RHOC S20 E15: Muscle Sandwiches, Matcha & Major Meltdowns

Wendy (00:00.911)
Hi. Welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.752)
Kelly.

Lori (00:05.622)
And I'm Lori.

Wendy (00:07.607)
And we are talking about Real Housewives of Orange County. But before we do, please head over to YouTube and hit subscribe and follow us on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, comment, and give us five-star reviews, please. Thank you. Have we done it? This is episode 15, season 20, for goodness sake.

So we're still in Japan. A After the Temple, Emily has a surprise for them and they all get in their cars and they head over to a place called the Muscle Girl Bar.

Kelli (00:32.955)
Horrible episode.

Lori (00:44.674)
Weird.

Kelli (00:45.918)
It was actually funny.

Lori (00:48.14)
I thought it was weird.

Wendy (00:48.599)
I thought it was hysterical. I thought it was funny. Emily's like it's it's

Kelli (00:50.991)
I would have just kept paying to see Tamara get slapped, quite honestly.

Lori (00:54.262)
Ha ha ha!

Wendy (00:54.529)
Me too. Me too. I it's so, you know what? It was a funny place. Emily said it's not like any place they'd ever been to. And Vicky's complaining, like, she's like, what is this menu? I thought we were going to have some food. I'm starving. So then we see Gina buys a muscle sandwich for Shannon. So she's sitting on the stage, and these two women are banging their bodies into hers. And

Kelli (01:03.057)
Mm.

Wendy (01:22.529)
I first all I thought it was hysterical because it was Shannon and just Shannon it makes me laugh. And Gina in her confessional said, I did not realize at the time I ordered her the sandwich that she was going to be the meat. And Shannon said, It hurt. Like those ladies, and I you know what? They were they looked pretty like muscly. Like it probably did hurt. But like you said, like it would have been again, it was funny because it was Shannon.

Kelli (01:41.605)
Yeah. Yes.

Lori (01:43.694)
Probably did

Wendy (01:49.507)
But it would have been so much better if it was someone smacking Tamara. Or Emily or Yes, right?

Kelli (01:54.192)
Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, because they both annoyed the shit out of me in this episode. Emily is just constantly telling people what other people said. And I mean, we'll get to it, but Yeah, which I mean, okay, you think that's what your job is, but I don't know. Like I said, I think they need to retire this show. It's not going anywhere. Again, we're talking about

Wendy (02:09.517)
Yeah.

Lori (02:10.306)
Darn that pot.

Kelli (02:22.435)
Is she really your friend? Are you really good friends? Are you like w what why are we in middle school?

Lori (02:31.63)
Exactly.

Wendy (02:34.607)
So they leave that place. It's still raining. Vicky's hungry. Half of them are hungry. They so they decide they're gonna go to lunch and Emily, Jen, and Tamara are going to go to the Capy Barra place, and it is a capy barra cafe. if either one of you have ever been to the Cape May Zoo, you they have a Capy Barra there.

Kelli (02:59.152)
Yes.

Lori (02:59.31)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (03:00.855)
Yes. listen, I think he's kinda cute. I don't know that I would want to be that close to him.

Kelli (03:04.187)
So cute.

Not if they buy Right.

Lori (03:09.568)
And they fart now.

Wendy (03:10.191)
Yes, exactly, exactly, exactly.

Lori (03:14.7)
If I can hang out with one and it's not going to fart or bite me, I'm cool.

Kelli (03:18.073)
Yeah. I I hear ya.

Wendy (03:18.574)
Yeah.

Yeah. I thought yes. I I mean I guess it's an interesting thing to do. Like I would have not even thought that that was something that you do. So at the cafe, Tamar's telling them that she tried to have a conversation with Vicki. And Emily Right. And yes, and Emily is saying that.

Lori (03:44.354)
Yeah, how he's always leaving early, right?

Wendy (03:50.422)
S Shannon considers Vicky to be a good friend. And then when she talks to Vicki, Vicki says that Shannon's a good friend, but she's very noncommittal about it. Okay. Well, it's not No, it is not what Vicki said. But then when it came out on the bus and Shannon heard it, and Vicki said, No, I we are we are good friends. I mean, we don't talk every day, but we're good friends. And right.

Kelli (04:03.109)
Which is not true at all. That is not what Vicky said.

Kelli (04:18.425)
That's what she said.

Wendy (04:20.599)
Okay, you c you know. But Shanna was a little bit of right, but Shanna was still a little bit offended by it 'cause if Shanna's like, Well, I feel like we talk every day. Okay, but she o sh I mean that's just semantics at this point. But we'll get back there.

Kelli (04:21.529)
Okay. She said we are good friends.

Kelli (04:34.957)
Or schematics.

Lori (04:36.558)
But yes. my God.

Wendy (04:36.759)
Or schematics. How funny was that? I mean Vicky's not a dumb woman, but she kept saying schematics.

Lori (04:45.836)
It's just like a big game of fucked up telephone.

Kelli (04:49.585)
Well, you know what's interesting to me though? Isn't Vicky just a friend of or no, she is an actual housewife now. That's right. Okay. Okay, that's right. She is an actual housewife. Okay.

Wendy (04:54.187)
No, no, no, no, no. my gosh, it would have been so much better if she was just a friend of.

Lori (04:55.532)
Yeah.

Lori (05:01.678)
hell yeah.

Kelli (05:01.731)
It would have been much better because I mean listen, this whole thing with Tamara, it's it's it's just a ploy for her to fuck Vicki over and put a wedge in Vicki and Shannon's friendship because Tamara's just an asshole and that's just what she does.

Wendy (05:21.645)
Right. No, I totally agree with you. But Jen and Emily are st you know, they're still trying to talk to Tamara and they're trying to find out if if like her relationship with Vicky is really worth it. Like are you really, really friends with Vicky or you know, are you putting more into it than Vicky is? And I'm just like, why? Like why do we have to do this? And then right, so then of Right.

Kelli (05:41.601)
Exactly. What are you doing?

Wendy (05:46.554)
Cam Tamera's like, well I fe I do, but like it's complicated, you know, like she'll be s sweet to me and you know, then she'll do some shitty things. And then she brings up the podcast that was several years ago. I mean, I think it was six years ago. I it was a long time ago, the podcast that Vicky did.

Kelli (06:02.639)
It was a long time ago. They definitely have gotten past it by now. And why are you talking about it again? It has to do with your daughter. She doesn't want you talking about her.

Wendy (06:07.204)
Right.

Lori (06:14.222)
I think I, right, so I think I counted how many times she has, Tamra has brought up her daughter so far this season. I think we're on like six, possibly seven. So you shouldn't be saying anything because you are the one who keeps bringing up her name. Just don't talk about her. If you have a bad situation with her,

Kelli (06:35.363)
Exactly. Mm-hmm. It's really not that hard.

Lori (06:44.14)
and she doesn't want her name mentioned, why do you keep doing it?

Kelli (06:49.283)
Mm-hmm. It's a it's quite frustrating to watch.

Wendy (06:54.699)
Is it it is very frustrating to w to watch 'cause then Tamar even brings up, you know, well I was off the I was off the show for two years s and my my relationship with my daughter didn't get any better. Because, you know, Vicky did make that comment a long time ago that, you know, maybe she cares about fame more than she does about her daughter. Well, she's saying, Well, I was off it for two years and my relationship didn't change. Well, it's cause you didn't change, idiot. Like it has

Kelli (07:20.591)
Right. And you still haven't changed.

Lori (07:21.667)
Right.

Wendy (07:23.105)
Right, and you still haven't changed. Exactly. So then the other ladies, Heather, Gina, Shannon, and Vicky, they're going to eat lunch. And Shannon's telling Vicki that they're telling her that she makes excuses for her. And Gina jumps in and she says, Listen, I feel like she she does treat Vicky differently. And

Shannon kind of admits that she does. You know, she felt like, you know, she was down a little bit and she doesn't want to kick her when she's down. But she's like, but then you hold Jen to another standard because you were mad at mad at Jen at about Alexis, but then Vicki was like hugging Alexis and you weren't mad at Vicky about that. Now I'm like, Gina, like why? Like why?

Kelli (08:07.375)
Yeah. Right. Again, we're questioning the validity of a friendship. Like right.

Lori (08:10.36)
Just to cause a problem. Just to cause a problem. And that's the thing. It's just so middle school redundant.

Kelli (08:17.595)
Draining. Yes. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (08:20.845)
Right. Right. So Shannon goes on to say, Listen, I've been friends with Vicky for twelve years. Gina's like, Well, Vicki didn't make make it sound like you guys were that close.

Wendy (08:36.097)
She said, you guys, you don't talk every day and Shannon in her confessional says, I am a true friend to Vicki and to hear that there's that they're saying makes me think that maybe I may have her back more than she has mine. And again, this is what they're doing. They're just making those two question their friendship and the relationship because of all this nonsense is really all it is.

Kelli (08:59.983)
Meanwhile, the last two seasons when Tamara was burying Shannon, calling her an alcoholic and everything else, Vicki did have Shannon's back the entire time. Nobody else did. Nobody else was going back at Tamara saying stop calling her that. It's that's not what it is, you know. Vicky was the only one doing that.

Wendy (09:10.383)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (09:19.853)
No, I I agree with you. And I mean, she wasn't even on the show, but she was still you know. Then the next thing we see is in Rancho Santa Fe. We're at Carma Carmela's house. She's arranging flowers. Not sure why she decided to do that while talking to her boyfriend. She gives us an update on her insulin. she normally could take two units before she goes to bed and now

Kelli (09:25.402)
Yeah.

Wendy (09:45.559)
She's just so stressed out. She's waking up every couple hours and she's taking another two units that she took ten units last night. That seems like a problem.

Kelli (09:56.005)
That's a lot.

Lori (09:56.43)
Yeah, she's got to, yeah, maybe don't, maybe don't be on the show girlfriend. Like, I don't know, but your health situation is like a dumpster fire. Like what?

Kelli (10:00.678)
Yeah.

Kelli (10:05.807)
Yeah. If that's for real, then she needs to do something.

Wendy (10:10.167)
Yeah.

Then we see Tamara, Shannon, and Heather are all in the van together. And Tamara said, Did you see that before the where we were paying to get slapped in the head? And she smacks Shannon in the head. And then that van ride where they four poor Shannon again. But it was again, Shannon was getting her like Shannon got smacked like four times.

Lori (10:29.16)
smacking each other.

Kelli (10:35.673)
I know, I wish Tamara were in that van. Like why is nobody smacking Tamara? Tamara was in the van?

Lori (10:35.875)
Yeah.

Wendy (10:38.335)
She was. She was. Actually, she wasn't. Yes, and Shannon says to Heather, you smack her. And Heather did finally smack Tamra. So Heather did smack Tamra. I was like, but poor Shannon is like, I mean, seriously like getting a concussion from all these smacks.

Lori (10:40.942)
What?

Wendy (10:59.703)
Wendy (11:03.235)
The next the ladies go to this place, and they meet a tea master there, and they will have to take off their shoes. Pretty much every place you go to in Japan, you have to take off your shoes. So, word of advice, make sure your toes look pretty and you don't have holy socks if you're wearing socks. and they're going to be wearing traditional kimonos.

Kelli (11:17.329)
That's all right.

Wendy (11:31.064)
It's so funny because when they're she's helping them, like they're all help they need help getting dressed. Shannon's like, my gosh, all these years of wearing shapewear has prepared me for this moment. Yes, because you get wrapped up tight, tight like a mummy. and then they all go to get down on their knees to get on the floor. And Gina said, is it really appropriate for us to be doing this? And she said, like

Lori (11:39.64)
That was funny.

Kelli (11:40.881)
That was funny. Yes it has, Shannon. Yes it has.

Wendy (11:58.904)
And I personally was glad she said that 'cause I could so see where people would say this is like cultural appropriation, right? Because they're not Japanese and why are they doing this? So the ladies didn't know

Lori (12:10.572)
What? Wait, wait, wait, that makes no sense. You go to Tokyo and you can't participate in a tea ceremony because that's cultural appropriation?

Kelli (12:13.475)
I thought you were supposed to do that when you were there.

Wendy (12:16.833)
Well you are.

Wendy (12:24.525)
Yes, it could be considered that, yes. And

Lori (12:27.106)
Well, I think whoever's going to consider that cultural appropriation needs to go for some therapy because that's, I mean, that may be the thought process of some people, but that's wacko. That's whacked.

Wendy (12:40.737)
No, right. No, I I agree it's wacko, but I'm just glad that she put it out there and the team master said no, we have people come from all over the world and do this because again

Kelli (12:42.597)
I agree with you.

Kelli (12:52.145)
Okay. So anybody who might think it was cultural culture appropriation, it is not. The team master said it is not.

Wendy (13:01.655)
Yes. And the ceremony that they're doing is called Chado. And it was created over five hundred years ago by samurai warriors. And at the time there were no women. It was a men's club only, which is, you know, not that far from what's going on probably, you know, in a lot of parts of the world right now, right? Some Yeah.

Kelli (13:24.293)
Yeah. They're like, Well, we're familiar with that.

Wendy (13:29.057)
So they're making their tea and they're like whisking this like matcha drink with this I don't even know what it was. but there was a lot of whisking going on and Jen, who is very fit and Emily also very into working out, both said what an arm workout it was. okay, so if these two workout fanatics said it was an arm workout, I can you imagine what my tea would look like? I can't say seriously can't.

Kelli (13:54.545)
We'd be screwed.

Wendy (14:00.009)
So then it comes up while they're there about the inside jokes. Jen Shannon says, Well, can I ask a question question? Because Jen and I, we have these inside jokes. And Tamara's Yeah, I think they're stupid. And Emily's like, W what do you mean? She's like, I think it's fun. Right. Emily's like, I think it's fun. And she's like, Yeah, we have like these nicknames and stuff. And she said, But you're not so Emily says you're not being honest because the other day

Kelli (14:15.441)
That's 'cause you're not in on them.

Wendy (14:29.719)
With Jen, the way you feel about her, you weren't being honest, Shannon, because you were upset with her, again, bringing up the Alexis thing and you don't you didn't tell her.

And Shanna's like, What are you talking about? I mean, she's looking as confused as we are. Except we just heard this conversation from the other ladies when they were doing it with the Cappy Barra, so we kinda knew that this was coming, right?

Kelli (14:54.139)
Right. Right.

Wendy (14:56.779)
So she's like, Well, you said when she came over and hugged her. we're gonna have to talk about this now. And Shauna's Yeah, I'm I was joking. Like, we're not allowed to joke now, which I I think she was joking. I don't think, you know, it was anything serious. then it comes up, Emily said, Well, did it bother you when Alexis went on Vicky's podcast?

Kelli (15:11.983)
Right. Right.

Wendy (15:25.167)
And Shannon said, Yeah, that did bother me and I you know, I did s I did say something to her. Now again, this was last year or w or was it even the year before? Yeah, it was

Kelli (15:34.011)
Yeah. No, years ago Alexis went on Vicky Vicky, I don't think Vicky even has a podcast anymore.

Wendy (15:40.875)
No, she does. She does still have a podcast actually.

Kelli (15:43.311)
I don't think it's I think it's been years since that happened.

Wendy (15:47.0)
Yeah, so it wasn't it was not current that Alexis went on the Vicky's podcast. Emily said, Well, did you tell her? She said, Yeah, I texted her. And and Vicki said, Well, yeah, but I had no idea. And you texted me after I did the podcast. And Shannon's like, No. But again, she's not gonna like hold her feet to the fire because this is something that happened a long time ago. And it's Emily that's bringing it up. It's not Shannon that's making a big deal about it.

Kelli (16:07.653)
Right.

Right.

Wendy (16:15.403)
So then Yeah, yeah.

Lori (16:15.64)
It usually is Emily bringing stuff up.

Kelli (16:18.577)
Absolutely. she went on it in September of twenty twenty five. So maybe it had only by the time they were filming this, well no, because that would be no, it was so it wasn't years ago. It was current when they were filming because it's only October of twenty twenty six and we're watching it now. So they had to film very shortly after she did that.

Lori (16:34.807)
own.

Wendy (16:36.505)
Well the

Yeah, I mean

Wendy (16:44.345)
But we know that Vicky went to Alexis and John's wedding. So Vicki had a relationship with Alexis and Shannon has always said I'm not going to s tell you who you c you sh she's always maintained that. Like you're I'm not gonna dictate who your friends are.

Kelli (16:48.624)
Right.

Kelli (17:03.503)
And hasn't I'm sure she's been on two Ts, so she's been on Tamra's podcast too.

Wendy (17:08.727)
Yes. Yes, she has. But again, it's they asked Shannon if she was upset about it. She said, Yes, I was. I texted Vicki and e she had addressed it, right? It's not like she didn't.

Wendy (17:25.539)
Then Emily says to then Emily brings up that when Vicky came back to the group, the reason she said she had an issue with Tamra was the way the group had treated Shannon.

Emily said, it doesn't make sense to me that you would then have Alexis on your podcast. First of all, one has nothing to do with the other. They were actually two different time frames, and Vicky wasn't on the show with them when Alexis was on the show with Shannon. And they're two, they're two totally separate things.

Kelli (17:47.695)
One has nothing to do with the other.

Kelli (18:03.929)
Totally.

Wendy (18:06.113)
So that's when Vicky said, Well, this was a year ago, so I don't really remember the schematics. If I do if I did do that, I'm sorry. And again, I think she was being sincere about it, because I don't think she remembers like the time frame of when were you filming? When was Alexis's wedding? When did I have her on my podcast? You know

Kelli (18:12.801)
Mm.

Wendy (18:34.551)
And then so Tamar jumps in and said, Well, why would my friendship with you reflect on my friendship with Shannon? Vicki said, Well, she was going through a tough time with the DUI and the situation with John. I felt like you didn't give her any grace, which she did say. and that was my opinion. If it was right or wrong, it was my opinion. Tamar said, So it was your opinion when you went after me as a mom, Vicky, that I was wrong and that

You know, you're an incredible mother, so whatever. I'm sorry. Now again, that was many years ago.

Kelli (19:12.869)
Many, many, many years ago.

Wendy (19:15.917)
Right. So then Tamara starts her fake crying.

Kelli (19:20.181)
so bad. I mean, if anybody out there is actually feeling sorry for this woman, I I don't even know what to say because it's so fake. It's so fake. I c I couldn't, I mean, I was barely watching it because I was food shopping while I was watching it. But I was thinking in my head, like, my God, she makes me sick to my stomach. She's so fake. And she weaponizes, she weaponizes.

Wendy (19:36.334)
Ha ha.

Wendy (19:43.609)
That yeah.

Kelli (19:48.218)
this fallout with her daughter aga w any chance she can and fake cries over it and it's disgusting. And this is why this is why your daughter won't talk to you. There's nothing wrong with Vicky saying that because this is why.

Wendy (19:58.094)
I totally agree.

Wendy (20:04.527)
Yeah. It's

Kelli (20:05.546)
Ex again Yes. she did.

Lori (20:05.578)
And Tamra's the one who brought it up again. Again.

Wendy (20:09.773)
Right. Right, because this is her storyline. It's her being the victim. That's what her storyline is. And you know, she brings up again that if you were in my shoes, you would do everything that you could to make, you know, sure that everything was good with my daughter. Tamra at this point is crying and yelling at Vicky, like, Why did you talk about it? It's the most painful thing that ever happened to me.

Lori (20:15.799)
Right.

Wendy (20:39.433)
and then she goes on to say this w this kind of blew my mind. Did you ever think if I could have stayed with my ex husband and been miserable to keep my child, would I do it again? Tamar said I probably would. There is no way in hell she would have done that.

Kelli (20:50.331)
She would not.

She would not. She's such a liar. She's the worst.

Wendy (21:01.325)
And then Shannon goes over there and is hugging her and like poor Shannon is actually crying. Like I sh I think Shannon was legit crying. Like she felt bad for Tamara because I think she was buying her fake tears.

Kelli (21:14.001)
How though, how is anybody anybody believing this woman? How? Especially when you film a show with her and you know how dirty she can be.

Lori (21:25.004)
Right. think Shannon's probably just a softie, like no matter what. Like you could, you could fuck her over a thousand times and she was still going to be like, okay. Like, you know what I mean? I think she's just nice like that.

Wendy (21:27.169)
I think I think I was just I was just gonna say that I think yeah.

Kelli (21:30.448)
Yeah.

Kelli (21:34.319)
Right.

I know.

Wendy (21:37.549)
Right.

Wendy (21:41.176)
I think so too. I think that's who Shannon is to her core. You know, she's gonna now she's learned and now she's gonna set her own personal boundaries. But if she sees someone that she was friends with or she's just very compassionate. Of of course she's gonna go hug her, you know? That's what she's gonna do. That's who she is. I would do the same thing to be quite honest with you. I wouldn't I just, you know. I would do the Yeah.

Kelli (21:56.325)
Right. Yeah.

Lori (22:05.612)
I would do the same thing too, because I'm a sucker like that.

Kelli (22:09.477)
I wouldn't go near Tamra if he paid me. I wouldn't go near that woman if he paid me.

Wendy (22:09.763)
What about you?

Lori (22:10.99)
Nope, Kelly said nope.

Kelli (22:17.465)
Absolutely not. You suck. That's right. I'ma sit over here and you do whatever business, phony business you're doing over there.

Wendy (22:18.093)
Yeah.

Lori (22:18.19)
Good luck with that. I'm gonna finish my tea.

Wendy (22:23.203)
Ha ha ha.

Lori (22:27.85)
is you got going on. Right, right.

Wendy (22:32.399)
So then we see Heather in her confessional and she's saying that she can't imagine being estranged from any one of her kids. And I mean, honestly, I can't either, but I

Kelli (22:41.253)
None of us could, but none of us behave the way Tamra behaves. Like Heather d would never have to worry about that.

Wendy (22:48.991)
Right. She wouldn't. She absolutely wouldn't. And she said that she feels like until Tamar reconciles with her daughter, that she's always gonna have this feeling. Well, I agree with that, but I don't think that her daughter's ever going to reconcile with her if she just continues to do what it is she's doing. I mean, even that scene that she showed the picture, the the fake birthday party for her granddaughter where she had to show the picture and they blurred out Sydney's face.

Lori (23:17.442)
Right, right, right.

Wendy (23:17.655)
And she's crying that you've n you've never even met Sydney. I mean, come on.

Lori (23:23.18)
Now, isn't part of the problem that, because I haven't watched it back then, but isn't part of the problem that she left Sydney's father for Eddie? Is that part of the problem?

Kelli (23:35.247)
I mean, she definitely did. She definitely did leave Simon for Eddie, but I don't think that has I don't think that's why Sydney doesn't speak to her. Right? I don't think

Wendy (23:35.917)
Not really. Yeah, but

Lori (23:45.224)
Okay. I don't know. What do I know?

Wendy (23:46.81)
Sid Sidney Sydney did put out like an open letter a long time ago that, you know, she yes, but it's the same, it was from a long time ago that she she chose to live with her father initially after the divorce, because people say that she took sides. Initially after the divorce, she was with Tamara. But Tamara, she learned how toxic and manipulative she was and how she was alienating her from her.

Kelli (23:52.633)
It's resurfaced recently.

Yes.

Wendy (24:16.543)
Actual father. So when she realized what was going on, that's when she moved in with her father. And that's when she really ended her relationship with Tamar. And she gave her many chances to reconcile. All she would ask is do not speak of me, do not say my name, do not post my picture, do not talk about me in the public eye. And she couldn't do it.

She went to her graduation. She took a picture. She came over to the house last year when Sophia was filming. She wasn't filming to pick up her sister Sophia. And Tamara has to announce that her and Sydney had a nice conversation in the driveway. Okay. You didn't have to announce that because you just negated the entire nice conversation you had by doing what she asked you not to do.

Kelli (25:13.649)
Yeah. And in this long letter, the young lady says that when they were you know, when they separated, Tamara and Simon and the kids were with Tamra, if they did something wrong or something Tamra didn't like, she'd be like, okay, Simon, okay, Simon Junior.

Lori (25:13.678)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (25:30.615)
Yes Yes, she would do that. I mean she even went so far yeah. She went as so far as far as to say as as they were also neglected, that there wasn't food in the house, she wouldn't feed them. Which listen, I can I can seriously see that that would not have been her priority. Like making sure that my kids are fed and that they're, you know, eating a well balanced meal.

Lori (25:31.406)
yeah, no, never good.

Wendy (25:58.628)
so the next morning, I believe now we're day three, the ladies are getting ready. Carmela FaceTimes with Jenna, Tamara's there and they're getting their glam done. Heather, Gina are talking to Vicky, telling her to do some work in the morning because of the whole blow up last night, and that you know, maybe she should speak to Tamara, but not right now, and that maybe she should meet them at the market later.

So she can get some work done. So that's what Vicky was doing. So then we see that Tamra, Heather, and Gino all go and do these go-karts through the middle of Tokyo dressed in costumes. I guess it was like a Mario Kart kind of thing. Heather was a lobster, Tamara was a pig, and Emily was a kitty cat.

Lori (26:43.362)
I guess so,

Wendy (26:52.321)
Okay. Gina, Shannon, and Jen all go to the market and then Vicky meets up with them later. they're sitting at the market and they're sitting down to eat and they're at a ramen place and Vicky's like, I can't eat right now. Like I just don't have an appetite. 'Cause you know, I I get it. At at this point in her life

Lori (26:53.408)
Okay.

Wendy (27:17.921)
She does have a full time job, besides this. And she does have a lot going on, it seems like with Mike. And she's in Japan and she's like trying to have fun on this girl's trip. And every turn she gets like smacked in the face over something. I get it. Like it's not a good time for her.

Kelli (27:35.954)
I don't think she I don't think she expected to care come back on the show and have Tamara do what she's doing to her. I don't think she expected that at all. And I think Tamra had it planned out all along and I think now Tamara has her little henchmen, Emily and Jen, falling right in line. 'Cause you'll notice Gina's not

Wendy (27:49.423)
Yeah.

Wendy (28:02.03)
Yeah.

Lori (28:05.494)
No, she's not. No.

Kelli (28:05.573)
Gina's not falling in line. She's asking questions and she's talking to Shannon about it, but she's not doing what Emily and Jen are doing.

Wendy (28:11.895)
No, 'cause Gina Gina tends to side with Heather on things like this. It's more Heather and Gina. but yeah, you're absolutely right. Like this is what's going on. And you had said it earlier, even with Ultimate Girls Trip. I think that Vicky did come back to Bravo thinking that people are gonna be like, my gosh, it's Vicki and like let's and and they filmed OC after they filmed Girls Trip. So she had just done this girls' trip with all these

Very big personalities. We saw how Girls Trip went. And then she's now doing back to OC full time. Never really resolved the whole thing that happened on Girls Trip with Tamara. Right? And now they're in Japan. Like that's a lot. That's a lot.

Kelli (29:01.615)
Yeah, it was a lot.

Wendy (29:06.238)
Emily and Heather are talking to Tamar after they're done go-karting and asking like what she wants to say to Vicki. Tamar said the one thing that really stands out is that you all individually came over to me when I was fake crying. You rallied around me and Vicky didn't. I was like, my God. Exactly.

Kelli (29:32.101)
Why would she? Why would she? You're bringing up shit that happened years ago and and you're trying to cast her in a bad light. Listen, Vicki was doing that all on her own this season. She didn't. But you're you're trying to bury her. Why would she go over and check on you? Get the fuck out of here.

Lori (29:45.484)
Right. She didn't need any help.

Wendy (29:46.051)
Ha ha

Lori (29:54.264)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (29:57.968)
So then to make matters even worse, Emily says to Tamara that, you know, I was gonna tell you this the other night, but you know, on the car ride home, Vicky said maybe Sydney doesn't talk to her mom because of the way her mom acts. Tamara says so sh

Kelli (30:11.823)
Which again is not what Vicky said. Was absolutely not what she said.

Wendy (30:15.287)
So right. Right. You're right. So Tamar says, so she doubled down. Emily says yes. And Tamara said, Well, I don't have any effing thing to say to her. Like, she said, Why don't we ask her if Brianna is speaking to her right now? And Emily's like, Well, is she speaking to her right now? And she's like, No, she's not. Okay, so now

Kelli (30:39.771)
Well, Brianna's married to a psycho, so that can have something to do with it.

Lori (30:43.106)
Right. Yeah, absolutely.

Wendy (30:46.403)
Yeah. But again, why did she have to bring that up?

Kelli (30:50.745)
Yeah, 'cause that's who Tamra is.

Wendy (30:55.661)
So then Shannon says to Vicky, Listen, I love you as a friend, but hearing yesterday that you said that you and I were not good friends, Vicky said, That's not what I said. She said, We don't talk every single day, but you know, that's okay. We're adults. Like we don't have to talk every single day, but we are good friends. We have our own lives. And she did say they were good friends.

Heather goes to Vicky's room before dinner to check on her. Tamar goes to check on Shannon. Shannon burnt her hand, so Tamara offers her her makeup girls to come do her makeup.

Kelli (31:35.665)
It's interesting 'cause we were saying how we didn't think they had glam, but they do have glam. Mm-hmm.

Lori (31:39.214)
He definitely has a laugh.

Wendy (31:40.803)
Well, not everybody, so Tamara and Jen seem to be sharing glam, right?

Kelli (31:47.537)
Yeah, but I don't know what that chick did to Tamara that last night because her f her makeup and hair were horrible.

Wendy (31:55.054)
Tamara asks her how Archie's doing. We find out he's not doing well. Gina and Emily are the first ones to come down to dinner, then Tamara, then Jen and Vicky, and Heather and Shannon. we find out that Heather found this incredible shelf chef that's gonna come give them a lesson on making sushi. I thought that was another very cool thing that they were doing.

Wendy (32:23.843)
I think I would like to learn how to make sushi. I I don't think I would eat it though. That's one of the things I don't think I would participate in. Just saying. and I did like that that Heather did arrange for them to have like a charcuterie board and some other food to eat when they were Yes.

Kelli (32:32.133)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (32:40.79)
Right, knowing they weren't really gonna eat the sushi.

Kelli (32:42.787)
I love that they just made all this sushi and they and they I the they're actually showing all the food still left on the table and then they're like, look at those beautiful short and we have fries. Like was anybody gonna eat the sushi?

Lori (32:49.922)
sitting on the table.

And we have fries.

Wendy (32:54.734)
Yeah.

Lori (32:57.26)
Now how about when, I believe it was before we get to this sushi dinner, that somebody goes in the room with Emily and Gina and Emily shows, yeah, and they're in bed and Emily shows a post that her daughter sent her about Shane's YouTube watch history. I thought that was so rude.

Wendy (32:57.273)
Probably not.

Kelli (33:12.091)
During bed.

Kelli (33:26.075)
Horrible.

Lori (33:26.616)
Like, rude or how-

Wendy (33:27.597)
It was a text message. It wasn't a post, right? It was a text message.

Kelli (33:30.149)
Yeah, she sent a screenshot or she showed us yeah.

Lori (33:30.936)
Right, was a text message about, right, of his YouTube history. Who would embarrass their husband like that? I thought it was horrible, horrible.

Wendy (33:33.313)
Right. Yeah.

Kelli (33:40.037)
That was horrible. Yes, I totally agree. This poor guy, man, maybe they are gonna split up because I'll tell you what. Never. Never.

Wendy (33:42.158)
You're right.

Lori (33:47.128)
horrible. I would never, my husband would never talk to me again. Never.

And my husband's a wonderful man, but he would never speak to me again. Never. Horrible.

Kelli (33:56.708)
Right. Right. The really, really bad.

Wendy (33:57.104)
No, that's horrible.

Wendy (34:02.851)
What was it? I don't even remember. What was his YouTube history?

Kelli (34:04.709)
How to please a woman or something. She should be happy he was looking that up.

Lori (34:05.056)
It was, yeah, something that absolutely.

Wendy (34:09.945)
But then the other thing was something other like very obscure, wasn't it?

Lori (34:13.954)
I don't remember. That's only part I remember. The embarrassing.

Kelli (34:16.367)
Well, yeah, there 'cause there were two things and she was like, Well, which one was it? And sh and Annabelle she's asking her daughter, her teenage daughter, how to please a woman. Right. But don't like don't feed into it. Mhm.

Lori (34:23.256)
13. Right.

Wendy (34:25.369)
Well, her daughter's the one who gave her the information.

Lori (34:27.382)
Right, right. I know. Which just makes it even worse.

Wendy (34:31.415)
Yeah, a hundred percent. No, you're absolutely right. I almost yeah, I didn't even write that down, but that was definitely F'd up.

Wendy (34:40.623)
Let's see.

Lori (34:46.744)
Then it's just Vicki and Tamra fighting.

Kelli (34:47.035)
Tamra has her outburst. Yeah. Tamara has her outburst. So are we gonna talk about it or whatever the fuck she said.

Wendy (34:55.993)
Right.

Kelli (34:58.193)
We can just act like Yeah.

Wendy (34:58.403)
Vicky said I thought we were right. I thought we were done with this. We've been, you know, fifteen years into a relationship and this is the schematics. Again, she said it twice. Tamra says it's twenty years and Heather says

Kelli (35:12.121)
It's not twenty years, Tamara. This is the twentieth season of Housewives. You weren't fucking on the show the first two seasons. You weren't. So maybe it was eighteen years ago, but it wasn't twenty. Like shut up with the twenty. You weren't there. You're not an OG. You're not an original.

Wendy (35:14.508)
No.

Lori (35:21.71)
So it's not 20 years. Right, right. 20, right.

Kelli (35:32.719)
Sorry. I c I I really cannot stand her. I can't.

Wendy (35:38.394)
So then Vicky says, so now out of the blue, you're gonna talk about something that hurt you that I apologize for. I feel tar I feel horrible about, like, like hopefully you feel terrible about the things you said about me. And Tamara said, Well, if you could t please tell me all the things that I said about you that hurt you, I'd be more than happy to apologize. Vicky said, Well, I mean, I hate to bring up the Brooks. You said, you know, I was a part of the cancer scam, and you know that's a lie.

Lori (36:08.632)
What do you guys think?

Wendy (36:08.956)
about the cancer scam.

Lori (36:12.568)
Did she know?

Kelli (36:15.279)
I I don't think sh Yeah.

Wendy (36:16.621)
I think maybe towards the end I think maybe towards the end in the beginning I do not think she knew. I really don't.

Lori (36:22.414)
These are things you know.

Kelli (36:22.871)
I I agree. I think she believed everything this guy was telling her. Real quick though, when Tamara and Shannon were talking in the room and Tamra said to her, I appreciate you coming over. And when Tamara said to her, You've always been there for me, I thought, What? That's a 180 from what you were saying two seasons ago. Like she doesn't even remember the shit she says.

Lori (36:51.246)
I don't think so.

Kelli (36:51.259)
She contradicts herself all the time.

Kelli (36:56.891)
But yeah, I agree with Wendy. I don't think Vicky knew in the beginning. I think towards the end she knew. But I think at that point was when she was like, All right, I have to figure out how to get rid of this guy.

Wendy (37:00.291)
I don't think she did.

Lori (37:07.276)
Right. Well, you see, you see later on, Vicki does say to Tamra that you have amnesia. So maybe that's part of our problem.

Wendy (37:07.405)
Yes, yes. I think that that is what happened.

Kelli (37:15.503)
Yeah. She really does.

Wendy (37:19.139)
Yeah, and sh I I don't think Vicki's lying either, even with her schematics. But even when so Tamara says to Vicki, You tell me what I did that I need to apologize for. So she says the Brooks thing, and instead of Tamara apologizing, she said, Well, so did Shannon. Okay. really? This this is what you're gonna do? Okay.

Kelli (37:21.861)
No.

Lori (37:24.012)
Right.

Lori (37:39.214)
Bye.

Kelli (37:43.247)
And didn't Vicky say, Yeah, but Shannon apologized.

Wendy (37:47.268)
Yes. So then Heather asks Tamara, what do you need to move forward? And Jen said, It's because the pain you feel from your family, it's not Vicky's fault. What she said was horrible, but she says you're she says you you say you're sorry, you accept it, but you're still carrying this pain that you feel from the loss in your family, and you're projecting it onto Vicky. I I mean, y you can say that, but that's being kind. I think that you're just making a storyline because you have nothing else.

Kelli (38:16.737)
That's it. That's what it is.

Wendy (38:18.221)
Right? I I mean, I don't think this is projection. I don't think that she is really that broken up about this. 'Cause she would

Lori (38:25.272)
distraught about it,

Kelli (38:25.339)
She wants people to feel sorry for her, and people don't feel sorry for her because she sucks.

Lori (38:34.956)
I don't know, but Vicky stomping her foot. I was like, my God. And a bad knee too, I'm like, you fool.

Wendy (38:43.597)
I know, I know. So Vicky said, You're just doing this to create more problems. Tamar's like, you're effing kidding me. Vicki said, I'm not scared of you. I didn't do that to cause a rift between us, between you and Sydney. I repeated something that she had put on the internet, which is what she did. Tamar said, Watch that's when she said, watch your mouth. I'm talking to you. And she points to her, like All right.

Kelli (38:54.513)
She said, Watch your mouth.

Kelli (39:10.993)
Nobody's scared of you, Tamara, because all they have to do is throw the truth back at you and you're gonna get up and run out anyway. So what do you think you're doing here? Nobody's scared of you. You're gonna run away.

Wendy (39:13.165)
Yeah, it's just

Wendy (39:25.601)
Right. Vicky says, Don't talk to me like that. Vicky gets up at this point and says, This is bullshit. I didn't come to Japan for this. You know, you're ruining my trip. This is when she says, You have amnesia. You forgot what you did to me and everybody else in this room. You act like you're the victim right now. Please, Tamara. And I I don't disagree. I really don't. I don't.

Kelli (39:48.998)
Power on.

Lori (39:53.398)
Yeah, Vicki's no peach, but she's not wrong.

Wendy (39:56.249)
Right.

Wendy (40:01.114)
Vicki screams, I don't want to be around her, and she's out. Shannon in her confessional says, I think that every single person in this group can say that they've been hurt by Tamara. And I get it, but I also want Vicky to understand that Tamara wants to feel a hundred percent certainty that an apology is genuine. Shannon, her apology was genuine. Tamara keeps bringing it back up. So what else is there to be done?

Kelli (40:29.947)
Right. Yep.

Wendy (40:31.095)
Right? And and well, right, and sh right. And Shannon has accepted Tamar's apologies, right, many times, but she has given her boundaries and she's sticking with her boundaries. I think pretty much that's where Vicky's at at this point. Like, I'm not gonna do this anymore.

Lori (40:32.44)
Well, you can only say you're sorry so many times.

Kelli (40:34.435)
Exactly. You can only say it so many times.

Wendy (40:55.309)
And wait until Vicky sees I this is what I want to see on the when Vicky sees what Tamar said in her confessional about she's like a sister to me, but is she a good person? No.

Wait till Vicky sees that.

Kelli (41:08.453)
Yep. Totally agree.

Wendy (41:16.911)
They have one more day in Japan.

Wendy (41:23.332)
then Shannon talks Vicky into coming back in to talk to Tamra.

Kelli (41:31.311)
Yeah. Why? Like why?

Wendy (41:34.957)
I think because they had one more day in Japan and they were trying to salvage it. I don't know. I don't know.

Kelli (41:42.321)
Horrible. Horrible episode. Horrible season. End End it.

Lori (41:48.01)
And know what? Japan is such a cool place. There are so many awesome things that they could have done there. I feel like almost everything that they've done, well, it's cute and whatever. It's basically lame compared to what you could be doing. What you could be doing. Come on.

Wendy (41:52.248)
I know.

Kelli (42:01.743)
What they could be doing. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (42:05.133)
No, I totally agree. This bullshit could have been happening anywhere. We didn't have to go all the way to Japan. We didn't ha have to bring this bull t bullshit to Japan.

Lori (42:09.614)
Yes!

Lori (42:14.008)
Come to Jersey, I'll bitch slap ya. Just don't, you know. It's just, there's so many cool things. And I'm just like, what?

Wendy (42:18.413)
That's a fact. Basically, yeah. Yeah, I mean basically they end up hugging. They they hug at the end. Tamar and Vicky hug. And I wrote down. This is fake as F. Vicki said, I'm tired, sugar tits. I need to get some rest. She I didn't know she I I guess I vaguely remember. She used to call ta Tamar sugar tits.

Kelli (42:21.937)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (42:28.783)
Which was ridiculous.

Lori (42:30.53)
But Vicky has to go because she's shaking. She's feeling dizzy. Everything is fake.

Wendy (42:45.603)
I don't

Wendy (42:50.111)
so that was the episode. It was yeah.

Lori (42:54.51)
thank God. It was a chore. It was a chore. It was a

Kelli (42:55.941)
Yeah, it was hard to watch. It was hard to sit through this one. It was a horrible episode. The whole season. It's really not good.

Wendy (42:58.68)
It was hard to watch.

Lori (43:06.282)
Was it sure?

Wendy (43:09.741)
So Sophia on Watch What Happens Live, Tamara was there. And her daughter Sophia Barney was the bartender. She just turned twenty one.

Kelli (43:19.195)
Really pushing her for this gen.

Wendy (43:21.709)
By the way, she looked great. Sophia looked awesome. Her hair was long. It was like a chestnut brown. She had bangs. She looked really good.

I don't know. I I don't blame I don't blame her daughter for her mother's actions. Like I want Sophia to be successful. You know, let her do her own thing. If her mother gets if her mother gets her foot in the door. I because I will say with Ariana and Kim Beerman, like, you know, Kim Kim Zolsiak got Ariana's foot in the door for next gen, but Ariana c can hold her own and she is she's very she's really good on that show, despite her mother.

Kelli (43:41.552)
Yeah.

Kelli (44:00.006)
Yeah, well all those kids, I mean no you know, if they if people didn't know their parents, they wouldn't know them. So

Lori (44:06.677)
Absolutely. Yeah.

Wendy (44:07.329)
Not all of them. I mean, like Charlie, nobody knew. I mean, honestly, Ava Dash, people didn't really know Ava Dash. I mean, yeah, she's Damon Dash's daughter, but nobody knew who she was.

Kelli (44:17.615)
Yeah, but you had to kind of do the research to

Wendy (44:21.345)
Yeah. I mean the other ones were definitely the the draw for it. That's what I it's brava. That's what got people to come watch it. And then you learned about the other ones.

Lori (44:29.571)
Yeah.

Kelli (44:32.68)
well.

Lori (44:33.441)
But I'm glad this episode's over. It's too much.

Wendy (44:33.459)
Kelli (44:35.215)
Yeah, hopefully next episode's better. I don't know. I just think it's a lot of nonsense. The them pinning each other against each other. It's like it's not it's just not enjoyable.

Lori (44:40.607)
Nonsense. Nonsense.

Wendy (44:49.603)
I will say one thing, Andy did ask Tamar why she told the ladies that Vicki had brain damage after the scan. And Tamar's excuse was I was so looped out after it all. Like I don't know what they gave me. They gave me three bill three pills before the scan. I don't know, maybe Xanax, and I took them all at once. And they said to me, you took them all at once? So she's blaming it on Xanax. That's why she told everyone that Vicki had brain damage.

Kelli (45:19.793)
But she didn't tell that that happened at the office. That's

Lori (45:20.088)
So Tamra, wait, wait. So Tamra had temporary brain damage and then that caused her to say that Vicki had brain damage.

Wendy (45:29.239)
Yes. She said after sh she said

Kelli (45:30.545)
Yeah, but if she took if she took the Xanax before the scan.

Wendy (45:35.671)
Right, she did. But then after the scan is when she met the girls. She went right from the scan.

Kelli (45:40.348)
so she got all looped up and drove?

Lori (45:42.818)
Yeah, that's great.

Lori (45:47.8)
Yeah.

Wendy (45:48.013)
Or maybe she had a driver. I mean Heather always has a driver. Heather doesn't drive anywhere.

Lori (45:53.038)
I would love that. I would love that. Yeah, I hate driving. hate it. Absolutely. I hate driving. I would have a driver. I would love it. Like all these people who... I could care what... I don't care what he called me. Her, she, they, them. I don't care who they are. I don't care. me anything you want. As long as you're taking me, I don't care. I don't care. I hate to drive. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. All these...

Kelli (45:53.681)
Hopes.

Wendy (45:56.365)
A driver driving Miss Lori.

Wendy (46:05.379)
Would you want your driver to call you, Miss Lori?

Lori (46:22.03)
famous people who get driving under the influence. Why? Why? You can afford, you can afford, you can afford an Uber. You can afford a driver. You can afford a cab. Why? I don't get it. I don't get it.

Kelli (46:27.589)
Well, with Uber now, I mean it's kinda

Kelli (46:38.085)
I agree.

Wendy (46:38.841)
I don't get it either. I would like a driver too.

Lori (46:40.03)
Ugh. Yes. Take my ass around.

Wendy (46:49.647)
Alright, so that's it for this one. Until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five-star reviews. Bye.

Kelli (46:57.659)
Bye.

Lori (46:58.498)
Bye.