RHOC Ring Around the OC

Lori (00:02.722)
Hi, welcome to WeY and Whenever. This is Lori. Forgot who I was for a second. I would just started to panic because we're talking about Real Housewives of Orange County and I did not write down the name of the episode.

Kelli (00:06.124)
I'm Kelly.

Kelli (00:17.698)
I didn't either. Whatever. The latest episode of O C.

Lori (00:20.28)
So the latest episode of whatever it is. Yeah. I did not write it down. Yeah. So I did not write it down. So yeah, it's it's a lot. Yeah. So Gina and Emily meet at a restaurant. And I'm so I'm such a dummy sometimes. Like Heather not Heather, Emily orders three Diet Cokes. I'm thinking, girl, what you need three Diet Cokes for?

Kelli (00:24.738)
I literally just finished watching it. So yeah, there you go. Yeah. It's Labor Day weekend. We were busy.

Lori (00:49.43)
Thinking it was for herself. She wanted it for the table. It was funny. God. So stupid. And then everybody came and sat down. I was like, duh. god. And then Gina's so Tamra comes and meets them, and then Gina talks about meeting up for an impromptu birthday party for Shannon. I don't know why it had to be impromptu. Why didn't

Kelli (00:49.773)
she ordered for the table.

Kelli (00:54.862)
It's funny.

Lori (01:17.644)
Y the girl just said she was lonely. Like why wouldn't you be why didn't you plan some already?

Kelli (01:22.254)
I think what happened was who were the first two to show up? Heather and Jen. I think Shannon knew Heather and Jen were coming. And I think the impromptu surprise part of it was that then Gina and Emily and and Tamara and Vicky showed up. That's because I'm I'm like, okay, so she obviously knew people were coming over because one, there's a camera crew there, and two, the doorbell rang and she wasn't like, who the hell is that?

Lori (01:39.293)
okay, okay, okay.

Kelli (01:50.476)
Like when your doorbell rings, like that's how we all respond sne s respond now.

Lori (01:53.369)
That's yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then Tamra says she doesn't want to hit sixty, says she went to the doctor. Emily says she went and had to have the testosterone pellets put in her butt. I was like, okay. and Tamara in her confessional says, you know, this whole menopause thing is something that's not talked about enough, which I agree. especially the mental

side of it, which Tara did bring up. And then we find out Tara wants to do a night of seduction. I was like, I don't wanna know about this.

Kelli (02:23.916)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (02:33.528)
Well, no, because we've already suffered through the tub scene eleven years ago or whenever the hell that was. It th nobody wants to see Tamara and Eddie being intimate with each other. Nobody.

Lori (02:43.155)
No, no, no. Tamra asks Heather if she has heard

Lori (02:53.015)
I wrote something down wrong here. I'm telling you it's a it's a stellar it's a stellar night. somebody asks if they've heard from Heather.

Kelli (02:57.538)
To who? She asked who?

Lori (03:06.671)
yeah, Tamara asked, Emily. Yeah, she's heard from Hammer. Yeah, Emily yeah, yeah.

Kelli (03:07.612)
Emily, right? 'Cause yeah, 'cause Emily and and Heather were the ones who kinda had be well, I mean, I don't know if they have beef or not. Emily's just being I love how they keep saying Heather is sensitive. Heather's not sensitive. Heather is defensive. Heather does not like to admit she's wrong and certainly doesn't like it when people call her out for being wrong. She's not sensitive though. She's definitely not sensitive.

Lori (03:14.816)
Yeah. Emily.

Lori (03:28.824)
Mm-hmm. Right.

Lori (03:34.158)
And let's see. Then Jen and Heather meet up to buy sunglasses and Carmela comes and so then her find out her daughter's going to Cal Poly, I don't know, her daughter Presley. And Carmella talks about how she left home and never went back.

Kelli (03:59.993)
Yeah, I mean that's you know, it's that can't be a good feeling. You know, I remember our neighbor, Eileen, telling me when her oldest Jake went away to college, my household is never going to be the same again. Because even when he comes home on break, like he doesn't live here anymore. And I was like, Wow, you know, my kids were tiny then.

Lori (04:02.338)
Yeah.

No.

Lori (04:15.041)
Uh-huh.

Lori (04:19.2)
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And then the girls are all talking amongst each other how, you know, this point in life when your kids get a certain age, how it changes your relationships and you know, g going away to college and all that stuff. I think that's if you're fortunate enough to be in a financial situation that you can do that for your child or if your child is

in such a place mentally and emotionally that they can do that. I think that that's an awesome thing to to be able to have that experience. but not everybody can not everybody can do it. Carmel asks what happened at the party. Heather says apparently a lot of things I do annoy Emily. Jen says she always hears that Heather is so sensitive. Heather says I'm fine, relax. And she says she doesn't

Kelli (05:16.598)
Yeah. I don't wanna take any accountability. I don't wanna admit that I'm wrong, but I'm okay.

Lori (05:22.808)
But I'm okay, yeah. Heather says she doesn't feel like you know, an anyone needs to tiptoe around her. And Jen says that they feel the other gr girls in the group feel like they do have to tiptoe around her. So back at the lunch, Gina says that everybody has to just give her time to get over it. Emily says, why do we always have to make allowances? And I'm like

What are you what are you talking about? Because she's getting over something that you started. So what are you even talk what are you even talking about? Emily says Heather is her hypersensitivity hinders her relationships with the girls and with her.

Kelli (05:59.213)
Right. Exactly.

Lori (06:15.608)
So I don't know.

Kelli (06:19.138)
Heather Heather w yeah. Heather is is being called out for saying what she said about Carmella, which, you know, listen.

I I don't blame them for doing what they're doing. You know, with with in this pert with this particular situation, with the whole calling Carmella trashy. Like if she said that off camera, then okay, then bringing it up on camera, th this is what they're getting paid to do.

Lori (06:47.798)
Right. Yeah.

Kelli (06:49.336)
But Emily is not causing a hindrance in Heather's friendships. Heather is creating that, you know.

Lori (06:59.81)
Yeah. So they feel right.

Kelli (07:00.814)
I don't like the gang up mentality and I do think that they're doing that to Heather right now. And it takes a lot for me to defend fancy pants. But I so strongly dislike Tamra. I mean, to the point where I'm actually enjoying Teresa on Ultimate Girls Trip, and now Tamara is bothering me more than Teresa.

Lori (07:07.81)
Right, right.

Lori (07:20.526)
So you know it's bad. Yeah. Yeah. So, they all the girls feel Heather's being hypocritical, asking Carmella for help, and Gina thinks it's a weird thing to do. Gina thinks a lot of things are weird. But really, d why would she ask you for real estate advice? You're not in that area. And y I've seen people do social media posts about it and

Kelli (07:22.08)
It's bad.

Lori (07:48.643)
The advice that she gave Heather Heather was correct about not being in a certain area because her kid would never get to class on time. And that's stuff that Gina would've never known.

Kelli (08:00.888)
So I looked it up because I was just curious, right? How far is Corona Del Mar from San Diego? Because Heather said she went to Carmela's Corona Del Mar office.

It's an hour and twenty-four minutes. I did not realize it was that far. So then I look up, is Corona Del Mar in Orange County? no. How far is Orange County from San Diego? 75 to 90 minutes, same time frame. So then I looked up because I'm like, Gina's Gina's in Orange County, but Carmela's in Orange County too. So then I looked up, is Corona Del Mar in Orange County? And yes, it is.

So I think that their offices are in similar areas, but I guess what Heather was saying is where her daughter's gonna be at school is is Carmella's like niche area, niche area.

Lori (08:57.954)
Mm-hmm, mm hmm. Yeah.

Kelli (09:01.806)
Okay. 'Cause that's kind of a far distance, an hour and a half to know that area and for that to be your niche area an hour and a half away.

Lori (09:03.256)
So

Lori (09:11.596)
Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know. Maybe she's done some properties there in the past. Who knows? Maybe has she had some cla I don't know. Gina says Heather got tanked at Vegas and talked shit about Carmella to everybody.

Kelli (09:19.746)
I guess so, yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (09:31.064)
So it's interesting because when they said while we weren't filming, I thought she made those comments prior to the season starting. Like I thought she heard about the new girl coming on the show, read up about her.

Lori (09:43.298)
Well, that's certainly how they present that's how they presented it. But I don't think that's what it was.

Kelli (09:47.427)
But well not now because we watched the trip in Las Vegas. So she said that after filming started, after she started to get to know this girl. That's a big difference to me.

Lori (09:57.294)
Uh-huh.

That's a big difference. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then when we find out Vicky's boyfriend was pissed 'cause she made the drop your pants comment. My husband would be like, Well, okay okay.

Kelli (10:12.098)
Okay. Okay. Yeah, totally agree.

Lori (10:15.478)
I'm I'm very happy you said that and you can you can tell anybody you want that you said that.

Kelli (10:20.406)
And here's the thing, Mike. You I mean, he started dating Vicky when she wasn't on the show. But if her being on the show was gonna be such a problem, then you should have said or I mean maybe he did. Maybe he did say something. Maybe that's why they're not engaged yet.

Lori (10:25.9)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (10:33.59)
Right. Yeah. So Emily, Jean and Tamra think Mike is the difference in Vicky, like that's why she's toning herself down. If this is toned down, I cannot tell you how happy I am that I didn't have to watch her in previous seasons. If this is if this is a toned down, Vicki. I I'm quite h pleased.

Kelli (10:51.992)
She was pretty wild.

Kelli (10:56.222)
Vicky tries to act like she's you know, a higher class than most people. You know, like this is why she doesn't like Carmela. She was in Playboy. She, you know, she's the epitome of a younger, prettier, probably just as wealthy as Vicky. And Vicky can't can't have that.

Lori (11:03.32)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Lori (11:10.817)
Right.

Lori (11:19.116)
Right version. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. So, and then they say that Mike came to the girls' room in Vegas and that's when he said the ninety days to not piss me off and if she makes it to seventy they have to start over. I was like, What?

Kelli (11:40.514)
I just think it's interesting that he was in Vegas.

Lori (11:43.918)
I just think it's interesting that you would say that

Kelli (11:45.048)
Like can she not she can't go on a girls' trip without you? That was a girls trip.

Lori (11:47.885)
Right. That was the girls' trip, yeah. And why would you why would you say that on camera and why would Vicky be okay with somebody's like I don't know, it was Well well n no, he didn't say it on camera, but he said it to the other girls, to their face, that they could repeat it. Yeah, it's just weird.

Kelli (11:58.253)
I don't think he said it on camera, which is almost even worse.

Kelli (12:05.462)
Right. While they were on a girls trip filming.

Yeah, I agree.

Lori (12:14.804)
And then then the girls were saying in their confessionals like what could Vicky have done to piss off Mike?

you know, backed into his car, took Mike off her insurance policy. It's just so funny. And then I I had to get tortured 'cause I

Kelli (12:35.918)
I loved when Gina was like, What's Vicky doing up at three AM stalking Don's Facebook page?

Lori (12:40.852)
Yeah, yeah. I had to get tortured three times because I was watching this on Peacock and I had to watch Brittany from the Valley three times on the Pet Smart ad and I cannot take her stupid twang. I cannot take it. I cannot take it. I cannot take it.

Kelli (12:54.839)
my god.

Kelli (13:02.282)
And let me tell you something. That twang has gotten so much more severe since she and Jax have split up. Like like it's all like it's almost fake to this point that it's so twang Kentucky twangy. Like 'cause she wasn't talking like that. She always had an accent, but it's like super accent now.

Lori (13:15.563)
Uh-huh.

Lori (13:19.221)
Uh-huh.

Lori (13:27.052)
Right. Now it's like full blown. Yeah. She was annoying.

Kelli (13:29.218)
Yep. She's the you know, she's playing victim. She's a damsel in j listen, Jax is a complete scumbag and we should never see him on our screens again. But she's no damsel in distress. She's no babe in the woods, Brittany.

Lori (13:39.287)
Right. She's no yeah, yeah, she's no dance. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we have a scene with Vicky and she's at the house with Mike and she kinda like is like chastising him. I was like, I don't think this she talks about how she went to four orthopedics and she's gonna go the one who gave her the alternate route for her knee. And then now we get into kind of the meat and potatoes of why Mike's so pissed at her.

he says he wants to travel and Vicky needs to pull back from work and then Mike says that she says she's gonna slow down and then she takes on another job.

And then he says, I'm mic'd. I don't want to talk about this.

So it's just a very weird thing. Like you have this guy, he clearly doesn't want to be on the show. You clearly don't want to be alone. You clearly wanna be in a relationship with him. But then you do the one thing that he doesn't want, which is being on the show, and and you're trying to make him talk when obviously so he's told you off camera, don't bring up certain shit 'cause I don't want to talk about it. But then you do it anyway, like what you what are you what are you doing?

Kelli (14:58.272)
And he doesn't he doesn't seem like he wants her on the show. So like if she was serious, like they that so this is more important to you than than marrying this guy. Not that I'm saying I agree with him giving her an ultimatum because that's not right either. But like I said, he started dating her when she was off the show. So he was probably like, Okay, I know who you were on the show, but that's not a part of your life anymore. So let's let's do this. And now she's back on the show.

Lori (15:01.782)
No.

Lori (15:07.938)
That's what I'm saying.

No, no, no, no.

Lori (15:19.65)
Right.

Right.

And now she's back. Yeah. And then she like outs him that he has to go to the bathroom a lot. Now that that might that would piss off my husband. He'd be like, you know what? Knock it off. and Gene and Heather go to Shannon's with balloons. and Shannon says some weird shit sometimes. Like they asked, it's cold in here and Shannon's like, the dogs like it cold. I'm like, What? And she seemed,

Kelli (15:29.575)
my god.

Kelli (15:33.194)
Absolutely. Yes.

Kelli (15:50.274)
Yeah. Shannon. What did they tell you that, Shannon?

Lori (15:54.497)
She seemed like very like flustered to have people at her house. Like she couldn't just like relax and let it be like a little bit like OCD. Like she had to have known about it. She had to have planned it. She had to like make sure everything was perfect. I don't know. She just seemed weird. And then she tells them how she made out with her date and I think it was the plaid sports coat that did it for her. She said he had on a plaid sports coat. I think that's what it

Think Shannon. She's digging the sports coat. And she Shannon says, I'm not a hooker, but I got some game.

And then I think she had a t-shirt again. And then Gina is driving with Carmella in the back. I was very confused.

Kelli (16:33.964)
I think Shannon does have game.

Kelli (16:44.088)
Well they flashed back when was that when Heather told them that she was asking no, 'cause Gina wasn't in the vehicle, was she? Or was she when Heather told them that she was asking Carmella to show her places?

Lori (16:52.374)
No, it was just Gina.

Yeah, I don't know.

Carmela says she feels uncomfortable not bringing a gift. Gina and Emily and Carmela come in with the pizza. Yeah, that's what it was when they went her house and Shannon says she lost money on her her company. she wants to start over. She wants to be able to take her kids on a trip.

Kelli (17:08.559)
that's what it was. That's right, that's right.

Lori (17:27.063)
And

Lori (17:31.116)
Then they had this stupid conversation about a flying coach. Just stupid. Just stupid. And Shannon says she's

Kelli (17:36.312)
Yeah, I know. Yeah. Heather's like, who's flying coach? They're like, not you. Not you.

Lori (17:44.693)
Just shut up. All right, Lisa Barlow. Shut up, yeah. And Shannon says she's nervous about spending time alone with Tamara. And there's a lot of candles on that cake. There's a lot of there's a lot of candles on that cake, yeah. And then

Kelli (17:48.298)
Exactly.

Kelli (17:59.343)
There were a lot of candles on.

Lori (18:06.252)
And then there was a scene with at Jen's house where Ryan had to have knee surgery and then the son comes over that's in the marines and the boys have a conversation about you know feelings and talking to somebody. Now didn't I hear that one one of those sons started some big wildfire in California? One of Jen's sons?

Kelli (18:34.702)
Was it one of them or was it the younger son?

Lori (18:38.552)
Thought it was one of her sons. I don't know which one it was.

Kelli (18:40.819)
It was. I just don't know if it was one of the two that were sitting there.

Lori (18:43.982)
there's another one. There was one missing. Okay.

Kelli (18:50.04)
Wait, it was Dawson and Grayson sitting there and one of her sons was involved in a

Kelli (19:00.686)
she did not name which of her four sons, Harrison, Dawson, Grayson, or Dominic. She did not say which one was involved.

Lori (19:08.842)
Okay, so one of them okay, yeah.

Kelli (19:13.186)
But I wonder if it's him and maybe that's why he was going through such a bad time with his mental health. That would check out.

Lori (19:25.248)
A wood checkout, yeah. So I'm I'm not sure about that.

Kelli (19:27.564)
I believe it's Grayson, the one that was kinda having a rough go.

Lori (19:31.67)
Yeah, 'cause he's the one who got the speeding ticket.

Kelli (19:34.166)
Yeah. I listen, I don't think somebody sets out to start that kind of a wildfire. shit happens. Like he was probably goo yeah, one whoever it was, whichever one of her sons, and I'm not trying to make excuses for him, but was probably just fucking around with his friends and something got out of control.

Lori (19:35.416)
Yeah, I don't know.

Lori (19:40.692)
No, shit happened. Shit happened.

Lori (19:51.521)
Yeah, and and some guy, yeah, because it can do it quick. And then we had Tamara, aka Juicy. I just did not want to see that. I didn't want to see it. No. No, I didn't want to see her ass.

Kelli (19:55.586)
Yeah, I mean, yeah.

Kelli (20:01.694)
god.

Again, no. No. Nobody does.

Kelli (20:12.44)
We told you about I know. We told you about the bathroom scene. That's the first time Eddie was on camera was that bathroom scene, that bathtub scene. The flashback. Yeah, horrible. Nobody cares about your sex life, Tamara. If you want to talk about your hormone replacement therapy and needing testosterone and tell us that that like Emily, like Emily talked about it, but we will w I hope to God we never see Emily and Shane having an intimate moment on camera. And I can assure you we won't.

Lori (20:14.678)
I didn't did not want to say it.

Lori (20:21.004)
I d I just didn't.

Lori (20:29.238)
Right. Let's go.

Lori (20:38.805)
No, I don't want to see anybody.

Kelli (20:40.354)
Because Shane would probably never agree to that. Only Eddie would fucking agree to this. And I don't believe for one second that Eddie said to her in a car, maybe it's time to file the divorce papers. And I'll tell you why. Because in this conversation, when she said when they flashed back to them having a conversation in their kitchen, she's like she said something about divorce. He's like, What we should get divorced because we don't have sex enough. Like he like divorce was not on his radar.

So I don't believe for one second, liar Tamra, that your husband ever said those words to you. But you'll sell anything for a storyline.

Lori (21:13.654)
Right.

Lori (21:18.786)
Yeah. And then they all meet up for

Lunch. no, the girls no no no. Shannon calls up Tamara and says we're supposed to meet tomorrow for a one on one lunch, but I'm not digging it and it's Vicky's birthday, so why don't we all just go? And Tamra was having none of that and did the rude move where she sent the flowers and Tamra judge and the whole thing.

Kelli (21:47.171)
my god, disgusting that she's she so yeah, so I don't blame Shannon one bit. I would not be in a room alone with Tamara ever again if I were Shannon. So Shannon and Vicky meet up and they're like, Tamara's gonna be here any minute and instead she sends flowers with a note, a snarky, snarky note, and then she goes and meets the other girls for lunch.

Lori (22:10.638)
Yeah, I was like, okay. Just show the colors.

Kelli (22:13.004)
She meant Heather.

Emily and Jen. The the Heather DeBro the Heather DeBro takedown team, except that Heather was happened to be there at this lunch.

Lori (22:18.094)
Mm.

Lori (22:24.426)
Yes. Yeah. So that was just rude. And then

Kelli (22:30.188)
Very rude.

Lori (22:33.784)
Then they have the picnic, which was just a weird it was a weird scene. The chick was weird. The chick was weird.

Kelli (22:43.886)
She don't she doesn't bother me this shit 'cause we've definitely seen her before. But you have to be into that kind of stuff. Like if the whole group's not into it, we've seen it on other franchises. Like, you know, even like the whole Amanda Francis thing. Like if you're not into it, you're not into it. And you're gonna roll your eyes and you're gonna crack your jokes and not take it seriously.

Lori (22:54.765)
Right.

Lori (22:58.624)
Right. To it. Yeah.

Lori (23:03.98)
Yeah. Yeah. And then we see Heather giving her apology to Carmella. So it's a good chess move. She was like, All right.

Owned it up and to and said it. But I don't know. Orange County's it's just annoying.

Kelli (23:27.296)
It's not a great season. but I don't like like people online are saying like that it's boring, it's you know, we need something more. it's not it's not terrible, but Vicky is horrible. How about the fact that so at the end of this, you know, park party, they start talking to her about the Mike thing and the engagement thing.

Lori (23:40.864)
Insufferable. Insufferable.

Kelli (23:55.629)
And whatever they're saying, she's shutting it down. This is my business. It's my business. She's shutting it down. So it's okay for you to call Carmella a bad mother. But it's not okay for some the the fact that your boyfriend says he has a ring and isn't giving it to you. Like if you want to be on the show, Vicky, fucking be on the show. Because that's weird that he's got a ring and he hasn't proposed yet. Clearly.

Lori (24:06.646)
Right, but nobody can ask why you're not engaged.

Lori (24:18.094)
Yeah.

Kelli (24:24.862)
You're not on the same page.

Lori (24:26.646)
Right, right. What do you think? Your orange is not gonna get peeled, sliced and diced? You think you're just gonna hold it there nicely? Polish it? No. No.

Kelli (24:31.917)
Right.

Right.

And when she said to Jen, we're not gonna do what you do, listen, when Nene said that last week, I wanna be treated as the wife, but I don't need to be the wife. Listen, I'm sure Jen I'm sure Jen is very comfortable with where she's at with Ryan. And that's okay. They both have kids. They both have kids in school.

Lori (24:40.322)
Yeah, that was

Lori (24:45.408)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (25:00.95)
Maybe it just doesn't work right now. Look at Gina and Travis. They're not rushing to get married either.

Lori (25:05.366)
Right, right. But you're not saying a you're not you're not catching astray on her though.

Kelli (25:07.276)
And that's okay.

Kelli (25:11.722)
Right, and but nobody's dangling a carrot in front of their face and being like, You better be a b good girl because clearly that's what this guy is doing.

Lori (25:15.79)
Right. Right.

Right. I just think Jen's like low lying fruit. So she just she'll just catch the stray because she kinda you know goes with the wind, you know what I mean? So she's Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (25:30.242)
Jen's gonna Jen's gonna go whichever the wind the way the wind's blowing just to to stay on this show. This is a big source of income for her. I hope she can build something from it. when Tamra was talking about her you know, I built multimillion dollar businesses from this platform. Girl. I mean, maybe her podcast, but not her C B D shit. That's that's

Lori (25:59.053)
Right. Yeah.

Kelli (26:00.035)
you know, that's drowned out, that business. People are still making money, obviously, but you're not the only game in town and you can't even ship outside of California or you can't ship to California, something crazy like that.

Lori (26:06.646)
Right. Yeah.

Lori (26:11.988)
Yeah, yeah. No, no, it's no, that's crazy.

Kelli (26:15.222)
I th she definitely makes a lot of money on the power podcast though, obviously. with you know, I'll give I give respect where respect is due. Two Ts I can't listen to them 'cause I I can't listen to them.

Lori (26:18.827)
yeah.

Lori (26:22.966)
Yeah, but listen, she also makes a lot of that money because of Teddy, so

Kelli (26:29.772)
Sure, sure.

Lori (26:31.382)
This is not just a Terra podcast. So don't be thinking like it's all you 'cause it's not. So that's it. That's it for the episode that I can't even remember the name. Can't even remember the name of the episode.

Kelli (26:36.653)
Bye.

Kelli (26:40.63)
Yeah. So Vicky just did not like being well and then they so Vicky and you know, they're s trying to talk about the mic thing and Vicky keeps shutting it down. And then we get into the Shannon and Tamra of it, how Shannon doesn't want to have a one-on-one with Tamara. Earlier in the episode, they flashed back to times when Shannon and Tamra were sitting down, you know, and Tamra was horrible. Tamra was horrible.

Lori (27:07.758)
Mm.

Kelli (27:09.986)
To Shannon. And when she said, after everything I've done for you, Shannon, what the fuck have you done for her? Other than called her a drunk and an alcoholic for the past three years? You've done nothing but defamed this woman. Whatever you did prior to that is now negated because of how you treated her the last three years. Horrible.

Lori (27:31.17)
Yeah, absolutely. All right, so it's called Ring of Truth. That's the name.

Episode Ring of Truth.

Kelli (27:41.921)
ring of truth in the episode.

Lori (27:43.758)
That's the name of it. Yeah, it's like, Tamra, why are you thinking that you're gonna dictate how someone else is feeling?

Kelli (27:52.598)
Right.

Lori (27:53.527)
Like you're this changed person, you really want to move forward, then be like, Okay, cool. I get that you feel like that. We'll just continue on and hopefully in in the future we can spend a little more one on one time together. Like that's what the big girl says.

Kelli (28:08.91)
So I think so despite what people are saying about Shannon, which i where there's smoke, there's fire. It's gotta be somewhat true, how she treats the production. And I think I think up in Adam put like a post out today or yesterday saying that

Lori (28:21.053)
I'm sure she's horrible.

Kelli (28:29.386)
the girls of OC, he heard that the girls of the OC were warned that they need to start treating the production, the staff better. So I'm sure they're talking about Shannon. Despite that, because that is horrible, Tamara's been terrible to Shannon. And I like I don't want to defend Shannon too much because she's a big girl, but I'm sorry. I I stand with Shannon on that one. Tamra's like a dog with a bone with Shannon.

Lori (28:38.838)
Mm-hmm. Uh-huh.

Yes.

Lori (28:49.772)
Right, right. Yeah.

Lori (28:55.126)
Well you this Yeah. Yeah, well there's nothing wrong with setting a boundary and keeping it. And there's nothing wrong with dictating how your relationships go. And if people around you can't handle that, then that's that's on them.

Kelli (29:01.238)
That's right. And that's what's

Kelli (29:07.478)
And Shannon

Kelli (29:11.566)
For sure. And the fact that Shannon said to Vicki at that lunch where Tamara bagged out, I didn't like the way she was talking to you about Mike at Shannon's birthday at the house. And then they flash back. We didn't see it, but then they flash back. I don't know why production does that. Just show us what happened.

Lori (29:26.058)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Lori (29:33.143)
Right, right.

Kelli (29:41.292)
I'm not sitting down with you. Look at how you were just treating Vicky and you two have supposedly reconciled. I'm not gonna put myself in that position again. I give Shannon a lot of credit for keeping this boundary and and I think she should stick to it. No one on ones with Tamra.

Lori (29:46.659)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (29:53.761)
Absolutely.

No, no.

So we'll see. I'm sure production if that really was something that was all planned out and then Shannon went and switched at the last minute, I'm sure they were pissed. But I think that she pisses them off all the time. So I'm sure at this point she doesn't even care. You know what I mean? So we'll see what happens next time on the so exciting Real Housewives of Orange County. So please like, follow, comment, do all the things.

Kelli (30:09.378)
Yeah. Yep.

Kelli (30:15.746)
Think you're right. Yeah.

Kelli (30:24.758)
All right.

Kelli (30:29.102)
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Lori (30:29.315)
Be lovely. Yes. Okay. Bye.

Kelli (30:31.734)
All right.