RHONY S16 E6 Recap: Sai Exposes Erin’s Secrets & Jessel’s Marriage Drama

Lori (00:01.138)
Hi, welcome to EYM Whenever. Lori.

Wendy (00:05.343)
Wendy.

Kelli (00:06.508)
And I'm Kelly.

Lori (00:07.75)
And tonight we're talking about Real Housewives in New York City. But I didn't write down the number of the episode or the name. Okay.

Kelli (00:16.278)
It's season sixteen, episode six, Mosquito Madness.

Lori (00:21.786)
Okay, great. There you go. All right, so we're on our second day on the island, and we just have some filler scenes. Cy and Haley meet up for coffee. Jessel is spritzing her face. and then we have a scene with Erica where Anchor is texting her asking how it's going. And then then we have the scene with Daisy getting up in the morning.

This beautiful beautiful home on a beautiful tropical island and she starts bitching because there's no one there to serve her coffee.

Kelli (01:03.544)
To make her coffee.

Wendy (01:03.827)
And she can't figure out how. She can't figure out how to make the machine work either. So that's also part of her problem.

Kelli (01:12.238)
I mean, this poor girl. My heart my heart breaks for her.

Lori (01:12.348)
And I I know. Yes, yes. And she loves she lives such a luxurious life at home that this is very foreign to her to make a cup of coffee. I love how production like she said hello and then production like zoomed out onto the whole island and did hello, hello, a big echo. It's really cute. I like that.

Kelli (01:22.328)
Right.

Right.

Lori (01:40.242)
Yes, she has to make your own coffee. And then in her confessional, she goes on to further insult Erica and says, you know, that a Marriott is four stars, and then compares Erica's home to like a bonvoy, which is like a bonvoy is like the real lower end of Marriott. But like the l like the kind of low budget, plain Marriott is a bonvoy.

Wendy (02:01.459)
Is a Marriott. Marriott. Yeah. So

Kelli (02:09.57)
Man did she fall off.

Wendy (02:10.173)
It's interest she really did because on social media, like she's trying to correct her wrongs and saying, you know, I she's call first of all, she's calling it a hot mic moment that they were whispering. That is that is not a hot mic moment. No, no. That is that is not what that is. That's right.

Kelli (02:31.734)
No. There was a camera right in front of her face. She knew she was in that scene filming with Eren. Where Lisa Barlow probably legit forgot she was Mike'd. She was out of the scene. Right. Right.

Lori (02:38.526)
There's cameras all over.

Wendy (02:43.805)
Well, she was at a closed door. Right. Closed door. Mm-hmm. So she's calling it a hot mic moment. She's trying to say she's saying that Martha wouldn't would not say that and that she it's just bullshit. It's absolutely bullshit. Instead of just owning it and saying, you know what? I said it and I really was in a bad mood. I mean, she's blaming it on the travel. They traveled for 17 hours. Maybe if

Lori (02:50.215)
Unbelievable.

Kelli (03:00.408)
Did you guys see?

Wendy (03:11.815)
Ma listen, maybe you said, you know what, I own it. I I shouldn't have said it. We were traveling seventeen hours. I was totally wrong. Just leave it at that.

Kelli (03:19.778)
Yep. No, she's defending herself. And on the Today show, I forget the lovely young lady who Jenna Bush is with, but okay. So Martha Stewart was on and they asked her about Daisy. And she's like I forget how they worded it, but they were like, So how do you think Daisy's do they said like Daisy's been with you forever and I think she said fifteen years or you know, whatever.

Wendy (03:29.831)
Chanel Jones, I love her.

Lori (03:46.163)
Mm.

Wendy (03:46.293)
Mm.

Kelli (03:46.562)
And they were like, So how do you think she's doing as the new housewife of New York? She's like, she's horrible.

Lori (03:51.218)
Yeah. You gotta love Martha. You gotta love it.

Wendy (03:55.83)
This is why Martha should be the housewife. This is why we love Martha.

Kelli (03:59.651)
And and when Daisy had the face mask on and she calls Mart Martha and she's like, it's burning, but I'm scared to take it off. Now, I'm no makeup artist or skincare expert. I just play one in my head, but I know that my skin can be sensitive to some things. So if I put a mask on and it starts to burn, you take it off.

Lori (03:59.909)
God, yes. god, yes.

Lori (04:22.452)
Well this is the thing. You're at you're on a television show. Don't don't like put something on your face that you haven't used before.

Kelli (04:32.502)
Right. Do a patch test. Do something. 'Cause it wasn't like a a sheet mask, it was like a c like a bomb that she put on. Do a patch test, Daisy. Where'd you go to school, Daisy?

Wendy (04:37.427)
And and by the way, d Right.

Wendy (04:44.521)
Did you notice also that Martha said Martha said happy Easter. She was calling her on Easter.

Kelli (04:51.884)
Yeah, I did notice that.

Wendy (04:54.313)
Which I thought was interesting. And like you said, it wasn't just like a patch mask. Like she put this on her skin 'cause she's like, What's that brown stuff on your face? Yeah.

Lori (05:00.222)
Why would you do that?

Kelli (05:05.667)
What's the matter, Laura?

Wendy (05:06.077)
Not a fan of Daisy.

Lori (05:07.012)
None. I'm just shit. I just did something I wasn't supposed to

Wendy (05:12.213)
What's the matter?

Kelli (05:14.134)
I'm not a fan of Daisy either.

Lori (05:17.948)
Yeah, so and then she okay. So then she she calls Martha and of course Martha says, the home is beautiful. Blah blah.

Kelli (05:28.716)
Right. N in Martha's own words, she did not say it was a dump.

Wendy (05:34.589)
No, she said it was no, when she showed her her view, she's like, my gosh, that's fabulous or magnificent or whatever she said. Yes, yes, that's it. That's it. Yep.

Lori (05:39.942)
I wish I was there. I wish I was there, she said.

And then then we see Haley comes out and knows the staff's first name, which I thought was lovely, says hello to Sabrina. By the way, Sabrina, we loved you. She was the best. And Jessel then sits with Cy and asks, you know, what did she miss because she left early the night before. and then Jessel goes on and on about how her outfit that she has on is couture. And then

Wendy (05:57.93)
Yes.

Lori (06:15.73)
Carol flashes Daisy. I was like, okay. Because I know, but it was still funny. I was like there was a lot of flashing going on. Haley

Wendy (06:20.575)
Well that was an accident because of the wind.

Kelli (06:26.872)
Well, I l I liked when Haley walked up and saw who was sitting there and was like, and backed up and then she was like, I'm not wearing any underwear 'cause I really thought she was gonna be like, I ain't sitting with you bitches.

Lori (06:37.426)
Yeah.

Wendy (06:37.981)
Yeah, n yeah, but the wind and she it she said, I'm not wearing any underwear, which apparently Carol wasn't either.

Kelli (06:44.982)
Yeah. underwear was not was totally optional on this trip.

Lori (06:45.236)
Right. Well optional on this trip. So Erin says Jessel is Googling her and then Carl says, Well, if you Google me, it's a shit show. It says the you know, the Epcene files. And you know, k and then Carol d she does some shit too. Like when her egg order comes, she was like bitching about you know what you all you bitches can just go home.

Wendy (06:48.341)
It was optional, yeah.

Kelli (07:12.088)
Well

But the best part about that scene was that they flashed back to the scene with with Carol and Tinsley, where she was giving that egg order because it was so ridiculous. But at least she acknowledged that it was ridiculous, you know. That's one thing about Carol, like she's very self aware.

Lori (07:18.92)
Right, with her, with her eggs.

Lori (07:26.718)
Convoluted.

Wendy (07:28.805)
It's very specific.

Lori (07:31.006)
Right.

Right. And then we see no good.

Kelli (07:35.97)
But but let's take note. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, but she brought up the Epstein Files because when she said, Don't Google me right now, it's a shit show. I just automatically thought of the love story thing. And I was like, that's like this is really bothering her. I didn't I didn't even clock it that it was about the Epson. So she brought this up. She brought it to the table.

Lori (07:49.177)
I knew where she I knew where she was going with that.

Lori (07:57.268)
Absolutely. Absolutely. And 'cause she I listen, all this stuff kinda has to be spoken of ahead of time 'cause you know that you know it's coming up. So

Wendy (08:08.499)
You know it's coming up.

Lori (08:15.964)
With the whole

I don't know, with the whole th interaction between Carol and Cy, I wanna know what your thoughts on were on it. Do you think s you don't

Kelli (08:29.43)
I don't think Cy did anything wrong.

Wendy (08:31.889)
I think Cy was a hundred per I think Cy was a hundred percent valid with her questions. And I think

Lori (08:37.662)
But I don't ha I don't have any problem. I don't have any problem with the questions. I do have a problem kind of with her approach. And I understand because I am from New Jersey, I can be loud, I can be very direct, I can be possibly at some times maybe just a little bit aggressive. But I think that

You can blame some of that on where she grew up, her nationality, how she is. This is just her as a person. But if that were me, I would not have appreciated that approach. I would have been like, I would have been like, you know what? I didn't really sign up to be interviewed by you. If you want to talk about this to me in a, you know.

Wendy (09:19.157)
A hundred percent.

Lori (09:33.66)
In a little more relaxed manner, but I feel like you're coming at me and it's pissing me off. Like that's how that's how I would have been. But on the after show, Carol was like, you know, look, I have to be very careful how I approach this. If I would have gotten defensive, then peop then that would have been more heat on me.

Wendy (09:56.502)
So let's back up to that. I don't like the fact that Carol said, I don't like that you're coming for me based on how you were brought up. I don't think that that was the right approach because Cy was not coming for her based on the way she was brought up. She was asking those questions because I think they were valid questions. I don't think that I but

Lori (10:19.912)
Yeah, I don't have any problem with the questions. No problem with she could have asked her questions all day long.

Kelli (10:23.36)
I just think that's who Cy is. And I think that the answers that Carol were giving, some were good, but some it's like, she never mentioned Jeffrey Epstein. I never knew anything about him. She never mentioned him. So we weren't good friends. So let's play this out. So she told you she wanted she had somebody nice she wanted to to introduce you with, right? And she gave Prince Andrew your phone number. So she

Wendy (10:50.75)
Right.

Kelli (10:52.312)
thought enough of you as a friend to try to set you up with another friend. Now, ha if she had never mentioned having a boyfriend to you and you didn't know anything about this Jeffrey Epstein, if a friend came to you and said, I have somebody who's amazing, I think that you should meet them and you were under the impression this person was single, wouldn't you be like, Well, if he's so great, then why aren't you dating him? W like

Lori (11:13.704)
Well I she said she no, she said that she knew on the after show, she said she knew that Ghlaine had a boyfriend.

Wendy (11:23.647)
So listen I

Kelli (11:23.832)
She just didn't know his name was Jeffrey Epstein.

Lori (11:24.136)
Lit I'm not I'm not s right, I'm not saying that I think this is what I think. I don't think Carol necessarily knew the goings on. But I think she but I think sh and I think that she did downplay to a certain degree her friendship with Ghilaine. I think she would have been better off saying, Yes, you know what? We were pretty good friends. We hung out, we did a lot of things together

Kelli (11:35.178)
No, I don't think she did either.

Kelli (11:45.761)
I agree.

Lori (11:52.264)
And then when I found out what was going on, I couldn't friggin' believe it.

Kelli (11:56.835)
I I believe that too. I don't think Carol Radswill had anything to do with anything or knew anything, had ever been to the island, knew anything about human trafficking. I don't believe that. but I do think she I do also think she down I do think she downplayed her friendship. But I also could I also believe what she said where Jillene was the type of person that surrounded herself with people or money or

Lori (12:10.152)
But she could have definitely knew more than she's letting on.

Kelli (12:26.35)
People who had access to money. I mean, for crying out loud, she was a Radzwell. So yeah.

Lori (12:28.372)
Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Wendy (12:32.125)
I agree with that. I agree with that. But what I didn't like that Carol said and is that she was questioning one Cy's questioning her. She said, well, first she's using her daughter as a shield, and then she's using her as a sword. Because then she's also speaking about how Cy was brought up. And

Lori (12:55.614)
Well she said d she said doesn't she have a questionable past? Which could mean many things. It could mean i colorful. It could mean because she worked at scores, maybe she's implying that, you know.

Kelli (13:00.398)
Colorful. She said colorful.

Kelli (13:05.282)
I'll tell you what it meant because

Wendy (13:05.875)
Yes. It is it is a microaggression. I'm gonna tell you this right now.

Kelli (13:10.474)
It is because she worked at scores because somebody put on Instagram a post saying how they really liked Daisy at first and then she dropped off and they don't like her anymore. Daisy commented and how was I disrespectful? So you know I jumped in. I said you trash talked the island the entire time. No, I said you you tr you trashed Erica about the island, dot dot dot her island.

Lori (13:13.692)
Right. That's what I was thinking it was.

Kelli (13:39.874)
the whole time. Carol commented the colorful past comment was regarding her working in a strip club because somebody accused her of making a ra of that being a racist comment or something, which I don't again.

Lori (13:40.318)
Right, right.

Lori (13:50.396)
okay.

Wendy (13:55.37)
Well, it was. I honestly I do think it was a microaggression bec I I absolutely do. I do. I feel like that.

Kelli (13:58.733)
You thought that was a microaggression. Okay. She did clarify that it was about the strip club though.

Lori (14:05.48)
That's what I thought it was about the strip club. That's what it it it hit me.

Wendy (14:06.409)
But but that was in a comment after she got flack for it. Which again, I th I think that that is her trying to cover her ass. Because I personally, when I heard her say that, I thought that that was a microaggression. Actually, I thought it was ridiculous. Like, don't judge Cy for her past why she's asking these questions. She's you're the one who brought it up and she wants answers to the questions. And I don't think that that's wrong. I don't.

Kelli (14:11.48)
Sure, you're absolutely right.

Kelli (14:16.75)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (14:33.89)
And I'm sorry, you live in New York City. You've never been spoken to or questioned like that, but like that before. You live in New York.

Lori (14:34.162)
No, I don't think it's wrong either.

Wendy (14:39.025)
Right. Right. Right.

Lori (14:42.13)
Right. I I'm just saying if it was me 'cause that's how I tried to think about it, if it was me, I would not have appreciated the manner in which she came at me.

Kelli (14:47.662)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (14:55.926)
You would like to be approached a little bit softer than

Lori (14:59.186)
just don't I don't want anybody speaking to me like that. I don't give a shit what they're asking me about. I don't care if I'm a convicted fucking murderer. They just b back up a little. That's how I would have been. And I think I don't know. I just I just didn't think I didn't think it was cool. And I don't think that's just how she is isn't would be an excuse for me.

Kelli (15:25.454)
Right. I yeah, I 'cause that the whole time you were saying I'm thinking like that's just sigh, that's just sigh. But I understand that's not acceptable to you. Like

Wendy (15:27.669)
Fersai. You're saying for si.

Lori (15:29.638)
Yeah, absolutely. I d Right. That's not acceptable to me. No. I would have been like, you know what?

Kelli (15:38.616)
Back off.

Lori (15:39.666)
You just need to just

Kelli (15:41.12)
Or settle down.

Lori (15:43.454)
Just settle down a little bit. I'll gladly discuss anything you want. I'll gladly answer any questions that you want. But don't come at me like a bulldog because I'm not I'm not about it. I'm not I'm not and I don't think Sy would like anybody approaching her like that. I don't think she would be acceptable to it. So it's like

It just doesn't doesn't jive for me.

Wendy (16:05.951)
Well, I think part of the problem that compounded it is that Daisy automatically took Carol's side. And Daisy is supposed to be Sai's friend.

Kelli (16:11.534)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (16:14.706)
And I think I think Daisy did that right, but I think that this is the deal with Daisy. Two things. I think that Daisy is immeasurably jealous of Sai's success.

Kelli (16:32.142)
think she's jealous of all of them, quite honestly.

Lori (16:34.31)
And I think she's also, I think it factors into it, is that she is heavily conditioned to the hierarchy of how everything lays out socially. She is used to bowing down to Martha and she knows her place in that social stratus. So for her, she was looking at it like

Like this is Kara like don't approach her like that. B because she's thinking of well, I wouldn't approach Martha like that. Because she's very conditioned into the social hierarchy of where she is, because she has to operate like that because she operates in a world all the time that she doesn't belong in.

Kelli (17:10.531)
Right.

Kelli (17:21.964)
Yeah, well that's not gonna work here.

Wendy (17:22.709)
That's an understatement. Right there, what you just said? That is an understatement. She does operate in a world all the time that she doesn't belong in. And to sh

Kelli (17:32.706)
Right. But she better she better get her shit together and turn it around because

Lori (17:32.87)
Right. So I think for her

Yeah. I think it was like an automatic response kind of thing, like, like don't you know, don't upset the Apple cart here.

Wendy (17:37.918)
Yeah.

Kelli (17:43.99)
Because she knows who Psy is. Like she knows that Psy can pop off like that.

Lori (17:48.477)
Right.

Wendy (17:49.664)
A hundred percent she does. She's known her for twenty years. Like she literally sees her like three times a week. Like they are legit friends. Like sisters. Like sisters.

Kelli (17:52.462)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (18:01.262)
By the way, what a w who cares if Cy had a colorful past as or however you want to say it? She still has every right to question you about this. Because this is like major news. Like, right. Who cares about her colorful past?

Lori (18:11.738)
Right, right. I did not agr I didn't agree with that at all. Right.

Wendy (18:12.009)
Well that's my point.

That's a hundred percent my point. Exactly. You're gonna you're gonna give her grief because her mother was a drug addict? Like I mean

Kelli (18:22.902)
Yeah. And let's talk about the Kennedy's colorful past. Drugs, you know, you know, Marilyn Monroe, death.

Lori (18:26.682)
Right. No, we can't. We can't. We can't. She's we've already been told. We've already been told we can't talk about that. Which doesn't help the situation, doesn't help Carol's situation either, because you've been like, you know, no, we're not gonna talk about that kind of thing. So it doesn't it doesn't help her. and then Aaron and Erica go for a walk and Erica apologizes and

Wendy (18:27.135)
Right.

Wendy (18:32.191)
Right.

Wendy (18:47.09)
Right.

No, it doesn't. It doesn't.

Lori (18:56.996)
and then Aaron says if Jessa would have said I didn't mean it like that, Aaron says she would have felt differently. I don't think so.

Kelli (19:05.686)
No, she wouldn't have because Jessel has already said that, like or maybe she didn't yet. I know she eventually does but it it's not gonna matter. Listen, they don't get along. They both I think that Erin has more main character delusion than Jessel does, but at this point I think they're both fighting for that spot now. So they're always going to be at odds.

Lori (19:26.12)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Yeah, like Erica said, they're not compatible.

Kelli (19:32.0)
Right. Right. They both want the same thing.

Lori (19:34.064)
And Erica said Jessel is one of her best friends. Yeah. All right. So Cy says J

Wendy (19:35.327)
They are not compatible. I agree. Yeah.

I mean Jessel is the only one of of that group that was actually at Erica's wedding. So that kind of that says something about her relationship with Erica.

Lori (19:48.98)
Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (19:50.7)
Yeah. Right. you know, Erica said like in this episode at some point she's one of my best friends.

Wendy (19:57.684)
Yeah.

Kelli (19:59.425)
Again, the housewives do throw that best friend thing around a lot, but in this situation, I think it actually might be true.

Wendy (20:03.541)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (20:09.712)
And then let's see. Haley says if you Google you get a mug shot and I was like, Yeah, we there was a mugshot of you floating around.

Kelli (20:25.41)
Well, and then Daisy jumped in then when when Carol was trying to explain that if you Google her right now it says she's in the Epstein Files because and sh and she's saying Haley's Google is worse because

Haley had a mugshot. Like Carol's like, you know not, you know, on the surface somehow linked in here, but Haley has an actual cause Daisy's like, Well, it's not the same to Haley, but no, hers is actually worse. She actually has a mugshot. Like

Lori (20:53.545)
Right.

Lori (20:58.964)
Bye.

Lori (21:02.62)
You're right.

Wendy (21:03.057)
Well, I think Haley was comparing her John Gosslin Google information and Daisy was saying, like, Gen Z doesn't even know who you are because Gen Z doesn't know who John Gosslin is. Which again

Kelli (21:16.736)
I didn't even know who Halley was, quite honestly.

Lori (21:16.988)
Right. No, I don't remember hearing about her at all. But I never really read like tabloids.

Kelli (21:22.144)
I just remember hating Kate Goslin and thinking she was horrible.

Lori (21:26.728)
Right.

Wendy (21:27.027)
Right. Which by the way, I don't know if you guys are aware of this. So Kate Gosslin and John Gosslin's son Colin Gosslin is on special forces right now and I love him. He's kicking ass. I am watching it. And he just came out with a book and he is spilling the tea and he has receipts about the abuse that went on with him and what what his mother did. Yes. And you know what? I am here for Colin Gosslin because

Kelli (21:37.987)
Yeah.

Kelli (21:49.068)
Yeah. Yeah, he wrote yeah, he wrote the book, yeah.

Lori (21:50.003)
I'm sure.

Wendy (21:57.202)
Everything he says, he's got receipts for. He's not just spewing like gossip. He's got the receipts to back it up.

Lori (22:03.571)
Right.

Lori (22:09.66)
And I loved how when

Carol first was talking about the Epstein stuff and Haley's like, you're gonna talk about this?

Kelli (22:22.606)
Yeah.

Kelli (22:27.576)
Well, and Carol did share a very personal experience that she had had with a professor at college, which, you know, that was hard to hear. And, you know, of course we feel awful for her that she had to go through that. So but basically she was saying like Yeah, yeah, and there S I had no idea no way of knowing that. And I don't I mean, it I don't know. But who knows?

Wendy (22:31.967)
She did. She did.

Wendy (22:44.627)
Yeah. Right. Right.

Kelli (22:52.236)
Just release the damn w but I did love what Carol said. It's been two administrations, both sides, and still we have no names. It's ridiculous.

Wendy (23:04.199)
It's ridiculous. A hundred percent it's ridiculous. And listen, at this point, it's like what are we even gonna do with it? It's just such it's it's just like the whole big runaround. It's all a big runaround. And you know, like she also said, there's been no men, like there's no men's names out there, right? Her name's out there, there's other there's other women's names out there.

Why don't we know about all the men that are involved? Because we know that there are a lot of men involved in this. Have we seen the actual files that that list these men? No.

Lori (23:35.26)
Yeah.

Lori (23:40.082)
And you know the and you know when when Carol was talking about that, you know

Kelli (23:40.79)
And we never will.

Lori (23:48.04)
The Duke of York called her and that Gullaine called her and so I was like, you gave them y but it wasn't like that. It's not like you gave people your phone number. Like people could just

Kelli (24:00.727)
Yeah, look you up.

Lori (24:01.644)
look it like it wasn't you know like we just forget how we think that things people think that things were the way they are now back then. It wasn't like that. And I mean that's why there's so many pictures of Carol oftentimes with Ghlaine is that they were at social events. There wasn't like you didn't have pictures of just casual pictures. You had pictures when you took a picture

Kelli (24:03.618)
Right. Yep.

Lori (24:31.476)
'Cause you had to have a camera. You had to have a camera.

Wendy (24:31.677)
In social at social events. Right. It's not like they were hanging out in the backyard. It's not like they were clubbing. They were at a social event. Which again

Kelli (24:40.908)
Right. Nobody was taking pictures with their phones.

Lori (24:40.954)
Right. And and

Right. It's not like but I think that younger people just think that things were the way they are now, but they weren't. They were not.

Kelli (24:52.398)
They were not.

Lori (24:55.773)
So

And then another thing where I think Carol really messed up is Sai asks, you know, how did you stop speaking? And Carol said, you know, we just drifted apart. So I think a better answer, even if that was the truth, would have been to be like, Yeah, you know what? I started some hearing some like whispers of things, but her and I, you know, we were still friendly.

But then it got to a certain point where I started to hear more and more and I knew just like I don't want to be involved with anything. You know what I mean?

Kelli (25:35.96)
Well, she said she was a social climber. So that's definitely not who Carol is, you know. She didn't first of all she didn't have to be. And it's doesn't seem like that's how she would be anyway. So, you know, once you see that in somebody and it's not something you're into, it's kinda like, Well then what are we even doing?

Lori (25:38.792)
Right.

Lori (25:43.612)
Right.

Wendy (25:44.222)
No.

Lori (25:55.858)
Right. And then so I was bringing up bringing up the emails saying, you know, you were jokey jokey. Yeah, but it's it's just talking about going out. Like it's not yeah. Surface stuff.

Wendy (25:57.471)
So you know, after this

Wendy (26:06.055)
Right. Their surface. It was just all surface level stuff. It and

Kelli (26:09.536)
Yeah, and it's like sending a text now. That's what email was then.

Wendy (26:13.213)
Right. Like a group text. Right. So the interesting thing is the New York Post, the day after this aired, put out this whole thing about Carol Radswell and her parking violations. Which honestly, she totally screwed herself. She screwed herself. I mean

Lori (26:15.507)
Right.

Lori (26:26.021)
no parking, I saw that. Yeah. I saw that. That was funny.

Kelli (26:34.366)
showing that on the show how she moves her car.

Lori (26:36.492)
yeah. yeah, yeah, yeah. not moving the car, 'cause you have to you have to move the car. For opposite side of street parking. You have to move your car. But the cone, she had a fake placard. Right expired, placard.

Wendy (26:38.249)
and the the cones, the con ed cones. The con yeah. The con ed cones. Yes, the eight thousand dollars. Well, no, it expired. It was an expired placard. The con ed cones were stolen, basically, from con ed because they, you know, use them only for protection when they're working on a job site.

Lori (27:03.782)
Right, right, right.

Wendy (27:05.281)
And she had eight thousand dollars in fines. So again, like you're putting this shit out there. Like, what are you doing, Carol? Like, do you think it's not gonna come back and hit you in the face? This is New York City. This is New York City. And this is Bravo. If you have a skeleton, best believe it's gonna be coming out.

Lori (27:30.238)
So, you know, one thing that Carol said and I and I this to me like sums it up is that there's a fine line between curiosity and accusation. And when Cy when Cy was questioning her, it was with accusation and less curiosity. So

Kelli (27:51.832)
See, I didn't find it accusatory. I just thought it

Lori (27:54.866)
I did. I found it a cue story. It's it's it's interesting because there's I've been, you know, looking at different social media posts and it's kinda fifty fifty split.

Wendy (27:55.433)
I didn't either. I did not either.

Kelli (28:06.734)
Yeah. Hmm.

Wendy (28:07.881)
Yeah, I didn't find it accusatory. I will say that there is also this fine line between really a friendship and an acquaintance, especially in the social circles in places like New York City. So you can be in the same room with somebody, and this has come up many times on many reunions for Bravo. Just because you've been in the same room as Charles Oakley does not mean that you know what's going on in the day-to-day d with Charles Oakley and what happened in his past. You are not involved in that.

Kelli (28:26.68)
Right.

Kelli (28:36.438)
Right. Right.

Wendy (28:37.533)
Right? Same thing goes with Glene Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. I mean, they're both pieces of shit. We we'll all probably agree to that. But just because you were in the same room with them and took a picture with them doesn't mean that you know their goings-ons.

Kelli (28:45.633)
Absolutely.

Lori (28:50.259)
Right.

And quite frankly, there's people who are married to other people for decades and don't know.

Kelli (28:54.988)
No, because

Wendy (28:59.763)
Yes. Yes.

Kelli (29:02.594)
Right. And the thing with Epstein was he was huge into finance. Before all this started, he was the finance guy in New York City. He took pictures with everybody. That I mean, you can't accuse every single person of being photographed with Jeffrey Epstein of having knowledge of what he was doing. He was huge into finance.

Lori (29:08.647)
huge. So he knew all people with money. absolutely.

Lori (29:15.112)
Right.

Wendy (29:15.423)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (29:24.564)
Right.

Right. No, I totally agree with that.

Lori (29:32.094)
So let's see. and then Carol says, Do you think I'm part of an international sex trafficking ring? And Cy says, I don't know. That's what I'm asking.

Wendy (29:43.379)
Ha ha ha.

Lori (29:46.962)
And Carol was like, Really? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.

Wendy (29:47.581)
Think that was her being snarky. I think that was just her being snarky.

Kelli (29:50.934)
I think they were both being snarky at that point.

Lori (29:55.252)
let's see. And then in the confessional size says, I don't buy it and I was like, my. Yeah.

Wendy (30:02.478)
she did. And I'm not supposed to say it.

Lori (30:08.271)
let's see.

Kelli (30:10.264)
Well, I didn't need to hear everything Daisy did to herself, including her vagina.

Wendy (30:16.469)
no, we did not need to know that.

Lori (30:27.31)
And, you know, when Daisy said that poor Carol has to bring up such a painful thing in her life just to justify herself to Cy, I don't think she was bringing that up to justify herself. I think she was just trying to let her know after Sai brought up the thing about, you know, her daughter that Carol was like, Yeah, but I'm somebody's daughter too, and I'm a I'm a woman and I have been

Wendy (30:51.135)
Yes.

Lori (30:55.856)
in a horrible situation. So therefore the that happening to me in my past is just another added reason why I would never be involved in something that had to do with the abuse of women.

Kelli (31:09.197)
Right.

Wendy (31:10.036)
Right.

No, that I totally agree with you about. Yeah.

Kelli (31:12.716)
Right, and you Yeah. And you can't, you know, Carol can't say Daisy is using her daughter as a shield and then bring that up. Cy, sorry. Yeah, Cy was br you know, using her daughter as a shield and then bring that story up to use it as a shield. You know what I mean?

Wendy (31:21.461)
Psy, you mean sigh? Yeah.

Lori (31:29.712)
Exactly. Yeah.

Wendy (31:31.539)
Right. I mean and Dais the whole thing with with Cy and Daisy and this whole situation when Carol's there is the fact that Daisy had Carol's back and didn't have Sy's back, which is is a problem in itself because she doesn't really know Carol, but she does know Sai.

Kelli (31:48.872)
No, and isn't it later in the episode she says to Sai like you're supposed to be my defender in this group? Okay, well where were you, Daisy?

Wendy (31:54.92)
Yes, she does. So she expects more sh right. She expects more f it this goes back to what Meredith said, wasn't it Meredith said that? She expects more from Cy than she's willing to give, right? I mean that's bullshit. It's bullshit.

Kelli (32:07.094)
Yes. Yes. Yep. Yep.

Lori (32:07.602)
Right, right. Right. And now when

Daisy says to Haley that she gives it life about her John Gosling story. I was like, mm, kinda a little bit. And a little bit. But I loved how I loved how Daisy said, I want my lashes done later, so I'm not gonna tell you to shut the fuck up. That was good.

Kelli (32:32.78)
Right. Right.

Wendy (32:32.823)
my God, I love that too. Listen, this is the only thing I really do like about Haley is that when she gives us those little quick quips, like, Okay, you're being honest. Like that's a hundred percent real. I I I'm there. listen, Haley, I believe that.

Lori (32:42.088)
Right.

Kelli (32:45.228)
Yeah. I don't think Haley's going anywhere. I think Haley's here to stay on this franchise and she should be.

Wendy (32:52.649)
Well Bravo likes Haley. Despite the fact that Bravo knows that she's a liar and a manipulator, Bravo likes Haley. So I probably I I agree with you. She's not going anywhere. She's not. They like her.

Kelli (33:02.732)
Listen, if it weren't if she weren't on this season, it wouldn't be as enjoyable. It wouldn't.

Lori (33:08.359)
No, it wouldn't.

Kelli (33:10.548)
'Caisy's not

Lori (33:12.818)
Enjoyable in any way, shape or form. No.

Kelli (33:14.409)
Not at all.

Lori (33:16.83)
So Daisy and Carol are at the pool bar and this was weird too. Daisy's asking Carol if her boobs are real.

Wendy (33:26.933)
That was weird.

Lori (33:28.018)
Yeah, and Carol says that the F fifty they kind of popped out popped out. It was a good part of menopause. Well, I have yet to see any good parts of menopause, so I'm happy for you.

Kelli (33:37.294)
Well, if you didn't have boobs and you do now, that's su certainly a good part.

Lori (33:41.392)
Right, but I s I don't know. Yeah, it is hormones. It could it certainly could be. Yeah. Right. I'm just saying I'm just saying for me, I have seen no good things come of menopause. And then Daisy's and that's like we were talking about before Daisy says after her son was born she got her boobs done, her legs lipoed.

Wendy (33:41.941)
does that even happen? I don't think that that's real.

Kelli (33:44.824)
Well, it's all hormones. I mean, it happens in puberty, right? It happens when you get pregnant, when you nurse. It could happen.

Wendy (33:53.183)
Okay.

Kelli (33:57.687)
That's 'cause you already had the boobs to start with.

Lori (34:11.302)
And her J J Dunn and the tummy is next. I we did not need to know.

and Daisy says

Wendy (34:19.357)
listen I'm just gonna say this right now. I don't know why you you would do your Vijay Jay before you do your tummy. Because there's only one person seeing your Vijay Jay. Everyone right?

Lori (34:27.912)
Right, everybody else sees you. Tell me.

Kelli (34:29.964)
I think that sometimes when women I listen, I had C sections, but I think that sometimes women go through a hard enough time with their labor that it's it's almost medically necessary. So maybe she had a situation like that.

Wendy (34:44.309)
Yeah.

Kelli (34:46.604)
I'm just saying. Not to defend her, but

Wendy (34:46.909)
just gonna put this out there. No, no, I'm just gonna put this out there as someone who had I'm gonna I'm gonna put this out there, this could be blunt. Who had three vaginal births.

Lori (34:54.5)
this is gonna be good. She's Wendy's gonna say and her but J is just fine. I knew it.

Kelli (35:00.131)
Ha ha.

Wendy (35:00.253)
And my Vijay J is just fine. Three vaginal births and eight eight eight pounds ten ounces, eight pounds twelve ounces, Vijay J's just fine. Just gonna put that out there.

Lori (35:05.244)
And it's all good. That's way more than anybody needs to know Wendy, but okay.

Lori (35:14.244)
All right. So you've got a lot of elasticity. Okay.

Kelli (35:15.662)
But I'm with you, I'd do my stomach first anyway.

Wendy (35:20.583)
Right? I would do my stomach first, regardless. Just saying.

Lori (35:23.795)
Yeah.

Kelli (35:23.959)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Maybe she's gotta wait for that Christmas bonus from Martha.

Lori (35:27.518)
Right.

Maybe.

Wendy (35:30.453)
Ha ha ha

Lori (35:37.264)
And then they're all sitting around the pool, 'cause all the other girls come out and Daisy says, Sai, are you in a better mood, girl? Now, you should have known better. You should have just left that left that dog alone. Left that dog alone. No. And then

Kelli (35:48.654)
That did not go over well.

Wendy (35:50.79)
No.

Kelli (35:52.28)
That didn't land. That did not land.

Lori (36:00.614)
She whips out her saying that she said that I'm not gonna repeat. But do you think it was do you think it was rehearsed? You th you don't think Cy sat in that and and I think she did.

Wendy (36:05.949)
Listen, you gotta repeat it. Cause what's Psy No, I do not. Because what Cy No, no, no, no. I think Cy I think Cy is real. And I think what Cy said to Aaron was 100% what she was thinking. When she said that to Aaron, I think that's what was on her mind. Cause she was effing pissed off at Aaron because she confided in her and

We s we've sinnis from Sai. Sai does not confide in that many people.

Kelli (36:37.14)
No, she's very closed off.

Wendy (36:39.121)
She's very, very, very private. She does not give this personal information out. And she trusted Aaron and Aaron betrayed her. And she was calling her out on that right there and then. I do not think that that was rehearsed. I think that was her just I don't.

Lori (36:53.47)
You don't I think she

Kelli (36:54.424)
Well, but but before that, Daisy says to Cy that her delivery was strong. And but all I kept thinking in that moment was if Carol were questioning someone, she would be extremely direct. And Carol can

Lori (37:12.958)
But like I said, there's a big difference.

Kelli (37:16.376)
But you haven't seen Carol in a situation where she can be questioning someone she really wants the answers from. I don't think it would be a very big difference between the way Sy was coming and the way Carol would come. She's very passionate. That's what I'm saying.

Lori (37:24.446)
Right.

Lori (37:33.65)
Right. Well then I all I'm saying is Right.

Wendy (37:33.845)
'Cause we've seen Carol between her and Bethany. Carol and Bethany went head to head. We've seen that. Laura, you have not seen that. So Kelly and I and I agree with you, Kelly. I hundred percent agree with you.

Lori (37:40.306)
Right. Right. Right. But all I'm saying is I I wouldn't care all I'm saying is I wouldn't care who it was, be it Cy or Carol.

Kelli (37:43.436)
Yes.

Lori (37:55.688)
Back up. That's all I'm saying. I'm just saying me personally.

Kelli (37:56.931)
Right. But the best part was Erica saying it's funny that Daisy is telling Cy about her manners when she's been talking shit and complaining about the island the whole time. But now she's gonna school Cy on her manners.

Lori (38:08.688)
Right. Right.

Right. On the after show, Erica did say that Daisy is never invited back to her home. Yeah.

Kelli (38:19.318)
Good for her. Good for her.

Wendy (38:21.181)
And she shouldn't be. A hundred percent she should not be. And neither should Aaron, because I did not watch the after show, but I did see that Aaron was on page six Reality and at the Realit VRT awards, Aaron was still talking shit about Erica's place, calling it an Airbnb. She really is.

Kelli (38:24.289)
No.

Kelli (38:38.04)
Yeah. She's the worst. Aaron's the worst.

Lori (38:42.228)
Whoa!

Kelli (38:46.616)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (38:48.894)
And then Cy asks if she was offensive to Carol and then Daisy answers for her. She really needs to learn when to shut up.

I says, Who the fuck are you? A teacher? I don't need you to go and tell me how to behave And then Daisy says, Okay, keep acting that way and people won't like you

And then she talks about how she expected Sy to defend her. But listen.

Wendy (39:14.367)
Corn ceilings.

Lori (39:16.276)
Listen, you're the one who brought up the popcorn ceilings. You're the one who makes fun of them. And don't come on a show like this looking for anybody to defend you. This is not the place. It's not the like you didn't read the job description correctly. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (39:31.03)
No, t I totally agree.

Wendy (39:31.561)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (39:37.624)
Right. Yeah. And Cy was like, You talk about your popcorn ceilings all the time. And I'm sure when she does, she's making fun of them.

Wendy (39:37.919)
You need to stand on your own.

Lori (39:49.223)
Right.

Wendy (39:49.588)
Hundred percent. And I feel like you just said, Lori, I feel like if you come on a housewife show, you need to be able to go ten toes down on whatever it is you believe in. And if you can't, then you should not be on this show. You shouldn't be on this show.

Lori (39:58.97)
Mm-hmm. Right.

Kelli (39:59.737)
Yeah.

Lori (40:03.752)
Then you should be on the show.

Kelli (40:04.173)
Totally agree. Yeah.

Lori (40:07.806)
And then Erin makes her comment about the level of friendship. You have expectations and that's when Cy loses her shit. She says, Funny you should say that.

Lori (40:23.526)
And then but so you guys think that Aaron told somebody about the separation and that person told? I think so too.

Wendy (40:31.155)
Definitely. Tall Jen Alliance.

Kelli (40:33.368)
Jenna Lyons, well you know you've you've you've watched the show since Jenna was on. I don't think Jenna says anything that is not 100% true and she can back up. And she and I'm sure Jenna Lyons was well aware that Cy was gonna come on this season and say her name. Because I don't think Cy would say her name if Jenna Lyons wasn't aware of it. And we all know Jenna Lyons was asked to come back and chose not to. There's no doubt in my mind Andy loved her.

Lori (40:38.408)
Mm-hmm.

No. And she can back up.

Wendy (40:56.061)
And I would not even be

Lori (40:59.378)
Not too right.

Wendy (40:59.774)
Not to

Lori (41:02.8)
yeah.

Wendy (41:03.411)
Right. And I would not be surprised if Jenna Lyons told Cy exactly who it was that told Aaron who told who told Jenna. But Cy is not going to say that because that's who Cy is. Aaron is 100% lying and is caught in a lie and can't handle it. She just can't handle it.

Kelli (41:04.568)
So

Kelli (41:10.151)
sure. Sure.

Lori (41:16.36)
Right. Right.

Kelli (41:23.384)
Yep. She can't handle anything. That's why she gets up and runs away like Tamra.

Lori (41:27.622)
Right. So what Cy says is Abe must be fucking the shit out of your mouth. Your lips are so goddamn loose. You are queefing everybody's business. She made merch, you know, Cy. There's like a st striped t shirt, a striped t shirt and embroidered on it it says queefing everybody's business.

Wendy (41:44.521)
Did she?

Kelli (41:45.676)
As she should.

Wendy (41:53.386)
I love it. Good for you, Cy. I love it. I don't either. I wouldn't wear it either, but good for you, Cy. Make your make your bank. Yeah, make your bank.

Kelli (41:53.678)
As she should. I wouldn't wear that 'cause I personally don't like that word.

Lori (41:57.459)
No.

Kelli (42:00.057)
But good for her 'cause there's a lot of people out there that would would wear it. Yep. Make your bank, yep.

Lori (42:03.568)
Right. And I love how Daisy said

And I don't like this word either. Daisy said, Don't bring wet pussy farts into the conversation. But I'm sorry, that was but that was really funny. That was really funny how to say. Yeah. And Erica in her confessionally confessional said it's literally the best thing I've ever heard in my whole life.

Wendy (42:14.314)
yeah, no, I don't like that either. I don't like that either. No, no. It was funny. It was a hundred percent funny. Yeah.

Kelli (42:15.99)
I don't like that word.

That was very funny. That was very, very funny.

Kelli (42:27.392)
Yeah.

Wendy (42:31.039)
Can I say I love so much about Erica? I love about this is what I love about her. I love that she is crazy rich. I love that she is so down to earth. I love that she doesn't give a flying F about what anyone thinks about her or what she does. I love that she stands by her friends. I love that she's there for Cy. I love that she's there for Jessel. I I like I like all these things about Erica and we

Kelli (42:35.404)
Yeah.

Kelli (42:40.814)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (42:57.335)
Yeah.

Wendy (43:01.007)
need to make sure that Erica's coming back.

Kelli (43:03.936)
I don't think she's going anywhere. She's married to a billionaire. She's got an island. I don't think she's going anywhere.

Wendy (43:08.095)
Yeah. she does have an island. Yeah. I love Erica. She's funny. She's funny.

Kelli (43:13.526)
And she is funny.

Lori (43:15.252)
She is funny. Just naturally just naturally funny. Yeah.

Kelli (43:16.728)
She is funny. Yeah. So her and Haley can stay, but I I kind of feel like Daisy is a one and done. But we'll see.

Lori (43:25.544)
Yeah. And then and then Carol and her confessional, she says, you know, like if a guy has a small penis it happens and then blows raspberries. That was pretty funny too.

Kelli (43:38.062)
And that was funny what Carol yeah.

Lori (43:41.032)
Yeah. And then

Wendy (43:41.695)
Wait, what was that about? I w I forget what was that about?

Lori (43:44.302)
In Carol's confessional, she said, it's just air by the way. And if a guy has a small penis, it happens. Talking about the queefing. Yeah. And then she blew raspberries. It was funny. Yeah. And then so Aaron and Sire are going back and forth, and Aaron says, you know, she didn't tell Jenna, and then it didn't happen. And then

Wendy (43:55.622)
okay, all right. Okay, that's right. Yeah yeah yeah.

Lori (44:13.328)
Aaron's like a ten year old. Th then we're not friends. Okay. We're not friends and I'm getting out of pool. Right now.

Kelli (44:17.548)
Yeah. Okay, then we're not friends. Okay. Right.

Wendy (44:20.265)
Yeah. Listen, when when she gets up and walks away, that says it all. Because if you really didn't say it, you would stand there and fight your fight. But you know damn well you said it. So what are you gonna say? There's nothing for you to say.

Kelli (44:31.776)
It's the same thing as Pamera. She can't handle it when she's called out on things she's actually done. They can't handle it so they have to run away.

Wendy (44:37.556)
Yes.

Wendy (44:42.462)
Mm.

Lori (44:45.145)
Wendy (44:45.375)
And unfortunately, she steps on glass.

Kelli (44:47.955)
my god, of all the people to step on glass.

Wendy (44:50.325)
Ha ha ha

Kelli (44:53.462)
And Jess was like, What'd she say about my husband? Like, so by the way, did you see the video that Pavet did at Equinox? my God. We should have put it in the group text. Wendy, it's hysterical. He walks into Equinox gym, and as he's checking in, some guy comes up behind him. He's Hey Pavit, you ready to go in the steam room? He's No, not yet. I'm here for a really intense workout. And then he's there.

Lori (45:00.914)
Yes, it was great. It was great. it's so great. It's great.

Wendy (45:03.093)
I did not. I did not. Tell me.

Lori (45:18.984)
Pence workout.

Kelli (45:21.784)
Doing bicep curls with like two pound wings. And somebody else comes up, he's like, Hey Papa, you hit in the steam room? He's like, Can you not see? I'm in the middle of a very intense work.

Lori (45:24.168)
Two pound weights.

Lori (45:34.546)
And then he goes then he goes and gets like a smoothie and somebody says it again. He's like, I'm just drinking this smoothie. And then he goes to go in the steam room. it's great.

Kelli (45:35.521)
Yeah.

Kelli (45:43.264)
It's real funny.

Wendy (45:43.744)
That is hysterical. This is hysterical. So the guys on VRT, virtual you know, the Evan and Danny, they were talking about the whole POVIT thing and w one of has been to Equinox, the other one has not. And they did say it is a like New York City lore that gay men hook up in the steam room. They've both admitted that they've never seen POVIT there. And they were both like, my gosh, we feel so bad for Equinox. And I'm thinking to myself, I think Equinox is going to

Lori (46:13.211)
Well I love it.

Wendy (46:13.439)
Go off the chart with this. This is gonna like blow them up. And now that Poppet did this, right.

Kelli (46:15.35)
It and

I knew of Equinox Gym in the city. So and I'm the least city person ever. So it was already there, but yes, this is gonna blow them up even more.

Wendy (46:28.243)
Yes, good for Equinox.

Kelli (46:30.158)
But you know, somebody made a really good point. Like, why are we using like it's such a it's such an insulting thing, like like her husband's gay What is that like having the black plague? Like what are we talking about here? You know what I mean?

Wendy (46:46.185)
Well, I mean I yeah, I agree.

Lori (46:48.51)
Well, the only thing that the only problem with it is if he's married to somebody else and that person who he's married to doesn't know. But I will say this. I do think Sai has a lot of nerve because past seasons she was the one making innuendos about about Pavit going to Thailand because he was going over there to have sex with girls or boys or whatever. So don't

Kelli (47:07.384)
That he was a cheater.

Wendy (47:13.973)
For the one day. For the one day.

Lori (47:18.81)
Sometimes she needs to, you know, calm the calm down a little because you were you were real thick into that, talking about somebody's husband, and now you're getting divorced so no one can talk even talk about your separation. But it was okay for you to make accusations and insinuations that Pavit was a serpent.

Kelli (47:42.957)
Yeah, but honestly, she did do that first season and she was Aaron's wingwoman in that mean girl Mecca. But I honestly think she watched it back and she was like, The fuck was I doing? And season two, she did a whole 180. And she said she and Jessel became very close at the last BravoCon. That's when it started. Like with their close friendship. So I think I agree with you.

Wendy (47:49.811)
No, I agree.

Season two, different size. Season two. She did.

Wendy (48:03.764)
Yeah.

Kelli (48:09.378)
But I do think that Cy has reflected on her behavior first season and was like, I don't wanna be that person.

Lori (48:14.066)
Okay, okay, but again, you've known something that someone has told you about your friend, but you kept it to use it as ammo on TV. See that's what I'm saying, so right?

Wendy (48:26.579)
You wait to say it on camera. Yeah. Then no, that I agree about. Listen, I totally agree with you about that. I a hundred percent agree with you.

Kelli (48:28.481)
Yeah.

Kelli (48:32.333)
Yeah.

Lori (48:37.374)
So I don't know.

Wendy (48:38.631)
I don't know. There's not I don't think there's an excuse for Cy for that unless unless Jessel did know and she allowed Cy to put it out there like that because it was because it was because I we know Aaron's gonna say all of New York knew. And we we saw Cy call her friend who called out Aaron for saying it. So I feel like it.

Lori (48:49.96)
To use it as a story, yeah.

Kelli (49:06.188)
And that friend had to be aware of the phone call because you can't just go on air and call somebody. Like there has to be a release signed and Yep.

Lori (49:11.686)
Right, right, right. Right. Right. Yeah, I'm not saying that I don't think Aaron said it. I think she said it, but I'm just saying

Wendy (49:13.087)
There's gotta be a release signed. Exactly. Exactly. So and again, I don't

Kelli (49:21.368)
Cy used it when it was gonna work well for her. Yep, you're right.

Lori (49:24.124)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Wendy (49:25.511)
And I n I think that Jessel knew about it. I th I don't think Jessel was blindsided by it. I will say that too. I don't think Jessel was blind blindsided by it. Or Pobbit for that matter.

Lori (49:31.432)
Right. No, no.

Kelli (49:33.708)
Right. Right.

Lori (49:36.22)
And just on the lighter side, I did love Erica. I think you're a lovely hostess. And I loved how you had that lovely food and flowers come on those floating baskets. It's very nice. Very nice.

Kelli (49:48.076)
I loved those baskets.

Wendy (49:48.51)
It was so cool.

Kelli (49:55.565)
When Erin cut her foot, Erica's like, Listen, I'm checking on Erin for two reasons. One, because I care about her. Two, I don't want her to sue me.

Lori (50:01.333)
Mm-hmm.

Right. Right.

Wendy (50:07.103)
Can we just jump to the whole the whole tennis thing? The whole what was that called? I d what was that tennis thing called? Tipsy t my God. I loved watching the whole tipsy tennis thing. I loved it. I love that they had these big giant tennis rackets. I love that they they had to hold a glass of wine while they were playing tennis.

Lori (50:07.856)
Mm.

Lori (50:13.748)
Tipsy tennis. Tipsy tennis.

Kelli (50:15.193)
tipsy tennis, yeah.

Lori (50:28.489)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (50:28.77)
Yeah, but real quick before that, when Erin was being treated for her foot, Jessel this is when Jessel went over to her and apologized about the insurance thing and said it was a joke. And Jessel said we need to hash things out, but not here and not now.

Wendy (50:35.486)
Yes.

Wendy (50:39.645)
She did.

Lori (50:39.731)
Right.

Kelli (50:48.576)
And Carol, actually to your point, Lori, Carol said Psy weaponizes rumors.

Lori (50:55.218)
I'm just saying.

Kelli (50:56.534)
Yeah, so to your point.

Wendy (50:57.791)
Yeah.

Lori (50:59.208)
But I thought it was interesting how both Aaron and Cy got hurt.

Wendy (51:06.737)
It was interesting. I think Cy is really hurt though. Don't you think she's really hurt?

Kelli (51:07.156)
yeah.

Lori (51:13.424)
No I don't think so because of coming attraction she's doing shit. She can't be that hurt. man

Kelli (51:17.268)
Exactly. I was paying very close

Kelli (51:23.37)
I I I think I was paying very close to the scenes from next week and she is in them.

Lori (51:30.206)
She's in there. That's what I was looking at too. I was like, Yeah, she looks fun. Yeah.

Wendy (51:31.029)
Okay, so she's fine. I th I mean with the way she fell on the ground and was like screaming, I thought she was legit hurt. She's a good actress. Yes! She said her kneecap.

Kelli (51:37.706)
I know. Well she said, didn't she say like her kneecap pop?

Lori (51:39.592)
Sometimes

Sometimes sometimes you can get that where it you can like but it can go back and you're you're okay. so in the coming attractions you do see Cy and Daisy say she's hiding something. So I don't know if they're talking about Carol. I don't know, we'll have to see.

Kelli (51:48.91)
Pop it back in.

Wendy (51:52.125)
All right.

Kelli (52:03.852)
I honestly thought they might have been talking about Jessel.

Lori (52:06.996)
We'll have to say.

Wendy (52:10.421)
Listen, I liked this episode. What did you guys think?

Kelli (52:15.621)
when I saw them playing tennis I thought, Good for Carol, she brought all those socks.

Wendy (52:22.015)
She she did bring a lot of socks. Sh she sure did.

Kelli (52:22.616)
Carol had socks for everybody for tennis.

Lori (52:25.392)
And Haley must have loved it because Haley was Haley was really into tennis as a as a younger person.

Kelli (52:29.118)
yeah.

Wendy (52:31.241)
But

Wendy (52:34.877)
Okay, but she really didn't get the tennis scholarship she told us she got. But okay.

Lori (52:37.992)
Right.

Kelli (52:38.392)
Did you notice that when Cy got hurt though, Erin just sat there and everybody else like got up and went over to her? Eventually she did go over, but not at first.

Wendy (52:44.764)
Yes, I did.

Wendy (52:48.691)
I mean listen, there's only so many people that can go surround you when you're on the ground screaming.

Kelli (52:53.134)
True.

Lori (52:53.51)
Right. And if you just had a fight with someone you probably like she'd probably don't want to see my face anyway.

Wendy (52:56.893)
Yeah, yeah, should be fine. Yeah.

Kelli (52:57.846)
Right. Right. That's right. Yeah.

Lori (53:01.32)
So I don't know. I try and like these housewife shows. I do, I try. It's just it's just a lot. It's a lot. You know, everybody's doing I've seen a lot of posts about how you know, size the only one getting a paycheck. You know, working for her working only one working.

Wendy (53:19.564)
they think she's the only one working?

Kelli (53:23.144)
Jesso works. We see we saw her in her meeting. Jessel has to work because Pavit doesn't.

Wendy (53:25.609)
Jessel works Eric Erica works.

Lori (53:27.716)
No. I don't mean that I don't mean that. I mean working for her Bravo Paycheck, like being a how like the whole the whole housewife thing.

Wendy (53:30.91)
Yeah.

Kelli (53:34.668)
Wendy (53:37.877)
what you mean, but I feel like Erica's working. I feel like Erica's working and I feel like Daisy's working, but she's not very effective in her work. Daisy's freaking working. I don't think she's good at her job.

Lori (53:47.24)
Right.

Kelli (53:47.276)
You see, I I hate it when people say that because it's an ensemble cast. Like everybody is making this

Lori (53:52.124)
Right. But I I think what I mean is my point is is that

Lori (54:02.196)
It's just everybody wants everybody wants that intense drama. And I could do without it. Yes. I think they really I really think that they do.

Wendy (54:03.069)
What's your point?

Wendy (54:08.927)
Do they I mean, do seriously, do you think they do?

Kelli (54:13.334)
I think absolutely I think most people watch these shows for the backstabbing and the mic drop moments and the smoking guns and yeah, I do. We I don't think we do, but and I

Lori (54:20.444)
And the arguing.

Lori (54:26.802)
And all you know, no. And I think a lot of people love to have somebody to be the villain and they love somebody to hate. And I don't know, I just that just not my gig.

Wendy (54:38.537)
You know what it is? I feel

Kelli (54:38.562)
I think we need a good balance. Like I think we need the Ericas on the show who were going to yes.

Wendy (54:43.113)
I think we need a good balance. And I think that like for Kelly and I, who have been watching this from the very beginning, when this wasn't we definitely look at it differently because of that, right? And I don't right, and you're like, this is bullshit. Right. No. It's no, and I get it.

Lori (54:50.418)
But you look at it differently because of that.

Kelli (54:55.352)
Yeah.

Lori (54:55.388)
Right. And I look at it from right now and I'm like, the f right. Exactly. It's annoying. Yeah.

Kelli (55:01.132)
It's annoying. It gets annoying. It really does. Like Tamra annoys the hell out of me 'cause that's all she does.

Wendy (55:08.499)
You know what it is? These at this point, some of these women are just so overproducing everything that they do. And it's it's it's not enjoyable. Like I watch this because we I've always said this is like my guilty pleasure, right? And it's to the point where when I get annoyed with it, it's not my guilty pleasure. Now it's annoying me. Like just be real.

Lori (55:15.975)
Right.

Lori (55:31.794)
Right, right. And that's what I don't like. Like I don't like those those times when I'm like, you know, it's just too much. Like you gotta stop it or like super nasty or you know, I like I like like the the funny moments with Haley. I do enjoy that. I do enjoy like the things that you know, I do enjoy like Erica's personality. I even enjoy d like Daisy just being a total asshole.

But it's just when they there's just certain times when it just gets over produced or over nasty and I'm just like

Kelli (56:07.576)
Well, I feel like these producers are casting women. They want the over the top, you know, and it's like, okay, but then you're listen, this cast works right now. This cast works right now because Daisy and Cy have been friends for twenty years. Jessel and Erica are extremely close and we know that because of their history, and we know that Jessel was at her wedding.

Wendy (56:16.339)
Yes.

Lori (56:33.576)
Wedding, right.

Wendy (56:34.857)
Right.

Kelli (56:35.006)
Haley, I don't know if she really knew Erin or Aaron really knew Hailey, it doesn't really matter because she is the wild card, but it's working. But sometimes when they take these people just because they're so over the top and then just pluck them on a franchise, it's like this makes no sense.

Wendy (56:39.515)
No. Haley is like the wild card. She's the wild card in this whole season.

Lori (56:57.202)
And encourage. I think it is there's a lot of encouraging of that behavior that we don't like. So that just you know, that gets to me.

Kelli (57:01.815)
yeah.

Kelli (57:05.207)
yeah.

Wendy (57:08.053)
So, you know, next week starts the Golden Life. I mean, I watched the like trailer or the preview or wh whatever it is, because I have it set up to record in my D VR. And I said to you guys, I'm not really excited about it. Obviously I'm gonna watch it. You I mean, you're probably gonna watch it, Kelly. I don't know. Lor Laura, you gonna watch it? Okay. No, I don't think we do either.

Kelli (57:12.225)
I know.

Kelli (57:28.13)
Definitely watching it, yeah.

Lori (57:29.596)
I'm gonna wa I I would watch that.

Kelli (57:31.374)
I don't think we'd need to do a recap every week on this show, but I wanna watch it and we can talk about it when we want.

Lori (57:34.577)
No.

Wendy (57:38.462)
Yeah. But again, I don't know. Like, you know, we have kind of expectations 'cause we've known these women for a very long time, right? Kelly and I have. Laura, you haven't. But Kelly and I we have these expectations 'cause we've known these women for such a long time and I'm just wondering, first of all, I think that Kelly Bensimone is n is like the round round thing in the square peg. Like she doesn't even fit. Like I I do not even know why she's there. I don't know why she's there.

Lori (57:49.448)
Yeah, not me. Yeah, not

Kelli (58:00.344)
Outcast.

For sure. She doesn't fit.

Does not fit. And I don't know who wanted her back because she was horrendous as a housewife. Crazy as the day is long, but not an enjoyable. Like so is Ramona. Ramona's crazy. Ramona was, despite the end where she got, you know, out of line. Right. She was like an enjoyable crazy. Kelly was not enjoyable. She, it was just like, okay.

Wendy (58:09.374)
Right?

Wendy (58:16.701)
Yeah. I don't know.

Wendy (58:28.541)
Yeah, but she has some redeeming qualities. I feel like Ramona has some redeeming qualities.

Wendy (58:36.628)
Yes.

Kelli (58:36.803)
Like honestly, someone needs to bring her to a facility. She's not making sense. She's making things up that she actually believes happened that didn't happen.

Wendy (58:41.439)
Totally agree. No, I agree.

Lori (58:47.208)
Kinda like that scene with Luann in the hotel room. Then I was like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Kelli (58:52.142)
Yeah, well I'm pretty sure she was under the influence of something.

Wendy (58:52.349)
Yes. Yes. And I'm so curious to see what Luann is like in this show with these other women that she's known for so long. And like we all said, like

Lori (58:58.034)
In that show, right, right, right.

Kelli (59:01.026)
Well, I said it before. I don't want to see them getting all wasted and acting a fool. 'Cause it's I don't I'm I'm not gonna watch it then.

Wendy (59:05.628)
No, I don't either.

Lori (59:09.106)
Right. So we'll have to say. Yeah.

Wendy (59:09.415)
No. So we'll just have to I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens. But I think that you said earlier, like there's an expiration date on these things. We already said we feel like OC is at their expiration date. I mean, Rony's on season sixteen. I think they may be very close to their expiration date as well. I do.

Kelli (59:21.122)
Yeah. And it

Lori (59:28.712)
Yeah. So

Kelli (59:28.834)
They already should have ended Jersey, but

Lori (59:31.816)
We'll see.

Wendy (59:32.147)
Yeah, we're gonna get an yeah, we're gonna get another season and we'll see what happens.

Lori (59:35.316)
We'll see what happens. So everybody, if you could please go to our YouTube and like us on Facebook, Instagram, Tiki Taki, and we'll see you next time.

Kelli (59:35.63)
Yeah, we'll see.

Kelli (59:46.063)
I just thought of Vinny from Jersey Shore. Tiki doggy, tikkie doggy. all right, we're just under an hour. we hit it. Damn it. All right, bye.

Lori (59:53.748)
Tik-Taki, Tiki Taki. Matiki Daki.

Wendy (59:55.271)
It's so funny.

Wendy (01:00:01.397)
Okay. Bye.

Lori (01:00:02.773)
Okay. Bye.