hot pants. It was a puffer. Puffer.

We Wine Whenever (13:04.508)
They were sh - They were shorter than hot pants! They were panties!

We Wine Whenever (13:09.481)
Puffer hot pants. What are you doing? What are you doing? Even a 20 year old. Stop.

We Wine Whenever (13:16.091)
She reminds me of the Dubai woman. Why can't I think of her name? Uba's cousin. Chanel Ayan. She reminds me of Chanel Ayan. Like totally inappropriate. But this is who she is. I don't think she's doing this for the show. I'm here, I'm so here.

Kelli (13:25.23)
I don't want to... Ion?

We Wine Whenever (13:28.3)
yeah.

Kelli (13:38.222)
dislike her. just I don't understand the way she dresses. But you know, I shop at Express so

We Wine Whenever (13:46.188)
I'm s are they still in business? Yeah. Only online though, right?

Kelli (13:48.492)
Express? god yeah. No they're in the malls.

We Wine Whenever (13:54.35)
They are? I haven't been them all in a while, guess. All right, so I'm, listen, I'm here for Bronwyn. I thought that the heart coat was crazy. And Lisa says that she met her at Nordstrom's at least seven years ago and she was dressed in sweatpants and she said, she made a comment to her about she liked what she was looking at.

Kelli (13:57.816)
Yeah, absolutely. Re -hold that Ocean County.

We Wine Whenever (14:20.906)
and she kind of was like looking down on her because Lisa was dressed in sweatpants. Which again, I mean, I think that Lisa would have done the same thing if it was reversed as I think Barry would have done the same thing. Like if Mary's.

Kelli (14:25.476)
Bye, Pantheon.

Kelli (14:34.17)
Probably now Lisa would have, but back then she probably didn't, because she was dressed like that. Married, for sure.

We Wine Whenever (14:38.634)
Right. Right. Exactly. But also she just got back from Couture in Paris. So this woman's got some serious bank to be dressing in these Couture clothing, to be traveling the world. And her brand, she tells us her brand is Funny Chaos. All right.

Kelli (15:03.096)
yeah, i get it. did she say what her husband does for a living? i know he's significantly older than her.

We Wine Whenever (15:04.482)
I do too.

She did not.

She has six dogs, she has, yep, six dogs, a 16 -year -old daughter named Gwen and a 65 -year -old husband named Todd, and she is 38. So, there's that. Well, you know what? I think it's pretty common though in the Mormon.

We Wine Whenever (15:10.921)
26 years.

Kelli (15:12.666)
26 years. Wow.

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See you everybody.

Kelli (15:26.02)
that age gaps affecting you now.

We Wine Whenever (15:29.321)
you

Kelli (15:33.85)
That's a that's a big age gap.

We Wine Whenever (15:35.421)
That's big. That's a big one. That's a big one.

We Wine Whenever (15:38.346)
It's a big one. It's a big one, but she doesn't seem to have a problem. Yeah.

Kelli (15:40.986)
38 to 65.

We Wine Whenever (15:44.073)
You know what? You know when that's a problem? When you get older. Yeah, it's, it's, I mean, not that they're not... Yeah. Well, how about when he's, how about when he's, yeah, how about when he's 80? That's really bad.

We Wine Whenever (15:47.832)
When? Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, when he's 70. When he's 70. And she's in her 40s.

Kelli (15:49.742)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (16:01.25)
Yeah... Right, right. Listen, don't think it's great now, probably.

We Wine Whenever (16:04.001)
Mm -hmm.

We Wine Whenever (16:09.911)
Did say they were skiing together?

Kelli (16:11.93)
Yeah, he must be a young 65.

We Wine Whenever (16:15.467)
Yeah, well, I mean, I hope we get to see a little more of him, to be honest with you.

Kelli (16:18.806)
Yeah, I like her, so I'm here for it.

We Wine Whenever (16:22.481)
Meredith comes with her assistant, Jamie, and Whitney shows up with her friend, Mellie or Mealy. I'm not sure how you pronounce it. she says that she has not seen or talked to Lisa in two months and she keeps referring to New York, which we know is the reunion union. And she feels like she's not close with any of them after the reunion. So this is what I don't get. So.

Kelli (16:41.385)
yeah.

We Wine Whenever (16:49.588)
The reunion last year was all about Monica and really what Monica did. And the season really climaxed with Monica. So I don't quite understand like what happened between Whitney and Heather. I know that they fought at the end of the season.

Kelli (16:53.316)
Yeah.

Kelli (17:08.494)
Well, Whitney and Heather, yeah, because of what Heather put in her book that was supposedly so offensive of Whitney. It's like you painted your husband in your bed. Like, come on, stop it with being offended about what she wrote in her book. And according to Heather, she told Whitney what she was writing in the book and she had no problem with it. So she was just making up a storyline. In my opinion.

We Wine Whenever (17:20.336)
Right, right, right.

We Wine Whenever (17:22.909)
Yeah, what was that?

We Wine Whenever (17:32.617)
Yeah, to be, but to be mad still.

We Wine Whenever (17:33.289)
So what was the saying that she said? Remember she said, you're exploiting my vagina or something ridiculous. Don't you remember when she was running out of that restaurant? Now that friend of hers, Whitney's friend, is really not her friend. No, it's just somebody that, you know, she just got cast for the show. It's not like she, yeah, she's not really Whitney's.

Kelli (17:40.152)
Guess, guess.

We Wine Whenever (17:42.76)
Yes.

Kelli (17:44.397)
Yeah, I mean, come on.

We Wine Whenever (17:49.45)
Mm -hmm.

We Wine Whenever (17:54.186)
Why?

We Wine Whenever (17:59.795)
Really?

We Wine Whenever (18:02.917)
actual friend. She's just who came with, you know, she just got cast for the show.

Kelli (18:04.248)
Interesting.

Kelli (18:09.1)
Right. That's interesting.

We Wine Whenever (18:09.842)
Okay, that is interesting. Then we find out a

We Wine Whenever (18:12.923)
And her outfit was interesting, very like Barbie core. She had on the hot pink, like, light brown wood. God. No.

Kelli (18:17.378)
Yeah. Yeah, I actually liked that. No, not your gig.

We Wine Whenever (18:22.568)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (18:26.718)
I will say I loved Heather's dress. I thought Heather looked amazing with the hearts all over her.

We Wine Whenever (18:33.659)
I that the only two people, the person dressed most appropriately for the venue and the event was Meredith. And after that came Lisa. All the other outfits, well, I don't like any of them, but all the other outfits were just not appropriate for the venue and the occasion at all.

We Wine Whenever (18:48.147)
The two I like the least.

Kelli (18:53.518)
like Lisa.

We Wine Whenever (19:02.747)
I Heather was in hearts and it was Valentine's day. I liked it. I liked it. So we, we find out that Brittany was dating Jared Osmond, the nephew of Donnie and Marie until the day of the party when they broke up. And in the Mormon culture, dating an Osmond is the equivalent to dating Prince Harry because they're like,

We Wine Whenever (19:21.033)
Mm

We Wine Whenever (19:30.621)
Yeah, so I that written down.

We Wine Whenever (19:32.402)
their Mormon royalty, right? Yeah. Yeah. So they had been dating six or eight months and they broke up 16 times.

Kelli (19:34.082)
Yeah, the Osmonds. Yeah, I mean we knew that.

Kelli (19:43.642)
That's a lot of breaking up.

We Wine Whenever (19:46.13)
a lot of breaking up.

We Wine Whenever (19:46.537)
That's foolishness, that's what that is. I am way too old for that foolishness. Let me tell you something right now. And somebody at her age, dating somebody and breaking up that many times... No.

Kelli (19:49.05)
That's, you know.

We Wine Whenever (19:53.669)
Yes.

Kelli (19:57.922)
Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Like, when I was a teenager, the breaking up was a lot. But yeah, come on.

We Wine Whenever (20:03.31)
Right, right. But as an adult?

Kelli (20:08.366)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:08.421)
And then Heather admits that she's on Ozempic and that it's long overdue for her glow up. You know, okay, it is what it is. Then Mary's talking to Bronwyn and she says that she loves her coat and Bronwyn says, I love yours too because I have the same one. And then we see Brittany come over and sit in between the two of them. listen, I was here for this whole thing too. I could not.

Kelli (20:25.752)
Mmm.

Kelli (20:34.104)
Me too. I would have said the same fucking thing. I would have said the same thing. I love your costume.

We Wine Whenever (20:40.881)
She says, ladies, I'm going to sit down here. I love your costume and the look on Bronwyn's face and Mary's face and Mary's face was.

We Wine Whenever (20:42.459)
Yes!

Kelli (20:49.132)
And Mary's. I thought Mary was going to fall over.

That was amazing. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:55.561)
That was great. That was great.

We Wine Whenever (20:58.132)
And then Mary's trying to explain to her that, you know, this is not a costume. And then she goes on to say, well, I know I grew up poor too. And Mary's like, I didn't grow up poor. What are you saying? And then I put, I used to put bread in my pocket. You put bread in your pocketbook. I mean, it just kept going on. It just kept going on and on.

We Wine Whenever (21:13.885)
That's great.

Kelli (21:17.338)
I hope that's not the last time we see that girl.

We Wine Whenever (21:20.002)
No, I agree. I'm here for her. I really liked her a lot.

Kelli (21:23.022)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (21:23.945)
I like how Mary was in her like confessional, she was making fun of that girl's fur coat. She was saying it's like German shepherds getting dyed burgundy. But now the lady said, now this is what I don't get, because you know I have a lot of vintage fur. She says that, this coat is over 150 years old. Nobody dyed their furs burgundy 150 years. Like what, what are you talking about? was just very odd.

We Wine Whenever (21:30.805)
yeah.

hahahahah

Kelli (21:34.65)
Ha

Kelli (21:47.417)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (21:50.232)
Right.

Kelli (21:50.296)
Right. mean, unless it was that old and it was recently died, you know what I mean? But I know what you're saying.

We Wine Whenever (21:56.194)
Maybe yeah, maybe it was originally she had it died. I was just like

We Wine Whenever (21:58.977)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (22:01.379)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (22:02.991)
So then she says, okay, well tell me about your coat. And she says, well, it's Saint Laurent. And we see the price show up that is $15 ,000. And there are three of them. Rihanna has one, I have one, and there's one in the museum. But meanwhile, like we said, she looks like Gossamer from Bugs Bunny.

Kelli (22:21.87)
Yeah, exactly. It's ridiculous. whatever. You and Rihanna wasted your money, honey.

We Wine Whenever (22:24.059)
Yeah, ridiculous.

Yeah, there you go.

We Wine Whenever (22:27.567)
Well, I bet you Rihanna didn't buy it.

We Wine Whenever (22:30.247)
No.

Yeah.

Kelli (22:33.21)
Good point.

We Wine Whenever (22:33.966)
And then Mary's talking to her about her office as now her closet and all the stuff that she has in there. And that's when she, you know, she says, well, I grew up poor too. And Mary's like, no, no, not me. And then we see three weeks earlier, again, we do a flashback and Heather was at Mary this new rental and she's telling her how she had to have a breast reduction three times.

We Wine Whenever (23:00.519)
This is bizarre. I never heard tell of this whole thing. I never heard tell of this.

We Wine Whenever (23:03.532)
I never have either.

Kelli (23:03.682)
Listen, I'm going to tell you, I have big boobs, as you both know.

We Wine Whenever (23:10.84)
Thank, yes, yes you do.

We Wine Whenever (23:12.851)
We don't know about Europe.

Kelli (23:13.566)
And yes, when I gain weight, they get bigger and when I lose weight, they might go down a little bit. But never have I ever heard of anybody's boobs growing back. I think that's ridiculous.

We Wine Whenever (23:24.891)
No, she said she started with a small C and then grew to a triple D. What? What?

Kelli (23:33.804)
Yeah, I mean, come on.

We Wine Whenever (23:36.137)
It's kooky. I never heard tell this.

Kelli (23:39.396)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (23:40.181)
never heard of that before either. I feel like it's got to be real though. I somebody can fact check this. It's not like we can't. It's not like there's not... I mean I didn't. I didn't... Yeah, it's not like there's not Google. There's not like there's not doctors. Like why would you make that up?

We Wine Whenever (23:42.229)
So I might.

We Wine Whenever (23:49.31)
Google.

Kelli (23:55.202)
I mean, she's basically saying she got it reduced and the breast tissue grew back.

We Wine Whenever (23:59.275)
Yes, that's what she's saying!

Kelli (24:01.166)
I mean, I know when you have a lot of surgeries, you get a lot of scar tissue and the more surgeries you have, the more scar tissue you have. And you know, it's like a, it's like a vicious cycle, but I'm just saying maybe that it's the same thing. I don't know. It sounds a little.

We Wine Whenever (24:05.801)
or scar tissue.

We Wine Whenever (24:07.341)
But she's skinny. She's skinny.

We Wine Whenever (24:15.049)
Yeah, that's odd.

Kelli (24:16.77)
Yeah, I don't believe the word that comes out of Meredith's mouth. Let's put it that way.

We Wine Whenever (24:18.313)
It is odd.

We Wine Whenever (24:24.531)
Then she goes on to say she's trying to figure out where she stands because she felt like in Bermuda, everyone was gunning for her because they really were. I before we found out that it was Monica, they were pretty much blaming everything on Meredith. They were blaming all the rumors on Meredith. They were blaming a lot on Meredith.

Kelli (24:43.95)
Well, I mean, the Angie stuff did come from Meredith. How about that scroll Angie pulled out of all the things she wanted Meredith to apologize to her for?

We Wine Whenever (24:49.236)
my god, that was great.

Yep.

We Wine Whenever (24:54.003)
That was, that was definitely, yeah, but you know what? That was definitely like, it was just too over the top. She just came in like, like a jet engine, like crashing on fire with like her scroll and her, it was just, it was just a little, a little much.

Kelli (24:54.426)
That was amazing.

Kelli (25:09.743)
Yeah.

Kelli (25:13.292)
Yeah, because she's like, I heard you wanted an apology from me. These are the things I need an apology from you for. It was very rehearsed. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (25:20.618)
yeah.

We Wine Whenever (25:22.652)
It was rehearsed, but you know what? I don't like Meredith, so I liked it.

Kelli (25:25.944)
I was fine, was totally fine with it. I was totally fine with it. Yeah. We're good.

We Wine Whenever (25:26.063)
That's fair.

Never makes you happy.

We Wine Whenever (25:33.754)
And then Lisa says that Jack is doing well. He's in Columbia and he's loving it. He's going to all these coffee shops and he DMs her and he's going to Louis Vuitton and Bruno, yeah, and then Bruno says she grew up Mormon and she doesn't know the mission trip that Jack is on because that's no kind of mission trip she knows about. And I kind of agree with her. I mean, I didn't grow up Mormon, but what kind of mission trip is this?

Kelli (25:45.816)
Louis Vuitton, yeah.

Kelli (25:55.534)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (26:00.337)
It's a bougie one. It's a bougie Lisa one. Lisa's kid. That's what it is. Bougie Lisa's kid.

Kelli (26:07.818)
Yeah, yeah, but for real, like, I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (26:11.326)
Yeah, I don't know either. And then Meredith goes up to Whitney at the party and she says, what's up with the bath bombs? And of course Whitney says, what? And she makes her say it again. you mean my bath bombs? She said, listen, I've had them. I had them when you had my line in your store. When he's like, I don't have a problem with you. But whatever reason, Meredith likes to

create something like she did.

Kelli (26:42.842)
And she makes it all about herself and it's like it's this is it's not about you No

We Wine Whenever (26:45.821)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (26:47.042)
yes.

We Wine Whenever (26:49.137)
No, it really wasn't. It wasn't.

Kelli (26:53.154)
And according to Whitney, she had the bath bombs for years.

We Wine Whenever (26:56.145)
Right, which I believe that she did. I mean, why are gonna lie about that?

Kelli (26:58.436)
I believe it too.

We Wine Whenever (27:03.529)
And then you mentioned that.

We Wine Whenever (27:05.691)
think she definitely got her lips done more, Meredith. I feel like they're even bigger than last season.

Kelli (27:13.408)
Meredith's face looked different. I agree with you. Her face looked different, more like sculpted. So maybe it maybe because her lips are more pronounced. Everything else seems. Yes. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (27:20.713)
Mm

Rick, yeah. I don't know what it is.

Kelli (27:30.724)
They all get their shit done on the offseason.

We Wine Whenever (27:34.215)
they do. They definitely do. I mean, I remember that Sonya, like every off season, she would get like a whole like makeover. She'd do a detox, she'd do a tummy tuck, she'd do a face, like she would do everything. And she'd come back like a new Sonya.

Kelli (27:44.408)
Yep. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (27:48.988)
Oof.

We Wine Whenever (27:50.055)
Then we see that, like you said, the scroll where she, you Angie brings out her scroll and

Brittany is talking to Mary in Braunman and she's telling her about her stepson is six months older than she is. And then Whitney mentions that her stepson is a couple years younger than her. But I cannot imagine having a stepson that's older than you. That's weird. That's weird.

We Wine Whenever (28:22.835)
That's just weird, I'm sorry, it's weird. It's weird.

That's weird.

Kelli (28:29.24)
No, that is weird. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (28:32.829)
And you know what's even weirder? It's weirder that you're like making this like your tagline like this is what you're all about it. Like, okay, just like, I don't know. Just to me, it's just weird.

Kelli (28:41.06)
Yeah.

Right.

Kelli (28:47.886)
Yeah, no, I agree.

That's a little much.

We Wine Whenever (28:51.334)
And I 100 % agree. I mean, I like that they own, I like that they own what their situation is, but like that doesn't really define you, right? Like why does that have to be like what we keep hearing? Right. Right. Right. Own your stuff and then move on. Don't let that define you.

Kelli (29:02.724)
Mm

We Wine Whenever (29:04.083)
That's what I'm saying. Yeah, why is that like your story?

Kelli (29:07.395)
Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (29:10.697)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.

Kelli (29:12.025)
Mm -hmm.

We Wine Whenever (29:13.197)
And then Whitney asked Lisa what your problem is with me and a podcast. And Whitney says, what did I say that affected you? And when he says the podcast was two hours long, like what specifically did I say that bothered you? She's like, I said you were a villain and I stand by that. And that's when Lisa went off. And not only did Lisa go off, everyone in the room went off. mean,

Kelli (29:35.022)
Yeah, that was a snowball effect for everybody to just lose their shit. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (29:38.653)
That was exhausting. It was exhausting to watch. was just like, my God, I'm exhausted. I'm exhausted now.

Kelli (29:44.014)
Yeah, you didn't know where to look first.

We Wine Whenever (29:46.616)
Yeah, you didn't know where to look. You didn't know who to listen to. They're all yelling and screaming over each other at each other. Angie was really the only one who had Whitney's back. I mean, Heather was jumping down her, Lisa, Meredith. mean, actually, I don't think Mary said anything. Did Mary say anything? I don't think Mary did.

We Wine Whenever (29:54.003)
Horrible.

Kelli (29:57.21)
Mm -hmm.

Kelli (30:07.286)
No, Mary was talking about how she wasn't gonna eat meat because she didn't want it stuck in her intestines for nine months. I mean, she comes out and it's you think like, the fuck is she talking about? And then and then I find myself thinking, is that true? Because I'm going to be a vegetarian now if it is.

We Wine Whenever (30:11.598)
yeah, that's right. It's so...

We Wine Whenever (30:21.848)
Maybe she's right.

We Wine Whenever (30:22.086)
baby.

We Wine Whenever (30:26.045)
Right. Right. And you know what the best thing is with that whole situation is when they were, you know, when they originally met and they were on the couch with the lady with the heart thing and she was originally telling the story about putting the rolls in her purse. Now, so now Mary gets seated next to her and Mary says in her confessional that she didn't like, she couldn't relax sitting next to her, but that's because Mary is thinking that

We Wine Whenever (30:38.125)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (30:42.359)
Yes.

Kelli (30:42.446)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (30:55.207)
That chick is stealing roles now. Like this is what she does now because Mary's thinking, well, you know what? When she was little, she didn't have a purse. So now, so, so, so when she likes stealing dinner rolls now, this is, this is what's going on in Mary Cosby's mind. It's great.

We Wine Whenever (30:59.883)
you

We Wine Whenever (31:05.187)
Exactly.

Kelli (31:05.72)
Yeah, now she's got purse.

We Wine Whenever (31:10.275)
That's so true. She did say that. Like how could she say when she was little? She didn't have a purse when she was little.

Kelli (31:13.678)
Amazing. Amazing.

We Wine Whenever (31:18.558)
Yes.

Kelli (31:21.315)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (31:21.639)
Yeah, so she said she can relax sitting next to her during, and she said that during her confession, but that's why, because she thinks she's stealing it now.

We Wine Whenever (31:25.347)
You

Kelli (31:27.3)
So good.

So good. Mary, you know what? I I agree with you. I'm glad they brought Mary back because she and well, isn't she divorcing her husband? Didn't we read that?

We Wine Whenever (31:42.74)
She's divorcing her husband, but I don't know like we haven't seen anything about that recently have we?

Kelli (31:47.224)
I know, no.

We Wine Whenever (31:49.245)
Look into that.

We Wine Whenever (31:50.365)
Yeah, look into that.

Kelli (31:50.786)
yeah so maybe like last season i mean the guy was the guy was living in vegas wasn't he her husband so you know maybe she just had shit going on last year and she probably just didn't want to be there but this season i mean so far fantastic

We Wine Whenever (31:58.685)
Yeah, that was something weird.

We Wine Whenever (32:06.323)
Look, Mary is just Mary.

We Wine Whenever (32:11.649)
I'll be honest with you. I don't want to, if it's going to be all this yelling and screaming back and forth, I don't like it. I don't like it. And I also didn't like when Lisa kept saying to Whitney, maybe you're on a different healing journey than I am. Like, and then Whitney's like, you're throwing my trauma in my face.

We Wine Whenever (32:14.61)
I can't take it.

Kelli (32:16.066)
No. Totally agree.

We Wine Whenever (32:32.221)
Yeah, I don't know what was going on there.

Kelli (32:34.196)
What drama is she talking about?

We Wine Whenever (32:35.858)
Well, Whitney did mention that last season in the beginning of the season that the childhood trauma when she was younger that she kind of realized and she doesn't talk to her father anymore that happened to her. Like there's definitely some there's definitely something that she's working through and she let us know that. And I agree with her. Like, why is Lisa throwing that in her face? I really don't get

Kelli (32:41.088)
right.

Kelli (32:51.236)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (33:03.677)
what it is that they're so mad at Whitney for.

Kelli (33:06.778)
I don't either, but...

We Wine Whenever (33:08.585)
don't think it's anything, I think it's a protection thing.

We Wine Whenever (33:08.649)
podcast?

Kelli (33:09.86)
thing is is that if you are on a healing journey and you are trying to repair something that happened to you in your childhood, you're probably not going to throw insults at other people and be be shitty. And Whitney was being shitty. So if you I get what Lisa was saying, I really do. You know, I had a conversation today. I worked with this nice young girl. I think she's in her early thirties at the salon and she's got a little girl and

She's been through some stuff, you know, and she was telling me about something that went on in her life. And she's like, I can't, you you gotta want to help yourself and you can't use something that happened to you 15 years ago as an excuse to like not move on. you, you, yeah, like you have to move on. And yeah, I, I really liked this girl. She's, so sweet. And I thought you're right. Like, so

We Wine Whenever (33:57.663)
For bad behavior. Yeah. Right. Right.

Kelli (34:09.378)
I'm sorry for Whitney that she had that childhood trauma, but if you're really trying to grow and move on from that, you're not going to go on a podcast and shit talk other people and be nasty. I mean, yeah, I mean, that wasn't terrible, but.

We Wine Whenever (34:20.145)
What did she say that was so horrible? She called Lisa a villain. mean, that's what I'm saying. Like, what did she do that was so horrible? And if you had a problem with the podcast, then call her up then. You're going to, you're going to wait and fester about it and start flipping out at her at your party.

Kelli (34:33.102)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (34:39.337)
But listen, that's what she gets paid to do. It's production. That's what she gets paid to do.

Kelli (34:39.928)
you know what if you're gonna... right and if you're gonna go on a podcast and call somebody a villain you can't get mad when they say to you I don't you know something about your healing journey like you're hurling insults at each other don't bring up your you know your trauma because I'm sure Lisa's got trauma too so if you're gonna be shitty to her she's gonna be shitty to you

We Wine Whenever (35:02.717)
But listen.

But it's just nonsense anyway. Why would you go to somebody's event that they invite you to when you know that they're pissed at you? Come on, it's just all made up.

Kelli (35:16.131)
Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (35:18.717)
Well, you have to go because they're filming.

Kelli (35:19.94)
Well, and it's not, it's, it's, you know what it is. She probably could have not gone Whitney, but she's not going to not go. She's not going to let them film without her because then they're all going to be talking, you know, standing around shit talking her. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (35:31.943)
Right, talking shit about it, right.

We Wine Whenever (35:36.25)
I know. I'm glad that they're back. just hope it's not this toxic thing because honestly, after New Jersey and the toxicity that went on there, I don't want to do that again. And even what's going on with the OC and that toxicity, I want fun and family. I want fun and family. I want to laugh. I want to laugh.

Kelli (35:41.7)
Yeah.

Kelli (35:46.586)
Totally agree.

Can't take anymore.

Kelli (35:57.924)
fun. Yes. Yes. Like can we see these girls going on a trip and having a good time? I'm like, I'm tired of it.

We Wine Whenever (36:04.708)
Right, that's what I want. I like that. Like, let's do that. Can we go back to the Trixie Motel? Can we go to Cabo San Lucas? I don't know, do something fun. Right?

Kelli (36:14.574)
Do something. Cause honestly I'm not into it. Like million dollar listing is so good right now. now it's over, but like below deck. Like I'd rather watch that stuff. Cause this is just exhausting with these women.

We Wine Whenever (36:16.861)
Vibrate.

We Wine Whenever (36:22.68)
It's over, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (36:27.347)
Did you see Lisa throwing that drink? Yes.

We Wine Whenever (36:32.092)
my god, that was craziness. I mean, she threw a glass at her own party. Why?

Kelli (36:38.211)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (36:38.279)
And it's so interesting to me, because it started off so good. Like I said, they had this cinematography, they had that whole like narrative in the beginning, that intro about, signing up to a television show, you allow people into your home and your lives. And we share what other people try and hide and then wait for the world's opinion. And we tell our deepest, darkest secrets and we share our marriages and mistakes and the whole circle.

Like it starts out like so cool like that. Then you go into the party with all the fashion, you're like, okay, fun, fun. And then you get into the dinner and you're like, no, I don't know, stop yelling.

Kelli (37:10.137)
Right.

Kelli (37:19.426)
Right, right, right.

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (37:25.139)
So it'll be interesting.

Kelli (37:27.278)
Alright, that's it.

We Wine Whenever (37:29.228)
have nothing else to say about Salt Lake City, so, alright. Until next time, thank you for watching and listening to We Wine Whenever. Please follow us, give us some comments, five star reviews would be great, and we'll see you soon. Bye. Yes.

Kelli (37:32.12)
Me neither.

We Wine Whenever (37:33.341)
Me neither.

We Wine Whenever (37:45.865)
Happy 100. Happy 100.

Kelli (37:45.882)
Bye. Yeah, happy 100.