RHONY S16 E7: Sai vs. Erin — The Marriage Rumor Showdown!

Wendy (00:01.712)
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Kelli (00:04.822)
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Lori (00:05.692)
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Wendy (00:07.298)
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Kelli (00:45.198)
Mm.

Kelli (00:56.738)
Yes.

Kelli (01:00.738)
We really, really do.

Lori (01:01.201)
Yes, yes we do.

Wendy (01:03.62)
So this is season sixteen, episode number seven, Loveless Island. We pick up with night two. the ladies are getting ready for dinner. Cy calls Haley be to help her with her ice on her knee because you know she had that injury during the day when they were playing that that wine racquetball thing, whatever. Yeah. yes, that's it. Tipsy tennis. Yeah. and the medics told her.

Lori (01:24.433)
Tennis, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tipsy tennis.

Kelli (01:27.352)
Tipsy Tennis. I couldn't think of the name either. Yeah, Tipsy Tennis.

Wendy (01:33.186)
Or whoever it is that looked at her, the doctor or whoever told it she wasn't allowed to have alcohol tonight with dinner, which is gonna be tough with these ladies. so Haley comes in to help her and she's trying to figure out how to get the ice on and she's like, Maybe we just strap it on and you know, Haley being Haley can always turn something into a sexual innuendo, even if it's about ice.

Kelli (01:40.525)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:52.108)
Yeah. Yeah. Way better than Brynn ever could, that's for sure.

Lori (01:52.262)
Absolutely.

Lori (01:56.891)
Yes, absolutely.

Wendy (01:57.753)
def definitely. And she is vaping and so I asks her if she's vaping and I I think doesn't she say no? She says no.

Lori (02:06.321)
Yeah.

Kelli (02:07.182)
So there's a difference between a vape and a cart. Vape is nicotine and cart is marijuana. So I mean she had a she actually had a pen, which is marijuana. Yeah. So she wasn't lying when she said, No, I'm not vaping.

Wendy (02:13.04)
Lori (02:16.305)
Right, which is marijuana.

Wendy (02:18.062)
But it's not the same.

Okay. So I had I did not know that. I didn't I thought vaping whether it was okay. You learn something new every day.

Kelli (02:23.926)
Technically she wasn't lying.

Kelli (02:31.534)
I mean, it's still a vaporizer, so yeah, but vape typically is referred to nicotine.

Wendy (02:34.243)
Mm.

Lori (02:39.143)
Nicotine,

Kelli (02:41.038)
How about Daisy yelling about the roach?

Wendy (02:41.05)
The next thing we see Roach, right. I mean she's

Lori (02:43.389)
She's just, you know what? She's an asshole. It's not a roach. It's a tropical island. There are bugs. There are bugs. There's bugs.

Kelli (02:45.73)
Well you're on an island where windows are open, doors are open, you're on an island. There's bugs. Exactly.

Wendy (02:53.124)
Yeah. It was probably some kind of beetle. It was probably some kind of beetle. Exactly.

Lori (02:56.047)
It's just a little water bug. was so rude and stupid. I girl, just stop it.

Kelli (03:03.746)
Did you guys notice Carol's makeup when they were y

Wendy (03:07.182)
Yes, well I mean Daisy said she looked like a stripper or a hooker.

Lori (03:12.827)
It was horrible, I don't know what her outfit was.

Kelli (03:14.272)
It was so bad and I'm thinking, did Daisy do that?

Lori (03:18.084)
I certainly hope not.

Kelli (03:20.386)
Not too.

Lori (03:21.349)
I don't know. Yeah. I don't know what I had. Yeah.

Wendy (03:23.108)
Yeah, stripper. She said her makeup and her hair, she said it was, you know, looks like a stripper. Like but the stripper look is in, she said. I don't think the stripper look is in.

Kelli (03:33.038)
I don't no. I mean, it's in at the strip club.

Lori (03:33.168)
No.

At strip club. think it was all like a nod to the whole sigh conversation that is to come later.

Wendy (03:37.432)
Yeah.

Wendy (03:43.055)
Hm, could be. So they're all talking about how hungry they all are and they're all like gathering around a bag of chips, like all eating these chips. It's like because every time there's a meal the ladies start fighting and no one actually ever eats anything, which that's on you, ladies. You gotta get your priority straight.

Kelli (03:43.222)
Mm.

Kelli (03:58.167)
Right. Exactly. Exactly.

Lori (03:59.732)
Yeah. Carol says every time there's a male, you all start fighting like animals.

Wendy (04:05.046)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Erin says what happened earlier today really rubbed her the wrong way. She said she's not said a word about Jessel's husband in over three effing years. Not that she hasn't said a word about Jessel's husband, but it hasn't been in three effing years. I didn't know that there was this

Kelli (04:20.194)
Right. Right. So does that mean that season one was filmed three years ago? 'Cause that's when she was saying what she was saying. No.

Wendy (04:28.428)
Yeah, it was. It was filmed three years ago.

Lori (04:28.903)
I guess so, yeah. And I don't know why for some reason the way Sai brought it up, I don't know why in my mind I was thinking this is something recent that Erin said, but it wasn't. It's an old thing from when they were beefing. Right.

Kelli (04:43.394)
Well, she said she said it at BravoCon. Which was no last which was a year ago this time. Yeah. They do it every two years and it's in November.

Lori (04:50.473)
that's only a year, okay.

Wendy (04:52.888)
It was in November. Yeah. And

Kelli (04:57.282)
Somebody's lying.

Wendy (04:59.652)
Well, you know what? I mean, I I think we'll get to it at the end. I think we would we'll we'll get to it at the end. So Erin in her confessional says that Cy is exposing something that she told her in confidence over three years ago. And she's also I know. Well that's well that's the whole thing. that's it. That's it. That's and that's what's gonna come out at the end when her and Cy sit down and have their conversation. I mean, we want we can talk about it now because

Kelli (05:05.85)
right.

Lori (05:13.213)
But no, because you told them front of the makeup artist, that's not in confidence.

Right?

Lori (05:26.995)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (05:29.028)
That's what happens is, you know, Aaron Aaron says to Cy, you know, I really I'd like to sit down and talk to you, so they go and sit down. And Aaron kind of starts out with, Let me skip to the end. You know, we

Let's see. She said, at the they meet at the Aaron said, obviously it was real intense the other day, and I've been racking my mind, like, who would I have told about you? And she's like, so I I I reached out to my makeup artist and my makeup artist said, Listen, we had a conversation about it, but she her the makeup artist told Aaron about it, not the other way around. But Aaron said, you know.

Lori (06:10.545)
Right, right.

Wendy (06:14.51)
You don't like what I'm doing, you can always come talk to me about it. I'm an open book, but Sai's like, listen, if you're gonna do this with Jessel, who's to say you're not gonna do this with me? And yes, you did say this to me three years ago in confidence, but then when we were at BravoCon in front of my makeup artist, you said it in public. And there was other people that heard it. So now I'm questioning it. And if it gets back to Jessel, like

Lori (06:33.831)
We brought it up again, right, right, right.

Right.

Wendy (06:42.408)
Who what kind of friend am I if I don't let her know that I was there when this has been said, out in public?

Kelli (06:47.384)
Right. Right.

Lori (06:48.943)
except for you waited a whole nother year when it was convenient for you to bring it to Jasso's attention.

Wendy (06:54.51)
Well, I don't think so. I mean, listen, I think that if somebody tells you something in confidence, I think you should keep it in confidence. Unless they say it in front of other people. Right?

Lori (07:09.265)
Right, my point is, yes, so then Erin said that in front of other people, but that was a whole year ago. Like, Saia's sat on it until it was good for her to bring it out.

Wendy (07:20.376)
Well, she brought it out she brought it out because it now is when it came out that Erin is the one who told Jenna Lyons about at least that's her her side of it. Because Jenna Lyons

Kelli (07:21.486)
She did hold on to it.

Lori (07:23.187)
you did.

Lori (07:36.477)
Well, right.

Kelli (07:36.686)
I'll be honest with you, I think Sy had already told Jessel. I think Jessel's reaction was s from someone who already knew what this despicable thing was.

Wendy (07:47.93)
I don't think Jessel was surprised either. I don't think she was surprised either. But

Kelli (07:49.901)
No. I don't like the fact that Carol was like, I heard this rumor three years ago. Carol, they had just moved like Jessel we know Jessel and Pavet moved to New York to be on this show. It's not like they were lifers in New York. You didn't know them. You didn't run in the same circles. So shut up. Like I I'm not digging Carol really.

Wendy (08:06.637)
Mm.

Lori (08:06.984)
Right.

Lori (08:10.578)
Right.

Lori (08:14.929)
Now what was Aaron's bandana outfit?

Wendy (08:19.692)
It was just a

Kelli (08:20.118)
I don't ever understand anything Aaron wears.

Lori (08:20.915)
What was that? I was like, girl, what in the hell do you have on?

Kelli (08:27.85)
Is this the night of the J Lo dress? Yeah. I was

Lori (08:30.748)
Yeah.

Wendy (08:31.278)
Yeah, she had on a black she had on a black tube top dress w and she threw a bandana on it.

Lori (08:37.585)
and then she had some weird little pocketbook made up of different color bandanas. I'm like, what? What?

Kelli (08:44.108)
I don't I don't understand anything Aaron wears. I thought Jessel looked amazing this night and I thought Erica looked amazing this night and I felt so bad for Sy when she was walking across those slippery rocks to get to the other side of that.

Wendy (08:47.161)
Yeah.

Lori (09:00.103)
Yeah.

Wendy (09:00.964)
That's actually the next thing I had until we went off on the errand tangent is like poor poor Cy trying to even get outside to dinner was like a feat in itself, right?

Kelli (09:04.132)
my gosh.

Lori (09:07.379)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (09:08.01)
Yes.

Wendy (09:12.42)
Kelli (09:15.916)
Yeah, but the when the so at the end of that conversation they basically start yelling at each other and Erin runs away. She always runs away. And to me, that screams guilt.

Wendy (09:15.972)
Let's see.

Lori (09:22.813)
She runs away. She does always run.

Wendy (09:32.452)
How about when Erica's trying to come outside?

Lori (09:32.751)
And why we're on outfits, real quick, real quick, I just have to bring this up. Size, confessional dress.

Wendy (09:43.219)
the silver thing?

Kelli (09:44.365)
my gosh.

Lori (09:44.883)
It's like a car part. was like, why is there a car part? Why is there like a piece of vent? Like why is there a rim to a tire?

Wendy (09:48.32)
That's a very good point. I was like, Yeah. It's like a yeah.

Kelli (09:52.217)
Well, it's so funny because I saw her one of her Instagram posts was during that confessional and she had sweatpants on from the waist down in that. Yeah. But I that that's funny. It did look like a car park.

Lori (10:02.228)
that's so funny. That's great.

Wendy (10:04.89)
That is great.

Yeah, that's the perfect way to describe it. how about when Erica's trying to come out to meet them and her dress, the J Lo dress, gets stuck on a cactus? I know the rented J Lo dress. Listen, I think that's so great that she does that. I mean, when else is she gonna wear that dress?

Lori (10:16.659)
Yeah, it's just like, shit. Yeah.

Kelli (10:17.078)
And she rented it. So like if she ripped that Ay. Yep. Yep.

Lori (10:27.795)
What else you gonna do with it?

Kelli (10:28.212)
Exactly. Exactly.

Wendy (10:31.62)
and and how how about how Carol shows up for dinner?

Kelli (10:38.882)
my gosh.

Wendy (10:41.626)
She's taking casual to a whole new level.

Kelli (10:41.966)
I mean, she's really taken casual to a whole new level. I mean, she looked like a a grumpy old man when they went to the beach the next day.

Lori (10:44.017)
Yes, she is.

Lori (10:51.379)
Yeah. And I liked how Daisy finally had something nice to say about the dinner. I was like, I'm so glad that you liked the dinner, Daisy.

Kelli (11:00.034)
Yeah, well, temporarily 'cause then she says something stupid the next night for dinner.

Lori (11:05.157)
And you know what else I noticed? There's an overuse of the word despicable.

Kelli (11:12.473)
interesting.

Lori (11:13.277)
past two episodes. Like, I've heard it like five times, like get a new word. Stop with the despicable.

Kelli (11:19.4)
I've only noticed Sy saying it about things that Erin has said about other people, but now I'm gonna have to pay attention.

Lori (11:25.777)
No, because Erin said it too. When she went up to talk to Jessel and Cy, I was like, you know, yeah. Or me when I say, listen, listen.

Wendy (11:25.91)
Aaron has said it too. Yeah.

Kelli (11:28.437)
Interesting.

Kelli (11:33.75)
It's like us with our y knows. And Lori with her listen.

Wendy (11:36.677)
my gosh, are you nose?

Lori (11:43.077)
Yes. Yep, but here's...

Kelli (11:43.476)
Or but here's the thing.

Wendy (11:45.603)
Okay. So when I edit these guys, I do try and take out all the you knows. And sometimes I take out the likes, but sometimes I'm just like, you know what? This is who we are. You know, like this is who we are. How about Haley talking about how sh during the night, because now it's the next morning, she didn't want to wake up poor Psy because of her knee and she had to go to the bathroom and she'd have to go through her room to go to the bathroom. So she decided to pee in a cup.

Lori (11:55.059)
Noooo

Kelli (11:55.199)
Exactly.

Wendy (12:14.872)
And then she rinsed out the cup and let us know that somebody, not naming names, may have drank out of that cup.

Lori (12:21.203)
It must have been Sy because it was in their room.

Wendy (12:24.27)
I mean, who else would have drank out of it?

Kelli (12:24.802)
They kind w w it look almost looked like Carol or Erin though. The n no no no. It was when they showed it the next morning it was Haley. Yeah, it had to be Cy. They're sharing a room.

Lori (12:34.789)
It had to be side, because, you know.

Wendy (12:38.124)
I don't know. This poor girl, Haley, she needs to just get it together.

Lori (12:42.173)
But I did love how they put this little bit of jungle music in the background. Did you notice it? I liked it.

Kelli (12:47.192)
Mm.

Wendy (12:51.28)
I don't know if you noticed this either. So Carol goes outside and she's talking to Erica, and once again, she is mentioning how beautiful this place is. Carol cannot stop gushing about this place to Erica, which I I don't know if it's performative. I think she really appreciates it because I feel like the other ladies do not appreciate it.

Kelli (12:59.874)
Yes.

Lori (13:10.439)
Do not, which is wild.

Kelli (13:12.355)
I think she totally appreciates it.

Wendy (13:15.308)
I hope that that's I hope that that's the case. And I'm glad to hear it because like we said, the other women are they're ridiculous about it.

Lori (13:19.783)
You should!

Kelli (13:22.766)
I mean just Daisy and Aaron, let's face it.

Lori (13:23.091)
They're rude.

Wendy (13:26.956)
Especially Daisy Daisy goes like next level on everything.

Kelli (13:28.638)
Exactly. She is so like she just I'll say it again, hitched her cart to the wrong horse. She is up Erin's ass. And I haven't watched any of the after shows, but they're together in the after show, aren't they?

Lori (13:28.657)
Yeah, she's just so rude.

Wendy (13:45.328)
I haven't either. I have no idea.

Lori (13:48.243)
Let me think, because I watched it. Let me think, let me think, let think.

Kelli (13:50.2)
She's not with Sai, who's her friend, who brought her on the show.

Lori (13:53.818)
No, she's not. is with Aaron and I think Hailey. I think. Yes, I believe so. Yes.

Wendy (13:55.064)
I would imagine size with Jessel.

Kelli (13:59.481)
Jessel, Cy and Haley are together, right? And and Erin and yeah. And who's Erica with? Erica's with Carol, isn't she?

Lori (14:07.985)
I think Erica's by herself. Erica's by herself.

Kelli (14:10.37)
Well that's interesting.

Lori (14:15.163)
Yep, she's by herself.

Wendy (14:15.204)
You know what sometimes t sometimes they're by themselves because of scheduling.

Kelli (14:19.627)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (14:19.705)
Yeah, scheduling. Yeah.

Wendy (14:22.248)
so Carol's talking to Erica the next morning about how these ladies, like they can just go from zero to a hundred and they're yelling and screaming at each other and then, you know, an hour later they're all dancing the night away and they show us them dancing and Erin pulls her top down and flashes them.

Kelli (14:36.823)
Yeah, but

Kelli (14:40.632)
Carol was on the show with Luann, Ramona, Dorinda, Bethany. Yes, you do understand. These chicks are mild compared to those women.

Wendy (14:43.96)
Yes. Yes.

Lori (14:52.541)
Right.

Mm-hmm.

Kelli (14:56.812)
They were out of their minds. By the way, I watched The Golden Life. Not as bad as I thought it would be. Sonia needs to Sonia needs to get help. Sonia has very serious mental health issues. And I don't know if it's alcohol induced or not, but she's not okay from from my perspective.

Lori (15:02.851)
you did? I didn't watch you yet.

Lori (15:09.393)
Yeah, I would most of.

Wendy (15:13.464)
Wendy (15:20.504)
I'm sure I'm sure alcohol isn't helping it and that's gonna make it hard to watch. 'Cause nobody wants to watch that.

Lori (15:22.235)
said.

Kelli (15:26.102)
And she says she hasn't drank in six months. And then of course Harry Dubin's in it. He's like a another cast member. And he says she's at the bar every night. So I I'm I mean, she Sony needs help. But it's not as bad as I thought. It's not as performative as I thought it would be. Yeah. Sidebar. Sorry.

Lori (15:26.515)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (15:36.376)
Mm.

Wendy (15:47.93)
So Carol's filling in Erica about how Cy was questioning her about the Epstein files and

Lori (15:54.312)
Did you catch how she said, Sy brought up the Epstein files? No, no, no, no, no, Carol. You brought up the Epstein files. was like, wait, wait, wait, wait. It was like the records crash.

Kelli (15:59.533)
Yes.

Kelli (16:04.14)
Yes. Yes.

Wendy (16:04.484)
That's right.

Wendy (16:09.656)
Yeah, but yeah, but then she has to go on to say, Listen, I don't judge her. I read her substack. Well this actually sounds to me like you are judging her. And she wrote about her daddy warbucks experience where some guy gave her ten thousand dollars just to sit with him. Okay, that is

Lori (16:25.779)
Well, I thought that, see, I kind of took it the other way. I thought she was just saying like, look, there's some stuff in her past and, but I'm not going to accuse her of anything. And I don't feel like she was like, I saw some people in line and they were like all jacked up. Why is she trying to compare the two? I don't think she was comparing the two. I was just think that she was just saying like,

Look, there's stuff out there about her, but I'm not accusing her. Yeah, maybe. Am I curious about things about her? But I'm not gonna accuse her. See, I think that's the difference. There's difference between...

Kelli (17:02.338)
Well, you can't compare the two because one is international news and one is criminal activity. And the other one is not. So you can't compare the two.

Wendy (17:03.832)
No, no, no, no.

Wendy (17:10.67)
Yes, but the sub

Lori (17:10.939)
Right, it's, but it's, right, right, but there's a difference between being curious and questioning somebody about something and being.

like accusing somebody. There's a difference. It's how you say it. There's no getting around it.

Wendy (17:29.07)
Yeah, but there's

Kelli (17:29.742)
I don't think Sai was accusing her of anything. I really don't.

Wendy (17:33.169)
Cy was asking her questions. And the biggest difference right here, listen to this. Substack is what Cy was putting out there. Substack is where you put what's going on. So this was Cy's story that she put out there. So if Carol has questions about it, it would make sense for her to ask her questions about it. What she does later on ask her. It's not like what Cy did with Carol. Carol started talking about the Epstein.

And then Cy started asking the questions. It she didn't just accuse her of anything. Carol started talking about it. She asked her questions. The sub stack, Cy put it out there. Carol read it, has questions about it, mentions it to Erica, and then later does ask the questions to Cy. So they're they're completely different things. They're completely different things.

Kelli (18:07.555)
Right.

Lori (18:26.415)
I just think there's a lot to be said about tone. And I said this last time, how I felt about how Sai went about talking. It's all about tone. You can ask the same question in two different tones and it's two different things. That's all.

Kelli (18:35.458)
Yeah. How how she

Kelli (18:46.028)
Yeah. I think Cy has one speed. You know what I mean?

Lori (18:49.895)
Yes, pedal to the metal, that's it.

Wendy (18:51.098)
Yeah, but listen, I do well listen, I think that I think you're both right with that. And she kind Sai kind of admits to it when she does, when Carol does ask her the question and she says, like, this guy was like this Ponzi scheme guy. And Carol's like, Yeah. She's like, Yeah, like I didn't know. And then she apologized. Like when you point it out to her, she will own it. And, you know, but this is who she is. Like she's something you're talking about something, she's got questions about it. She's gonna ask you the questions.

Kelli (18:59.693)
Yeah.

Lori (19:00.327)
Okay.

Kelli (19:10.595)
Right.

Wendy (19:19.758)
Although I do think she did push it a little bit when she said, Are you sure you never went to that island?

Lori (19:23.469)
Yeah, think she's trying to piss her off. Yeah, I think she's trying to piss her off, though.

Kelli (19:23.949)
my gosh. Like l all right, we gotta let it go now. We gotta let it go.

I think she was trying to piss her off.

Lori (19:31.57)
And how about Haley talking about that her and Reuben have two yachts? was like, girl, no, you got two boats and a sailboat. They're not yachts. They were not yachts. Neither boat was yacht. And I was like, I mean, I have no boats. So, okay. Not even a rowboat. Well, I do have a little sailfish, but it sat in my yard for 10 years, but they were not yachts.

Wendy (19:41.134)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, once a yeah.

Wendy (19:49.05)
So then

Kelli (19:50.466)
Right. Right.

Kelli (19:58.136)
Yeah.

Wendy (20:03.152)
So they're going to the beach, you know, the next day they're all getting ready to go to the beach, and they get to the beach, and they have all these water sport activities. There's paddle boarding, there's the hobie cat sailing, and there's a sea bob. Like you said, Haley loves to sail. Carol is doing the seabob. my gosh, the footage of her with the water splashing in her face. I look like the poor woman was drowning.

Kelli (20:26.058)
All the while. All the while Haley's like, this is so beautiful. This is so fun. Every time Haley said something so positive, they would show Carol just getting fucking blasted with the wall. And Haley's like, This is amazing. It's the best trip ever.

Lori (20:27.901)
Yes.

Wendy (20:36.368)
It was like she was being water bordered with her own sea bob.

Lori (20:36.529)
In the face, yeah.

You were there on the scene, Bob, yeah.

Wendy (20:45.68)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (20:46.577)
And then she gets stuck on a sandbar. I don't know why she just couldn't stand up herself. There's no water there. Like, what are you, what are guys saying? Okay, the thing's stuck, the guy can come help you, but why can't you just stand up? Like there's three inches of water. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (20:49.388)
Yes.

Wendy (20:52.029)
I don't know.

Kelli (20:53.089)
I'm stuck.

Kelli (20:58.381)
Just get up.

Wendy (20:59.706)
I think she'd had enough. I think listen, I think at that point, like I said, she'd had enough. And that's when she goes to talk to Cy because you know Cy's on the beach 'cause she couldn't do those sports. and like I said, this is when Cy apologizes. You know, she taked ownership, she apologized. I did too. I did too.

Kelli (21:04.962)
Yes.

Lori (21:16.465)
Yeah, I thought that was nice.

Wendy (21:22.916)
So they clear everything up, Erica comes in and she's like, Is you know, is everything good? She's like, Yeah, like everything's good and then they start to talk about size divorce, and that Aaron texted her makeup artist to see if she possibly told her.

Erica told Cy this. Is that what happened? 'Cause Cy knew about the makeup artist before Aaron told her.

Kelli (21:53.583)
Erica says to Erin, Are you okay? And Erin said her makeup bars came to her house. He said something to her about size divorce. And she thinks maybe he said something to Jenna. So she texts him and he says Erin did not tell him.

Wendy (22:00.602)
Wendy (22:03.856)
Okay. Okay.

Okay, so that's okay, that's what she references to later when she's talking to Cy about the makeup artists. And that was a conversation between Aaron and Erica. I know, sometimes it gets very confusing. then they're talking about they all go to the beach for lunch, and of course they're all starving again. And

Lori (22:14.194)
Yes.

Kelli (22:20.884)
No, I know, I know. Absolutely.

Lori (22:21.373)
it does.

Wendy (22:35.266)
Erica says vacations where she thrives. And they were talking about how great her body was, you know, because she's the instructor. And they asked if she was still doing classes. Carol asked, Are you still doing classes? And she's like, Yeah, actually, that's a great place to go if you want to meet like a a hot guy, like hot single guys, go to the gym. as a matter of fact, she met her husband there. That's how she met her husband. Right.

Kelli (22:55.16)
She did meet her husband there, yeah. So if you want to go meet a hot young billionaire, go to Erica's class. Cause he is good looking. And he seems like very cool. They just seem like a very cool couple to hang out with.

Lori (22:56.307)
Right, right.

Lori (23:02.163)
Yeah, go to the gym. Yeah.

Wendy (23:06.582)
Yeah, yeah.

Lori (23:10.577)
Yes, they do. They do seem very

Wendy (23:11.748)
They definitely do. They do. then Carol asks Daisy to pass her the salts, and Daisy said, you're you're a salter. Like y you know, even at my house you asked for the salts. Sh sh

Kelli (23:19.02)
Holy cow.

Lori (23:23.763)
She sure is a salt herb, man. I was like, girl, you got a problem there. I don't know what you're doing. That's a lot of salt.

Kelli (23:29.272)
He loaded that up with salt.

Wendy (23:32.688)
Mm.

Lori (23:33.831)
And I'm sure that was like delicious, high end, very nice food that was probably just like delicious in its natural form, you know?

Kelli (23:44.534)
That's what I mean, when you have a private chef, you're not supposed to ask for s it's very insulting. If you come to my house and you want some salt, okay.

Lori (23:54.568)
Right. But not at a kabillion dollar island with a kabillion dollar chef and like the freshest of food. Yeah.

Kelli (23:59.809)
No. I even thought it was rude at the Seder dinner. Never mind this.

Wendy (23:59.887)
And and by the way.

Yeah. And well well Daisy wasn't letting it go. And you know, we do watch her put the salt on and I wrote down it was an excessive amount of salt she put on that food. Yeah. She did. She did. I have a friend who likes to salt everything before they taste it. And when I go out with that friend, sometimes I take the salt away from them and I make them taste it. 'Cause salt is not good for you. And they get they get mad at me, but I do it anyway. Yes, they get mad at me, but I do it anyway. Only 'cause I love them.

Lori (24:12.295)
Very excessive. Yeah, she did.

Kelli (24:12.302)
She went to town with that song.

Kelli (24:24.886)
No, it's horrible. Especially if you have high blood pressure.

Lori (24:25.149)
No! No!

Lori (24:30.163)
I mean, high quality salt is very good for you, but in a smaller amount. No, no, no.

Wendy (24:32.346)
Yeah.

Kelli (24:35.8)
Well the Celtic salt's supposed to be good, right? Right. You still can't go crazy with it. I have the we have the Celtic salt.

Wendy (24:36.122)
This is bar salt. Right. Right. Right.

Wendy (24:47.14)
so then they ask Daisy about her relationship with Martha. You know, we find out that she's been working her for her for 17 years. She calls her her fairy godmother. Carol asks about her makeup, and you know, she always looks flawless. And Daisy said, The number one question I get asked is about her nude lipstick, and it's just like me mixing 16 colors together. Okay, you're not mixing 16 colors together. You're just not you're she's just gatekeeping.

Lori (25:12.179)
She should, she should, right, she should make a lipstick and call it Martha's color. Absolutely, she should. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (25:16.162)
Might be

Wendy (25:18.04)
And call it Martha Scutter.

Kelli (25:20.504)
She should, because I'll buy it. Cause you know my ears perked right up when she started talking about that. But she probably does mix a few, but not sixteen for crying out loud. But I do that all I mix lipsticks all the time. And you know, she's the professional, so she knows skin tones and what's the undertone and all that. So she probably mixes a few, but sixteen might be excessive. She should definitely do a nude lipstick and call it Martha.

Wendy (25:24.771)
Yeah.

Lori (25:29.029)
Right. No.

Wendy (25:31.009)
Right. Right.

Lori (25:39.495)
Right. I know that.

Wendy (25:41.466)
Yeah.

Lori (25:44.593)
But she should market her own lipstick if she was smart.

Wendy (25:49.996)
Yes. She should do a whole line. She should do a whole line.

Lori (25:50.439)
Martha's color.

if she was smart.

Kelli (25:54.615)
I don't know about that because these people you know, this was that was like a big trend and then everybody started doing it. But that one that would sell. But I don't know how you just do one lipstick. What she should do is try to partner with Mac or Urban Decay. Urban Decay has a lot of good nudes. that's what she should do. And get a piece of the pie and call it Martha.

Wendy (26:21.272)
Yeah. Then Haley yawns while Daisy is telling the story and of course, you know, they are insulted by that, you know

Kelli (26:32.014)
She smokes weed all day. What do you think is gonna happen?

Lori (26:34.067)
Come on down the Sun had a drink. She had a hit she's like

Kelli (26:37.012)
Exactly.

Wendy (26:41.828)
So they ask her what she does for a living. Where does her they were like honestly, they were like rapid fire questions. Where does your money come from? And she's like, my hard work and manifestation. I was like, Stop. Just stop. She did not answer a single question.

Lori (26:54.205)
She definitely dodged though, she dodged and dodged and dodged. Dodged.

Kelli (26:54.264)
I it's so

Kelli (26:58.508)
Listen, she's married to a gay man who does very well for himself. And that's where she gets her money. What's so hard to figure out? You think she's gonna actually say that on national television? She's not, you knuckleheads. She's

Wendy (27:12.388)
I think she did when she said she had a lavender marriage.

Kelli (27:16.526)
I mean i i i that's what I mean, like exactly. Exactly.

Wendy (27:17.336)
I mean, that is the definition of a lavender marriage right there. Right?

Wendy (27:26.148)
Erin asks her if she has a trust fund. I think it's so rich for Erin to be asking these questions, especially when we know that like Erin's Hampton house originally came from her in-laws. Yes. Yes.

Kelli (27:39.641)
Did it? I didn't know that. I assumed it was an inherited home because they don't own in New York. So to me, like why would you buy a summer home before you bought a primary home? But I assumed it came from somewhere. I didn't realize it came from her in laws.

Lori (27:41.459)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (27:55.611)
It's somewhere in the primary home, right?

Wendy (28:02.33)
Yeah.

Then they were like, Well, how do you afford Gucci? And she's like, Well, Gucci's not that expensive. And then like you're acting like New York, you know, is such an expensive place to live. And they're like, It is. Like you have two apartments in New York. And then they're joking about her car. She's like, I only have an Audi. I'm like, everything she's naming.

Lori (28:27.869)
She was like, my watch is more than the Gucci. And we're like, what?

Wendy (28:30.21)
Yes, right, right. So we find out that Ruben has a store called Vineyard Time in Martha's Vineyard and he sells vintage Rolexes and Pateks.

Kelli (28:41.72)
So is that where he lives up there, I guess?

Wendy (28:44.694)
And he's got a place in New York as well.

Lori (28:44.819)
Who knows?

Wendy (28:49.488)
then Carol says, speaking of watches, I'm going back to New York to finish a piece about a Cartier tank watch that three women were in possession of this watch and all three of them were widowed in their thirties. Jess was like, Well, how do you hear about this? And Carol said, Well, no, it it happened to me. Okay. Carol's such a long storyteller. She is such a long storyteller.

Lori (29:16.403)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (29:16.453)
my gosh.

Wendy (29:21.368)
So

Kelli (29:21.482)
It makes me not want to read anything she ever writes, although I kinda am interested in this because it was she, Jackie Kennedy, who was the third one. It had to be a family member.

Lori (29:24.711)
Right kids.

Wendy (29:33.52)
I think she was the third one. No. so where did Jackie Kennedy get it from? Jackie Kennedy probably got it from, I would imagine, her mother.

Lori (29:33.957)
I don't know. never got to find out.

Kelli (29:35.798)
Right, but that's what I'm saying. Who was it was Jackie Kennedy

Lori (29:46.213)
So maybe it was her mother, Jackie Kennedy, and then Carol.

Kelli (29:50.678)
Or somebody on the Kennedy side.

Lori (29:53.011)
I don't know.

Wendy (29:54.979)
Yeah.

Lori (29:55.444)
But then she tells, gets into the whole convoluted thing about Kim Kardashian, and Kim tried to call up and return and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Kelli (30:04.206)
Yeah, it was a it was long.

Wendy (30:04.548)
But these l but listen, I honestly I thought it was an interesting story.

Kelli (30:09.666)
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I would like to read it. I I d I don't want to hear about it dragged out on Real Housewives of New York.

Lori (30:09.782)
it is an interesting story.

Lori (30:14.897)
Right, right, right.

Wendy (30:16.442)
But like these women were so short with her about it, which I thought they're I d I don't know if it was as l like, was it as long as they were making it sound?

Lori (30:20.337)
They were a little.

Lori (30:25.937)
Yeah, sometimes the editing and the production, but who knows?

Kelli (30:25.952)
It had to be longer. But it had to be even longer if they were like, come on, fit like land the plane for crying out loud.

Lori (30:35.154)
I don't know.

Wendy (30:35.438)
Yeah.

let's see. So then the ladies are complaining that yeah, the story takes too long. They get up and walk away while she's still sell she's still telling it. Like they don't even know. Yeah, they don't even know about the town. You know, she sees a blurb in town and country and she contacts Cartier to see, and it turns out that they bought it back. Okay.

Kelli (30:47.726)
You're still telling it.

Wendy (31:00.452)
Then the ladies are all and they honestly they were just going back to hang out at the pool. It's not like they were going back to eat. They were eating then. Like they were done eating and they were going back to hang out at the pool. Maybe it was hot though. I it was probably hot.

Kelli (31:10.442)
I I th I think the story just went on too long and we only saw a a bit of it.

Wendy (31:13.366)
That could be too. So they go back to hang out at the pool.

Kelli (31:20.142)
I like that D Cy asked for a Hugo Spritz. That's what Tessie Poo drinks. I'm like, that's the only other person I've ever heard talk about one of those.

Wendy (31:25.337)
I y yeah.

Lori (31:29.523)
talk about it.

Wendy (31:30.734)
And she said it felt good to be behind the bar, but she was a little rusty. they're talking about like what was going on with Haley and Sai's like, I'm trying to be the person who doesn't judge her. And Daisy's like, but she can't get her story right. I'm thinking to myself, Daisy, neither can you. Like I mean. then they're, you know, talking about the the wedding and Cy asked for wedding photos and

Kelli (31:48.458)
Exactly. Exactly.

Wendy (31:59.215)
You know, w we're gonna hear about this again. We I mean we already know that there's it's not true. We already know that. She's most likely not married. Most likely people don't really care. Most most likely she'll be back next season and come up with a whole new story.

Kelli (32:00.975)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (32:12.628)
She'll if this show comes back, Haley's coming back. There's no doubt my unless she chooses not to because she's being exposed. Her lies are being exposed. So she might bag out. But Bravo's gonna want this chick on their show.

Wendy (32:17.614)
Yeah.

Lori (32:21.437)
Right.

Lori (32:27.763)
So I kind of googled, because I was thinking, who could this daddy warbucks be?

Wendy (32:34.862)
I mean the the Yeah, Bernie Madoff.

Kelli (32:35.024)
with sigh.

Lori (32:36.005)
Yeah. it's supposedly, no, supposedly this guy, James Nicholson, he was a former president and founder of Westgate Capital Management because he fits the exact dollar amount. He was, yeah, he was caught in a 133 million Ponzi scheme. And then the timeline and the age match for him.

And then.

you know, he worked in trading currency and then he was from New York. So, and he also, but he went to 40 years in federal prison.

Wendy (33:19.664)
That's usually what happens. You usually get caught, these Ponzi scheme guys.

Lori (33:23.761)
And I don't know, what do you think? You think I was just totally platonic with him?

Kelli (33:29.23)
She worked at scores. So exactly. She and I'm sure she probably gave him a lap dance. You know what I mean? He was probably throwing scores. That's that's the shit that happened. Now I'm thinking, did they work there when d did you guys ever see the movie with J Lo? What was it called? Hustler, Hustle, Hustler or something. I wonder if they worked there when that all went down. What that was like 2008, I think. I gotta I gotta look it up and see when they worked there.

Wendy (33:29.508)
Who cares? She worked as course, she was in her twenties. Who cares? The guy who offered her ten grand, who cares?

Lori (33:30.876)
I know, who cares.

Lori (33:37.691)
Right, right, right.

Wendy (33:46.723)
yeah, hustler. Yeah, hustler.

Lori (33:47.463)
Now I'll take a soda.

Kelli (33:57.859)
But yeah, that's I mean I yeah, I think he was some guy. Although she did say I'm glad I never let him s buy me the house. So if somebody's gonna buy you a house, maybe it was a little bit more than sitting on his lap.

Wendy (34:07.524)
Right.

Lori (34:11.859)
Yeah, so she said on the after show she decided to move to California. He flew out there. He bought her a car. Yada, yada, yada. And then she said, yeah, she said that she actually found out because he used to drink and take like some pills. And when he would do that, he has Tourette's. So she would go out to the restaurant with him.

Wendy (34:24.049)
she gives more info.

Lori (34:39.475)
And then all of sudden he'd be drinking and he took his pills and his charrettes would start acting up and he would just start saying shit. So she said they used to get kicked out of restaurants all the time. Yeah, so it was a fun little tidbit.

Wendy (34:51.322)
That's interesting. Yeah, that's very interesting.

Kelli (34:54.264)
medicine was.

Lori (34:58.163)
And I love when Erica said to Daisy, well, you know, you can take yourself off the private island. Yes. And then.

Kelli (35:03.584)
my god, thank God she said it because we've all been thinking it since they got there. This looks like today's leftovers from lunch. Fuck off, Daisy. Fuck all the way off.

Wendy (35:08.247)
Well

Lori (35:10.963)
Yeah. Yeah. I'll go off days. Yeah. She says, yeah, Martha spoiled her. I'm like, ew.

Wendy (35:13.016)
Yeah. That's when they come downstairs for dinner, yeah.

Kelli (35:18.722)
Shut up. Enough with the Martha bullshit. Then get off the show. Cuz it's annoying. It's not cute. It's not appealing. It's not fun to watch. You're annoying. Go do Martha's makeup as her employee, which you are. You're not her friend. Stop.

Lori (35:25.031)
Exactly. No, it's not cute.

Yeah, she is really annoying.

Wendy (35:33.786)
So that's the

Wendy (35:38.384)
So they're all sitting on the couch and they're eating and they say, Well, who has a hidden talent? And Erica can burp talk.

Lori (35:46.963)
That's great. I love it.

Wendy (35:48.378)
So she says to Cy, I love you, and burping. And then Aaron comes out with, I can queef on demand. What?

Lori (35:57.926)
I think she was just trying to say that because I said that. I don't think she can really queef on

Kelli (36:01.802)
Me too. I totally one hundred percent agree with you. That was a load of bullshit. I love when Carol was like, I don't understand the gowns. We are on a deserted island.

Lori (36:06.899)
She was just trying to, yeah.

Wendy (36:08.536)
Okay.

Lori (36:13.54)
Right through to it here.

Wendy (36:13.701)
Yeah.

And she likes to be comfortable.

Kelli (36:16.888)
By the way, did she not ever watch Gilligan's Island? Because Mrs. Howell was in gowns all the time.

Lori (36:21.969)
Yes, she was.

Wendy (36:23.182)
And so was the ginger.

Kelli (36:25.048)
Ginger, yes.

Lori (36:25.714)
Yeah, ginger too.

Wendy (36:27.48)
So Carol's once again gushing about the house. It's the most beautiful house. It's like being at the Iman. I don't know what that is. And then Daisy has to throw in minus the Pier One furniture. Daisy.

Kelli (36:41.646)
she sucks. She sucks so bad. Get her off the show.

Lori (36:42.835)
Such an a-hole.

She does. She does.

Kelli (36:49.25)
And then she tries to toast and say something nice.

Lori (36:51.963)
Right. There's no redemption, girl. You screwed it up already.

Wendy (36:52.802)
Yeah. Right. And then we already went into the other thing where Aaron and Cy go sit down and talk next to the fire pit and we did that already. So we'll have to wait and see what happens next week. I imagine they're leaving the island, right? I think this is their last day.

Kelli (36:54.4)
Right. Exactly.

Lori (37:08.989)
You were dying.

Kelli (37:09.802)
I would really hope so.

Wendy (37:12.75)
I think so. Because I feel like Carol's been through all of her socks already. She did wear two tube socks to the beach.

Lori (37:16.978)
Yes.

Wendy (37:22.384)
I think Carol's out of socks. They gotta leave the island.

Kelli (37:23.544)
So funny.

Lori (37:25.629)
Yes, time to go.

Kelli (37:26.988)
Yeah. You know, when Cy said to Erin, like you should have shut that down with your makeup artist, like, listen. Cy wouldn't have shut it down if some if her makeup artist came over and said it to her either. Like, don't don't hold someone else to a different standard than you hold yourself. That I don't like.

Lori (37:35.474)
No. No.

Wendy (37:45.304)
Erin said she agreed. She did agree with her when she said it.

Kelli (37:48.588)
Yeah, but that was that was nice of her to say. I would have said, and you would have done that? Come on. You wouldn't have done that.

Lori (37:54.255)
Right. Come on. Yeah. No.

Wendy (37:59.866)
But listen, I think the points I was making is when you get drunk, you talk. And I think that that could be the problem. Because

Lori (38:00.255)
and

Kelli (38:07.95)
Yeah, I think that's everybody's problem. Definitely my problem.

Lori (38:12.913)
Yeah, but you don't, but you don't talk shit about, you really don't talk shit about people, Kelly.

Kelli (38:18.432)
I can. I can. I try to s only s I try to only say things that I would be okay with saying in front of that person. I do try to do that 'cause I will talk shit, but I would I try to do do it in a way where I would feel comfortable saying it in front of them. I but, you know, after a couple of glasses of wine.

Wendy (38:19.76)
Ha ha ha

Lori (38:20.837)
You never do it to me.

Lori (38:31.379)
Right.

Lori (38:43.571)
There you go.

Wendy (38:43.758)
Yeah, it happens.

Kelli (38:44.502)
Sometimes the humor, you know, the comedian the lips get loose.

Wendy (38:48.238)
The lips get loose.

Lori (38:48.455)
his comes out.

Kelli (38:53.549)
Ha ha ha.

Wendy (38:56.304)
Alright, so until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye.

Kelli (39:02.617)
Bye.

Lori (39:03.624)
Bye.