RHOM-Is It The Final Toast in Miami?

Wendy (00:01.644)
Welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.286)
I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:05.964)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Miami reunion part three. Wow, this was a long season.

Kelli (00:16.055)
don't think we needed three parts to the reunion because I don't think we really got much this episode, do you?

Wendy (00:23.927)
we didn't get that much.

Kelli (00:25.183)
I think that, I think what we got in this episode easily could have been put into the other two episodes. But whatever.

Wendy (00:33.676)
Yeah, I agree. I agree. We start out this reunion with Andy talking to Lisa about what Larsa said to her when she was in Milan about she should have been with her father instead of walking the runway in Milan. And Andy asked if Larsa was right, which I have to say is a really horrible question to ask Lisa.

Kelli (00:58.397)
Awful question. Awful. Awful, awful, awful.

Wendy (01:04.171)
Lisa said, you guys have no idea what I was going through, because I never talked about it. But my father would have wanted me there. not only did you not ask me how I was doing, but you guys all piled on me.

And then she brought up Alexia, you know, when your mother died, not only did I have empathy for you, but I threw a whole party for you at my house. You weren't able to make it. Right. You weren't able to make it, but I had everyone wear your mom's red lipstick. and she did. They, you know, they all celebrated Alexia's mom. And she's like, I didn't see anything for me.

Kelli (01:29.269)
that she didn't even go to.

Kelli (01:40.757)
Yeah. Yep.

Wendy (01:47.072)
And then Andy said to Larsa, like, what did you think when she sent you the picture of her father in the casket? Larsa's like, well, we weren't in a good place. So I felt like she wanted to make me feel bad. Lisa said, you see what you did there. Like you made it about you. Like this wasn't about you feeling bad. This was about my dad. I wanted you to see what it was I was going through.

Kelli (02:03.873)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (02:09.803)
Yeah, Alexia says enough is enough.

Wendy (02:12.334)
I couldn't believe it. honestly, almost every time Alexia would chime in, it was not appropriate. And nobody called her out on it, ever.

Kelli (02:21.889)
No, she had no right being in that first seat. No right whatsoever. She brought nothing this season. All she talked about was Todd. All she talked about was Todd.

Wendy (02:31.277)
Yeah.

Wendy (02:37.422)
Yeah. I mean, Lisa said, we're allowed to be going through grief for a year with our divorce. And guess what? I'm going through it. I keep it to myself a lot of times because people don't know what I'm doing, the things that I'm doing. Alexia is like, well, I feel the same way. That's the point I'm trying to make. No, it wasn't, Alexia. No. Right. Right.

Kelli (02:53.693)
Exactly. No, it wasn't. You just wanted to talk about yourself again. And it was a failed attempt. Failed attempt.

Wendy (03:02.922)
And he said, I'd like to know what happened in the elevator in Sevilla. Like Julia, like there weren't cameras up. Julia said, you said something to Larsa and you snapped and then the door opened and we walked out and then Jodie started texting her. And she said the insinuation, what Jodie was texting about was never discussed. And that's what the whole problem was, is that they were talking about that Jodie was texting Larsa and how dare he text Larsa, but they don't even know.

what the texting of Larsa was about. Like it was nothing. It was absolutely nothing.

Kelli (03:34.667)
Right. Right. Right.

Wendy (03:40.704)
And Lisa says, well, she talks about Jodie's eyes. She's like, they were talking about what Jodie's eyes look like.

Kelli (03:48.971)
And Julia says, well, in my Russian culture, we ask why people have big eyes. Shut up! Enough with the Russian culture bullshit. I've never heard that in my life.

Wendy (03:59.882)
I know.

Wendy (04:07.168)
It was crazy, this whole scene. And honestly, I am team Lisa. I am completely on her side.

Kelli (04:14.007)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Wendy (04:17.42)
She's like, you that's, you have a lot of things that you should be sorry for. You know, all right, I did not follow Marcus. You know, I'm sorry for that. But that's pretty much all she did. That was her only thing she didn't do. She's like, I should have done that. She's like, but you really hurt my feelings with Jodie. Like we had nights where we almost broke up because we were fighting because of the things you were saying about him and his reputation. He's a businessman. Like he can't have this out there about him.

Kelli (04:40.597)
Right. No.

Wendy (04:45.358)
And Andy said, to Lars, if you could apologize to Jodi backstage, would you do it? She's like, yeah, absolutely. I don't want her to be upset. Like, don't want my friends to be upset anymore. And the thing about it...

Kelli (04:58.711)
How about when Lisa says, tells Larsa, you need to say sorry because you fucked up and Andy says, what should Larsa apologize for? What do you think, asshole? Maybe insinuating that he's a coke addict? Like, what do you think he should apologize, what she should apologize for?

Wendy (05:13.389)
Yeah.

Wendy (05:17.612)
I know. And then even it comes up again about the AC. Well, you said AC. She's like, yeah, air conditioning. mean, since when is AC code word for drugs?

Kelli (05:28.875)
I don't know, you know, and the thing is, listen, Miami is known for cocaine. it's, I mean, we've all watched Scarface for crying out loud. We know this is going on, but there's a difference. There's a difference. I don't know. I just don't think it should be a topic of conversation on these shows. This guy did not sign up to be a housewife. He is not a housewife.

Wendy (05:37.666)
Right.

Kelli (05:57.993)
And just like, know, Todd's getting a certain, you know, image of himself portrayed on this show, now this poor guy's going to, like, leave him alone, leave him out of it. Larsa definitely tried to insinuate that Jodie is, you know, does cocaine. Your boyfriend got caught on camera doing it, so now you're turning it on him.

Wendy (06:11.671)
Right.

Wendy (06:17.644)
Yeah.

Wendy (06:23.106)
Yeah.

But then Andy says again, okay, we're gonna move on from this now. So again, I hate when he does that. I hate, I hate when he does that.

Kelli (06:29.399)
I know. No resolution. Yeah.

He was, he just had had it, I think, at this point. Yeah. Just moving right on.

Wendy (06:44.686)
So what he moves on to is we're gonna soak up some of the fun you had while you were traveling. And then they show all the clips where they're traveling and they're having fun.

And then the first question he asks Lisa is how long she's lived in Miami. And she's like, I don't know, 16 years. And he's like, and still you don't seem to know a lick of Spanish?

Kelli (07:07.435)
Who cares?

Wendy (07:08.716)
Right, like why is this a question?

Kelli (07:11.807)
I think speaking English in Miami is perfectly acceptable. If you happen to speak Spanish, that's amazing, but who cares?

Wendy (07:23.224)
Who cares? And with all that's going on, why is this something that you're like, why? And then he asks if there's any volunteers to teach Lisa Spanish and Kiki raises her hand. Cause Marisol taught her one Spanish phrase, which supposedly, I don't know, cause I don't even really know what she said, but according to Anna, cause I listened to Anna's podcast, what she taught her is,

the most vulgar and gross way ever to say, not stick your penis in my vagina.

Kelli (08:00.413)
Right, so yeah, please don't put your dick in my, and then nobody would say, I don't know what word she was referring to or said, because I don't speak Spanish either. But apparently it was very vulgar, like you said.

Wendy (08:13.985)
Right.

Wendy (08:19.84)
Right. Yeah. And I'm just like, okay, this, we didn't need this. We couldn't, we couldn't edit this out. We didn't need this.

Kelli (08:28.309)
Right. Right.

Wendy (08:31.214)
And then he talks to Kiki about how she, you know, traditionally eats something untraditional when she goes away. Like last year she ate crickets and this year she nearly choked on an oyster. Well, an oyster really is not that untraditional. And she said, she thinks it was because maybe she was going through celibacy and her throat was dry. What?

Kelli (08:54.967)
None of these women make any sense. Honestly.

Wendy (08:58.422)
No, no.

Wendy (09:03.043)
gosh, I just wonder. wonder like, listen, I know Andy doesn't come up with all these questions, but he can pass on them, I feel like. Some of them he should just pass on, right?

Kelli (09:12.435)
Yeah. Right. Right.

Wendy (09:18.264)
So then he says, Julia, you fanned the flames between Alexia and Stephanie in Spain when they arrive after the private jet. Julia said, you're absolutely right. I give that to you 100%. Like, I didn't mean to do that. just misspoke.

She just, I don't know. All she does is apologize.

Kelli (09:43.391)
If anybody was playing a drinking game and took a sip every time Julia said, I'm sorry, wasted. You'd be wasted by the end.

Wendy (09:48.515)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:53.686)
And she says she had a brain fart. That's why she was, I mean, it's so ridiculous.

Wendy (09:53.827)
Yeah.

Wendy (10:00.938)
It is so ridiculous. Then Lisa asks everybody, let me ask you a question. Where was the energy for these two, meeting Alexia and Marisol, when they didn't go to Marbella? And Julia said, well, the Spain trip was for Alexia, but the Marbella trip was for me. Yes, I would have liked them to be there, but that was more for me. And then all of a sudden they're all like yelling back and forth again, like I can't.

understand what any of them are saying. And then Stephanie, Stephanie like yells, can I talk please? Because you couldn't hear anything was saying anyway. So she's like, I want to clear the air. It's really, is it really that bad to fly on Shoma Air with the rules? And Adrienne was like, nope, no, I do it any day. And Andy's like, yep, I would do it. And

Kelli (10:33.131)
Right. Right.

Kelli (10:53.877)
and Marisol says it wasn't about the rules, but it was 100 % about the rules. She starts to explain why it's not about the rules, and she's totally contradicting herself. She sounded like a moron.

Wendy (11:01.998)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (11:08.141)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, because she's like, well, I felt like someone was going to be in solitary confinement. And Stephanie's like, have you been on a private jet? There's no solitary.

And then Alexia chimes in.

Kelli (11:24.521)
And by the way, that's a rule that you're complaining about. Like, cause if you don't do this, then you're gonna have to go sit there.

Wendy (11:33.76)
Right, exactly. Alexia, once again, tries to come to Marisol's defense and she's like, well, do you remember like the big fight at the dinner the night before when Gertie and Kiki were going back and forth with the, not Gertie, Adriana and Kiki about the ratchet, ratchet, yeah. And they both deny it, but Stephanie said to Marisol, listen, and Alexia, it also hurt me that you tried to convince everyone

Kelli (11:49.939)
Adriana Brachet wretched Brachet wretched

Wendy (12:03.338)
else not to go. And they're like, no, no, we didn't do that.

Kelli (12:05.035)
And I totally believe that that happened. I totally believe that they tried to do that.

Wendy (12:10.796)
I mean, they kind of showed it to us. Like they showed them call everybody in their room and say, like, we're not going, you this is, you shouldn't go either. Like, no, we just said maybe we would take the train.

And then Andy says, this was so stupid too. Stephanie accused you two of being twins. If that's true, we're gonna play a game. We'll see if you answer the same. I mean, this was so dumb.

Kelli (12:36.351)
It was very dumb. It was very, very dumb.

Wendy (12:38.092)
I mean, first is Kiki's dad hot. And you see the look on Kiki's face? That's her dad. And then yay or nay, Jodie has Furby eyes after you just got done saying stop talking about Jodie and he's got to make it a question.

Kelli (12:56.939)
Yeah. mean, thankfully she said no, because Jodie's sitting there watching, but I don't know. It was very rude. It was very rude.

Wendy (12:58.477)
I-I

Wendy (13:11.438)
It really was. It was.

Kelli (13:12.875)
And you're not holding them accountable. You're not making them feel like they did anything wrong. And they did, especially Marisol. She was horrible to Adriana. I know Adriana is no angel and she's not innocent, but for someone who was demoted to a friend in season three of the show, we just figured out, why are they giving her so much power? Why is she there? Why is she there?

Wendy (13:20.696)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (13:42.614)
Well, according to Anna, the reason she's there is because Alexia is paying her.

Kelli (13:49.696)
Alexia gave a part of her salary so that Marisol can be paid as a friend of. And again, I 100 % believe it. I mean, so what does that mean? Like, okay, so Adriana and Kiki were gonna be friends of and get paid and Marisol wasn't. So Alexia was like, listen, bring Marisol on as a friend of and take that piece of the pie from my salary and give it to her.

Wendy (13:55.202)
That is a quarter to Hannah.

Wendy (14:00.343)
I believe it too.

Kelli (14:19.499)
Right? That's what that means.

Wendy (14:24.536)
That's crazy.

Kelli (14:26.817)
So crazy. But I believe it. Because I don't think there's any reason Marisol should be there. I don't know if there's any reason Adriana should be there either. She's not bringing much either.

Wendy (14:31.041)
I believe it too.

Wendy (14:39.766)
And on it would explain why Alexia gets mad when Marisol doesn't fall in line because she's paying her. It's she's.

Kelli (14:46.647)
for sure.

especially when they're on the after show, you know. I mean, Kiki, feel like they could make Kiki, I feel like they could make Kiki a housewife and we could learn more about her.

Wendy (14:53.539)
Yeah.

Wendy (15:03.798)
can't. I mean we can see her daughter and we see her father now. I mean we can learn more about her.

Kelli (15:06.165)
Right.

Right, so just make her a housewife, get rid of all these friends. It's too many people.

Wendy (15:16.29)
I think you said it. This is the only franchise that has the Friends of out the entire reunion. Three episodes.

Kelli (15:24.607)
entire reunion and always has since it's come back.

Wendy (15:30.35)
three episodes and we have three friends of, which is a lot.

Kelli (15:34.559)
It is a lot. It's a lot.

Wendy (15:38.412)
Yeah, just give the people that you want their mojito and the other ones get rid of them.

Kelli (15:44.939)
Right, and don't bring Marisol back. I'm over, I'm so over Marisol.

Wendy (15:51.434)
I'd say don't bring back Marisol, don't bring back Julia, bring back Nicole. I say keep Adriana. I would like Adriana to stay. I would like her to stay.

Kelli (15:56.011)
No.

Kelli (16:00.086)
Yes.

Kelli (16:04.257)
I like Adriana, I don't want to see her go, I just don't know what she brings. But maybe your job as a friend of isn't really to bring that much, but my point of saying Marisol was if you didn't want her to begin with and she's only there because of Alexia giving up part of her salary, what are we doing?

Wendy (16:23.074)
Right. No, I totally agree. I totally agree. So then Andy brings up Cakegate with the equation she wrote down, like, to Kiki, like, how did you think that that was gonna land? And she said, looking back, like, it was mean. She had no idea. I really believe that. I don't think she really understood.

Kelli (16:47.852)
Yeah.

Wendy (16:49.422)
Whoops.

Kelli (16:50.871)
You

Wendy (16:52.642)
Sorry about that. I don't think she understood how sensitive Adriana was to her age. I don't think she realized it.

Kelli (17:05.207)
think it was malicious, but I do think Kiki should have realized that anything about Adriana's age is going to bother her based on how she reacted to the, you're too old to be talking like that scene. But whatever, it is what it is. It was a cake, who cares?

Wendy (17:19.938)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Right. Then Adriana goes on to say that she hasn't had a birthday party since her quinceañera when she was 15, because she doesn't like to celebrate it. Lisa gets up and goes over and gives her a hug and Alexia and Marisol are over on the other couch like telling her it's too much. Like this is, you know, this is too much. And right. And Marisol's like, come on, like she's talking about old age and she told me I had old bony knees. And

Kelli (17:46.315)
because she was crying.

Wendy (17:54.814)
Andy says to her, you know, you made that comment. And she's like, yeah, because I wanted to hurt her. I did it to hurt her. She admits it. Because she was icing me out. She said that she couldn't be on the same boat as her. And Adriana knew that. So she at least admitted why she did it. She did it to hurt her.

Kelli (18:10.871)
It's very clear that Marisol did not want Adriana around. It was made very clear this whole season.

Wendy (18:18.902)
Yeah, yeah, to film with her. And according to Anna, and I didn't really pick up on it, I should probably look back. She said Adriana didn't even film the first few episodes because Marisol wouldn't allow it.

Kelli (18:30.977)
which is wild considering she's a friend of. Like why, who is listening to Marisol? The producers, cause she's getting them stuff, she's getting them gifts.

Wendy (18:35.137)
Right.

Wendy (18:45.654)
Yeah, that's crazy.

Kelli (18:47.207)
It is crazy. It really is crazy. I mean, listen, Marisol and Alexia clearly only befriended Julia to get her away from Adriana, so Adriana would have one less person to film with. That's very clear.

Wendy (19:03.574)
Yeah, that is very clear. And even the fact that she said she's having surgery, she's not having surgery. She's having a procedure called Renuvian, which apparently Dolores is an ambassador for and speaks of it. It's just a procedure you have in the office. It's not surgery.

Kelli (19:24.887)
Her knees are fine.

Wendy (19:26.914)
They're fine. They're fine. So then they go to a break, but during the break they're still filming and Lisa's in her dressing room talking to Jodie. And then Larsa comes in and says, you you don't know my history to Jodie. You don't know my history with Lisa. Like I really needed her. Lisa said, well, it was a lot for Jodie. Like Lisa was maintaining like, this isn't about me.

This is about what you did to Jodi because Jodi didn't sign up for this. If you have a problem with me, you bring it to me. Leave Jodi out of it.

So they kind of agree that those Lisa and Larsa are going to figure it out another day, but Lisa's still maintaining that you need to get this, you need to make this right with Jodie. So she apologizes to Jodie. She's like, I should have never brought your name up. I should have never done that. I'm really sorry. And then Jodie says, listen, I haven't even talked to Marcus in over a year. And Larsa's like, then what are we fighting about? Like exactly, what are you fighting about?

Kelli (20:27.531)
Right, right. And I like, like I think Larsa is more likable when she's getting along with Lisa personally. Like I think Larsa goes very low when she's not getting along with someone obviously. So I don't mind Larsa on the show when she and Lisa are in a good place. Larsa with Alexia Marisol, I'm not really interested in that trio.

Wendy (20:29.11)
Exactly.

Wendy (20:36.181)
I agree. completely agree.

Wendy (20:54.836)
No, I agree. I like Larsa better when she's getting along with Lisa, but she's another one. Like if she didn't come back, I could care less.

Kelli (21:02.839)
I totally agree with that. Totally agree. Nah. Nah.

Wendy (21:04.652)
I mean, I don't need Larsa. I don't need her on this show.

So they apologize and they hug and everything's good. They agree that they're not, know, Larsa agrees she's not gonna talk about Jodie. And then after the break, they go back and Andy brings it up right away. Like you and Larsa and Lisa, you guys have made up and you're good.

And then a year ago, Gertie rang the bell announcing she was cancer free, but her post cancer life has been anything but stress free. And they show a lot of what she's going through and about the reconstruction that's, she's not really where she wants to be physically. they show her in the doctor's office with Russell and Russell is the best husband ever, Yep.

Kelli (21:54.229)
Number one guy in the group. Number one guy in the group.

Wendy (21:57.58)
Yep. He's supporting her for the, you know, the reconstructive surgery. He's like, you're beautiful. You don't need it. They go to couples therapy together. He encourages her to go to individual therapy. You know, he is her biggest cheerleader. And then Andy touches on the trauma that she had, her childhood trauma. And if she thinks that that

Kelli (22:14.455)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (22:25.922)
has led to her reaction to what happened with Julia. And she says that, you know, she feels bullied, isolated and abandoned. And that's how she felt when she was a child. It took her back to that.

Kelli (22:43.457)
Sure, it's totally understandable. And you know what else I liked what Gertie said? She's like, listen, there are a lot of people like me who came to this country the way I did. like, this is not an isolated case. Like she acknowledged that like, this is, know, this happens a lot. This happened a lot. There's a lot of people out there. So maybe her talking about it did make some other people.

Wendy (22:45.102)
Which I... Totally, totally.

Wendy (22:55.938)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (23:03.885)
Right.

Kelli (23:13.121)
feel better about it. So I'm not normally a huge fan of the housewives doing therapy on TV, but in this case, I'm actually very glad she did. Because it was real. It was real and it was genuine.

Wendy (23:15.596)
No, I totally agree.

Wendy (23:27.66)
I am too.

Wendy (23:31.372)
It was real, it was genuine. You could see what she got out of it. It opened her eyes to why she was reacting the way she was and why it was bothering her so much because of her trauma as a child. And she hadn't dealt with it ever. And then having gone through cancer and everything that she's been through, she needed this. And like I said, if Gertie doesn't come back, I stand by this. I am not watching this. If they get rid of Gertie,

Kelli (23:34.646)
Yes.

Kelli (23:52.897)
Yes.

Wendy (24:01.142)
I'm not watching this because it's just, it's ridiculous because she is a good housewife and I want to see her story. And this is not a reason.

Kelli (24:02.731)
I'm with you.

Kelli (24:07.415)
There's plenty of other shows out there we can talk about.

I totally agree with you.

Wendy (24:15.33)
Yep. He asks her for her latest health update. And you know, she says she's doing great. She's working out. She's, you know, trying to get her groove back. She's decided not to do any more reconstructive surgeries. And I'm happy for her. I'm happy she's come to a place where she knows what she wants to do and she's just going to be okay with it.

Kelli (24:39.157)
Yeah, and Russell is totally supportive.

Wendy (24:42.306)
Yeah. mean, Julia apologizes again. I'm very sorry, Gertie. I made you feel this way. It wasn't intended. I lost my cool. Gertie does say thank you. I appreciate it. So I feel like she does accept it. But I think Gertie's smart enough to know that those are just words and we're just going to move forward. Right?

Kelli (24:55.766)
Yeah.

Kelli (25:02.357)
Yep. Yes. Yes.

Wendy (25:05.09)
Then we take another break. come after the break. And Andy says, dream was realized when Julia and Martina welcomed two new baby birds into their coop. OK, I don't know why he felt the need to use all these crazy analogies. They expanded their flock but ruffled the feathers of Julia's two grown chicks. What?

Kelli (25:31.863)
Well, whatever.

Wendy (25:35.138)
So her two daughters are Vika and Emma. Vika has met the boys, but Emma has not. But she thinks Emma is coming around. Emma's the youngest. The boys are doing well. Jackson just turned four. And Kiki was there to celebrate with her daughter Summer because they're close in age. Luca is now 2 and 1 half. Andy asked, did you give your daughter's advance warning that you were adopting the boys?

Kelli (25:55.029)
Yeah, your daughter's so cute.

Wendy (26:04.738)
Like, what's the root of this issue? And I don't believe her explanation. I just don't.

Kelli (26:12.363)
I don't believe anything that comes out of her mouth.

Wendy (26:15.48)
So she said, we started the adoption process before Martina had cancer, and then we put everything on hold. And then she became a little bit better and we decided we'd give it one last go. And then a month before the home study was to expire, we got a phone call about the boys. I was in Moscow and Martina was traveling. She doesn't say where she was. She was visiting her, she was in Moscow visiting her parents and Martina was traveling. And we had four days to change our travel plans and to go pick them up. And we had no warning.

Okay, well how long does it take to pick up the phone and make a call?

Kelli (26:50.017)
Right. To your own daughter. To your own daughters.

Wendy (26:51.062)
It doesn't take that long. Right. Right. It doesn't take that long.

Wendy (27:00.898)
Then Andy asked what Martina's relationship was with the daughters. And she said, well, it's better with Vika and it's a little bit emotional with Emma. I don't think that Martina has a good relationship with them. I really don't. I don't. And I think that it's probably because of Julia and because they know, I think the daughters know who their mother is.

Kelli (27:23.329)
Yep. Yep.

Wendy (27:25.075)
And they don't like it. They don't like it.

Kelli (27:29.323)
And I'm starting to think that maybe Martina was leaving Julia because of the infidelity. And Julia talked her into adopting these boys so they could be one big happy family. So Julia doesn't have to leave her cushy lifestyle with Martina.

Wendy (27:44.886)
Right. And I don't know. I don't know, but Martina has no children. Martina has no heirs. So these little boys are pretty much all Martina has. And if they have been adopted by both Martina and Julia,

Kelli (28:09.569)
Julia set for the rest of her life.

Wendy (28:11.808)
She is set for the rest of her life, even if they do divorce. Even if they do. Right. Right.

Kelli (28:18.155)
And where does that leave her two daughters?

kind of on an island by themselves. Because now Julia has these two new babies that are gonna be paid for for the rest of their lives. Listen, I feel awful saying all this, but now knowing how unfaithful she has been to Martina over the years, now I feel bad for Martina.

Wendy (28:25.142)
Yep. So.

Wendy (28:32.451)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Wendy (28:41.706)
Mm-hmm. I do too.

Kelli (28:45.171)
And I think that Julia's just set herself up financially. Clearly these boys are gonna have a good life, which when it comes down to it is the most important thing. But I do think that that could possibly be what motivated Julia.

Wendy (28:50.701)
I do too.

Wendy (29:06.124)
Yep, I do too. And then once again, Andy says, I want to move on. And we move on.

Kelli (29:12.354)
Yes, yes he did. Yes he did.

Wendy (29:15.822)
And then he goes on to Marisol, rumor has it that you are looking to sell Mama Elsa's place. Marisol said yes.

Kelli (29:23.701)
Is she, she's not living in her place, is she? Okay.

Wendy (29:25.866)
She's not living in her place. Andy said, do you rent it out? She goes, yeah, it's been rented out. She said she doesn't think her mom is attached to it anymore because she does talk to her mom. And Lisa's like, how does she talk to her mom? If you were asked

Kelli (29:49.641)
Andy did go in on Marisol a little bit here, a little bit, you might know.

Wendy (29:53.462)
He did, after this one he did. So a viewer asked what her mom would have thought of Steve. And she said she would have loved him and she thinks that Mama Elsa picked him and sent Steve to her. He does go in with the Dr. Nicole accused an unnamed friend of hiring a private investigator to dig up dirt so they could get a mojito.

And he asked this directly to Marisol and her response was, prove it.

Kelli (30:29.131)
That was funny.

Wendy (30:30.55)
And Alexia said, Alexia jumped in, it doesn't make any sense to bring it up now. And then Marisol said again, prove it or we're going to court.

Okay, you just gave us the answer. Dr. Nicole was right.

Kelli (30:45.929)
Exactly. And Alexia kind of did too. Like why is she bringing this up now? She never said it didn't happen. Neither one of them ever said it didn't happen.

Wendy (30:50.808)
Yeah.

Wendy (30:57.4)
Yep.

Kelli (30:59.415)
Crazy. Crazy. I totally agree.

Wendy (31:00.692)
Marisol needs to go. Marisol and Alexia. I want them both to go. But if you have to keep one, you can keep Alexia. She'll get crushed.

Kelli (31:09.43)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (31:14.41)
So I thought this was interesting. Next, Andy says, Stephanie, you originally believed Alexia influenced Marisol's opinion. Then after you talked to Alexia at the spa on the cruise, your opinion flipped. Where do you stand now? And Stephanie looked right at Marisol and said, as much as I love you, you've actually hurt my feelings and I haven't really talked to you about it. She said, I've been on the show.

Since I've been on the show, it's been very hard for me to listen to all the public backlash. And do you know who's managed to send me every single bad article? You. And Marisol's just sitting there shaking her head no. And then she's like, well, why didn't you tell me? Don't send me stuff. I wanted you to know what was being said. I was trying to help you. Bullshit. Bull-

Kelli (31:52.545)
Yeah.

Kelli (32:03.777)
No she wasn't, my God. She's a horrible person.

Wendy (32:11.01)
Stephanie said, every day of my life, I'd go to bed thinking this was the worst idea of my life. And she's like, I was tagged in every single post. Like, I was starting to think, does Marisol really like me or is she just coming for me? And Marisol's like, wow, because I was trying to be your friend? No, Marisol, you were not trying to be your friend. And then Larsa jumps in and this was another thing that kind of threw me.

Kelli (32:29.939)
No you aren't. No you aren't.

Wendy (32:37.862)
honestly, I know what it is. Marisol thought when you came on that we were all gonna be friends, you, me, Alexia and Marisol, we were all gonna be really close. And Larsa said, but I feel like both of you guys, just you wanted to, Stephanie said, I wanted to get to know everybody. And she did, and she did say that. Like, I'm not just gonna be your friend because Larsa's your friend, I wanna get to know everybody.

Kelli (32:59.809)
Yeah.

Kelli (33:06.966)
Yeah.

Wendy (33:08.128)
And Larissa said, your circle is very small and I don't think people know how sensitive you are. And she's like, yeah, my circle is small, but again, like this is not a safe space. And Andy said,

Kelli (33:21.963)
Problem was that she went to lunch with Adriana. That was the problem. Marisol didn't like that.

Wendy (33:25.59)
Right. That was the problem. Right, right. She didn't want her to do that. She didn't want her to do that. And she liked Adriana.

Kelli (33:32.117)
Right. And she's used to pulling the strings and she couldn't pull Stephanie's strings.

Wendy (33:40.704)
Right. That's what it was. That's what the problem was. Because when Andy said, you think Marisol's a safe space? And they cut to the scene where she said to Marisol, I thought I was in a safe space. And Marisol said to her, there are no safe spaces. She said she gave me good advice, which I didn't appreciate at the time, but that is good advice. There are no safe spaces in this group. can't, yeah, I can't really open up completely.

Kelli (33:43.895)
Yeah.

Kelli (34:04.001)
These women,

Wendy (34:13.088)
And then we go to the final party where Marisol dropped the bombshell. This is what I don't understand about this. So Adriana is saying that it didn't happen, but it did happen. Because Marisol's admitted that it happened. Adriana is saying that she didn't say ratchet, she said wretched.

Kelli (34:35.073)
She's saying that she meant wretched. She's really not saying that it didn't happen. She's not saying that Marisol didn't do this. But what she's saying is she really did mean wretched. She didn't need Marisol to say that. She didn't need Marisol to swoop in and like save her. Because that is really what she meant. That's what she was saying. I think that's how I took it.

Wendy (34:44.514)
Okay.

Wendy (34:58.262)
Okay. I mean, that would make sense because otherwise it doesn't make sense. Like, why is she lying about this? Like, if she said that, then just admit it.

Kelli (35:08.427)
What I still don't understand is the racist thing where Adriana said that Kiki called her a racist because we never saw that happen. So why does Adriana think that Kiki called her a racist?

Did she just make that up or did Marisol tell her Kiki said she was a... You know what I'm saying? Like why?

Wendy (35:33.326)
There was definitely, yeah.

There was definitely something because we never saw and even Kiki addressed it because Kiki said, Kiki is the one who said, I don't think that you're a racist. never thought that you, even if you did say ratchet, that's not what I thought. I don't think you're a racist. Nobody here thinks you're a racist. But Adriana had the impression that Kiki was spinning it, that she was a racist. And I agree with you. She had to get that from somewhere. And who else would spin that?

Kelli (35:37.121)
Cause we never saw it. Yeah.

Kelli (35:59.789)
Right.

Wendy (36:05.634)
The only person that would spin that would be Marisol.

Kelli (36:08.235)
Right. But why isn't Adriana saying it? That's the only reason I think maybe Marisol didn't, because I feel like at this point, if Marisol said it or insinuated it in any way, Adriana would have called her out for it, yeah.

Wendy (36:20.908)
Adriana would say it. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know why she's not. I really don't. But Kiki does make it perfectly clear that she doesn't think Adriana's a racist. And after seeing what happened, that she's mad at both of them. Because she was in a good place with Marisol, and Marisol didn't have her back. And she's trying to help her, like she said, like they've had a...

a problem since the fall of the Roman Empire. And they have, like they've never been good.

Kelli (36:53.505)
Yes. No, never, never.

Kelli (37:01.279)
I like that Kiki got the Amazon driver's number. She's like, yes, he was cute. I got his number.

Wendy (37:04.788)
I missed that.

I love that, I missed that.

Kelli (37:10.647)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (37:14.114)
I do like Kiki.

Kelli (37:14.551)
Marisol kept saying to Adriana, I just wanted you to lay off of me. I just wanted you to lay off of me, man. I think Marisol goes harder for Adriana than Adriana ever does to Marisol. But see, that's the thing, right? But Marisol's conniving about it, sneaky about it.

Wendy (37:26.02)
I completely agree.

Kelli (37:36.417)
She's just not a good person Marisol, she's just not a good person.

Wendy (37:36.557)
Yeah.

Wendy (37:45.418)
Andy asks Marisol, do you feel like you owe anyone an apology? And she feels like, I didn't take Kiki into consideration. I didn't think how it would affect you and I apologize for that. I was thinking about myself. Okay. Really? They go to a break and then we get the final thoughts for season seven.

Kelli (38:05.303)
And that's it. That's all we got.

Wendy (38:13.354)
And Andy says he wants to end on a positive note and he wants to start with Stephanie. And Stephanie says, this is by far one of the top five best experiences of my life. think meeting all these girls is something I'm going to cherish forever. And I believe her. I do. believe her. Andy says, Lisa, I got to tell you something. I'm very impressed with your growth tonight. I agree with him 100%.

Kelli (38:42.433)
Me too.

Wendy (38:44.022)
I mean, Lisa is a different person with Jodi. She really is.

Kelli (38:49.921)
Well, listen, when somebody's treated nicely and with respect, they feel better about themselves. And, you know, I think that's what we're seeing the result of. think Lenny was not, I don't think Lenny was nice to Lisa in any way, or form. I think he provided, yep, exactly. Yep.

Wendy (38:55.053)
Yeah.

Wendy (39:07.766)
No, and she was so young.

She was so young, so impressionable. She didn't have any real life experience. And when she was thrown to the fire with Lenny, she had to grow up quick and like stand on her own and take care of her kids. And she was so lucky to have Jody there by her side helping her.

Kelli (39:24.471)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (39:31.721)
Yeah, for sure.

Wendy (39:33.732)
and I think she rose to the occasion. I really do.

Kelli (39:36.203)
Yep. Absolutely.

Wendy (39:39.182)
And then Andy said, hello, Green, what about you? And he was talking to Gertie, like, why did he call her Green? Because she was wearing a green dress? Stephanie was wearing green too.

Kelli (39:48.951)
I don't know, but Stephanie's dress was way more green.

Wendy (39:54.476)
I thought that was rude. I feel like he doesn't like Gertie. I feel like they don't like Gertie and it aggravates me.

Kelli (39:56.235)
I thought it was weird.

Kelli (40:02.193)
I think that Andy is very transparent with who he likes and who he doesn't like and I agree with you, I don't think he likes Gertie and I don't know why, but he's very transparent. You can see it from a mile away when he likes or dislikes him.

Wendy (40:18.326)
Yeah, don't like it. I really don't like it. I think it's rude. So she says, I'm amazing. And to be honest, everything that's happened this season, and Andy interrupts her and says, you're going to plug your book? And Gertie said, of course I am. And good for her. Why shouldn't she plug her book?

Kelli (40:34.343)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Wendy (40:39.36)
It's coming full circle. It's from Trauma to Trophies. That's the name of her book, From Trauma to Trophies. Good for you, Gertie. We're gonna buy your book. Kelly will read it. We will buy it. We buy it whenever we'll buy it, and Kelly will read it. Because I'm sorry, I don't read books. I don't have time. I will listen to the audiobook for sure. I would listen to the audiobook.

Kelli (40:45.559)
Mm-hmm. Yep. I will definitely read that book for sure.

Kelli (41:02.795)
Yeah, there you go.

Wendy (41:05.461)
What about Adriana? Adriana says, the notes that were left on your mirrors this morning, those were from me. This was actually funny. I thought this was so funny. And they show all the ladies reading the notes in the morning when they arrive and Marisol thought it was her producer, she said, because the terminology seems so legal and smart. And Adriana said, I'm going to Harvard, girl. I write all the time. And Kiki thought it was Stephanie. Listen, I give...

Kelli (41:15.041)
Me too.

Kelli (41:28.629)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (41:35.32)
credit. Some people hate that about Adriana. I actually like it. I like it. I do. I like it. She said, before we start the reunion today, please read and abide by these instructions. Rule number one, clear, clean, concise, focused statements on your position. I didn't get the rest of them because they didn't say them. But the other one was no gobbledygop language.

Kelli (41:39.224)
I thought it was great. Yeah.

Kelli (41:54.976)
Right.

Hehehehehe

Kelli (42:03.841)
So funny.

Wendy (42:05.742)
Next is Kiki. She said she realized this friends group has ups and downs, like it's just her and her two kids. And with this group, she feels like she has all these husbands. She said, cause it's not even like having sisters. Like you guys are tough. Like I want to be as tough as, as all of you. And I like that for Kiki. I do.

Kelli (42:24.353)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (42:27.158)
Marisol's was, love having girlfriends and I love what I do. Okay. And then Julia said, this year I feel it was my best season and my worst season. My best because of course I expanded my family. My worst because I realized I have a lot of growing to do. Through the pain of it all, I have these women with me and she reaches out to everybody on her couch. Come on. Come on.

Kelli (42:51.382)
Yeah.

Well, listen, the whole growth thing is clearly so she tries to get another season. You know what I mean? Like, I'm gonna grow, I'm gonna be better next year, so make sure you put me on the show so you can see it. I mean, that's so clear.

Wendy (43:08.61)
I mean, I don't know if it's true, but supposedly it's out there that she is seeking treatment for PTSD.

Kelli (43:14.337)
She put that out there.

Wendy (43:16.312)
Did she? okay. All right, so then it's not true. If she put it out, then I know it's not true because she doesn't tell the truth. Okay.

Kelli (43:17.537)
think so. Who else would put that out there?

Exactly. I mean, who the hell else is putting that out there?

Wendy (43:30.703)
my gosh. So then Larsa says, feel good. I'm with my friends. We have such a solid friendship. Even you Adriana. I was like, okay.

She said, I feel like even if you called me, I'd be there for you. I mean, I'm not sure, but I feel like maybe.

Kelli (43:45.557)
Like what's your problem with Adriana? that Alexia Maris all have a problem with her, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (43:49.88)
Who knows?

Wendy (43:53.861)
That's it. That's what it is. Yeah.

Alexia said, yeah, the most positive thing for me is that the ladies were there for me. And Adriana says to Alexia, I'm proud of you because it takes a lot of courage to walk away from somebody you love. Alexia said, it was nice. Said, now that I'm on the other side of this, I'm stronger now and I see everything that you guys were seeing before. I see it now. I mean, I hope that's true, but I don't know if it is.

Kelli (43:58.657)
Terrible.

Kelli (44:11.233)
Yeah, that was nice.

Kelli (44:26.209)
I don't know if it is either.

Wendy (44:28.098)
I don't know if it is.

Kelli (44:29.558)
I don't either.

Wendy (44:31.616)
I do say I hope that Todd wins, but everyone says it's not ever gonna go to trial, he's gonna settle.

Kelli (44:37.259)
He's definitely gonna settle, but that's the whole point of what he's doing.

Wendy (44:39.094)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (44:42.271)
And listen, if he does settle, it'll be very interesting to me because the whole Brandy Glanville thing went away, the whole Liam McSweeney thing went away. Like what makes him think he's gonna be successful against basically NBC? But I kind of hope, I do hope he is, not kind of, I do hope he is successful and I hope that this sets a precedent for them to leave these partners alone and

I mean, he didn't do himself any favors, Todd, but they really, I mean, he got dragged.

Wendy (45:20.162)
He did. He did. mean, I think that that 10 minute apology video that he put out was really the beginning of the end for him.

Kelli (45:27.927)
Yeah, yeah. The first one to Anthony, Dr. Nicole's partner. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (45:31.542)
Yeah, that's what, yes, yes, that's what I'm referring to. Yeah, that's the one I'm referring to because that's when everything, everything switched. know, that's when he didn't show up to the party after that video, cause he didn't want to have to deal with it. But even though he was there and downstairs, that's when everything changed.

Kelli (45:40.684)
Yes.

Kelli (45:49.377)
Yep, yep. Yeah, I don't know. I hope he's successful though. I hope Bravo has to take accountability for something because they're ruining lives. They really are. And I know we like to watch it and we talk about it we like the drama, but sometimes it goes too far. Sometimes it goes too far.

Wendy (45:51.959)
So.

Wendy (46:13.174)
It does go too far. think the question I'd like to ask our listeners and viewers is what housewives would you like to see come back next season if Miami comes back? Cause there's also a rumor that Miami may not come back. Yeah. They may move it to Peacock or put it on pause. Yeah. May go on pause again. So that's my question. What housewife, if Miami comes back, what housewives do you want to see?

Kelli (46:27.38)
really?

Kelli (46:32.021)
again.

Kelli (46:43.788)
Yeah.

Wendy (46:45.678)
And we'll see, we'll see what happens. I I also heard that, I don't know if this is true, Bravo wants no part of Melissa, not Melissa, Joe and Teresa's sit down. They will not film it.

Kelli (47:00.418)
Sit down.

Kelli (47:05.09)
So my opinion on that is that bullshit, Bravo would have cameras there in a hot second if they were allowed to. My personal opinion is that Joe, and maybe even Teresa, I'd have to think that Teresa would want it on camera, but I don't know, maybe Teresa too. I feel like Joe Gorgas was probably like, no cameras. Like if we're doing this,

Wendy (47:31.864)
would say, yeah, no cameras. I don't think it should be on camera. I don't want to see it, to be honest with you.

Kelli (47:35.722)
It should definitely not be on camera. mean, Bravo clearly ruined this family. Bravo ruined this family. And at some point they'll acknowledge that. But as of right now.

Wendy (47:51.138)
Well, they didn't do it on their own. They did not do it on their own.

Kelli (47:54.741)
No, but I mean, they, didn't have to, it first, have so many opinions, you know, but I just feel like, they could have, they could have prevented a lot of things from happening, but whatever it is, what it is here we are. I think it's a smart move not to have that conversation on camera. Just like Melissa said, when she met with Kathy Wachili, Kathy asked her not to discuss it and she

Wendy (48:03.235)
I know you do.

Kelli (48:24.236)
you know, went along with that. And then Cathy is the one that's wound up talking about it and twisting it and trying to make Melissa look bad in this situation. Like, it's just not, it's just not healthy. But I think that that is false, that Bravo said they don't want anything to do with it. I think Bravo would be there in a hot second if it was, if both parties were agreeable to it.

Wendy (48:53.154)
hope that Bravo did say they don't want any part of it. That's my hope. I don't want to see it. I don't want to see it. regardless of whether it was Bravo or Joe, I'm glad that it's not going to be filmed because I don't think it's any of our damn business. I don't think it's any of our business. I don't think it's any of our business. I don't care. I don't care. I would like nothing more than to have New Jersey come back.

Kelli (49:11.136)
I totally agree with

Wendy (49:21.994)
next year and for them to be good. I would love that. seriously, I would love that. I would love to see them in a good place because I think that's what's best for them as a family. That's what's best.

Kelli (49:25.504)
in a good place. Yeah.

Kelli (49:31.97)
for them exactly, exactly, but it's not as for Bravo.

Wendy (49:37.44)
I-I-well... I don't-I-

Kelli (49:39.384)
Cause you know I'm rewatching it right now, right? I'm on season eight.

Wendy (49:42.626)
yes, I know.

Wendy (49:46.424)
my God, I thought last week you were on season six. You're on season eight already?

Kelli (49:49.975)
Yeah, I'm just cruising. I'm just, cause it's on in the background. Just playing in the background. So season eight, I believe this is Siggy's last season, which I also believe it was time for Siggy to go. don't think this, whatever. But they're getting along fine. Joe, Judeis is away and Joe and Melissa and Teresa.

Wendy (49:52.768)
Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Kelli (50:17.418)
are getting along fine, but do you remember when they very briefly opened up a restaurant and they were gonna have it, right, and then all of a sudden Melissa and Teresa started arguing because Teresa thought Melissa should be there more, but Melissa's got envy. Like it was all made up bullshit, but it was all made up bullshit by producers saying, know what, Teresa, you should act like you're mad at her because she's not here. So even when they were getting along,

Wendy (50:24.295)
yes.

Kelli (50:46.666)
It was like fabricated arguments.

Wendy (50:47.02)
Right. Right.

Kelli (50:54.658)
That's where I'm at in the show now.

Wendy (50:55.17)
Yeah. All right. Guess we'll have to wait and see. BravoCon is just around the corner. We're going to get some announcements.

Kelli (51:02.764)
Yeah, I would imagine something's gonna get, yeah, I would imagine.

Wendy (51:06.67)
We're gonna get some announcements. I don't know if we've mentioned this, Stephen McBee Sr. was sentenced for his charges that he pled guilty to, his federal charges. He is sentenced to 24 months in prison and has to pay $4 million in restitution. And he needs to self-report, I forget the date, it's some date in the beginning of December, I think December 6th or 7th.

So before Christmas, but after Thanksgiving.

Kelli (51:38.946)
I would imagine they're gonna film while he's away. Yeah, but they're not gonna wait two years for him to come home before they start filming.

Wendy (51:41.294)
Oh, they picked up, yeah, they picked up filming. no, they're definitely not gonna wait. They're gonna definitely film. I mean, they filmed last season pretty much without him. And I do think that he pled guilty, so his children would not be implicated. And Galena, I believe that he, you know, he took the bullet. I don't think that this was him by himself. And.

I think he got off easy. I think he got off easy. I do. I years. I'm sure he'll be out sooner than two years because that's what they do. You know, they just, they lower the sentence. He also has, which I don't understand the difference because according to cousin Gina, there's no probation in federal prison. So this is federal. He has super, there's no parole. So there's no parole, but he has supervised. He's supervised.

Kelli (52:11.042)
Right. I do too. I do too.

Kelli (52:30.252)
Parole. There's no parole.

Wendy (52:38.358)
He's got supervised release after he's let out the two years. I think that's for another four years of supervised whatever that is.

Kelli (52:47.532)
I'm sorry, maybe I'm wrong, maybe you're right, maybe it was probation, not parole. I remember what she was saying. I remember her saying when you go to federal prison, once you're out, you're out.

Wendy (52:50.926)
I don't know. Either way, yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (52:57.504)
Right, that's not, mean, in this case, I know that once he does get out, they said that they're supervised something, whatever it is. I don't know exactly what the term was.

Kelli (53:07.16)
Yeah, well even when Teresa got out, she had the ankle bracelet on.

Wendy (53:11.211)
She did.

Kelli (53:12.289)
Yeah.

Wendy (53:13.774)
Okay, yeah, I don't remember it was so long ago. I know you're way more up on this than I am because you've watched it 45 times. I know. Okay.

Kelli (53:18.464)
I just watched season seven when she gets out.

She had the ankle bracelet on, yeah. So yeah, that's interesting. Maybe that's part of the sentence. Like maybe that's what she meant. Like once that's done, then you're done. There's no probation. You don't have to check in with anybody after that. Like that's just part of the release.

Wendy (53:29.856)
Yeah, so it.

Wendy (53:41.432)
Right.

Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I've never been to jail. don't, I don't exactly. And honestly, I don't know anyone personally that's gone to jail either, but our friend, your cousin Gina does. So she can actually speak a little bit more familiar than we can. Love you cousin Gina. All right.

Kelli (53:46.838)
Listen, and let's hope you never do.

Kelli (53:59.17)
Yes she does. She sure does.

Kelli (54:06.072)
Yeah. Absolutely. We'll have her on. She'll give us the low down.

Wendy (54:13.974)
Yep, she will. So until next time, thank you for watching and listening to We Why Whenever. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye.

Kelli (54:22.883)
Bye.