Dennis RETURNS the Ring 💍 | Porsha Says "You Are the Trauma!"

Kelli (00:00.962)
Hi, welcome to We Wind Whenever. This is Kelly.

Wendy (00:04.16)
I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:06.1)
And tonight we're talking about Real Housewives of Atlanta, season 17, Episode 11, Shady Text and Bigger Regrets. But before we start, we'd like to please ask you to go to YouTube and subscribe, Instagram and follow, Facebook, TikTok, follow, and all the things. And we appreciate all of your support. And also, Yay Nix.

Wendy (00:30.869)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (00:33.728)
Nick's in five. They listened to us very wisely. We couldn't be happier. What a nice team to have one. so we start the episode with Cynthia at Lake Bailey. And Shemia comes over. And Cynthia says the Shemia is usually a really good time. But right now, not so much things have been happening. And Cynthia just wants to catch up with her. So they sit down on her beautiful deck or

You know Yeah, deck, yeah. And

Wendy (01:04.556)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:09.61)
Shamia says that Angela shouldn't be bringing up her marriage, and I agree. And she doesn't have an issue with Drew. She just Drew just keeps bringing up Porsche. Now, to me, you know, you know how I feel. I feel like there's an alliance and Drew does keep bringing up Portia with Shamia. And she should probably stop.

Wendy (01:31.083)
I agree. I agree.

Kelli (01:32.716)
Yeah. Cynthia asks why Shamia didn't invite Portia to her party and she said we were in a really awkward space, but Dennis and Ger Gerald talk all the time, so I'm not gonna interfere with that. Now, we didn't see Jen Dennis at the party, did we?

Wendy (01:50.135)
That doesn't mean he wasn't there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (01:52.138)
no, that's what I'm saying. I'm sure he was there. I just f I think it's interesting 'cause we always say how Dennis likes to be on the on the show, but they didn't show him at the party, so

Wendy (02:01.57)
She also said Gerald and Dennis have play dates with the kids.

Kelli (02:06.453)
Yeah, that was nice.

Wendy (02:07.734)
That that means Pilar. Like

Kelli (02:11.817)
Yeah, and I I think that's really nice because think about Shim where Shemia and Portia came from. Like they were middle school friends. So you know their kids were close. I mean, they're also little, but still it's nice that they're the the guys are are keeping that going. I like that.

Wendy (02:14.709)
I do too.

Wendy (02:18.37)
Yeah.

Wendy (02:28.782)
I agree. I agree too.

Kelli (02:31.137)
Shamia said that she and Portia had some nasty texts after the reunion and one was about her marriage. So this makes sense to me that Angela's bringing up her marriage. Angela's doing Portia's dirty work.

Wendy (02:50.54)
Yeah.

Kelli (02:50.821)
And she says that her surrogate is about to start a cycle. She's very nervous because this is her last male embryo. And Cynthia thinks that maybe her energy with the other ladies is misdirected because of the stress she's under.

Shemia asks for some love and wants Cynthia to straddle her. And she kind of does. And then we end that scene. I do listen, I I do like their friendship because, you know, we've said this Shamia's been on the show forever because she was Candy's friend and Borsha's friend. So she and Cynthia have a true friendship.

Wendy (03:13.024)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Wendy (03:30.048)
Yes.

Yeah, and I was listening to Humble Bragg today and Cynthia was saying that. She was 'cause Crystal asked her, you know, about the sit down with Jamia and she's like, Listen, I've known Chemia for a long time and her and I have not had a one on one this this season and I just wanna sit down and see what was going on. And I think that that's genuine. You know, I think that that's a hundred percent true.

Kelli (03:53.474)
Yeah, and it was good timing. I mean, what are we on? We're on episode eleven. Yeah.

Wendy (03:55.745)
Yeah.

Wendy (03:59.542)
Eleven, yeah.

Kelli (04:02.413)
So K Michelle meets Pinky for lunch and Pinky says that nine thousand dollars came out of her account this morning and she didn't know why and then she realized it was food for the restaurant. I'm like, my God.

Wendy (04:15.574)
That would be scary to me.

Kelli (04:17.527)
That would be very scary to me. Very scary. Pinky said that she's celebrating life. She said God wanted her to go through all the bad stuff because all good stuff is happening now back to back. And Kay says everyone has their seasons and she's growing through she's going through hers now. And then they talk about the lunch or you know, the food after the national anthem with Kay Drew and Shamia.

Wendy (04:44.577)
Yeah.

Kelli (04:47.717)
And Kay says I did the national anthem and hopefully if you do good for people, you'll get more appearances. And Pinky mentions a cruise ship. I don't know what that was all about, do you?

Wendy (04:59.422)
No, I don't. I don't.

Kelli (05:00.737)
Yeah, she said something like, Yeah, like maybe a cruise ship or something. I don't know. and then Kay says that Drew puts out AI music. she also said that she and Shamia and Shamia's mom went to the club. The club. I thought this was really odd. And then they were praying in the club for like an hour.

Wendy (05:11.298)
I know.

Wendy (05:21.154)
I thought this was odd.

Kelli (05:27.573)
And Shamia said to her, I hope you're my friend and loyal because none of my friends want me to be your friend. And Kay said she started crying because it was heavy. I mean, we haven't seen Kay says that Shamia keeps saying stuff like that to her, but we haven't seen it, right?

Wendy (05:46.889)
No

Kelli (05:48.407)
I'm starting to wonder about Kay.

Wendy (05:52.706)
I don't know. Like why why would she come on and make all this stuff up?

Kelli (05:58.444)
I know, it's like is she is she a pathological liar or did these things really happen and she's the only one being truthful?

Wendy (06:06.068)
And and why would Shemia you know why would why would Shamia say that to her? Like that doesn't make sense either.

Kelli (06:15.561)
I mean, I don't know because I don't I think Portia thought Kay was gonna come on the show and be part of the alliance. I do think that. and maybe when she wasn't, that's that's when some digging went on, like what Kay's saying. Some digging went on. Because

Kelli (06:39.019)
I don't know, the timing of everything. I guess Portia wasn't really in a bad place with Kay when Drew s I mean, all Drew said was, You know you know black. And Kay took that to mean something totally different, but I I don't know. I I can't I can't get a read on Kay though. I really can't. And I don't know if she's made for this show or not.

Wendy (06:51.052)
Right.

Wendy (06:56.052)
No. No, I can't either.

Wendy (07:02.442)
I agree. I agree with you on that.

Kelli (07:04.939)
Yeah. So Porsche's at her house with her chef Maurice and Mike shows up. Mike tells the chef if they get married, he's moving in. And Portia says she likes Mike, but she's following her sister's advice to multi-date, not multi sleep with people, multi-date. Mike says that food is his love language, and Portia says hers is communication, and Mike Mike kind of calls bullshit on that, and he says he's seen some stuff.

They flash back to an interview where Portia says she's dating two people, one is a he and one is a she, and Mike wasn't happy about that. Now, I don't know if he wasn't happy about the fact that she was dating other people or was he not happy about the fact that it was a woman that she was dating.

Wendy (07:50.774)
I think both.

Kelli (07:52.353)
Probably both.

Probably both. she tells him he needs to make a decision about you know, I guess she's basically saying that at her age she probably can't carry a baby. how old is Portia? Is she in her forties by now? Probably, right?

I think she's in her forties.

Kelli (09:40.35)
Does matter. You think Porsche's in her forties?

Wendy (09:44.426)
Portia, I think she is in her 40s,

Kelli (09:46.851)
Yeah. So I don't blame her. Listen, she has to be comfortable. But she says he's quality and she appreciates him taking it slow with her. So listen, I love any scene where we get Mike. I'm bored with any scene we get Mike. now Kelly's at her condo. Her mom and who's the guy? Is that her assistant?

Wendy (10:00.83)
Hehehehehe

Wendy (10:13.416)
I think it's her assistant, yeah.

Kelli (10:15.116)
Yeah. she says that this condo is no longer peace for her because she had to go to court with her neighbor. The neighbor was stalking her and her daughter Chloe. It's causing her anxiety. And Shamia is a very good friend because she has a townhouse that is a rental property that she is letting Kelly stay in. I mean, that's a good friend. Yeah.

Wendy (10:39.476)
That's very nice. Yes. Yes.

Kelli (10:44.47)
Her mom is sad that she'll be further away, but Kelly's like, listen, I'll have those babies bags packed every Friday. You can come take them for the weekend. You know, I was gonna I was thinking this. it's coming up, but you know, we see Shamia letting her stay in her townhouse. We sh see Phaedra offering legal legal services. They must like Kelly and want her on the show because I don't think they'd be just doing that. You know what I mean?

Wendy (10:53.278)
Yeah.

Wendy (11:14.218)
I agree. I agree with you.

Kelli (11:15.436)
Yeah. I think that they must think that Kelly and I like Kelly, so I'm happy to say it, but I think that they must think that Kelly adds value to the show and that her ex is just really going a long distance to make this difficult for her.

Wendy (11:31.102)
Yeah, no, I think that that's exactly what's happening and I'm glad that she has these people there to support her.

Kelli (11:36.099)
Yep. I think it's amazing. So before we get to the parks group, we see Angela with her daughter Arlie and her brother Lawrence, who she says she's extremely close with. And she looks to him for advice. She hasn't seen him since their mom passed. She says her younger daughter misses her mom. and her son does, but he just doesn't know how to show his emotions, which we have sons, so we know all that all too well.

Wendy (12:00.564)
Typical, right. Yep.

Kelli (12:04.406)
know, she starts to cry 'cause she misses her mom and she says that grief is tricky, but she tries her best to deal with the pain. And he asks her brother asks her if Amari's wife Valeria, her oldest daughter's wife Valeria, has been supportive. And Angela says, You know how I feel about her. and her younger kids do not know that Amari is married, and Angela thinks it's

her Amari's job to tell her siblings, which I at first I was like, huh, but you know what? Good for her. I wonder I wonder if this girl Valeria, you know, I wonder what's happened between them that Angela says, you know how I feel about her. Cause it she doesn't seem like the type that has a problem with the fact that her daughter's gay. She might have a problem with the person she's with because of something that's gone on in the past.

Wendy (12:39.722)
Yeah.

Wendy (13:01.908)
That could be.

Kelli (13:02.254)
I mean I hope to God it's not the herd daughter I I don't I don't think that's it.

Wendy (13:05.712)
No, don't know. definitely don't think that's it.

Because her daughter, if you remember last season, was living with her mother and her sister. Right? So there was, right, right. And then there were some issues going on there. So I don't, yeah, I'm sure that it's not about anything like to do with that. It has to be this maybe a personality clash or something.

Kelli (13:20.642)
And her Yeah. Not with her wife. Right.

Kelli (13:38.371)
Yeah, yeah. so then we see Kelly goes to see Phaedra Parks at the Parks Group. And Kelly says she needs miracles on top of miracles, and Phaedra says that she has filed an ex parte proceeding, which is an ex parte filing is a legal request made to a judge by only one party without notifying or including the other party involved in the case. Now

Wendy (13:44.319)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (14:05.268)
It has to, I would imagine, and and her Phaedra's partner does kind of go on to say, it has to be for some extreme circumstances. and then Phaedra says that she might want to file another motion for child support. Quentin, Phaedra's partner, comes in, he brings champagne. So we love a partner like that, and he explains to Kelly that the court will waive the time to respond on a contempt matter, more so than just a regular pleading.

Wendy (14:14.504)
Right.

Kelli (14:34.764)
So I think they're trying to make like an emergent petition. you know, it just seems like her ex is doing all the things to F with her, which is Yeah. And she brings up that she's not able to film with her daughters. And Phaedra says, like, it's very important for us to show that you need to show yourself as a mom. Like this is this is your job now. Yeah. Yes.

Wendy (14:44.158)
Make it, yeah, make it difficult.

Wendy (15:00.01)
Your livelihood. Right.

Kelli (15:04.246)
And Kelly says, like, if he doesn't want me to show my truth, then don't put me through this stuff. Like and she's right. Like, if you don't want to look like an asshole, then don't be an asshole. And I won't make you look like an asshole.

Wendy (15:19.56)
Right. Right.

Kelli (15:20.002)
Simple. And then Phaedra tells her that it's going to be her gift to her because she's not going to charge her because she's been there and she's been through an ugly divorce and she knows how it can go. And for someone who doesn't have money, that can drain you. Listen, I I you know, I've seen it firsthand. I've seen people with so much money they don't know what to do with go to a mediator when they got divorced because they thought

Wendy (15:35.55)
absolutely.

Kelli (15:48.525)
Why am I gonna pay close to a hundred thousand dollars to divorce this person? That's crazy. And I've seen people who don't have that money and have spent tens and tens and tens of thousands of dollars on a divorce. It's crazy. If you can go through a mediator, go through a mediator, but it doesn't sound like she could do that with this guy.

Wendy (16:11.986)
No, it doesn't sound like it. It doesn't. And is her divorce final?

Kelli (16:19.726)
I don't know.

Wendy (16:21.354)
I don't know either.

Kelli (16:23.222)
I feel like we've I feel like that's come out, that it is final. We'll have to look that up.

Wendy (16:28.479)
Yeah.

Kelli (16:31.744)
So Pinky and Derek go to Montel Jordan's house. I'm like

Wendy (16:34.986)
Actually, you know what? is final, Andy introduced her for the first time as Kelly. Kelly, what's her new name or old name? Kelly. It was Farah. Potter, that's right. So yes, yes, it has gone through. Yes.

Kelli (16:41.112)
That's right.

Kelli (16:46.294)
She was Kelly Farrell and now she's Kelly Potter.

Kelli (16:51.798)
Yeah. Yeah, you're right. I'm like, I think we heard this somewhere. So Pinky and Derek go to Montel Jordan's house. I'm like, what? I'm like, Montel Jordan? I love him as an artist. You know what he sings? This is how we do it. You know, that's all right. I'm like, he thinks this is how we do it. and in fact, he does. But now he and his wife Kristen are pastors, and they have also been Pinky and Derek's marriage counselors.

Wendy (16:55.155)
Yeah.

Wendy (17:03.614)
No.

Wendy (17:07.998)
Yeah, yeah, yeah!

Okay.

Wendy (17:21.867)
Honestly, I just thought that he was a singer. I had no idea what he sung, but I thought, my gosh, that's so cool that these are their marriage counselors. I love that other faiths do this. They have married people, counsel married people. The Catholic Church doesn't...

Kelli (17:22.066)
Kelli (17:30.392)
Yeah.

Kelli (17:40.312)
I know.

I totally agree with you because when my father left my mother, you know, my mother was very unhappy and of course she went over to Saint Dominic's and I think she must have spoken to Father Bret Monsignor Brady at the time. But I thought to myself, Well, what's he gonna tell you? He's never he's never been married.

Wendy (17:45.3)
Yeah.

Wendy (17:57.962)
You're right, he's not gonna be able to help you!

Yeah, yeah, no, I love that. Right. Yeah.

Kelli (18:03.606)
Except to the church. You know, I I so I agree with you. I agree with you. So Pinky tells them about the business and her depression. And, you know, she she at one point felt like Derek wasn't there for her. And she tells them that Derek wants to bail her out instead of her filing for bankruptcy. And Kristen says that Pinky is no longer a single project. And she's in a partnership. And Montel says that it's the marriage that makes your business better, not the other way around.

Wendy (18:33.77)
I loved that too.

Kelli (18:34.098)
And I know, I thought that was great. I thought that was great. Pinky says she daily strives to be a better wife for her husband and he's everything she's prayed for. I I like them as a couple, these two.

Wendy (18:37.8)
Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (18:47.366)
I do too. I do too.

Kelli (18:49.484)
Yeah. Yeah. Phaedra p picks up Portia. They're going over to Drew's house and they're talk you know, I mean the whole lunch was basically about Portia, you know, playing on both sides of the field, playing on both teams basically. And Phaedra says that everybody in Atlanta likes surf and turf.

Wendy (19:09.278)
Yep, yep.

Wendy (19:13.5)
I know, I wrote that down too, that was the funniest thing. That is so Phaedra, that is so Phaedra.

Kelli (19:19.854)
She just has the best comments, reads, everything. Yeah. I enjoy her when she's not being messy, Phaedra. I really do. so they're going over to Drew's house and Angela and Cynthia and Drew. they're going to Drew's house. So Angela and Cynthia are there too. And then and then Phaedra's like, so I invited Kay Michelle too.

Wendy (19:23.476)
She really does.

Wendy (19:31.316)
Yeah.

Wendy (19:42.249)
Yes.

Kelli (19:48.044)
And they all looked at her and she's like, I'm just kidding. So this is the alliance, obviously.

Wendy (19:50.41)
I know.

Kelli (19:57.207)
And Drew tells them about Pinky calling her about her project. Like she definitely makes it seem like like Pinky called her to be a part of the project.

Wendy (19:57.748)
Yeah.

Kelli (20:10.296)
Whatever. And Angela says the only person to play Pinky is Mr. Clean. Not nice, Angela. By the way, Mr. and Mrs. Charles Oakley were at game five rooting on the Knicks. Yeah, we do know that. But I need to look into this because there's apparently some beef between him and Patrick Ewing, and you know, they were teammates back in the day.

Wendy (20:22.036)
Yes, they were. Well, you know why they couldn't be at any other game.

Kelli (20:35.218)
along with John Starks. And Patrick Ewing and John Starks have been pretty much at every game in Nick's postseason together. So I need to find out what this beef is between Charles Oakley and Patrick Ewing. If anybody knows, any listeners, let me know. So Drew says that Shamia Drew says that Shamia wanted to talk about Porsche. But Drew's the one who brought Porsche up. When so they're ta they're talking about them, you know

Wendy (21:04.052)
Right.

Kelli (21:04.8)
the eating after the national anthem. Drew is a liar. She's just a liar. Shamia didn't bring Portia up. Anytime somebody brings Porsche up to Shamia, she shuts it down. And same with Porsche. Absolutely. Absolutely. which is interesting 'cause that's how you know that they were really I mean we know that they were really friends, but they're literally not airing their dirty laundry out. Except with each other.

Wendy (21:11.316)
Yeah.

Wendy (21:17.14)
Yep. Portia does the same thing. Yep, she does the same thing. Yep.

Kelli (21:36.45)
So Cynthia says the Shamia told her about some text messages and Portia shut that right down. She's like, Yeah, I'm not talking about no text. She shut it right down.

Drew tells them about Kay leaving the table and then Shamia left too. So I guess this was pretty much just a chance for the alliance to catch up with each other. And then they have a rainbow cake in honor of Porsche.

Wendy (21:57.512)
I think you're right.

Wendy (22:05.168)
And Drew, Drew split it with her. Drew had a piece of that cake too.

Kelli (22:05.504)
Now that's right, that's right.

Kelli (22:12.224)
So this is where the episode got real good in my opinion because I roller skated, you know, for probably yeah. Right? Like four year fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth grade I was at the roller rank every weekend.

Wendy (22:18.174)
was my favorite part of the whole episode.

Kelli (22:28.034)
And Piggy's wearing a wig and she says, give me a fangy because this is hot. The best part was Portia says she's channeling Whitney Houston I Wanna Dance with somebody, and she looked good. But Phaedra literally gets out of the limo or whatever vehicle she drove in with the Whitney Houston wig from I Wanna Dance, one of, because she wore a lot of wigs in that video. But that one specific wig, Phaedra had the wig on. The one from the video.

Wendy (22:32.842)
You

Kelli (22:58.102)
And then we see this guy, Terry, walk up and they're all making comments to Drew. And she explains that she is part of the endometriosis association and she was hosting a health fair. And Silas Walter said to her that you need to start dating again. And I guess invited her to this gentleman Terry introduced her to this gentleman Terry and then Pinky was there and now invited him to the skate party.

Wendy (23:22.174)
That was awkward, actually.

Kelli (23:24.202)
It was very awkward and no offense, but he is no Ralph.

Wendy (23:29.135)
No. Well, yeah. No.

Kelli (23:30.167)
He's not even a black.

But Ralph is fine. So let's set the bar, ladies. Yeah, let's set the bar. So Angela does show up even though it's the anniversary of her mom's passing, and she brought her own skates in case the ladies wanted to say that they didn't have her size.

Wendy (23:36.228)
He is, he is, he is.

Wendy (23:52.774)
Is that why she brought them or because she... I thought she said because she had them.

Kelli (23:57.335)
Well, she said she had too, and she was like, Plus I don't want these ladies saying they don't have my size. And she's like, I can't be the only size eleven in Atlanta, which I doubt she is.

Wendy (24:06.292)
She's not because Cynthia's a size 11.

Kelli (24:08.91)
Exactly. And Portia brought her a present and it was a beautiful picture of her mom. That was very nice of Portia.

Pinky had flowers for her and says, I know we had a rocky start, but you know, I appreciate you being here. And Angela appreciated all the support. K Michelle and Phaedra pushing one of those things around like little kids do when they go ice skating. The fact that they're short enough to push those things around made me laugh. That was hysterical. Some of them could really skate though.

Wendy (24:33.706)
hysterical.

Wendy (24:46.378)
They definitely could, and you know what I loved about this episode? Every one of them was genuinely having fun and laughing. Like this section of the episode, it was such a good part. I didn't, there was no pettiness, and even when they were done, they were outside in the parking lot, like still having fun with the food trucks, like, this is what I like to see. This is what I like to see. Yes, yes. Yeah.

Kelli (24:53.581)
Agreed.

Kelli (24:57.549)
Yes.

Kelli (25:08.012)
yeah, when they were all dancing out by the food truck. They all had a really good time. So well done, Pinky.

Wendy (25:16.189)
I agree.

Kelli (25:16.502)
this is where, you know this is where I get lost in the sauce. Dennis this was the most produced

Wendy (25:23.902)
Yeah, me too.

Kelli (25:28.814)
Produced scene. Portia, don't quit your day job and please don't ever try to go into acting because you suck. This was horrible. Dennis goes to see Portia and she says, even though he could be Dennis the Menace, she loves him and he's a good father. He asks her if she thinks she should slow it down because she's gonna confuse P with all these people she's dating.

And then she goes into when you didn't propose in December, I met somebody and I got engaged. And he said, Yeah, I waited for you to end things with Simon because I knew that wasn't gonna work. And then she says that she gave him a baby and they went looking for rings. And he said he waited around to see if they could maybe do something, but there's nothing he could do with the ring now. And he gives it back to her. And she pops off.

About proposing twice and breaking it off. You're the trauma, not the drama. She goes to the producers. First of all, Dennis is living with another woman. We we're all aware of this now. He has a living girlfriend.

This was so stupid. This scene was so stupid. Did you not agree? She's kicking him out of the house.

Wendy (26:52.596)
I don't agree. I agree that Dennis showing up at the ring was stupid, I think Dennis is stupid. And I do not think Portia knew that that was coming. And I do think she was genuinely upset about the whole situation because he is seeing her. No, I feel like he is seeing her, you know, because he always mentions when he comes in and there's flowers, he's seeing her and now he's hearing that she's dating two different people, a he and a she.

Kelli (27:08.853)
I think she was in on the whole thing.

Wendy (27:22.471)
He's like, well, you know, I guess I'll just give her the ring back. I understand that. like she said, you are the trauma, not the drama. I think he's playing games with her. I think that if she took that ring, he would take her and tell the other one to move out. I do. I really do. And I think that's why she was so pissed. I think she was genuinely pissed. I think she was

Kelli (27:25.454)
But he's got a living girlfriend.

Kelli (27:47.392)
I th see I think it was all fake. I think she was acting poorly, poorly acting.

Wendy (27:52.538)
I think she was genuinely pissed off. He totally took her by surprise. I think that he is an idiot. I think that he had many chances with her. He's the one who broke it off. And, you know, she gave him a timeline and she moved on. And like she said, and this is the important part, and this is why I believe it. First of all, nobody has met Pilar yet. And if I let Dennis back into this house and like,

I can't show Pilar that this is how, you know, we live our lives. And I get that. And I kind of respect her that she said that Pilar has never seen any of this, like never seen any of the fighting. Like even with her and Simon, when they broke up, there wasn't any fighting. Like he just like, he was gone.

Kelli (28:40.846)
That poor bastard got the board.

Wendy (28:43.504)
Yeah, but I'm saying she didn't see, right, she didn't see any fighting and I think that, I think that Portia stands on that, that she doesn't want her daughter to be in the middle of this. They are co-parenting right now well and that's what she wants to do. That's it. You know, he's always going to be in her life. I don't think it was.

Kelli (28:44.673)
It took him away.

Kelli (29:00.394)
I thought it was a staged mess, is what I thought.

Wendy (29:07.016)
I don't think it was. think that she was taken aback by it and that was a freaking gorgeous ring. I may have just kept the ring and told him to get out.

Kelli (29:07.128)
Yeah.

Kelli (29:18.008)
She should have kept the ring. Make it into a necklace like Michelle did.

Wendy (29:21.736)
Well, she did say to keep it for pilar, which I think that would be a good thing. She did say that. I don't know.

Kelli (29:26.702)
Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. But basically that's it. I did not watch watch what happens live. I did not watch an after show. I I I feel like I have no time in my life.

Wendy (29:42.185)
I didn't watch the after show or watch What Happens Live, but it, Watch What Happens Live came out on the podcast today. You know it's on a podcast. Comes out at four o'clock the day after it airs. So I was listening to it on the way home. And it was Cynthia and Alicia from Rhode Island.

Kelli (29:57.506)
Who was on it?

Wendy (30:06.098)
And we didn't get much information out of Cynthia. There was some information we got out of Alicia about the reunion. So not that I wrote it down because I was driving, but if I can remember it when we get to Rhode Island, I'll go over what I, yeah, what I learned.

Kelli (30:18.678)
Yeah, we'll talk about it with Rhode Island. did you see that West is apparently allegedly fired from Summerhouse? T Z reported.

Wendy (30:29.096)
I don't- yeah, I don't- it didn't co- yeah- no, until I hear it from Bravo.

Kelli (30:35.552)
I mean, listen, I I don't think he's coming back. I don't think anybody wants him to come back. I think it would be interesting if he didn't come back and Amanda did come back though. I think it's gonna be real interesting to see Sierra and Amanda in the same house with Amanda not sharing a room with Kyle. I think Amanda would one hundred percent be on an island all by herself. Like how does she come back without Wes?

Wendy (30:35.919)
I mean...

Kelli (30:59.372)
I I don't know, and then she's gonna be in a room with West. It's gonna be weird. But they only have a couple of weeks to figure this out because they start filming on fourth of July.

Wendy (31:08.756)
Yes, they sure do.

right around the corner.

Kelli (31:13.42)
Yeah. Something we didn't talk about. We said we weren't, but we might as well bring it up. Melania Judais being arrested for was it domestic violence or was it I yeah, it was, right? So

Wendy (31:25.642)
It was a domestic dispute. It was, I think, simple assaults, which is assault with intent to do bodily injury, I believe is the definition.

Kelli (31:34.925)
Okay.

Wendy (31:40.191)
That's the only official word. Because it is domestic, they're not going to give you any details like who the assault was against or what it was against. what I've seen a lot of is that it was her with Louie, her assaulting Louie, and that her sisters called 911, which makes sense to me. Makes sense to me.

Kelli (31:43.274)
Yeah, like

Kelli (32:03.73)
I totally makes sense. It totally makes sense. I feel bad for her, because

He's a grown man, so he should have been able to manage that. If if if it is Louie, he I'm never gonna take Louie's side, let's put it that way. and I happen to like Melania and I think she seems like a very level headed. She seems like she could pop off, but me too. She seems like a very level headed kid, so something set her off. And if it was in fact him that was involved in the situation, then he should have handled whatever situation it was better.

Wendy (32:26.738)
Kelli (32:44.994)
Because he is a grown man living in her mother's house. Probably not contributing a damn thing.

Wendy (32:52.263)
Exactly.

Yeah, and supposedly her Instagram post that went up about this time that happens were kind of cryptic and, you know, something to do with, I don't have the exact post here, but, you know, I'll always stand by my mother, you know, all, you know, family is like kind of leading us to believe that there was an incident between her mother and Louie and she got in the middle of it. Yeah.

Kelli (33:20.408)
That's what I'm thinking. That's what I'm thinking. Why she got arrested though is is is puzzling me. I think Louis' handsy. I'm just saying I think Louis gets handsy with Teresa. If if we've learned nothing else about this man, right.

Wendy (33:29.278)
Because, no, it's not puzzling me.

Wendy (33:37.246)
Well, even if he's verbally, even-

Even if he's verbally assaulting Teresa, Melania is not gonna be verbal about it. She's gonna go in. You know? Yeah.

Kelli (33:50.989)
And good for her. And I I hope to God. Well, see, the problem is when you get an assault charge, assault charge, it's not up to the person it's not up to the victim to drop the charges. It becomes the state of New Jersey versus Melania Judice. It's not Louis Ruelis versus Melania Judice. So the it's not like the charges can be dro if Louis says, I don't want to press charge Nope. We're done. State of New Jersey versus Melania Judice. So

But I hope to God that you know she doesn't face a harsh penalty for this.

Wendy (34:25.598)
Well, she did already have to appear in court and she did appear a couple days after it happened and there was no plea entered.

Which I think can mean one of a couple things. There was no plea entered because maybe the charges weren't official charges or maybe they're going to try and talk to the prosecutor and get it dismissed before it has to go to a plea so that... Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (34:59.512)
That's what it was. That's probably what it was. Because you get scheduled for a plea hearing and right, you don't have yeah, you can put it off. Right, it was a first appearance. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (35:08.37)
It was a first appearance. Like it was a couple days after, it was a couple days after, you know, the arrest, which is the first appearance and you know.

Kelli (35:15.148)
Right. Yeah, that's probably what it was. They're gonna talk to the prosecutor and see their attorney's gonna talk to the prosecutor.

Wendy (35:22.184)
Yeah, that's what my guess is. And if that happens, which I would imagine it probably will.

Kelli (35:25.219)
Well

Kelli (35:29.186)
I'll tell you what.

Wendy (35:29.258)
I mean, they're not gonna make an example of a 20 year old kid. mean, it's not gonna, we're not gonna see any.

Kelli (35:32.846)
N well, yeah, but the problem is that she's Teresa's daughter, so they might. They might. Because look at what happened to Teresa when she went to court.

Wendy (35:37.788)
No, I don't think they will. I don't think the prosecutors... But that's different. That was federal. This is Montvale police. This is local, you know, they're not gonna do it. They're not gonna do it. They're not, I don't think they're gonna do it.

Kelli (35:44.222)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (35:49.794)
Well I'll tell you what, Louie's very lucky that Joe Judice is not in this country. Cause do you could you imagine? He better he better sleep with one eye open 'cause P Judice is in this country.

Wendy (36:02.2)
that's his brother?

Kelli (36:03.628)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (36:07.742)
Yeah.

Kelli (36:08.45)
But yeah, we didn't touch on that. Anything else? I don't feel like we I don't think anything else has really dropped.

Wendy (36:15.92)
No, but today is McBee Dynasty, the first, the premiere.

Kelli (36:19.598)
right. Okay.

Yeah, we gotta wait on that. We gotta wait until summer at least until summer house is over.

Wendy (36:27.176)
Yeah, I agree.

Kelli (36:28.204)
And now Rhode Island's or like you know, we're winding down with those two shows, so it frees up some time. But I'm exhausted.

Wendy (36:32.682)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (36:36.542)
Me too. Me too! I'm exhausted too. And I'm still not. I'm still sick.

Kelli (36:39.086)
And Wendy hasn't been feeling good, so she's doubly exhausted. Right. Right. So yeah, that's it. Thank you so much for listening and watching. Please like, subscribe, share, and give five star reviews. Bye.