RHOP S11 E1: Lies, Loyalty & Dating App Disasters

Wendy (00:00.974)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.25)
I'm Callie.

Wendy (00:06.114)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Potomac season eleven, episode number one. Read between the lies. But before we do, I'd like to ask everyone to please head over to YouTube and hit subscribe and go to all of our social media platforms Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, follow us, review us, give us five star reviews, and comment. And thank you if you've done it already.

Kelli (00:33.137)
Thank you.

Wendy (00:34.706)
So we start out with Karen saying she is grateful to be sober. Okay. She wants to be a living testimony that it's okay to fail and it's okay to tilt the crown. Thank God for the Bible.

Kelli (00:54.353)
Mm.

Wendy (00:54.826)
Okay. What? Karen? Who are you fooling? Because you're not fooling me. You're not fooling me.

Kelli (01:00.901)
Wow. So I do think that they encourage you know, same thing as like AA, you know, any recovery, like in jail. I think that they do encourage you to, you know, get in touch with your higher power.

Wendy (01:15.288)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:16.763)
But it's just interesting that this episode started out this way. I just picture cousin Gina yelling at the TV.

Wendy (01:28.045)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:28.367)
Because of her feelings towards Karen and the load of bullshit that this all looks like.

Wendy (01:35.705)
Yeah, it does. So she she she tells us also that her and Ray are kind of going through it since she got out of jail. Okay. But then we see, all of a sudden we see one month later, and we see literally all the ladies are going at it. nothing specific, just a whole bunch of commotion. Okay. Then the next thing we see is Ashley, Giselle, and Karen are all meeting up at the grove, and they are gonna kind of catch up and

In the confessional, Karen says that Giselle actually has been a good friend to her while she was away, that she was dropping off stuff in her mailbox and that she appreciates that. I was surprised to hear that.

You weren't?

Kelli (02:19.025)
I wasn't surprised to hear that. No. I think that's the I think that that's the what do they call her? The first lady of the church. I think that that's just ingrained in Giselle from having that kind of position for those years. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (02:21.205)
Okay.

Wendy (02:33.578)
okay. Okay, that makes sense. No, that makes sense. So then Ashley asks her, like, as your friends, like well you're not drinking, right? She says. And Karen's like, No, I'm not drinking. So like how would you like us to act around you? So

Karen says what my challenge is is medication and I'm not around that a lot. So he

Kelli (03:01.393)
She says I've never been a drinker. Didn't she say that?

Wendy (03:05.42)
Right.

Well, sh I don't know that she I didn't hear her say that, but yeah.

Kelli (03:09.765)
I'm not a big drinker. I'm not a big drinker. medication was my issue. well one, we later see that medication may very well still be your issue. And yes, drinking was you were a big drinker for DUIs.

Wendy (03:16.216)
Mm.

Wendy (03:29.174)
Right. Right.

Kelli (03:30.821)
Four.

Wendy (03:34.697)
and Giselle in her confessional at this point says, Listen, I'm happy Karen's back, but you can't get better until you admit you have a problem. Which and she's not admitting that. Like alcohol's a problem. And then she asks, she says, Are you still in therapy? And she's like, Yeah. Ashley asks her what's going on in her life.

Kelli (03:49.541)
Right. She's not not admitting it.

Wendy (04:00.41)
no, Karen wants to know what's going on in Ashley's life actually, 'cause she wants to change the subject, which I don't blame her. I think Karen should change the subject at this point. And Ashley's like, Well, I'm actually dating somebody and she's like, Well, who is it? And we find out that she's dating Josh again.

Kelli (04:05.775)
Yeah, she definitely.

Kelli (04:15.003)
The one that she fake broke up with at Dave and Buster's.

Wendy (04:17.226)
Yes, yes. And he was at her party that Karen had, the Love Lagoon party. then Giselle asked Karen if she saw the picture. no, Giselle says to her, I saw the picture of you in LA when you were half naked and I noticed that you didn't have your ring on. And she's like, Yeah, we're

Kelli (04:41.019)
By the way, I know that there's airbrushing and filters and AI, but Karen's body is pretty bangin' for a lady of her age. for a lady of any age, shall I say? Bangin'. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (04:50.004)
I agree. She looked amazing. Yeah. Yeah, no, she looked great. I totally agree. I totally agree. She's like,

I I noticed your ring was missing and she's like, Yeah, we you know they've grown apart and Giselle's like, Well, after thirty years, like you all wouldn't like why like why are you giving up after thirty years, basically? And Karen says, Listen, I'm not de I'm not being defensive, but it's none of your effing business.

Kelli (05:26.971)
Hmm. That's a little defensive.

Wendy (05:28.642)
I mean

It's a lot defensive. I mean, both Giselle and and Ashley are like, what are you talking about? This is totally defensive. I mean it's a valid question. I mean, they've been together thirty years. You go to jail and he stands by you and you come out. Come on, Karen.

Kelli (05:33.539)
Pretty defensive reaction.

Yeah.

Kelli (05:51.013)
Well, I'm starting to believe the old blue eyes is really a thing.

Wendy (05:56.344)
Well

Kelli (05:57.316)
And she w sh just went and served some time and she's like, you know what? I'm not wasting any more time with this facade or whatever, you know, even though I love Ray. I think Ray's solid, so she's gonna probably regret it like Vicky did. We'll see.

Wendy (06:14.274)
Yeah. So then she starts asking about Tia 'cause she really didn't get to meet Tia and she wants to get in get to know her. they they both admit that neither one of them have spoken to Wendy since the reunion and that Wendy's trial is in a couple weeks. I think that that's

Kelli (06:32.025)
And Ashley makes a comment about Tia's husband that there's more than meets the eye.

Wendy (06:38.84)
She says that to Karen as well.

Kelli (06:41.187)
It was either in her confessional or she said it to Karen at the table. It was at that time.

Wendy (06:43.766)
Mm.

Wendy (06:47.542)
Okay. So next we see Stacey's meeting up with Wendy. She shows up in her new Mercedes, which which she is calling her Psalm ninety one. I didn't look up what Psalm ninety one is, but

Kelli (07:04.315)
She read part of it.

Wendy (07:06.698)
well, she said one of my favorite lines is this part of Psalm? Call on me and I will answer. I will be with him in trouble, honor him, and deliver him. Is that part of Psalm 91? It must be. Okay. So she said she's still trying to process everything and happened. If you and your husband are e arrested, indicted on fraud and faking a

Kelli (07:18.053)
I think so.

Wendy (07:35.064)
Burglary and all this other crazy stuff. Are you rolling up in a brand new Mercedes?

Kelli (07:42.949)
I am not

Wendy (07:44.726)
And calling it a biblical verse.

Kelli (07:47.44)
Nope. This is how this is how the delusional these housewives get though. Like they don't they can't see the optics from the outside. This is such a bad look. Go get yourself a Honda, girl. Like, what are you doing?

Wendy (07:49.27)
I mean

Wendy (08:04.926)
Mm-hmm. Maybe even a Hyundai. Maybe show up in a Hyundai. No offense to Hyundai, but Yeah. And then you're calling it Psalm ninety one?

Kelli (08:09.398)
Yeah, something. But a G Wagon?

Kelli (08:17.433)
Right. Like don't make this don't make this religious 'cause that's a joke.

Wendy (08:21.034)
No. No. And no. It's actually I feel like it's it's it's sacrilegious, to be quite honest with you.

Kelli (08:28.079)
Yeah, like you can't afford your life because if you could afford your life, you wouldn't have ripped off your insurance company. I mean, that's a wild, wild thing. I'm I'm telling you, Eddie's gonna take the fall for it all. She is gonna be the Teresa of this situation. He's gonna take the fall for it all, but she knew every nook and cranny, and this is probably why his family didn't like her.

Wendy (08:35.054)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (08:54.747)
He probably they probably thought shit he can't he can't afford this woman. And now look, and her mother and her sister

Wendy (09:03.158)
Wendy (09:06.506)
Yeah. So Wendy does say that Stacy and Tia have showed up for her in ways that the other women haven't. I I probably I I could see where that would happen. We find out.

Kelli (09:19.737)
Yeah, I mean listen, Stacy's gonna Stacy's gonna be a good friend to anybody who allows her to be a good friend because Giselle's not gonna stop coming for her, which means Ashley's not gonna stop coming for her. So Stacy's gonna be like, You need me? I got you.

Wendy (09:29.506)
Yep. Right.

Wendy (09:36.343)
Yep. And Stacy was around for Karen, right? Karen met Stacy. Yeah. Yeah. So yes, I agree with that. So then we find out that Timo has moved back in with Stacy and it is like they are a family of three again. And I think we find out later in the season that they actually get remarried and we're gonna see it.

Kelli (09:40.835)
Yes. Yes, Karen just Stacy.

Kelli (10:01.051)
I think I think we do see that get them get remarried.

Wendy (10:04.064)
Right. So they get remarried. So they are really back together. Like I don't think they're doing that for the show. I don't think they're doing that. Right. Ex exactly. Exactly. Yeah, I agree. I agree.

Kelli (10:09.327)
I hope not because they have a daughter involved. So you know, that would be really sad. A young daughter.

Wendy (10:20.968)
And so when Tia shows up, so I I I totally forgot this. So Stacey and Tia were not in a good space last season. And Wendy wants them to get along. So she's wants to try and mediate between the two of them. So Tia apologizes to Stacy for saying that, you know, that she carried up at what she thinks is important is how the two of them can support each other. Because she had made some comments about

Stacy and her marriage and the whole situation. And

Wendy said, listen, I saw Ashley for who she was. And when she made those remarks, when she saw it was happening to me, like Tia was there for Wendy, which she was. Tia was definitely there for her. So we also you know, they also bring up about Ashley was speaking the T on stage about Tia's husband. So that's when Stacy says, like.

Kelli (11:09.103)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (11:23.786)
I do know what Ashley was talking about.

S I I mean, people are coming for Stacy saying that she wasn't she shouldn't have been the person that told Tia because Tia didn't know. Tia I I really believe that Tia did not know that her husband was on dating apps. Do you think she knew?

Kelli (11:48.902)
Well, I struggled with this because you know I'm a you know, I'm very skeptical. And I I feel like men can cheat and get away with it. I feel like a married man being on a dating site is something different though. Was he did he was you was he using a fake name or was he using if he was using his real name and he was on a dating site, I find it hard to believe that she didn't know.

Wendy (11:55.117)
I know you are.

Kelli (12:19.205)
She's she's in real estate, she's online all the time. I don't know. I just feel like that's something. I don't know. I just struggle with it. I don't, I like, I really like Tia. so okay, so say she didn't know. Like, what is wrong with Stacy saying? If they're bringing up this Ashley thing and Stacy knows what Ashley was talking about, and Stacy's reason for knowing is completely valid. Listen, I got DMs about this.

Wendy (12:19.96)
Well why would she? I mean

Kelli (12:48.345)
So I know damn well everybody else got DMs about it. I didn't say it, I'm not gonna be the one to say it, but you know what? She already put it out there and this woman's sitting in front of me and I'm trying to get into a better place with her and I know what Ashley's talking about. Fuck yeah, I'm gonna tell her Ashley's no friend to Stacy.

Wendy (12:50.654)
Exactly. Exactly.

Wendy (12:58.519)
Right.

Wendy (13:06.242)
Right, I totally agree. I don't think what's they think that Stacy should not have been the person to tell her. And I'm like, what are you talking about? Like Stacy absolutely was the person to tell her. And I honestly believe that Tia had no idea because even you know, we'll get there at the end. Like w even when she spoke to her husband about it, like he admitted it. And I read afterwards

Kelli (13:07.793)
Yeah, so what do people have beef with Stacy for about this?

Kelli (13:15.409)
Mm-mm.

Yeah.

Wendy (13:33.664)
She had to ask him to take it down. He didn't even take it down on his own. So there's definitely more going on there. And I don't know if it's that

I don't know. I really don't know. I don't I don't know. I feel bad for Tia though. I do, 'cause I I like her. I like her.

Kelli (13:52.612)
If she didn't know, I feel really, really, really I feel bad for her either way, 'cause either way, the guy was on a dating site, whether you knew it or not. So I feel bad for you in the respect that you don't have a you know, a loyal husband and a and a safe marriage.

Wendy (13:59.447)
Right. Right.

Wendy (14:09.518)
Mm.

Kelli (14:12.976)
I don't know.

Wendy (14:14.924)
I don't know either. And especially, you know, this was the other thing that got me is that when she said like in her confessional, you know, she feels like a deer in the headlights. she doesn't know if it's true. Her husband's not even on social media. my husband's not on social media. Yes, he's not on social media. Well, that's what that's what really threw her off because, you know

Kelli (14:30.779)
She said her husband's not on social media. Robert's not on social media, but he's on a dating site. Huh.

Wendy (14:39.85)
My husband's not on social media. I don't think my husband's on a dating site. I would never think he would be on a dating site. But I or maybe we

Kelli (14:41.817)
Right. Right. Maybe we should Google them. I feel like if you Google somebody who's on a dating site, do they just pop up on the dating site?

Wendy (14:49.96)
No, I think no, I think you have to go on the dating site. That's what I'm saying. Like the only way you're gonna know someone's on a dating site is if you're on the dating site, which is why Giselle said that she talked to Ashley about it, 'cause Ashley was on dating sites. And Ashley's like, well, no, actually I have not been on dating sites when the when it came up. Cause just I'm sh

Kelli (15:06.801)
I'm sure Ashley's on dating. I'm sure Ashley's on Raya waiting for that next paycheck. Ashley's on Raya.

Wendy (15:13.504)
Whatever. But right. But Giselle is saying that she's not on d I think the only way you know someone's on a dating site is if you're on the dating site. that's my thought. I don't know though, 'cause I'm not on a dating site. But I don't know. I feel bad for Tia. That's all I'm gonna say. I feel bad for Tia. She's like she says, she felt like a deer in the headlights. Her husband's not even on social media. And I like

Kelli (15:21.915)
Got it.

Kelli (15:25.851)
Got it.

Wendy (15:41.324)
I know that there are people out there that are not on social media and I don't think that Robert's the only one that's not, because like I said, my husband's not. I don't think he's on a dating site. But maybe when we're done I'm gonna ask him. I don't know that he'd be able to figure it out. I had to help him with the

Kelli (15:48.976)
Right. No, I don't think he is either. Everybody go home and ask your husbands if they're on a dating site 'cause apparently they're not gonna tell you unless you ask them. He's like, Well, I didn't lie to you. You never asked me before.

Wendy (15:58.2)
Yeah.

Yes, exactly. Exactly.

Right, right, right. 'Cause then he admitted he'd been on it for over a year. 'Cause he just wasn't feeling anything. He wasn't feeling like a connection or he wasn't feeling it. Well then you have a conversation. I don't know.

Kelli (16:15.707)
So or like did they not have sex for a year? Like do you did you not have sex with your husband for a year and then you're like, you're on a dating site? Well I n listen, I'm not saying I'm not saying that every man who d you know you know what I'm saying. But it's like if you're i if you're unless they are having sex and he but why would he say he wasn't feeling a connection?

Wendy (16:37.464)
Well, because maybe it listen, we did not see much of Robert when we met him, right, last season. I mean, she kind of made it seem like he was the chauffeur and the hired help. Right? Right. So she really didn't make him seem like he was her equal or that they were on the same level. So maybe he felt that. Maybe he f maybe he felt that, you know?

Kelli (16:42.596)
No, we didn't.

Kelli (16:48.557)
Yeah, he was like a nanny for her.

Kelli (17:01.891)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (17:05.772)
I don't know. We don't know enough about her. We certainly don't know anything about him, but this is where we're at with the whole situation. the next thing we see is two days later T is at her job and there's clients that are coming in. It turns out these clients happen to be this woman, Courtney, who she gets as a referral because she came in, I guess, looking for real estate because she's a realtor. And Courtney is married to

one of the coaches of the wizards. So Courtney invites Tia and anyone she wants to come to go watch the Wizards last home game. Well that sounds like fun. I would so be up for that, right?

Kelli (17:48.977)
So much fun. I would totally be up for that. Yep.

Wendy (17:53.205)
So that's how we are introduced to Courtney. I my initial reaction of Courtney is I like her, but there's, you know, that's just my yes, exactly. the next thing we see after that is Wendy and Eddie are they're walking and they're talking about everything that this happened and Wendy saying that she thought that she was at the height of her career.

Kelli (18:00.124)
Meet you.

Stay tuned.

Wendy (18:18.488)
Her and Eddie have separate legal teams. This is the darkest time in their marriage. Okay.

Kelli (18:22.981)
I love when she's like, I lo I lost everything. Well, if you did what they're alleging you did, you deserve to lose everything.

Wendy (18:32.812)
Right. And right. Exactly.

So then we see four days later they're at the Wizards Arena. We find out that Alex Courtney's married to Alexis. I don't even know how to pronounce his name, Ajinka. Ajinka. I never heard of him. he played basketball. He's now a coach. He is seven two. I told I told Andrew that. I think it was Andrew I told, 'cause you know, he's very much into basketball. Basketball season's coming up. He said, Everyone I know that is seven feet tall is dumb.

Kelli (18:48.902)
I don't know.

Kelli (18:55.673)
He's seven two. Crazy.

Kelli (19:02.735)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (19:08.322)
I said, well, who do you know that's seven feet tall? You know what he said? Shaquille O'Neal. I was like, well, he's probably the dumbest, probably multimillionaire I know. So exactly, exactly. anyway, we find out that she's gone all over traveling with him with him. He was playing basketball. They have two children together. Carter, age eleven, Caseen, age eight. Carter is almost six two at eleven.

Kelli (19:14.905)
Mm.

Kelli (19:18.991)
I was gonna say he ain't too dumb 'cause he's living large. Living large.

Wendy (19:38.54)
Which is crazy. I what is she? I mean, I think she's probably five two or five three. She is a tiny woman with her seven inch heels.

Kelli (19:39.963)
That's crazy.

Kelli (19:46.149)
That's like a an eleven year old being as tall as Joe.

Wendy (19:50.723)
I it's crazy. But when your dad is seven foot two, like and you think about it, like when Andrew said to me, like Shaq, like Shaq is big, like built like a brick house. This guy is not I mean, he's tall, but he's he's lean. He's not like a Shaq tall.

Kelli (19:52.027)
That's crazy.

Yeah, you still got a foot to go, bro.

Kelli (20:05.69)
Mm-hmm.

No, he's lean. He's lean.

Kelli (20:13.542)
Right.

Hopefully he can make some free throws.

Wendy (20:19.288)
I don't know. I I love basketball. I love anything basketball rela you do too. You're yeah. Basketball's your thing. so T is the first to arrive there.

Kelli (20:22.287)
Mm. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (20:34.238)
She, you know, she tells the producers that she has spoken to Rob, but she doesn't want to make a scene. And they'll talk about it at a later time. So she's not gonna, you know, she's not gonna reveal it there. Karen arrives next, and then Stacy and Stacy brings her friend Brittany. we find out, which I was very surprised to hear, that Courtney.

Did Cynthia Bailey's wedding in twenty twenty twenty twenty twenty one when she married Mike? I didn't know that she was like an event wedding planner.

Kelli (21:07.045)
Yeah.

Kelli (21:10.561)
No. And I mean, that's in Atlanta. Like unless unless she lived in Atlanta. I mean, she said her husband coached all over, so maybe he was, you know

Wendy (21:15.136)
Yes, yes.

Wendy (21:20.782)
Well he played. He played basketball. He was a a player. Yeah.

Kelli (21:23.161)
Yeah, so maybe he was down there playing or coaching or whatever. But yeah, I thought that was really interesting. So we saw her on Real Housewives of Atlanta.

Wendy (21:28.322)
I'm gonna have to listen to I'm gonna have to listen yeah, I'm gonna have to listen to Humble Bragg and see what Cynthia says because I'm sure she will bring it up.

Kelli (21:37.913)
I'm sure she will.

Wendy (21:39.771)
Ashley arrives next and she brought her friend Corey. Wendy shows up alone. Karen says we'll talk when you're ready.

Kelli (21:48.754)
Well she goes to give her a hug and Wendy just stands there like frozen. And Karen says I'm here to support you, so you're welcome. She really thinks who the fuck she is, Karen Huger.

Wendy (21:51.788)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (22:01.256)
she does. I mean she I mean she said it. She still thinks that she's the grand dame. She's she said it. I think it was on Watch What Happens Live. 'Cause Andy asked her. Right.

Kelli (22:08.933)
Meanwhile, when she was pretending to feel a certain way about this, she acted humbled and said, I think we're gonna retire that name. She is not humbled at all. Listen, cousin Gina is absolutely right. She is not humbled at all. She did not deserve to come back. Had she acted the way Shannon acted on OC after she had her incident? Okay. She is not acting that way. Even after even Teresa.

Wendy (22:14.125)
Yep.

Wendy (22:28.328)
Kelli (22:36.481)
Acted more humbled after getting out of the clink than this one is.

Wendy (22:40.92)
I agr I totally agree with you. I totally agree with you.

Kelli (22:42.617)
I mean this one acts like not like

Ain't no shame in her game.

Wendy (22:48.0)
I I mhm. Giselle arrives. Karen and Giselle are now making fun of Stacy because she's wearing a dress with her sneakers. All right, well there's nothing wrong with that. You're at a basketball game.

Kelli (23:04.405)
and at least they matched. I didn't hear anybody make fun of Robin when she walked in with two different completely with completely different prints on.

Wendy (23:14.862)
She's the last to show up and she says hi to Stacy first. It turns out that she met Stacy on the Ultimate Girls Trip, which I was surprised. So I kind

Kelli (23:25.407)
when they were down at when they were in Atlanta or

Wendy (23:28.672)
Atlanta. I think it was when they were in Atlanta. Which I actually like. I like that Robin got to meet Stacy on her own. Right. Right. Right. So we find out from Robin since we last saw her, she opened up her business Glow Thirty, which is a a facial every thirty days. So I guess it's like massage massages, but for facials, right?

Kelli (23:38.563)
on our own. Yes. I agree with that. I agree with that. Yes.

Kelli (23:56.432)
Like a s subscription, like a membership type of thing. Yeah.

Wendy (23:59.851)
Yeah, like a membership. Yeah. and she's still obviously we know she still has her podcast. Wendy says hi to Rob. Nope, nope, nope talk about that, which is fine. Which is fine. Wendy says hi to Robin, and she's like, my gosh, you got smaller. And Robin says, Well, it's the GLP one. And she's like, yeah, I can see it in your face. And Wendy's like, hers is Pilates. So Wendy's is Pilates.

Kelli (24:10.329)
Nothing about her fake husband Juan.

Kelli (24:29.711)
And stress.

Wendy (24:29.888)
And Robins Yes. And Robins is GLP one. And Karen is calling Robin Robert. Not really sure why. Do you know what that's about? Yeah, what is that about?

Kelli (24:32.657)
Yeah.

Kelli (24:42.435)
And saying she's paying her bills.

I have no idea. I have no idea. I'm hoping we get some clarification. But did you see how extra Giselle was being at that game? Like she was trying no yeah, Giselle just dancing in the aisle. Like she was Chloe Kardashing the shit out of that, trying to attract some kind of NBA money.

Wendy (24:51.885)
I mean she

Wendy (24:58.274)
With Karen? She was giving her a lap dance.

Wendy (25:05.23)
Mm.

Wendy (25:14.998)
I saw that. I definitely saw that.

Kelli (25:15.109)
Just any player who wants to take a yeah. She was trying to get that attention.

Wendy (25:21.558)
Yeah, I was like, what is going on? I did definitely saw that. Josh shows up a little bit late to see Ashley. I put down she's Ashley's bug boy toy from Love Hotel.

Kelli (25:24.038)
Yeah.

Kelli (25:35.899)
Did they did they say he worked there?

Wendy (25:40.926)
No. No, I didn't think so.

Kelli (25:42.094)
No? I thought somebody said he works here. Cause then he was like, I didn't wanna you know, I didn't wanna not say hello and then he's like, All right, I'll see you guys later and left. I'm like, is he there to watch the game? Did he just show up to say hi? Does he really work there? I thought somebody said he worked there.

Wendy (25:58.285)
I might I might have missed that. I don't know. I didn't get that. I didn't write that down. I might have missed it. It is weird. So after the game, they go to a place called Dirty Habit and Wendy calls out it is a cute name. Wendy calls out Ashley about something she said about Tia and she wants her to clarify it. Tia says she had an overwhelming

Kelli (26:04.251)
Weird.

Kelli (26:11.013)
Very cute name for a bar, by the way.

Wendy (26:23.99)
And she said, look of I don't even know how to pronounce it, Schadenfraud? Shadenfraud. And Ashley's like, What what does that mean? So it's when somebody takes a lot of glee out of somebody else's misfortune, which is what Ashley does. I guess it's German. It's it's 100% what she does. And she says that to her, and Ashley's like, Well, what

Kelli (26:26.769)
Shoot shouting fraud.

Kelli (26:42.609)
Absolutely.

Yes.

Wendy (26:50.886)
I was reacting to was something that I had just seen. And Giselle admits that she's the one who gave the information to Ashley. Which we knew that that happened, right? Because Giselle said I gave it to her. and it's a verified account, they said too. I gave it to her because she's the one who goes on dating sites.

Kelli (27:12.069)
Listen, people, if you if you didn't think Giselle was the worst before, how do you not think she is the worst now? That's Tia's friend, who's been cheated on by her husband when she had children. And instead of going to her friend and saying, I saw this. Do what you want with it, she went to her other friend and was like, Girl, look at this.

Wendy (27:23.414)
Right. Right.

Wendy (27:35.362)
Brings it to Ashley.

Wendy (27:39.532)
Yep. Who put it out on stage when she was drunk in a public forum?

Wendy (27:48.557)
So

And you know, Tia says that. Listen, I got this brought to my attention by someone who actually wasn't even my friend. We had beef, her and Stacy, and they did. So you are supposed to be my friend, and you don't even give me this information. And then Wendy says to Giselle, the only reason we know Tia is because of you. And that's true. Giselle brought Tia on the show.

And Stacy says it's about having a moral compass. When Stacy has is the one who has to tell someone it's about having a moral compass, like you know it's bad. And Giselle said, Well, I wanted to find out if it was true. What? That's bullshit.

Kelli (28:36.431)
I loved when Wendy goes, Why, who's she, Steve Jobs?

Wendy (28:40.203)
Ha ha ha

Kelli (28:43.547)
That was so funny. May he rest in peace.

Wendy (28:48.632)
And then Robin says, my God, there's so much going on in this room right now. Karen is over there sundown sundowning. And literally she was lightly snoring.

Kelli (28:57.617)
Seriously, I don't wanna say she was dozing.

Wendy (29:01.624)
She was She was sleeping.

Kelli (29:03.107)
Or nodding out. But that's what people do when they're on pills. I'm not saying it, but I'm just saying.

Wendy (29:18.296)
So then Tia says to Ashley, like what was going on that you felt the need to make this public? Ashley said, Well, it pissed me off. I was very mad at him. What the hell do you know about him? Why are you mad at him?

Kelli (29:28.335)
Yeah, I right.

Wendy (29:31.158)
She's like, I'm so sick of these like I'm so sick of these men doing this to us. Us? What are you talking about? Are you kidding me? Come on.

Kelli (29:40.388)
And and y yeah, Ashley, you did go through it yourself and it was all public. Wouldn't you try to prevent your friend from going through that? When Courtney was like trying to make it like, you know, Ashley was like felt bad or whatever, everybody was like, No, no, no, no, no, no. Like Wendy and Stacey were like, No, no, that's Ashley don't feel bad. She does not feel bad.

Wendy (30:02.452)
No, Ashley does not feel bad. She's like, you know, Ashley said, if I could go back and do it over, I would do it very different. She said, at this point, I'm just tired of men embarrassing us. Well, actually, it was you. You're the one who but Tia said, You're the one who made it public. And she is the one who made it public. So then Giselle said, So it's true. And Tia said, that's the conversation I'm gonna have with my friends. I love when she said that. I loved when she said that.

Kelli (30:19.247)
Right. Right.

Kelli (30:28.727)
Uhhuh. I loved it. Yep.

Wendy (30:32.394)
I loved it. And Robin said, Can I say something real quick? Like you all are my girls, but sometimes you have to put yourself in the other person's shoes. And that is the first time. Cause listen, Robin's been through it many times with Juan, right? How would how would you want this to be handled? And Giselle said, Well, just so you know, we're not gonna talk about this on the podcast. great. Cause we're great, we're already doing it.

Kelli (30:46.639)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (30:58.595)
Right. Thanks. Thanks for that solid.

Wendy (31:01.942)
We're already doing it on Real Housewives of Potomac, but we're not gonna talk about it on the podcast. Thank you, Giselle.

Kelli (31:05.057)
Ha ha ha.

Wendy (31:10.86)
And then Wendy jumps in and is like, well then like why why would you talk about me in the podcast multiple times? Like and Giselle said, Well, you wanted us not to talk and what's all over social media. You wanted us to not talk about what was all over social media? Yes, I did. If you're my friend. Like if you're my friend, you're not gonna talk about this. If you're just there to get

Kelli (31:17.521)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (31:30.489)
Right.

Kelli (31:34.107)
There's certain things we don't talk about and we don't even know these people. We're not talking about the KJ Beerman thing. I don't want to talk about that. You don't want to talk about that. We're not talking about it. You can very easily not talk about it, especially when you're friends with the person who's going through it.

Wendy (31:39.935)
no. Nope. Nope. We are not talking about it. Nope. No. There's certain things we don't talk about. Mm-hmm.

Because if you are talking about it and you are friends with the person, there's only one reason you're doing it. And it's for money. It's it. It's the only reason you're doing it.

Kelli (31:56.658)
Mm hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep. Especially for them who are actually getting paid to do their podcast.

Wendy (32:05.056)
Right. Yeah. 'Cause we're not getting paid. Like I know.

Kelli (32:07.333)
We're not.

We really have nothing to lose, people.

Wendy (32:13.898)
No, we don't. We really don't. But it's it's it's about having integrity. It's about integrity. And that's what Tia was trying to explain. This is all about integrity. And so was Stacey, believe it or not. Like this is about integrity. Like just do the right thing because it's the right thing.

Kelli (32:18.605)
Exactly. Exactly.

Kelli (32:26.607)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

Right.

Wendy (32:36.391)
Kelli (32:37.627)
Wendy says how you treat me will dictate how people treat you when it comes for you. And she is so right.

Wendy (32:45.614)
Mm.

Kelli (32:48.653)
And and Wendy also said if Robin were in my shoes, you wouldn't be joking about it. And that's one hundred percent true. If Robin were going through what and listen, again, if Wendy's guilty, this is and I really like Wendy and Eddie. But if Wendy and Eddie are guilty of this, it's really an effed up thing they did. And I don't think Robin would ever do anything like that. But

Wendy (32:56.75)
Yeah.

Kelli (33:14.393)
I see what Wendy's point is. If your friend were going through something like this, you would never

Wendy (33:16.632)
But Jelle Right. Giselle admits it. She said, she said, Giselle said this is true. You're right. If Robin was going through this, I w we wouldn't talk about it. And that's exactly the point. And you know what? We we all agree, whatever's going on between Wendy and Eddie, it is effed up. But the people on her immediate cast should not be the people talking about it. Let me talk about it. Let husbands watching housewives talk about it. Let

Kelli (33:23.333)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Kelli (33:36.815)
Yeah, it really is.

Wendy (33:45.603)
Bravo bros talk about it. Let page six talk about it. There's plenty of people to talk about it. It doesn't have to be you. We will not think any less of your podcast. Actually, we will think more of your podcast because you're not a shitty person. That's all. It's about integrity. It's all about integrity.

Kelli (33:47.141)
Yep. Yep.

Kelli (34:00.666)
Exactly. Exactly. Yep.

Wendy (34:06.914)
so then Karen, my gosh. Tia says to Karen, stay with us. She's like, I'm lost. I've been in this room for over an hour with yelling. I was in solitude for the last six months. I was very peaceful. Karen said, I'm listening to you all going back and forth and yelling, and we're accomplishing absolutely nothing, which I totally agree with. She said, Okay.

Kelli (34:31.631)
I gr I agree with her. I just can't believe she was paying that much attention during her slumber.

Wendy (34:37.418)
She said, Okay, this is a fresh start, Karen said, even for Robert, which means Robin. And every time she says Robert, like everything she's referring to Robin.

Wendy (34:50.656)
And then Giselle says, I can't I can't like why do you keep calling her that? Like, should we call you Carl?

Karen's like, Well, for this moment we're calling her Robert, but I can't pr she said, I'm gonna stop calling you that for this moment, but I can't promise I won't do it again.

Okay, Karen. All right. All right.

Kelli (35:10.139)
So crazy.

Wendy (35:19.404)
So Tia says to Wendy and Stacy, like th the rest of them leave and then Tia's you know, she talks to Wendy and Stacey. She says, You're all wondering what happened. Stacy said, Yeah, what happened? She's like, Well, I waited until I put the twins down and I said, Are you on dating apps? And he paused and he said, Yeah. And then like I said, I I saw that she said that she had to ask him to take it down.

Which is crazy.

Kelli (35:45.849)
We're gonna see that.

Wendy (35:48.61)
I think we might actually.

Wendy (35:54.253)
So then Karen is on Watch What Happens Live. Did you watch it? So it was Karen and Laura Coates, who's on CNN, who I don't really know. And Andy asked, like, what was your reaction to the news that Tia's husband was on dating apps? Karen's answer was, I think Stacy is AI.

Wendy (36:17.142)
Wendy (36:21.422)
She wants to know what her reaction is to Wendy and Eddie having separate legal teams. She said it's not good because they don't have a joint defense. She asked this to Laura Coates, not to Karen, who is a CNN. Yeah. Yeah. No, no. She asked he asked Laura Coates. it's not good because they don't have a joint defense and they don't have a united front, which I totally agree with. do you think Giselle should have talked to Tia directly instead of Ashley, Laura?

Kelli (36:33.233)
I was gonna say, well Karen he's smart enough to answer that question.

Kelli (36:44.069)
Totally agree with that.

Wendy (36:50.997)
And Karen both said yes.

Andy asked Karen, what is the biggest lesson you learned in the slammer? You ready for this? To be accountable.

Kelli (37:03.601)
right.

Kelli (37:08.517)
Who was teaching that c was teaching that class? Pinocchio? That's a joke.

Wendy (37:12.266)
I don't know. The next thing is what is I know. What is the biggest lesson you've learned in the slamp? no. When you look around at your life today, what makes you feel the most gratitude? She said, When I live my life, I'm authentic, I'm happy, I'm healthy, and I'm grateful. And she didn't say this, but you are full of shit.

Kelli (37:34.149)
totally full of shit and how about your kids, asshole? How about your kids?

Wendy (37:37.782)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (37:41.071)
And the man who stood by your side the whole time.

Wendy (37:43.822)
Poor Ray, if you could go back in time and tell yourself one thing the night before you began your sentence, what would it be? Get help sooner.

Wendy (37:56.844)
Okay.

Kelli (37:57.756)
Well for somebody who doesn't think she has a problem.

Wendy (38:05.046)
He said, Do you regret not watching the video? No, because I could not have watched it without my therapist with me. I didn't know that woman.

Kelli (38:16.721)
She acts like she's a different person.

Wendy (38:19.47)
Do you regret not taking the plea deal? Yes.

Kelli (38:20.861)
the video of her getting arrested that night? I don't think I could watch it either.

Wendy (38:26.838)
Well, she should have watched it, because then she may have taken the plea deal. Because then the next question was, do you regret not taking the plea deal? Well, you didn't watch the video, but she says no, because I would not have been as accountable as I am. You were not accountable. You should have watched the video. Then you would have taken the plea deal. You could have watched the video with your therapist there, because that's how that can work. I mean, stop being stupid. Okay.

Kelli (38:31.514)
Yeah, that's true.

Kelli (38:43.867)
You're not.

Wendy (38:56.268)
You mentioned that Ray may not like the woman that you've become become since coming home. What in particular were you referring to? She says I'm definitely a new person. Once you're well, you see things clearer and it's different. I've been married thirty years. Karen said, Well, if we make it. And he said if we make it, Karen said yeah, stay tuned.

Kelli (39:23.889)
Another one just grasping, grasping.

Wendy (39:27.7)
Are you still retiring the name the Grand Dam? I've learned that I can retire it as much as I want, but there's still people out there that love me as the Grand Dam or Grand Damme, whatever. So I can rise to the occasion. Okay, Karen. You're you are full of shit.

Kelli (39:46.929)
So full of shit. She I mean, she thinks who she is.

Wendy (39:53.071)
So there was other questions, I didn't write them down, like do you still are you still in touch with some of the people? And she is, she sees them when they reach out to her. But she did not learn anything. She is not being accountable. She is not she is not admitting to her faults. And my heart goes out to Ray, to be quite honest with you.

Kelli (40:06.16)
No growth.

Kelli (40:15.269)
Yeah, me too.

Me too.

Wendy (40:19.756)
Because sh Yeah.

Kelli (40:22.105)
I'm glad I didn't watch it now, quite honestly.

Wendy (40:24.716)
Well yeah.

Yeah, I mean I don't know.

Kelli (40:28.047)
I would have been infuriated. Robin didn't bother me as much as I thought she was going to, but let's see, it's still early. I think she is just a friend of though, right? Is she in that picture?

Wendy (40:37.164)
Yes. No, she's just a friend of

Kelli (40:39.875)
Okay. I kind of feel like Karen should have been brought back as a friend of

Wendy (40:41.656)
Courtney's full time.

Wendy (40:47.096)
Yeah. I agree.

Kelli (40:47.673)
I feel like they should have eased us into Karen being back, given the circumstances.

Wendy (40:54.126)
So everything I've heard about Robin, although she is a friend of I think even Andy said this, she is in a lot of scenes. They pretty much invited her to everything. So I think the advantage you get, and I I listen, I think that this is a good thing for Robin. I think an advantage you get for being a friend of is you don't have to talk so much about your own personal life. You don't have to talk about Juan, you don't have to talk about your children. Right? We don't have to see those interactions. And I think that that will work for her.

Kelli (41:14.16)
Right.

Kelli (41:23.589)
Yeah, I think so too.

Wendy (41:23.858)
And I know people, you know, like Cynthia Bailey's is the best example I can think of, who loves the friend of role, who made it who made it great. I think Kathy Hilton, I think Jennifer Tilley. I think these are all great friend of. And I think that Robin could be a good friend of on Potomac. You know?

Kelli (41:30.673)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (41:35.089)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (41:41.647)
Yeah, you're right.

Wendy (41:45.895)
I I would like Giselle to be a friend of because

Kelli (41:48.238)
I would love Giselle to be a friend of. That would be so sweet if they demoted her to that. And I you know, I it is it is a demotion. You can't say it's not. But like you said, like some people really embrace it and make it a good thing.

Wendy (41:59.074)
No, you can't.

Wendy (42:04.834)
Yeah, because it gives you the opportunity like Chris Cynthia said this many times, like she was able to do she still is. She does so many other things. You know, she's been acting, she does so many other things because her schedule doesn't have to be as rigid. When you were on the cast full time, you have to be it to everything.

Kelli (42:12.561)
Right.

Kelli (42:23.727)
Yep. Yep. Speaking of acting, cousin Gina sent us something on where was it from?

Wendy (42:26.23)
So I

Kelli (42:36.293)
TikTok. Giselle Bryant is gonna be in a show. I don't feel like playing it right now, but

Wendy (42:43.385)
I didn't even watch it. I saw that she sent it. I didn't watch it. I was

Kelli (42:46.223)
It's like a limited series show online. and I didn't even say where you could find it, but

Wendy (42:53.112)
So I was gonna send you guys something. I just saw on like Newsweek from the White House. You know, Teresa and Gia were at the White House on Columbus Day. And it's been like all over social media. A White House representative, I do not remember her name, but it was in Newsweek or USA T one of the it like in a a reputable news outlet that she was there because she was invited yeah. She was invited by the president and his wife.

Kelli (43:15.087)
If there are any left.

Wendy (43:21.614)
for Columbus Day celebration for Italian Americans. this y well yes, because she's Italian.

Kelli (43:24.987)
Who Teresa was?

Wendy (43:31.159)
It was Columbus Day.

Kelli (43:33.007)
I know, I'm just kinda surprised to hear that she was inv I I believe it. I'm just kinda surprised out of everybody who could be invited to the White House for Columbus Day for being Italian Americans in this country, that's who he chose.

Wendy (43:37.346)
This is what like so this is right.

Wendy (43:45.113)
But the but the article but the article was about the pardon for Joe. That's what the that's what the crux of the article was about, right? Was the about a pardon for Joe, a possible pardon. So this White House representative said that that is not what she was there for, but this particular White House representative has been friends with Teresa.

Here it is. Okay. Trump official gives update on Joe Judici's pardon. Newsweek it was.

Wendy (44:31.704)
Can I find the link? Anyway, basically what she said, I'm gonna I'm gonna summarize it. That she believes in second chances. She works at the White House. She's had many second chances herself. She's personally friends with the DJs. She's been at their house in New Jersey many times. She believes that Joe deserves a second chance, but she is not the one that makes those decisions. What was that? Yeah.

Kelli (44:54.513)
Did you hear that?

Wendy (44:58.669)
What was that?

Kelli (44:59.643)
I have no idea.

Wendy (45:04.322)
What was it outside your house? Was it inside your house?

Kelli (45:06.661)
I have no idea.

Wendy (45:10.03)
Do do you want to check?

Kelli (45:13.999)
Yeah, just the we'll finish.

Wendy (45:16.854)
All right. so she believes in second chances 'cause she's had many. She knows the Judices. There's a whole process for a pardon. She doesn't get get to make the decision. And basically what it says, even if he does get pardon, Joe, and also he's got a daughter, Melania, who needs him very much, which is very true. Even if he does get pardons, that does not grant him citizenship. There's still a path for him.

Because as a convicted person there's no path for you to become a citizen. So there would still be a path for him to become a citizen, but it's still a whole process. I like this I like that something was put out that was official from the White House. So because it's out there. I mean, we know that Joe put it out there in twenty twenty five. He sent in his official, you know, requesting a pardon. Trump has pardoned

The Chryslies. So he has pardoned reality TV stars before. And that would get rid of his record. Still wouldn't make him a citizen. And but it would get him closer to be able to be coming back to this country. And I believe Melania does need him here. I believe his daughter does need him in this country. So that's the update on that. That's all I gotta say.

Kelli (46:44.261)
Listen, I think that Joe should get pardoned. I think he should be allowed back in the United States. I think he should be watched very carefully and, you know, should have who should have to check in with someone and you know work a legitimate job and, you know, file taxes appropriately and you know, nobody be handing him a mortgage, you know, obviously. But I don't know, man. these these politicians

Wendy (46:52.462)
Yeah.

Wendy (46:59.928)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (47:05.9)
Right. Right.

Listen, he i there was no violent crimes committed. There was no violent crimes.

Kelli (47:13.083)
There's no violent crimes. These politicians are doing way worse. Way, way, way worse. Both sides, I don't care what side you're on, both sides are doing way worse. So

Wendy (47:18.824)
such such a fact. Yes, such a fact, yeah.

Wendy (47:25.888)
I totally agree. I agree. So let us know what your thoughts are. Any of our listeners or watchers, what do you think? Do you think that Joe should be pardoned and be able to get a path back to become a citizen so that he can be here for Melania? I personally think it would be very instrumental in Melania's recovery. And she was out there. She put out her own post about her mental health. She gave us her diagnosis.

Which I give this girl at twenty years old a lot of credit because she doesn't have to do that. She doesn't have to do it.

Kelli (48:00.911)
No. And listen, she grew up on camera with a very dysfunctional dysfunctional situation at home. So it's no wonder things are going on that are going on.

Wendy (48:09.484)
Yeah. It is no wonder. So let us know what you think and please give us five star reviews and thank you for watching. Bye.

Kelli (48:19.057)
Bye.