RHOP S12 E2 Recap: Wendy vs. Karen — Who Owes Whom an Apology?

Wendy (00:00.925)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. And we are here talking about Real Housewives of Potomac. But before we do, I'd like to ask everyone to please head over to YouTube and hit subscribe. And if you haven't done it already, please go to Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok and follow us. Give us five star reviews and tell your friends. And thank you. So this one is episode, excuse me, season twelve, episode two.

Kelli (00:04.234)
I'm Kelly.

Kelli (00:22.574)
Thank you.

Wendy (00:29.637)
I don't even know. Sophia Sophia home exclamation point. I can't even say it right to be honest with you. Way I mean

Kelli (00:38.118)
This is to me, and I would love the listeners reaction. This to me is so insulting. Sophia in the color purple is a victim.

Wendy (00:49.971)
She is a victim.

Kelli (00:52.344)
Karen Huger is not a victim.

This was the most outlandish thing I I I I can't even if I I listen, I never had a problem with Karen, but I really do now.

Wendy (00:56.436)
Yeah.

Wendy (01:07.547)
Yeah. It's so interesting 'cause listening to the court of like public opinion, like I was listening to so Giselle was on Watch What Happens Live last night. I didn't watch it, but I listened to the pod on the way home from work where she was talking to Andy and you know, Giselle is saying that she and k she really likes Karen and sh you know, their banter and Karen did say that Giselle was there for her. Andy also

says that, you know, Giselle is apologizing a lot this season and she's owning her stuff. Yeah, okay. She's apologizing and she's owning it, but she keeps doing it over and over again.

Kelli (01:43.124)
Exactly. Exactly. And showing and showing zero of her real life. Zero. We see nothing from Giselle.

Wendy (01:45.992)
So I don't get

Wendy (01:50.73)
Well well that's it. That is it. I mean, we are seeing Karen's life. So we'll you know, we'll get into this one. So we pick up where we left off with Tia telling the ladies, and the ladies were who are the ladies again? I didn't write it down. Wendy and Stacy. Yes, that she that she spoke to Rob and that he admitted it that he was on the dating website and he had been on it a year. And

Kelli (02:04.866)
Wendy and Stacy, I believe, right? Mm-hmm.

Wendy (02:20.713)
She asked she had to ask him to take it down. He just didn't do it voluntarily. She felt humiliated, which I don't blame her, to be quite honest with you. And Yeah, yeah. And then I mean, then we learn later on in the episode that this wasn't the first time he's been on a dating app.

Kelli (02:30.538)
either. It's like as soon as she got on the show, he went on a dating app.

Kelli (02:44.11)
That's a little wild.

Wendy (02:45.731)
yeah, that's that's what I think. I mean I did like the advice that she got from Wendy because she's talking about her daughter Sienna and how she's daddy's girl and she's gonna be eighteen next year. And Wendy says, Listen, you're carrying enough already as a mom. Like let him carry this one. This one's on him.

Kelli (02:54.03)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (03:06.476)
Yeah, because I think T is worried about how her kids are going to react to the way she handles this. Mm mm. Your kids should be reacting to the fact that your husband did this and put you in a position to have to react.

Wendy (03:14.589)
No, I think

Wendy (03:21.921)
I thought that she was saying that she needs to react the right way because she's tr she's training her daughters how to react in these circumstances. So she has to take, you know, I I don't know if she wants to was what I was getting. I don't know if she wants to end the marriage. Well, she's you know, she says she's not sure, but I don't I don't know that she really wants to

Kelli (03:26.784)
Right.

Kelli (03:33.098)
Right. And that's

Kelli (03:45.857)
Yeah.

Wendy (03:48.97)
Do what needs to get done or just ignore it, which was obviously the easiest answer. And you know, it's hard for any of us to judge her because we're not in that situation. You know, her kids are young. you know, the the twins are, I think, eleven, and her daughter is very impressionable. You want to set the right example, but then part of you is like, Do I really want to this is hard. Like, do I really want to deal with this now? You know what I'm saying? Like it's a big decision. It's a big decision. And

Kelli (04:13.548)
Right, of course, of course. It's it is a decision, but she shouldn't carry the burden of being you know, her kids feeling a certain way about her behavior in this scenario. She didn't cause it.

Wendy (04:18.749)
Yeah, and there's a lot of people involved in it. No.

Wendy (04:30.289)
No, I I totally agree. It's definitely not her it's not on her. It's definitely on him. But that doesn't as a mom, it doesn't diminish how you're gonna feel about it. You're still gonna feel, you know, however you're gonna feel. Then we see Wendy, she's meet Karen, she's meeting with her event planner, which again th she said that the girls want to celebrate her and she wants to transform the health center into a soft place for them.

Kelli (04:39.328)
Of course. Of course. Yeah.

Kelli (05:00.75)
She has no shame this woman. She does not feel bad. She is has learned nothing. This is just an excuse for Karen to have a party for Karen.

Wendy (05:11.881)
That's what it was. And it w it was a j honestly, I thought it was a joke to be it was it was a joke.

Kelli (05:16.372)
A real especially when we find out what service she was having done and had to watch that. I don't wanna watch that. Thank you anyway.

Wendy (05:22.361)
my gosh.

Wendy (05:26.985)
I mean she's isn't she sixty three years old? Like why why are you doing this? Seriously. I mean, damn you look great, Karen. We would have never known about that situation going on. We would have never known.

Kelli (05:29.164)
Yeah. What are you doing? Right.

Kelli (05:38.356)
No, and I don't wanna kn I don't I don't please, please.

Wendy (05:41.642)
Don't tell us. Yeah, I totally agree. So she explains that she's, you know, the theme of the party is from the color purple and Sophia was played by Oprah Winfrey. She was in jail. but production tells us that, you know, when she got out of jail, she was forced to work as a maid for the mayor's wife. Not exactly the same as to what's going on with you there, Karen.

Kelli (06:11.367)
Not at all. Not at all.

Wendy (06:13.161)
Hmm. So then we see Stacy at her house with Timo and their daughter Arabella and her dog. I'm not sure of the dog's name. I'm going with Chico because that was one of the names they called it.

Kelli (06:23.63)
thought it said Chico, but you're right, she called him something else. Yeah.

Wendy (06:26.095)
Something else, yeah. So they're gonna have a dog trainer come over to teach the dog, I guess, to stop barking or I it seems like just normal dog training and I guess this is new because I don't recall her having a dog and I guess now that

Kelli (06:39.724)
I think she says she got the dog during the separation, so now Timo's home and it's a little bit of a adjustment.

Wendy (06:42.706)
Yes.

Wendy (06:47.079)
Yeah. Yeah. I I get that. Then she's talking

Kelli (06:50.882)
But the daughter the daughter does not seem very attached to the dog. She's like, This is the worst dog on earth.

Wendy (06:57.819)
Mm-hmm. I know. And then even when she said, you know, we're gonna have to work out like a schedule on who's gonna take the dog out, her daughter like scooted up the stairs, like, count me out. Okay. so she starts telling her husband about Tia and the how they found the pictures on the website of her hus her husband on this dating website. And Stacy tells her that, you know, sh

Kelli (07:09.56)
Bye.

Wendy (07:27.717)
She's you know, Tia's obviously married, but she thinks that which I thought was very weird that she thinks Tia said to her, and I don't remember this last year on the reunion that Stacy married up. Do you remember her s you do remember her saying that?

Kelli (07:41.955)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They were not they were not good at that reunion. No, I do remember her basically telling Stacy like you you know, he's whatever, you married up and now you're trying to act all prim and proper.

Wendy (07:47.547)
No. No, they weren't but

Wendy (07:56.465)
Yeah. Which is

I mean, I wonder why she said that. D do you think it's because he's from another country? Be Yeah. I mean I think that's kind of how she meant it, right?

Kelli (08:04.738)
That's how I took it personally.

Kelli (08:09.854)
Or I mean, he is very wealthy. He what he did something with cars, right? Audi? Yeah, we looked it up. But you know yeah, but I mean listen, she was on QVC.

Wendy (08:16.351)
We looked it up last year. Yeah, yeah. He was like a big executive. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, a hundred percent. Yeah. Sh she is. She really is. And it's funny because when Karen w was on Watch What Happens live last week, she referred to Stacy as AI and Giselle kind of gave her the same kind of nod to Stacy, like they don't think she's real. I think it's that they can't live up to who Stacy is 'cause Stacy is TV perfection. Like

Kelli (08:25.91)
And she's gorgeous. Izzy's gorgeous.

Kelli (08:52.194)
They can't read her. They can't read her. Because even if you do insult her or throws slings something out, she just handles it.

Wendy (08:53.927)
Right. That's what it is.

It yay.

Wendy (09:03.893)
She's on bothered. She's unbothered. And that just doesn't fly well. Next thing we see is Wendy goes over to her mom's house. we find out that her mom, Susan, still has her Christmas tree up 118 days after Christmas. And Easter is 17 days away. Susan, take down the damn tree.

Kelli (09:05.6)
Yep. Yep.

Kelli (09:27.95)
Mm so funny.

Wendy (09:30.502)
It was funny. you know, she reminds us that her and her mom were not in a good place last season and we saw that. I mean, her mom was very brutal with her. They had a real, you know, fight, a real verbal altercation. but her mom is there for her when it really counts and she really needs her mom. She's telling the ladies up she's telling her mom about certain ladies are supporting her and others aren't. And her mom says, you know.

Kelli (09:36.501)
Uh-huh.

Kelli (09:44.291)
Yeah.

Wendy (09:58.516)
That Karen, she needs to n not be using my name and if she wants a reference she can go to the library.

Kelli (10:05.56)
Yeah. I like that Wendy said that.

Her family and Eddie's family were rallying around.

Wendy (10:14.055)
Yes. I like

Kelli (10:15.692)
I mean I hate what they're going through because I hate to think that it might be true. I I'm really still praying that it's non it's not looking good. But I mean, listen, if it brought their family together, at least that's something.

Wendy (10:23.816)
Mm.

Wendy (10:31.975)
I agree. you know, Wendy is sitting in the confessional and a producer 'cause she says, you know, my mom loves my mom loves Eddie and the producer asks her, if your mom blames him for what's going on. And Wendy's response was, Well, you're gonna have to leave that question to her which was the right response. But I think that that's what is going on here. I think that I as much as I don't

Kelli (10:53.166)
Yeah.

Wendy (11:00.381)
I don't know. I think that Wendy may have in fact been blindsided by this whole thing. Yes, we know that she gave him information about receipts and things like that. I don't know. I don't know.

Kelli (11:16.47)
Whether Wendy knew about anything or not, she is certainly insinuating that Eddie is the guilty party.

Wendy (11:23.378)
Yes. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (11:27.827)
She's also she gave us an update at that point. The next hearing was May twentieth and it was a status hearing. They were gonna decide probably setting a date or going from there. But I don't even think we have a date yet as of today, right? she said that this is, you know, it this has been her darkest moment. And I could see where that would happen. I can't imagine, you know, you're on top of the world and then all of a sudden this happens.

Kelli (11:27.907)
So

Kelli (11:38.584)
Trial. I don't think so. Nope. Nope.

Kelli (11:57.219)
Yep. Yep.

Wendy (11:58.73)
That being said, I don't think this is the best time to be buying a new car, Wendy. Like I don't know what she's thinking. No. Like what are you thinking, Wendy?

Kelli (12:03.434)
Mm no. Not a G Wagon.

Kelli (12:09.262)
I don't know. I and I I just you know, if this is true, because everything's alleged, if this is true, I just don't understand how people think they're gonna get away with it. Like I you know, of course there you want to compare it to to Joe and Teresa Judece. honestly, Joe Judece, with all due respect, not the smartest man. He probably really did think he was gonna get away with that. I mean, I don't know how or why, but you know, at the time

Wendy (12:14.728)
Right.

Kelli (12:38.67)
Real estate was very inflated. Mortgages were g be being given to people who never should have received mortgages in certain amounts. It was a different time. Eddie is a a well educated man. So it is if this is true, it's very surprising to me that either one of them would think they could get away with it. They're very well read people, very intelligent.

Wendy (12:48.881)
Absolutely. It totally was.

Wendy (12:55.187)
Yes.

Wendy (13:03.327)
Both of them. Both of them. Yes. Unlike Joe and Teresa. Yeah, no, but it's true. I know, but it's true. It's true.

Kelli (13:10.362)
That's what I'm saying. Like I I'm not I'm not trying to ba you know, 'cause I you know I can, but yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (13:19.573)
So the next thing we see is Courtney and her sons Carter and Casey. They're going into this church, and we find out that she is on a journey to become an ordained minister. And she was a pastor's daughter, and she rebelled when she was younger. I don't know. I l every time we hear about a pastor's daughter, I think that they have all rebelled. I think that was Katy Perry's story. I can't like many people have said that. Like, that's like when you're a pastor's daughter, that's what you're gonna do. That

Kelli (13:43.038)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (13:47.672)
But she did say her dad like let her find her own way, which is, you know, but that's having great faith doing that.

Wendy (13:52.232)
Great. Yeah. Yeah. Well, even even Mary Cosby, you know, she adm she admitted that she like she you know, she was kicked out of the church too. Like sh you know, the people have to find their own way. So she's practicing doing her, you know, preaching sermon. And let me just tell you, then her son gets up there. I mean, I thought he killed it. I think that he will be

Kelli (13:57.999)
Mm-hmm. Yes, she did.

Kelli (14:11.458)
Sermon, yeah.

Kelli (14:19.586)
He's him.

Wendy (14:20.711)
And I think he really wants to do it. The other one's like, Yeah, no, I don't want any part of this. But the older one, he's like, Yeah, I I can do this. I'm gonna follow in grandpa's legacy. Let's do this.

Kelli (14:29.954)
He had more of a presence than she did up there, I felt like. He had more like charisma up there.

Wendy (14:32.329)
He I d I He Yeah, he did. we also find out that her husband's originally from France and that they've been married for sixteen years and two of them they were separated and that there was infidelity on both sides. Now that seems to be a pattern. I l it's not just in Potomac. I mean, in this particular cast it seems to be a pattern but 'cause it it comes out. I mean

Kelli (14:58.4)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (15:00.989)
It's it happened with Stacy, it happened with Robin, it's happened with Courtney. who else has it happened with? I feel like there's others on this cast. Yeah. And even well Giselle. Right. And she took back. But I mean she didn't. Yep. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Kelli (15:09.678)
Well, I I'm sure it happened with Karen and and Ray. We just don't know it yet. I mean obviously Giselle got cheated on.

Sharice, remember when we met Sharice? Her husband He was a dog.

Kelli (15:30.388)
Ashley and Michael.

Wendy (15:30.399)
So it's unfortunate. Yep.

Kelli (15:34.252)
I mean they had like they had like threesomes in their marriage. Like they were open.

Wendy (15:41.726)
Yeah, no, they were open, but then Ashley decided that that wasn't for her anymore and and Michael said, Well, right, I'm I'm gonna keep going. The next thing we see is tea at her house and she's talking to her kids. her mom is coming to visit for a few months 'cause her mom lives over in England and you know, it's a special time when her mom is there. She feels like she needs her mom now, but when the invite went out for mom to come for three months, she was not aware of what was going on.

Kelli (15:45.536)
Right. When she had children.

Wendy (16:10.471)
with her husband. So she's dreading telling her mom. That being said, she needs her mom because her mom has been through this. You know, her father had children with other women as well. I mean, not that he not that Rob has done this, but, you know, I think she will be a good support for for Tia. and when Rob comes in, honestly, like he's just such a jerk. Like really.

Kelli (16:23.054)
Whole other family.

Kelli (16:39.19)
It's just so awkward.

Wendy (16:41.329)
It really is. It really is.

Kelli (16:44.172)
And she said it's not big enough to get divorced, but it's definitely exposing a bigger issue in the marriage.

Wendy (16:53.385)
That's why I said to you, like, because when she has a conversation with Giselle, I think she set thinking to herself at this point before she talked to Giselle. Like, if this is all that's happened, like I I have this whole family with him. I I mean, if this is a one off, like we can get through this. But then when she talks to Giselle, she lets us know that this had happened before, and Giselle explains her situation, although

You know, sh Giselle said that hers was in like not in not in public. Yes, it was in the public. Everyone knew.

Kelli (17:29.378)
Well, she wasn't on the show yet, at least. Nobody I mean, other than their circle, their community. It wasn't like it happening now on on TV, you know? yeah, that's how I took it. But but I but I liked what Giselle said when she was like, I had to figure out if this was going to be a lifestyle choice, and it was a lifestyle choice. So he was not stopping.

Wendy (17:38.747)
Right. Okay. Yeah. All right. Well that makes sense.

Wendy (17:55.562)
Right. Right. And I like that she also says

Kelli (17:58.925)
And he's a pastor for crying out loud.

Wendy (18:02.633)
But they're held to a different standard. Always men are always held to a different standard when it comes to this. I I like that she said to Tia, give it three hundred and sixty five days. I think that that's I think that that's good advice. I do. I think it's good advice.

Kelli (18:13.027)
Yeah.

I agree. Very good advice.

Wendy (18:20.053)
J Okay, so Giselle meets up with her friend Cal, which we've seen Cal many times. From season one, he's been around. And she's talking about her daughter Angel she spoke to and a doormate call, and she's excited about the relationship that she has with her daughters now. And she wants to start she wants she wants to give Cal the dirt on, you know, what's going on with Tia.

Kelli (18:22.56)
I love the scene with Giselle and Cal.

Kelli (18:28.876)
Yep. Season one.

Wendy (18:47.921)
And honestly, I love that Cal called her out on it. He said, You're not being a good friend.

Kelli (18:52.142)
Especially when she said, Remember when I showed you those pictures? 'Cause you know damn well it wasn't like, Ashley, do you think that this is her h it was like, Girl, look at who I saw on the dating app and she probably did that to everybody who would listen.

Wendy (18:55.925)
Mm.

Wendy (19:04.293)
Mm-hmm. Yep. Yep. And he called her out on it. He called her out. And honestly, I think that's a good friend. Someone who someone who calls you out on your bullshit.

Kelli (19:10.658)
Mm-hmm.

Very good run.

Kelli (19:18.166)
And listen, Giselle's very smart because she knew he was gonna do that. And if she was gonna have a conversation with anybody who was gonna tell her she needs to be a better friend, and that was wrong, it had to be him because who else could do it? Ashley. Ashley's nobody's friend. Robin can't do it. Robin's acted just as poorly as she has, although I think Robin's been great so far this season and she looks amazing. But in the past

Shi no nobody else could call Giselle out for that behaviour except this guy.

Wendy (19:49.222)
I totally agree with you. And I do think that we are going to see a new Robin this season. I was I was listening to Humble Bragg today and do you remember last week they said that what's the new girl's name? Cour Cor S did Cynthia's wedding. So she was talking about that and how she knew her and how the whole wedding thing went down and then it came up about Robin because Robin

Kelli (19:54.648)
Yeah.

Kelli (20:04.558)
Courtney did Cynthia's wedding.

Wendy (20:18.289)
Cynthia was just on traders with Giselle. They were both away on Traders and she just got back. And Crystal did an episode of Humble Bragg with Robin. And Robin reached out to Cynthia before she came back as a friend of because she really was concerned about coming back. And Cynthia kind of really sold her on the friend of role. And I really think that we are going to see like

The real Robin this season. I think that she does. She's already called out Giselle. I I she's called out Ashley. Not not yet one hundred percent to their face, but I I think she's going to. I yeah, I think the fact that she doesn't have to cover up for Juan, that she can be her own true self. And you know, Cynthia said to her, Listen, you got a lot going on in your life. You want to promote that. You want to use this platform to your benefit. She's got that new spa that she just opened up.

Kelli (20:54.594)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (21:00.526)
Think we're gonna see it next week.

Kelli (21:06.989)
Right.

Kelli (21:17.9)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (21:18.601)
You know, she's got things going on that she could use this for good. And I think honestly, I'm here for it. I really am here for it. I am.

Kelli (21:22.67)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (21:28.61)
Yeah, I agree.

Wendy (21:31.437)
Then we see Giselle and Tia meet up to go tulip picking. that's just so Giselle can, you know, do her little apology tour.

Kelli (21:45.837)
Right.

Wendy (21:47.782)
which again we know we know what it is. Like it's just Giselle being Giselle. You know, Cal said she was wrong. She's right.

Kelli (21:53.976)
Yeah. She's just

Damage control. But Wendy and Robin sat down together because Robin reached out to Wendy, which I thought was really nice. And I liked that Robin said there was never a big issue between the two of them. It was just toxicity in the group that wouldn't allow them to have a friendship. And that toxicity was Giselle and Ashley.

Wendy (21:58.782)
Right.

Wendy (22:04.075)
yes, get that. Yes.

Wendy (22:24.499)
Yes, it was.

Kelli (22:26.444)
I'm sorry, they're both so bothered by successful successful, happily married women.

Wendy (22:36.349)
I agree. I agree. Yeah, no, I know I totally agree.

Kelli (22:37.218)
Giselle and Ashley.

Wendy (22:44.905)
So Giselle admits to Tia that she was wrong and you know, she, you know, plays it off that I was trying to show it to Ashley because like she's on those da I didn't I didn't know, but no. She does she does apologize and Tia accepts her apology and she's like, Listen, I don't I don't want this to be on your podcast and she's like, no, no, I won't bring it up, not unless you do. Well, why is Tia gonna bring it up?

Kelli (23:12.142)
Right.

Wendy (23:13.297)
And even like when it was brought up, because that's that's kind of what Wendy said to Robin, you know, I don't like that you were talking shit about me on your podcast. And Robin first starts, Well, it's the news and then Wendy put her you know, she said, Listen, you can talk about it, but you don't have to talk about it the way you did. And that's that's what it's all about, you know?

Kelli (23:31.83)
Right, right. Right.

I love when they flashed back with all the bullshit Giselle tried to bring to the other women with like with their husbands. The the Candace one was so ridiculous that Chris made her feel uncomfortable. That was that was the that was the worst thing. But like to to imply that this man is being somewhat

Wendy (23:51.601)
Yes, I know.

Kelli (24:04.352)
threatening to you where you know damn well he wasn't. That's a horrible, horrible thing to say about someone's husband.

Wendy (24:08.07)
No, absolutely not.

It is. It is. so then after Giselle and Tia kind of make up, Tia brings up that she really wants to be there to support Wendy. And she wants all the girls to rally around to support Wendy. And Giselle's like, yeah, I I want to be there to support her, but she's kind of a scammer. Wait, what? I mean, you can't What?

So listen, Tia says like you cannot be the judge and the jury, like we have to we have to be there for her. Yep.

Kelli (24:49.644)
Let it play out. Right, and be there for her in the meantime.

Wendy (24:53.885)
Right. And then in her confessional, she's like, Listen, I cannot believe that Giselle said this out loud. Tia, just keep watching, 'cause that's what Giselle does. She says the stuff out loud. And she right. And then she does it again. Yep. so then it's Wendy it's Karen's party. Ashley's the first to arrive. she is of my gosh.

Kelli (25:05.624)
And then she apologizes for it afterwards. And then she does it again.

Kelli (25:18.574)
Boaster.

Wendy (25:21.403)
She's shading it for being in a strip mall, which I I don't blame her. she said it's giving her vibes of her I didn't even remember it, her vow renewal, which is was also in a strip mall.

Kelli (25:32.438)
It was like a it was almost like a like an industrial park. That's what it looked like, right?

Wendy (25:36.007)
I it was. Yeah, it's it. It was like a building with like a door. Yeah.

Kelli (25:41.048)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it was a loading dock.

Wendy (25:45.331)
Yeah.

Kelli (25:48.478)
That was so funny.

Wendy (25:51.39)
Tia shows and they're all talking about the color purple, but do they have purple? Nobody purple. Who has purple in their wardrobe? People do not generally have purple in their wardrobe.

Kelli (25:59.843)
No, but I thought they were all wearing like some kind of shade, like lilac. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wendy (26:02.717)
They looked great. Yeah, no, they did. They looked good. They tried to, you know, they tried to do it. and then Giselle shows up. Of course, she's shading again the warehouse and the location in Bowie and and telling us where Bowie is and where Potomac is and how in Potom landscape, 'cause there's beautiful flowers and grass in Potomac, and in Buoy there's not that landscape. I was like, okay.

Kelli (26:14.946)
Boy.

Kelli (26:21.026)
And the difference in landscape.

Kelli (26:29.442)
And she's like, and no shade to buoy. Will you just shade a buoy? Big time.

Wendy (26:33.097)
You sure did shade buoy. You sure did.

and then Ashley tries to apologize to Tia. She's like, I appreciate that I have this time to talk to you. You know, I've I've had some thoughts about you and I I'm learning to be a little bit softer and honestly I can take ownership in that. And wait, what? No.

Kelli (26:54.722)
He is like if this is you being softer, yike.

Wendy (26:57.221)
Yeah. Yeah. Robin shows up next. Again, now everyone's there at this point, and Karen's not there. Nobody knows exactly what's going on, and then all of a sudden the party planner shows up and tells them to grab their drinks that the guest of honor has arrived. Okay.

Kelli (27:17.922)
Guest of Honor The Ex Con

Wendy (27:23.461)
I know. I know. So they go all into the other room and they're waiting and my gosh. When she walked in with the shoes, the gray wig, the dress, I I what are

Kelli (27:43.128)
Yeah. I mean

I it I just find it very it's almost like she's making a joke of it. Like honestly, she learned nothing. She has no zero accountability. She thinks this is all a big joke, and Bravo is complying with it by allowing her to be on the show and doing this nonsense. Producers knew what she was doing. Nobody thought to pull her aside and be like, do you understand the impact of the movie, the color purple?

Wendy (28:06.237)
Yeah, it was Yeah.

Kelli (28:14.796)
And do you understand you choosing to drink and drive four times in no way correlates to anything that anyone in the color purple had gone through?

Wendy (28:23.958)
No, it does not. It does not.

Kelli (28:25.838)
I mean it's wow.

Wendy (28:28.861)
It is whacked. It really is. so after she arrived, she's she's telling the ladies that, you know, there are pleth what is she she didn't say plethora, but she tried to say plethora of services. And then Wendy corrects her and t you know, pronounces it properly, and then Karen tries to once again pronounce it properly. But she's chosen which service each person's going to get. So even though there's a plethora for everyone to choose from.

Kelli (28:43.576)
She mispronounced it.

Wendy (28:58.431)
Karen has done the choosing. This was weird. This is so weird.

Kelli (28:59.852)
Right. In a shady fashion. She's doling it out in a shady fashion.

Wendy (29:06.291)
Right, because she starts out with Ashley and that she is getting something that's called a sex bag and it's some sort of liquid IV. I was like, okay. You've gotta be kidding me. And then when she you know, we hear the r and then when she gets to Giselle and she says, You were getting the T shape, she said that you know, that firms up your wrinkles and your cellulite and it lifts the craters in your legs that fell out on the sofa in New York.

Kelli (29:33.614)
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. What are you doing?

Wendy (29:37.159)
I know, I know.

Kelli (29:39.542)
It was horrible.

Wendy (29:41.735)
And then Giselle's like, Well, you were only there for eight seconds. Well I love love that

Kelli (29:45.006)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (29:49.333)
Like

Kelli (29:50.648)
Doosers show Giselle's leg. I would be furious if I were her.

Wendy (29:53.632)
Course they do. Of course they do. Of course they do. And then Karen in her confessional says, Well we you know what we don't do is put on forever twenty one at fifty five years old and put your leg up and that let people see the craters. my god.

Wendy (30:18.993)
She announces to us what her services are. I'm not even gonna repeat it. I'm not

Kelli (30:23.412)
No, that was gross.

Wendy (30:26.109)
And then the ladies ask her, like, how do you know that that this is something you need? And she's like, Ray and they're like, But I thought you and Ray weren't being intimate. Well, I still walk around. wait, what?

Kelli (30:40.034)
Yeah, it and R the more Robin questioned her, the quicker she ran off.

Wendy (30:45.308)
Yeah.

Kelli (30:47.374)
She's like, Why aren't you wearing your ring?

Wendy (30:49.701)
Mm-hmm. Which is a valid question. Yeah. And when she was also, I don't know if you saw it, when she was on Watch What Happens Live, she said to Andy, Well, we've been married twenty nine years. And Andy's like, almost thirty. She's Well, we'll see if we make it. Stay tuned. So, you know, she's leading us to believe that she doesn't want to be there. And honestly, I feel bad for Ray. He's

Kelli (30:53.742)
Absolutely.

Kelli (31:16.29)
Right. I do too because how old is Ray? He's gotta be in his seventies, right? He don't he doesn't need this bullshit.

Wendy (31:24.18)
yeah. yeah, definitely. I think he might even be in his eighties to be quite honest with you.

Kelli (31:28.748)
Yeah, he should cut his losses. Unless unless she's paying the bills with her potomac check. I don't know, 'cause he got into some trouble there.

Wendy (31:31.337)
That's something else that

Wendy (31:39.644)
I don't know. So Giselle did say on Watch What Happens Live, you know, that she 'cause her the other person there was asked her if she put any money on the on the books for Karen when she was in jail. She's like, No, I didn't. She goes, I called up right 'cause I wanted to do that. I wanted to say I put money I put money on her book. She goes, 'Cause I don't date cons. So I needed to s you know, Karen needed to be the one I was gonna put money on and Ray said, No, he's got it covered.

She's like, but I did I did drop stuff off in the mailbox. So we know Ray was there for her. Like he like how can

Kelli (32:09.846)
All right.

Kelli (32:15.094)
Yeah. That's what I mean. Like he had to be there for you. I'm sure he was coming to see you. He's he's putting money on your books and you're p you know, humiliating him now.

Wendy (32:25.747)
Well that's it. That's it. It's sad.

Kelli (32:29.464)
Terrible.

Wendy (32:35.209)
So then we

Kelli (32:35.234)
How about when somebody asked Robin how long her and Juan have been married and she says she doesn't yeah, she doesn't remember because she doesn't remember when they got remarried. That's because you didn't. You didn't get remarried.

Wendy (32:40.03)
sh it's complicated.

Wendy (32:46.493)
Right, remember? It was supposed to be on the show. That's the other th and they showed us a picture. That's the other thing that comes up on Watch What Happens Live, 'cause Andy asks about Stacy and being divorced and seeing the divorce documents. And we know that this season we're going to see her remarry him 'cause I think next week he proposes, right? And Giselle said, Stay tuned. So I don't know if she ever actually did get divorced. I but who cares?

Kelli (32:51.256)
So bullshit.

Kelli (33:08.268)
Right.

Wendy (33:15.603)
Honestly, who cares? Yeah.

Kelli (33:15.672)
Who, Stacey? I mean listen, maybe they didn't. Maybe it got too complicated with the money. And maybe they're just gonna have a service, you know, another ceremony.

Wendy (33:21.735)
Right. Again, who cares?

Wendy (33:27.645)
Right. But that's the whole thing. Who cares? The fact that Giselle had to the f her and Ashley the first time had to go dig it up, say your lie like j like who cares?

Kelli (33:40.236)
And I'm sorry, we both know that those documents can be chat G B T A I you can you can drum up anything.

Wendy (33:46.408)
Yeah. Absolutely you can. You sure can. so then Tia and Wendy are talk are talking and Tia says, she's like, I was talking to Courtney and sh and then they're all of a sudden like, wait, where is Courtney? I guess Karen didn't invite Courtney. Which again is shady. and they're talking about ha Tia's telling her that, you know, she

Kelli (34:09.132)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (34:15.773)
Got encouragement from talking to Courtney because Courtney and her husband had separated for two years. And, you know, they're they're back together. So she said, I'm trying to rally, you know, the friends to support her. And she said, Well, Giselle's willing to support you, but she's kind of resistant because she thinks you're a scammer. And she tells her straight out. And Wendy's like,

Kelli (34:21.667)
Yeah.

Kelli (34:25.304)
Yeah.

Wendy (34:42.825)
And T's like, yeah nope, that's the word she used. She said that and she did. She did. and then Wendy's like, you know what? If that's how she feels about me, I don't want her I don't want her support. And I don't blame her. I wouldn't want her support either because it's not real.

Kelli (34:55.584)
Yeah, she said, I don't want someone who has the position that I'm a scammer around me. And Tia's saying Giselle's her good friend. I loved when Wendy said, Do you use the word friends all willy nilly now? Because we know these housewives, especially the best friend. You were my best friend. You were my best friend. You people don't even talk to each other when the cameras are down. So that is a bunch of nonsense.

Wendy (35:00.98)
Right.

Wendy (35:19.143)
It is a bunch of nonsense. So then after these crazy beauty treatments, they're all of a sudden gonna sit down and eat something. This was so weird.

Kelli (35:29.494)
Yes. Well and especially with Ashley in her confessionals saying what she said was so gross. Like she's so gross.

Wendy (35:39.601)
It was gross. And even the fact that when they're passing around the the shrimp and she's like, I only get one? And I'm thinking to myself, What are you gonna do with one shrimp? Wait, why are you only giving why you only giving her one shrimp?

Kelli (35:48.813)
Right. Yeah, that was a little weird. That was a little weird. They didn't have a I mean, I don't know if I would have said it right in front of the chef though. I think I would've let the chef walk away and then been like, wait, are we really only getting one shrimp each? Say what?

Wendy (35:59.094)
So then Giselle announces that she's going to the Hill for her brain tumor society to speak to Congress because she's such an advocate and she wants to get some advice from Wendy. Now Wendy, she didn't say anything be but she she could have because Tia had just told her what Giselle said. She just said, Okay. Just and again, sh honestly, this is what I like about Wendy. She

Kelli (36:16.708)
Mm-mm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (36:29.101)
is a class act, even if she may possibly be a scammer, she is a class act.

Kelli (36:30.604)
Yes. Yes. But in her confessional, she's like, You have some damn nerve. And she sure does.

Wendy (36:38.163)
Yeah.

So then Wendy asked Karen if there's a silver lining while she was away. And she said, Well, knowing that I could make it through, and he is like, Well, it must have been, you know, quite a bit of an adjustment for you. She's Yeah, like all my liberties were taken away. You know, there was a steel door shut behind me. Okay, let's not make it so dramatic.

Kelli (36:59.49)
Right.

Wendy (37:03.483)
Wendy said, Karen, to be quite honest with you, I think you're being disingenuous. You are saying that you want to help these women who have been through what you went through when literally there was someone at this table right now going through it.

Kelli (37:24.236)
And you're kicking me when I'm down because Karen said she wants to work with women who are being released and have nowhere to go. Right. And Wendy's like, Well, I'm going through it and you're kicking me while I'm down.

Wendy (37:30.911)
Right.

Wendy (37:37.065)
Yep. And Wendy says, you know, you bring up my mom, which is a slap in the face. Karen does say, Listen, I did want you to shut the F up to protect yourself. Could I've used a a better word? Yes, I could have. Okay.

Wendy (37:59.734)
Karen says but our charges are very different. Well she's not wrong, but one is I mean I guess they're both criminal, but one could kill somebody. Right? I mean

Kelli (38:06.562)
She's not wrong.

Kelli (38:16.182)
Yeah, yes, yes.

And when Wendy said, At least I showed up to the reunion, when you were in the hot seat, you never showed up and Karen said, I had to go to treatment and Giselle and Wendy are both basically saying word on the streets is you were not in rehab.

Wendy (38:23.155)
So

Wendy (38:35.239)
And Ashley. Ashley co signed on it too.

Kelli (38:40.696)
So are we gonna find out that Karen was in fact not in treatment when the reunion happened and she did just choose not to go? Well then she should be fired like Lisa Vanderpomp was. You don't go to a reunion, you get fired.

Wendy (38:45.685)
I don't think she was.

Wendy (38:55.807)
Yeah, but Mary Cosby didn't go to a reunion and they brought her back and we love Mary.

Kelli (39:01.656)
She didn't go. Jacqueline Lorita didn't either, but I think that that was the best thing she could have done 'cause for her own mental health, you know. yeah.

Wendy (39:08.872)
Yeah.

Wendy (39:12.841)
Listen, there's different rules for for different housewives. We all know that. This is nothing new, right?

Kelli (39:17.416)
No, and I forget why Mary didn't go.

Wendy (39:20.881)
I I know why Mary didn't go. It's because if that's when all the stuff was coming out about the church.

Kelli (39:26.494)
okay. So it is a very similar situation. She just wanted to avoid the questioning.

Wendy (39:32.465)
Yeah. And then she she didn't come back. Right? She took two seasons off or I don't think they told her not to come back, even though that would be what should have happened, 'cause she didn't show up to the reunion. But I think when she didn't show up to and even with Lisa Vanderbomb, so she didn't show up to the Beverly Hills reunion, but she still has other shows on Bravo, so you know.

Kelli (39:35.648)
Right. She didn't.

Kelli (39:46.06)
Yeah.

Kelli (39:55.961)
Can you believe that Bravo is putting a Las Vegas show what are they doing? These shows suck. By the way, wait, are we done with Potomac? That was it, right? Okay. So I don't understand why Lisa Vanderpump's getting another show on Bravo. Cause I think the reboot of Vanderpump sucked, right? Nobody really watched it. So this show's gonna suck too. We know that. In the City is not filming.

Wendy (40:03.549)
We're done. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm done.

Wendy (40:12.007)
Yes. I that's that's

Wendy (40:19.74)
What?

Kelli (40:21.33)
I saw that Lindsay somebody asked Lindsay if it was true that West was going to be on this season of In the City and she was like, We're not even filming.

Wendy (40:36.893)
That's not good.

Kelli (40:37.624)
So I'm wondering if that show is coming back.

I mean, I kinda hope so. All these babies were just born. Like, let's go.

Wendy (40:44.255)
think it I think it it has to come back. Maybe that's what it is. Because all these babies were just born in September. They're gonna do a delayed you know, give these women a chan a chance to get through the first three to four months of their children's lives, right? And then start filming.

Kelli (40:50.082)
Maybe they're just waiting.

Kelli (40:56.864)
Yeah. Yeah. And listen, there's nothing better than the city at Christmas. So s film them then. 'Cause they kind of ended right after Thanksgiving, I feel like.

Wendy (41:02.599)
Right. Yeah.

Wendy (41:09.405)
Yeah, I don't know if you watched Below Deck Mediterranean that just ended with Captain Sandy. So Joe Bradley, who has been on Below Deck, is he is the biggest F boy out there. And he's dating Lindsay. Yes. I mean, he's he's he is a good looking guy. I will give him that. But and he's got a really cool accent. I'll give him that too.

Kelli (41:14.062)
I haven't watched any below decks in forever.

Kelli (41:24.886)
I know, and Lindsay's dating him. I can't believe it.

Kelli (41:35.928)
Yeah.

Wendy (41:36.149)
But I feel like Lindsay's smarter than that. I hope she doesn't get sucked into his but Carls co signed it and said that they're good. And I think it happened on the below deck summer house crossover. Cause that well, 'cause that happened. Like they filmed that this past summer.

Kelli (41:42.913)
I know.

Kelli (41:49.455)
I'll watch that episode.

Kelli (41:58.125)
Yeah, I'll wat yeah, I'll see it on Summer House then. I'm just I'm not interested in the below decks anymore. I I got I forget what turned me off to it, but I'm good. Well Bill likes it. Yeah. No, I don't blame you. If if Eric watched anything on Bravo with me, I'd stick with it. But yeah, yeah, I did hear that they were dating. But I do wonder if they're I don't think they're filming in the city.

Wendy (42:07.369)
Well, I still I have to watch them because that's the only show yes, that's the only show him and I watch together.

Wendy (42:24.083)
I think honestly, if they're not, that's the that's the reason I would say that they're not filming, is because those three women just gave birth in September, like they were all due, like Labor Day, all three of them. Give them give them till January. Like give these ladies at least until January. Let get through let get through the holidays. Give till January and then maybe you start filming. I heard for Next Gen NYC, I know you don't watch it, but I heard three

Kelli (42:28.696)
Yeah.

Kelli (42:39.19)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (42:54.101)
Full time castmates were not asked back. One of them was Hudson, which was Ariana's boyfriend who she broke up with in the beginning of season two. They did for a short amount of time. W which w which we didn't find out until the reunion is that, you know, he had a substance abuse problem and he went in for treatment.

Kelli (43:04.63)
I thought they got back together, they didn't.

Wendy (43:18.085)
And that was one of the things that Ariana was ask and he had said this in the beginning. They said that Ariana said there were specific things I asked for him to do and he said the same thing and and he didn't do them. So you know, he's but they'll be friends. They'll you know, there's they still consider each other family, which is fine. The other one was this girl, I cannot remember her name, but she was I didn't even know she was a full time cast member. She was friends

with the new guy that just came in who Ariana is with now.

Kelli (43:50.024)
she's actually dating him now?

Wendy (43:51.858)
I well, she's not saying she's dating him, but they were together at the VRT awards when Ariana won. And so I think that they're dating. And then the third one was I forget. I know. No, it was Brooke Shield's daughter. Brooke Shield's daughter's not coming back, and I really liked her. Like I felt like one season. Yeah. I feel like we didn't get a chance to really like I liked her.

Kelli (44:12.014)
Wow, she was only on one season?

Kelli (44:19.256)
She's probably too normal, isn't she?

Wendy (44:21.887)
She was very normal. She's so pretty. It's so Yeah, sh and she's so like she actually got a job in her she went to school. She was just she just graduated. She was probably one of the youngest ones too. She just graduated and she got a job like in her career, which was like something in like broadcast news or you know, she's gonna she's gonna be doing something. Like she probably didn't need this. Yes, exactly. Exactly.

Kelli (44:23.168)
Yeah. And God bless her for

Kelli (44:41.452)
I'm sure we'll see her on our screens again. And hopefully it's not on a cheesy reality TV show, you know?

Wendy (44:49.363)
Yeah. And then where was I listening to it? I was listening to Gia talking about her restaurants.

Kelli (44:55.816)
I heard there's very bad reviews.

Wendy (44:58.791)
So I I heard a couple bad reviews. She has said and she's talked about her vision. I don't remember which podcast I was listening to her on. But I will say this. I know that it's, you know, maybe she's a ten percent owner. She didn't say that, but I think we all know that that's what it is. I think she's very present in this. I think she goes there a lot. I think she has a vision. She named a specific restaurant that she really loves the vibe and she loves what they stand for and that's what she wants for this place, but it takes time to

Hire the right staff to get to that standard. Like if you're don't if you don't if you don't show up for your reserv, you lose your reservation. Things like that, like specifics. You have a two hour booked time, that's all you get. Things like that for like a high-end night club. It's this place is like a it's supposed to be like a New York vibe, turns into a club after a certain hour. So get a late reservation. No, it wasn't cousins.

Kelli (45:52.182)
It wasn't Cousins in Marlborough that she was talking about, was it? 'Cause you know we're getting one of those in brick and I could not be happier.

Wendy (45:58.002)
I do Yeah, I did know we were getting one in Brick. It wasn't cousins, it was something I can't remember the name of it, but I think that I think that she could be very successful in this business, in this space. I honestly, I think she could be like an L V because she is the demo and she I think I think she has the vision.

Kelli (46:04.695)
Okay.

Kelli (46:17.634)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (46:25.107)
And she's not a dumb girl. I mean, she did graduate from Rutgers

Kelli (46:27.128)
She's very smart. She's got to get away from her mother and Louie. She cannot have either one of them have anything to do with it, though. No, because her mom did this with her. She's got to break away from because she is incredibly smart. She's beautiful and she's got the name. And I agree with you. And listen, people are coming at them for it being a no kids restaurant. I'm sorry. That is completely allowed. Nettie's in Ocean Township is the same way. Listen.

Wendy (46:30.963)
Well, and she is

Wendy (46:36.871)
Our mom is a partner.

Wendy (46:41.524)
Mm.

Wendy (46:52.319)
Absolutely.

Mm.

Kelli (46:57.364)
Little kids don't belong everywhere. And if this is what this place wants to do, so be it.

Wendy (46:59.986)
No

Wendy (47:04.209)
I agree. Listen, there's certain places. This is not a family restaurant. This is this is a high end, upscale restaurant where you don't want kids an annoying you that turns into a nightclub at night. That is not where children belong. Sorry.

Kelli (47:07.981)
Right.

Kelli (47:14.38)
Right. There are plenty of family friendly Italian restaurants in New Jersey. Literally drive one block to the next and you'll find one. Great food.

Wendy (47:24.693)
that's where she was. She was on Evan Murphy and Danny Reels. She was on VRT and they were talking to her. So 'cause they were there for the opening. They're already completely booked until January. You can't even get a reservation. Her meatballs, she was talking about like some of her favorites. Her meatballs are actually her mother's meatball recipe from her grandmother that way back like it's the same meatballs. I honestly I I'll give it you know

eight, six months, six, eight months and I would like to go and and try the food to be good. I I know you don't.

Kelli (47:56.083)
Ugh, I I ca I have a really hard if it was just her and her mother had nothing to do with it, I'd be so much more inclined to do it. I just think that this is what this girl needs to do. She needs to break away from her mother and fucking screwy Louie. She really, really does.

Wendy (48:12.061)
Well, Christian is moving in with her November, November first. She she lives on her own. She lives in Jersey City. And they were thinking about moving to the city. But then, you know, 'cause she spent so much time in the city, but now that she has this restaurant, she spends so much time at the restaurant that she's there all the time. Like she's there I don't remember. Somewhere far though. Yeah, somewhere far. I mean, like I said, I would take the drive. Not I'm not going without you, but I would take the drive.

Kelli (48:14.936)
She's on her own, right? She lives on her own.

Kelli (48:28.908)
What town's the restaurant in?

Somewhere in North Jersey.

Kelli (48:37.442)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (48:42.281)
They have this machine, which is must be the machine they have at six one eight, where they can put your picture on the top of an espresso martini. Is that? I love that.

Kelli (48:49.774)
So good. And by the way, shout out to our waiter, John, right, at 618 in Freehold. This guy was amazing. So nice.

Wendy (48:54.825)
John. Yeah.

Wendy (49:01.181)
Yeah, so we went out to six eighteen in Freehold, Kelly, Lori and I to celebrate my birthday. My birthday was in July, but we did go in October. There was a lot going on. And next we have to go out and celebrate your birthday, Kelly, because yours was in September and we didn't celebrate it yet. No, no, no, no. No, no. I I have a we're we'll go to Lucky's to do yours. It's the sister restaurant to six one eight, right?

Kelli (49:15.53)
I felt like that was like, you know, enough for both of us. No, we could go out. We could go out.

Kelli (49:25.041)
that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Sister restaurant. Yeah.

Wendy (49:29.745)
So we had a great time. Our waiter was fabulous. And yeah, if you're in the freehold Mammoth County area, Meg's thing, she reviews restaurants and this is one of the ones that's right. It's actually like listed in like the top hundred restaurants in the United States. Like it's got like really crazy ratings.

Kelli (49:48.012)
Yeah. It was very good. It w the food was very good and the vibe, it's good just got a great vibe. And actually a young girl that grew up in our neighborhood got married there a couple of months ago and I saw the pictures from her wedding on Facebook and they were beautiful. And the restaurant's just it's just amazing. Really good.

Wendy (50:03.933)
Yeah. Yeah, so we recommend six one eight and freeholds. shout out to them. Ask for John, our waiter, and we will tag them in this and maybe six one eight will send us another invitation and we'll go back. Would love that. All right, anything else?

Kelli (50:08.449)
As for John.

Kelli (50:16.802)
That would be lovely.

Yeah. No, I think that's it. We covered a lot.

Wendy (50:23.605)
Alright, well thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five-star reviews. Bye.

Kelli (50:29.017)
Bye.