The Valley: Jesse Exposes Michelle & Janet Throws a Drink at Danny

Wendy (00:01.025)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.774)
I'm Kelly.

Lori (00:05.921)
And I'm Laurie.

Wendy (00:07.765)
We are here talking about the Valley Season Three, Episode 18, Season Finale, The Valley of the Damned. But before we do that, I'd like to ask everyone to head over to YouTube and hit subscribe. Follow us on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, all the socials. Give us five star reviews and comment. And thank you for if you've already done those things.

Kelli (00:29.438)
Thank you. So

Wendy (00:31.089)
So we start out at go ahead, no go ahead.

Kelli (00:34.418)
You want to talk about so let's just talk about two things. The first one being Jax's fake smart water partnership post that he put out. That ja Brittany was doing a podcast with Schwartz and totally called Jax out for doing this. Fake. It's it's saying it's fake. And then Jax

Wendy (00:36.671)
Yeah.

Lori (00:36.728)
Yeah.

Wendy (00:56.225)
'Cause Smartwater reached out to Brittany. Not only did like not only was it s right, it's like this is not re we do not we're not supporting this, right.

Kelli (00:59.492)
S right. Smartwater DM'd her.

Lori (00:59.917)
Yes.

Kelli (01:05.242)
It's not real. There's not a partnership. And then Jax responded by saying that he was tricked. He was, you know, scammed. Absolutely.

Wendy (01:13.963)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (01:15.256)
But isn't he dating isn't he dating like a publicist? Like wouldn't the publicist know whether something was legit or not? I mean, hello.

Wendy (01:19.893)
They're a publicist.

Kelli (01:21.799)
Yes.

Yes. And then Kristen Dody enters the chat and she says, I'm not I don't typically get involved, but I have to because and she shows this account or this post from a company, like an AI, where J Jax was using that company, that app or whatever, to make the fake

Wendy (01:25.567)
Yeah, but there's more to it.

Yeah, there's more to it.

Lori (01:38.862)
Mm.

Wendy (01:50.549)
That's what he did That's what he put in his screenshots saying that he was duped. He made it up. He made it up his his duped screenshots.

Kelli (01:59.592)
He's

Kelli (02:03.055)
I mean, it's wild. It's just yeah, it's just crazy. And then, okay, so that was one thing. The second thing is that Janet seems to be a little nervous because she's backstepping a little bit. Apparently she was interviewed. Now forgive me. I don't have my contacts in, so I can't put my readers on. So I have to take my real glasses off and put my phone screen two inches from my eyeballs. So Janet was interviewed.

Lori (02:05.729)
Unbelievable.

Wendy (02:09.312)
I mean it's typical. It's typical.

Kelli (02:31.643)
reality blurb reported. And there's two things I wanted to point out. she said that the shift in fan sentiment amid season three, she added that because of the hate she previously received, she learned not to take any of it too serious, meaning the fans reaction. To be honest, because I got so much negativity in season one and two

I really had to make it my priority not to put value in what people thought of me either way and just really concentrate on what are my actual friend group and family's responses to me? That was the one piece of bullshit she said. Then she was asked about a reconciliation with the bookos. Janet hinted it was possible. We've seen them, this is a quote. We've seen them a couple of times at Jasmine and Melissa's wedding and

And then obviously at the reunion. And I do think there were important conversations that we hadn't had yet, especially at the reunion where I felt like, okay, we're making some progress here. Or we're at least willing to have the tough conversations and see each other's perspectives. Then she goes on to say, kind of defending she and Jason for her and Jason for defending excuse me. Jack's basically saying that, you know.

His his actions were, you know, Danny wasn't as bad as Jax. She actually said that. And she and Jason wanted to take a soft approach with Jax because they knew if, you know, they yelled at him and were too strong with him, he wouldn't have continued with the treatment that he needed. He Jax doesn't give a fuck about you, Janet. Don't give yourself that much credit. It doesn't matter what you said or did for Jax. He doesn't care about you or or Jason.

Lori (04:11.244)
Yeah.

Kelli (04:24.421)
Stop it. So it seems to me that she's backtracking a little bit on the whole Danny being a monster. And this is what I'd like to say. I'd like I'd still like to see well I I I'd like to see a season now that La La joined the cast without Janet and just Lala, because Lala seems to think that Kristen and Zach are defending Nia and Danny because of the fans' reactions.

Wendy (04:25.883)
No.

Lori (04:52.521)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (04:53.647)
It seems that Janet is now j I think that Janet is is doing this now.

Wendy (04:53.78)
That is one thing. That is

Wendy (04:59.732)
That is one thing that Lala continues to say that drives me crazy. That Kristen is living in the comment section, which is so not Kristen. We have known Kristen.

Kelli (05:03.823)
It drives me crazy too.

Kelli (05:10.939)
I think we all know Kristen Doty enough to know that that's not true.

Wendy (05:14.802)
And even Zach, Zach is not the kind of person to live in the comments. And the fact that that's what she's standing on annoys the F out of me. It really does.

Kelli (05:20.477)
Mm-mm.

Kelli (05:26.333)
So I wanna see Lala on this show and how she moves without Janet there. Because you know without Janet, Britney and Lala are gonna treat Danny and Nia way differently because they both sat there at that hut in Mexico and they were like, We don't care how if you drink. We don't care if you drank 'cause Janet wasn't there.

Wendy (05:33.684)
I do too.

Wendy (05:46.571)
Yep. Right. No, I agree with you. I agree with you. So we I mean, I it's needless to say, we were happy that this is a season finale 'cause last week I was so mad. Remember how mad I was last week that we had another episode? I was mad. I know I was so mad. And

Kelli (05:50.621)
All right, that's it.

Kelli (06:02.29)
You really were, and you don't really get mad.

And we do not need a three part reunion. I'm sorry. They're they're really stretching this way too much.

Lori (06:06.949)
I'm sorry, I missed that.

Wendy (06:12.648)
I know. But I'm very thankful for we have people that are actually watching us on YouTube that stopped watching the Valley, that they were as frustrated as I am and you are, but they watch us to get the you know, to get what's going on. And I thank them because th that's weird, we are doing God's work here. That's what we are doing, in case you're wondering. Thank you. Look at Lori. She's like, my goodness, there this is where we're at.

Kelli (06:21.426)
Yes, yes.

Kelli (06:27.57)
Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, we are. And we will continue to do so for you.

Lori (06:37.015)
My God.

Wendy (06:40.672)
Kelli (06:41.95)
You're down the rabbit hole, Laura. You're here. You're down the rabbit hole.

Lori (06:43.532)
Yeah. I I am.

Wendy (06:44.016)
Okay. Okay. So we start out at Kristen and Luke's house. They're decorating for Halloween. Brittany and Cruz are out trick-or-treating with Janet and Cameron. it's the day of Grit of d'Ay before Britney's big Halloween party. Then we see Lala meets up with Nia at the coffee shop. I I wrote down

Lori (07:06.048)
Again with the outfit. I thought you had on a Halloween outfit. I did. I was like

Kelli (07:11.102)
She is the walking poster child for Sheehan. Sheen, how do you pronounce it? How exactly. Exactly. You're you're supporting slave labor, by the way. Child slave labor, Lala.

Wendy (07:11.389)
I wrote down

Wendy (07:15.014)
She looks like a hooker. I wrote down she looks like a hooker. Shein. Shein. She literally looks like

Lori (07:15.606)
Wow.

I guess she I guess she

Wendy (07:26.142)
Peter at a coffee shop. Why is she dressed like she's going to a club? She looks like a hooker. And I like Lala. She's a beautiful girl. She does too much.

Lori (07:31.252)
I was like, my God, what I didn't know what was going on. I really thought I thought she had on a Halloween costume. I really did. I was like, look, she's ready already. I did, I swear to God, I did. I was like, look.

Kelli (07:44.712)
She was a hooker for Halloween.

Wendy (07:47.24)
Yeah. Meanwhile Neil looks like a normal mom. I mean, it's like my goodness.

Kelli (07:51.121)
Exactly. But Lala will say she's wearing a prairie dress because she dresses modestly.

Wendy (07:57.041)
Yeah, I mean it was yes.

Kelli (08:01.724)
And I don't mind, by the way, I don't mind commenting on Lala the way she looks, the way she dresses, because what she's saying about Danny being short and whatever, polypocket, whatever. Fuck you, Lala. I have no problem commenting on your physical appearance and I don't do that.

Wendy (08:21.322)
I mean I I think she's a beautiful I think she's beautiful. But I yeah. Yeah. I don't think she should be dressing like a hooker. Okay, we we agree about that. All right. So Lawless

Lori (08:24.485)
she is a beautiful girl. Absolutely.

Kelli (08:24.548)
She's gorgeous. But she dresses like a hooker. Right. Yes. And sometimes a hooker pirate.

Lori (08:31.266)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, very piratey. Even again today it was a little piratey. I was like, Okay.

Kelli (08:41.382)
Mm.

Wendy (08:41.44)
So Lala starts out with, you know, when you block me like that, when she physically blocked her when they were trying to talk in Mexico, she's like, It was number one shocking. I feel like I have to be careful when I'm around you. And Nia said, Well, I've heard that before. Like, why? She said, Maybe it's because of the way I grew up. And then Nia goes into, you know, my mom and dad, they were married and divorced twice.

There was infidelity in the relationship and my mom and I we grew up in shelters, but I'm confused because she's then says that they were bouncing around to different people's home, but she was in she was ultimately raised by her dad, which is why

Lori (09:20.834)
Well maybe her dad

Kelli (09:21.114)
I think she said she went there to her dad when she was like six or seven.

Lori (09:26.766)
So maybe her dad ultimately got custody. I think that was the deal.

Kelli (09:30.194)
Right. So up until she was six or seven, she and her mom bounced around between shelters and couch surfing.

Wendy (09:30.462)
Yeah. Right.

Lori (09:39.052)
Other people's homes.

Wendy (09:40.82)
Which is tough. I mim listen, that is a tough childhood. That's horrible.

Kelli (09:42.429)
Horrible.

Lori (09:42.539)
horrible. Horrible. Now I haven't watched this I only watched one other episode. I think last week I watched. so for me, I'm looking at everything from the outside. So that whole conversation with her to me explains a lot about her relationship with Danny. Because Danny

Wendy (10:09.029)
absolutely.

Lori (10:11.106)
Definitely should not drink. And anybody else with a small child in any other kind of relationship would have been like, dude, you need to fucking like stop. Like this we're done. I'm not doing this. You can't you can't. I can't have it. But I think it seems to me for her, she really wants a stable

Kelli (10:13.502)
Mm-hmm. Correct.

Lori (10:37.922)
home life and I don't think that she would do a lot to rock the boat because it doesn't seem to me like he's a dick. He's just somebody who shouldn't drink. So I feel like she doesn't wanna she doesn't wanna make a big deal out of it because she No. 'Cause he's a bad drinker. Yeah. But you know what I mean? Like she just has yeah, I just think that she has this thing about

Kelli (10:55.486)
She's not gonna divorce him because he's a bad drinker.

Because the next day he does show remorse.

Wendy (11:00.66)
Because

Wendy (11:06.73)
She absolutely does.

Lori (11:07.212)
really wanting a stable, happy home life. And I think she's seen a lot worse in behavior. So to her, it's not something to make a big deal out of. Maybe she thinks she's gonna like outgrow it. Maybe I I don't know. But it just seems to me like that that conversation for me made a lot of sense about their relationship.

Kelli (11:09.8)
Yes.

Wendy (11:10.068)
Home.

Kelli (11:15.582)
Mm.

Wendy (11:32.585)
Why she stays. Right. And also they met in the church. And you you don't know this, Lori, but Danny's family was very involved in the church. I believe his parents were like pastors in the church. Yeah. So for Nia, it is very faith based. And she has said this from season one when we met her. When they have problems, they go to counselors, they go to therapy.

Kelli (11:33.79)
Yes.

Kelli (11:44.05)
His dad's a pastor, yeah.

Wendy (12:01.808)
On the after show, because I did watch I didn't finish season eighteen's after show, but I did episode eighteen, but I did watch seventeen. they have been through many, you know, it's just therapists. It's like it's like dating. Like you have to find the one that works for you. So Nia has her own therapist and Danny has his own therapist, and they have a couple therapists, and it has taken them many therapists to find the right therapist for them. So it just means to me

That she's working on it and she knows that there's issues, but she's not willing to give up and throw in the towel. She takes her wedding vows seriously. And I think that is something that should be commended. I don't think that makes her a weak woman. I think that makes her a strong woman. And it upsets me that she's being painted as this weak woman that allows him to do these things. Because I don't think that that's the case. That's my opinion.

Lori (12:41.518)
Mm.

Kelli (12:56.722)
Right. No. Not at all.

Totally agree.

Wendy (13:03.358)
She also, yeah, she also says that she wrote a list and she prayed over it at the age of 13 of what she was looking for for a a husband. And that to her was Daniel. So when she when she sees people attacking him, meaning Lala, she gets into wifey mama bear mode. I'm sorry. I get that. I so get that. I get that.

And Lala gets it too. She says, Listen, this makes a l this is what I do like about Lala. She will admit when she's wrong. She will. She does admit when she's wrong. you don't s

Kelli (13:42.94)
Yeah, but then she turns around and did what she did at the end of the episode. So it's like you could say to Nia all you want. I understand, I see where you're coming from, blah blah blah. But you still you still did what you did. I know we'll get there, but it's like

Wendy (13:55.441)
Yeah. But you know what? In the after show she says she says that she was mad at Janet. She was so mad at Janet, 'cause Janet is the one that ultimately winds up throwing the drink, and she's like, Danny was digging his own grave. And then when Janet acted that way, like she she she lo she was wrong and she admits that she was wrong. And I like I said, Lala is an imperfect person. Lala has

had alcohol and abuse issues. She has been in recovery. I think she's seven years now sober. She takes her recovery very seriously. She's very rooted in the whole recovery process.

Lori (14:34.722)
But this is the thing though. It so if you are someone who is exactly what you're saying, Wendy, then I understand that she has to work with these people because they are on a television show. But screaming at a drunk that they're a drunk is not effective. Removing yourself and saying, Look, I really like you, but I can't

Wendy (14:42.314)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (15:01.206)
I don't like you when you're drinking and I can't be around you when you're drinking. So I'm gonna remove myself from the situation. She's she knows. I mean, that's Al Anonon like one on one. Like she knows that's what you're supposed to do. So then why are you not doing that? To do the compl right, that's where it kinda gets

Kelli (15:18.494)
'Cause she's getting paid to do the complete opposite. So listen, I obviously she's sober and she's on her own journey, but this show is not productive for her in her sobriety because you're absolutely right. She's going against everything AA and Alan on stand for.

Lori (15:37.068)
Yeah.

Kelli (15:39.826)
The i this whole show is based around them drinking and getting sloppy. So if you don't want to drink with Danny because you don't like the way he acts, get off the fucking show. Cause that's what this show is.

Wendy (15:54.015)
Listen, I don't disagree with that. I don't. I don't. but she does need the paycheck because she has two children to support, and because her ex is that's a whole other story. And she does have a lot of trauma from her ex, and I know that she's in therapy, but I still don't think she's past it. And I think she does project a lot of it onto Danny. I think she does. I think she does. And honestly, I think if if

Kelli (16:17.39)
Absolutely she does.

Wendy (16:23.612)
If you sat down with her or anybody sat down with her and did a one-on-one, it would be a different conversation because I do listen to her podcasts. I listen to her with her brother Easton and her mom. And I listen to her with her exes ex. And they are BFFs and they have been through hell and back. And I'm telling you, she is a different person when she's not on this show. And I get it.

Kelli (16:49.97)
Which is which means that she's performative and shouldn't be on a reality TV show. Because she's not authentic. She claims to be. She acts all tough, fucking fake Tupac, but she's not. She's so inauthentic. She's so performative. Like, get off the show. And when sh well, whatever, we'll get there. When she said in the after show that Danny served himself in a silver platter, how?

Wendy (17:04.746)
I li

Wendy (17:17.493)
Yeah.

Kelli (17:17.65)
By sitting there calmly and apologizing to you, Danny did everything right in that moment. Danny didn't do anything wrong.

Wendy (17:22.706)
I agree with you. I think Danny was yeah. I agree with you. I totally agree. I think Danny was perfect in that whole situation. I think Janice the one who lost it. Danny went in there to lay down. He knew he drank too much. And he's like, I'm just gonna remove myself from the situation. And then Jason came in there and started poking the bear and started sticking his nose where it didn't belong because it wasn't there and he doesn't know what happened. And even when Danny responded to him, he was very calm and saying, You don't know, you weren't there. This doesn't involve you.

Kelli (17:35.411)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (17:40.856)
Definitely poking the bear. Definitely poking the bear.

Kelli (17:40.946)
Yep. Yeah.

Kelli (17:52.456)
Yep. Nope.

Wendy (17:52.597)
He didn't freak out. He didn't. And I think that that's what bothers them. I think that bothers them that he is so calm about it. But I will I I'm still Team Danny and Nia. I am. And and you know, in our comments, a lot of people are still team Nia, but they are not Team Danny. And they kind of chastise us for giving Danny a pass. And it's not that I'm giving Danny a pass. I think that Danny is just like all of us, we are not perfect people.

Kelli (18:01.224)
Absolutely.

Kelli (18:05.587)
Me too.

Lori (18:22.862)
Excuse

Wendy (18:22.876)
I think that Danny tries and I think that Danny will get there in his own time. This is his journey. I'm just not going to ridicule him because his wife isn't, and she's the one who has to live with him. And

Kelli (18:33.916)
No, and listen, and I know I've said it before, but we are from New Jersey. Guys from New Jersey, New York, Boston. I'm even gonna give it to Pennsylvania because they're so close. Listen, they act a certain way, they talk a certain way. The stuff that Danny says sometimes, I just it doesn't even like when he said no shit to Lala and she fucking flew off the handle, I'm like, you're flying off the handle because he said no shit to you.

Lori (18:33.922)
Right.

Wendy (18:38.688)
We are.

Wendy (18:57.812)
Ha ha ha.

Lori (19:00.268)
What? No shit, please.

Kelli (19:03.73)
Like, I mean, that's just I say I mean, that's how my kids and I talk to each other for crying out loud. Like, get the hell outta here. So I do think it's a it's a that kind of thing too for us.

Lori (19:08.374)
Right. Most yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

Wendy (19:09.566)
Right. Right.

Wendy (19:18.568)
No, I agree because even when you see, honestly, when you see Jasmine and Zach in the after show, because Jasmine is from New Jersey. And Jasm Yeah, and she's like, like, this is like she's like, these are my like I mean, sh when I don't even know what they were talking about. But Jasmine's like, I'm from New Jersey. Like this doesn't this doesn't phase me. And then they show a up they show a clip of Teresa flipping a table. That is what Jersey is. If you know, if you

Kelli (19:26.194)
Yes.

Lori (19:27.028)
Yeah, I can tell she's from the Jersey. She's funny.

Kelli (19:29.245)
Yeah.

Kelli (19:43.963)
Exactly.

Lori (19:44.034)
Yes.

Kelli (19:46.92)
That's Sunday dinner.

Wendy (19:48.755)
Right. That is what happens in New Jersey. We the three of us, we are Jersey girls. We are Jersey girls. And we have a certain I don't know if it's tolerance or is it tolerance or it's just it's just what we're used to. So I'm gonna just throw this out there. One of my sons, we were having a conversation about like what kind of like girl would be a good girl for him. And I specifically said I really would like to him to find a good Italian girl. I want you to find someone who can make you meatballs. He's like

Kelli (19:53.49)
Yep. Yeah.

Kelli (19:58.697)
Tolerance. Yeah, it's tolerance. Well absolutely. Yeah.

Wendy (20:18.014)
Well, my dad makes me meatballs. I don't like his meatballs. I said, I know. I know how important meatballs are to you. I want you to find yourself a good Italian girl who can make you meatballs. I said this to him. I said, But she's gotta have a strong Italian dad. He goes, so if she doesn't have a dad, I she's not the girl for me. I said, No, I she if she has a strong Italian dad, she will know what to look for because her dad will make sure she finds someone who's right for her. I have three boys and I know I know that this this particular boy needs someone

Who will put him in his place? He's a good kid. He's got good values, but he's cocky A F. And he needs.

Kelli (20:54.226)
Yeah. Yeah. So he definitely needs someone to put him in his place.

Wendy (20:58.534)
He needs someone that can put him in his place. And I think personally, a good Italian Jersey girl, and I'm Italian. I know you don't think I'm Italian. No one thinks I'm Italian because I have red hair, but I'm Italian. He needs a good Jersey girl with a good Jersey Italian dad behind her to put him in his place. I know that sounds crazy. He's like, so I'm gonna go up to someone in a bar and say, okay, you don't have a dad, and my mom says I can't date you. I was like, that is not what I just said, but.

Lori (20:58.641)
yeah.

Kelli (21:05.32)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (21:17.554)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (21:27.004)
They're always trying to start trouble.

Wendy (21:29.148)
I know. That's just that's just I'm just just giving you a little j a a little flavor of Jersey. I think that like yeah.

Kelli (21:29.523)
Yes, he really is.

Kelli (21:34.546)
Yeah, that's what I mean. I just think we I don't know. Like I it doesn't it I we don't think Danny's the monster that Janet and Lala are trying to make him out to be. That's all. That's all. Should he drink? Absolutely not, he should not drink. Absolutely not.

Wendy (21:44.997)
No, we don't. We don't.

Lori (21:45.944)
But let me ask you this. So

Right, so besides getting tanked up and maybe a little handsy here and there, which you know what, I don't mind handsy. It's all right. It's okay.

Wendy (21:50.185)
No.

Kelli (21:57.983)
I mean listen, if one of my friends, if one of my friends, male friends, put his hand on my thigh and said, Go get daddy a drink, I would laugh hysterical and go get the fucking guy a drink. I'd get him his drink.

Lori (22:08.174)
Hysterical and then I go get him a drink. Yeah. Yeah. Who the slap? Yeah. Mama brought it for you. Fuck off. You know, that's just Yeah. Yeah. But I'm but I'm asking you guys, so other than then drinking stuff and food in his face, a little handsy, what else does he do?

Wendy (22:11.033)
Get him a drink. Yeah. And you say, here, Daddy. Like, we don't care. We don't care. We don't care.

Kelli (22:15.535)
Exactly go tiny.

Wendy (22:30.737)
my gosh.

Kelli (22:34.29)
He does get disrespectful to his wife. He speaks obnoxiously to his wife. He does. We saw it. We say we never saw Darkseid Danny, but I was thinking about it. We did see Darkseid Danny in the episode where they did the pageant, the way he was treating Nia and talking to Nia. He gets disrespectful to his wife, absolutely.

Wendy (22:55.518)
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (23:03.026)
But that's what we were saying before. So they take that and and they go to therapy and then he just shouldn't drink. I don't think he does it when he's not drinking.

Lori (23:10.53)
Right. Some people turn into some some people turn into somebody else when they drink. Some people don't just be like go to sleep. Some people do yeah.

Kelli (23:16.338)
Yes, yes.

Kelli (23:24.838)
And the worst thing you can do when someone's in that space is tell them to stop drinking. You drank too much. You're drunk. It's the worst thing you could say to them.

Lori (23:34.092)
Worst thing to do. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (23:37.887)
Yeah. So after the whole la la conversation, she's she's hopeful that they can have space to become friends. Okay. I'm I'm hopeful for that too. The next thing we see is Luke and Kristen are talking after Kaya goes to sleep and they they're talking about the therapist. Luke feels like the therapist didn't listen to him. He felt like he needed to defend himself about everything that was discussed. And

Lori (24:03.348)
Well, I think you do need to defend yourself.

Kelli (24:05.47)
I mean, that's that's therapy, baby. Luke's getting a lot of hate online.

Wendy (24:05.941)
Listen.

Wendy (24:10.098)
It's fun I know and I don't like it. I'll be honest with you. I don't like it. I don't like it. I even when I watched I watched Luke on the after show with Jesse and Danny. It's the three of them on the after show. Jesse and Danny are sitting there in their proper s they are LA guys. Jesse and Danny are LA guys. Luke is in his jeans and his shirt. Luke is a country boy. That is who Luke is. Let Luke be Luke.

Lori (24:12.258)
Yeah, well that was who

Kelli (24:14.13)
I don't like it either.

Kelli (24:34.824)
Baseball cap. Yep.

I think Luke's getting hate online because of how he's defending Danny.

Wendy (24:43.529)
definitely. That definitely doesn't help him.

Kelli (24:44.648)
They're not saying that. They're saying it's how he's treating Kristen, but I think that's what it is.

Wendy (24:49.632)
Kristen but every t Kristen doesn't have a problem with it. And Kristen has come out and said it many times. Like she understands it. She said this is where he should be telling me this in therapy. I like I can't get mad at him for saying this to me. I'm asking him to tell me what the problem is. Everyone wants her to be mad at him for him expressing his feelings because they don't like it. But she's okay with it because that's why they're in therapy. Like this is to me like

Kelli (24:53.678)
Absolutely.

Kelli (25:01.693)
Yes.

Lori (25:16.003)
Right.

Wendy (25:17.65)
the dumbest argument ever. It really is.

Kelli (25:20.232)
Totally agree.

Wendy (25:26.046)
The you know, they go about like the whole they go back and forth about like Kristen, pregnant Kristen, and Luke brings up again like he like he wants to have another child because he know that he knows that what's going on right now is a temporary thing. And he just wants to get past that phase. He doesn't wanna like get past that phase with Kaya and then start it over again. Like he wants to just like do this marathon and get it over with. And I will tell you this.

When I was trying to conceive in the very beginning, I remember the doctor telling me, once in diapers, stay in diapers. And that is what Luke is trying to do. Once in diapers, stay in diapers. Like if this is your person and you know you're gonna get through it, just power through it. And that's what he wants to do.

Kelli (26:11.41)
I think he feels like this is such a stressful phase in their life. So like he like you said, like let's just let's just b you know, bang it out. Yep. And then, you know, couple years down the line, like we're we're

Wendy (26:21.866)
Let's power through it. Yeah.

Lori (26:26.122)
No, I kinda I kinda took it a a little bit a little bit different. I was kinda like, hm I I don't think that

I don't think that he means it exactly how it sounds when he says it, but

Lori (26:48.93)
I don't know. I just didn't I just didn't feel real good about it and I and I couldn't see how she could feel good about it. I mean, someone saying that, you know, they don't want you to act how you act when you're pregnant. Well, how would you act if you were pre like, I I don't know. It just didn't it just didn't hit me right.

Wendy (26:51.208)
How you take it?

Wendy (27:08.778)
think he was saying that. I think he was saying that listen, I the way you I first of all, when he got engaged to her, she wasn't pregnant and he didn't know what to expect from pregnant Kristen, right? He had never he had no idea. And then once he got pregnant Kristen, he's like, okay, so this is what I've got. And now he's got postpartum Kristen, right? Which is a totally different Kristen. And he's like, okay, now I know what I have in front of me. Like

I'm here for the long I'm here for the long haul. Like, let's just get let's get through this and then we'll get to the other side and it'll be good. That's how I see it. I mean I think that that's how he sees it too. You don't think Kristen sees it that way? Cause when she's

Lori (27:56.653)
I don't know. I I think that she could I think that she was probably definitely hurt by it. I think that she was hurt by it.

Kelli (28:03.762)
I think Luke might very well be the most authentic person on a reality TV show. Says whatever he's feeling. And I think you're right, Lord. Like I think he just says things and doesn't think about it, which is what we want to see. But it's good and bad because we don't really know where, you know, we can all sit here and guess what we think he meant, but he said it. Right.

Wendy (28:07.779)
he's traveling sick.

Lori (28:08.138)
On reality T V. Yeah, he does seem very authentic. Yeah.

Lori (28:18.272)
Mm-hmm. It's good and bad, right. Right. It's good and bad. Yeah.

Lori (28:30.41)
Right. But only he knows what he meant. Right.

Wendy (28:33.588)
Yeah, I mean, even the other thing he says in the after show is, you know, he's never been in therapy until he moved to LA. Like his idea of like dealing with problems is he would go into the wilderness and go into the quiet and like just think about it and like just get through it. He is in a whole new world for him. This whole LA world and Kristen's world, and he loves her and he's there to do it. And he's like, Listen, I've never done this therapy thing, but guess what? It is helping. It is helping.

Lori (28:49.666)
You think about it, right? Right.

Wendy (29:03.316)
So I'm gonna keep doing it, but I never did this before.

Kelli (29:05.054)
And the fact that he doesn't want to stay in LA has to be like a whole other issue. Like he really doesn't want to raise his kids there.

Wendy (29:12.906)
But I think that Krista knows that. I think she's made it she knows that. She knows that they're not gonna raise their children there. And I think he's good for her. I do. I think that they will be okay. I do. I mean we'll have to wait and see what happens.

Kelli (29:15.206)
Yeah, yes, yes, yes.

Kelli (29:22.888)
Yeah.

Lori (29:26.05)
But I do like them as a couple.

Kelli (29:26.674)
Yeah. I do too. I do too. I mean listen, this is the healthy rel healthiest relationship we've ever seen Kristen in.

Wendy (29:28.319)
Yeah.

Wendy (29:35.304)
I totally agree. Yeah. the next thing we see is Michelle. She's at her West Hollywood house with Isabella. Her friend Natalie comes over. And Michelle I know they do like Natalie. They do. I don't think she's gonna happen. I don't think she's gonna happen. No.

Kelli (29:44.104)
We are really trying to make Natalie happen, aren't we?

My God She is not happening. Not after Jasmine checks her at that party.

Wendy (29:55.609)
No. Michelle said she feels like now that divorce is over, she can finally move forward. and I'm glad for her. I think that that's what she needs to do. She also lets her us know that

Lori (29:56.344)
Yeah.

Kelli (30:07.912)
She does, but it doesn't sound like Jesse's gonna make it very easy for her.

Wendy (30:11.793)
Now.

Lori (30:12.836)
Is he kind of a tool? Yeah, okay.

Kelli (30:14.524)
Yes, one hundred percent. I like him, but he's a big old tool, yeah.

Wendy (30:15.024)
I mean he yes, he is. Th but there's yeah, he is a tool and like you just said, there's very s there's something very endearing about him 'cause I do like him as well, but he is a tool, but I I wouldn't write him off 'cause I like him. I do like him. I do.

Kelli (30:24.381)
Yes.

Lori (30:26.56)
Okay. Okay.

Kelli (30:26.812)
Yes. Right. Right. Me too. Me too.

Wendy (30:32.96)
Michelle wants to own her own home and her goal for next year is fifty million dollars because even her parents, they always rented places, they never own their own place. And I'm like, Good for you, Michelle. She's out there hustling. She's out there selling houses. And I love that for her. I did think it was interesting that she said that Isabella keeps taking cash for her and she's like, Where is it going? She's like, I put it in my piggy bank at dad's house. Well, give her a piggy bank at your house so you make sure dad's not taking it. Like

Lori (31:00.008)
Right. Right. Yeah.

Kelli (31:00.316)
Yeah. Seriously. Jesse Jesse has some debt, man. Jesse has mad debt. Get that P E bank at your house. What are we doing?

Wendy (31:03.014)
Right? Why is it going to dance, Piggy Bank?

Wendy (31:09.374)
Yeah.

I know. the next thing we see is Lacey in her confessional. She's talking about well they go to they to Lacey and Jesse go Beverly Hills babies. Jessie makes uncomfortable jokes and in her confessional she said she's been dealing with stage four endometriosis for the last ten years. And she finally got pregnant after that. And she's I didn't even know that honestly I'll be I didn't know there were different stages of endometriosis. I had no idea.

Kelli (31:32.69)
Very painful. I feel bad for her.

Kelli (31:39.826)
Yeah, I mean there my friend had like surgery for it. It's very painful.

Wendy (31:43.241)
Yeah, I know I knew that the I knew that there was surgery, but she has yeah, she's been worried about this. And, you know, she wants to have other children. So she's worried about whether or not she can conceive again because I guess the last visit with this Dr. Arnold, he kind of made her think that he was gonna have to remove one of her Yeah, her ovaries, right. And they had talks about whether where they're gonna freeze.

Lori (31:46.317)
Yes, it is.

Lori (32:04.354)
Yeah, she had a bad cyst on it.

Kelli (32:05.03)
Ovaries. Ovaries, yeah.

Wendy (32:12.404)
her eggs or if they were gonna have them fertilized and freeze embryos with Jesse. And when they get to the doctor's appointment, she's like, you know what, I'm not ready to do that. Like I would rather just freeze my eggs, but let's see what's going on. So they do the exam and the doctor says that that one ovary is okay. It's doing better. And I don't think I'm gonna have to remove it.

And he showed her the other one was making eggs. So that's good news. I'm happy for her. I'm happy for her.

Kelli (32:42.074)
It is. I like like or like that I thought that that like a real genuine response where she was like, Well that's a win. Like I Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (32:48.078)
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

Wendy (32:48.692)
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah.

Lori (32:53.144)
Listen, anybody who would have a pelvic ultrasound and get taped and get taped while doing it kudos Okay. Yeah.

Kelli (33:00.306)
Yeah. On national television.

Yes. Kudos. Kudos.

Wendy (33:09.608)
Yeah. Yeah.

So it is the Halloween party night. Danny is Count Buc Bucula, which by the way, as much as I like Danny, Danny in character is the most annoying person on the planet.

Kelli (33:26.898)
Very annoying. I totally agree. Very annoying.

Wendy (33:29.768)
I I don't know how Nia deals with Danny in character, but once he's in character he cannot get out. He can't get out. That's what's annoying.

Kelli (33:36.531)
No, that's what's annoying, yeah. By the way, Yes. Yes. Yeah. Nia is at Kr so Nia and Danny are at Kristen and Luke's house, I guess pre-gaming before the party, and she's nursing the baby. Like you can't pump. You literally have to bring this baby everywhere with you.

Lori (33:38.35)
But the the house looked great though and that charcuterie board look awesome. She did a great job.

Wendy (33:43.743)
she did a great job. Yeah.

Wendy (34:01.578)
I think the baby doesn't take the bottle. The baby doesn't take the bottle. That was her whole issue. The baby wouldn't take the bottle.

Lori (34:01.806)
She does seem to nurse a lot.

Kelli (34:07.058)
Woo that's right, that's right, that's right. I forgot about that. That's a lot, man. That's a lot.

Wendy (34:11.018)
Think she's very capable of pumping. That's what her complaint was. That's why she was so overwhelmed and stressed, is cause the baby wouldn't take the bottle.

Lori (34:14.488)
Yeah, that's a lot.

Kelli (34:19.92)
Right. Right.

Lori (34:19.938)
Yeah, that's horrible.

Wendy (34:21.822)
Yeah, I mean I don't think that's her. I think she'd be very happy to give that child a bottle. The baby won't take it. That's a lot. That's a lot. So we also find out that at midnight it's also Michelle's thirty seventh birthday. And Lala says she's going to kiss her at midnight. Okay, Lala. Thank you.

Kelli (34:24.412)
No. That's a lot, man. Yeah, I forgot about that. Okay. Yeah. Woo.

Kelli (34:43.42)
What was Janet dressed as, by the way?

Wendy (34:46.142)
I have no I have no idea.

Kelli (34:48.2)
Like she never understands the assignment with the dressing.

Lori (34:50.924)
Yeah. And it was weird that that other chick was kinda dressed in the same kind of outfit.

Wendy (34:52.201)
I have no idea.

Kelli (34:56.466)
You know what? Listen, I I I know there's a lot going on online about this, but honestly, from the back, other than the hair, they were wearing identical outfits. They really were. So my husband would not remember it I'm gonna g I'm gonna really defend Jason here in a bun or a long braid. No. If he's gonna come up behind me, he's coming up behind me. He's not really paying attention to my hair, I can tell you that.

Lori (35:04.742)
yeah, it definitely looks the same. They were they were wearing identical outfits. Absolutely. Yeah.

Lori (35:12.8)
Right. If you had your hair in a bun or in a in a brain. Yeah. No. No. No.

Right. Right. He saw the shirt, that's what she's wearing, and that's yeah. So I could totally get it.

Kelli (35:25.756)
Yep. Yes. Yep.

Wendy (35:26.556)
I just think it's ironic. I just think it's very ironic. And I'm I'm just gonna say that. I think it's very ironic and I feel like everyone needs to run with it as far as they can. That's all I'm gonna say. I know they will. I know they will. I know they will.

Kelli (35:31.314)
I totally agree with you.

Kelli (35:38.79)
I think they will. I think they will. I don't think it was intentional. I do really think he thought it was Janet, though. I'm going to defend him on that.

Wendy (35:46.077)
I know, I do too. Absolutely he did. He absolutely did. It's not I don't think he was intoxicated at all. I think you're absolutely right. But again, let people run with it because why not?

Kelli (35:52.008)
Right.

But for sure, for sure, yes. The irony is is funny.

Lori (35:57.517)
Right. Right.

Wendy (36:01.458)
It really is. So Lala, Janet, and Michelle are talking about the group chat with Kristen, Nia, and Zach. And Lala is telling them that what Kristen told her and Britney at her photo shoot is that, and then while they're talking, Zach comes in, is that Nia, what did she say? Ne manipulates Zach.

Kelli (36:21.02)
Manipulates.

Wendy (36:26.558)
And

Janet said, I thought Zach and I were moving in a good direction. And Zach said, Well, we were, but then the Chili's issue came up. And Janet said, Well, Lala said Brittany said, you know, the whole thing. And he said, Yeah, but everything changed after Chili's. And you could see that. I'm listening not only was he so upset at at Chili's, but he literally shit himself. That's how upset he was. I mean, like, come on. Like, like give him a break.

Kelli (36:57.15)
Poor Zack

Wendy (36:58.88)
For Zach, right?

Wendy (37:03.166)
L this

Lori (37:03.32)
So you don't think he was using the shitting thing to get out of explaining? okay.

Wendy (37:08.24)
No. no. no. No, I don't think he was. I

Kelli (37:11.07)
I think if it were anybody else, I would question it. I think with Zach, I think he really did shit himself. I don't think he'd make that up.

Lori (37:16.846)
Right. No, I'm not saying I'm not saying that he I'm not saying that he made it up. I'm just saying did he bring that up to try and steer the conversation away from where it was heading. That's what I'm saying.

Wendy (37:17.258)
No, we definitely did.

Kelli (37:26.987)
probably. Probably.

Wendy (37:28.668)
No, because when even when Zach is talking to Nia about it, Zach is like, There's no way you're manipulating me. Like if anyone, I'm the one who's manipulating the situation. Zach knows who he is. Nia is not a master manipulator. Let's be real. That is not who Nia is.

Lori (37:33.39)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (37:38.22)
Mm right, right, right, right.

Kelli (37:44.614)
No, and I I could totally see and listen, we're all like this, like, you're with your bestie. Like we're all like that. Yes, yes.

Lori (37:50.58)
Right, right. Just egging yeah, just poking, poking, right. Yeah.

Wendy (37:51.048)
Right, right, right.

Wendy (37:56.895)
And that's what Kristen was referring to. She wasn't saying that Nia was manipulating Zach and saying you can't talk to them because Zach would never listen to Nia. Like

Lori (38:06.582)
Right. Right, 'cause he's gonna do what he wants to do anyway.

Kelli (38:09.096)
She did use the words guilt trip.

Wendy (38:12.744)
She did. She did.

Kelli (38:14.302)
I mean, she did. So I but I don't think n listen, I don't think Nea has the time.

Wendy (38:16.639)
She did.

Lori (38:19.48)
But she only used them but she only used them right, but she only used them because that was the words already used in the conversation that was going on.

Wendy (38:29.491)
Exactly.

Kelli (38:29.974)
like Britney said you guilt trip, Zach, and she said no, I don't. Maybe Nia does. Right, right, right, right. So so right. So when Kristen does say you said that and Britney's like, Kristen, she really did say that. Got it. Okay.

Wendy (38:32.948)
Yes.

Lori (38:35.006)
Right, right. So it wasn't like she came up with those words.

Wendy (38:35.55)
Right, exactly.

Wendy (38:42.568)
Right. Yes. Yes, that is w exactly what happened.

Lori (38:43.298)
She did say it, right. But and but she should have explained that maybe the verbiage was incorrect and she could have easily explained exactly what she meant, but then we wouldn't have a show.

Kelli (38:53.48)
Right.

Wendy (38:59.774)
Yeah. Yeah.

So when this whole thing, this whole argument's going on, Janice said, I thought we were moving forward, and Zach said, you know, like we're taking baby sticks. And he's like, Listen, you can have your three best friends here, and I like I can't even have Kristen over here. Like, so she's like, All right, go get Kristen. So and Jesse's standing there at this time, and Jesse says, Well, I'm here. And Janice's like, Ugh, God, and she walks away.

Kelli (39:34.27)
She gets right up and walks away.

Wendy (39:34.675)
So she walks away because Jessie was there. But meanwhile, Zach was going to get Kristen, but as soon as Jesse said because as soon as Jesse was there, Janet's like, I can't do I can't no. So she gets up and she walks away. Now at this point it's Jessie and Michelle sitting on the couches because Janet walked away.

Kelli (39:41.788)
Right. And they were gonna have a conversation.

Wendy (40:01.032)
And then Jesse goes on talking to Michelle. It's come to my attention for the last three months you've actually been secretly dating a comedian. And Michelle said, Well, it's my client. Jesse said, You asked me to watch Isabella for an extra weekend to go to Vegas for work, and I was sent videos of you guys in bathing suits. okay.

Kelli (40:22.846)
I didn't love this, I'll be honest with you. And I and I wish that these two would keep this. I wish Jesse, because he's the one that initiated this, would keep their custody and I I wish he would keep it off the show. I think they have enough going on where they don't need this for their storyline. Like

Lori (40:45.698)
Right, to drag the daughter into it. 'Cause that's what you're doing. Right.

Kelli (40:47.578)
Yeah, exactly. It's just not good. Because honestly, if she only if the daughter only met the guy at a showing, it's really not a big deal. It's not a big deal.

Wendy (40:57.394)
nothing. It's nothing. It's nothing. Absolutely. It is. I totally agree with you. Because just last week we were saying how much we love that scene with Jesse and Michelle. And then the following week we get this when he's talking about the box and all the memories and how much he loves, you know, though there was sh Isabella was made out of love. And then the next week we get this. I'm like, I I completely agree with you on this. I do.

Lori (41:00.643)
Right.

Kelli (41:06.534)
yeah.

Kelli (41:21.532)
Yeah. I just I don't wanna see it 'cause it it's very uncomfortable, especially when the daughter's involved. And she's gonna see this one day.

Lori (41:27.362)
Yeah. And she's right, he does Yeah, he does seem like a little bit like you know controlling. Like you're you're proven you're proven it right by that kind of behavior because guess what? If you're divorced, your ex wife is gonna date people. So I don't know what you think is gonna go on, but

Kelli (41:36.818)
Yes.

Kelli (41:41.402)
Absolutely.

Wendy (41:42.047)
Yeah.

Wendy (41:51.006)
Well, the whole thing is he's bringing up the child.

Kelli (41:52.478)
Do you know who she's dating now?

Lori (41:55.32)
Doctor Dre, right?

Wendy (41:57.087)
Yeah. The whole thing is when he brings up the child. Like that's what the whole that's where the whole problem lies. Like if she was dating, that's fine. But why do you have to bring up Isabella? Like you didn't need to do that. You didn't need to do that.

Kelli (42:00.351)
Yeah.

Kelli (42:06.3)
Right. 'Cause that's that's the way he can control her dating somebody or not, by saying he doesn't want Isabella to be introduced. But and we know damn well if he and Lacey break up and he starts dating somebody, he's introducing Isabella right away.

Wendy (42:15.71)
So right.

Lori (42:21.89)
Right. So it's just it you know, it it doesn't it really it doesn't make any sense because yes, you can you know, I understand the sentiment behind it that you don't want your daughter to be introduced to all these people and then the people move on and they're not and they're a lot but there's really nothing that you can do about it.

Kelli (42:24.498)
Yep. Hypocritical. No.

Wendy (42:24.85)
It's hypocritical. Yeah.

Wendy (42:47.552)
So then Michelle leaves and then Jasmine walks in and Jesse's like, D you know, what the fuck just happened? And he tells Jasmine that she's been dating this famous comedian for three months. And Jasmine said, She doesn't even laugh. How she's dating a comedian? Which I thought, by the way, was a great comeback. I was like, Jasmine

Kelli (43:01.478)
It was so funny, dude. That was so funny. That was so good, Jasmine. So good, Jasmine.

Wendy (43:07.54)
so then Jesse goes in, like the problem is about, you know, she introduced him and the whole thing with Aaron and I'm effing piss. So Jasmine immediately goes up to Michelle who happens to be with Janet and said, What's going on? And at this definitely. Definitely. Definitely she had quite a few.

Lori (43:26.774)
I think Jasmine had quite a few at this point. I'm thinking she was a little a little tanked up.

Kelli (43:30.738)
Yeah, yeah, yes.

Wendy (43:35.661)
And Michelle's friend Natalie was there. And then Jasmine is going at it with Natalie. And Michelle is explaining to Jasmine like about the listing. And it just was getting messy, to be quite honest with you. I was like, this did not need to happen. Now, meanwhile, while all this is going on, Nia's in the kitchen with Danny and asking him if he's drunk, and he said, No, I'm not drunk, but he was. He a hundred percent was drunk. Yeah.

Lori (43:51.822)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (44:02.83)
It was definitely must.

Kelli (44:05.672)
He definitely was drunk.

Wendy (44:05.876)
yeah. And Janet is jumping in on the whole conversation with Jasmine and saying you're only hearing Jesse's side. And she's like, he's crying to me. But again, Janet didn't need to be jumping in on this, just like I mean, Jasmine didn't Natalie, but neither should have Jasmine, to be honest with you. Especially not in her condition. Right.

Lori (44:22.67)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (44:23.836)
Natalie shouldn't have jumped in.

Lori (44:27.785)
No, no, no.

Kelli (44:28.902)
No, I it was ridiculous. But listen, Jasmine's gonna take any opportunity she can to get some camera time at these parties.

Wendy (44:37.62)
Right. No, she absolutely is, because that's actually when we see her activated the most. Because Jasmine is telling Natalie that she needs to calm down. I'm like, okay, well. And then

Kelli (44:46.76)
Ha ha ha ha ha.

Lori (44:48.462)
And then and then the the B words.

Kelli (44:51.006)
She did that the last time in Britney's kitchen. She was telling somebody, I think it was Michelle. I think it was Michelle. She was telling her to calm down. And Michelle was like, I'm pretty sure you're the one who needs to calm down.

Wendy (45:01.938)
Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Lori (45:06.956)
Yeah, and then the bitch came out, you know, called me. That's funny.

Kelli (45:09.278)
Bitch, yeah. But listen, it wasn't that wasn't that was like in the city Avon to Danielle to Avon. Like are you talking about me bitch? Like it was one of those. It wasn't like you fucking bitch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wendy (45:11.069)
Yeah. And then

Lori (45:20.694)
Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right. Well, again, people who are not from New Jersey don't know that there's categories of the word bitch. You know? I could call you and be like, What's up, bitch? Right, right, right. There it there's there's different levels to the to the to the bitch. Like you're my bitch. Like there's all different

Wendy (45:21.106)
Right, right. It was one of those. Right, exactly, exactly. So

Kelli (45:30.824)
Correct. That's right. We put this in a non offensive category of bitch, this bitch.

Wendy (45:31.178)
Right.

Wendy (45:35.21)
Bitches can be endearing.

Wendy (45:40.094)
Yes.

Kelli (45:44.252)
Absolutely. Absolutely. That's right. Right.

Wendy (45:51.457)
So while all this is going on outside, Nia is in the kitchen talking to Zach, and she said I had a conversation with Lala the other day, and she said that Kristen said you were very flip floppy with the whole Janet thing. But she said I'm the one manipulating you. And Zach is like, Okay, like there's no way you're min if anyone's doing the manipulating, it's me manip and we all know that. Like anybody who knows or has seen Zach and Nia, Nia's not a manipulator.

Kelli (46:14.46)
Yeah.

Wendy (46:19.654)
And then Kristen walks into the kitchen when Zach and Nea are talking and she's like, What's going on? And she's like, Well, Lala said that I'm the manipulator and then Brittany walks in and then the whole thing starts to explode again. I'm like, my gosh, like this is craziness. This is the worst party ever.

Kelli (46:38.504)
So Brittany says nobody said manipulate. But nobody said manipulate in the in the conversation at the photo shoot, but Lala did say manipulate, right? When she repeated listen, it's always semantics. It's always semantics on these shows. But Lala did use the word manipulate, right? Like Nia and Zach didn't make up the word manipulate. Lala did actually use it. Right?

Wendy (46:48.33)
Right.

Wendy (46:53.768)
Yes.

Lori (46:54.008)
So she changed the verbiage. Right.

Wendy (46:56.618)
Right.

Lori (47:07.522)
Yes, I believe that's true. I believe that's true. Yeah.

Wendy (47:07.634)
No, I agree. Yes, I think that that that's what happened. And Kristen is saying she doesn't make Zach feel bad. Like Nia doesn't make Zack feel bad because that's what Britney was saying. And Britney s then she starts yelling, you literally said that Nia is the one that manipulates. Then she said it. Zach and Kristen said, No, no. And then Zach said, Brittany, I believe her. And that's when she really got pissed. And she's like, I have known him for over 18 years.

Kelli (47:09.425)
Okay. Okay.

Wendy (47:37.374)
And she has. I mean, he was from Kentucky. He moved from Kentucky to be 'cause Brittany was here. Like he does know her for a long time. Yeah. And Brittany is pissed off that he does not have her back. And I don't know. I mean, this reunion doesn't look like it's gonna be good.

Kelli (47:43.826)
I think they met at college, yeah. They met in college.

Kelli (47:55.283)
Listen, I don't think that Kristen I don't think Kristen should have like the way Kristen was acting was like sh her hands were totally clean. Her hands were not clean. She did say, I don't guilt trip Zach, Nia does. Listen, you it could mean a a lot of different things, but she said it.

Lori (48:05.686)
You're not. No.

Wendy (48:06.943)
No.

Lori (48:12.066)
But like I said, she could Right. But she could have explained that she should have explained that the my verbiage wasn't necessarily, you know, on par. I was just parroting what you said and she could have explained but it that's always on these shows. That all anybody needs to do is explain themselves, but then we wouldn't have a show. So

Kelli (48:18.376)
That's what she should have done.

Kelli (48:39.3)
Exactly. Exactly.

Wendy (48:43.434)
So when Lala's in her confessional and she said, Let's just say I did hear Kristen say it and if she's gonna lie about it, it's only because Nia is right there in front of her. And so I was right about who the ringleader is. Lala thinks that Nia is the ringleader. I mean come on, Lala.

Kelli (49:00.754)
Lawa's just mad that she's not the ringleader.

Lori (49:03.596)
Yeah, I think that that's it. Yeah.

Kelli (49:08.786)
How about Schwarty asking the bartender if he could Vemo him?

Wendy (49:09.002)
So back outside.

Lori (49:12.302)
That was that's something dumb like I would say.

Wendy (49:13.34)
my god, Schwartzie is such a Schwartzy. He makes me laugh. He really is. Like

Kelli (49:17.662)
That is so funny.

So funny.

Wendy (49:27.456)
So back outside, Jesse's trying to get Danny to drink some water because he really is drunk. and he does. He goes to the bar, they get some water. Danny's shoveling food in his mouth and he goes to lay down.

Kelli (49:39.048)
Drunk but not acting like a douchebag.

Wendy (49:42.032)
No, no. No, just drunk. Right. And then he goes to lay down on the couch and then Jason comes right. Jason comes in with his crutches to sit down and rest, and Danny said

Lori (49:42.402)
No, just drunk. Just drunk and shovelin' the food in.

Lori (49:48.696)
Which is what it should do.

Kelli (49:54.739)
And says it's the only place he can go. She's got a whole house inside. There's a whole living room set up. Yep.

Wendy (49:58.603)
Bullshit.

Lori (50:01.378)
Right. You could have went and put your foot up inside, yeah. No. He c came to poke the bear.

Kelli (50:06.3)
Yep. Yep.

Wendy (50:06.848)
a hundred percent.

Kelli (50:10.096)
And Janet says to La La, Will you come with me? Because Jason's in there alone, but Danny, what are you afraid of? Well, let's p listen, Jason, with all do, Danny would kick your ass. Cleaned his clock. Clean his clock. But really Janet, you think your husband is that much of a P-U-S-S-Y?

Lori (50:24.366)
clean is clock.

Clean his clock, yeah, definitely. yeah, yeah.

Wendy (50:28.916)
You really think so?

I mean he's got a bum leg. He's got a bum leg.

Lori (50:35.156)
Even without the even even with a working leg, I can I can look at that and say, No, Danny would clean his clock. Absolutely. Yeah.

Kelli (50:37.338)
even without the bum leg, no.

Kelli (50:42.3)
Yeah. But you think your husband's that much of a and I don't I won't say the word, P U S S Y, that you have to go in there? No, you wanted to go in there and you needed fake Tupac to go with you. I'm surprised Lala didn't pull out her do rag and put it on before she walked into the little makeshift room. So she could really be thug in the moment.

Lori (50:50.56)
Right, right. Yeah, absolutely.

Lori (51:08.304)
why does she try and beat that?

Kelli (51:10.106)
my God. my God.

Lori (51:11.67)
Ha ha that's laughable. I I mean I only watched two episodes and I think that's laughable.

Wendy (51:13.29)
Ha ha.

Kelli (51:17.382)
And by the way, she's from an affluent neighborhood right outside of Salt Lake City, Utah. There is nothing thug about La La. And she was effing that fat guy because he owned a private jet who screwed her over, who she had her daughter Ocean with.

Lori (51:24.534)
no.

Kelli (51:40.03)
'Cause nobody looked at that guy Randall and was like, I gotta get on that immediately. So there's nothing thug about la la. No neck, yes. No neck fatso, yep.

Lori (51:46.818)
This the no neck eye? Is that the no neck eye? Okay, okay, okay. All right, yeah. I know I know small bits of information.

Wendy (51:49.534)
Yes, the no neck guy. Yes, yes, no neck, yes.

Kelli (51:56.082)
Yes, you do. Social media can be a beautiful thing.

Wendy (51:56.201)
Yeah.

Lori (51:58.465)
Inconsequential. Yeah, inconsequential small bits of information, but I have.

Wendy (52:05.6)
So, I mean, we can go into this whole thing, but really basically what happens is Danny and Jason are kind of going out it at it. Janet comes in with Lala. d Lala says finally she's like, Well, I heard that you wanted to apologize to me, and Danny says, For what? And then he does apologize for saying, you know, go back to your husband. Right, right.

Lori (52:30.754)
Go find your husband. Yeah.

Kelli (52:31.07)
Look at your husband.

Wendy (52:35.732)
Then

Danny says to Jason, you've never blacked out. And Janet yells, Yeah, he's blacked out, but he's never grabbed a woman's ass. That's the difference. And Danny said, He he doesn't know. And Dan said, Like, you g you guys are both idiots. And Janet said, Well, you were a five foot seven and Jason's like, Don't do that. And then she gets up and she throws the drink in Danny's face and the cup. I mean, it's a solo cup. I mean, it's a plastic solo cup. Like

Kelli (53:02.876)
Rose the cup at his head.

Wendy (53:06.888)
Let's call it what it is, right?

Lori (53:07.02)
Right. Right. And it wasn't even false.

Kelli (53:09.65)
Here's my question though. Danielle Cabral got suspended from filming for doing the same thing to Jennifer Aiden. So where were the conse did Janet face any consequences for this? Is my question. Doesn't seem so. Right. But it doesn't seem like she faced any consequences, right? And if Andy doesn't if Andy doesn't shame her for doing that at the reunion, it's complete bullshit. Because why? Because he's a man? He deserves that behavior.

Wendy (53:22.216)
It was a season finale. It was a season finale.

Lori (53:25.207)
Right. So where you go?

Kelli (53:38.77)
Because he's a man?

Lori (53:40.48)
Right. Right. If it's, you know, not goo good for the goose, it shouldn't be good for the gander, you know, kind of thing.

Kelli (53:46.234)
Exactly. Exactly. And Jennifer Aiden had a comin' to her.

Wendy (53:48.904)
No, I totally agree.

Lori (53:51.488)
Yeah, she did. But I it would kinda seem like even then Lala was like mm

Wendy (53:58.475)
Well Lala was pissed at Janet. She was pissed at Janet and she said it on she said it then. She said you shouldn't have done that. She you shouldn't have done that. And she said it on the after show. I mean

Lori (54:00.055)
Yeah.

Kelli (54:09.414)
And by the way, Janet's only regret was that she didn't wasn't drinking red wine.

Lori (54:14.754)
Yeah.

Kelli (54:16.06)
She has no she she has no remorse. This is the thing. Danny might act like an asshole when he drinks, but he at least shows remorse the next day. He apologized to Lala. He didn't have to do that. That that girl rage baits him every time she's around him. And the drunker he is, the more she goes in. Yep. Yep.

Lori (54:27.658)
No, because she should have

Wendy (54:27.956)
No, he didn't.

Lori (54:34.678)
Right, like a badger.

Wendy (54:37.108)
Yeah, she is. She really is. She is. I mean, Janet calls him a tiny fool. Danny gets up and walks out. He goes over to Zack and Nia and said, They just threw drinks in my face. And Zach and Nia said, Who? And Danny said, Janet. Nia goes up to Kristen and said, You know, Daniel's covered in alcohol now because Janet just threw a drink at him. Now you know Kristen is like gonna go ballistic. And she's like, He did not and she repeats it again and and Kristen goes over to Janet and said, You should go. I was like, and then

Kelli (54:58.046)
Ooh.

Wendy (55:06.718)
Janice's like, well you go get Britney. You go get Britney and and have her tell me I should leave. And Lala's like, It's it's not okay what she did.

Kelli (55:15.698)
Here's my hypothesis. Jax was totally trying to get Danny and you know, put do what he was doing to Danny. Brittany was 100% complicit. Janet knows how complicit Britney was in this because Janet was in on it. Britney will not, will never go against Janet because of this. So that's probably why Janet said, Well, go get Britney and let's see what she says. She's not gonna go against Janet.

Wendy (55:33.439)
Right.

Kelli (55:45.32)
'Cause Janet knows where all the bodies are buried.

Wendy (55:48.373)
Yeah. Well she didn't. I mean Kristen didn't. So Nia's like, listen, we need to leave. Like, you know, my heart's bout you know, beating through my chest. I don't like I don't wanna be around these like terrible humans. And Danny's like, Me too. So Dia Ne and Nia's like, How can you sit here and be so calm? Because he was. Based on what had just happened, he was very calm. He wasn't crazy. He was like

Kelli (56:09.598)
That's why fake Tupac's comment about serving himself up on a silver platter made no sense. He did everything right in the moment, you jackass.

Wendy (56:12.362)
Yeah.

Wendy (56:19.102)
He did. He did. So Danny's like, listen, I know what I'm dealing with. It's like dumb and dumber. And meanwhile, outside, Schwartz is announcing it's one minute till Michelle's birthday. And Brittany goes and gets her the cake. And Danny and me are leaving because they don't feel welcome here. I'm like, this is so disjointed, this whole thing. They're singing happy birthday. Lala kisses Michelle.

Lori (56:47.778)
Right. W meanwhile the other two are leaving.

Wendy (56:50.342)
Right. You know, Jason says to Janet, It's so strange. Like, why are they obsessed with you?

Kelli (56:53.255)
And then

Why are they so obsessed with you? It's like Jason, blink twice if you need help. Like, are you that manipulated? Are you that hypnotized by whatever Skeletor Janet has going on that you don't like obsessed with her? She's all over Danny's shit all the time.

Wendy (57:17.502)
I know. That's exact I know that's exactly what I wrote. I actually think it's the other way around. She's obsessed with Danny. And even in Z even in Zach's confessional just before that, he's like, I don't know where to go. I just think Janet has to get over herself. She's such a disingenuous person. Like, let's put it this way if Janet was not here, this would be an entirely different dynamic. And I totally agree with him. If Janet was not on,

Kelli (57:41.96)
Totally agree. Even Lala said to Janet at some point, I think you just need to let this go.

Wendy (57:47.25)
Yes, she did. She did.

Lori (57:49.263)
So so this is the deal, if I have this correctly. Danny grabbed one of Janet's friends' asses when they were drunk.

Wendy (57:57.909)
Jasmine's Jasmine's I it was Jasmine's It was Jasmine's.

Kelli (57:59.143)
Either Jasmine or Melissa's, it was one of them. Off season, it was not on camera. And he had a pot he had a conversation with them. This goes back to last season. It was before last season. He had a conversation with them and apologized and did not think it was gonna be brought up on the show, and then it was brought up on the show. And it has

Lori (58:01.591)
Okay.

Lori (58:05.985)
Okay.

Lori (58:20.152)
So Janet has Janet has a problem that he did that to somebody else. So it's not to her.

Wendy (58:26.59)
Right. Exactly. Right.

Kelli (58:27.834)
Right. And Janet calls t to said last season that he sexually assaulted someone. Those were the words she used. And she has never apologized for using those words. And that is Danny and Nia's problem. Like apology that is damaging. That is career ending.

Lori (58:38.69)
That's not

Wendy (58:41.919)
Right.

Lori (58:46.376)
Yeah, that's not yeah. Yeah, that's horrible. That's horrible.

Kelli (58:53.394)
Horrible. Yes.

Wendy (58:56.818)
It is. It

Lori (58:58.584)
So that's her whole that's her whole problem. It's not like she was really good friends with Nia and it's upsetting her that Danny gets tuned up and then maybe talks to her N so then what is she doing?

Kelli (59:01.459)
Yes.

Kelli (59:09.904)
no. No.

Wendy (59:10.068)
No. Nope. Nope. No.

Kelli (59:13.438)
She doesn't give a shit about that. Now I want our listeners to please, please weigh in here and tell us if you think Danny did anything wrong this evening to have it ended the way it did, to warrant getting a wine and a solo cup thrown at his head. Did Danny do anything to warrant that? Because I don't think he did. He pointed at Janet. He wasn't, listen, I'm not.

Wendy (59:36.148)
Justice Justice evening. Just yeah, that's it.

Lori (59:37.409)
I don't think so.

Kelli (59:41.703)
I it doesn't offend me when somebody points at me and that's because I have a poor habit of pointing. Like when I talk, I point. So it's not a big deal to me. But he was across the makeshift room from her. It wasn't in her face. That's the worst thing he did. Get the fuck out of here. What are we doing?

Lori (59:43.852)
No, come on, this is the land of hand gestures.

Wendy (59:47.008)
We're from Jersey.

Lori (59:50.018)
Me too. Yeah.

The room. He wasn't even in her face.

Yeah.

Yes, stop it, stop it. Exactly.

Kelli (01:00:04.722)
Can't take it. And the fact that we have to sit through a three part reunion is driving me nuts.

Lori (01:00:13.358)
So no one knows what her problem is.

Kelli (01:00:16.712)
Her problem is that Jax wanted Danny and Nia off the show and Janet was one hundred percent complicit and it wasn't working. And the producer of this show is Alex Baskin and he is Jax's coke buddy. So he is gonna do whatever he has to do to to continue this this pursuit of getting these people off the show and it's nonsense. It's nonsense. Yes.

Wendy (01:00:17.096)
No, actually we don't.

Lori (01:00:42.171)
Tangled web Tangled Web? Okay.

Wendy (01:00:46.912)
Okay, so we're at an hour. So thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and let us know if you think Danny did anything wrong this episode. Not all season, just a specific episode. Let us know what you think Danny did wrong. Okay?

Lori (01:00:49.381)
god, yeah.

Kelli (01:00:49.414)
Yeah. Sorry guys.

Lori (01:01:02.508)
Right. Right. Besides getting tanked and shoving food in his yap, other than that. Yeah, but he didn't do anything to anybody. And you know what? In the end, it's his wife's problem what he does.

Kelli (01:01:07.528)
Yeah, but it but it yeah.

Wendy (01:01:07.562)
Yeah, but that's well yeah.

Kelli (01:01:13.818)
Exactly. Exactly.

Lori (01:01:16.834)
His wife's problem.

Kelli (01:01:18.204)
No marriage is perfect. If this is if this is what she deals with and they go to therapy and they work it out.

Lori (01:01:26.22)
Right. That this is this is her this is her gig. Yeah, that that's weird. That I thought there was gonna be some whole like backstory to Janet's malfunction, and I'm like okay.

Wendy (01:01:27.088)
Right.

Kelli (01:01:28.966)
Right. Right.

Kelli (01:01:39.324)
Well she came up with a backstory this season. We'll fill you in off camera 'cause the listeners already know about it.

Lori (01:01:44.78)
Okay. Okay. Okay. Well it better be really good because so far on nothing's making sense to me. No, no. All right.

Wendy (01:01:45.279)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:01:51.784)
You're not buying it and she shouldn't be selling it. I gotcha.

Wendy (01:01:55.517)
Amen to that. Okay, until next time. Thank you for watching and listening. Bye.

Kelli (01:01:58.622)
Bye. sorry.

Lori (01:02:03.341)
I was like I'm out. Bye. Good night.

Kelli (01:02:04.296)
Bye.