RHOC S20 E4 Recap: Friend in a Box Exposes Every Hidden Grudge

Wendy (00:00.869)
Hi, welcome to We Why Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.632)
I'm Kelly.

Lori (00:05.612)
and I'm Lori.

Wendy (00:07.683)
And we are talking about Real Housewives of Orange County, season twenty, episode four, boxed in. But before we do, I'd like to ask everyone to please head over to YouTube and hit subscribe and follow us on Instagram, TikTok, and Facebook. Give us five star reviews and comment and share with your friends. And thank you if you have already.

Kelli (00:27.375)
Thank you.

Wendy (00:30.519)
So we start out at Gina's house and Emily comes over and they're getting ready they're getting ready and dressed up to do TikToks together and Shannon's gonna come over and do TikToks with them because w I mean we know this. Gina and Emily are close friends and they do do TikToks together and they're f I think they're cute, they're funny, you know.

Lori (00:30.766)
Thank

Kelli (00:47.501)
I love their TikToks.

Wendy (00:49.101)
I do too. I think they're funny.

Lori (00:49.486)
That sweatshirt was pretty funny with the two things.

Wendy (00:53.081)
my gosh, that was hysterical. That was a two headed sweatshirt? That was hysterical. It was great. That was like a a a question. So would you rather a two headed sweatshirt for a gift or a vibrator?

Lori (00:57.59)
Yeah, that's great.

Kelli (01:00.057)
Yeah.

Wendy (01:11.481)
What do you think?

Lori (01:11.522)
I think I'll take the vibrator. Yeah.

Kelli (01:12.745)
Vibrator. Not that I need one, but I don't I certainly don't need a two headed sweatshirt.

Wendy (01:15.169)
Okay. I'll take the yeah, but I'll I'll take the vibrator too. Take the vi

Lori (01:21.844)
Right. I need this sweatshirt much less. It's just what it that way. Yeah.

Wendy (01:25.869)
I'll take I'll take the vibrator also.

Kelli (01:27.147)
Exactly. Yeah. For sure. I love that. Would you rather?

Lori (01:31.104)
It was so funny when Gina's son came home and she had the stocking on their face. And she's like, just doing some fun with friends, totally normal. was just so funny. I thought it was hysterical.

Wendy (01:38.541)
my gosh.

Wendy (01:42.113)
Yes, it was hysterical. It was hysterical. It was.

Kelli (01:45.103)
That was funny.

Lori (01:46.924)
And I loved how he just like went with it. It would be like.

Kelli (01:49.379)
Yeah, he's like, That's my mom and she's nuts.

Wendy (01:49.453)
Yeah, he's like yeah.

Lori (01:52.174)
Yeah, yeah, it was great. It was really funny.

Wendy (01:56.346)
Well, we find out that Heather told Shannon that she needed to pick up her social media game. So that's that's why she was going over there to, you know, to get involved. So good. I'm glad. Yeah. Yeah. She has and honestly, yeah, Shannon with the two of them. I like I like it. I like it. I and listen, like, she's sixty two years old. Like she doesn't know how to do this herself. She needs she needs people to help her. I mean, we barely know how to do it ourselves.

Lori (02:02.039)
social media game.

Kelli (02:07.298)
And she has been in their TikToks lately, Gina and Emily. Shannon.

Lori (02:22.347)
Yeah. We barely know how to do it right.

Kelli (02:22.734)
Absolutely. Exactly. And I'll tell you what, as much as Fancy Pants annoys the shit out of me sometimes, I enjoy her TikToks with Terry as well. Because as much as she annoys me and and they annoy me together, how they always, you know, talk about their money and their real estate, I do think that they have a very lovely relationship, and I do think that they are actually very happily married. I would be shocked if I ever heard anything other than that about those those two.

Wendy (02:26.063)
Yeah.

Wendy (02:33.891)
Yeah, I do too. I do too.

Wendy (02:48.592)
I agree.

Kelli (02:52.652)
You know.

Wendy (02:53.029)
I don't think we ever would, to be honest with you, even if they weren't. We never would. It's like Kathy and Rick Hilton. We would never hear anything about them either.

Lori (02:54.933)
Yeah, right. Even if it was, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

Kelli (02:55.138)
You're right. It would get buried. It would get buried. You're absolutely right.

Kelli (03:02.542)
Never. No, and and I feel the same way about them too. As much as I mean, I'm I I'm on a I like Kathy kick right now, but as much as she has annoyed the shit out of me in the past, I always thought that about she and her husband. Like they do really seem genuinely very happy. But who the hell knows?

Lori (03:15.607)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (03:15.855)
Right.

Right. But who knows exactly. So then Gina asks Emily, like, what did everyone get you for your birthday? Which you know is just a setup so she could say, Well, Carmella got me a Dior bag, a Dior clutch, and Shannon looked shocked, like, and then when she opened it, you know, she found the vibrator in it. Emily's like she thought

Lori (03:20.333)
Who knows?

Kelli (03:39.682)
Did you notice how Emily now thinks it's funny that she got the vibrator? But when she was talking to Heather about it, she seemed a bit aghast. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (03:43.371)
R she did say it was funny, yes.

Lori (03:47.509)
Right. Like aghast, yes. I did notice that.

Wendy (03:50.35)
Yes. Yes. Now she d she did say she thought it was funny. I Gina is the one, honestly, I think that is having the big problem with it. 'Cause she says, like who shows up like a bee invite? First of all, who calls who calls someone else a bee invite? Right there.

Lori (03:58.99)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (04:04.777)
Invite. Yeah, noticed that too. was like, Ooh.

Kelli (04:05.473)
Agreed.

Wendy (04:08.601)
Those are yeah.

Kelli (04:08.642)
Well i I agree with you, it's not a nice thing to say, but Gina is the one who did the inviting. So it's it's like doubly insulting that she said that when she's the one who did the inviting.

Wendy (04:17.357)
Yeah.

Lori (04:17.687)
to what are you talking about? All right.

Wendy (04:21.017)
Yeah. Yeah. And honestly I think it's because she's jealous that she can't afford it to be and she couldn't give it to her best friend.

Lori (04:25.557)
Yeah, absolutely.

Kelli (04:27.448)
Well yeah, I mean I just can't believe that this is actually going to be a storyline.

Lori (04:32.811)
Yeah, like is there nothing else?

Wendy (04:35.341)
I hope not.

Kelli (04:35.358)
I don't think there is anything else with the OC. However, I also think that because it's the 20th anniversary, this is what we're gonna get. We're gonna get a lot of nonsense. We're gonna get Emily going from person to person and and gossiping so it doesn't get too deep because Jersey got so dark and deep. You know, er the valley's getting so like everything's getting dark and deep. So I think I think for the 20th, they want to keep it light.

Lori (04:37.357)
Is there nothing else?

Lori (04:47.031)
Gotta fluff.

Lori (05:03.661)
trying to keep the fluff.

Kelli (05:04.654)
So we're gonna be talking about a Dior clutch all season.

Lori (05:07.469)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (05:09.091)
It's a lovely clutch. Yes.

Kelli (05:09.294)
It was beautiful. Who's complaining? Well, Gina.

Wendy (05:15.245)
Yeah. Emily asks Shannon how her lunch went with Vicky and Tamara and Shannon said, Listen, I you know, I just want peace. I just wanna be able to move forward and that's where we're at. Like this is our starting point, we're gonna move forward. And then Tamara calls while they're all sitting there and she wants to invite everybody over. She wants to have a Porta Vallarta party because Vicky put up a post. Apparently there was some sort of war zone going on over in Porta Vallarta. I don't know what I don't you do? I didn't

Lori (05:41.974)
I remember that. I remember that. I do. I vaguely remember that. It was something with a lot of like organized crime. So there was like a lot of like in fighting with organized crime stuff. So, it became a little unstable for a little while.

Wendy (05:44.738)
Okay.

Kelli (05:46.232)
What w what was happening?

Wendy (05:53.081)
Okay.

Wendy (05:59.512)
It's

Kelli (06:05.302)
Okay. So she couldn't go there, right?

Wendy (06:05.345)
Okay. I see I didn't know that. So she wants right. It's not safe. Yeah.

Lori (06:07.115)
Yeah. Well, it was not a good idea whilst, right, whilst they were having this kind of like drug land turf war kind of deal. So, yeah.

Kelli (06:10.328)
Right. Got it.

Wendy (06:15.853)
Right. So she's inviting everyone over to her house and they're gonna have a taco party, you know, to support Vicky. yes, yes. Yes, exactly.

Lori (06:22.839)
Sounds delicious.

Kelli (06:24.608)
In her time of need, in her time of sorrow, that she can't go to her vacation home.

Lori (06:26.658)
Yes.

Yes, Wake up. Absolutely.

Kelli (06:32.268)
White girl problems, white privilege problems.

Wendy (06:37.393)
I honestly, when they did the stockings for the TikTok, I I've never seen that TikTok trend where they blow out the candle on the watermelon, Kelly. Have you? And I'm on TikTok. Like I've never seen that. I was like, I must have missed that one. then we see Tamara goes to the art of fitness gym and meets up with her friend Fernanda Rosha Roca. And

Lori (06:42.399)
No, I've never seen that either, but I don't.

Kelli (06:47.136)
No. No. I've never seen that.

Lori (06:48.8)
No, I never seen that.

Kelli (07:01.494)
Remember when Tamra had her fake lesbian storyline that one season and Fernanda was her love interest?

Lori (07:07.809)
Her thing. Mm-hmm. Yeah, they made reference to it.

Wendy (07:09.301)
No. Went.

Kelli (07:10.455)
she was on a whole season. Fernanda was a friend of one season.

Wendy (07:14.745)
She was?

Before before Eddie?

Kelli (07:18.158)
She was Tamara's fake love interest. Tammer was you know, it was a fake storyline. y yes, I think right before Eddie. Yes.

Wendy (07:26.795)
I I do not remember that. I do not remember that. That's interesting.

Kelli (07:29.816)
She was on an entire season. Not a whole lot. She was the one. I don't know. I I I gotta she was definitely on a whole season as a friend of I I I have to think about. I thought she was the one that was doing a dress line and ripped the sleeve off of somebody. I could be wrong though. No.

Wendy (07:33.753)
Yeah, which

Got an amazing body, let me just say that.

Lori (07:50.258)
All I have to say is I feel very fat and inactive. That's all I have to say. Watch it and do it. So you felt equally? Yeah, you were like,

Wendy (07:50.415)
Well, she did say sh

Kelli (07:57.145)
w when I watch these O. C. women I feel the same way and I was hungover today. So I was eating everything. I felt like a fat blob watching this show.

Lori (08:08.045)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (08:08.879)
She said that she met him when she was married to Simon and that she was her hall pass. So maybe she was going through that while she was married to Simon. 'Cause on honestly, I don't Yeah, I didn't remember it. But she does have an amazing body and they were doing a b Brazilian booty class. And then Heather and Jen show up as well, right? Heather, Jen, Tamra, and Fernanda are doing this booty class. I mean

Kelli (08:17.775)
Yeah. I mean it was totally a fake storyline, but yes, she was on an entire season.

Wendy (08:38.713)
Good for them. I mean, I I don't know. Not my thing, but they looked amazing. Yeah.

Kelli (08:43.907)
I wish it were my thing. I'd I would die if I tried to do that.

Lori (08:48.363)
Yes, absolutely. One rep and I'd be like, my God, there's something wrong. I have irrevocably damaged myself. Yes.

Kelli (08:57.165)
I definitely just pulled something.

Wendy (08:59.885)
I know, right? It's so true. It's so true. so after they're done doing the class, of course they sit down and talk and Heather tells Tamara and Jen about her conversation with Shannon about having to pick up her social media and TikTok and Tamara's like, you know, she sees a difference in Heather's social media and she's like, What are you talking about? She's like, Well, I feel like you always leave me out of your TikToks and she's like, What? She's like, When we were in Vegas and then we did a TikTok together, you never posted it. wait, what?

Kelli (09:28.887)
So stupid.

Wendy (09:29.261)
I mean wha what were you talking about six months ago? I mean what are you talking about?

Lori (09:31.883)
Yeah. And then she says, you want to be friends, but you don't want anybody to know about it.

Kelli (09:38.681)
So we're gonna have a whole season of Tamara and Heather questioning their friendship. Again. Again.

Wendy (09:46.81)
Yeah. I know, yeah, I know. I mean Tamara admits she's like, you know, maybe it's, you know, more it's more like what's inside my head, like, you know. She's like, I do care about our friendship. And and then Jen said, you know, like how close are you guys? I you know, I feel like as a friend and a friend group, I'm confused about your relationship. So again, Jen is questioning Heather and Tamara's relationship together while they're all there together. I'm like, why why are we doing this?

Kelli (10:16.911)
So this is what I think. I think Tamra is behind that and I think Tamra is setting Jen up.

Wendy (10:16.921)
Like, what is the point?

Wendy (10:26.037)
okay.

Kelli (10:26.651)
Or or what Heather has said for years, like she's scared of Tamara and she doesn't ever want to be on Tamara's bad side, is she kind of manifested it for herself and now she is on Tamara's bad side. So again, Tamara's putting Jen up to this. Maybe not putting her up to it, but manipulating the situation so Jen does keep questioning things, which is gonna give Tamya f Tamra fuel to go after Heather.

Either way, Tamara's behind it is what I think.

Wendy (10:58.351)
I mean I think you're right because it doesn't really make any sense. Like why does Jen care? I don't think she gives a shit. She doesn't care, but you know, after last season she doesn't have Gretchen, she doesn't have

Kelli (11:02.029)
Why would Jen care? Right.

Wendy (11:12.185)
What's her name? Katie. I mean, she doesn't have Katie. She doesn't have Gretchen. You know, Tamara was the one that brought her on. They, you know, they hadn't been close ever since she's been on. So she's got to find she's gotta find a place in this group, right? So if T so if Tamara's gonna be the one that's gonna bring her in, then she's gonna have to do that because she needs the job. Right?

Kelli (11:14.156)
Katie. Ooh, I forgot about her too, yeah.

Kelli (11:27.043)
Yep, you're absolutely right.

Wendy (11:38.489)
then we see Emily is doing Annabelle's hair for cheering and she's talking about cheering hair. I I agree, cheer hair is a very specific hair. It's it's gotta be it's gotta be big and it's gotta be spray tight.

Kelli (11:51.897)
I gotta be honest with you, I was surprised that she was doing that. I thought the kind of cheer her daughter does, the people I know whose daughters have done that, they put hair pieces in. Like I was surprised it was her actual hair that she was styling. I thought you pulled the hair up in a ponytail bun and then put a hair piece on top. So yeah, that's a crazy thing to have to do before every competition.

Wendy (12:18.051)
Yeah, it sure is. then we see Jen is having a conversation with Grayson again. What he's doing tonight, we find out he works at the In and Out Drive Thru. she asks if he's putting away his paycheck because when that ticket comes in, she's gonna be calling for some money. And she's noticed that he's been slowing down on his life three sixty. So that's good.

Lori (12:45.229)
That's good.

Kelli (12:46.671)
Very good.

Wendy (12:48.057)
Then we see Sophie FaceTimes with Shannon and she asks where she's at and she's on her rooftop. I'm not I I think she's the one that's in Paris, right? Is Sophie in Paris? she's the one in New York. Okay. I should have known that. Okay. And the other one's in Paris, right?

Kelli (12:56.781)
No, she's in New York.

The oldest one's in New York. Yeah.

Yeah. And I don't know where the third one is. I think two of them are in Europe.

Wendy (13:06.712)
So Shanna's like

Lori (13:10.741)
I thought the other one was kind of close, sort of kind of close by. Cause remember Tamara was at the apartment where she had the weird picture of the girl on the wall. okay. So that's, okay. Different one. Okay. Okay. I'm getting confused. Okay.

Kelli (13:20.675)
Well, that's Tamra's daughter, Sophia. This is Shannon's daughter, Sophia. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (13:24.821)
Shannon's yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah. So Shannon's like it's nice to have a mom that helps you out with your rent and Sophie cheers to that. So I'm I'm glad that Shannon's helping out because honestly, I would be very surprised if if their dad is helping them out.

Kelli (13:43.171)
Well, I'm glad that Shannon can help her out because Tamra's always saying she's broke and has no money. So I'm so you know, there's to you, Tamra, because Shannon's obviously doing well enough to help her daughter afford a New York City apartment with a rooftop deck or whatever. That's not cheap. That's very, very, very expensive.

Wendy (13:51.715)
Yeah, I agree. Yeah.

Wendy (14:01.611)
Yes. Yes. No, it's n yes. I mean we saw how excited Amanda was with her little section. That was not a rooftop tech. That was a doormat size. Amazing outdoor space, she called it. I'm like, wait, what?

Lori (14:01.781)
Yeah, no joke, right. No.

Very expensive,

Lori (14:16.097)
Yes.

Kelli (14:16.399)
She's this is amazing. I'm like, I think that's the size of my closet.

Yeah.

Lori (14:22.541)
I mean, but it could have been a lot of apartments in the city have like a shared rooftop. You know, like a rooftop that, yeah, right, right.

Kelli (14:28.429)
Yes. yeah. I'm sure she's got a shared roof. I'm sure Sophia's is shared. I'm sure that's not her personal space. That'd be Absolutely. My my niece is about to do that.

Wendy (14:28.941)
Saying it was her private rooftop. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Lori (14:33.899)
Yeah. But it's still expensive no matter how you slice it.

Wendy (14:41.317)
So then we see Vicky goes out with her son Michael. When we haven't seen Michael in quite some time, he lives in Spain.

Kelli (14:47.671)
I can't believe he said he has not seen his sister in eight years.

Lori (14:51.371)
I know, I wrote that down, like wow. That's a long time.

Kelli (14:54.509)
That's crazy. Cause they are close. Like I know he said he faced all the time, but like seriously, you guys don't all go to Vicky's house for Christmas? What the hell are you doing?

Wendy (14:59.235)
He says he talks to her. Yeah.

Lori (15:05.835)
Yeah, that's crazy.

Wendy (15:06.531)
Yeah, I think that's a little odd. Or even meet up in, you know, Port of Vallarta, right?

Kelli (15:10.413)
Or or or go to Oklahoma for Christmas. Like if Br you know, if Brianna wants to be home with her kids for Christmas, you guys go to her. I'm sure she's got a beautiful I I don't know. I thought that was wild.

Lori (15:11.405)
Right.

Lori (15:19.853)
Yeah, I thought that was pretty wild too.

Wendy (15:20.227)
I know 'cause he said he hasn't even met two of her children yet. I I know, I know.

Kelli (15:24.74)
Yeah.

Lori (15:25.715)
That's no good.

Wendy (15:29.911)
He looks good though. I mean he looks good. She says he's she said he's doing great. he he re he is

Kelli (15:31.831)
It looks amazing.

Kelli (15:36.067)
Did she say he was forty years old?

Lori (15:37.965)
Yeah.

Wendy (15:39.396)
Yeah.

Kelli (15:40.431)
He does not look forty years old.

Wendy (15:43.481)
Yeah, I mean he's living his best life in Spain. I wonder what brought him to Spain. I feel Ye yeah. Yeah.

Lori (15:44.001)
Well, he's single.

Kelli (15:48.495)
Good point. Good point. And they're definitely using filters on this show.

Lori (15:49.198)
Single living in Spain. He best look good

Wendy (15:53.808)
She's she said he runs her life insurance business, so good for him. I thought the question about Vicky asking if we should freeze your sperm was a little bit odd.

Lori (16:01.473)
Yeah, I mean.

Lori (16:08.363)
Yeah. just like, OK.

Kelli (16:09.613)
It just reminded me of that conversation that Craig and Paige had when she was like, I'm gonna freeze my eggs and he was like, Well, should I freeze my stuff too? And she was like, What?

Wendy (16:16.343)
I know exactly no no that's really not necessary.

Lori (16:19.405)
Thank

Kelli (16:23.247)
so funny.

Lori (16:23.661)
just saw that, speaking of him, just saw that social media post, I guess he has that wedding venue. I think cousin Jean is going send it to us. He's looking a little rough.

Kelli (16:32.964)
Yeah.

Kelli (16:39.385)
Craig?

Lori (16:40.181)
Yeah, I thought so. was like, ooh. I mean, I haven't watched that show in quite a long time, so I haven't seen him. Or maybe he was just like scruffy, like not shaved, but I was just like, ooh.

Kelli (16:47.63)
Right.

Kelli (16:52.346)
I gotta watch it again the clip. 'Cause I j I think he's very handsome.

Lori (16:53.793)
Yeah, I was just like, ooh.

He is handsome, but I was just like, maybe like I said, it's because I haven't seen him in a long time. And I'm only mentioning it because I am just the picture of beauty myself. Especially today. Yeah. So, but I don't know. Maybe it's because I haven't seen him in a long time, but I was just like,

Kelli (17:05.764)
Ha ha.

Especially today.

Wendy (17:21.635)
And then I you know, Vicky goes from, you know, like she said what did she say? You how do you get to be forty and then forty years from now, like you'll be eighty and I'll be dead? Okay, Vicki, like she's always going there.

Kelli (17:33.773)
Yeah, she she really focuses on the on death a lot, man. She really does. Jeez Louise.

Wendy (17:43.354)
And then again in her confessional, Vicky mentions I've put this down on episode four. This is now episode four. And this is the second time that she's mentioned about regretting getting divorced from Don. I mean, there's only that's fifty percent of the episodes. She is

Kelli (17:58.606)
I know.

Lori (17:59.704)
She really seemed very, very sincere about that too. And I wanted to ask you guys, was it her gig to leave? Like, did he not want her to go? And what happened with that? Okay.

Wendy (18:09.475)
Yes no

Kelli (18:10.553)
So Don was her second husband. She divorced her first husband, her children's father. Don was her second husband, helped her raise her children because they moved out to California and her ex stay she's from Ohio, right? Her ex stayed in Ohio. So Don, I mean, her kids saw their father, but Don helped her raise their kids. And I don't I forget what season it was, maybe season five. So Vicky started the show in 2006.

Wendy (18:14.073)
Yes.

Wendy (18:27.129)
I don't remember.

Lori (18:28.927)
Okay.

Kelli (18:40.847)
And it was I think it was the fifth

Wendy (18:42.191)
It was a sea v season after she did her vow renewal.

Kelli (18:46.167)
Yeah. She this guy, Brooks, who was also in the insurance industry, sought her out and started love bombing her. And she and Don weren't in a great place in their marriage, even though they just renewed their wedding vows. and this guy, Brooks, knew exactly what he was doing. He was a Louie. He was the original Louie. He was love bombing her, saying and doing all the right things. And she left Don for

Lori (18:48.365)
It's always the kiss of death.

Lori (19:07.757)
Ahhhh! This is the original movie.

Kelli (19:15.567)
Brooks and he was a total crook. He was a t he faked cancer. He is horrible.

Lori (19:18.679)
He was a tool.

Lori (19:26.157)
you

Wendy (19:26.169)
He fakes cancer. Can you imagine that? Who does that? Like that is the lowest of low.

Lori (19:28.627)
No. Yeah, you gotta be a real douche.

Kelli (19:34.061)
Yep. He is a crook. He's a bum. And she left Don Gumvelson for him. But he stayed close with her kids. Well at least Brianna, he sees the grandchildren and stuff. Like he's e they consider him their grandpa too.

Wendy (19:36.985)
Yeah.

Wendy (19:47.545)
Yes.

Yes. And you know, she's got this great guy, Mike, right? And even Shannon said it on Watch What Happens Live, like he's a great guy and they're great together. But if you keep saying that, you know, you screw like he's not gonna be there. Like Vicky, like dial it back a little bit.

Lori (19:51.373)
Well.

Kelli (19:56.367)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (20:11.318)
Right.

Kelli (20:11.839)
I feel like I feel like she and Mike are fine, but I do feel like she's using this platform now to kind of publicly apologize to Don for what she did to him publicly back then. And I'm okay with it. Yeah. If this is what she's gotta do, do it. Because you do owe him a public apology because you did fuck him over publicly. So I'm here for it. Yeah.

Wendy (20:13.925)
That's fun.

Wendy (20:27.513)
Mm. Yeah.

Lori (20:27.581)
they may.

Lori (20:36.897)
Right.

Wendy (20:37.091)
Yeah, no, she d she did. She did. So the next thing we see is Jan Tammer and Carmella meet up for drinks and Carmela's telling them that she went with Shannon and Emily to this cowgirl workout, sex workout. I'm so glad we didn't get to see that. Like I'm glad that they

Lori (20:52.745)
Yeah, that's yeah. No, I'm good. I am good

Wendy (20:56.035)
I mean the the little clip exactly. Exactly. she said it got out of control. It looked like it got out of control. Glad we didn't have to see that. She said s yes, yes, it was odd.

Kelli (20:56.107)
That little clip was just enough.

Lori (20:59.819)
yeah.

Kelli (21:08.751)
I mean a and they were like on each other.

Lori (21:11.457)
Yeah, it was weird. was like, okay.

Wendy (21:17.219)
So Carmela says, so I haven't seen Emily since her birthday party and the whole gift situation. Emily thanks her for it, but she's like she thought it was very generous. But she said, I will tell you that, you know, Gina has been very vocal about it. Okay.

Lori (21:33.238)
Yeah, why you throwing your girl into the bus? But I guess, right. But I guess, mean, Gina is talking about it on TV show. So there's just kind of that, but I don't know. And Tamara said it is an expensive gift to give somebody that you don't really know. But, and then there was that whole thing where, the scene where, Carmella is talking about her rent.

Kelli (21:35.449)
Why is Emily doing this?

Wendy (21:41.433)
She wanted yeah.

Lori (22:01.261)
You know, I guess she was talking to Tamara, right? Shannon, yeah. Saying about how her rent is $35,000 a month. But I think she wasn't saying it as a flex. I always think she was just saying it like, you know, like today I got a sandwich. It was $15. That's fucked up. I bought it because I had the $15, but I still complained about it. Right. But I feel like it was kind of the same thing. She was just like,

Wendy (22:01.433)
Mm.

No Shannon, Shannon.

Kelli (22:05.327)
And yeah.

Wendy (22:13.221)
Mm.

Fact. Right. Right.

Right. And I wanted the sandwich. Right.

Lori (22:29.985)
You know, I can't believe it's that much.

Wendy (22:30.733)
It it absolut I agree with you, it absolutely was not a flex. It was not a flex.

Lori (22:34.582)
Yeah.

Kelli (22:34.701)
And I'm sorry, but we have episode after episode after episode after season after season after season her Terry DuBrow and Heather DuBrot talk about how much their real estate costs, how much they've made on it, how much they've spent on it, how much their parties cost. over and over and over again. So for her to say her rent is thirty five thousand dollars, okay. It's one thing she said.

Lori (22:52.909)
Well, we just had that party. That party was $75,000. Right.

Wendy (22:53.017)
Yes. Seventy five thousand. Right.

Wendy (23:05.069)
No, I I agree with you.

Kelli (23:05.89)
So let's not all get you know, get it twisted.

Lori (23:09.655)
twisted,

Wendy (23:11.205)
So Jen is trying to, you know, say, you know, Carmelo said to accuse me of having ulterior motives. Like that's gross. And Jen's like, listen, you have to understand that Emily and Gina are best friends, so she's, you know, a little bit territorial over Emily. And Car Carmelo said, Listen, that is a bold accusation when you don't even know the person. Like and Jen said, Well, do you buy buy all your friends gifts like that? And she said, Listen, there's a group of us, like there's a tight circle group of us, and we all chip in together and we always buy a luxury item.

So yes it is. It sounds like that's what they do. And I think that's great. And I would like to join that circle, please. Count.

Kelli (23:41.759)
Right. Right.

I would Are you taking applications for new members?

Lori (23:46.977)
Yes, I can't reciprocate.

Wendy (23:49.606)
We'll join together. We'll join together. The three of us will be one. Yeah. Okay? That's what I would like to do.

Lori (23:51.403)
Right. I cannot reciprocate.

and we'll put in for the thing, whatever. Yeah, okay. Yeah.

Kelli (23:58.34)
Yes.

She's selling a hundred million dollars worth of real estate over ten years. I'm pretty sure she can afford the three thousand dollar clutch that she gave Emily. Right.

Wendy (24:05.55)
Yes.

Lori (24:09.344)
as a gift,

Wendy (24:10.563)
And she's married to an ex NFL player. Like it all adds up. It really does.

Kelli (24:13.292)
Exactly.

Yes, yes.

Wendy (24:19.129)
And and she says in her her confessional, she's never and I I believe this, like she's never had so much criticism over her personal finances before. Because why would you? Like people are not normally talking about other people's personal finances. That is not a normal conversation.

Kelli (24:34.073)
Well, not when you're on the Housewives and we're supposed to be watching women of you know, that come from a certain amount of wealth. That's what we're supposed to be watching. The show has changed tremendously over the years, but if we can listen to Heather talk about her bullshit nonsense, we can we can listen to Carmella.

Wendy (24:48.175)
Right.

Lori (24:52.619)
Right. We can handle a $3,000.

Wendy (24:57.603)
Yeah, so Tamr Tamara asks her if she if she still does sales in San Diego. she said like she goes all the way up the coast, she takes like select clients and she does one project at a time. And Tamara said, can you explain that to me? 'Cause like I'm a little bit confused. Which I was glad she said that. Like if you don't understand what she's saying, ask her to explain it to you instead of what Vicky did.

Kelli (25:18.265)
Well was it was a nice way of Tamara to do it. Yeah, exactly. And Tamra it does do real estate, so it was a nice way for her to be like, Why don't you take take a moment now to explain?

Wendy (25:21.921)
Which we'll get to.

Right. No, I

Wendy (25:31.214)
Yeah, no, I I agree. So she said, you know, is it like like I'm confused. You say project, is that like flipping essentially? But I don't like to call it a flip. She's like it's a certain level of finesse, like to go into the luxury space. So she works with very high end clients and you know, we see that she is meeting with this guy who

has this house that he wants to list and he's done all this work in it and I would imagine she's the one who kind of directed him to do this work in it. And they're gonna list it for I think he wanted to list it for 1.4 and then she talks him into eight point four. Exactly. 8.4. So she works for the Oppenheim group. Like she's legit. Like this is not some like fly by night right. Like

Kelli (26:12.151)
Eight point four.

Lori (26:21.997)
Fly by night, yeah.

Wendy (26:24.673)
Let's let's be real about this, right?

But these ladies are not gonna let her have it. They're not gonna let her have it. They're just not.

Kelli (26:34.125)
Now I haven't watched Selling Sunset in quite a few seasons. Was she ever on that show?

Lori (26:34.401)
and

Wendy (26:40.557)
She wasn't she was not, but there was a spin off selling O C. I so she was not on that, but it didn't last long. And honestly, selling Sunset is horrible. Like she prob I would imagine she pro I would imagine she probably auditioned for that. I would imagine that she would. Like why wouldn't she?

Kelli (26:41.976)
Okay.

Yeah, that's what I that's why I'm curious.

Kelli (26:53.239)
It's so bad.

Kelli (26:59.233)
I totally agree. I totally agree. Yeah, I knew yeah, I knew the that's what I was questioning if she was on the spin off 'cause I knew it was in the O. C.

Wendy (27:12.143)
So she explains when she when her and her her ex got divorced, like they had this house that they were building together and sh you know, they wound up getting divorced. She wound up finishing it up and she wound up selling it and she made a h well, she made a h one point four million. One point one my my my t so she made one point one million on her first

Lori (27:31.191)
I think it was 1.1. Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (27:39.331)
house sale. So that's what really got her into this, you know, passion for it, which gr I mean

Lori (27:42.912)
Right.

Kelli (27:43.983)
So so let's let's do the math. Say she does that does one a year. Over the past ten years that means she made ten million dollars. So for her to spend three thousand dollars on a clutch for a friend's birthday

Wendy (27:50.703)
Right.

Lori (28:01.557)
Right. And that's just the money she that she made for herself for not counting on, you know, all the other bag that's left over from.

Wendy (28:02.948)
Not a big deal.

Kelli (28:03.15)
Really isn't

Kelli (28:10.947)
Right. And and again, thirty grand, thirty five grand a month, you know, times twelve, what are we talking about? Like roughly between four and five hundred thousand dollars, right? Like four we'll we'll just average four hundred thousand dollars. Think about how the percentage your mortgage is of your income.

Wendy (28:22.969)
Yeah.

Lori (28:31.383)
Right. It's not that, it's not that crazy. Right. Yeah.

Wendy (28:33.923)
Right. No, it's no, but

Kelli (28:34.851)
I mean it's a little high, but you're making a million dollars a year. Like, okay.

Wendy (28:40.388)
Yeah.

And that's just in s like like she said, I'm sure she's got other things going on. Right? I'm sure she's gonna

Kelli (28:48.471)
Absolutely. That's that's one property a year. I'm sure she's doing more than that, or like you guys said, something else.

Lori (28:53.729)
That one, right.

Wendy (28:56.655)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (28:57.943)
But Vicky is being so bitchy about Carmel. It's like, you're horrible.

Kelli (29:01.241)
She's horrible to the new people. She's horrible.

Wendy (29:01.361)
my gosh. That

Wendy (29:07.417)
Yeah. So yeah, that's when she goes I I skipped so that she goes to Jack's house. That house is eighty six hundred square feet. It has six bedrooms. he did a a renovation, a complete renovation down to the studs. And I think, like I said, I think she was working with him on that. It's not like, you know, he just she just showed up there. He said that he wanted to l he wanted to put it out there for nine point four or nine point.

Lori (29:31.531)
Right.

Wendy (29:36.954)
three and and get nine minimum. And she said, All right, well, why don't we do this? Why don't we put it out for eight point nine nine? And then we have a bidding war. And then you'll get a couple hundred, two, three hundred thousand dollars over, which is absolutely like that makes sense to me. Right. And it seems like she knows what she's doing. And he's like, yeah, let's do it. Like, let's do it.

Lori (29:53.335)
Right.

Kelli (29:53.43)
Absolutely. Yep.

Kelli (30:00.419)
You know, it's funny that Vicky is being so hard on her because I love the scenes w like I love that scene with she and that client. and it's very early Vicky, like season one, running her insurance company out of her house. Like it's very reminiscent of early OC Vicky. So it's just interesting that Vicki's giving her such a hard time. Yeah.

Wendy (30:08.259)
Yeah, I do too.

Lori (30:08.461)
yeah, that's great.

Wendy (30:17.359)
Yeah.

Lori (30:22.241)
Right. That she should have a problem with it. Yeah.

Wendy (30:26.841)
I mean when sh when at the end when she calls her administrative assistant, I literally almost fell over. I was like, You've gotta be kidding me.

Kelli (30:30.683)
I mean, me too. I mean, and listen, I've been an administrative assistant, so there's no shade there. There's nothing wrong with it. But clearly this woman is not an administrative assistant. And when she calls herself a developer, I believe that's her finding the property, like, you know, getting the client, gaining representation, and then finding the property and helping that person, you know, the contractor, whatever develop.

Lori (30:31.915)
Yeah, I was like,

Wendy (30:37.935)
There's nothing wrong with that, but come on.

Lori (30:51.074)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (30:57.517)
helping that person develop that property and then put it on the market and sell it. Absolutely.

Wendy (30:59.897)
Develop it.

Kelli (31:01.11)
Exactly.

And of course you need a real estate license to do all of that.

Wendy (31:04.643)
Yes.

Lori (31:07.605)
Right. And that is...

Wendy (31:07.929)
And she's not only a a a realtor, she's also a broker. Which means she doesn't have to be underneath the op underneath an the Oppenheim group. It means she can do it herself. So come on, like Vicky, come on. And honestly, that's

Kelli (31:13.839)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (31:19.309)
Right. Right.

Lori (31:24.737)
Yeah. And there's a big, there's a difference.

Kelli (31:25.689)
Just if this is all because she's been in Playboy. This is all because she's been in Playboy. It is one hundred percent.

Lori (31:30.069)
Right, I guess that's the deal. But there is a big difference between just a real estate agent, just a flipper, and a real estate agent that does flipping and sales. There's a big difference. That's a totally different skill set to be able to develop a property for sale. It is a whole different skill set than just selling in real estate or just flipping.

Kelli (31:49.111)
Yeah. Yes.

Lori (31:58.977)
It's a whole different.

Kelli (31:59.299)
Right. Yeah, no, you're right. It's a niche. It's an it's a niche. It's a niche.

Lori (32:02.665)
It's a yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (32:04.675)
Yes, I totally agree. And I give her all the credit that she deserves because I think she's I think she's a boss bitch. That's my opinion. next we see Vicky, Tamar, and Heather and Shannon are gonna go out whale watching. Vicki puts this together because she feels like that Shannon and Tamar need some time together, for bonding.

Kelli (32:09.281)
Absolutely.

Wendy (32:29.431)
Okay. All right. I think that that's true. They do they do need time together. I it's like okay, it's just like so staged. We will, we will.

Kelli (32:35.383)
I love your reaction. All right. We'll suffer through this scene if we have to. It's so staged and the whole, ooh, like Vicky pulling Shannon down the end of the bench. Like, stop. Stop with that shtick.

Wendy (32:49.891)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (32:51.245)
And don't wear heels on a boat. don't know. I don't know why. I don't understand.

Kelli (32:53.657)
my god, those stupid shoes.

Wendy (32:54.109)
my gosh.

I mean, Heather's did you see her hers were rubber though? Okay. I know, but they were heels. So they get to see a c

Lori (33:00.737)
Yeah, okay.

Kelli (33:00.983)
I know, but they were still Louis.

Lori (33:04.223)
I'd say. Yeah, stop it on a boat.

Kelli (33:07.181)
I wish somebody would have said even Louis Vuitton makes mistakes sometimes.

Lori (33:11.202)
Yes.

Wendy (33:11.577)
That's a Luann. That was a Luann comment, right? So they did get to see some whales and some dolphins. And Tamra says that she was very happy that Shannon texted her to see if she needed any help for setting up the party for Vicky. Because she felt like that's progress. And honestly, I think that was Shannon making a step towards moving forward. I think that, you know, I think she was doing the right thing.

Lori (33:14.455)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (33:41.839)
Ca Heather asked if Carmela's coming to the party. Shannon said, Well I w I went shopping with her and she said that she was the playmate of the year and Vicky said, like I'm impressed with that. And ha even Heather's like, Don't say that. Like that's impressive.

Kelli (33:56.215)
It's very impressive. Listen, you can have your own faith and your own belief, but this that woman is you know, that's not I I don't know. I I give her a lot of credit. I think that's an I think that's an amazing accomplishment.

Wendy (34:14.085)
Yeah.

Lori (34:15.467)
But listen, that kind of thing takes a lot of balls.

Kelli (34:21.977)
For sure.

Lori (34:23.021)
It takes a lot of balls. So you go ahead with your bad self. You know what mean? If that's your gig and you're comfortable with that, God bless you. God.

Kelli (34:25.727)
Absolutely. Yeah.

Wendy (34:25.859)
And an amazing body. And an amazing body. Right.

Kelli (34:31.04)
Absolutely.

Wendy (34:37.487)
So Heather says

Kelli (34:37.581)
Listen, all now knowing what some of those poor women had to go through, like horrible.

Lori (34:42.145)
Mm-hmm. Horrible.

Wendy (34:46.905)
Heather tells her not to say that and Vicki's like, Don't tell me not to say that and Heather's like, But you're saying it in a derogatory way And Vicki's not getting it. She's still not getting it. yeah. Yeah. That's what it is.

Lori (34:54.878)
No.

Kelli (34:56.025)
She doesn't care. That's the problem. She doesn't care that it's offensive, it's insulting, it's insensitive, it's ignorant, it's all those things. And Vicky just doesn't care.

Wendy (35:02.659)
No, she

Lori (35:05.409)
Right. Doesn't care.

Wendy (35:08.355)
And this honestly is what is gonna get Vicky cancelled.

Kelli (35:12.655)
Course it is.

Wendy (35:14.115)
It's what's gonna get her cancelled. Like sh

Lori (35:15.319)
Well, she's only on for this last hurrah anyway, right?

Wendy (35:19.16)
Yeah.

Kelli (35:19.393)
I think so. I don't think she's coming back. If they're if if any if any of the O C's coming back.

Lori (35:21.569)
Yeah, the big 20th, blah, blah, blah. Yeah.

Wendy (35:25.539)
Yeah. So the next the next thing we see it's the day of the Tamar's Portavallta party. Shannon shows up with her big giant box of decorations. Like she takes this very seriously. I mean, I think she like did she have those already or did she call up Amazon that day? Like that was a lot of decorations she showed up with. Like

Kelli (35:46.529)
Maybe between the boat ride. Yes, for sure. Yes. Between the boat ride and the party day. Yeah, we just go in your basement. We can go in Wendy's basement and get whatever food we want. And we can go in your basement and get whatever decoration. Yes or alcohol, yeah.

Lori (35:46.721)
That'd be something like I would do.

Wendy (35:48.908)
y yes, yes, definitely Lori. You need Porto Valletta decorations? I got Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (35:57.944)
Yeah, there you go.

Lori (36:01.813)
Yeah. But Wendy does have good decorations for like, especially holidays. Like Wendy's got a cover for the holidays. She always, she rocks it for the holidays. Yeah.

Wendy (36:02.019)
Or alcohol.

Kelli (36:08.707)
That's true. That is true. Yes.

Wendy (36:08.835)
I do have I do have a lot of decorations for holidays down here as well.

Kelli (36:13.635)
Yes.

Wendy (36:14.973)
so you know, Tamara's all excited that Shannon's there to help her and they're getting set up and t you know, Shannon looks over, she's like, What like what are all these boxes on the table? And she's like, we're gonna be playing a game and Shannon's like, my gosh, like this never goes well. And it really doesn't ever go well. No. It doesn't.

Lori (36:32.599)
Games are never well. No, never gets well.

Wendy (36:40.577)
So they all get there. Vicky's like the last one to show up. She gets out of the car and she says to the driver, I'm gonna borrow your hand because I I have a bum knee. But meanwhile she is literally wearing a five inch five inch platform shoes. I'm like, What are you doing? What are you doing?

Lori (36:50.635)
in those heels!

Lori (36:55.469)
I'm like, what are you doing? Yep. I know.

Kelli (36:57.731)
I mean that was ridiculous. They were block heels, which is a little bit better, but no. She should have been in comfortable sneakers.

Lori (37:01.269)
Yeah, to a house party? Right. Right, but to a house party, where are you going? Absolutely. She'll be wearing a hocus and move on.

Wendy (37:05.966)
No.

Kelli (37:11.016)
Yes, she should have been wearing her hochas.

Wendy (37:17.039)
So the ladies get they go outside and they get their food and Shannon asks, Where is Carmela? and Gina says, I think she's in Santa Fe with her family and Shannon's like, New Mexico? She's like, No, s Rancho Santa Fe and and Vicky's like, that's right, she doesn't live here and she goes off with that.

Kelli (37:32.611)
Yes. She just yeah, what did she say? I should have written it down.

Lori (37:33.473)
Dig, dig, dig.

Wendy (37:37.091)
She just rents a place. I wrote it down. She just rents a place to pseudo live here. To pseudo live here.

Lori (37:39.437)
If she just rents a place here.

Kelli (37:41.583)
Pseudo to sudo live here. Basically she's saying she's renting a place to be on the show.

Lori (37:47.425)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Wendy (37:48.815)
Heather says she does. She said she works for the Oppenheim group. Vicki said, you told me Carmen.

Kelli (37:54.007)
And by the way, Heather's doing the same fucking thing.

Wendy (37:57.572)
Yes, yes, she is. Well, she doesn't even have a place anymore. She comes from LA. She doesn't even have a place she's renting. She doesn't live here anymore. So Vicky said, You told me Carmella doesn't sell real estate and Gina s Gina said, Mike is a developer. He buys the land and builds the property. Vicki said that. Vicki saying that her Mike is a developer. Yes, he's he buys the land and he builds the property. She's like, She's an administrative system at the front desk. I was like

Kelli (38:00.683)
Exactly. She doesn't live here either.

Kelli (38:19.576)
About her mate.

Wendy (38:28.453)
No. Wait, I

Kelli (38:30.233)
Horrible.

Lori (38:31.578)
my God. You know what? It's just very, it's ignorant because it shows that you don't know, you can't understand what the woman does for a living.

Kelli (38:41.859)
And you know what else it shows? How insecure you are.

Wendy (38:45.455)
That's it. That's it. That's it. Yeah.

Lori (38:45.485)
Yeah.

Kelli (38:49.039)
She's younger, she's prettier, and now I'm starting to think she's richer. So

Lori (38:51.467)
Right.

Right.

Wendy (38:56.207)
yeah, I think she is. So meanwhile meanwhile outside Emily's with Tamara and Jen, and Emily said that Heather thinks to Jen that you're obsessed with Tamara and her relationship. Okay.

Kelli (38:57.977)
That's all it takes to piss Vicky off.

Lori (39:11.575)
So I want to ask you question. Does Jen always bring up Tamara? To Heather? Is this correct or no?

Kelli (39:19.471)
We're just seeing this this season. This is the first season we're seeing this behavior with Jen. But again, personally, I think Tamra's behind it.

Wendy (39:21.497)
This is the first season. This is the first season.

Wendy (39:30.543)
Yeah.

Lori (39:30.622)
Or I wrote down, or is Heather just dodgy about how she feels about Tamra and Jen's trying to pin her down on it?

Kelli (39:39.393)
It could be that. It could be that. But when the first season Jen came on the show, supposedly Tamara brought her on as a friend, but Tamra was I mean, Tamara's a horrible person anyway, but she was so bad that season and she was accusing Jen of being obsessed with her. Like saying that Jen was going to the same gym as her, the same hair salon, the same yoga studio. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Lori (39:40.685)
You know what mean? So I don't know.

Wendy (39:41.541)
I mean yes it

Lori (40:01.398)
with hair extensions and all that stupid shit.

Kelli (40:05.241)
So the fact that Heather now said she's obsessed with Tamra is like triggering to Jen because she's like, What the hell? Like ch this is what Tamra was accusing me of two years ago.

Lori (40:12.023)
Right, right.

Right. I mean, I don't think it can be a mistake that Heather used that wordage.

Kelli (40:20.683)
Of course not. That was purposeful. Yeah.

Wendy (40:25.221)
So Tamar says we still have a game to play. And Heather said, Well, this never ends well, especially for me. So she starts out by telling, she said, I recently found out that I was I was being put in a box, so now we're having an unboxing party. So everyone's like, We like we know what that's about. So Heather says, It it feels personal. Each player receives a box, we decorate it, and after we decorate it, we anonymously put

In the box, a piece of paper, how we feel about each person. And Tamar says we have to be honest. Once all the boxes are done.

Lori (41:00.71)
They said, game should have been called. you,

Wendy (41:04.995)
Yeah.

Kelli (41:09.199)
Mm.

Wendy (41:10.353)
Once all the boxes are done, they go outside, they sit around the fire, and Tamar says, Okay, I'll go first. And the first thing she pulls out, it says Egg shells. And Shannon raises her hand. She's like, That was me. I I thought this was supposed to be anonymous, first of all.

Kelli (41:26.659)
Now that was the next thing I was gonna say. Wasn't this game supposed to be anonymous?

Lori (41:31.593)
No, I guess not.

Wendy (41:32.173)
Yeah. Everyone is admitting to what they said. There was nothing anonymous about this game. This was not an anonymous game.

Kelli (41:36.601)
So stupid. I would have sat there with my mouth shut.

Lori (41:40.983)
Yeah

Wendy (41:41.337)
Ha ha

Kelli (41:43.383)
Like I d I don't know. I would have been like, Was it you? Was it you?

Lori (41:44.971)
Yeah, must have been everybody else, not me.

Wendy (41:49.478)
I know. And then Tamra says, Okay, the next one is The Friend That I Love Too and Heather finishes it deeply. Do you need me to read it to you? So we know that one was from Heather.

Kelli (42:00.313)
Condescending. Family fa fancy pants.

Wendy (42:04.045)
Yeah. let's see. Next one next one is unsure but hopeful. Tamara said she takes everything that everyone has said about her and she doesn't disagree with anybody. Well, that is the first time ever in the twenty years of the OC, I know she wasn't on all twenty of them, that Tamara has ever I know, but is the first time she has ever

Kelli (42:24.963)
No, she was not. She didn't come on until season three and then got fired for a couple of seasons.

Wendy (42:33.509)
Taken criticism and not disagreed with them. Ever. She's never done that, ever.

Kelli (42:39.769)
While when people are calling for you to be fired because you're such a horrible person.

Wendy (42:43.333)
Ha ha ha.

Lori (42:45.003)
Such an asshole, maybe you change your tune.

Kelli (42:47.829)
Exactly. Kinda like what we're seeing with Janet on the valley all of a sudden.

Wendy (42:54.959)
So Gina goes next, and the first one she pulls out is boss, babe, survivor, role model, my friend that I laugh with and I love, even when we disagree. I know it's always gonna be worked out. We don't like, we don't go through every single one of them. Emily says the analyzer, but it said anal lizer. That was Gina's spelling it wrong.

Kelli (43:18.233)
Yeah.

Lori (43:18.733)
That's great.

Kelli (43:23.579)
yeah.

Wendy (43:25.185)
Love that. one of them was hard on the outs hard on the outside, soft in the middle, and the interrogator. Vickies were the hustler, boss, babe, ready to whoop it up. Don't fall asleep. She's like, if you're boring, you're gonna be you're gonna s what did she say? The neck Vicky looks at it and she says, like, what? No, I'm not saying it because it's stupid. I'm not saying it. Emily raises her hand, she's like, that that was me.

Vicky says, I'm not a Debbie Downer. I'm a positive bitch.

Kelli (43:57.005)
You're not she's not a Debbie Downer, she's a fucking hater is what she is.

Wendy (44:00.229)
I'm a positive bitch. She goes saying

Kelli (44:03.733)
my god. Like a right after she just trash talked Carmella. I'm a positive bitch. Vicky is the epitome of zero self awareness. And I'm glad she's I'm glad they brought her back for season twenty, but I really don't like the way she's I don't like the way she's moving and I really don't like the way Emily's moving.

Wendy (44:08.538)
Yeah.

Wendy (44:16.879)
She really is.

I am too. No, I am too.

Wendy (44:26.403)
No, I'm glad they brought her back. I agree with you. Emily said, I feel like every time I'm around you, like that's how you are. Vicki said, Well, that was rude. Emily said, Well, the point of this was to be honest and like this is how I feel. I'm not trying like I'm not trying to get, you know, hard. Emily said, it's just saying I miss the fun Vicky.

And she said, All right, I'll come back.

Kelli (44:52.205)
When this is what I wanna know. When did Emily see the fun Vicky? Because Vicky has always been horrible to Emily, I thought.

Wendy (45:02.327)
I know I thought so too. I totally agree with you. I totally agree with you. So, Shannon was on Watch What Happens live, and according to Shannon, like the Debbie Downer is something that's gonna continue to come up throughout the season. Vicky is not letting it go. Right. She is appalled by it. How dare you call her that? That is not who she is.

Kelli (45:17.689)
Because Vicky's not gonna let it go. Right.

Kelli (45:26.209)
she has god. She's exhausting. Maybe I'm not happy she's back now.

Wendy (45:28.313)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (45:33.313)
Next is Heather and she got social bestie. Tamra said, That's me. Heather asks, I'm your social bestie bestie. Tamara said, Well, I think like when we're together we're good, but then when you talk to other people after talking to Jen, like then I'm confused. I was like, God, really? This is this yeah.

Kelli (45:51.449)
See what I mean? Tamra's setting Jen up. Like, or or Tamra's behind Jen. There's something going on here. And listen, it doesn't, it would never surprise me if Tamra reached out to Jen in the offseason and was like, listen, moving forward, this is what we could do. I mean, come on, that's just Tamara. She's never gonna go on without a plan.

Wendy (45:55.651)
Yeah.

Wendy (46:19.075)
No, I totally agree. And Heather says, I don't know why that's true because we talk about it. We talk about it. She looks over at Jen and says, You bring up with me a lot. You bring her up with me a lot. And Jen says, Why do you always say that? And Heather says, Because every time we're together, you bring up Tamara. And Jen's like, What do you mean by that? You're just trying to have a conversation with me about life and like we've got to talk about Tamara.

And then Jen said, What I heard is that you double down and said that I'm obsessed with her. Emily told me she said that I was obsessed with her. And then

Kelli (46:56.419)
And again, now here's Emily saying, yes, but there was context around that. But that's not how she delivered it the first time to Jen. She never said there was context around it. She said Heather said you're obsessed with Tamara. Unless they edited it out.

Wendy (47:10.221)
Right. So meanwhile He Right. So meanwhile Heather starts yelling, Just let just let me answer and Emily saying, Let her clarify she did say that, but there was context around it. So at this point they're like yelling back and forth at each other. I'm like, this is ridiculous. Like it's just ridiculous.

Kelli (47:28.217)
Well, it's ridiculous because when Emily served that to Jen, there was no mention of context around it. And now Heather's here. Like, listen, I don't want another season of Emily doing Heather's dirty work either. 'Cause I'm over that bullshit. I'm I'm not enjoy Emily used to be one of my favorites. I'm just not enjoying it at all.

Wendy (47:49.432)
I know, I know, I know, I know. I don't like when she does this either. I don't like when she's like sticking her nose in it and stirring it and then backing out of it and not standing on it, right? 'Cause that's what she's doing.

Lori (47:59.136)
Thank

Kelli (48:00.175)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (48:05.709)
Heather's trying to explain this. The whole time Emily's interrupt interrupting, Heather's like, I'm not done. Let me explain. Emily yells, You've been talking all night. And I was like, God, like this is like this is ridiculous.

Kelli (48:19.183)
Listen, well, it's ridiculous, but listen, this is one situation where Heather's not getting up and walking away. You know when Heather gets flustered? When Heather gets caught saying something she doesn't want to be caught saying? She removes herself from the situation. She sits on it for two days, thinks about what she can say, and then contacts the person and says, I think we need to talk about what happened the other night. 'Cause now she's got a whole plan in her head of what she's gonna say to defend herself.

Lori (48:46.711)
Right, because now she's spin doctored it in her own mind.

Kelli (48:49.995)
Exactly, cause in the moment she very rarely can defend herself. But in this situation, we actually might have seen her defend herself, but Emily wouldn't shut the fuck up to let her talk.

Wendy (49:00.783)
But I do like that actually Shannon jumped in at this point. She's like, Listen, it's hard, Heather, when you say a comment to Emily about Jen being obsessed. Cause I don't know if you guys remember, but last year that's something that Tamar said about Jen. About Jen being obsessed with Tamara and her wanting to be her. And she did, and Shannon was right. So that's when Heather finally said, I'm sorry, I used that word. So

Kelli (49:20.569)
She most certainly did, yep.

Wendy (49:29.837)
I she said I'm sorry, I hope

Lori (49:30.209)
Yeah, but you're only sorry about the word.

Kelli (49:35.839)
Right.

Wendy (49:37.85)
Yeah. Jen said, I don't want to be I don't be I don't want to step in this space with any with you anymore. We're different. I feel like we're moving into a very, you know, close friendship and there was deep feelings you were sharing. I opened my mouth. That was not my place. Heather says, So let's let's find a good way to move forward. Jen said, I would love that. Heather said, Me too. So they say that they're moving forward right now. I will believe it when I see it. Jen and Heather.

Lori (49:59.896)
She seemed pissed though. She seemed pissed, Jen.

Kelli (49:59.951)
This is what I think happened. This is this is what I think happened. I think after last season, Heather reached out to Jen. They got together. They talked about the whole Tamra of it all. Tamra's always been a Tamra's been a problem for Jen since she got since she came on the show. Heather reached out, Tamara's a problem for everybody. She is nobody's friend. They sit down, they have a talk. Shortly probably thereafter, Tamra reaches out to Jen.

Wendy (50:11.907)
I definitely think Heather reached out to Jen.

Wendy (50:17.797)
Mm.

Lori (50:18.509)
Timer's a problem for everybody.

Wendy (50:20.442)
Mm.

Kelli (50:29.047)
And is like going into next season, I think that this is how we should play this. So I think Jen is in the middle of this.

Wendy (50:38.477)
Yeah, I I agree with you. Yeah, I think she should try and like gracefully bow out of it because she's not gonna she's not gonna fare well in this.

Kelli (50:38.969)
But she should just shut her mouth. But that's not what she's getting paid to do.

Kelli (50:48.473)
Out of the three of them, the last person to come out on top is gonna be Jen.

Wendy (50:53.389)
Yes. It's true.

Kelli (50:55.309)
Those two were gonna manipulate the F out of her.

Wendy (51:00.015)
So Jen goes next and she gets Peacemaker, not tonight, but okay. Hype Girl, understanding, and kind. Shannon is the last to go. She refers to herself as the Duchess. her first one says healthy boundaries. Next is work in progress, kind but holds grudges. Tamar said that one, Shannon.

Tamra said that one was me. Shannon said, You think I hold grudges? Tamara's like, No, actually I think you want to move forward, but I feel like you still you're still a little bit hesitant. Okay, I thought you guys made up. I thought you guys just made up at the quiet woman. W I mean, why are you doing this?

Kelli (51:42.681)
Right.

Lori (51:43.863)
Well, she should be hesitant. Who's she stealing with?

Kelli (51:47.275)
Exactly. She shouldn't even move forward, but you know what, they both need a paycheck, so they have no choice.

Wendy (51:47.353)
Right.

Wendy (51:53.616)
Well Shannon says, Absolutely I am and Tamra says, Well, I think time will will do that. I love you and I ador time will tell I love you and I adore you. Tamra says to Shannon, When you texted me the other night about, you know, wanting to help me, I seriously started crying. It was just so nice to get a text message from you. Like we we got

Kelli (52:13.805)
I can't believe it only took four episodes for us to see Tamra fake cry. No tears to be shown. my god. Tamara Tamara never real cries. That was a fake cry and it only took four episodes. That might be a that might be a you know a thank you. Could not think of the word. Could think of breaker, but not records.

Wendy (52:19.363)
Yeah.

Lori (52:19.62)
you think that was totally fake?

early.

Wendy (52:30.895)
But she then all

Lori (52:33.921)
Record breaker.

Wendy (52:38.223)
So Tamar star she's crying and she says, I wanna apologize to you. She said, I don't want to cry, but you know, Shannon said, Thank you. That means a lot to me. Shannon says, I feel like her apology at this point is genuine. It doesn't like mean we're back, but I think that this is good. And even on Watch What Happens Live, she said the same thing. She still thinks that that apology was genuine. I'm like, Shannon, you're gonna learn the hard way.

Kelli (53:01.017)
Phew, Shannon. Get your shit together, man. my god.

Wendy (53:09.807)
Tamara Judge Shannon says, Thank you, Tamara Judge, for a very enlightening evening, and that's pretty much it. And then I was telling you on Watch What Happens Live, Shannon was on, and Sophie and Adeline were at the bar. Andy asked Shannon, Do you agree with Tamara that Heather is a fake person? And Shannon's answer was, Well, I don't agree, but sometimes she says one thing and then other times she'll say another. Okay. Okay.

Kelli (53:36.567)
I mean, I think she's a flip flopper. I don't think she's well, no, I actually I do think Heather's very fake, one hundred percent. But Shannon's not gonna say that.

Wendy (53:42.234)
Well, I mean, I think Shannon's No, she's not gonna say that. Then we find out that Sophie's actually the one that came up with the name, Trace Amigas for Shannon. We find I didn't know that. Andy's asking Shannon these questions and she's like fidgeting around, and then Andy's like, Shannon, like your spanks are sh are coming out. Shannon's like, Well, I always have something. Like, they're not spanks, it's shapeware, like Shannon being Shannon.

Kelli (53:55.567)
Mm-mm.

Wendy (54:13.079)
And then she's got these note cards that she wrote. And he's asking her, like, which like for each castmate, like, what do you think that they need to work on? And that's where she had her note cards. And she's like, listen, it's not like this was planned out. Like, is it bad that I have note cards? He's No, it's fine. She goes, I found out just before I came out. Let me no, let me finish. It wasn't planned out, but she found out just before she came out on the stage that he was gonna ask her these questions. So she wrote down her answers. It wasn't planned out before she showed up.

Kelli (54:29.239)
It wasn't planned out, but you have note cards?

Lori (54:31.277)
But you have no cards.

Wendy (54:43.085)
Again, let let me remind you, I know y I know you don't like her and I know you think everything she does is shtick. The woman is sixty two years old.

Kelli (54:49.519)
No, I I like Shannon. I never said I didn't like her. I do think that she is sh sticky though.

Wendy (54:52.889)
Okay.

But, you know, she she's like everyone thinks I'm fake falling and her daughters are like and even she's like she's like I have neuropathy. She does like she's she has neuropathy. Like sh I don't think all of her falls are fake. I don't think she's I don't think she's that talented to be a fake faller because e any c any comedian will say it is not easy to do those things. And they showed on Watch What Happens Live, like a fall of her from her own ring camera.

Like that's not something she staged. Like this is just who she is. I think it is who she is. So then the next thing she says, which I thought was very interesting, when she got to Carmela, she said she is incredibly generous. She's like, I had a leak in my home, her home that she rents, and Shannon has admit this. She had to move out of her house for one month, and she said she let me live in one of her homes for free for one month, Carmella.

Kelli (55:51.447)
That's I mean. Like, I don't think this woman's trying to flex at all. I think she's just very wealthy, which is one strike against her with Vicky. And she just likes to help out her friends. And l like we would never have known that if Shannon didn't tell us. It's not like this woman's on social media saying Shannon Badour just stayed in my house for a month. Like she it's not a flex.

Wendy (55:55.588)
No.

Lori (55:55.884)
now.

Wendy (55:59.288)
I agree. I agree.

Wendy (56:09.315)
No.

She's never gonna tell us.

Lori (56:14.613)
Right, right. Yeah, no. I don't think she gives a shit to flax. I don't think she... Yeah, not at all. Right, that's just it.

Wendy (56:15.075)
Right. It's not a flex.

Kelli (56:21.197)
Right. Like this is just her life and she's living it. And God bless her for it.

Wendy (56:21.967)
Carmella, I don't think she does either.

I don't think she gives a shit either. But I will say I don't think Shannon's falls or Pratt falls. I think that she is a klutzy sixty-year-old woman. I just think that. I think that she, you know, like I loved her dress on Watch What Happens Live. It was very Shannon like. It was very demure. It was all sparkles. She had her legs crossed.

She happened to be wearing black shapeware. So when she crossed her legs and moved a little bit, it came out. She should have been wearing nude. It wouldn't have been is obvious. But we know that she wears shapeware. I wish she would get, I wish she would. That's what I was about to say. She should get a brand deal because she lives by shapeware. And she should be doing TikToks about shapeware because she could be making bank with shapeware. And I think it really is genuinely her. I think that.

Kelli (57:02.051)
Somebody we get a should give her a brand deal.

Lori (57:05.065)
Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Yes, she could. Absolutely.

Wendy (57:18.905)
People give her more credit than really she deserves because I don't think she is that calculated and planned. I think that she just doesn't give a shit and just lives her life. And if that is her falling or her shape we're showing, or she having to write it down or having to pull out her glasses or whatever it is, I think it's all real with her. That's just my personal opinion. And I know that a lot of people don't agree with me, but whatever, I don't care.

Kelli (57:45.337)
Yeah, I mean I used to think that. I I f I do feel like this season it's just amped up a lot. A lot. But listen, if she's got neuropathy I feel terrible 'cause that's not easy to live with. So I I hope you know, I hope she feels better 'cause that's

Lori (57:56.608)
No, that's not easy. That's like Kathy Hilton. really think that she just has like crackers in her pocketbook. I just think that that's her. I just think that's her. Yeah. I just think that that's her.

Wendy (58:04.247)
No, she does. I agree with you. I think she does. It's like Alicia. I think when Alicia's Kathy Hilton's age, she's going to be the same person. I think this is just who they are. This is who they've always been. They're being their authentic self, and people are thinking it's a shtick, but it's not a shtick. They're just to the point in their lives or in their career or whatever. They just don't give a shit. They're not faking to be, they're not trying to be something that they're not.

Kelli (58:05.027)
Well, y she she had tater tots in her pocketbook. I'll watch what happens.

Lori (58:15.937)
Exactly.

Wendy (58:31.727)
They're not. And I just that is what I like about them. I don't think it's fake. That's my own personal opinion. I think she's real. But whatever.

So that's it for the OC. Thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five-star reviews. Bye.

Kelli (58:48.687)
Bye.

Lori (58:49.314)
Bye.