Revenge, Rumors, and Reverse Cowgirl

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Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.66)
I'm Kelly.

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and I'm Lori.

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Tonight we're going to do Real Housewives of Salt Lake, but first Lori has a few would you rathers for us.

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Yes, I do. So some are like this or that, and some are would you rather. It's all the same nonsense anyway. So reading a book or listening to an audio book?

Kelli (00:14.305)
I'm very excited.

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You

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That's easy. Audiobook.

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care.

Kelli (00:35.705)
You wanna say read a book? Because I used to read all the time, but at this point in my life, like now I'm so used to listening to podcasts, I think I would listen to an audiobook.

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You think an audio book? Okay. All right.

Kelli (00:46.477)
Yeah, because I'm in the car and then I could just listen to it.

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Yeah, so music when... me? I'd rather read a book.

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No, what about you?

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Yes! Okay.

Kelli (00:56.313)
She's gonna read about it.

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Yeah, I'd rather read you up. Okay. So music in your car or a podcast in your car while you're driving.

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podcast.

Kelli (01:08.855)
I'm going 50-50 on that one, I like my Pandora, especially this time of year I'm already listening to my Christmas music, but I do also listen to podcasts. So I'm 50-50 on that one.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah, I'm totally music.

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If I'm in the car by myself, I'm exclusively listening. I'm totally podcast. I need to be learning something. Whether it's gossip, hot topics, or better ways to do the podcast. I'm always need to be learning something.

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There you go.

Kelli (01:30.198)
Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, well, I enjoy driving and seat dancing, so that's where I am. Okay, so crunchy peanut butter or smooth?

Kelli (01:43.673)
You

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Smooth.

Kelli (01:47.033)
that's a good question. I like both, but I'll go smooth.

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Yeah, think I'll go smooth too, but I would eat both. I do like both. Okay. So now in schools where children wear uniforms, should the staff have to wear uniform?

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What about you, Laura?

Kelli (01:57.358)
Yeah, I do.

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No.

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I think they should.

Kelli (02:08.121)
question, but no, I don't think so.

We Wine Whenever (02:10.169)
No, you don't think so? I don't know. All right. So, yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I just figured if the kids have to wear them, why not the staff? All right. So this is the last one. It's odd. Okay. Would you rather see animals dressed like humans or babies dressed as animals?

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Why?

I mean, I don't. But you're allowed to have your own opinion. I just was wondering why. Like, why do want them to wear uniforms?

Kelli (02:41.849)
babies dress as animals.

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Yeah, me too, baby stresses. Yeah. Okay. All right. And so I have more for next time.

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Babies dressed as animals.

Kelli (02:47.851)
Yeah. I mean, listen, animals are going to be cute no matter what.

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Right. But I don't know, dressed as humans, it's kind of weird. That'd be weird.

Kelli (02:53.634)
Okay.

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Okay, great. Okay, so we are going to talk about Salt Lake City, season five, episode number nine. This one is called, Revenge is Best Served in Coach.

Kelli (03:08.684)
I can't wait to get there.

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I know. So we are Palm Springs day one. We pick up with John telling Lisa that Todd said, if you and Bronwyn can't work it out, then we're going to have to leave. And Lisa's outside crying, talking to John saying, I think that there's one common denominator here between Bronwyn and Angie and it's Whitney. Whitney stirs up everything. No, the common denominator. Right.

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You

Kelli (03:36.633)
Yes, I've done nothing wrong and it's all Whitney's fault.

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Yes, I wrote that down. Blame it all on Whitney.

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And yeah, yes. And then John says, you need to have a conversation with Broadman without anyone else around. Lisa says, that's what I want to do. But what does she do as soon as she gets at the table full of people? She brings it up. I was like, he was sitting next to her. Like, why didn't he pinch her? I just don't, I don't get her.

Kelli (03:58.041)
brings it

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He brings it up.

Kelli (04:04.653)
Yeah. I don't think John speaks up to Lisa, obviously.

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No, come on. He's so whipped.

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No, he certainly does not.

Kelli (04:12.225)
Yeah, we've we've if we've learned anything at the end of this episode. Yeah, it's John's whips.

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Yeah. Right. So she starts with, she starts with Bronwyn, want to talk to you and we need to finish our conversation. She said, with Heather, I don't think there's anything to defend because she was just expressing her feelings. So I just was listening to her and she's allowed to have feelings. And I'm like, and Bronwyn sitting there with this look on her face, like, no, there is something to defend because she didn't say this yet, but

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Absolutely.

Kelli (04:41.453)
Right.

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Heather was calling her two-faced. That wasn't her expressing her feelings. But Lisa just doesn't get it. And then she goes on to say, you know, well, if there's people that are lying about me, and Whitney's like at the other end, the complete other end of the table, I wasn't lying about you. And I'm like, my gosh. And the look on Todd's face.

Kelli (05:09.357)
Yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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I mean, he just had this conversation with John.

Kelli (05:13.527)
Right, like Lisa went from one to the other.

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I just, I really don't get her. I don't, I really don't.

Kelli (05:20.184)
Mm-mm.

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And Lisa saying, I have a different way of speaking. And if you don't understand me, I'm sorry. No, that's not it. That's not it.

Kelli (05:33.175)
Yeah, because she was being aggressive.

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Well, that, yeah, well that was after. then John says, know, just ask Lisa, Whitney asked Lisa. So Whitney says, Lisa, you, did you, you know, did you do that with the, you know, the Alibaba? And Lisa said, no. And John said, okay, good, fine. Okay, so there you have your answer. And now, Lisa asked, he told Lisa to ask Whitney something. What did he tell Lisa to ask?

Kelli (05:49.549)
Ali Baba.

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Kelli (06:05.899)
He did. He did.

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I want to go. Are you lying? Right. And she said, and she said no. And then Braun went in and her confession was like, good, this is what we needed for like the men to come in and explain this to us.

Kelli (06:10.413)
Are you lying? Yeah. Right.

Kelli (06:20.921)
Yeah, we just needed John to ask a couple of questions. Done.

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Yeah. Yeah, fix everything.

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Right. And then all of a sudden, Sean jumps in. Right. And then Sean jumps in and says that Lisa was very aggressive and spoke to my wife very aggressively and told her to shut the fuck up. And that's when Lisa said, maybe you don't understand the way I talk. No, they understood exactly what you said. You told, right, exactly.

Kelli (06:37.603)
That yeah, that's when Lisa said if. Yeah.

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Yeah, no.

Kelli (06:47.394)
They just don't like it.

She is from New York though, right? She grew up in New York.

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but still, then own it. Say this is, you know, this is I meant.

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It's still.

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And it was still weird too because Whitney's before before John even stood up for it Lisa's like, well, where's the proof? Where are you going to get the proof from the horses in the field? I mean, like what? She just carries on like a lunatic.

Kelli (07:15.811)
Yeah. Yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

Kelli (07:22.361)
She's like a little spoiled brat.

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That's exactly it. That's exactly it.

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That is an understatement.

Kelli (07:26.797)
Yeah. Yeah.

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That's an understatement.

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So Todd's getting pissed and he goes to get up at this point. I don't, Bronwyn's like, just stay. I don't, I mean, I don't know why he did stay. I think, I don't know. I don't know. So they finished that conversation and then Seth says, I just have, what'd he say? I just have one question. No, I have two very important questions. I just want to know everyone when they eat asparagus, do they smell it in their pee?

was like, my God.

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That is, you know what? My husband will not eat asparagus because of that. He will not eat asparagus because of that. Really? I died laughing. I know, I died laughing in that scene. I was like, well, there you go.

Kelli (08:05.113)
Try to break the ice with that one,

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Well, I love that.

Kelli (08:12.13)
Really?

Asparagus is very good for your liver.

Kelli (08:21.891)
That is mysterious.

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That is hysterical and I love that he did that to break the ice. But then he turned into an asshole later. So then he's like, okay, and then who wants to play beach volleyball? So, I mean, they needed that icebreaker at that point.

Kelli (08:26.679)
Yeah.

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Be oboe.

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and he said

Yeah. And he said, banana hammock. Let's get on our banana hammocks. That's like the little Speedo.

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Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (08:47.981)
Yeah. Yeah. And I like how they did the whole Top Gun thing.

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Yeah, the whole Top Gun thing. But they didn't have Speedos on. They weren't wearing banana hammocks.

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No, but I just thought it was funny.

Kelli (08:57.653)
No, but he, I guess he wanted them to. Yeah.

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And I thought it was a little weird, like why were they spraying them with cooking spray? At first I thought it was sunscreen.

Kelli (09:10.029)
just for the, you know, probably for the whole Top Gun thing.

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They wore cooking spray and Top Gun?

Kelli (09:17.301)
I don't know, maybe they were spraying each other. I haven't seen- I've never watched the second one and I haven't seen the first one in probably 30 years.

We Wine Whenever (09:22.538)
I've seen it. There was no cooking spray involved. I just thought it was weird.

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There's no cooking spray.

Kelli (09:26.182)
I know. I just assumed it was all with the theme.

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Yeah, I dunno.

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Yeah, no. So this is what we were talking about. So Salt Lake and New York have the same production company, And New York did the Clueless and now this one did the Top Gun. Right?

Kelli (09:45.461)
Right.

Right, yup.

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Well, two, one did dodgeball, one did volleyball.

Kelli (09:54.978)
Yeah.

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Right? Yep. So I don't know, Laura, if you saw it, but I reposted the thing about Real Housewives of New York. The ratings are a thousand percent less than they were in their heyday. And that was from the the Sun Times. And I was like, my gosh, like they need to do, they need to reboot the reboot. And one of our listeners commented like they're done. And I was like, I hope not. Like we just need to get new producers. They're producing it wrong.

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there you go.

Kelli (10:24.601)
the producers are doing it all wrong. Because these women can be interesting. And the producers are focusing on all the wrong things.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah, they absolutely can be.

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I agree totally.

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Now who's in New York? Shed Media. Shed Media. I'm sorry, Shed Media, but we're not really happy with you right now. We're not. As Bravo fans, we're not happy with Shed Media. Just want to put that out there. So there, I thought it was fun watching them play though, the beach volleyball. At least there was some levity in the situation. Because then we see Mary goes into Robert's room.

Kelli (10:43.351)
Yeah.

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Yeah, no.

Kelli (10:49.047)
Yeah.

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So sad.

Kelli (11:02.019)
That was really, really hard to watch.

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Yeah, I have two points about that when you're ready.

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It was very hard to watch.

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No, go right ahead.

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so I want to know if anybody caught the, bong, the butane lighter and the butane refill on, on the, on his dresser that Mary sat right next to. And then did anybody catch that the girlfriend was trying to take a hit out of the vape that she had on the bed and she went to reach for it. And he put his hand, yeah.

Kelli (11:22.327)
No!

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That thing in her hair, yeah, that was a pink or, yeah, I saw that. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (11:40.617)
I thought that was her phone.

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He, no, he put his hand over it to be like, no, like don't be hitting it when my mom right there. Sad. Sad state of affairs that is. Yeah. And I thought too, Dorinda would be having a fit, them eating in the bed like that. Remember Dorinda with the, the blue stone manner? She was like, no eating in the bed.

Kelli (11:49.174)
and on camera.

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Yeah, I saw that. I saw that.

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my god. Yeah, that's not allowed.

Kelli (12:02.605)
Yeah.

yeah.

Yeah, no eating in your bedroom. Yeah, no food upstairs.

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No eating upstairs. No food, water. No food or drink, just water.

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Yeah, no, you upstairs. Yeah, but I'm saying in the bed like in the bed like that in the bed like that you had a cow

Kelli (12:14.777)
Wow.

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I didn't catch the bong and the lighter though. That was a hard scene to watch, man. My heart breaks for Mary. She's going through it. She's going through it.

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Yeah. Very hard.

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Mine does too. I mean, she even said, did I come at a time when we're having an eating session?

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Yeah.

Kelli (12:34.669)
I mean, let's just pray it's only weed, right? Or no, I think we know it's not only weed, right? Yeah. I hope he gets help. Yeah, absolutely.

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No, it's not. It's not, no. Let's pray that he's gotten the help that he needs.

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Yeah, it's not, no.

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Yes, absolutely. Me too. I pray.

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And let's hope that Lex has also gotten the help that she needs.

Kelli (12:49.249)
Of course, both of them.

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So then.

Bronwyn announces after they're done playing their beach volleyball, it's time to get ready for dinner. Dinner's in an hour and they're going to be the celebration dinner for their anniversary. I didn't realize that she was inviting all those other people there, which was very nice. John and Lise. Well, yeah.

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Not nice for the people.

Kelli (13:16.204)
Yeah, that had to sit through that dinner.

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not nice for the people who had to sit and listen to you know, that's not right.

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That was awkward, right? So then John and Lisa are talking about, while they're getting ready about Angie and what Sean said about Brooks. And Justin is talking to Whitney and asked if she's going to be good with Lisa. And Bronwyn shows up at the party wearing her $4 million necklace to dinner.

Kelli (13:22.968)
Yeah.

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I thought it was a little bit odd when Lisa comes out in pants and she's like, I'm a little bit underdressed. And she really was. first I thought they were denim. And then when I saw it like a better view of them, was like, no, they're a little bit dressier, but still she was really underdressed.

Kelli (13:52.789)
Yeah, she was under trust.

Kelli (14:03.459)
Compared to what other people were wearing for sure, but I mean, it was a house dinner, so I get it. Like, you know, she didn't want to put on an evening gown, compared to what other people were wearing, but you know, those people who were coming in, like they're gonna be on TV and they're not normally on TV. So of course they're gonna go all out and get dressed up where Lisa's on TV. So she's like, it's a house dinner. I'm just gonna, you know, go cash or more cash than.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Right.

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Right, right. But she knows, no, absolutely did. She did. And then they're introducing Lisa to one of Todd's lawyers. And they said that, you know, like you, he has several lawyers and this is one of Todd's lawyers. And then Todd's talking to his friends and he said, these guys over here own a tequila company. And the guy's like, cool. And Todd's like, eh, it's a mediocre tequila.

Kelli (14:32.099)
She still look- she still look good. She always look good.

Kelli (14:47.127)
Yeah, you're not the only one with six lawyers.

Kelli (14:59.5)
I didn't catch that. Did he see that?

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I thought, that was hysterical. That was hysterical. I was like, ha ha. Yeah, very good. That was a good one.

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Yes, yes Yes, yep. Yep. I Thought that yeah, he's like, yeah, it's a mediocre tequila and then Whitney comes out and you know, she's like, look at this There's a mariachi band. I thought it was a little odd how Todd gave her a hug Did you see that? Yeah

Kelli (15:07.759)
he's shading Lisa something proper, Wow.

Kelli (15:23.469)
Whitney? I didn't catch that either. What was I doing while this was on?

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It was late. You were, you know. Did you catch that lure where Todd gave her a hug?

Kelli (15:30.445)
I was decompressing.

We Wine Whenever (15:33.175)
No, no, no, I didn't even, I mean, I'm sure I saw it. just didn't even think anything of it. Well, I would imagine.

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Yeah, I just thought because he's not very warm and fuzzy and he didn't hug anybody else. Like I just thought, or maybe she just forced it on him because she is that kind of person, you know.

Kelli (15:42.435)
Yeah.

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Right. Yeah. Or maybe she's, maybe he, you know, kind of sees that she, you know, because she was the one who went into Braun when went after the whole thing with her and Lisa by the pool. And maybe, you know, I did see several scenes where Justin was like, thanks a lot. Like, you know, they were both very, you know what I mean? Yeah, they were both, that's a word. They're both very gracious. So maybe that.

Kelli (15:48.984)
Yeah.

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Yeah.

Kelli (16:09.911)
Right, Gracious.

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Yeah. Yes.

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with what struck the chord with him.

Kelli (16:18.702)
Yeah.

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It could be. then so they're standing next to each other. He also even said to her, you look beautiful tonight. And then she's asking him about the initials, the R-T-B-A-N. Did you see the big giant letters? That was the dumbest thing I've ever seen. R-T-B is Richard Todd Bradley. Those are his initials. And then there was one B there. So the other, the B was for two purposes, one for Bradley, the other B was

Kelli (16:21.337)
for sure.

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Yeah, yeah, that was dumb. That was dumb.

Kelli (16:36.429)
Yeah, what was it for?

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The was for Bronwyn Allison Newport, B-A-N.

Kelli (16:55.001)
Yeah, that's.

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Yeah, this is weird.

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I was like, this is the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

Kelli (16:57.899)
Yeah, I'm not. I don't get it.

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I thought the band was kind of numb too. I didn't think the band was cool either. It was just weird. The whole thing was weird. Like they got so much money that that could have been like an awesome little get together, but it was just ended up to be like weird.

Kelli (17:15.843)
Yeah.

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And then Whitney and Angie are talking about what Seth is wearing to the dinner party, his Brooks Marks baseball cap. Did you see that?

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stop it. Yes.

Kelli (17:25.953)
I think that some guys look better with hats on and I think that Seth is one of them and he's gonna wear a hat no matter where he goes.

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Yeah, but it's not appropriate to a dinner like that. It's just not.

Kelli (17:40.473)
I'm just saying.

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I will tell you as the wife of someone who wears a hat all the time, everywhere we go, would never wear a baseball hat to out like that ever. He just doesn't wear baseball hats. But if we go someplace where you're, you know, if we go to church, he takes off his hat. If we're out at dinner, he'll take off his hat. You know, you know, yeah, he'll take off his hat at dinner. I mean, at home, sometimes he leaves it on when we're at dinner, but he's at home.

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Mm-hmm.

Kelli (18:03.649)
Okay. Yeah. I was going to ask if he takes it off at dinner.

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Yeah.

Kelli (18:12.429)
Yeah, but you're home. But that's what I'm saying. This was like a house dinner. So I think they kind of took it as more of a casual affair.

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It's at home, not separate.

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Yeah.

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Mmm.

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But it was a baseball cap. a baseball cap is never appropriate. Like I just, not at a, not unless you're at a baseball game. If you're at a baseball game or you're like, you know, in a marathon doing an athletic sport where you might need to keep the sun out of your eyes. Maybe then you wear a baseball cap. I'm just saying. I think he was doing it to give air time to his son, Brooks Marks, to get the name out there, which, okay, but yes. And because of what he brought up at dinner.

Kelli (18:21.889)
I get it.

Kelli (18:27.363)
Dinner party. Right, right, right.

Kelli (18:46.253)
Well, and because of what he brought up at dinner.

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So then they all go and they sit down at the table. I have to say the table setting was absolutely beautiful. The flowers down the middle were gorgeous. All the men are sitting next to their wives. Like I like how they had it, you know, set up. And also I noted that they were actually eating. They were all actually eating. I don't know if you noticed that.

Kelli (19:07.278)
Yeah.

Kelli (19:13.593)
Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

Yeah, no, I did notice that. Yeah, they were actually eating. I don't like that fake nonsense.

Kelli (19:17.559)
Not like Beverly Hills.

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No.

Yeah. Then Bronwyn gives this extremely awkward toast about what she loves about Todd. And then he makes it even more awkward by taking out his black card. I mean, it was, it was cringy, right?

Kelli (19:25.261)
your facility.

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Very awkward.

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Yeah, that was just, it was just weird. It's just weird. Weird.

Kelli (19:36.919)
Yeah, that was weird.

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It was very cringy.

Kelli (19:42.803)
Yeah, the black card thing was cringy. Yeah.

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Yeah, it's just weird.

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I'll be honest.

Kelli (19:52.365)
Not as cringy as the game they're about to play, though.

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Yeah, so then.

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Yeah, that, well, games are always bad.

Kelli (20:00.663)
Yeah, can we just stop playing games at housewives dinners? Just stop. It doesn't work. Except that one. Never have I ever. That was good.

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Please.

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Yeah.

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The other thing I don't know if you noticed, like the wind is blowing, their hair is blowing everywhere. Everyone's freezing, they're wrapped in blankets, they're wearing jackets like for this, you know, outside dinner. And then Angie gets up and she gets the whiteboards and the markers, but she only has enough for the housewives and they're gonna play the newlywed game. And the rest of the tables sit like, come on. That was so weird.

Kelli (20:37.259)
I know, I know.

We Wine Whenever (20:38.052)
Yeah.

Kelli (20:41.217)
It was dumb because you had all these, if it was just them, it would have been fine, but you had all these other people sitting there. Like, it's just awkward. It was awkward for us to watch. Could you imagine being those poor people sitting there?

We Wine Whenever (20:50.207)
It really was.

We Wine Whenever (20:50.415)
And then, yeah, no, no. And then you bring in the sexual position.

We Wine Whenever (20:54.666)
Now, so question number one was,

Kelli (21:00.537)
That's what I mean. I mean, come on. Listen, we're not in our 20s or even the 30s. These women are in their 50s, most of them. Nobody wants to answer that question.

We Wine Whenever (21:09.339)
Yeah, come on.

We Wine Whenever (21:11.603)
or 40s. So question number one was who apologizes first? Lisa says her, John says him. They're the only ones that got it wrong. Seth says him.

Kelli (21:23.573)
there's no way Lisa ever apologizes first, come on. Right.

We Wine Whenever (21:26.63)
No.

We Wine Whenever (21:26.887)
No. No, she doesn't tell the truth either.

Seth says him, Meredith agrees. Bronwyn admits it's her. Todd agrees. Whitney admits it's her. Justin agrees. Sean admits it's him and Angie agrees. They're the only ones that got it wrong. The next one was, like you said, Lori, what is your husband's favorite sexual position? And Todd said all. Bronwyn didn't agree. Lisa said all of them. John said on top.

Seth and Meredith did not agree. I don't remember what their... Is that what... I don't remember what their answer was.

Kelli (22:06.307)
Well, Meredith wouldn't answer. Meredith said, not up for discussion.

We Wine Whenever (22:07.266)
They said any.

We Wine Whenever (22:12.841)
Annie? Okay. So then Whitney said, cowgirl, reverse cowgirl and BJ. And Justin said, we're getting a little personal here. So I was like, and then Angie and Sean both got it right. Angie said reverse cowgirl and Sean said, from behind.

We Wine Whenever (22:24.14)
Yeah.

Kelli (22:25.272)
You think?

Kelli (22:34.989)
Yeah, which is so funny, because that's like a Greek thing. And she said that. Well, it's Greek thing and allegedly, allegedly, I'm not Greek, but I'm just saying allegedly, it's a Greek thing that anal is a big thing. So that's why Angie said, I know it's a Greek thing, but not that whole.

We Wine Whenever (22:39.586)
Is it a Greek thing? Is that like a well-known Greek thing? I never heard it until she said it.

We Wine Whenever (22:56.289)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (23:02.684)
okay.

We Wine Whenever (23:03.169)
my, that's just too much. Too much info. TMI. TMI. I'm so not interested.

Kelli (23:06.817)
I know. I know.

I know. And I don't even know if that's true. That's just allegedly. That's what I've heard. So.

We Wine Whenever (23:16.264)
Right, right. So the next one was, what's your wife's least favorite? who's your wife's least favorite person at the table? And it can't be you. It was horrible, horrible. So Lisa says Whitney, John didn't answer, Angie says Meredith, Sean also says Meredith, Bronwyn writes down Lisa, Whitney writes down Meredith, Justin wrote down Lisa.

We Wine Whenever (23:26.235)
Come on.

Kelli (23:28.171)
You yeah, it's that was a bad question. Like where did you think this question was going?

We Wine Whenever (23:45.919)
I'm like, this is the stupidest thing.

Kelli (23:47.545)
How shocked was Lisa when Bronwyn said for Todd? She's like, me? He just fucking told you if you didn't straighten your ass out, he was kicking you out.

We Wine Whenever (23:53.589)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (23:57.363)
I know. I know.

We Wine Whenever (24:02.559)
And then Whitney says, Lisa, still feel like Justin owes you an apology. Lisa said, yes, but you were aggressive towards him.

And Lisa said, I was frustrated because what you were saying is a lie. Now, didn't they just solve that at lunch?

We Wine Whenever (24:20.965)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (24:21.55)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (24:22.945)
and then she brings it up again?

So then Bronwyn says, I am over this argument about the rumor. I agree, like enough already. Justin says to Lisa that he wishes he didn't respond to her so harshly. So he apologizes for that. And then Lisa apologizes to Justin. And did you see the look on Whitney's face when Justin apologized? Whitney's like.

Kelli (24:36.633)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (24:53.153)
What are you doing? I told you you're not apologizing. I do too. I mean, he did it because who cares at this point?

Kelli (24:54.446)
Yeah.

Yeah. I think he did it more for John. You know, exactly. And I don't think these guys want to have any issues with each other.

We Wine Whenever (25:00.933)
Yeah. Who cares? Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (25:07.35)
Right. So let's see. Sean, I appreciate earlier the conversation that we had.

Who said that?

Kelli (25:21.165)
Meredith.

We Wine Whenever (25:23.323)
yes, Meredith says that. I appreciate the conversation that we had. And I walked away a little hurt and upset because I felt like I gave you a heartfelt apology about something I didn't even do. And then I told you I was hurt by something you said and you didn't apologize to me.

Kelli (25:42.017)
And by the way, she did do what she's saying she didn't do. Right.

We Wine Whenever (25:45.471)
I know, she did. And is it a heartfelt apology if you're only doing it because you want an apology back? That is not how a heartfelt apology works. It doesn't work that way.

Kelli (25:52.505)
Absolutely not.

We Wine Whenever (25:52.539)
There you go.

Kelli (25:55.961)
Absolutely not.

We Wine Whenever (25:56.273)
I think Meredith is totally clueless on that front.

Kelli (26:04.291)
I just think it's comical that this woman talks about everyone, lies, but she's so hurt that he brought up her son. Your son is a grown ass man and your son has a mouth on him and your son talks shit. So it's game on.

We Wine Whenever (26:10.655)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (26:16.872)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (26:23.803)
But Meredith is the one who brought up her son. Meredith is the one who brought up her son. Meredith is the one who made the social media post and said, I would never say this because my son blah, blah, So.

Kelli (26:28.887)
Yes!

We Wine Whenever (26:31.016)
Right. Exactly. Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (26:41.145)
And I love how I love-

Kelli (26:42.637)
Right, so she is using her son as a pawn. She is saying, I would never because of my son, that is using your son. He's not wrong.

We Wine Whenever (26:42.762)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (26:45.453)
Absolutely. But I loved how Sean was like, nope.

We Wine Whenever (26:51.213)
Mm-hmm. Absolutely. No. And I loved how Sean was like, nope, not having it. Like, so sorry if your feelings are hurt, but he was just like, nope.

We Wine Whenever (26:53.056)
Right.

Kelli (27:01.594)
So.

Kelli (27:05.453)
Yeah, and then Meredith is like, well, clearly I'm not getting an apology. No, he said you're not getting an apology. You're not. Move on. Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (27:10.921)
No you're not.

We Wine Whenever (27:14.192)
Yep, I love it.

We Wine Whenever (27:15.049)
Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (27:20.04)
And then Sean says, what is it that I said? Like, what is it you think I said that I need to apologize for? And then Seth reads from his phone.

We Wine Whenever (27:35.538)
the headline, was a headline. Meredith Marks was using her gay son as an escape, as a scapegoat for her actions. And they, and then he holds out his phone and goes, proof, biatch.

We Wine Whenever (27:48.357)
Yeah, you like-

Kelli (27:49.719)
And he called and he was talking to Whitney, right?

We Wine Whenever (27:49.748)
Like, I know, yes, he was talking to Whitney. Cause Whitney also said, what did he say? Like, did he, Sean said it and then Whitney said, what did he say?

We Wine Whenever (27:52.145)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (27:56.567)
Right.

Kelli (28:00.033)
And listen, we all know that that is clickbait. The title's gonna say one thing and then you click on the article and it's something totally different. We all know that. Like, Meredith and Seth are living in this alternate universe and they think we're all stupid.

We Wine Whenever (28:04.401)
Yeah!

We Wine Whenever (28:04.576)
100%.

We Wine Whenever (28:11.217)
So I will-

We Wine Whenever (28:15.781)
Yeah, I watched the after show. I watched the after show and in it, let's see.

We Wine Whenever (28:17.683)
Get a door.

We Wine Whenever (28:28.961)
He didn't even, Seth didn't even listen to the podcast. The podcast that Shawn was on. admitted that he didn't even watch it or listen to it. So that's kind of crazy. But he was like, he was like a 10 year old.

We Wine Whenever (28:36.003)
I believe that. Yeah. I believe that.

Kelli (28:36.008)
I'm sure. Right.

Kelli (28:45.741)
Right, so he's just believing that clickbait title. He probably didn't even click on the article and read it.

We Wine Whenever (28:53.187)
In the first place, yeah. No.

We Wine Whenever (28:55.101)
He did it because he had to leave the next morning. He was leaving early the trip. His wife was already pissed off at him. That's why he did it. Because Meredith wanted him to do it. It's the only reason he was there, so that he could do that.

We Wine Whenever (28:59.216)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. yeah. Almost.

Kelli (29:04.749)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (29:16.971)
And in the after show, in the after show, Meredith also, they were also saying that Meredith didn't consider that saying the word, that biatch is not the same as bitch. And it was just kind of a joke and it shouldn't have been taken like, and I'm like, what are you out of your mind? Are you out of your mind?

We Wine Whenever (29:17.447)
So then what happens?

Kelli (29:41.657)
It wasn't a joke, he was very aggressive with the way he said it. It was not in jest at all.

We Wine Whenever (29:44.125)
No.

We Wine Whenever (29:46.436)
Yes!

We Wine Whenever (29:46.878)
Absolutely he was.

We Wine Whenever (29:49.857)
No. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (29:50.01)
No, and that is the same as bitch, by the way. It may even be worse because it's got more emphasis. Right. So then Angie tries to like change the subject and she says, why don't we talk about Gwen reconnecting with her grandparents? And Todd said, no, that's not happening. We're not talking about that. I mean, I don't think Angie meant anything by it.

Kelli (29:52.491)
It is. Exactly. Right. The aggression, for sure.

We Wine Whenever (29:55.258)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (30:09.325)
Boy, was that a bad move, huh?

We Wine Whenever (30:11.365)
Yeah.

Kelli (30:13.805)
Me neither. But he shut that shit down. He gave serious Tom Girardi vibes there.

We Wine Whenever (30:15.567)
Yeah, I was thinking about that.

We Wine Whenever (30:20.995)
yeah. I was thinking about that. if that was produced, then I think Angie's a really good actress. Cause she did seem like after she said it, she was like, fuck, you know? So I don't know that that was produced. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (30:22.279)
Yes, he did.

Kelli (30:35.545)
Yeah, don't know. I mean, maybe, maybe prior to that scene, they were like, maybe you can bring up the grandparent thing, but again, producers back off, man, because Todd was not having it.

We Wine Whenever (30:43.225)
Right, but I don't think she was expecting that.

We Wine Whenever (30:47.918)
No, because Bronwyn says that's actually worse than the subject we were just talking about. She's like, you know, although I think Lisa was well-intentioned, my feelings that they've not been involved in my child's life, meaning the grandparents, since she was born. Todd said, that's not the feeling, that's the fact, Bronwyn.

Kelli (31:14.837)
Does still blow me away that they did not reach out when their son passed away It blows me away if there's any time to swallow your pride who gives a shit what your stature is or Where you stand in the community? That's your blood and you lost your son. How do you not reach out? It blows me away and I do think Todd is coming from a place of protecting that young girl I do

We Wine Whenever (31:19.666)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (31:34.961)
Yeah. It's crazy.

We Wine Whenever (31:36.338)
I know, I know.

Kelli (31:42.497)
I don't think his delivery is very good. And I do think he has an authoritative role in their marriage. And it's not a good look on TV, but I do think it's coming from a place of trying to protect her.

We Wine Whenever (31:42.558)
I do too.

We Wine Whenever (31:50.375)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (32:00.101)
Yeah, and in that.

We Wine Whenever (32:00.507)
No, I completely agree with you. I completely agree.

We Wine Whenever (32:03.685)
Yeah, in that after show, Meredith is totally delusional because she says, you know, I even, gave Angie a pass on this whole situation with Sean. I gave her a pass. I'm not holding her accountable. Yeah. But she chose to jump into the fire with him. That's what she actually said. I was like, girl, you, you're crazy as hell. You are just crazy as hell.

Kelli (32:30.435)
Meredith is... I mean, she brings nothing to the table. Yep. But a bunch of bullshit. She just brings a bunch of bullshit.

We Wine Whenever (32:35.675)
I was like, what?

We Wine Whenever (32:36.433)
Her and Lisa. two of them are in La La Land.

Kelli (32:41.753)
But at least Lisa shows her kids, talks about her kids. Meredith, you can't believe anything that comes out of her mouth. And she never talks about her daughter. She only talks about Brooks. And maybe that's because her daughter doesn't want her to talk about her. But what are you doing on the show? You bring nothing. You don't even talk about your business. She doesn't talk about anything except how people have hurt her or come at her. She brings nothing.

We Wine Whenever (32:41.785)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (33:11.331)
You know, I was thinking about this because I was thinking about New York and how they're saying it's so bad. And we've discussed this, that these women are interesting if they were producing it right. First season, OC. We saw Vicki Gunvalson as an entrepreneur, a business owner. We saw her marriage to Dawn. They were very forthcoming with their marriage. We saw her as a mom. We saw her as a leader in her community in the insurance world. She was hosting parties at her house.

We Wine Whenever (33:14.769)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (33:40.515)
Gina Keough, we saw her as a real estate agent. We saw her as a mom. She showed everything about her kids and her marriage, Gina Keough. We saw more than we probably should have with her kids. know, her oldest son was, you know, and I have a son like that, so I appreciate the fact that she put that all out there. We saw everything about these women. We see none of that anymore. But that was the draw. That was the draw.

We Wine Whenever (33:53.436)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (34:04.539)
Right.

Right. Yeah, I don't like this overly produced drama for the sake of drama. I don't like beating a dead horse, like enough already. Are you allowed to say that, beating a dead horse? Well, I mean, it's dead, right? So what does it matter? mean, PETA, don't come after me. I mean, it's already dead. No horses were harmed in the making of this podcast.

Kelli (34:18.36)
Yup.

Kelli (34:25.655)
Yeah. Right, right, please f-

We Wine Whenever (34:32.174)
That's right.

Kelli (34:35.487)
Good thing you put that disclaimer in.

We Wine Whenever (34:37.227)
Good for the disclaimer.

Kelli (34:39.603)
That's fantastic. Why was this episode so long too? Bravo, stop with the extended episodes. 60 minutes is well long enough for us to have to sit through this.

We Wine Whenever (34:40.836)
I-

We Wine Whenever (34:40.879)
And I

We Wine Whenever (34:45.966)
Yeah, exactly, exactly.

We Wine Whenever (34:50.097)
Yeah. And I like how during the dinner, Sean said, that lunch, Sean said straight out to Meredith, you know, you're not going to like victimize yourself in this. Like, I'm not going that route. I just thought he was really good with her, that he would just like was like, boom.

Kelli (35:05.145)
All right. Yeah.

Kelli (35:10.839)
Yeah, I really like Sean and Angie. I think Sean's very attractive. You know I love a bald head. So I'm here for Sean and Angie.

We Wine Whenever (35:19.556)
And I mean, the pictures of Sean when he was younger, he's fine. I mean, he still is. He's, yes, yes.

Kelli (35:23.374)
Yeah. He is. He was and he is. Yep. I agree. Andy, we're a big fan. Good choice.

We Wine Whenever (35:23.399)
yeah. Yeah. Yep. He was and is. Yep. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (35:33.168)
Yes. You know, it's funny because I didn't really like Angie at first, but the more I've gotten to know her, the more I like her.

Kelli (35:41.571)
Well, I think her first season she was a friend of with Angie Kay, and it was almost like a competition between them because Jen was still on the show. I think, you know, she didn't have a real good look the first season as a friend, but as soon as they gave her her snowflake, I think she showed up.

We Wine Whenever (35:45.295)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (35:52.537)
Yeah.

Right.

No, I completely agree with that. So just back a little bit to the Todd situation. then he said, actually Bronwyn said, Lisa didn't mean to step on the minefield. Todd said, this is not a minefield. We're not walking into this. We're not talking about this. This is overdone. So then in Bronwyn's confessional, she said she was worried about the ladies embarrassing her. And in this moment, I feel like it's Todd.

Kelli (36:00.473)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (36:27.397)
that's embarrassing me. And I honestly, I don't think she should be embarrassed by Todd because one, was trying, like you said, he was trying to protect her daughter. And these women are aggressive and they're petty and they need someone to just shut it down. That's what they need. And there was not, I'll be quite honest with you, there's not another man at that table, maybe Sean, that would have shut something down, but I don't see.

We Wine Whenever (36:37.713)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (36:37.774)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (36:42.907)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Kelli (36:46.177)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (36:54.629)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (36:55.065)
Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (36:55.97)
I don't see Seth doing it. I don't see John doing it. I don't see Justin doing it. I don't see those men having the balls to do it.

We Wine Whenever (37:02.661)
No, they just let them run rampant.

Kelli (37:02.711)
Right, and he's not doing it to get into the drama. Yeah, yeah, the other ones would definitely just let them rum ramp it.

We Wine Whenever (37:06.935)
Exactly, exactly.

Yes, yes. And that's why, you know, I don't think she should be embarrassed.

We Wine Whenever (37:10.769)
Yeah. So did you guys see that, that she posted an apology? She posted an apology Bronwyn on her Instagram to her husband. Yes, she did. It was very sweet. She said, you know, I'm really sorry that I didn't say what I really should have said, which is I'm so happy to be married to you for the past 10 years. And she really did a nice, did a nice apology. And you saw on the upcoming previews, I don't know if you guys saw this of next week's.

Kelli (37:20.365)
Braun Wendit?

We Wine Whenever (37:20.532)
No.

We Wine Whenever (37:40.465)
episode, because Todd really gives it to her and says, I'm really disappointed that you sat in that hot tub and screamed with Lisa. you did. It's not worthy of you. You should have kept your dignity. You should have got up and walked away. And he's really right. And, you know, people may not agree with his delivery, but. I mean. I would appreciate if my husband said, like, what are you doing? Like.

Don't stoop to that. So I don't know. That was interesting.

We Wine Whenever (38:14.542)
Right.

Kelli (38:14.849)
My husband has done that. I'll tell you a quick funny story. Last year when Brick Memorial was playing Jackson, we were at the basketball game and the Jackson student section was getting real rowdy and saying a lot of things. And I was sitting with somebody who was saying things back. And then I started and that's very unlike me. you know, Eric and I don't ever sit together at games because Eric doesn't sit. He goes from, you know,

We Wine Whenever (38:41.57)
Right, right.

Kelli (38:42.923)
So he was up in the bleachers behind the Jackson Student Center, Student Section, and he's texting me, stop. You are fighting with children. Stop. And then at halftime, he walked over and said to me, you, you have to stop. I said, I know, I'm so sorry. And I didn't say another word the rest of the game. But Eric would definitely call me out on that. Yeah, he was right. He was right.

We Wine Whenever (38:54.117)
Yep. Stop.

We Wine Whenever (39:05.369)
And, but that's what a healthy relationship does. That's what a healthy relationship does.

Kelli (39:13.333)
Yeah, and I feel bad that Todd felt that way about Brahman because I think she felt like she just had to stick up for herself and I don't think she was really out of line yelling, but you know.

We Wine Whenever (39:24.27)
I think I didn't see that clip, but it reminds me of what just happened with Sean. Like Sean was overhearing these conversations and what his wife is telling him is happening, what Angie's saying is happening. And that's why he spoke up about it. That's why I said Sean is the only one at that table that would be able to shut these ladies down and have the balls to do it. And that's kind of what he was saying. Like don't stoop to their level. And Sean was saying, don't, Angie, you don't need to take this. Don't let people speak to you that way.

Kelli (39:53.934)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (39:54.379)
And that's really what he was saying. Like, this is your house. Like, this is your trip. You don't let anyone talk to you that way. You get up and disengage, which is by the way, what Meredith Marx would do. She wouldn't allow anyone to, right? So, I mean, I think that that's good advice, to be quite honest with you.

Kelli (40:05.482)
she would totally disengage. Yeah.

Yeah. And you got to think at that dinner table.

When she said, never, you I didn't think it would be Todd to embarrass me. There were colleagues of theirs there, you know, attorneys like, and this is all carrying on. And I think that was another reason he shut it down. And he was right. Again, his delivery wasn't great. Definitely gave some Tom Girardi vibes, but it is what it is. Not everybody, you know, wraps everything up in a pretty package with a big bow. He got the job done though.

We Wine Whenever (40:23.557)
yeah, I mean, come on!

We Wine Whenever (40:23.757)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (40:32.066)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (40:32.162)
Sure.

We Wine Whenever (40:44.141)
Yeah, he did. And it's funny because I am seeing so much hate online for him. People really do not like him. They really don't like him. I listen, we've said this, I don't.

Kelli (40:50.356)
I know!

We Wine Whenever (40:55.249)
I think he's a breath of fresh air.

Kelli (40:58.455)
Mm-mm. Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (41:02.637)
Yeah, he does come off harsh, but I don't have a problem with him either to be quite honest with you.

Kelli (41:06.841)
You sure he's not afresh of breath air as Theresa said on villain?

We Wine Whenever (41:09.563)
Yeah, yeah, it'll be that.

Kelli (41:12.011)
I'm not watching the show, but I did see that clip.

Kelli (41:21.539)
How about in his confessional, Todd said he'll never do this again.

We Wine Whenever (41:25.498)
Who could blame him? Who would want to pay money for that?

We Wine Whenever (41:26.059)
I don't blame him.

Kelli (41:28.801)
I know, but I wonder what that means for Bronwyn next year, next season. I took it as he won't be on the show again.

We Wine Whenever (41:32.933)
Well, look, sometimes.

We Wine Whenever (41:37.775)
Right, maybe, maybe not.

We Wine Whenever (41:38.956)
Well, maybe, or maybe he just won't be participating in these sit downs with these crazy ladies. Cause he said it wasn't, you know, it wasn't Lisa's business like to even do what she did. And it really wasn't, it wasn't, but I don't know. Then we go to day two of Palm Springs and

Kelli (41:47.096)
Right.

Kelli (41:51.79)
Yeah.

Kelli (42:04.45)
No, that was day two.

We Wine Whenever (42:05.876)
Yeah, why do I have that?

Kelli (42:08.257)
Now they're leaving, right? Now they're packing up and leaving.

We Wine Whenever (42:09.977)
Yeah, packing up the money.

We Wine Whenever (42:11.196)
No, we got to go to the car race. No, this is day two. So that was day one. This is day two. Day two, they get up and they're getting ready to go to the car, the car race. no, before that, before they go to the car race, they finished eating dinner and they said that they were all tired and they were going to bed. But then the next day we see that they all stayed up together and they really got along. They were playing pool. They were like laughing.

Kelli (42:13.448)
God, that's right. You're right, you're right, you're right.

We Wine Whenever (42:14.477)
Yeah.

Kelli (42:38.061)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (42:39.478)
which they didn't show us that, they just showed it to you afterwards. Which by the way, if you're gonna give us an extra 15 minutes, show us them having fun.

Kelli (42:42.849)
Of course.

Kelli (42:47.083)
Yeah, exactly. We want to see that.

We Wine Whenever (42:47.461)
Right? That would have been nice. That would have been nice to see everybody. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (42:49.1)
Right. Like that's what's annoying. That's, yeah.

Kelli (42:52.621)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (42:56.418)
So then they get the car to go to the races and Bronwyn gets out of the car at the races and she said like, I bring these girls into this race and they have like no idea. Like this is super VVIP. Which is funny because if you watch Dubai, like that was the big thing this year was the VVIP at Beyonce. Yeah, VVIP. Yeah.

Kelli (43:15.736)
I didn't know that.

at Beyonce?

We Wine Whenever (43:20.617)
And there was the Indy race car driver and Todd is very good friends with this guy, Davey Martin. And, you know, he pulled all these strings so that they could put this nice event together for the ladies to meet these, you know, Indy car drivers and watch the race. and I was surprised to see Seth there because we thought he was leaving in the morning, but maybe because Meredith gave him such a hard time and he wanted to watch the race, maybe, I don't know.

Kelli (43:42.349)
Yeah.

Kelli (43:47.435)
I'm sure it Yvonne to watch the race. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (43:49.632)
You think?

So then they get there and Bronwyn goes up to Lisa and says, when you're done taking selfies, maybe we can chat, which is maybe a little bit more appropriate place to do this. Like not at a table with everybody. And they start to try and talk about it. And it's so loud because the cars are revving up that they can't even have the conversation. I was like, bad timing.

Kelli (44:15.031)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (44:20.555)
and then what happens next.

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They go back,

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They don't know where John is. They go back. They finish the race. They go back and then they're getting ready to go and they're getting the cars and they're waiting for the cars. then Lisa says, how are we getting home? And she's like, I got you all tickets. I booked your flights. And then Lisa sees her seat and she's like, I have 17A. Like, where's John? Like, I don't even know.

Coach? I don't even own a coach. I can't fly in coach.

Kelli (44:58.915)
Yeah, I don't carry a coach and I don't fly coach. And look, I want to see a decadent lifestyle, don't get me wrong, but don't be an asshole.

We Wine Whenever (45:12.337)
Total asshole.

Kelli (45:14.125)
Like, she's, don't be an asshole. You're literally saying that you can't wait to see your son and now you're gonna fly to LA to fly back to Utah? Like, get on the fucking plane, Lisa. Yeah, like, what are you doing? It's a 45 minute bl- And John's like, you can't just close your eyes and pretend you're in first class. Now, Bronwyn did say there were four class tickets though, right? So it was her and Todd and who else?

We Wine Whenever (45:23.515)
So you don't have to go coach? Yeah. So in that after show? Yeah.

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So 45 minutes, it was a 45 minute flight.

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Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (45:42.656)
She didn't say, she said she booked two for her and Todd and she put the other ones next to their spouses, the next closest seats. Because she couldn't pick one couple to go in first class with her, right?

Kelli (45:54.657)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (45:55.409)
Right. Yeah. So on the after show, Bronwyn says, well, let me introduce Elisa to the rest of the world, which other people live. So she said that, you know, her and her husband have flown coach many times when there's, yeah, her and her husband have flown coach many times when they're doing something last minute or whatever.

And so she was saying that word on the street is Lisa's been telling people that her and John have more money and that Lisa is putting a down payment on her own plane. And then Lisa goes when it switches back, yeah. And then when it switches back to Lisa on the after show, Lisa says, I have had better times in Palm Springs at the Madison club or the Porsche club.

We Wine Whenever (46:42.025)
What?

We Wine Whenever (46:52.561)
So she was with Britney in this scene of the after show and Britney says, well, what you were like slumming it this weekend. And Lisa says, yes. And Brahman's Brahman says, if Lisa has 87. Yeah, if Lisa has 87 cyber security people, she should just get herself like a next net jets and get her own plane ride home. I guess that's like something where you could get a ride on a private jet.

Kelli (47:05.741)
Yeah, she says she felt like she was slumming it.

We Wine Whenever (47:22.893)
you know, pay money.

We Wine Whenever (47:22.932)
Yeah.

Kelli (47:23.725)
Yeah, why didn't she just rent a private jet? You got all that money to throw around, rent yourself a private jet to take your 45 minute flight back to Utah. You asshole.

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Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (47:32.625)
Yeah. She said, she said, well, Lisa could have gone to the porch dealer and bought herself her own car to drive home, or she could have paid $30,000 for her own plane that she could have taken home, or she could have paid and stayed an extra night and then flown home tomorrow. There were plenty options for Lisa and her unlimited budget to do whatever she wanted to do. I that was really funny.

Kelli (47:57.751)
And how about John gets some balls about him and tells his wife to knock the shit off and get herself ready to get on the plane.

We Wine Whenever (48:05.091)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (48:08.767)
Yeah.

Kelli (48:09.399)
I mean, come on. That was one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen on a Housewives show, and we have seen some seriously ridiculous things. But that was ridiculous.

We Wine Whenever (48:11.484)
It was ridiculous.

We Wine Whenever (48:18.587)
Mm-hmm.

And then there was a scene on the after show with Whitney saying that Lisa was even bitching about her not getting her Sky Miles.

We Wine Whenever (48:23.156)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (48:31.825)
What? No! And then Brahma was saying how it's okay for Lisa to put her glam on in coach. Brahma's like, I put my, you know, if my glam flies with me, they fly first class. So it was just really funny.

We Wine Whenever (48:33.673)
Are you okay?

Kelli (48:48.333)
I was thinking the same thing though. wonder how Lisa's glam was getting home. She probably stuck them in a rental car.

We Wine Whenever (48:54.479)
Yeah. Yeah. And then she was saying how, yeah, that it was a shaky branch for John to go out on saying that Lisa has never lied about anybody at the table. And then you see Mary chime in and says, okay. So then they're about to break up because I guess they just don't even know each other. And Mary brought up when Lisa said that thing about Meredith is a whore and slept with half a New York.

Kelli (48:57.887)
She was way out of line.

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Right.

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So Mary's like, so that wasn't a lie?

Kelli (49:29.331)
Mm-hmm. Right.

We Wine Whenever (49:30.107)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (49:33.006)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (49:33.307)
It's craziness.

We Wine Whenever (49:34.777)
It is craziness. There was a lot of craziness.

Kelli (49:35.863)
Yeah, that was really... Yeah, that was a lot. That scene with Lisa. That was a lot.

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And then Brian will...

We Wine Whenever (49:44.456)
Honestly, I think every scene with Lisa is a lot.

We Wine Whenever (49:47.928)
everything. Absolutely.

Kelli (49:48.002)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (49:50.002)
I know you like Lisa. I know you like Lisa. I know. Listen, I had this realization with Heather.

Kelli (49:51.936)
No, I'm starting not to.

We Wine Whenever (49:53.522)
Mmm, I like that.

Kelli (49:56.317)
I know.

We Wine Whenever (49:58.351)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Bronwyn was even saying like about John, like if you recently had a conversation with Todd about your wife being aggressive, then you have a conversation with Justin about the same thing. And now Sean is saying that your wife is aggressive, then maybe there's a problem. Like three people, three people can't be wrong.

We Wine Whenever (49:59.016)
Yeah, Heather Dubrow. Yes. O.C. Heather.

Kelli (50:02.464)
Right.

Kelli (50:22.071)
Right, there's a common denominator here.

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And it's not Whitney. It's not Whitney.

Kelli (50:27.127)
Right. It's not Whitney. Right.

We Wine Whenever (50:27.217)
I'm winning.

We Wine Whenever (50:31.412)
these men they're whipped they are so whipped I would never

Kelli (50:32.759)
Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (50:33.764)
Alan, yeah.

Kelli (50:38.477)
John really is. That's upsetting to watch.

We Wine Whenever (50:42.868)
I would never, I just can't, I can't.

We Wine Whenever (50:48.283)
Yup.

Kelli (50:48.331)
I mean.

We Wine Whenever (50:52.975)
It's craziness.

Kelli (50:53.195)
Everything before that, okay, you want to stick up for your wife, okay, but the coach thing was that was too much. Just tell her to get on the plane. Your son's home waiting for you, your son that she's so worried about because of, you know, things going on with him. Just get on the plane and go home. You've been gone three days or however long.

We Wine Whenever (51:11.601)
Mm-hmm. So,

We Wine Whenever (51:13.342)
Well, he does say to her, you want to make it a longer trip? And she said, yes.

Kelli (51:17.335)
Yeah, it's like ridiculous. Like don't even give her that option.

We Wine Whenever (51:17.371)
Yeah. yeah.

We Wine Whenever (51:21.436)
Well, I'd say yeah, you could make it a longer trip. I'm going in my seat.

Kelli (51:25.207)
I mean, he treats her like a child because she acts like one, but then you let her get her way. Right.

We Wine Whenever (51:27.909)
That's what she acts like. So Bronwyn did a post on Instagram and it's a picture of Sarah Jessica Parker standing in front of a brownstone and the post says, the icon that is SJP on the show that changed fashion and costuming with, my God, could it be? It's a bird. It's a plane. It's a coach. Sarah Jessica Parker is holding a coach.

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Yeah.

Yeah.

Kelli (51:57.035)
ha ha.

We Wine Whenever (51:57.681)
And actually coach actually answered and said,

So I thought that was kind of fun.

Kelli (52:07.929)
Well, know, Tess just told me that Coach is doing like a whole rebrand and they're like, their bags are gonna be a lot more expensive than they are now.

We Wine Whenever (52:16.599)
I like that.

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That's interesting.

Kelli (52:18.967)
Yeah, they're gonna be up there with like Marc Jacobs like in line with that.

We Wine Whenever (52:23.047)
You know what, I was at work today and one of my coworkers, I was standing there talking to her and she just came in and she had on like a classic coach bag, like from the 2000s, you know, when they were all leather, the smooth leather, and it was in pristine condition. I was like, I love that. Like you just don't see that anymore. She's like, yeah, it was my mom. got it, you know, she got it, you know, got it from her mom's stuff. I was like, it's gorgeous.

We Wine Whenever (52:37.457)
Hmm?

Kelli (52:49.507)
I'm gonna make you laugh. am now using the very first, Eric was on a kick for a while and I would get a coach bag like every year for Christmas or my birthday or Mother's Day. So I do have quite a few because of that. I am now using the very first coach bag he ever got me. It's black leather and it's just as you described it. It's the smooth leather and it is in perfect condition because it comes in like a

We Wine Whenever (53:19.314)
Yes, it does, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (53:20.795)
Yeah, dust jacket thing.

Kelli (53:21.111)
And I always put it back in there like I'm very careful with my bags. it's my favorite bag that he's ever gotten me. And I'm using it right now. It's funny he brought that up. And it's gotta be, I mean, how old Tess? It's gotta be almost 20 years old.

We Wine Whenever (53:31.838)
Yeah, I have

We Wine Whenever (53:32.092)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (53:37.039)
Yeah, I have three of them. Two are black and one is just like a little like canvas little thing with a little starfish on it. But those are the only three that I have. But the two are plain black and they're nice when they're plain like that. I don't like them with the print at all. I don't want to know nothing about.

We Wine Whenever (53:39.154)
Actually, I'm just thinking of.

Kelli (53:53.657)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (53:58.606)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (54:00.444)
I have so many coach bags, it's not even funny. It's like my guilty pleasure. Bill and I would used to like go, that was our thing, like we'd go to the coach outlets and I would get so many coach bags, but all the leather ones, I don't know where they are. I mean, I know I used to sell some of them. I'd get bored with them and I'd sell them like at garage sales and stuff.

Kelli (54:10.819)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (54:22.733)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (54:22.928)
I have to look for them. probably, I mean, I have like boxes. It's actually obscene. I should probably look for them. But the stuff that they sell today is not nearly as nice as it used to be. And honestly, it's probably, it's just as expensive and it doesn't last. And the leather is, yeah, it's not the same. It is not, I miss the old coach.

We Wine Whenever (54:31.94)
now.

Kelli (54:32.089)
It's not and it doesn't last.

Kelli (54:42.551)
Yeah, well, they're rebranding, so maybe they're going to make the quality better. don't know if they're going to increase the prices, then they should.

We Wine Whenever (54:49.975)
Yeah, absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (54:50.009)
Yeah, that's, you know, that's why I bought that bag at Smithville, that leather, that Italian leather bag, because it so reminded me, like as soon as I walked in that store, I smelt that leather. And when I picked up that bag, I was like, my God, like this is what I remember. I love that bag.

Kelli (54:55.926)
Yeah.

Kelli (55:00.184)
Yeah.

Kelli (55:04.664)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (55:05.009)
Hmm.

Kelli (55:07.073)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (55:08.539)
So Bronwyn's husband, Mr. Bradley, is being sued $60,000 from an Instacart driver that says that the dogs, Bronwyn's dogs, are attacking the delivery people. So he's been actually sued two times in the past two years.

Kelli (55:30.425)
I saw that. I saw that.

We Wine Whenever (55:36.561)
So was the first one for the 60,000, which was dismissed, but then they reached a mutual settlement. And then the second one was just a few months later after the first one, and that was an Amazon driver. And that one is for 300,000, and the case is still open.

Kelli (55:58.969)
300 grand? What'd the dog do to ya?

We Wine Whenever (55:59.185)
So yeah, you like that? They both claim, both the Instacart driver and the Amazon driver are claiming the exact same things, but one was for 60,000 and now this new one. The new one is at 300,000 because the 60, well, they said, you know, trauma, scarred for life, the dog bit them, scratched them, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They both said the same things.

Kelli (56:16.173)
What were their injuries? Do they have like massive injuries?

We Wine Whenever (56:28.753)
But it's just interesting. The $300,000 one. Right, the $300,000 one is only there because of the $60,000 one that got settled. It's just trying to get a payday is what they're doing.

Kelli (56:30.617)
I I could see like if you have a scar on your face.

Kelli (56:41.271)
Yeah. Right. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (56:46.394)
Well, maybe you could show your dogs and don't let them get to the delivery drivers. How about that?

We Wine Whenever (56:50.232)
Yeah, you could do that.

Kelli (56:50.521)
And maybe you don't put a $4 million necklace on your wife's neck on national TV. That's what's happening. You see Tamra's threatening to sue us. I forget what it's Bravo something. It's some podcast or a blogger or something because of what they were saying about her. like, my God. But you people go on these shows and you show this decadent lifestyle.

That's what's gonna happen. People are gonna come out, litigious people are gonna come out and try to sue you. Especially if your dogs are biting them.

We Wine Whenever (57:25.285)
Yeah. That's what happens. Yeah. That's what happens.

We Wine Whenever (57:25.648)
That's what happens.

We Wine Whenever (57:30.338)
I mean, we already know the dog's shitting all over the house and she's not cleaning it up. So I can't even imagine what's happening when the delivery drivers are coming. Right?

Kelli (57:36.769)
Right. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (57:37.027)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (57:42.725)
All right, you ready for a quote? Nope, that's it.

We Wine Whenever (57:43.468)
Anything else, Laura?

Okay, I'm ready.

Kelli (57:47.216)
yeah!

We Wine Whenever (57:48.273)
All right, so the quote is, a real friend is one who walks in when the rest of the world walks out. I figured we do some friendship ones because these girls have problems with friendships. And here's the next one.

Kelli (58:05.623)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (58:07.257)
They're actually co-workers, they're not friends. Next time we'll do workplace quotes.

Kelli (58:09.421)
That's right. That's right.

We Wine Whenever (58:09.502)
This is true.

We Wine Whenever (58:15.225)
Yeah, yeah. So I don't know. They just need help. A lot of help.

We Wine Whenever (58:23.489)
I think they do need help. I want to let our listeners know we're running a contest. Please check out our social media. We're doing a contest, trying to get some new listeners. We're raffling off a bag, custom embroidered We Wine Whenever bag. It's not Coach, but it's better. mean, it's got our name on it. Yeah, I got one in my back pocket. No, but if you go

Kelli (58:39.991)
It's not coach.

We Wine Whenever (58:41.231)
It's not good.

You don't have one with you, do you?

Kelli (58:45.777)
It's custom. It's custom.

We Wine Whenever (58:48.529)
I wanted to show them. Yeah, we should.

We Wine Whenever (58:52.085)
If you go to our social media, you'll be able to see it. Because one of our listeners made a very nice post for us, because I put a really janky one up there, I'll be honest with you. That was so nice. And I pinned it to our Instagram on our Facebook, because I was just going to keep posting it every day until Andrew said, what are you doing? I said, I want people to see. goes, just pin it. I was like, OK, I'll just pin it.

We Wine Whenever (58:54.885)
You can see it, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (58:59.951)
that was so nice.

Kelli (59:04.109)
Yeah, that was nice. Thank you.

We Wine Whenever (59:15.982)
And go.

Kelli (59:16.951)
We don't know, Andrew. You gotta tell us these things.

We Wine Whenever (59:18.423)
I know, so I pinned it, I pinned it. So go check it out. Until next time, bye.

Kelli (59:24.067)
All right. Bye.

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Bye.

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