Lori (00:01.23)
Hi, welcome to EY and Whenever. Tonight we're gonna talk about Real Housewives of Orange County, Reach for the Sky Tops, season twenty, episode seventeen. I'm Lori.

Wendy (00:14.1)
Wendy.

Kelli (00:15.346)
And I'm Kelly.

Lori (00:16.78)
Very good. Okay. So we start off 'cause of course my printer printed half of my notes.

Kelli (00:28.977)
Lori (00:30.466)
Yeah. So it's just a good day. Emily's out with her daughter and they're making some custom perfume, which I always wanted to do that. You wanna do that? I wanna do that. Yeah, I think that's cool. Yes. Okay. And she apologizes for not being there as much as she should have been, especially with this situation with the Luke. so that was kind of like a cute little scene.

Wendy (00:36.974)
That looks cool. Yes. Yes, let's do that.

Kelli (00:37.33)
I would like I would like to do that.

Yeah. After lip lab. Lip lab is first.

Wendy (00:55.95)
I actually love that scene with her and her daughter. Like her daughter, Annabelle, is of the age where she can be kind of ratty. You know, she's a teenager, but she's been through a lot. I thought it was a really sincere scene and I thought they got along really well and they were honest with each other, which I really liked.

Lori (01:03.638)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (01:15.24)
Yeah, me too.

Lori (01:16.364)
Yeah, I felt like it was sincere. And those are those scenes are always so nice. And then we go to Jen's house where she's talking to her son Dominic, who's twelve. the horror of twelve year old boys.

Wendy (01:18.454)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (01:21.054)
Yes.

Wendy (01:33.816)
But is he the one who started the fire? Is he the one who started I think he is. I think he might be. I think he might be. I don't know so I don't wanna

Kelli (01:34.416)
It's it was very triggering. I I don't know.

Lori (01:37.196)
I don't know I don't know, you think so?

Kelli (01:42.984)
We never found out which one it was, I don't think. Somebody so some one of our listeners did comment which one it was, and I don't think they said Dominic, but I forget.

Lori (01:45.346)
No no, we never did.

Lori (01:52.704)
Yeah. So, Jen says she she got an email that he has detention and she says he's in a space where he's not listening to anybody. And she tells him, Well, you know, we have to get to a space where you're respectful of of adults. And he was kinda being a typical twelve year old boy, like blowing it off.

Wendy (02:16.93)
Listen yeah, and he doesn't have, you know, a father figure. Yeah, Ryan's there. But Ryan, as you see, has to ask Jan's permission, which I get, to step in.

Lori (02:24.172)
Right.

Kelli (02:28.061)
He's gotta tread very lightly. Yeah. I mean, where is there where is this guy, Will? Like I sta g go take care of your kids, Will. Even if you can't financially, emotionally, they two of them are having issues. Go check on them.

Lori (02:30.54)
Right.

Wendy (02:30.732)
He does have to tread lightly.

Lori (02:37.866)
Absolutely.

Lori (02:43.383)
Sure. Yeah.

Wendy (02:45.536)
I bet you it's more than two. I think it's just two that we've seen so far. I bet you it's way deeper. It's sad too, because I feel like Jen is and you know, she you can see she's overwhelmed. Like, you know, when he s suggests therapy, which I think is a great suggestion. And no, it's cause she I think she's overwhelmed. She doesn't know. She feels like everyone is piling on her and she's responsible for everything. And we've all been there. Like we've been there.

Kelli (02:49.299)
Probably. Right. Mm-hmm.

Lori (02:50.721)
Yeah.

Kelli (03:00.935)
Yeah. I didn't like her reaction to that, but I know we'll get there.

Lori (03:03.38)
Yeah.

Kelli (03:13.383)
We have been there and we've dropped everything to get our kids the help they needed.

Lori (03:13.793)
Yeah.

Wendy (03:18.154)
I I think she would. I think it was just in the minute. Like in that minute when he suggested it, like if someone calls you and they just got into an accident and you're in a C C D class.

Kelli (03:27.645)
Right. Good point. Very good point. Very good point.

Lori (03:28.755)
Right. Yeah. You're like you gotta be kidding me. Yeah. Are you okay?

Kelli (03:38.674)
I'm in C C D.

Kelli (03:42.897)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (03:43.145)
And then Gina we see Gina and then her ex husband and his wife and they all meet up. That's kinda weird. Isn't that weird though?

Wendy (03:51.33)
They've gotten along

Kelli (03:51.858)
And she look she looks just like Kelly Dodd to me. I always think she's Kelly Dodd. I can't take it. It's her it's her doppelganger.

Lori (03:57.014)
That's what everybody says. That's what everybody says.

Wendy (03:58.958)
Yeah.

Lori (04:02.305)
But now wasn't he like abusive or something?

Wendy (04:05.602)
Yes. Yes.

Kelli (04:07.773)
There was definitely at least one incident that we know about, yeah.

Wendy (04:11.618)
But she has gone to therapy and for the sake of her children and co parenting, she's moved on and I think it's really good. I think it's good for the children. I think it's good for their family. And I give her a lot of credit.

Lori (04:25.005)
I mean were the were the kids there at that dinner or was it just the adults? 'Cause if it's

Kelli (04:28.921)
No, it was just them. They were coming home from a party when that and the when the incident we know about happened. But he also had a very big health scare. And so I think maybe he was a drinker or something. Maybe that's what led to his that his behavior that evening. And I'm sure after that health scare he's calmed down a bit.

Wendy (04:37.581)
Yes.

Lori (04:37.813)
Yeah, so he had a heart attack, right, at forty or whatever.

Lori (04:45.717)
And it kinda s snapped him.

Wendy (04:45.998)
Mm.

Wendy (04:53.59)
And Gina's been close with I mean, I d I guess they're not married, right? I thought that they were married.

Kelli (04:58.949)
I thought they were married. Her name's Brittany, I know that. I think Gina's trying to get her on the show, quite honestly. And I think if they amicably co-parent and have a good relationship with each other, they should bring her on the show.

Lori (04:59.405)
I don't think s yeah, I don't think so.

Wendy (05:01.772)
Yeah.

Wendy (05:09.325)
Yeah.

Wendy (05:12.694)
I agree. I think it would be a good dynamic for people to see. Because I do believe that I do believe the rumors out there that Emily she's not coming back next year. I don't think they're gonna ask her back. I don't think they're gonna ask her back. I don't know, it's just a rumor.

Kelli (05:15.664)
Exactly.

Kelli (05:21.766)
really? But on her own accord they're not gonna ask her back.

Lori (05:28.267)
Yeah, we'll see. So I thought that little dinner was interesting. I was like, hmm, it's an interesting kind of dynamic.

Kelli (05:35.475)
Well, I f I thought it was interesting that she was asking them about their finances, like how they have things set up. So they must be married based on the questions she was asking.

Wendy (05:42.403)
Well, no, because she was well, 'cause they were talking about the prenup and you know, she was saying how important it was, and especially, you know, in case of emergency, like as far as medical decision making. Like sh she was trying to explain that Brittany doesn't have any any authority to make any medical decisions for Matt. That means they're not married, right? That means they're not married. So that's what she was.

Kelli (06:02.572)
so then maybe they're not married, yeah.

Lori (06:04.139)
Right, they're not married, no. No.

Kelli (06:07.505)
And that was funny where she was like, Am I making the medical decisions? And he was like, No, no. She'll be like, Nah, he ain't making it.

Wendy (06:12.033)
No, right.

Yeah, right. Right. Yeah.

Lori (06:17.173)
He's very good looking.

Kelli (06:18.899)
he's one of the best looking housewives husbands there have been to date in the past twenty years. A very handsome guy.

Lori (06:25.109)
Yeah, he's very good looking. Yeah. Very handsome. And then we see Shannon meets with the dog psychic. I'm a big dog person, but I don't know about a dog psychic. I'm thinking no.

Kelli (06:40.218)
my boss brought his his dog.

Wendy (06:44.014)
To a psychic?

Lori (06:45.175)
To say I remember that. I remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (06:47.931)
The entities. His dog freaks out in the car. So they brought him to someone, you know, like a dog mediator or whatever. And they said the reason that he barks and goes crazy when he's in the car is because he sees entities, which are spirits.

Wendy (06:49.55)
Mm.

Wendy (07:03.947)
Mm. Only in the car.

Kelli (07:06.577)
Well, I guess, you know, when he's in thank God when he's in the office he doesn't see them there. 'Cause I'd pack my shit and get out.

Lori (07:07.457)
I guess they're all on the highway, Wendy.

Wendy (07:10.035)
Lori (07:13.383)
Just on the highway. There's this highway highway spirits.

Kelli (07:21.235)
Yeah.

Lori (07:21.335)
Okay. So I don't know. I don't know, but I don't know about that whole thing. And then we see Tamra's at the dock. She's going on a tiki boat ride. And she meets the captain whose name is Sydney. And of course she has to say, I haven't done her name, Sydney. that's a big shocker. And that

Wendy (07:40.152)
Mm.

Kelli (07:46.495)
This is this is what I think. Sorry. I think because I'm like, why is it Tamra, Jen, and Carmella? I think like what Wendy said, I think the jig is up for Emily, which probably means the jig is up for Gina too. And I think Tamra's got wind of that.

Wendy (08:02.83)
Think Janice. I think

Lori (08:03.441)
No, I no. The all the social media posts I have seen is Gina Stays, Emily Goes.

Wendy (08:09.784)
Gina stays, Emily goes, Tamar stays, Shannon becomes a friend of. Heather stays. Jen Pedranti is gone.

Lori (08:14.817)
Friend of

Kelli (08:18.428)
I think Tamra's buddying up with Jen and Carmela because she knows they're coming back or thinks they're coming back. That's why I think she's trying to form this alliance. I figured if Emily went, Gina would go. I mean, honestly, what does Gina bring to the table though?

Wendy (08:24.066)
Yeah. It could be because this was filmed a while ago. It was filmed it was filmed a while ago.

Lori (08:24.373)
Mm.

Lori (08:29.154)
Yeah.

Wendy (08:35.298)
Well, what does Emily bring to the table? Her story?

Kelli (08:38.12)
That's what I'm saying. It's just the two of them were not like they're each other's buddies, right? Like they back each other up.

Wendy (08:43.586)
I would like to see Gina without Emily.

Kelli (08:46.834)
Yeah. Yeah, 'cause I would have liked to have seen Jen Aiden without Teresa, so you're right. Let's see one of them without the other.

Lori (08:52.727)
Right.

Wendy (08:55.511)
Yeah.

Lori (08:56.503)
So what do you think about Tamar's adderall line of questioning?

Wendy (09:03.35)
I thought it was as someone who takes Adderall. I'll say it right now, I thought it's totally obnoxious. Who are you to judge her? Are you her doctor? Are you her doctor?

Lori (09:12.545)
Yeah, I I didn't get that. It it's not like it's not like she's taken sinus medicine. It's a prescribed medication for for a a real thing. Like w I I don't understand why and I don't know why Carmella wasn't like

Wendy (09:20.129)
Right.

Wendy (09:26.903)
Yes.

Wendy (09:33.09)
Because Carmel is that's who Carmel is. She's not gonna stand her ground. And honestly, I'm glad you brought that up because I I would have been all over that because I like I said, I take it. It's I get it prescribed by a doctor. I see a a medical professional. It is a medical condition. Who are you to question me? If I had if I if

Lori (09:36.245)
Yeah, she's not yeah.

Kelli (09:44.436)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (09:47.883)
Right. Right. Why are you asking me?

Kelli (09:47.934)
Right. And that's for her AD when she says her ADHD medicine, that's what she's talking about, Adderall.

Wendy (09:53.781)
Yes, yes, Adderall, yes, yes. But it's a considered a controlled dangerous substance. It is very, very

Lori (09:54.113)
Yeah, yeah.

I just

Kelli (10:00.179)
Yeah, of course. Well, because like you know, you hear college kids abusing it and

Wendy (10:05.1)
Right. But that has made it for the people that do take it e in the United States, like it's very hard for me to get it. I have to talk to I have to visit my doctor every single month. I have to get the prescription to the pharmacy. The pharmacy will only refill it thirty days to the day after I picked it up. So if they can't get it, which it's hard to get because it's out of stock in many places, so if they can't get it for a while, then I don't get it for a while. S so again, it's crazy. It's crazy.

Lori (10:31.244)
Right.

Lori (10:34.999)
Yeah, I just thought that was like really, really ballsy and I I just I felt like push if I was Carmelo I would just like push her off the boat.

Wendy (10:44.846)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (10:45.074)
Yeah, push her right off the boat. I wish they would have done that anyway.

Lori (10:46.903)
Get out of here. Get out of here. You know, questioning whether it's good for her and Carmella's so nice and explains that it's a medication that you have to be weaned off of. And shall

Kelli (10:57.832)
Right, of course.

Wendy (10:58.754)
That a that actually is not correct. I just wanna tell her. No, it you don't have to be weaned off it. It's only

Kelli (11:01.842)
Really?

Lori (11:05.057)
But maybe she's saying that in regards because she has the diabetes. I would think that that could factor.

Wendy (11:09.142)
It could be because it could be because of the diabetes. That that could definitely factor. If you're just taking it for ADHD, you can stop it. But yes, I I agree. Probably because of the diabetes. It she would have to be. Yeah.

Lori (11:24.087)
So Carmel explains that after the, you know, Snafu and not able being able to go to Japan and, you know, not having the Adderall that she has decided to wean off of it. And then Tamra making problems again, asks her, how are you gonna deal with Vicky? And then we find out Vicki's having a party and that Carmel's not really invited.

Kelli (11:46.27)
Which is ridiculous. Because it's the end of the year party for the season twentieth reun you're like, come on. This is like a big thing. You don't ice her out, Vicky. What the hell's the matter with you?

Wendy (11:47.693)
It's ridiculous.

Wendy (11:52.918)
Yeah, yeah, exactly. No, no.

Lori (11:53.847)
Right.

Lori (11:57.216)
Right. And it's not like they had some huge banger knockout fight where Carmela said something so irrehensible to her that she would never like it's no. Just stop it. And then you know, Tamara says, you should just show up. You really need to confront Vicky. And then Jen said Yeah. And then Jen says, No, you shouldn't just show up.

Wendy (12:03.437)
Mm mm.

Kelli (12:08.774)
Right.

Kelli (12:19.892)
Yeah, she's really egging her on.

Lori (12:26.969)
And then we're at Heather's and her mother comes over and Heather is discussing how her son Ace feels estranged from his grandmother. I just maybe it's just the way that Heather is presenting it, but it just doesn't seem like she's like very grandmotherly.

Wendy (12:46.84)
She's not.

Kelli (12:48.382)
So let's back up though. Ace was born a biological girl and now identifies as a boy, correct?

Lori (12:48.481)
Right?

Wendy (12:49.4)
She's not.

Wendy (13:00.366)
Correct, but I didn't think we were gonna bring that up.

Kelli (13:03.902)
Well, I'm only bringing it up because I almost feel like Heather is making it like maybe her mom has an issue with that and that's why she's not as close with Ace as she is, say, Max, who she speaks to a lot. That's the only reason I'm bringing it up.

Lori (13:21.109)
just I don't even I don't even think and I don't know anything about the situation. This is just my backward ass talking. I don't even think it's that. I just think that she's just just a very self no, she's just a very self involved person.

Wendy (13:32.674)
I she's not very grandmotherly. She's not.

Kelli (13:35.666)
I don't think it's that either. I just thought it was interesting that that that was the comparison. My my parents I could tell you this right now. My parents have eight grandchildren and they definitely speak to some more than others. For sure.

Lori (13:41.493)
Mm.

Wendy (13:41.709)
Yeah.

Lori (13:55.341)
Hm. Okay.

Kelli (13:56.798)
So

Wendy (13:57.869)
Yeah, I think I think that that's not out of the norm either, to be quite honest with you. I think that that, you know, you kind of I guess they click with one child more than another, and maybe that and like Heather's mom said, and I'm not making excuses for Heather's mom, the phone does ring both ways. Right? But that being said, when Heather presents it to her mother that Ace feels a certain way about it, I do believe that her mother

Kelli (14:09.512)
Exactly.

Lori (14:10.071)
Well then another. Right.

Kelli (14:16.658)
Right. Right. Mm-hmm.

Lori (14:16.865)
This is true too. This is true too. Yep. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (14:27.476)
should do something about it because she is the adult.

Kelli (14:31.134)
Well, especially if all the kid was asking for was a handwritten note. How hard is that?

Wendy (14:36.801)
Right.

Kelli (14:40.756)
That's not difficult to do. And if that's all the kid is asking for, do it.

Wendy (14:45.133)
Yeah.

Lori (14:46.443)
Right. And then Heather says moving forward she doesn't want there to be things left unsaid. And you know, she asks this question to her mother and her mother says, Well, I can't think of anything. I Yeah.

Wendy (14:47.788)
Yeah.

Wendy (15:00.066)
Her mother is very cold. She's very stoic. She's very cold. I was actually disappointed that we didn't get to see her art. I thought we were gonna get an art show. Right? She did talk about it that the LA scene is is different than the New York scene and it was a more open. Yeah. I guess we just ran out of time.

Lori (15:08.383)
Yeah, I'd love to see that too.

Lori (15:14.637)
A lot more open than New York, yeah.

Lori (15:19.936)
I guess I don't.

Kelli (15:20.188)
I think that her mom when she said, No, there's nothing else I wanna talk like I don't think this woman wants to air their personal issues on national television. But, you know, Heather was this was part of Heather's storyline this season. And I don't say that in a negative way. I just mean like maybe she thought it was gonna be cathartic for her to bring her mom on the show. Maybe it would force them to work through some issues, but her mother was like shutting it down.

Lori (15:29.836)
Right.

Lori (15:47.275)
Right or open her mother up in a certain way. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (15:50.332)
Right. But her mom was shutting it down. Which, you know, you're not gonna teach an old dog new tricks.

Lori (15:54.838)
Right. And Heather is saying to her mother t that she grew up in a very she grew up as a very emotional child and would get laughed at. and then her mother tells her that she has a hard time laughing at herself. And Heather agrees.

Wendy (15:54.924)
You certainly are not.

Kelli (16:10.854)
At least she agreed to it, right?

Lori (16:12.389)
Yeah. And then Shannon and Gina meet up at a hotel where they're gonna be having Shannon and Gina? Did I write that down? Gina and Vicky. Yeah, yes. Yes, yes. So is

Wendy (16:13.41)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (16:23.109)
no, Gina and Vicky go to the Coto de Casa Country Club to plan their party.

Wendy (16:27.222)
Yeah, where she's having the party. I totally forgot that Gina used to live in that same development. I remembered that she had a a nice house, but I did not actually maybe I didn't even realize it that she was in the same Right.

Kelli (16:39.228)
I I don't think we knew until she just said it last week, last week's episode she said it.

Lori (16:43.341)
So that is the name that is the name of the area, Kodo. And and is that why she named is that why she named her insur her insurance company Kodo?

Wendy (16:44.045)
Yeah.

Kelli (16:47.806)
Coda Dika.

Wendy (16:49.422)
Coders de casa. Yes. Yes.

Kelli (16:51.464)
And it's a gated community. So when they first yeah, so yes, Kodo Insurance, yes.

Lori (16:56.437)
Okay, 'cause I was wondering where that name came from, but now that I'm hearing it, I'm okay. Okay.

Wendy (16:56.524)
Yes. Yes. It's like it's like the villages. No, it's not like the villages, but it is a gated community.

Kelli (16:58.996)
Mm-hmm. Because she started it out of her house.

Lori (17:03.975)
Okay.

Kelli (17:07.272)
We have got to watch that documentary on the villages.

Lori (17:09.397)
we have we have to. We have to. Another thing I definitely want to watch is I want to watch that mob show on Hulu.

Wendy (17:10.782)
Yes, we do.

Wendy (17:18.36)
With I've heard it's so bad.

Lori (17:21.397)
Really?

Kelli (17:21.768)
I don't wanna watch that. And I love Gina Gershawn. Wait, is she on it? Not Gina Gershawn. Well she might be on it too, but Debbie Maser. I love her. Joe Gorga.

Wendy (17:23.148)
Yeah, I've heard it's so bad.

Wendy (17:27.528)
No, Debbie Mazar and yeah.

Lori (17:31.507)
Isn't Gorga on there too? No? Okay, okay. All right. Look good to me. Swice. Poo-pooed it all. Alright. Yeah. So then we find out about the sky tops, which I never even knew this was called that. And that

Wendy (17:34.646)
Yeah, Joe Gorga's on there. Yeah. No, we could try it. We we could try it. We could try it.

Kelli (17:38.644)
I mean, we could try it. We could try it.

We could we could try it. We could try it.

Wendy (17:54.04)
So did you have any now that you saw what it is? Like, did you ever ha wear a sky top?

Lori (17:57.882)
yes. come on now. I might even have one in the archives in there.

Kelli (17:58.141)
I'm sure you did. Yeah.

I I was just gonna say there's probably a couple hanging in her basement.

Wendy (18:02.89)
I was like probably more than one. Probably one for each of us.

Lori (18:05.193)
There might be some in the archives. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (18:07.58)
In her cedar closet down there, definitely.

Her lower level.

Lori (18:13.461)
Yes. So then Gina asks if Carmel is invited. Vicky says no. She doesn't like the things that she said. And I I didn't like how Gina just kinda like went right along with that. Like, yeah. No, it's like

Wendy (18:13.73)
Ha ha ha.

Kelli (18:27.166)
Totally agree. Mm-hmm.

Lori (18:31.465)
So Vicky asked if Gina was offended when everyone started asking her about her money.

And then we go into a scene with Carmela at her house. She's talking about how her funds are still tied to her husband and that they do business together and then we find out once her children are out of high school they'll divorce and split their assets, which is probably a really smart way to go.

Wendy (18:57.784)
Definitely.

Kelli (18:57.94)
I mean, if they have a good working relationship, you know. I'll tell you what though. He is this where he comes in? Me neither. I'm like, who's this guy? He played in the NFL. I'm like, what?

Wendy (19:04.846)
I no idea he was that old. That was the first time we saw him.

Lori (19:09.485)
I'm gonna tell you something.

Wendy (19:11.926)
Yeah. I mean

Lori (19:13.401)
I for some reason I thought her husband was African American. I don't know why. I know, but you know, I don't know. I know.

Wendy (19:19.98)
His name is Garcia.

Wendy (19:26.6)
Ha ha

Kelli (19:28.508)
Did not matter, but that is pretty funny.

Lori (19:30.773)
Yeah, I really did. I saw him and I was like, I don't know why.

Kelli (19:34.21)
Wait, I I'll do you one better. When he walked in, I'm like, that's not what I was expecting. And I'm thinking in my head, he must he must so he was a baseball player. I'm thinking he was a baseball player. Cause I I mean, with the some exceptions, obviously, a lot of baseball players don't look physically fit enough to be playing a professional sport. But then when he said I'm going back to the NFL, I'm like, This fucking guy was in the NFL?

Wendy (19:44.27)
No

Lori (19:54.134)
Right, right, right.

Wendy (19:54.39)
That's true. He actually

Wendy (20:00.387)
He looked physically fit. It was just the pop smurf. He's old. It was the Papa Smurf beard that just did it for me. I was like, whoa! Back up. Exactly. Or diet. Do something. Because that is aging you. Yeah, that's aging you. You know speaking of that, I did not.

Lori (20:02.572)
Yes.

Kelli (20:03.06)
Yeah, but not for the NFL.

Kelli (20:09.908)
Shave that beard.

Lori (20:15.149)
Do something, yeah.

Kelli (20:15.284)
Do something. It's aging him, yeah. Good looking guy, don't get me wrong, but didn't didn't scream NFL to me.

Wendy (20:24.682)
You did you know, I did not know this. LeBron James dyes his beard during the season. LeBron James has a great beard. I mean, the king, excuse me. The king, well, he's he's he's my boy's king. Two of my boys, he's he's their king. He dyes his beard during the season while he's flying back and forth from New York to Philly. Can you believe that?

Kelli (20:35.272)
He's not my gang.

Kelli (20:49.906)
And just lets it go the rest well, really, what's the the season's so friggin' long. They only have off like three months and not even off 'cause they're got they got a train. I don't know.

Wendy (20:52.449)
Yes.

It is so long. Yeah. Yeah. I don't get the whole I don't get the beard thing. Just shave the damn thing off. Let's just see your face. I'm not a facial hair person. I know. I know. yeah, you yeah. I'm not a facial hair person. Sorry.

Lori (21:06.081)
Yeah. I don't know.

Kelli (21:07.058)
Yeah, these guys love their beards. Eric loves his beard.

Lori (21:18.221)
Alright, so let's make

Kelli (21:19.272)
The kids are like, Yeah, go back to the NFL because of the contracts. Now the contracts are so much bigger than they were. I I think it's all relative, but n it's it's it's for real that, you know, these guys

Wendy (21:19.382)
Sorry, went on a tangent.

Wendy (21:31.372)
When did he play? Do we know? I'm gonna look I'm gonna Google it while you guys keep talking.

Lori (21:33.942)
I don't know. Google it up. Google it up. So then we see Jen and Ryan, right? That's her boyfriend's name, Ryan. They're sitting down and Ryan wants to talk about the situation with Dom and his meeting at school and he missed eighty assignments. And then she corrects him and says eighty-eight. my God.

Kelli (21:34.899)
Yeah, Google it.

Kelli (22:00.735)
So basically the kid has done nothing since school started.

Lori (22:01.191)
Eighty eight assignment n right, like

But how but my question to you is, how does that how does that even happen? Like how do you let your kid miss eighty assignments?

Kelli (22:17.652)
What do mean let your kid? She don't know until it's brought to her attention. Listen, some parents aren't stalking parent portal like I was a maniac and I wish I weren't, but I was.

Wendy (22:19.5)
Yeah, exactly. What do you mean?

Lori (22:21.663)
No but I'm s no, but I'm saying

Lori (22:30.295)
But but wouldn't you wouldn't something come home or s wouldn't you have some indication at like forty assignments?

Wendy (22:34.25)
No, no, no, no, no, no, a big fat no, Lori, no, no. As a mother to three boys, no. Unless you have nothing else to do and can stalk that parent portal, that chick can get away from you.

Lori (22:40.012)
Really?

Kelli (22:53.672)
Big time. And listen, it's not it's not necessarily it's not necessarily eighty-eight assignments in one class. This kid's in middle school. He's probably got six or seven classes that's spread out over there. That could it could just have been the past three weeks. This kid just decided I ain't doing a thing. And now eighty-eight assignments later, yeah, and you know, now.

Lori (22:54.827)
I just I just figured they would let the parents know when it got to like forty.

Wendy (22:58.701)
No.

Wendy (23:02.958)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (23:07.597)
Yeah.

Lori (23:08.648)
so it's in all those classes. Okay.

Lori (23:16.977)
okay. Okay. I don't know. To me eighty eight assignments has sounded like half the year.

Kelli (23:24.38)
Of course, of course, but spread over five classes. I don't know. trust me, it's easy to get away from you and if you're working and you're you know st if you're busy doing other thing I'm not making excuses for, but it's a full time job. And these kids lie, they lie, they lie. They lie to the teacher, they lie to you, they do whatever they gotta do.

Wendy (23:37.902)
It's a full time job. It's a full time job to keep

Wendy (23:48.344)
They lie right to your face. Yep, my homework's done.

Kelli (23:50.056)
To avo just to just to avoid doing the damn assignment. They're lying.

Wendy (23:53.613)
Yep, my work, my homework's done. Let me see it. Ugh. No, no, let me see it. Ugh They lie. They lie right to your face. That's what they do. Okay, listen to this. Jeff Garcia. This is impressive. NFL career timeline. San Francisco 49ers from 1999 to 2003. Four times Pro Bowl. Cleveland Browns 2004 to 2005. Detroit Lions 2006. Philadelphia Eagles 2006.

Lori (24:00.949)
Ha ha ha.

Kelli (24:01.662)
They lie. Yep. Yep.

Lori (24:04.373)
Yeah.

Wendy (24:21.582)
and brief stints returns later. Tampa Buccaneers 2007 to 2008, Oakland Raiders 2009, Houstis Houston Texans 2011, and prior to his NFL career, he played in the Canadian Football League in Calgary from ninety-four to ninety-eight.

Kelli (24:41.396)
So he was in the NFL for twelve years. That's impressive. Yeah.

Wendy (24:44.086)
Yes, that's a long time in the NFL and four years prior to that in Canada. This guy's in good shape. Now I didn't look how how old he is. Let me look to see what it looks like without that beard. Do we have a picture of him without the beard? 'Cause I my it so ages him.

Kelli (24:49.939)
Right.

Kelli (24:56.808)
Ha ha.

Kelli (25:00.176)
It definitely ages him. 'Cause you know what? I wasn't even paying attention to his physical, you know, appearance. I was just so fixated on the beard and I was like, How old is this guy? Carmela's like a baddie. I mean, I know she's got a college age kid, but she don't look it.

Lori (25:06.861)
'Cause you're looking at the beard.

Lori (25:13.291)
Right. Who's this?

Who's this Santa Claus?

Wendy (25:16.928)
No, she looks amazing. So he Santa Claus is fifty-six. He's only fifty-six.

Kelli (25:21.844)
Ha ha ha.

Kelli (25:26.59)
He looks older. He does look older. Get rid of the beard or dye it, one or the other.

Lori (25:27.659)
He looks older. He does look older.

Wendy (25:30.701)
Yeah.

Lori (25:31.8)
Get rid of the beard. Yeah. Yeah. I think he's gotta ditch the beard. All right. So anyway, back to Jen and Ryan. they say that the ex husband was supposed to be at the meeting, but then he only came on to the Zoom and didn't didn't say didn't participate in anything. And then and hasn't reached out to Jen since about some kind of solution.

Wendy (25:33.344)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (25:46.102)
It didn't say anything.

Lori (25:57.89)
So you know, Jen's wondering if Dom's acting out because of the divorce. And Jen says he has a massive attitude problem and no respect. Ryan says, Well, how are you got and I gonna fix it? And Jen says, Well, we do we just have to keep doing what we're doing. But obviously doing what you're doing isn't working. And then that's when Ryan suggests the therapist.

Wendy (26:19.572)
Yes, that's that's it.

Kelli (26:20.702)
Now

Wendy (26:25.398)
Which is a good it's a good suggestion.

Lori (26:28.225)
Right. And Ryan says he wants to step in and help, but Jen's always acting like it's gonna be too much for him. Like I I it feels like she's afraid to let him parent her children.

Kelli (26:29.278)
Yeah, it's a

Kelli (26:41.438)
Well, I think it's a very fine line if she already has issues with the father and the father's clearly checked out, or at least that's how it's being presented to us. The father's checked out and not parenting these kids at all. So if she then lets Ryan in

Lori (26:53.101)
Mm-hmm.

Right.

Kelli (27:03.846)
And has him help, then it's gonna be where it's almost gonna be like a gaslighting situation where the husband's never gonna acknowledge that he's not doing anything, but he's gonna point the finger and be like, Well, you let Ryan, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's how I like I feel like it's gonna be a gaslighting situation. I don't know this guy Will, but I feel like it's time for Will to enter the chat because either either he is a deadbeat or he's just sitting back and letting them portray him as one.

Lori (27:16.975)
Right, right, right.

Wendy (27:25.574)
he's not entering.

Lori (27:33.215)
Right. But somebody's gotta be the disciplinarian. Somebody just

Wendy (27:33.283)
I I also think right. I think that Ryan needs Jen's approval also because that way Dom knows what he says is serious. Because it's it's also his house. I mean they're all living in his house. His his daughter's living in in his house. Her kids that are not out on their own are living in his house. It's his house and he has been

Kelli (27:36.51)
For sure.

Kelli (27:48.094)
Of course.

Lori (28:01.154)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (28:02.252)
financially supporting them when Will was not because he was in the rears and he may still be for child support. We don't we don't know. But he's

Kelli (28:08.85)
Yeah. Hopefully it'll hopefully it'll be brought up at the reunion.

Lori (28:09.601)
Right. Who knows? Right.

Wendy (28:14.444)
He's been there present. And you know, the first time we met Ryan, the first season we met Ryan, I was like, This guy really wants to be on camera. He's like this young, like Playboy. Like I really did not like him, but the more I see him like on the sidelines supporting Jen, I think he's a good guy. I really do. I think he was getting like a a bad edit or he just came in too, you know, with the jackets and the I don't know.

Kelli (28:32.83)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (28:39.944)
Well, I don't think that Tamra and Eddie helped this guy's case at all. And Eddie, sit down because you did not come into Tamara's life doing what this guy's doing for her kids. Albeit they had their father. Simon was still very involved in their lives, thank God. But Ryan wasn't picking up any pieces, but had a lot to say about this guy.

Wendy (28:44.958)
No. No, certainly did not. Yeah.

Wendy (28:58.305)
Right. Right.

Right. Right.

And listen, Dom is twelve. he's been in his life for how many years now? Like Ryan's been in his life for a long time. This kid's still young. I mean, at l I mean, I think Ryan was around before that. Right?

Kelli (29:15.38)
At least four, right? Yeah. He was probably eight when Ryan came around. Yeah.

Kelli (29:26.268)
I don't know. I don't know, but I feel for her, man, because it's a rough road, man. It's a rough road. Get get the kid into therapy and you know what? You might have to go through seven. And he still might not talk, but just you gotta keep doing it.

Wendy (29:27.468)
I don't know either.

Wendy (29:40.217)
That yeah. You gotta keep trying. You gotta keep trying it. And I will suggest this too, Jen. Check out your school counselors. Like sometimes you get some really good school counselors who play video games and can relate to the boys and can get on their level, more so than a therapist in an office. So

Lori (29:40.375)
Therapist.

Just keep going. Yeah, keep down. Yeah.

Lori (29:52.533)
Yes. Counselor's at school. Yep.

Lori (30:02.881)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (30:06.302)
Right. Right.

Wendy (30:06.638)
'Cause those counselors those counselors are therapists. You know, they have their masters they have their master's degrees, just like therapists.

Lori (30:09.804)
Yeah.

Lori (30:15.253)
Yep. So then Emily, Shannon, Heather meet up at a bar. They're supposedly doing some dive bar crawling or something. Yeah. Yeah. They're trying to hook Shannon up with dates.

Wendy (30:23.298)
like that. I did like it.

Kelli (30:26.482)
I liked it too.

Lori (30:29.889)
And then Emily's getting hit on.

Wendy (30:32.913)
yeah.

That's okay. Married. Yeah, that's okay. I mean, listen, when when you're out with with the girls, like that happens sometimes. It's okay. She handled it fine. I think it's fine.

Lori (30:35.508)
And

Kelli (30:35.572)
Thank God we heard her say I'm married. Thank God.

Lori (30:38.625)
Yeah, right. Yeah.

Lori (30:45.591)
Sure, sure, yeah, yeah. And then they go to another bar and then Shannon is sitting next to a guy and I love this. How she starts talking about the Hannah virus and power outages. Like that would be me. Like if you sat at a bar and talked to me now and I was single, that would be me. I'd be like, All right, so like what's your survival plan, dude? Do you have like the solar rocking, like

Wendy (30:59.298)
my God.

Kelli (31:12.032)
Do you have a landline? You still have a landline, right?

Lori (31:13.645)
Do have a landline? Do you like got a C B? Like what's your plan? So I was laughing really hard.

Wendy (31:19.404)
my God, Lori.

Lori (31:25.919)
And then Tamara and Teddy are getting ready for the party. and they're talking about how they got their sky tops from Poshmark or eBay.

And then we see Heather and Jan are riding together to the party and they're discussing how Tamar was trying to leave Heather out on purpose. And then it goes back to a conversation with Emily and Heather. And then they both wonder if it's Emily and Gina making it the issue.

Wendy (31:56.429)
It's it's it's both. It's actually both. Both is happening. Both things are happening at the same time.

Lori (32:01.697)
At the same time, right?

Kelli (32:02.9)
Yeah, 'cause I do think that Tamara does things to get under Heather's skin. And I think that Gina and Emily are very hip to it.

Lori (32:06.901)
I think so too. Yeah.

Wendy (32:08.908)
And they point it out. They absolutely point it out. Cause why wouldn't they?

Kelli (32:12.85)
But what's interesting is at the end it said that Emily and Heather haven't spoken to each other since filming.

Wendy (32:18.252)
Yeah.

Lori (32:18.311)
Mm-hmm. So then Emily and Carmella are riding together. Carmela says she's nervous because Vicky doesn't want her there. And then when they finally get to the party, we saw these people that I don't know that you guys know. Gina from season three, right?

Wendy (32:32.824)
Yeah.

Kelli (32:34.126)
so many. Did you notice the way she was talking?

Wendy (32:36.205)
Yes, y

Yes, did she have a stroke? She must have had a stroke, right? that was the tongue thing? Right, she has tongue cancer. But she was talking Yeah, but I thought she was talking like she had a stroke. So I was wondering if she had a stroke. I don't know, 'cause that was maybe it was the tongue cancer.

Kelli (32:41.714)
I don't know, but now she's she has tongue cancer.

Lori (32:45.043)
yeah, she had this yeah, she had the cancer.

Kelli (32:52.86)
I don't know.

Lori (32:53.963)
Well, if you have if you have tongue cancer, a lot of times you have to get treatments and stuff and it can affect the way that you speak, most definitely. Yeah. And then Elizabeth from season fifteen.

Wendy (33:00.31)
Yeah, yeah, definitely. I could definitely notice it. Yeah.

Lori (33:08.733)
Joe Delarosa, Joey Delarosa, I don't know who that is. Well, Joey. okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Peggy from season six. Lizzie from season six. Lynn Curtin from season five. Lizzie from season nine.

Wendy (33:12.8)
Not Joey Joe. She was with Slade, Gretchen's partner.

Kelli (33:18.323)
Yeah.

Kelli (33:29.94)
I loved Lizzie. I always liked Lizzie.

Wendy (33:32.098)
I remember you always liked Lizzie.

She had a bathing suit line, right?

Kelli (33:37.928)
Yes, and her husband was a dud. Dud dud dud. I believe they're divorced now. No. You know who I would have liked to have seen? who's the one whose mom just passed away?

Wendy (33:40.886)
Yeah. Is she still with him? okay.

Lori (33:45.727)
And then there's

Wendy (33:53.518)
Lydia?

Kelli (33:54.994)
Lydia.

Wendy (33:56.013)
Lydia. did Tamara get along with Lydia? I feel like somebody didn't get along with Lydia. I I don't think it's Greg.

Kelli (34:03.358)
Shannon and Lydia had a little thing when Lydia first came on. 'Cause Lydia went off the show for a few seasons and then came back and when she came back she and Shannon.

Wendy (34:07.213)
Okay.

Wendy (34:13.421)
Yeah.

Lori (34:15.789)
Yeah.

Wendy (34:15.936)
Lydia's mom was like a hippie. She was like the hippie dippy, right? Yes, yes she was.

Kelli (34:21.374)
She was a big

Lori (34:21.538)
All right.

Lori (34:25.503)
And then w there's Linda, Vicky's old receptionist. She seemed hysterical.

Wendy (34:30.56)
I we've never seen her. We've never seen her before.

Kelli (34:30.952)
She was very funny. We have se we I think no no no. I'm I'm I'm thinking of the other one that remember she brought her to get her chotch waxed?

Wendy (34:44.79)
Yes.

Kelli (34:45.15)
That's who I'm thinking of. And that no, that was not this woman.

Wendy (34:49.504)
No, I don't think we've ever seen her before.

Lori (34:51.895)
She was she seemed like she was funny. And then

Wendy (34:54.584)
Yeah.

Lori (35:00.397)
Gina brought the her ex husband's wife? Girlfriend? Yeah.

Kelli (35:04.35)
Brittany, she's trying to make her a thing. She's trying to make her a thing. Yeah, for sure. Mm-hmm. It is, but it's such a healthy relationship, especially compared to Travis and Gina's relationship with his ex. So it's like n I think that that's why she does it, quite honestly. Not only I think is she trying to get her on the show, but I think she's also trying to prove to people like I'm not the problem because I

Wendy (35:04.43)
Girlfriend. No, they're they are friends. She's brought her to other things. Yeah. It is weird.

Lori (35:08.417)
I know. It it's it's just weird to me. But okay. Okay.

Wendy (35:14.658)
Yes.

Lori (35:20.353)
Right.

Wendy (35:29.858)
Right.

Lori (35:29.932)
Right.

Kelli (35:30.99)
I can be good friends with this one who's with my ex husband.

Lori (35:35.499)
Right. So I'm not the problem. Yeah, I get it.

Kelli (35:37.126)
I'm not the problem, and I don't think she is the problem, Gina.

Wendy (35:39.584)
No, she's not. She's not the problem. She's definitely not.

Lori (35:40.971)
Yeah. So then Carmela and Emily walk in last and then

Kelli (35:47.262)
Who said to Vicky, You look like you've seen a ghost?

Wendy (35:50.766)
Well, I don't know who said that, but I did hear it.

Lori (35:52.105)
I don't I do remember hearing that but I don't know who said it. And then Shannon comes in and girl

Kelli (35:54.782)
Somebody said it.

Lori (35:59.67)
What are you doing in that top? Shannon.

Wendy (36:02.968)
The cho I mean, the top was okay until she took her bra off. Why is she taking her bra off in the middle of the party?

Kelli (36:03.102)
Shannon?

Lori (36:09.053)
Even with it even with it on, it was not good.

Wendy (36:13.056)
It was better with it all.

Lori (36:16.053)
Yeah, I don't underst I don't understand what's going on with that. I really don't.

It just didn't fit well.

Wendy (36:25.088)
It's so funny, we had so many scenes this season about Shannon's boobs.

Lori (36:28.885)
Yes, lots of boobs and shit.

Wendy (36:31.106)
Right? I mean they went for the bra fitting, her breasts were on brable, then then she takes off the bra. We find out one cup is the a different size than the other cup. I was like, Shannon, what are you doing?

Lori (36:36.279)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (36:42.477)
I know.

Kelli (36:42.91)
I liked when Joe was like, you guys are making me feel like I need a lift.

Yeah.

Lori (36:50.189)
And then Emily asking Vicky if she's glad Carmella is there. my god, could you stir the pot anymore?

Kelli (37:01.138)
Ridiculous. It's so stupid.

Lori (37:03.337)
It is it's so stupid.

Lori (37:09.175)
Shannon, Heather, Gina, and Carmella sit down and asking Shannon about the text she got from the guy at the Bar crawl. And then they remind Gina that she was supposed to DM that Gutenberg guy. So Heather DMs him and so does Gina. And then Tamara has to start nonsense over at Vicky's table and asks, so there's no reconciliation with Carmella? Ugh.

Wendy (37:24.565)
that's right.

Lori (37:39.229)
Just so old.

Kelli (37:40.71)
I know.

Lori (37:42.274)
Vicky says she doesn't care one way or another about Carmella and then Vicky just did like her obnoxious yelling that she does. I don't care, I don't care. stop.

Kelli (37:54.074)
that was so stupid.

Kelli (37:58.382)
I I don't want that option. No option. Option one.

Lori (38:01.943)
Just it's just so bad. And then Carmela's kind of like boosted up by the girls to go up to Vicki and says, okay, everybody's uncomfortable. Vicki says, I'm not comfortable, are you? Just it's just so I'm just so over the whole.

Wendy (38:20.366)
So let me ask you this. that we see like we see scenes from the reunion, right? And they have to wheel Vicky out 'cause she I guess, did she get the knee replacement or sh at that point she had her knee replacement. So when she was on, 'cause after this episode, she was on Watch What Happens Live and she let it, you know, she's she talked to Andy and she said she was in so much pain when she did Ultimate Girls Trip, which was right before the OC film. Like

Lori (38:21.932)
No, it's I can't.

Lori (38:28.119)
She had her knee replacement. Yes. Yep. Yep. Yep.

Kelli (38:28.852)
She got a knee replacement, yeah.

Wendy (38:46.968)
thi it happened back to back after she had not been filming for years. And I think that is a big reason why I mean listen, I think Vicky's a pain in the ass to begin with. I just think that her being in so much pain just compounded it. Because can you imagine trying to travel across the country on this girls' trip and then film with these girls, go to Japan, wear the outfits that you're wearing and you need a knee replacement and

Kelli (38:58.472)
Yes.

Wendy (39:16.79)
I mean, how old is Vicky? Sixty one or sixty two? Like that's a lot. That's a lot.

Lori (39:21.495)
Yeah, but it is a lot. It is a lot, but it's no excuse for being a douche.

Kelli (39:24.296)
She's older than that.

Wendy (39:27.19)
No, it's definitely not an excuse. It's not an excuse.

Kelli (39:28.956)
And and it was on both shows, like

Wendy (39:32.716)
Yeah, no, it definitely was on both shows. No, it's not an excuse.

Lori (39:32.875)
Right. I I think it definitely compounded it and made her even worse.

Wendy (39:39.776)
No, yeah, no, I that's what I'm saying. It's not an excuse. It's net there's never an excuse to be unkind to others and to say mean and hurtful things. There's never an excuse for that.

Lori (39:42.091)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (39:49.171)
Yeah, and listen, you can say it's it's how I am with the with the new girls all you want. She's 64, by the way. But Vicky, you got fired. And they graciously invited you back. So the whole new girl thing, you got fired. You don't have a leg to stand on. You're not superior to anybody right now. This is like season one.

Wendy (39:58.234)
gosh.

Wendy (40:09.677)
Yeah.

Kelli (40:17.946)
One for you all over again. You got fired for a reason. You're lucky to be here. You shouldn't be mean to anybody.

Lori (40:22.583)
Right.

Lori (40:26.829)
Exactly.

Wendy (40:26.936)
So I think she's the oldest housewife there is.

Lori (40:33.153)
Cool at you.

Wendy (40:33.398)
'Cause k Carol s Carol's sixty three. I think Ramona is sixty three.

Kelli (40:34.196)
I'm gonna Google it.

Kelli (40:40.808)
No, one of them have to be older than her. One of the New Yorks have to be older than her.

Wendy (40:42.824)
I do not go ahead Google it. No, I don't think so. I think I think Vicky is the oldest housewife. Go ahead, Google it.

Kelli (40:53.201)
I am.

Wendy (40:54.336)
I know you are. Google away. but yeah, she's all right. So current housewife. How? Stop it. No.

Kelli (40:57.012)
Gina Keyow.

Kelli (41:03.538)
Ramona Singer is seventy.

That's what it says Ramona Singer who turned seventy.

Lori (41:12.172)
Wow.

Wendy (41:13.43)
Ramona

Kelli (41:13.844)
Gina Keyo, but why doesn't she was Gina Kia was born in nineteen fifty five, so she's seventy one. And Ramona is seventy, and then Vicky is sixty four. How is Ramona so much older than Dorinda Luann and Sonia?

Lori (41:26.071)
Wow.

Wendy (41:30.798)
I don't I'm gonna

Wendy (41:35.234)
That's not right. No, she well, she's sixty nine. Her birthday's coming up. It's november eighteenth, nineteen fifty six. Yeah.

Kelli (41:41.395)
Bermona?

Wendy (41:44.94)
November eighteenth. Night night holy crap.

Kelli (41:45.556)
Crazy.

Lori (41:46.711)
Well.

Kelli (41:48.158)
I'm actually surprised that the other some of the other New York housewives are not close to that age too.

Wendy (41:56.193)
Yeah.

Wendy (41:59.967)
So good for her. I mean, yeah. But she's still annoying. I mean, can we talk a little bit about?

Lori (42:00.257)
So Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (42:02.002)
God bless Ramona though, dear lord.

I know, but she's a spry annoying.

Lori (42:10.113)
Yes, she is a spryanoi.

Wendy (42:11.421)
my god, she has more energy than we do.

Kelli (42:14.324)
Mm. Way more than way more.

Lori (42:15.041)
Mm.

Wendy (42:17.506)
Right?

Lori (42:18.829)
So we'll just finish this up real quick. they're arguing Vicki and Carmella. Heather comes over and points out that Vicky was talking about Carmella dinner. Tamra comes over and says it's best if you don't you two just don't talk to each other. Carmella says if you don't have anything kind to say about me, then please don't say anything. Vicki says likewise. In confessional, Carmella says she's not really interested in getting to know Vicky. She's not her type of friend. And besides there's a

vast age difference. It's like ha ha ha I did like that. let's see.

Kelli (42:52.692)
Word.

Mm-hmm.

Lori (42:59.511)
Jen says to Tamara that she's just a little bit uncomfortable, how for three years Tamara couldn't stand the sight of her, and now they're sharing a room and she wants to know what's genuine from her. Jean and Emily conveyed to her that this is possibly close because Tamara was trying to poke at Heather.

Wendy (43:21.858)
think they're wrong either. I think that I think they're right. Yeah.

Lori (43:23.252)
No, I don't think they're wrong either.

Kelli (43:25.042)
I don't think they're wrong. I do too.

Lori (43:29.375)
Now there's another argument between Gina and Heather in regards to what Heather said about being an actress and gigs.

Kelli (43:36.36)
Did you did you guys think it was kind of ridiculous that Gina brought this up again? Like didn't they talk about it already and squash it? So why are we bringing it up again?

Lori (43:41.791)
I thought it was done already. Yeah. I did think it was done already.

Wendy (43:43.286)
Yeah, I did think

I'm sure it's gonna come back up again at the reunion as well.

Lori (43:50.284)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (43:50.698)
well it does because you know, Heather says something to her like maybe I just need a you know a more confident friend and you're not it or something like that.

Wendy (44:00.237)
Yeah. So I think it was Heather that said that the reunion the end of the reunion is very much like the end of the finale. So that means that I guess her and Gina are not in a good place and her and but Emily and her weren't they in a good place?

Kelli (44:15.134)
Probably.

Kelli (44:22.93)
No, no. Emily said something about it at that party. I forget what she said. And then and then like I said, it said that Emily and Heather haven't

Wendy (44:30.218)
It said that they haven't spoke. Yeah, so they so they still haven't spoke. yeah. It's

Lori (44:35.639)
Can't keep up with it. I can't keep up. I can't keep up.

Kelli (44:37.544)
Well, I agree with you because the whole thing with the party, it was Vicky and Carmella. And then all of a sudden it became about Gina and Heather. And then all of a sudden it became about Tamra. And it's like, first of all, it's a big fucking game of telephone. And how old are we? And and it's it's it's it it wa it wasn't a great season. It wasn't a great season at all. Let's face it. It was a big old flop. And I don't know who to blame, but it was a big old flop. Did you see the previews of

Wendy (44:48.119)
And Jen.

Yes. Yes.

Lori (44:51.445)
Right. Right. It did not look like a fun party. No.

Wendy (44:59.521)
No, it wasn't.

Kelli (45:07.502)
Of Andy asking Vicki at the reunion, Do you think if it were not for the show, you and Dom would still be married? And she said, Absolutely.

Lori (45:14.717)
yeah, and she said, yeah, she said, Absolutely. Yeah, I saw that. So now somebody's somebody brought up a s social media post and said, All right, bravo, you have failed because why did you not go out and find Don and bring him back? Now that would have been a show. I know. You probably wouldn't come, yeah. But people were just saying like, Imagine imagine how that would be like if they could wrangle him to come back on and Yeah.

Wendy (45:18.018)
Mm.

Kelli (45:19.048)
That made me so sad.

Wendy (45:30.533)
they know where Don's at. He probably would not come.

Kelli (45:35.144)
We love Don. We want Dawn back.

Wendy (45:44.088)
She all season she kept saying how she screwed that up. And she did the same thing on Ultimate Girls Trip. She messed that up. She is the one who messed up that relationship. She regrets it. Listen, I give her a lot of credit for admitting that, but what about Mike?

Lori (45:44.31)
I just can't.

Mm-hmm.

Kelli (45:58.322)
Me too. Me too. I do because

Lori (45:59.637)
Yeah, I know. If I was him I'd be like, Okay, great. yeah.

Wendy (46:00.948)
What about Mike?

See ya.

Kelli (46:06.152)
Maybe this is why they're not married yet, you know?

Lori (46:08.673)
Maybe maybe she brings up the old Dan too much.

Wendy (46:08.76)
Yeah.

Wendy (46:12.462)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (46:14.113)
So we shall see next time we have the reunion.

Only two parts. Thanks be to God. Thank you, Jesus.

Kelli (46:20.882)
Only two parts. Thank you, Jesus. I mean, really, how much can we talk about the tattletaling? Because that's all it was.

Wendy (46:27.384)
That's really. Yep. That's it.

Lori (46:27.413)
Right. That's all it is. Now, isn't like the scenery supposed to be from like Vicky's old yard or some shit? Yeah.

Wendy (46:33.698)
the grotto, her backyard, yes. Yeah.

Kelli (46:35.102)
Grotto. So I guess she doesn't I thought she still had that house. I guess she doesn't.

Wendy (46:40.318)
No, no. I think she got rid of it a long time ago.

Lori (46:41.228)
No, no.

Yeah.

Wendy (46:45.346)
I think after her and Don broke up.

Lori (46:49.005)
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Kelli (47:02.452)
Thank you. Bye.

Lori (47:03.809)
Bye.

Wendy (47:04.11)
Bye.