RHORI S1 E11: Video Bombshell Rocks Rulla's Party 💣

Wendy (00:01.027)
Hi. Welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.521)
I'm Kelly.

Lori (00:05.655)
And I'm Lori.

Wendy (00:07.575)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Rhode Island Season one Episode eleven Stay Clam and Carry On Not good.

Lori (00:18.616)
I didn't even notice the clam part in the beginning. I thought it was Stay Calm. I was like, Okay. I even wrote down Stay Calm and Carry On. And then later on as the episode went on I crossed Stay Calm and Carry On and I wrote lame ass apologies for the

Wendy (00:23.425)
Yeah.

Kelli (00:34.229)
That's your title. So maybe maybe that's will title our our podcast Yeah

Wendy (00:34.412)
Lori (00:36.536)
That's my title.

And maybe maybe that yeah, I don't know. But I just thought that should be the title of the episode.

Wendy (00:40.363)
Yeah, that sounds good.

Kelli (00:45.215)
That's funny.

Wendy (00:45.933)
So before we get into the episode, I just would like to take this moment to ask everyone to go over to YouTube and please subscribe if you haven't already, 'cause that really helps us. And to follow us on YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, and Facebook and give us five star reviews and comment and share it with your friends. Thank you.

Kelli (01:04.693)
Thank you.

Wendy (01:07.602)
We pick up with Joelyn calling up Alicia on the phone after she had her sit down with Liz. Joelyn in her confessional says, I don't know why this bothers me so much. I just need to suck it up. That's what I did in my childhood. And you know, that's all I know.

Interesting thing about that is I think it really does bother Joe Allen. What do you guys think?

Kelli (01:37.958)
I think it definitely bothers her. I think they started the show like close, you know, and then, you know, I do feel like people throw the word best friend around, but too much, but I think on the show, Jo Anlin really did consider Liz her best friend on the show. So for her to say that, it's not so outlandish. Yeah, but Liz.

Lori (01:38.348)
think it definitely bothers yeah, I think it definitely bothers her. I think it bothers her.

Lori (01:59.341)
Right, of all the people on the show. Right, right, right, right.

Wendy (02:02.828)
Did either of you watch

Kelli (02:05.049)
She's very harsh. I mean, we saw it with Kelsey too. She's very harsh with the, don't, I'm not your best friend, I've never been your best friend. Like, harsh.

Wendy (02:09.292)
She's harsh.

Lori (02:14.316)
get the vibe, I get the vibe from Liz that the second she feels like she's not the top dog, head bitch in charge, it's a problem. That's how that's how I kinda that's the vibe that I get from her. Like I first kinda saw it when you know you first kinda saw it with the first thing with Kelsey at the party.

Kelli (02:27.977)
Yep, and she's gonna lash out.

Lori (02:43.476)
And then when they were at the castle and the girls were flirting with the younger guys, she was a little sulky and then people were saying that she really wanted to be invited on that walk where they filmed with Jo Ellen and Alicia and she didn't get that. And then I feel like all of a sudden people were really starting to pay attention to Alicia and I think it pissed her off.

Kelli (03:05.587)
Yeah, I think so too.

Wendy (03:07.1)
that's an that's that's an interesting take. Because on Watch What Happens Live, Andy did play one of the, you know, Do You Regret It's? And one of the questions he asked Liz is, Do you regret not saying that Joelin is your best friend? And there's very few things that she regretted. She did not regret that. She did not regret that. So she's like standing firm that I thought that was honestly, I thought it was harsh. But I think there may be more we see.

Lori (03:29.42)
I just think it's a

Yeah, it's a classic Yeah, a classic case of Jo Allen thought that they had a different kind of relationship than what Liz w you know

Kelli (03:33.098)
Yeah.

Wendy (03:42.208)
Yes.

Kelli (03:45.203)
And I think that Liz is the type of person that if you corner her, if you corner her, she's like a rat. She's gonna like lash out and say whatever she's gotta say.

Lori (03:51.405)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think to Joelan it's very important that she be liked, that she be accepted, that she feels that she has somebody in her corner. All the stuff that stems from her childhood, I think i it it mirrors on then into her relationships with other, especially females, even in her adult you know, rolls over into her adult raci relationships.

Wendy (03:52.907)
Wendy (04:21.354)
No, I agree. Alicia in her confessional says, you know, I love Liz, but she should have never talked about me and my family. Like, you know, I know where this flip flopping thing comes from. Like, I don't know that that's flip flopping. You could still love her and not be happy with what she said. Like, that's not flip flopping, right?

Lori (04:37.038)
Absolutely. Well listen, when Elisa says in her confessional that Liz is fucking mean.

Kelli (04:37.171)
Yes. Right.

Wendy (04:45.506)
Mm.

Kelli (04:46.421)
She ain't lying.

Lori (04:47.618)
She ain't lying.

Wendy (04:48.022)
Yeah. She's not lying. She's absolutely not lying. So then we see Rulu goes to Ro Rhode Island foot care and she brings Brian some goodies because we find out she like stubbed her toe or whatever and needed a toenail removed. And it was just for her to have a scene so they could talk about the Arabian Knights Party. Right?

Kelli (05:07.989)
Totally. Everything is so staged between the two of them. It's actually sad. It's sad that that's our marriage.

Lori (05:08.192)
Mm. Totally.

Uh-huh. Yeah.

Wendy (05:14.667)
He's so stiff.

Lori (05:17.216)
And it was so cringy when Brian was like, you know, they're talking about not inviting Joel and Brian's like, Well, you know, I'll have police detail and security for the par I'm like, stop Stop it. Yeah, you're such a tool. Yeah, yeah, but he's yeah, he's such a tool. I'm like, ew. Like no and no and no and no.

Kelli (05:29.937)
Exactly. Didn't he call her ho, Ellen? no, not yet. Maybe at the party. Didn't he call her ho, Ellen?

Yeah, yeah.

I wouldn't be upset if he doesn't come back next season.

Lori (05:48.31)
No. Mean the like.

Wendy (05:51.553)
Well, I don't know. There is there is people that really think that, you know, she's very much afraid of him. And I I don't disagree with them because I don't I d I don't get this dynamic. So I

Kelli (06:00.469)
I don't disagree at all.

Lori (06:04.435)
No. Either that or she has an open marriage and just won't and and doesn't and won't say it.

Wendy (06:08.567)
there's no way. There's no way. There's no way.

Kelli (06:11.721)
People look at Meredith Marks, look at Meredith Marks. She has an open marriage and she will not admit it.

Wendy (06:15.062)
Does Rula Rula doesn't look like Meredith Marks. Rula is not Meredith Marks. Not with her culture. No way. No way. No way.

Kelli (06:21.877)
Mm.

Lori (06:23.852)
I I don't know. I I'm just trying to come up with something because the math is not mathing. Like it do it doesn't make sense.

Kelli (06:29.343)
Well, can all, I think we can safely say that she was well aware of the affair and she's playing it off that she wasn't aware of the affair. So maybe she is afraid of him. That would check out for sure, but you you see right through the affair thing.

Wendy (06:29.366)
Well, that's why I think the fear.

Lori (06:37.48)
Right. Yes.

Wendy (06:44.556)
I mean, she called the police on him, right? We're gonna find out more about that next week on the season finale. We know she dropped the charges. She you know, she wouldn't pursue it, but you don't you don't make the phone call unless you really think you're gonna pursue it. And then you don't drop the charges unless he gives you a reason to drop the charges. And I I mean that reason could be fear. He could be

Lori (06:48.718)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (07:05.196)
Right. Right.

Wendy (07:11.638)
Holding something over her head, whatever that may be. I don't know, but I don't know. I would like to see how it plays out though. so then she needs to come back for that to happen. That's all I'm saying.

Lori (07:13.719)
Do

Kelli (07:24.349)
Right, I want her to come back single, like get rid of him and come back and let's see you date.

Wendy (07:29.111)
Yeah.

Yeah. Well the thing is they're gonna start filming soon, that's the problem. They've already they Yeah, and they've already Yeah. Yeah, they're gonna be filming soon and you know, I think they're all coming back.

Lori (07:35.98)
Yeah, that is. Yeah.

Kelli (07:36.499)
Yeah, because they film in the summer. Because bitches love summer.

Lori (07:40.236)
Yeah. So

Wendy (07:47.943)
then we see Ashley at her house. She's making tacos with her family, and her parents are there, and we her parents ask, they're talking about Audrey's lease, and it's up in September. And Ashley said, you know, he wants to extend it because he's got some reservations for some after parties, after weddings, and he doesn't want to cancel them. And her father's like, Well, if you know, if Ashley asked you to, you know.

To close it or to sell it, would you? And Ashley's like, Well, I would never do that. And I don't think that she would. He's like, Yeah, I I would do that, you know.

Lori (08:24.598)
It's just getting played out. It's getting it's getting it's of it's no longer of interest to me now.

Kelli (08:26.473)
Yes, I agree.

Kelli (08:31.357)
If Ashley wants to come back next season, they gotta stop with the Audrey's talk.

Lori (08:34.86)
Yeah, you g it's gotta you gotta stop. Like stop.

Wendy (08:36.094)
Well, in the after show it comes up that the you know, he did extend the lease and now it's coming up again for r renewal. And she thinks he's probably not going to renew it. And I will say this, you know, she talks about it in the after show. He had it for two years, he gave it everything he had. She was on with Rula and

Kelli (09:00.021)
Rosie.

Wendy (09:00.714)
Rosie, right? Yeah, Rule and Rosie. And you know, there it's not like he sh there I think Rule is like, it's not like he's a failure, he's just, you know, he's pivoting. You know, I myself had an ice cream polar for five years and she said the exact same thing I said. It's not that it wasn't successful, it was more work than it was profit. It was making money, it wasn't losing money, but it was too much work for the money that was getting out, right?

Lori (09:01.687)
Mm. Yeah.

Lori (09:25.838)
For their profit. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (09:28.34)
And that's where he's at. And she's like, There's other things he can do. And I think that's fine. They talked about it. It's a part of their life. Like, I don't think it's a bad thing. She he's only had it two years. Of course it's gonna be part of their storyline. How could it not be?

w really what I didn't actually need to see, believe it or not, was the Liz and Dolores go to the state office and talk to the state representatives. I mean

Kelli (09:50.345)
What was that?

Lori (09:52.494)
Yeah, that was just like some weird cameo for political pe like it was just weird.

Kelli (09:55.008)
Like are we, exactly, like are we supposed to believe that these two are, you know, marching in to make a change and stop it?

Lori (10:07.148)
Yeah, it was I I mean, I don't I don't necessarily mind the premise of the scene, but there was something about it that was just off putting to me that just seemed I don't know, like cheesy and contrived and

Wendy (10:07.499)
I know.

Wendy (10:24.386)
Everything about it. We already knew that that that they were the first state to pass this. We already knew about this. Like why do we have to go t right, why do we have to go to the office and meet them? 'Cause they wanted to be on camera? Come on. Like

Lori (10:25.858)
Yeah, right.

Kelli (10:29.331)
Right, so what are they doing there?

Kelli (10:34.089)
Right, right. And are we giving, like we're just giving Dolores scenes? Like she was at the Arabian party, right? Dolores was a friend of, like you're not, know, some friends, like Jen Fessler was in like a lot of scenes on Jersey, you know, as a friend of. But that's not, that wasn't Dolores' role in this show. Dolores' role in Rhode Island was to get people interested in it. It worked. Now they don't need her anymore.

Lori (10:34.104)
Yeah.

Yeah,

Wendy (10:43.937)
Yes.

Lori (10:46.925)
Right.

Lori (11:03.15)
Mm-hmm. Hence why she's not coming back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it was I thought it was very odd myself.

Kelli (11:03.175)
It just is what it is. Jersey's coming back, she's filming Jersey. Like, it is what it is. You're done. Your work here is done, Dolores.

Wendy (11:03.22)
Exactly. It is what it is.

Wendy (11:10.038)
Yeah. Yeah.

I did too. then we see Rosie goes over to Alicia's house and she shows up with this big, beautiful pink flower arrangement and pink balloons. And she wants to hear about like her ride from hell. I thought that was so sweet. Like who who doesn't like to be greeted with flowers and pink balloons? I mean I certainly do.

Lori (11:29.066)
It was very sweet. It was very, very sweet. Yeah. And I thought it was really cute that she brought something for Alicia's daughter to do. Yeah, it was really it was cute.

Kelli (11:33.245)
I know. Yes, absolutely.

Wendy (11:38.816)
The ducks.

Wendy (11:42.721)
You know, Rosie really does like like children. I mean, even when she talks with Ashley all the time about her kids, like she loves she loves children. I think she's gonna be a great mom. I think she really does need to reconsider it. I think her father in law is correct. Like she needs to reconsider it.

Kelli (11:51.283)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (11:56.98)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (12:01.986)
so Alicia's like, you know, Liz called me but I wasn't ready. I just wasn't ready. And they're trying to figure out like what she's gonna do at the Arabian P Nights party, 'cause Liz is gonna be there and she's just gonna deal with it, right? That's all you're gonna do. And Rosie's thinking about what she's gonna do with Kelsey, 'cause those two aren't getting along.

Lori (12:24.472)
Kelsey just does not like Rosie.

Kelli (12:26.439)
No, clearly. It's very clear.

Wendy (12:28.46)
Kelsey is jealousy. Jealous. Kelsey is jealousy.

Kelli (12:30.868)
Yes.

Lori (12:30.892)
Yeah. Ooh, cool. I like that. Kelsey was Jealty.

Kelli (12:35.189)
Yeah, she's very jealous. totally agree with that. Everything Rosie said in that confrontation was 100 % spot on. Where's your house? Where's your husband?

Lori (12:36.536)
Kelsey, you'd be jealousy.

Wendy (12:39.138)
Yeah.

Wendy (12:45.09)
Mm.

Wendy (12:51.654)
then we see Alicia's having a FaceTime with Joelan and they're getting ready for the Arabian Knights party and this also came out on the after show. Joelyn said she wasn't invited because Rula knew that she had a wedding to go to. I was like

Lori (13:06.678)
I know, I saw that on the after show. Joan was like trying to play it off like no no no no she w she would have invited me, except for she knew that I was busy and I was like, Girl, no.

Wendy (13:13.858)
Apparently she hadn't seen this episode yet.

Kelli (13:16.767)
Yeah, I don't think so. No.

Lori (13:21.078)
Yeah.

Kelli (13:21.407)
Ha ha ha ha ha!

Lori (13:23.906)
Yeah. Yeah, there's no yeah.

Kelli (13:24.851)
Right.

Wendy (13:29.238)
so Kelsey arrives first at the party. I now we know why. Kelsey not Kelsey. Kelsey arrives

Kelsey arrives with Billy and Jared offers to get them a drink because we find out that Jared and Ashley, because Ashley got there first. Jared has to leave because he's got trivia night at the bar. So he wanted to just make his appearance, which I thought was nice, and then he was leaving. I thought Rosie looked beautiful in her red Arabian outfit.

Kelli (13:57.621)
That was nice.

Lori (14:04.962)
I thought that the whole party though had a very weird vibe. Like it was a weird vibe. I mean it was weird.

Wendy (14:09.013)
It did.

Kelli (14:10.801)
Why was Rula's cape glowing?

Lori (14:16.216)
I don't know, maybe she thought she was at like a one of those festivals, like a music festival.

Kelli (14:20.497)
Yeah, that's what it looks like. I'm like, is that Arabian Nights? Where your glow, like your glow, like it's like a strobe light. Your cape was a strobe light. First of all, why are you wearing a cape? And why is it a strobe light?

Lori (14:24.14)
Like like no, she's she's like at a rave. Yes. Yeah.

Well it was wings. It was wings.

Kelli (14:36.026)
it didn't look like wings. Why would you have wings on?

Wendy (14:36.108)
Yeah.

Lori (14:37.932)
Yeah, it was wings. I don't know. I don't know. But it was a weird vibe.

Kelli (14:45.525)
I mean, this is her culture. Well, maybe there is a reason. I'm sure we'll find out in the comment section.

Lori (14:50.476)
Yeah, it it was just a it was just weird and

Wendy (14:50.944)
Yeah. It was weird. It was weird. It wasn't you know what it was? I think it's because the host and hostess are weird. Like they are not welcoming. It didn't have a warm you know, like you go to a party and you feel like like like good energy, like even watching it, it didn't seem like there was good energy at the party, right? Which is odd.

Kelli (15:00.575)
Well, yeah.

Lori (15:08.46)
Yeah. No. No. No. No. No. Cause I well, I don't think that it really is odd because I think the two of them are full of shit about their whole fucking relationship. And then you have everybody coming to this party knowing he's been fucking somebody else and she's pretending like it's not happening and you're like, Whoa, what am I say here? What do I do? Like, you know, like,

Kelli (15:11.539)
Right. Right.

Kelli (15:19.816)
Exactly.

Kelli (15:24.564)
Right.

Kelli (15:28.819)
Right.

Yeah, it's all phony baloney.

Wendy (15:32.086)
Well how how about when the belly dancer comes out and Brian like starts awkwardly dancing with her? I was like, like what?

Kelli (15:37.056)
Ugh.

Lori (15:37.324)
Yeah, that was good.

Yes. No. No.

Kelli (15:40.839)
No, no, no.

Lori (15:46.135)
No, no, no.

Wendy (15:46.689)
I did like that Rich and Billy were talking about how they could get Rosie and Kelsey to squash the beef. I actually did like that. I don't normally like when men get involved, but because this one is like so petty and those two are kind of like the young ones, like I think that those two should be hanging out especially if if it's just for the guys to be friends. Do you know what I mean? Like they like I think they should all be friends.

Lori (16:02.104)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (16:07.336)
Right.

Kelli (16:11.443)
Yeah, and I thought that Richie bringing it up was nice and then Billy was like, do you think you could do that? Like, which I thought was funny that he said that, but it was, you know, the fact that they were both like, can we just do this? Like enough.

Wendy (16:17.428)
Right. Right.

Wendy (16:23.104)
Yeah, like let's just make let's just squash the beef, like let's move on. Like it's dumb and it is it is dumb.

Kelli (16:25.522)
Right. Right.

Lori (16:26.722)
Right. But again, it is dumb. But and again, I think there was lame ass apology on both their parts and I don't think either one of them meant it.

Kelli (16:29.109)
mmm

Kelli (16:35.861)
Well, what's funny is that Rosie's calling Kelsey's apology inauthentic or whatever she says. I'm like, all right, well, yours wasn't that great either. And I don't like it when people rate apologies. You got the apology. Accept it or don't. Right. Right. Exactly. Some people have a very difficult time apologizing.

Lori (16:43.604)
Right. Yeah. Equal. Even Steven there.

Lori (16:51.682)
Right.

Wendy (16:52.716)
Well either you accept it or you don't. Right. That's it. Either you accept it or you don't. And if you accept it, there's no rating it. You accepted it.

Lori (16:55.116)
Right. That's it.

Lori (17:00.578)
Right. Right. It's not a gymnastics move. Yeah. No. Right. Right.

Kelli (17:04.637)
Right, right. It's not a one to ten scoring scale. Yeah.

Wendy (17:12.546)
So then Alicia walks over and says, Hi to Liz, and she's like, How are you doing? And Alicia starts with, You know, I know. But Alicia starts with 'cause that's who Alicia is. She starts with, You know, I would never hate you. Like I can't hate you. I don't want to fight with you. I wasn't trying to attack you, and I feel like you thought I was attacking you.

Lori (17:17.708)
And Liz was she was very cold. She was like giving nasty that I smell shit face and everything.

Wendy (17:37.281)
She said, I feel like you would understand more than anybody. I just needed to take time. You know who I am. And Liz said, Listen, I never got a minute to even give you compassion because I felt like I was being tag teamed. and never once did Joelyn say, Liz, you know Alicia's heart. She's that that's what she's sticking with. Because she said that to Joelyn. Like that was Joelyn's line. No, it makes no sense.

Lori (17:58.957)
I it it makes no sense. It it just it makes no sense.

Kelli (18:00.841)
Yeah, like, right, like Joellen should have said to Alicia, like, you you know, she's coming from a good place, but it wasn't really Joellen's place to do that.

Wendy (18:14.548)
No, it wasn't.

Lori (18:15.062)
Right. And you know, later on we'll see when she's on the the beach with Kelsey, d I mean her own words, she says, I know that my reactions are fucked up. I do know it. But I know that they are coming from a place of me looking over my shoulder. So you're paranoid, so everybody else is to blame for your behavior, but not you. Like a and

And what is it exactly that Joelyn did to Liz? You know, and Liz says in her confessional, it's just rich when someone that hurts you becomes a victim. What did Joelan do to her that was so insanely bad? That's what Liz said, insanely bad. What what was it that she did? I mean, I'm no big Jo Ellen fan.

Wendy (18:51.06)
Nothing.

Lori (19:09.6)
And I know she can be meddling and a pain in the ass and get into shit and stick her nose into everybody's business, but

Kelli (19:14.869)
Probably because she wasn't blindly loyal. Because that's what people like Liz and Dolores want. Blind loyalty.

Lori (19:18.221)
Yeah, but I

Lori (19:23.094)
Right. But I I'm just trying to think to myself, well, what is it exactly that she that she did? They I it just didn't it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense to me. Like make it make sense.

Kelli (19:32.596)
You can't get over.

Wendy (19:39.907)
So Liz does finally say, you know, I'm gonna make it very simple. I blurted out something I should not have. I apologize. Like, you know, I don't want to fight with you. And then Liz in her confessional says, Listen, I will forgive her, but I'm not gonna forget. Which I'm glad she said that. Alicia said that. Alicia said that. Yeah. Liz in her confessional said, I never really need to harm, I never really mean to harm or hurt anyone ever. I don't.

Lori (19:57.298)
you mean Alicia? Yeah, Alicia, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (19:58.142)
Alicia said that, Alicia said it.

Wendy (20:09.204)
I do believe that that's what she thinks, but I don't think she realizes how strong and harsh she comes across. I don't think she realize it. I don't think she is self aware.

Lori (20:17.678)
Mm.

Kelli (20:17.791)
Exactly.

Wendy (20:24.682)
Wendy (20:28.578)
So then Rosie and Alicia are talking to Rula and they're talking about the girls trip, and Rosie brings up that Rula was a big topic of conversation at the castle.

Lori (20:41.11)
And why is Rula acting like

That she's all up and like, why wouldn't you think everybody's talking about you?

Kelli (20:49.845)
They were talking about you when you were around. Imagine how much they talk about you when you're not around.

Lori (20:53.216)
Right. Like like talk about you when you not or not. she's like like well like why was I such a topic of com Come on. Come on.

Wendy (21:02.306)
so Rosie said, Do you know about the video? And Rule said, I don't know anything about a video. And I know.

Lori (21:09.046)
Alicia looked like, shit, like ooh, I didn't know this was coming at all Yeah. No.

Kelli (21:11.039)
Yeah.

Wendy (21:14.048)
Yeah. Alicia didn't want to do this. Even though they kept trying to make Alicia do it, she didn't want to do it.

Kelli (21:19.465)
didn't want to do it.

Wendy (21:21.632)
And by the way, even when Rosie does tell her, she says to Alicia, why didn't you tell me? She's like, I didn't want to tell you. I didn't want to t I didn't want to do that. Like if you know Alicia, you know why she didn't tell you. That's not who she is.

Kelli (21:29.257)
Right, I don't want any part of this.

Kelli (21:37.695)
Right.

Lori (21:38.23)
Right. And I mean I know it's a television show and it's produced and blah blah blah and they're trying to make good T V by saying it at somebody's party. But it really is not the not the right time or place at all.

Kelli (21:49.385)
Right. Right.

Wendy (21:51.393)
No, but I mean it's the second to the last episode and it's gotta get out. I mean right. Someone's gotta say it. Yeah. So Rosie's like, you know, it was just a blonde woman kissing and hugging and like you know, it's I feel weird with this information and ruler's first thing was like, Well, is there a timestamp? Like how do I even know? Like how do I know it's real? I haven't even seen the video.

Kelli (21:54.196)
Right, they gotta move it along. They gotta move it along. Tick tock ladies. Tick tock.

Lori (21:55.027)
Right, right. Yeah, I think I'm going along. Right. Yeah, yeah.

Lori (22:16.482)
Who's got time out there to to Photoshop timestamp? Like who who's who's that?

Kelli (22:25.481)
They're trying to make, this is the problem, they're trying to make this mistress look like she's some stalking, crazy, looned person obsessed with Brian. And that is fueling her even more to be like, hell no. That is not what happened.

Wendy (22:38.402)
I think she might be.

Lori (22:44.182)
I don't think so. I don't think so, Wendy. I don't think so. I think that they were in a big relationship. I think he was ready to leave. I think he gave her a ring. He gave her part of the business. He met her family. It was a whole thing. And then I think all of a sudden this T V show thing came up and he decided to flip the script because and and yeah, and I think that

Wendy (22:48.716)
Well then

Kelli (22:53.299)
Yeah.

Kelli (23:04.884)
Yes.

and make it look like she's some obsessed stalker on him.

Lori (23:14.562)
That's I think that that's the

Kelli (23:17.107)
And I think they're trying to make it look like she, like the mistress is faking these timestamps and sending fake text messages. And she's like, right.

Wendy (23:17.923)
sh

Wendy (23:26.22)
Well that's what Rule is try wants us to believe, but why would the why would the mistress sign an NDA unless she was getting something in return? So she's getting something in return or there would no there wouldn't be an N D A to sign. Like why would she sign it?

Lori (23:40.115)
Maybe when the f show first started, he told her, Look, we're just gonna put us on hold for a little bit. just don't talk about anything while we're doing the show. It's only gonna be a couple of months, it probably won't even work out, and then we'll go right, you know, we'll continue with our plans, blah, blah, blah. And then all of a sudden the chick is like, Well, what the hell is this? Like, now I'm getting called to cockroach. Now but he's acting like, you know,

He wasn't in this relationship.

Wendy (24:11.81)
Yeah, but the NDA was signed before that happened.

Lori (24:15.95)
Well, that's what I'm saying.

Kelli (24:16.307)
Right, she, right, she's saying like that the woman agreed like, right, all right, I'm not gonna say anything, we won't say anything, we'll just see how this plays out. And then all of a sudden they're on the show and it's like, know, Ruel's husband's cheating on her and they're like, wait, what? We're talking about this? So they have to be defensive, they have to be on the defense, they have to make it look like this woman's crazy and she's stalking Brian and she's faking time stamps and now she's like, no.

That is not what happened. So fuck the NDA. This is the truth.

Lori (24:49.686)
Right. Right.

Wendy (24:52.746)
I I mean that I don't know, I don't see it that way 'cause then why is she going to Instagram and posting pictures at his house if she's not trying to stir the pot?

Kelli (25:00.339)
because of what's going on on the show. maybe, I totally agree she wants to be on the show. Yeah, but I think that she agreed to it thinking that, you know, it wasn't gonna come out. And then when it came out, the way they're making her look, she's like, no, I'm gonna defend myself now.

Wendy (25:02.882)
I think she wants to be on the show. I think she wants to be on the show.

Lori (25:06.394)
probably. Yeah. yeah. Yeah.

Lori (25:22.028)
Right. That's what I think. And Rulesure likes that cockroach word. She likes the Cockroach. Yeah, I was like it's just it's it's her it's her word. Yeah. She I know. She's like the cockroach word. Yeah, no.

Wendy (25:23.106)
Yeah.

Wendy (25:27.926)
Because she called Joel and a cockroach. I'm like, why is she calling Joel and a cockroach? Does she not know any other bug?

Kelli (25:37.727)
There are other insects, Rula.

Wendy (25:42.38)
And then Kelsey walks up and she's like, Can can we all do a shot together? And she's Yeah, we should ch ch cheers to Bitches Love Summer. I was Yeah, Bitches Love Summer

Kelli (25:51.381)
Summer. Bitches love summer.

Lori (25:53.665)
Now, when they did the selfie, did anybody catch the look on Liz's face?

Wendy (26:00.812)
Yeah.

Lori (26:02.998)
It was a shitty look. It was a shitty, shitty look. I was like, Ooh. It was a shitty look. Yeah.

Kelli (26:08.052)
back and look at that.

How about Alicia's stepmother coming out and entering the chat?

Wendy (26:15.817)
on s on social media? That's crazy.

Lori (26:18.882)
I think I think she should have just kept in her lane. That divorce has nothing that divorce has nothing to do with you. That is not your it's not your gig. Yeah. But it's not it's not your gig, lady. Your husband's a grown ass man. He can defend himself or not defend himself. It's got nothing to do with you. I thought she looked like a fool. That's what I thought.

Kelli (26:23.829)
She sure should have.

Kelli (26:28.893)
Or did it? Maybe it did have something to do with her.

Wendy (26:31.968)
Yeah.

Wendy (26:36.447)
I couldn't believe that.

Kelli (26:40.917)
That's right.

Right. She looked like a complete fool. But you know what, sometimes, I'm not saying all, so please don't come for me, but sometimes second wives who are married to men who have children with the first wife, they got a lot to prove. Or they think they got a lot to prove. I'm not saying all of them are like that, but a lot.

Lori (26:58.544)
absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yeah.

Wendy (27:07.298)
Who does she re she reminds me of somebody I feel like I've seen her before. Who is it?

Kelli (27:10.919)
She reminds me of Danielle Cabral's mother. Just the way she, it's a very blurry video. I'm sure Danielle's mother is younger than this woman. Well maybe not, because how old is Alicia? I mean Alicia and.

Lori (27:11.714)
Somebody else said that too.

Wendy (27:15.434)
is that

Wendy (27:20.982)
Yeah.

Wendy (27:24.642)
Alicia's in her forties. Alicia's in her forties.

Lori (27:24.768)
No, I I think d I think Danielle's younger for some reason.

Kelli (27:29.277)
I think Danielle's younger, yeah. Yeah, so she's a little bit younger. So she reminded me of Danielle's mother.

Wendy (27:29.952)
No, I Daniel just turned forty, I think. I think yeah.

Wendy (27:38.71)
That could be it. That could be I I just when I watched Right, right, right, right. Just her no, it was her look. No, it was her just her look. I was like she reminds me of somebody like we've seen before, but I couldn't I couldn't place it. Maybe I think you're right. Then we see Kelsey and Liz are clamming.

Kelli (27:40.113)
Not personality wise, no offense to Danielle Cabral's beautiful mother. Yeah.

Lori (27:58.093)
Not really. Just poking some rakes in the thing. Huh?

Wendy (28:00.8)
When when Liz says

Kelli (28:01.237)
I've never gone clamming, have you guys? I've gone crabbing, not clamming.

Lori (28:07.01)
I don't think I've been cramming.

Wendy (28:07.455)
No, I haven't gone clamming.

Kelli (28:09.843)
I feel like that's a northern...

Lori (28:11.956)
No. No. Yeah. Yeah. Like my ancestors are known as clam diggers. Like that's the the name of us. We are called clam diggers. Yeah.

Wendy (28:11.978)
No, you can clam you can clam here, like over by Island Beach State Park. You can jump in the water and clam with your feet. Or we have we have raking clams. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (28:22.812)
we are called clam diggers. We are called clam diggers. That's right.

Wendy (28:26.901)
Yeah.

I think we have a clam rake, we do. A clam Yeah. Yeah. But when Liz says no, they were not doing anything, they were just having a conversation. and they're talking about Block Island for the end of the summer party, and you know, Kelsey feels like she needs to bring everyone together. Why does she have this place on Block Island? Is it is it her ex boyfriend's place? Like, why is she the one who's is doing this?

Lori (28:32.132)
I'm sure you have a clamor.

Kelli (28:33.449)
Yes, I would bet money on it.

Lori (28:36.024)
Bill has a glamour, yes. Yeah, but they weren't really

Kelli (28:55.101)
Yeah, maybe it's the judges place on Block Island.

Lori (28:57.303)
Yeah, I don't know.

Wendy (29:00.426)
Yeah. And she said she knows what good memories Liz has.

Lori (29:02.23)
But it's it's amazing how yeah, but it's amazing how, you know, even Kelsey and you could tell by the way Kelsey w said it to Liz, like, do you ever think maybe you were wrong about anything?

Wendy (29:17.066)
yeah. Yep.

Kelli (29:17.171)
Right, right.

Lori (29:19.01)
You know, and Kelsey said that because she thinks Liz is wrong about some things. No, no.

Kelli (29:22.877)
Right. And Liz says, now.

Wendy (29:25.524)
No, she said no. Flat out no. She said I think a lot of me is responding to something that I think was premeditated. You can call that paranoia. Even paranoids have enemies. What?

Lori (29:35.32)
Right.

Lori (29:40.13)
What are you talking about? I think she was a little a little whacked at the party too. That rulers party. A little slurring, a little it just was I was like off, like whoa, whoa, whoa.

Kelli (29:40.639)
You know, sometimes I watch these people.

Kelli (29:48.021)
You think?

You know, as parents, sometimes as a parent, watch Bravo and I look at certain people and I'm like, I literally make it my job to make sure my kids don't turn out to be like this person. And Liz, I have to be honest with you, is one of those people. One thing that bothers me, one character trait that I despise is when someone cannot admit when they've done something wrong. I cannot handle that.

We all make mistakes and I hope, you do always think you're doing something wrong and you're not by the way. But I hope I'm like this because I strive to be like this. If I'm wrong, I one will apologize and two own up to it. But I just think it's the worst character trait when somebody can't admit when they're wrong.

Lori (30:24.128)
I always think I'm doing something wrong. I'm I'm like always I am. I'm like always I I always think I'm doing something wrong.

Wendy (30:24.31)
Hundred percent.

Lori (30:39.862)
And I want you to tell me.

Lori (30:46.55)
No.

Wendy (30:47.008)
Yeah. No, she can't. She definitely can't. And she flat out says it.

Kelli (30:51.157)
Yeah.

Wendy (30:53.226)
And honestly, I think that was good of Kelsey 'cause she's trying to hold her accountable, but she doesn't listen, that's the only way she's gonna try because there's nothing else she can do. Kelsey's not a strong enough person to go against her. Like to, you know, really hold her accountable, right?

Lori (31:05.784)
Right, right.

Kelli (31:06.941)
None of them are. And I just saw a thing before we logged on. People want Monique. Whoever this Monique is, people want Monique on there because apparently she will go head to head with Liz. Because I think, not that JoEllen tried to go head to head, but she at least tried to have like a rational conversation with her to, you know, iron some things out. You can't. Liz isn't that girl. She's just not that girl.

Wendy (31:13.062)
my gosh, yes.

Lori (31:27.838)
Mm. Mm mm. No.

Wendy (31:32.522)
No, she's not, and I would love for Monique Monique to be on next season, so I hope we do get to see her.

Kelli (31:37.813)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (31:37.966)
That would be fun.

Wendy (31:39.922)
So you know, they're getting ready to go and we find out that next week is the season finale. So this went by so quick. Twelve episodes, yeah.

Kelli (31:48.725)
Yeah. 12 episodes, huh?

Wendy (31:54.836)
So on watch what happens

Kelli (31:54.974)
I feel like we're gonna have a two part reunion. I don't think we're getting three parts. I hope not. I don't think we need three parts.

Wendy (31:59.957)
I hope not. I hope not either. We only had we only had eleven episodes. There's really not that much to cover.

Lori (32:05.998)
Mm.

Wendy (32:08.418)
Liz is on and her husband Jerry's there. Andy asked Liz to clarify the comment she made about the homeless comment. And Liz said, I've kno this is what she said. I've known about the situation. This is how I knew it. She sold that house when she was with her father. They moved into the grandparents' house. They've renovated the house with the father. The f it was in the most high end neighborhood in Rhode Island. And they all moved in together once it was done, even the dad.

Liz said, for me to hear the word homeless, it was a knee-jerk reaction. I was trying to prevent her from the local backlash from those of us who knew her. Then she said, This is this is it. Liz said, It would be like me after knowing you all these years, Andy, and you said to me, I've been pretending all these years to be gay, but I'm straight. I would have the same reaction. You were never straight. I was like, okay.

Kelli (33:03.957)
So she's saying that the parents sold the house together amicably, then renovated the grandparents' house and all moved in there together, including the father.

Wendy (33:17.952)
Yes.

Lori (33:19.617)
Maybe.

Kelli (33:20.009)
That's a very different story than what Alicia said, so.

Wendy (33:24.598)
I know. And

Lori (33:24.994)
Right, but it two things can be true though, okay? So it could be that I think 'cause I think this is what happened. I think the father was cheating on the mother. I think the father left. I think the father came back. I think the father left again. I think the father came back. I think they finally got divorced. He said, All right, I'm selling the house and then I maybe he didn't have anywhere to go right away. So maybe he did move in with them for a little while, but then I'm sure he moved out.

And started his own life, and hence Alicia felt abandoned and didn't have her home anymore. So two things can be true.

Wendy (34:04.738)
She also went on to say it was it wasn't me coming from a place of malice. She never meant to down you know d downgrade her feelings, like she only wanted to protect her. but what the other thing she

Lori (34:17.368)
But she wasn't she wasn't nice and loving and protecting. She was with that nasty smirk on her that smirk on her face and the and the whole attitude was n d no.

Wendy (34:20.712)
No, because she's harsh.

Kelli (34:28.851)
Yep, totally agree.

Wendy (34:30.102)
The other thing she said was did I write it down? She said that Liz said I apologized at the castle and the day after I apologized and I apologized after that, I apologized to her mom and she thanked me for saying that she wasn't homeless and then magically she felt disrespected and insulted.

Kelli (34:51.637)
Wait, she said that on Watch What Happens Live?

Wendy (34:53.91)
Yes. Yes. So

Kelli (34:57.727)
So Liz is saying that Alicia's mother had a different reaction to her than her reaction on camera.

Wendy (35:06.87)
Yes.

Kelli (35:08.693)
To me, are bold things that Liz is saying. Who's right? Because there are vast differences here. So who's telling the truth? Because somebody's lying.

Wendy (35:17.356)
Well I I get

Yeah. gosh.

Lori (35:21.448)
Or or two things two things can be true. Maybe, maybe, Liz kind of felt a little bit like a dick about it, approached Alicia's mother and people can accept your apology and not really accept your apology. She could be like, Yeah, okay, whatever. And then

Kelli (35:39.091)
Right, she's not gonna say thank you for saying that we weren't homeless. If they, you know what I mean?

Lori (35:44.404)
Right. So maybe she didn't. Right. But maybe she was just like, okay, yeah, I understand where you were coming from. You're you know, we we weren't really homeless, blah blah y like maybe she did one of those.

Kelli (35:55.711)
but then Liz's line.

Lori (35:58.711)
Or embellishing. You know how people do?

Especially somebody who doesn't want to appear to be in the wrong ever.

Wendy (36:03.798)
Yeah.

Lori (36:10.136)
So I don't know.

Wendy (36:11.052)
Yeah. And and don't forget, she also said that she doesn't regret accepting that Jo Ellen was one of her best friends. She's like, I don't know, like Andy said, Well, where'd she get that from? She's like, I don't know, just one of her narratives she wanted to go with.

Kelli (36:28.287)
weird thing to say about your friend.

Lori (36:31.18)
Yeah, instead of being right. Instead of looking at it from the lens of what it is, like you know, I'm s you know, I kinda fe I kinda feel bad that she really thought that our relationship was something other than it was. And you know, like there's none of that. No. Not a drop of No. So

Wendy (36:31.284)
Yeah. Even if she's not your best friend.

Wendy (36:47.104)
Right. no, there's no empathy. No, no. No, there's no empathy.

No, I think this reunion is gonna be interesting.

Lori (36:57.72)
To say the least, yes.

Kelli (36:59.625)
Well, I think next week's gonna be interesting, right? Because it's not gonna get tied up in a pretty little bow, I'm sure.

Lori (37:02.23)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (37:04.043)
Yeah.

Lori (37:07.212)
no no.

Wendy (37:07.306)
No. And I think actually, I don't know when they're gonna start airing what are they calling it? The the twenty year what are they calling it? No, no, the the girls trip. 'Cause they ended at the girls' trip at the r at the Dorindas and the Rhode Island people were there.

Kelli (37:17.63)
O-O-C.

Kelli (37:25.557)
right, right, right, right.

Kelli (37:33.055)
That's right.

Wendy (37:33.572)
but wait, you what? That that fight actually wasn't on camera, they said. But maybe it will come up at the reunion. Maybe it will.

Kelli (37:37.769)
now.

Kelli (37:41.267)
But, right, yeah, whatever they were fighting about, because Dorinda said they were crazy. At her house.

Wendy (37:48.245)
Yeah.

Yeah.

All right, so we're just gonna have to wait and see.

Kelli (37:54.965)
Yeah, man.

Lori (37:56.95)
Well you well.

Wendy (37:59.682)
All right, well thank you for watching and listening. Please give us five star reviews and thank you. Bye.

Kelli (38:07.039)
Bye.

Lori (38:07.234)
Bye.