RHOBH-Sutton Takes the Stage: Fashion, Friendship & Feuds

Wendy (00:00.92)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.409)
I'm Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:04.325)
and I'm Lori.

Wendy (00:05.986)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Season 14, Episode 14, Hemline and Headlines. I don't know. I didn't like that one.

Kelli (00:19.827)
What's the headlines part? Maurizio? Are we still talking about that?

We Wine Whenever (00:20.165)
not.

Wendy (00:22.508)
Yeah, but what's the hemline? Is it the fashion show?

Kelli (00:25.705)
Well, her fashion show, yeah, her fashion show.

We Wine Whenever (00:29.444)
Yeah, no, they could have done better.

Wendy (00:31.148)
I think so too. We start out with Bo's having tea with her daughter, Lael, and Garcelle's with Jade and his official call cards come in. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (00:42.874)
They look good. These cards are nice. Nice card. Yeah, I liked it.

Kelli (00:44.467)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Wendy (00:48.494)
Sutton is talking to her mom and then we see Kyle is driving and talking to Cathy and she is shocked and still kind of processing the whole pictures of Mo kissing. Listen, I'm glad that she has Cathy there to talk to her, you know, about it and to be there for her. She said in her confessional that she saw it like everybody else did on TMZ, which you, I mean, you have to imagine that that's jarring.

You know?

Kelli (01:19.391)
I'm surprised though. Don't you think when Maurizio saw the paparazzi there, he could have given Kyle a little bit of a heads up, just so you know there were cameras here.

We Wine Whenever (01:19.472)
Most of.

Wendy (01:29.634)
I don't think it was paparazzi. I think it was like an iPhone video. I think it was just an iPhone video. I do because I do. don't think it was paparazzi. don't. No. I don't even think he knew it was happening. I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (01:34.874)
Just a person? Really?

Kelli (01:36.287)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (01:41.786)
You don't think it was staged? You don't think it was?

Kelli (01:46.577)
Maybe he didn't know it was happening. Maybe the model set it up where somebody saw them and she just put it out there and he didn't know. Okay, that makes sense, because I was like, damn, like he could have, and if he did, I'm not saying he had to or didn't have to, you know, they're separated, so it is what it is, but.

Wendy (01:51.778)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:52.357)
Yeah.

Wendy (01:56.846)
Yeah.

Wendy (02:04.766)
Right. Yeah, I don't think you knew about it. Uh-huh.

Kelli (02:06.781)
Yeah, you're probably right, I'm sure.

Wendy (02:09.518)
Kyle says that she doesn't want him to feel guilty. And she's now like, she's afraid that he's going to treat her differently. Because he's

We Wine Whenever (02:19.526)
Yeah, I thought it was weird how she said, you know, she said, oh, is he not going to be that nice to me now? I don't know. Maybe she should have said like, you know, how is our relationship going to change now that he has somebody in his life? Like she could have said something like that. just the way she said it, like, oh, is he not going to be nice to me now? It's like this person going to influence him. I don't know. I just thought she could have worded it a little better.

Kelli (02:46.239)
I knew what she meant. Like, I think that they have a very amicable separation right now. And you know, when somebody else gets in your ear, they could be like, well, why is she asking you for that? Why doesn't she just do that? you know, and then it could influence how he, you know, treats her. Like, well, no, I'm not gonna do that. You should do that.

We Wine Whenever (03:00.403)
definitely. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (03:06.299)
Sure.

Right. No, I understood what she was trying to say. I'm just saying I think she could have more did it a little better.

Wendy (03:16.106)
Yeah. Then we see Erica is with her designer Martin and we get to see the before and after of her house. I mean, he did a lot. He really did do a lot.

Kelli (03:30.557)
He did, but it's like, it was all aesthetic. And I'm not saying that in a negative way, I'm just saying it's amazing how you could change a space just by putting up wallpaper and changing the position of a furniture. He wasn't knocking walls down, but what a tremendous improvement he made.

We Wine Whenever (03:44.023)
Absolutely.

No.

Yes, yes.

Wendy (03:52.16)
Yeah. I mean, Erica said the razzle dazzle is coming back to her life. I like to hear that.

Kelli (03:56.851)
Yeah. Yeah, I'm happy for her. Thank God.

Wendy (04:02.582)
And then her mom arrives and Martin says, you're now a phoenix in your den of gorgeousness. Erica starts to give her mom a tour and her mom being like, some moms has something to say.

We Wine Whenever (04:21.594)
Yeah, about the wallpaper, the wallpaper snooze, no.

Kelli (04:21.983)
She doesn't want to see seams and neither do I. I don't want to see seams.

Wendy (04:24.078)
wallpaper seams. I thought that was great. I thought that was great. What did you think of it Laura? I liked it. I thought I loved it.

We Wine Whenever (04:28.411)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (04:35.544)
I liked it. I liked it. One thing about though the outside cabana, that like blue and white stripe, it just, I don't know, reminded me of like that house on Epstein Island. anytime it ruined those blue and white horizontal stripes for me, like now every time I see them, that's all I can think of. Isn't that bizarre? It's horrible. Yeah.

Kelli (04:54.259)
That's what you think of. Yeah. Yeah. I absolutely loved the wallpaper in the kitchen.

Wendy (04:56.896)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (05:01.956)
Yeah, yeah, no, I liked it. I liked everything that he did.

Wendy (05:04.994)
Yeah, I thought it was very nice. I really did.

We Wine Whenever (05:08.366)
I actually would have expected her bedroom to be a little different. Like I was thinking it was not going to be what it was. I thought it was going to be a little more,

Kelli (05:19.529)
Seducive? Me too.

We Wine Whenever (05:20.536)
Yeah, a little more, yeah, a little more seductive, little more, like a little more like tactile, like, I don't know, I just expected, just, just, no, I was expecting something different. I was expecting a little more like va-va-voom, I don't know.

Kelli (05:25.609)
Red Room.

Kelli (05:30.015)
I agree with you.

Wendy (05:31.81)
You weren't expecting the Hollywood Palm wallpaper?

Kelli (05:39.581)
I was thinking like red room from 50 Shades of Grey. Not that the room needed to be red, just kind of that vibe.

Wendy (05:42.99)
No, I'm right, right.

We Wine Whenever (05:45.454)
Yeah, yeah, I was just expecting a different vibe, but it was beautiful.

Wendy (05:50.062)
Then we see Kyle and Kathy are checking into the Hollywood Breast Center. Kathy, being Kathy, didn't bring her glasses, so she can't fill out the forms. So Kyle.

Kelli (06:01.149)
She totally did that on purpose, so somebody had to do it for her. She's like, shit, I don't have an employee with me. sorry, Kyle, I forgot my glasses. You're gonna have to do this.

We Wine Whenever (06:06.278)
Mm-hmm.

And we find out Kyle has no implants. Good to know.

Kelli (06:14.041)
did she say that?

We Wine Whenever (06:14.886)
She said that because she had to check it off on the paper. yeah, about herself. Yeah. I just, I never knew that.

Wendy (06:17.162)
Yeah, but I knew she didn't have insulin.

Kelli (06:18.451)
Was she saying that about herself or Kathy?

I thought she did.

Wendy (06:24.992)
No, I didn't think she did.

We Wine Whenever (06:26.662)
All right, well, now I have boot info. Yeah.

Kelli (06:27.837)
I just assume everybody out there does.

Wendy (06:31.316)
I didn't realize about the whole death of their mother that she was diagnosed with stage four breast cancer after missing a mammogram for five years. I did not know that. Honestly, I was shocked and I'm glad that they said that because you know what? I've missed my mammogram for a couple years and I, well, now I'm going to. Now I'm going to because I really, honestly, I was shocked.

We Wine Whenever (06:37.1)
stage four. Yeah.

Kelli (06:41.694)
Me neither.

We Wine Whenever (06:42.02)
No, we need.

Kelli (06:46.323)
Me neither.

We Wine Whenever (06:53.016)
Kelli (06:53.119)
can't do it, you have to go.

We Wine Whenever (06:56.174)
Gotta go.

Kelli (07:01.563)
I have to make a dermatologist appointment because this whole thing with Teddy is scaring the ever loving shit out of me. I feel so bad for her.

We Wine Whenever (07:09.69)
It's horrible. Absolutely horrible.

Wendy (07:10.99)
It's in our lungs now too, did you hear? I know, it's horrible, it's horrible.

Kelli (07:12.593)
I know, I know. I have to call the dermatologist this week.

Wendy (07:19.182)
So Cathy said now that this is out with Moe, how's it going? And she's like, well, he hasn't texted or said anything. And Cathy said, well, when people are quiet, it tells you a lot. I'm like, what is he supposed to say? Seriously, what is he supposed to say?

We Wine Whenever (07:36.942)
Well, I just think that she means,

We Wine Whenever (07:43.642)
I know, the way people act in certain situations is telling about them. So I think that her, she was trying to say like the fact that he didn't text or say anything was very telling to her at least.

Kelli (08:01.041)
I think he's nervous. I think he'd be nervous. Especially, like she said, about, like he's probably freaking out about the kid saying it.

Wendy (08:02.913)
Ahem.

We Wine Whenever (08:10.099)
Right. Well, Kyle said she knows him very well and he's freaking out. And, you know, interestingly, Kathy said Mo is sensitive and scared. I don't know.

Kelli (08:24.671)
So that leads me to believe that what you just said, Wendy, is probably very true. He had no idea. And then all of a sudden the pictures come out and he's like, shit.

Wendy (08:31.725)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (08:34.726)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (08:34.742)
Right. Yeah, that's what I think happened.

Kelli (08:37.041)
Not that he shouldn't be out doing what he wants again because they're separated, but the fact that the pictures came out, he didn't tell Kyle, he didn't address it with his daughters.

We Wine Whenever (08:46.798)
Right. And I thought it was interesting how Cathy said like how Kyle is the stronger one in the relationship.

Wendy (08:47.064)
Right. Right.

Kelli (08:55.111)
I thought that was interesting too.

Wendy (08:58.572)
Well, yeah, that is interesting. It is interesting. And Kyle agreed. So it's not like, you know, it's not like Kathy was just, you know, in her own world as she normally is, but she was actually right on with that.

We Wine Whenever (09:03.643)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:11.261)
I think when it comes to your kids and their reactions to things, think we as moms can take it a little bit more and handle it a little bit sturdier.

Wendy (09:21.238)
Yeah, I think that that's true too. I think that's true. I thought the whole, I thought it was interesting about the Instagram and she went and checked his bio. I had to check my bio. was like, I don't even know what my bio says on Instagram.

We Wine Whenever (09:26.32)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:37.645)
me neither.

We Wine Whenever (09:38.458)
Yeah, I thought it was a little messed up that he didn't have father. think that's a little... I don't know, but guys are... they don't think about that stuff.

Wendy (09:43.182)
Well, and again, I don't know if he changed it or that's how it always was to be quite honest with you because when I checked mine I have nothing on there. I don't have mom, wife. I have nothing.

Kelli (09:49.597)
Right. So-

We Wine Whenever (09:50.416)
Right.

Kelli (09:54.739)
That's what I was gonna say. I would imagine I don't ever remember doing it. I don't ever remember checking any boxes, so mine probably doesn't have anything on it either.

Wendy (10:02.846)
Right. you know, I don't think he's that social media savvy that he consciously went over and changed it and would take off husband and father. I don't think it was ever there. That's what I got from it because then I was like, wait a second, let me check mine. I was like, wait, I don't have any. I don't have anything. But then she did take off wife. So, I mean, listen, I think if I...

We Wine Whenever (10:03.259)
Right.

Kelli (10:16.113)
I agree.

We Wine Whenever (10:16.685)
I don't know.

Kelli (10:23.017)
Yeah, I gotta check mine, but I probably don't either.

Wendy (10:32.098)
realize that, that he didn't have a husband, I would probably take off wife too. But I don't think he ever had it on. That's my guess.

Kelli (10:36.905)
Sure.

We Wine Whenever (10:42.054)
That's your guess, yeah.

Kelli (10:42.239)
I completely disagree with Kathy where she said Moe's not in a position to pay anybody off. We've had this conversation.

Wendy (10:48.206)
I thought that was so interesting that she said that.

We Wine Whenever (10:53.254)
Well, maybe like, maybe when she compares her money to his money, he don't have any money. Maybe that's, maybe she's just out of touch and she just think, you know I'm saying? Maybe to her.

Kelli (10:53.663)
I call bullshit on that.

Wendy (10:55.905)
I did.

Kelli (10:58.981)
sure when she compares her money to his money but...

Wendy (11:06.956)
I don't know. I did see something on social media. I didn't look it up, but it said something like, all those agencies are not Mo's, that they're all franchised. I don't know if that's true or not, but either way, we already looked it up. Like, Kyle's just below Kathy. Right?

Kelli (11:14.239)
their franchises.

Kelli (11:22.247)
Exactly. He's got plenty of money to pay people off. He could throw a 20 grand at somebody and pay them off. He's got that in the blink of an eye. She's spending half, she's spending that on bags and she's spending half that on sunglasses, so.

We Wine Whenever (11:23.098)
Yeah, I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (11:35.898)
Right. Yeah, I don't know.

Wendy (11:38.754)
I mean, Cathy said that there's ways of finding out who did orchestrate it.

We Wine Whenever (11:43.194)
I loved when she said that. was like, you go, girl. Yeah.

Kelli (11:44.664)
I think, if anybody can find out, it's Cathy. I like when she was like, she did the eyes. She is funny.

Wendy (11:47.383)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (11:50.276)
Yeah. She was like, one ringy dingy, two ringy dingy. I loved it.

Wendy (11:50.474)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (11:56.285)
That was great. One ringy dingy, two ringy dingy.

We Wine Whenever (11:57.475)
That was good.

Wendy (12:00.672)
And then the radiologist comes in and says everything's good. So they got good news about their mammogram. So that was good news. Then Garcelle goes over to Sutton's store and Sutton's telling Garcelle about how her mom's flight was canceled. I don't know what happened there, but it is sad that her mother was not able to make it.

Kelli (12:14.835)
Yeah.

Kelli (12:20.871)
and spent 13 hours at the airport.

Wendy (12:23.478)
Yes, but I do have to say if Sutton has all this money she has, she could have hired a private plane.

Kelli (12:31.551)
I literally have the same note written down. Why didn't you rent a private plane to get your mother to LA?

We Wine Whenever (12:32.71)
Yeah

Wendy (12:34.441)
Why was there no private plane?

Wendy (12:39.702)
Yes. I don't get that. I mean, you've got this big wallet you're standing on.

Kelli (12:43.805)
That's right. Open that big wallet, Sutton. Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (12:44.974)
Yeah. big boy. So how about when Cathy said, we've all heard all the rumors about him talking about Maurizio.

Wendy (12:55.374)
but we've never seen any pictures. And that's what I've said.

We Wine Whenever (12:57.412)
Yeah. And no one has cut right. No one has come out, which I thought was a very telling statement. So it's like, is she talking about since they've been separated or is she talking about for a while? Yeah.

Wendy (13:12.574)
No, I think she's talking about in general. I think she's talking about in general. And that's what everyone has been saying. And that's exactly what I said is that, you know, there's been rumors about it, but we've never, no one's ever come out and said it. We've never seen pictures. We've never seen anything. So,

Kelli (13:13.979)
In general, in general.

We Wine Whenever (13:26.491)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (13:30.534)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (13:30.825)
Well, there was that time when Brandy brought those magazines on vacation with them, when Lisa Vanderpump supposedly told her to bring them. And they were all, like three different magazines were alleging that he was being unfaithful. I don't know what was in them, because I didn't care enough to buy them to say, but.

Wendy (13:47.468)
Yeah, was gonna say, right, were there pictures? I mean, I don't know.

Kelli (13:51.977)
I don't know. I-I-

We Wine Whenever (13:53.094)
I'm just curious as to whether Cathy thinks that I wonder what her opinion is of whether Mo has cheated in their relationship before they got separated.

Kelli (14:06.321)
I think Cathy knows for sure either way whether or not he did and she's not saying out of respect for Kyle.

We Wine Whenever (14:09.006)
Either way, probably, absolutely. Is she not saying? Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (14:15.544)
That could be very true. Yeah. I mean, if she wanted to know, she would know, right? Then what happens? So the big question between Garcelle and Sutton's like, well, the big question is, do I invite Dory to the fashion show? And Garcelle suggests she does a group text, which, you know, I that was the perfect solution to that problem, right?

Kelli (14:16.701)
Of course you would now.

Kelli (14:21.192)
Right.

Kelli (14:39.409)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (14:40.15)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (14:43.968)
And then once she gets that out of the way, Sutton jumps in, can we get into the Kyle of it? The fact that she turned Kyle's name into a verb. I didn't, honestly, I really didn't like that. I really didn't. I mean, you're supposed to be her friend.

Kelli (14:58.451)
I don't think Sutton's anybody's friend right now.

Wendy (15:00.61)
I mean, am I wrong in this? Like, did you see it that way? Like, she just, like, she wanted to talk trash about her. I don't like that. I really don't. I don't.

Kelli (15:07.583)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (15:07.75)
Mm-hmm.

How about when Sutton said, Moe get your dentures out.

Wendy (15:16.984)
When did it, wait, no, when did that happen?

We Wine Whenever (15:17.2)
Did you guys hear that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She said, Mo, get your dentures out. Cause she was talking to Garcelle about the girl he was kissing.

Kelli (15:18.417)
I didn't catch that either.

Wendy (15:28.285)
implying because he was so old? That he had dentures? no.

We Wine Whenever (15:28.676)
Yeah. Compared to the girl. Yeah. You didn't hear that? that's a girl. Yeah. And then, you know, that girl did like the full like, she was digging them hard because she did like that full leg lift in the back, the whole thing. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. That's what I'm saying. She was like...

Kelli (15:42.892)
yeah, she was just wrapping herself right around him.

Wendy (15:47.448)
think she was performing. That's why I think she is the one who set this up. I think that she knew about it. Yeah.

Kelli (15:48.927)
For sure.

We Wine Whenever (15:53.934)
Yeah, she was full tilt into it. Like, yeah, that was a production. You know what I'm saying?

Kelli (15:59.293)
Yep. Yep.

Wendy (15:59.414)
Yeah. Sutton thinks that Kyle needs to wake up and see the truth.

Kelli (16:04.073)
She says she thinks she's waiting for Mo to come back.

Wendy (16:07.67)
Yeah, but Sutton and Garcelle have both been through this before, so they think that she just needs to get an attorney.

We Wine Whenever (16:16.57)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (16:18.654)
You know, listen, Kyle's a smart woman. She will figure it out. I don't think her situation is, as far as an attorney goes, as dire as Dorit's. I think Dorit needs to get an attorney. I think that...

Kelli (16:29.189)
No. Well, yeah, because Kyle and Mo are way past the 10 year mark. So it's 50-50. It's 50-50. Especially everything with the agency because he started it while they were married. He didn't even have it before. I mean, they had nothing, like she said, they had nothing. They were both real estate agents. So everything he's gotten since, it's 50-50. Kyle's gonna be just fine.

We Wine Whenever (16:29.786)
Yeah.

Wendy (16:34.698)
Yes. All right.

Wendy (16:50.382)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (16:55.478)
Yeah. Yeah, no, definitely. Definitely. Yeah.

Kelli (16:58.419)
But Dorie should die. I mean, I think we're beyond the 10 year mark now, so she's probably fine, but Piki don't have anything.

Wendy (17:03.842)
Yeah, but she should still get a good lawyer.

We Wine Whenever (17:05.572)
Right? Yeah.

Kelli (17:07.773)
She should get a good lawyer because quite honestly PK is gonna probably go after her for something. He doesn't have anything. She's the one holding the bag now with the show

We Wine Whenever (17:12.634)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (17:16.314)
Right. She got the paycheck.

Wendy (17:16.494)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (17:18.057)
So she definitely should lawyer up. Quickly. Quickly.

Wendy (17:24.664)
So then after that, see Erica and her mom, they're sitting in the cabana and they're having champagne. And her mom says that she's really proud of Erica, which was very nice.

We Wine Whenever (17:33.306)
Yeah, difference between her and Scott and Samar. Yeah.

Wendy (17:37.398)
And Reba?

Kelli (17:38.627)
Yeah, and it's interesting because they're from the same area, right? I mean, and Sutton are from the same area. Right, it's just, you know, people keep saying the Southern thing, the Southern thing. Well, Erica's mom's from the same area and she seems, and is vocal about being very proud of her daughter.

Wendy (17:43.212)
Well, just because you're from this team. Yeah, but that doesn't mean anything about, you know.

Wendy (18:00.46)
Yeah. I mean, especially since what she went through with Tom. I mean, that's a lot.

We Wine Whenever (18:00.634)
Right. And I thought...

Yeah, and I thought that she was really, you know, kudos to Erica for being totally brutally honest. And, you know, she said Erica was proud of herself for not, you know, succumbing.

And that it was a real option. I really give her a lot of credit for, you know, because when you get depressed and you're in that deep, dark pit, it is not a nice place to be and not easy to get out of. So I really gave her a lot of credit for actually admitting that.

Kelli (18:26.066)
Yeah.

Kelli (18:33.78)
Right.

Wendy (18:35.693)
Right.

Kelli (18:38.825)
Yeah. Yeah. Sure.

Wendy (18:41.666)
I do too. And she also said, which I thought shows the growth, that she thinks of Tom less and less.

Kelli (18:49.159)
Yeah, she did say that.

Wendy (18:51.084)
which, you know, there was a trial coming up and, you know, she doesn't even want to, you know, open those old wounds.

Kelli (18:57.353)
She just wants to look forward to the new chapter. So his trial is going to start and she has nothing to do with it. She's clear on everything, right?

Wendy (18:59.926)
next chapter.

Wendy (19:08.62)
honestly don't know what she's referring to because this was last year so I'm not sure what exactly she's referring to and to be quite honest with you I keep reading all these things about Erica selling all these houses all over the place and having all this money I don't know where all that all those houses came from or these things

We Wine Whenever (19:13.436)
yeah.

Kelli (19:17.599)
Yeah, because we haven't heard anything in the news about it.

Kelli (19:26.409)
Right.

Kelli (19:29.843)
Well, remember when they were in Palm Springs and they, guess they were, she found out they owned a house there. I mean, that had to be a couple of million dollars.

Wendy (19:33.806)
Yeah, and she found out.

Right. Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (19:41.04)
But who knows if all that's even true.

Wendy (19:43.574)
Again, I don't know that. That's what I'm saying. I see all this stuff online, but I don't know if any of it's true. I don't know if it's any of it's true, but I'm proud of her. Listen, she actually, she did write a book, Erica, already. Yes. But she should write another book on the other side of this whole situation, where she's at today. Because I really think that it would help a lot of people. And I think it would be good for her, just to put it in writing and to...

We Wine Whenever (19:44.774)
I

Kelli (19:45.097)
Right.

Kelli (19:48.393)
Right.

Kelli (19:57.108)
Really?

We Wine Whenever (20:04.25)
Right, coming in on the other side.

Kelli (20:10.974)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:11.706)
Yeah, very cathartic.

Wendy (20:13.58)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (20:15.263)
I like that she said she doesn't want to be married again. I don't think, you know, I'm sure after going through this, she's like, yeah, I'm all set. I'll make my own money, thank you.

Wendy (20:17.878)
I do too. I do too.

Wendy (20:24.696)
Well, she likes her autonomy. Right, she's standing on her own. She doesn't need to rely on anybody. And I think that's powerful, right? Mm-hmm. Then Dorit and Gorsel meet up for dinner. That was weird.

We Wine Whenever (20:35.354)
Yeah, good for her.

We Wine Whenever (20:41.958)
And the waiter, the waiter was, sweat was rolling down his face. And I'm thinking, what is up with the cameraman? Like you couldn't help that brother out? Like you couldn't like give him a little dab? But then when he came back, it was gone. So I was like, okay, at least somebody hooked you up that time. But why would you let the man go out there like that? Come on.

Kelli (20:48.521)
Ha ha ha.

Kelli (20:53.767)
He was probably so nervous being on camera.

Wendy (21:03.79)
So I thought it was weird that they met up to begin with to be quite honest with you. But Garcelle said when Dorit apologized at Bose's Wellness, she thought that this was a good time for them to start again. So I guess that's why she agreed to or, you know, whatever, whatever the reason was. Dorit said that her and PK are status quo right now and she'll take that.

Kelli (21:08.211)
Yeah.

Wendy (21:33.804)
Then they start talking about the pictures with Moe. And they're talking about Kyle taking off wife off her Instagram. And how there's pictures of her on the sidelines at Morgan's concerts right after that. This is the other thing that they do that really does drive me crazy. She was living her life. It's not like she...

We Wine Whenever (21:49.99)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (21:59.872)
She was living her life. again, like where was she supposed to be? Like in a corner? Like what was she supposed to do? She was out in public. That's how you live your life.

We Wine Whenever (22:05.87)
Right. Right.

Kelli (22:08.191)
So I agree with you and I don't think there was anything wrong with her posting any pictures, but But she did post a lot with her Morgan No Right, but the thing is is that there were rumors surrounding That her that they were dating that they were in an intimate relationship

Wendy (22:12.238)
She didn't post it!

I know, but she didn't post that picture that they're all talking about.

Kelli (22:30.719)
So if you're not in an intimate relationship with somebody and you're a public figure and people are saying you are and there are heavy rumors going around, you continuously posting pictures with that person are going to perpetuate the rumor.

We Wine Whenever (22:45.53)
Right, well there was a big thing about this on the after show that we'll get to. But there was a lot of discussion amongst the girls about that very topic.

Kelli (22:49.193)
Okay.

Kelli (22:54.481)
Okay. But Garcelle's basically saying that she thinks that Mo probably thought it was okay to post this picture because of the pictures with Kyle and Morgan, right? Maybe he did.

Wendy (23:02.862)
Yes, that's what Garcell is... No, but he didn't. He didn't know about the picture.

Kelli (23:09.011)
But maybe he didn't feel a certain way about it and call Kyle about it because he's like, she's putting pictures out of her and Morgan, so. Or there are pictures out about her, you know, with her and Morgan, so. What am I worried about?

We Wine Whenever (23:23.438)
Maybe.

Kelli (23:24.285)
Maybe that's what Garcelle was saying.

We Wine Whenever (23:26.394)
Right.

Wendy (23:28.43)
I just, this is what I don't like. I don't like that first of all, listen, Garcell and Kyle are not close. They're not. But Dorit and Kyle were supposed to be getting back to being close, right? Sutton and Kyle were close. And I don't like that when they are with Garcell, they don't have a problem badmouthing Kyle. I don't like that. I don't like that.

Kelli (23:53.683)
Very solid point. Yep. Yep.

Wendy (23:56.768)
It's fake and it's phony. And that is something that actually happened on the after show. At one point, Garcelle and Sutton and Jennifer Tilly were all talking and Sutton wouldn't agree with what they were saying about Kyle. And she said, I'm not gonna say that. And Garcelle was getting mad at her and kind of confronting her. She was like confronting her. And I'm like, you know what? That was the first time I thought, okay, good, you're not trashing her, cause she's supposed to be your friend.

We Wine Whenever (24:16.004)
Yes, she was getting mad. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (24:17.769)
Really?

Kelli (24:25.853)
Right, right.

Wendy (24:26.37)
I mean, yeah, you know you're on camera because you're sitting there and they're asking you questions on an after show, but this is the same thing, you know? I just don't, I don't like that. I think it's phony. I think it's phony.

Kelli (24:33.961)
Yeah.

Kelli (24:39.135)
Yeah, no, you're right.

We Wine Whenever (24:41.67)
So then you get down to what the lunch was really about, which was Garcelle saying to Dorit, what's your problem with sun? You know?

Wendy (24:51.083)
Right.

Kelli (24:51.165)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (24:53.539)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (24:55.682)
And I think, think Garcelle to some extent, think Dorit's a little bit correct that Garcelle does have some rose colored glasses on when it comes to Sun and her behavior.

Kelli (25:06.481)
Yeah, of course she does. She's just always got her back, which is being a great friend, but when you're on a show like this, you have to try to see things a different way, you know, from every one side. At least she did say, Garcelle did say that what she said about the wallet was mean.

Wendy (25:19.544)
Well, I-

Wendy (25:24.558)
Well, that's only because Dorit asked her. And then Dorit said, well, then why didn't you say something at the time? And that is true. Why didn't you say something at the time? Because you're her friend. She would have heard it from you.

Kelli (25:33.673)
Right.

Mm-hmm. Right.

We Wine Whenever (25:37.04)
Right. Now, Garcelle's confessional, like during that time, they just got a serious blur filter on it. And then when she moves a certain way, like it gets weird and wonky. So yeah, if you have a chance to watch it again or whatever, or fast forward to that part where Garcelle's in her confessional, a serious blur filter. And like even sometimes like...

Kelli (25:52.403)
Really?

Kelli (26:01.673)
Okay.

Wendy (26:02.702)
I didn't notice that.

We Wine Whenever (26:04.919)
it will get to a blur like of her mouth. It's very interesting. At least to me, I don't know. You know how I like to look for the weird things.

Kelli (26:09.417)
pay attention that.

Kelli (26:15.103)
We appreciate that. Thank you.

Wendy (26:15.16)
So Gar, yeah, Garcelle does say to Dorit, well, if she gave you a Kelly bag, that change things? And she said, absolutely, we would be best friends.

Kelli (26:24.895)
She was totally joking, on social media she's getting heat for it.

We Wine Whenever (26:25.222)
I think she was joking.

We Wine Whenever (26:30.592)
I'm sure. Dory. Yeah.

Wendy (26:31.202)
Who's getting heat, Garcelle? Dorit. Dorit was totally joking.

Kelli (26:32.415)
Dory Dory

She was definitely joking.

Wendy (26:37.462)
And Garcelle was joking too. I mean, it was a joke between both of them. please.

Kelli (26:39.143)
Exactly, but they're like people of course are taking it serious on social media, but people are, you know, just sitting in their basements, pounding out the comments, calling us old hags. I read one to Eric the other day about us being old hags. He hasn't let it go. He keeps referencing it every day. Hey, old hag.

We Wine Whenever (26:46.0)
Stupid. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (26:47.711)
Yeah.

Wendy (26:51.966)
You did? Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (26:58.768)
I'm sure. You'll probably get your t-shirt with it on or something. Yeah.

Wendy (26:58.816)
that's good. That's good. We're spinsters. We've been called spinsters too. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (27:05.158)
But you know, oh yeah, Spencer's too. You know, like it was, I feel like it was a perfect opportunity for Garcelle to say to Durie, you know, look, yeah, what she said about you, while it was mean, it was out of line, but Sutton's just coming off a really hard time when we were in, you know I'm saying? She didn't have to necessarily divulge any, too many specifics, but she could have like,

Kelli (27:06.687)
spinsters

We Wine Whenever (27:34.178)
Let Durie know a little bit more where Sutton's head is at with all this going on with revisiting home and her mom and her dad.

Kelli (27:44.465)
Yeah, cause that was heavy.

We Wine Whenever (27:45.264)
But it's a produced TV show, so I don't know what I'm really expecting here.

Kelli (27:48.127)
Right.

Wendy (27:49.71)
Well, maybe we'll see it on the reunion. Like maybe we'll see some of that kind of stuff on the reunion. That it will come out. Like, know, Dorit will learn, obviously, because she'll have seen the show and she'll have a different take on the way things went down when she knows what happened prior, you know?

Kelli (27:59.517)
right.

We Wine Whenever (28:05.339)
Bye.

Wendy (28:09.388)
So it's the day of the fashion show and Sutton's talking about how she has a lot riding on this. There's a lot of press there, Vogue, WWD, buyers, celebrities, everyone's gonna be there. I thought it was funny that Jennifer said Sutton asked me to walk in her show but she doesn't realize that I'm a celebrity. I think that's so funny. It's so funny. Doesn't she know?

We Wine Whenever (28:28.92)
morning lover.

Kelli (28:33.263)
I loved when Bo said, I don't want to look better than the bride at the wedding, but sometimes you just can't help yourself. That was so good.

Wendy (28:39.022)
I also thought it was funny when Jennifer says that she doesn't really understand or know what sustainable fashion is. And then on the after show and in the confessionals, pretty much everyone else was saying the same thing. Like they didn't really get it. But Bose actually did understand it.

We Wine Whenever (28:39.119)
She's so funny.

We Wine Whenever (28:52.249)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (29:04.647)
Of course she did, she's been corporate.

We Wine Whenever (29:04.9)
Yes, of course you did. Yeah.

Wendy (29:06.836)
Yes, and she was trying to explain it to Dorit. But Dorit wasn't having... Dorit doesn't... no, Dorit is... you didn't watch the after show. You'll have to wait. What? wait. You'll have... No, no, you'll have to wait because... No, we could just put it up. We'll just talk about it now. So Dorit's big thing... All right, so I'll start with this. Dorit's big thing is... Dorit's a designer, right?

Kelli (29:12.415)
Dorit didn't get it?

Kelli (29:19.015)
I didn't watch the after show. Dorit doesn't understand what sustainable fashion is. Give me a break.

We Wine Whenever (29:19.034)
Yeah, we'll talk about it. Yeah, we'll talk about it.

We Wine Whenever (29:29.761)
okay. I gotta find it.

Wendy (29:36.278)
She's a She was a designer before she met PK. She came out with the Beverly Beach and she's a designer. So what she is saying is, and she's made these comments to Sutton. She was coming for her fashion. So she believes that she is taking designer clothes and putting her label on it.

Yes, so she doesn't understand that it's not, Dorit's take on it, because Bo says, if you had a line and it didn't sell, would you rather sell it at a discount or put it in a landfill? She's like, I'd cut it up and put it in a landfill. Because she, as a designer, thinks it's devaluing the brand, the designer brand.

Kelli (30:18.003)
Well, what's devaluing your brand is that it's not selling.

Wendy (30:22.232)
Well, it's still not selling if it's got Sutton's label on it or it's in a landfill. So either way, it's not selling. But she is really like, you know, she thinks that this is a copycat line. She thinks what she's doing is a copycat line. That she's designer things that were going to go into a landfill and putting her label on them. Right?

Kelli (30:22.964)
Yeah.

Kelli (30:27.516)
Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (30:48.814)
Right. Yeah.

Kelli (30:49.609)
I mean, she's not wrong, right?

We Wine Whenever (30:51.972)
Well, this is the thing. have this whole, I figured this whole thing out with Sud. Okay.

Kelli (30:55.793)
Is she like, refiguring the pieces?

Wendy (30:55.863)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (30:59.311)
This is her deal.

We Wine Whenever (31:06.32)
Be a snoot.

We Wine Whenever (31:10.118)
No.

I went on her website and.

What it says here is, okay, Circular Fashion House, Sutton, she has a green label, which was founded with the intent to provide a simple and fashionable way for customers to adopt more sustainable purchasing habits. Circular fashion is a movement towards a brighter, more sustainable future, blah, blah, blah. Okay, so what the deal is,

She partnered with, it's called The Return, a nationwide network of neighborhood return bins that are keyed into local clothing recyclers, remake-ers, resellers, and charities. At Returns Hubs, customers can trade in used items for credit or return unused merchandise. All merchandise goes from the Returns Hub directly to the

best second life option for the item using the returns proprietary cloud-based software. Then she says that she partnered with some guy, and this is interesting because I believe he was in Houston. And when she's talking about her store,

We Wine Whenever (32:46.638)
which now is only open by appointment. Her store.

Wendy (32:50.247)
Right. Yes, it's more of a showroom because she has a warehouse in the back.

Kelli (32:54.397)
And she does online shopping, right?

We Wine Whenever (32:54.414)
Right, she said all of our stock was shipped to Houston, all of her store stock. That's what she said. And why can I not?

Wendy (32:56.172)
Yes.

Wendy (33:05.419)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (33:11.632)
But it's very involved, her clothing thing.

Wendy (33:14.786)
Well, Kyle was saying in her confessional, she's like, does Sutton really care that much about the environment? Because that's what the claim to fame for this sustainable clothing line is, is that it's so.

We Wine Whenever (33:25.124)
right.

Kelli (33:28.585)
believe she is though. mean, obviously she wants to make money, but if this is a trend that fashion is following, then I think she's on par with it. I mean, you know what Tess does with the Depop. She goes and buys things secondhand and she reconfigures it though. Well, not always, not always.

Wendy (33:48.726)
Yeah, but that's different. Yeah, but that's different. And that's different because she doesn't, she's not putting her own label on it. Right. And that's different. And I think that that's like legit what Tess is doing. And that's kind of what, you know, I get it. If Doritza, you know, she's a designer. That's, you know, she's insulted by this whole thing.

Kelli (33:53.289)
She's not putting her own label on it. Got it. Got it.

Kelli (34:02.706)
Right. Right, right, right.

Kelli (34:09.276)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (34:13.752)
Yeah. And Kyle was on the after show. Kyle was like, you know, I see things with, name it, name them on it. Yeah. She put that on some stuff and she said, I saw like little appliques and Kyle said that her show didn't seem cohesive.

Wendy (34:21.888)
Name them. Yeah.

Yeah. Right.

Kelli (34:31.507)
I thought the show was half-assed. And I'm no fashion show expert.

We Wine Whenever (34:34.104)
Yeah. And Erica said, I don't know where she gets these things or if she redesigned them. And Kyle said, I don't know if she is a designer. don't know what's happening. Boz says that she thinks it's when fashion is sitting on a shelf and not bought instead of going to landfill is brought to like another shelf.

Wendy (34:39.992)
going to win an award. Right.

Wendy (35:02.252)
Right.

Kelli (35:02.931)
Yeah, see, I personally don't think there's anything wrong with it. I don't know about putting your own label on it though. I don't think she should be putting her own label on it.

We Wine Whenever (35:07.93)
Right.

Right. And Kyle was like, well, you know, I have this Prada skirt. if I want to sell it, do I have my putting my, you know what mean?

Wendy (35:16.118)
Right. Exactly. Exactly. That's what she said. Yeah.

Kelli (35:20.489)
Yeah, like you can sell it without putting your label on it and not owe anybody else money. You got it, now you can sell it, right? Like you owe Prada money because you got the Prada skirt and now you're selling it.

We Wine Whenever (35:30.808)
Right, so.

Wendy (35:30.892)
Yeah, it's not like it's-

Wendy (35:35.34)
It's, listen, it's not illegal what she's doing, but, you know, I per, I don't know.

Kelli (35:39.263)
Right.

Kelli (35:43.667)
To have a whole fashion show surrounded about it is a big, big move.

Wendy (35:47.618)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (35:50.182)
Yeah. All right. So I finally found it. All right.

Wendy (35:54.402)
And I didn't see anything in there that I was like, my God, that's so cool. Wish I had that.

Kelli (35:57.883)
Not at all. I did like Jennifer Tilly's dress, like the sweater dress. I like a sweater dress. I did like-

We Wine Whenever (36:02.276)
Right. So her green label is partnering with Retail Reworks. They are experts in reworking textile items, turning factory seconds or returned items into fashion forward pieces. Retail Reworks is owned by this guy named Brian Adams, and this is who Sutton hooked up with. So I think what the deal is,

is this Brian Adams has all these pieces of clothing that get returned or were sitting on a shelf and were unsold. And I think he, because he has a manufacturing facility also, I think he reworks these clothes and she is peddling them for him. So on our website it said, rights. Right.

Kelli (36:55.699)
Okay, well she's the bigger name, even though his name is Brian Adams. Not the same though. Not the heaven, Brian Adams.

Wendy (37:00.27)
It's

We Wine Whenever (37:00.906)
But on the website it said 70 % of return items either get destroyed or put in landfills and the equivalent of one garbage truck full of merchandise is either burned or dumped in a landfill every second. So, yeah, I mean, there is something to what she's trying to do.

Kelli (37:19.167)
That's a lot.

We Wine Whenever (37:30.436)
I just don't think that.

I don't think it's necessarily she explained it correctly, like, because it's very confusing. Her website's confusing. It's just not. It could be a really cool thing that she's trying to do, but I don't think she explained it correctly. So.

Kelli (37:45.46)
Yeah.

Wendy (37:50.979)
Yeah, I I'm so

We Wine Whenever (37:53.518)
And then it's supposedly her brand, then there's Sutton Brands, where that's all about pairing celebrities with existing sustainable brands to create a custom collection of clothing, housewares and collectibles that showcase their unique aesthetic. Sutton Brands will incubate sustainable brands using a revenue share model that benefits all parties.

The brands benefit from the influencer's name recognition and the influencer slash celebrity can launch their own line of personal products. So that's straight from her website. It's not clear. It's nothing clear. And I think that it's really not that involved, but it's just not explained correctly.

Kelli (38:35.185)
Right. Right. Right.

Wendy (38:45.848)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (38:47.162)
That's a conclusion I came to.

Wendy (38:49.25)
Yeah, no, like, listen, it is not clear. I don't think Sutton's ever explained it to any of us, so, right?

We Wine Whenever (38:57.282)
No, nor the people that she works with.

Kelli (38:58.653)
It's basically to prevent clothes from winding up in a landfill. Okay. Well, I loved when Jennifer Tilly said she was happy she was walking in the show because she likes people looking at her.

We Wine Whenever (39:02.586)
right.

Wendy (39:10.752)
I know, I know. And Garcelle was, she is funny. Garcelle was nervous because Jade was walking in the show.

We Wine Whenever (39:10.81)
He's funny.

Kelli (39:13.183)
She's so funny.

Kelli (39:19.111)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (39:19.622)
I loved Garcelle's dress and I loved Cathy Hilton's dress. I thought Dorit the fashion queen could have worn something a little snappier.

Kelli (39:22.077)
Mmm. I always love Garstels dresses.

Kelli (39:31.391)
They probably did it on purpose because it was Sutton's show. Sheena Shay was there.

Wendy (39:35.586)
Sheena was there, yep. Kyle, when she arrives, says that she's not gonna be talking to the press and I do not blame her.

Kelli (39:42.719)
Mm-mm. Don't blame her at all. Love your life, Kyle.

We Wine Whenever (39:42.989)
No, I don't blame her at all.

Wendy (39:44.974)
I did think it was interesting and it didn't even occur to me that Kyle was drinking that big mug of beer and then I was like, non-alcoholic, but it really did look like this big, I mean, but whatever, is what it is, right? But Doreen had a comment on it.

Kelli (40:01.107)
Yeah, no, that's what Eric has. If we go out to a bar, you know, if Eric's in a position where he can get, he'll get a non-alcoholic beer.

Wendy (40:08.556)
Yeah, mean, listen, I think it's a great alternative. from what Carl and Summerhouse was saying, or even a lot of people, like lot of people are drinking non-alcoholic beverages. It's a big thing now.

Kelli (40:10.889)
Sure.

Kelli (40:19.648)
yeah, Sober Curious is very big and I think it's great. I should probably try it.

Wendy (40:21.866)
Yeah, I do too.

Kelli (40:26.195)
Tess is like, know, you could, cause I was like, when am going to give up for when? Which I didn't, but I am going to, well, it doesn't matter what I'm going to do. But Tess was like, well, you could give up alcohol. I was like.

We Wine Whenever (40:39.608)
Yeah, I could.

Wendy (40:40.268)
I mean, that's a brand risk. Listen, I'm not gonna allow you to do that. I mean, we are cold, we whine whenever, so no.

Kelli (40:41.247)
Exactly. As my friends, would need you two to step in and be like, listen.

Wendy (40:49.814)
Yeah, I got you. got you. I got you. Yeah, I got you. I got you. Sorry. Garsel says that she thinks that Sutton has a void for validation from her family. You think? Yeah. Dorit asks Kyle how she's doing. She said better today. Kyle does say that Mo did text.

We Wine Whenever (40:50.64)
Wendy has done that several times.

Kelli (40:53.095)
Nobody likes a quitter, all right? Thank you, appreciate it.

We Wine Whenever (41:07.642)
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

Kelli (41:07.645)
I think she hit the nail on the head with that, yeah.

Wendy (41:18.318)
her finally and it was an apology.

Kelli (41:24.317)
And she said the same thing, she thinks that the model.

Wendy (41:26.05)
thinks the models, I do too, I do too. Cathy shows up and says she thinks she may have broken her knee and they're like, wait, what? I guess she tripped walking in. Sutton is very nervous and scared. Cathy gets up and before she even got up, she said to Kyle, I'm gonna go see if Sutton needs help if she wants Dorit to do and I'm almost like, wait, what? And Kyle even was like, wait, But she gets up and goes in the back to talk to Sutton and.

We Wine Whenever (41:27.805)
huh.

Kelli (41:54.247)
and walks as slow as a slug getting there.

We Wine Whenever (41:57.306)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (41:57.42)
Yep. Walks in the back to talk to Sutton just before the fashion show's about to start and asks her if she wants Dorit to narrate it. And she said, no, there's no narration. Like this is a real fashion show. So Kathy gets,

Kelli (42:13.279)
Cathy's like, I know.

We Wine Whenever (42:16.026)
Yeah, then get the fuck out!

Kelli (42:16.905)
Well then you would know that nobody's narrating it. Go sit down, Kathy.

We Wine Whenever (42:19.716)
Right? There's no MC!

Wendy (42:26.274)
walks back out on the stage. She doesn't even know she's on the stage. When she walks behind the curtain, she doesn't know. She doesn't know where she is.

Kelli (42:34.089)
She has no idea and who does she stop to talk to? Erica's mom? And that model all but pushed her out of the way when she walked out. I kind of wish she did push her.

We Wine Whenever (42:36.964)
Yeah, but listen.

Wendy (42:37.002)
Erica's mom.

We Wine Whenever (42:42.31)
That was great. loved it.

Wendy (42:42.562)
That model was so sweet about it though. Did you see? I thought she was very nice about it.

Kelli (42:48.221)
I mean, the poor girl would be exalted back to where she came from and would never work in Hollywood again, but it would have been sweet if she just gave her a little elbow.

We Wine Whenever (42:57.894)
But listen, listen, I don't know. The more I watch Kathy Hilton, is she crazy or is she crazy like a fox, that one? Uh-huh, yeah, exactly what she's doing.

Kelli (43:06.249)
She's crazy like a fox. She knows exactly what she's doing. Kathy Hilton knows exactly what she's doing. Yes, she does. And she can get away with it. She's running Hollywood apparently. She's hiding things. she's crazy like a fox. She knows exactly what she's doing. I don't think she's mean-spirited. I don't think she is... What's the word I'm looking for? I don't think...

Wendy (43:09.398)
You did not.

We Wine Whenever (43:13.168)
Yes, she does.

Wendy (43:13.634)
She did not know. She did not know. She's not running Hollywood.

No.

We Wine Whenever (43:22.894)
I think she's crazy like a fox too.

Wendy (43:24.598)
Nope, she had no-

Kelli (43:34.503)
She's a cruel person or anything like that. But like this kind of stuff, she knew what she was doing. She knew the fashion show was about to start. Sutton Olbott pushed her out of there and said, we're starting now. And she stood there and talked to Erica's mom. She just doesn't give a fuck.

We Wine Whenever (43:40.326)
She knows.

Wendy (43:48.918)
No, on the after show, she said that first of all, she's been to many fashion shows and they never start on time. She thought it was gonna be at least another 30 minutes or so. And then when she came back out, she saw Erica's mom there and she didn't get a chance to talk to her before and she wanted to say hi to her and then didn't realize that she was, she didn't know where she was standing.

We Wine Whenever (44:00.71)
Jesus, holy shit.

Kelli (44:02.537)
She's so full of shit.

We Wine Whenever (44:15.59)
Stop it!

Wendy (44:18.528)
I'm sorry. I believe her. stand by... I believe her.

We Wine Whenever (44:18.63)
for god's sake. I have it written down like girl what you forgot the conversation you had before you got up? Don't act don't be acting like yeah.

Kelli (44:20.351)
She's full of shit. She's so full of shit.

Kelli (44:30.175)
She's either crazy like a fox or she has like early onset Alzheimer's.

We Wine Whenever (44:34.404)
Yeah, don't be acting like you didn't just say before you got up. let me go back there and cause some trouble. Like that's the reason why you're going back there. And then on the after show, you're like, no, the reason I went back there is cause like, I wanted to see if she needed any help. no, come on.

Wendy (44:49.944)
She said she thought it would be funny. And she does have that weird sense of of humor. She thought it would be funny.

Kelli (44:52.85)
Right!

Kelli (44:57.191)
Right, but the music's playing, the lights are dimming, there's flashers. You knew the show started, but you're Kathy Hilton, so you don't give a fuck. The show can literally go on around you.

We Wine Whenever (45:07.526)
Yeah

Wendy (45:12.238)
think it was hysterical that everyone's yelling at Kyle.

Kelli (45:15.163)
me too. Kyle's like, I'm just her sister. Like, what am I supposed to do? Right. Lasso her and pull her.

Wendy (45:17.762)
What am I supposed to do? Am supposed to tackle her? Like, what is Kyle supposed to do?

We Wine Whenever (45:18.928)
with my slides there.

We Wine Whenever (45:26.159)
I thought certain-

Kelli (45:26.312)
I did feel, Kyle's probably like, my God, like she is so nuts, she does whatever the hell she wants and I'm getting slack for it.

Wendy (45:27.918)
you

We Wine Whenever (45:34.842)
Right. I thought Sutton's speech was weird. I'm like, one needs, you could have said it much more eloquently. It was weird.

Wendy (45:34.978)
Yeah.

Kelli (45:46.569)
think she was nervous. I think that's her self-confidence, right?

Wendy (45:48.662)
she was definitely, she definitely was nervous. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She was definitely nervous.

We Wine Whenever (45:52.057)
It's just weird.

Kelli (45:54.511)
as straightforward as she is, I say it like I say it, I think that she really does lack self-confidence. And she is very insecure about everything with her mom and her ex-husband and all that stuff. So when the spotlight's on her and everybody's looking at her, it's probably like, whoa.

Wendy (46:13.464)
And like she said, she's been to many fashion shows, but she's never done one before. I don't think she did this one, neither to be quite honest with you. I don't think she did, but. Jade comes out and all the ladies are screaming and Gorsel's like, I can't believe, I remember my first fashion show was Calvin Klein and I was so nervous. She's like, and this is his first one and he walks out and he's so confident, I'm so proud of him.

Kelli (46:17.884)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (46:19.62)
Yeah, it was really not a fashion show.

Kelli (46:20.383)
All of you should have been given that speech.

We Wine Whenever (46:41.008)
He does have that model face that like.

Wendy (46:43.308)
Yeah, he does.

Kelli (46:43.423)
Very handsome. I thought he did really well. Not only was it his first fashion show, but it was on T. Like he knew, like I'm filming this for my mom's show. Like that is like another layer of pressure.

We Wine Whenever (46:46.03)
I loved seeing them together. Yeah, I loved seeing them together.

Wendy (46:55.948)
Right.

Yeah, and I'm sure his next one's gonna be Calvin Klein. Thank you, Garcelle, for mentioning them. You know he's gonna be doing Calvin. So Sutton's 22-year-old daughter is there, Porter, and she gives that speech about how she's so proud, and she hopes that she's made her proud and happy to see her friends there supporting her and congratulating her, and yeah.

Kelli (47:02.601)
That's right. That's right. Yeah.

Wendy (47:29.312)
I think though, did you see that they're going on another trip?

We Wine Whenever (47:33.082)
Yeah, I saw that.

Kelli (47:33.236)
Yeah.

Wendy (47:34.894)
I thought we were wrapping up, but I guess not. I mean, this is episode 14.

Kelli (47:36.689)
I know, I know.

Well, maybe we're getting close to 20 out of that. That's what it used to be. We used to get almost 20 episodes out of a season.

We Wine Whenever (47:40.774)
Yeah, I don't know.

Wendy (47:45.504)
I know, I know, was like, wait, now they're gonna go on a trip? Yeah.

Kelli (47:49.631)
But a lot's been going on with a number of them, which is nice because it's not solely focused on one storyline.

Wendy (47:53.974)
Yeah, no, there has been.

Wendy (47:58.807)
Yeah.

Kelli (48:00.147)
So.

We Wine Whenever (48:00.496)
So in the after show, Kathy Hilton says that personally, she would not have taken wife off of her social media. She felt like it would be showing her cards.

Wendy (48:09.036)
Yeah, she did say that. Yeah, she did say that. She also said on the after show that she texted Maurizio on his birthday. no, on his anniversary, on their anniversary to see how he was. Kathy.

Kelli (48:13.887)
That's a good point.

We Wine Whenever (48:22.192)
There's anniversary on their anniversary.

Kelli (48:27.689)
Who did?

We Wine Whenever (48:29.338)
Kathy. Yeah, their ann- on him and Kyle's anniversary.

Kelli (48:30.473)
text mo.

Wendy (48:31.778)
Yep. On, on yes, to see how he was doing because she does really like him.

Kelli (48:39.688)
Interesting.

Wendy (48:40.716)
I thought that was interesting too.

Kelli (48:43.495)
I don't have anything on my profile on Instagram, by the way. I don't have any wife, mother.

We Wine Whenever (48:46.568)
there you go.

Wendy (48:46.656)
Okay, I don't either.

We Wine Whenever (48:50.309)
Nothing.

Wendy (48:50.424)
I'm gonna put Podcaster on mine.

We Wine Whenever (48:52.885)
there you go.

Kelli (48:54.685)
great idea.

We Wine Whenever (48:55.81)
And Garcelle says she would have taken wife off and changed the locks. I that was cute. Uh-huh. Yeah. And Sutton was saying how her therapist told her to change the locks, but it took her years to do it.

Kelli (49:02.463)
Garcella did.

Wendy (49:02.887)
in the house, yeah, she did say that.

Wendy (49:11.5)
I believe that.

Wendy (49:17.646)
I don't know, I think this season's going well. I like where it's heading. I'm glad that Kyle and Dorit are back okay.

Kelli (49:20.308)
I know.

Kelli (49:27.997)
Yeah. And it seems like they really are like now still, right? Do they ever do the after show together?

Wendy (49:32.63)
I think so. think that they... No.

We Wine Whenever (49:32.666)
Yeah, it seems so.

No. on the after show, Garcelle asked Sutton if she was mad at Kathy about the whole thing that she pulled at the fashion show. Yeah, and Garcelle says, yeah, Garcelle says, no. She says, we are all too busy sucking up. And she said, we. So I that was interesting.

Kelli (49:44.472)
fashion show thing, yeah.

Wendy (49:45.75)
And she's like, no, I could never be mad at Kathy. And then she said, yeah, because you want the invite.

Wendy (50:02.278)
No, but she also said about the Christmas party that, Garcelle said she, she, Kathy has like 150 of them and she didn't go to any of them this year. This year. but Garcelle says she didn't go to any of them.

Kelli (50:02.505)
That's what I mean.

We Wine Whenever (50:08.774)
Yes, she had 150 parties. 150 parties this year.

Kelli (50:17.033)
Why?

Wendy (50:18.37)
Because she couldn't be bothered is what she's making us believe.

Wendy (50:26.402)
Garcelle does not like Cathy or Kyle. She really doesn't. No, no, mm-mm. Because why else would she say that? Right.

We Wine Whenever (50:26.585)
And it.

Nah.

Kelli (50:29.349)
You don't think she likes Kathy?

We Wine Whenever (50:31.675)
Mm-mm.

Kelli (50:33.405)
Interesting.

We Wine Whenever (50:34.917)
Yeah.

Kelli (50:36.605)
Why else would she say that? Although Erica said it too, and now she's all at the parties, but.

We Wine Whenever (50:41.968)
So Dorit actually did call it on Cathy because Boz on the after show says that Cathy is, she just thinks she's unaware of what's going around, you know, on around her. And Dorit says, it's really funny that that's what you think. And Dorit says, that's what Cathy wants people to think. That she's very shrewd and clever and that she didn't think Cathy necessarily did.

Kelli (51:03.069)
I believe it.

We Wine Whenever (51:10.362)
does things on purpose, but that she's definitely an aware person. She's not unaware of what's going on. So I thought that was interesting. Now.

Kelli (51:16.575)
And there's no malintent, but I think she's very well aware of what she's doing. All you have to do is watch that scene on the Paris Hilton, and I didn't watch the show, but I saw the one scene when they were in her kitchen, and Paris had an Hermes tray that she had gifted, that Cathy gifted to her husband, and clearly they were using it in the wrong way. And just the way Cathy went on about it, it's like, yeah, she's...

We Wine Whenever (51:33.334)
yeah, I saw that.

Kelli (51:45.863)
She's a fucking control freak and she thinks that she rules everything. Even where they put their Hermes try.

We Wine Whenever (51:55.942)
Well, Jennifer Tilly said she thinks it's weird this narrative that Cathy is the big boss of Hollywood and everyone is sucking up because they want to be invited to her parties. So I thought that was something.

Kelli (52:07.647)
It's clearly true and Jennifer Tilly can say it all she wants but it's very clear that that is what she said to Lisa Rinna I'll sue NBC. She mentioned NBC. She mentioned everybody or maybe not sue them. She'll go after whatever the hell she said, which I 100 % fully believe she said every I believe Rinna 100 %

Wendy (52:31.982)
believe Jennifer Tilly.

Kelli (52:33.063)
and she said she would destroy her own sister.

We Wine Whenever (52:38.2)
And Sutton said, Kyle and Mo use paparazzi to fight. She said that on the after show. And that thing that Wendy was talking about before, because, Garcelle, you know, says to Sutton, well, you know, what if it was personally you? Like, what if someone was perpetuating rumors about you, but you still kept doing the things that were perpetuating the rumors, you know, talking about Kyle and

Kelli (52:43.997)
Yeah, she did say that. She said it on the show too.

We Wine Whenever (53:07.545)
that's where Sutton was kind of like not wanting to answer. yeah, and I was surprised because Garcelle flat out said, I call bullshit.

Wendy (53:13.71)
She wouldn't answer.

Wendy (53:20.238)
She did. She was getting mad at her. Like she's like...

We Wine Whenever (53:21.85)
She was getting mad, yeah.

Kelli (53:24.595)
I think Kyle perpetuated the rumor. And I don't know if it was for a storyline, you know, on the upcoming season. Was it to try to get under Mo's skin to see if he'd have some kind of reaction to it?

We Wine Whenever (53:37.924)
reaction.

Wendy (53:38.71)
No, because she said that Moe doesn't get jealous. He's not the jealous type. She said that many times.

We Wine Whenever (53:43.258)
Yeah, she did say it. said that on... And it didn't work. Yeah, and Jennifer Tilly says, Kyle likes the chatter, the attention, and the guessing game.

Kelli (53:43.591)
Yeah, well maybe she's saying it because she tried and was unsuccessful.

Kelli (53:55.579)
I think she played into the guessing game. She's an actress. She's an actress. And they're all reality TV. And we know the formulas now. We know the reality TV formulas. And obviously they do.

We Wine Whenever (54:00.74)
Yes. And then.

We Wine Whenever (54:07.046)
Mm-hmm.

And Garcelle, she like put her hand up like in a stop position. And then the other hand, she did like a come to me gesture. And she said, stop some more, like saying like that was about Kyle, how she kind of feeds into it.

Kelli (54:24.849)
Right. Right.

I think there's something to that. I do.

We Wine Whenever (54:33.796)
So, and producers said to Sutton, you know, you're very quiet while they're all talking about Kyle. Do you not want to say anything because you're concerned it will affect your friendship with Kyle? And Sutton says, no. And then that's when Garcelle said, I don't believe it. And Sutton was like, I'm not going to suppose on my friend's relationship when I don't know. And then that's when Garcelle said, yeah, but I'm asking you like, if you were in that position, you know.

Kelli (55:02.655)
Would you do that?

We Wine Whenever (55:03.396)
Would you continue to do that if you're, you know, didn't want the buzz, but you're still creating the buzz? Garcelle was funny. She's like, you know, I'd be like hanging out my house. Like I'd be like Netflix and chilling. I wouldn't be out at somebody's concert when there was a rumor going around about me. So.

Kelli (55:10.355)
Right. Right.

Kelli (55:26.227)
That's the thing. I think Kyle should be out active doing things because obviously Mo is and her kids are out. She's an empty nester. And it's not to say she shouldn't spend time with Morgan because I really do think that they have a true friendship.

We Wine Whenever (55:43.674)
Yeah.

Wendy (55:43.758)
She had an appearance there. We found that out on the after show. She was there. She had an appearance. She was like scheduled to be there. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (55:47.823)
Yes.

Kelli (55:47.933)
What do mean?

Kelli (55:54.801)
at the concert? As like as what though? Like she doesn't sing.

We Wine Whenever (55:56.356)
Yes.

Wendy (55:59.127)
I don't know.

I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (56:03.44)
Yeah.

Kelli (56:03.539)
Just to be Kyle Richards?

Wendy (56:06.158)
I don't know, I don't know what the concert was for. Maybe it was a charity concert. Like, I don't know. I don't know what, I don't know, but she was scheduled to be there. But even if she wasn't scheduled to be there, what I'm saying to you is, what should she be doing? Sitting at home? Like, she was living her life. I think that's what she should be doing. She can't control who's taking pictures of her and what's getting put out in the press. She can't control that. And I don't think she should let them, you know, make her crawl up in a ball and stay home. I mean, that's ridiculous.

Kelli (56:09.423)
Like a fundraiser. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (56:20.327)
No, absolutely. Absolutely. She should be.

Kelli (56:27.421)
Right. Right.

Kelli (56:33.395)
Right, no, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (56:35.846)
But on the one hand, it is true that if you don't want people speculating about something, stop giving them something to speculate about. And unfortunately, on one hand, you're right, like she shouldn't just sit home and crawl up into a ball. But on the other hand, maybe you could be a little more discreet about your government zone. I don't know.

Kelli (56:43.838)
Yeah.

Kelli (56:58.727)
Or how about this, just come out and say, no, Morgan and I are not in a relationship, an intimate relationship. Morgan and I are just really good friends. And she's been a great support to me throughout my separation. She's never once come out and said, no, we are not together in an intimate relationship. She never has. So just say that and the rumors will stop and the speculation will stop. And then you can post all the pictures you want.

We Wine Whenever (57:02.084)
Whatever it is.

Wendy (57:28.204)
You really think that will stop the rumors if she says that?

Kelli (57:30.899)
mean, even if it doesn't, at least she's on record saying, no, this is not true. This is not true. This is not, we're just friends.

We Wine Whenever (57:38.214)
Well, I think it's the not saying, not copying to any of it that's a problem. when you're not, right, you're not saying, yes, it is. You're not saying, no, it's not. You're not saying, you know what? I kissed a girl and I liked it. Taste of her cherry chapstick. Like, you know, you're not saying, I don't know.

Kelli (57:43.323)
Exactly. That's what's perpetuating all of this.

Kelli (57:50.291)
Right.

Kelli (57:57.009)
Exactly. You're on a reality TV show. You do have a certain obligation. Yeah, like you have a certain obligation to be honest about your relationship. And maybe not at first, maybe because you're trying to figure things out, but it's been two years. Something, maybe you don't know if you want to get divorced yet. Okay. But you have a relationship with Morgan and it's been two years that this has been going on.

We Wine Whenever (58:03.332)
I think that's the problem.

Kelli (58:26.227)
So you should know after two years where your relationship with this person is. So just say it.

Just say it. Say something. Don't say nothing.

We Wine Whenever (58:37.232)
You know what? But maybe like Wendy's thinking, why should she have to sell anybody anything?

Wendy (58:38.7)
you

Kelli (58:44.415)
because she's on a reality TV show and you can't cry about rumors if you're supposed to be putting your life out in the public. You're not on a scripted series. You're not on a sitcom. You're on a reality TV show where you're supposed to be sharing your life. And you have, and she has, always. Until this. So if you don't want people to perpetuate rumors.

We Wine Whenever (59:03.215)
until this.

Kelli (59:11.199)
Squash them. Say it.

We Wine Whenever (59:11.362)
I gotcha, I gotcha.

Wendy (59:15.662)
I don't agree.

We Wine Whenever (59:16.676)
There you go. There you go. That's fine. So we shall see what happens on the...

Wendy (59:27.886)
And didn't they film the reunion already?

We Wine Whenever (59:28.558)
next episode.

Kelli (59:32.041)
I know they filmed Southern Charm because the other night on Southern Hospitality, he said to Lev, I just saw you at the Southern Charm. So that was filmed. I don't know. I don't think we've seen looks yet, right?

Wendy (59:35.555)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Wendy (59:45.378)
Okay, maybe not. Maybe we haven't filmed it yet.

Kelli (59:47.443)
I mean, at least they haven't been released. It's gotta be coming up though.

We Wine Whenever (59:54.234)
Now I saw a social media post about Sutton partnering with Cynthia on her comforter bed sheet line. Cynthia who? okay. Yeah.

Wendy (59:54.327)
Yeah.

Kelli (59:54.825)
Sure.

Wendy (01:00:03.734)
Yes, Cynthia Bailey.

Wendy (01:00:08.834)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (01:00:11.043)
Yes, it's.

Kelli (01:00:11.27)
not Cynthia the Freestyle Queen.

Wendy (01:00:13.887)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (01:00:17.35)
So.

Wendy (01:00:18.306)
Well, Cynthia Bailey will be on Sunday night. Hopefully we get to see her in the first episode of Real Housewives of Atlanta, because that's coming on this Sunday. And she's on as a friend of, and a friend of Role. I'm looking forward to that. I'm looking forward to that. OK, good. I'm glad to hear that. All right, just give it a shot. see. Give it a shot. OK.

We Wine Whenever (01:00:32.582)
We shall see.

Kelli (01:00:34.099)
Yeah, I'll give it a shot. I'm not promising anything.

Wanda Prashanth.

We Wine Whenever (01:00:41.082)
Alright, I got nothing else as far as Housewives of Beverly Hills.

Kelli (01:00:43.475)
Me neither.

Wendy (01:00:45.054)
I got nothing else either. until next time, thank you for watching and listening to We Wine Whenever. Bye!

Kelli (01:00:51.391)
Bye.

We Wine Whenever (01:00:51.738)
Bye.