The Valley S3 E8: Danny’s Drunken Disaster & Lala Sounds the Alarm 🚨

Wendy (00:01.39)
Welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.492)
I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:06.754)
We are talking about The Valley, season three, episode number eight. But before we do that, I would like to do our call to action. Please go over to YouTube and hit subscribe and give us five star reviews. And by the way, we did get a one star review and someone said they are no longer going to listen to us because they did not like our opinion on Danny, which we're gonna be talking about Danny today. So if you, yeah, so.

Kelli (00:30.745)
I didn't even know that

Wendy (00:33.846)
Yeah, so if you don't have a five-star review to give us, then don't give us any. And if you don't agree with us, what we're saying, that's not a reason to give us a one-star review. That's not a reason, but anyway.

Kelli (00:45.953)
Comment and let us know what you think because we have no problem with altering views, know, altered different views. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

Wendy (00:52.534)
Yes, everyone is allowed to have their opinion. This is a podcast. This is, you know, this is not that serious. Like it's not that serious. But anyway, so I just wanted to let everyone know. Only give us five sub reviews.

Kelli (00:59.031)
Great.

By the way, did they think that we were being too easy on Danny or they didn't go into specifics?

Wendy (01:07.038)
yeah, no, they, yes, they thought we were being too easy on Dani and that, yeah. Yeah. Again, they're entitled to their opinion, but don't give me, just put it in the comments. Don't give me a one-star review. I mean, I'll be honest with you. I don't even know if it's that easy to give us a review. I don't even know what the whole process is, but I gotta imagine it's harder than we think. It's easier to leave a comment, for Christ sakes.

Kelli (01:14.517)
Okay, okay.

Kelli (01:22.613)
Right, right, right.

Kelli (01:39.265)
Don't work so hard.

Wendy (01:40.975)
Yes, exactly. All right, so the name of this episode is Misbehavior.

Kelli (01:44.407)
I thought that was cute.

Wendy (01:48.046)
I did too. We pick up where we left off with Danny calling Lala mistriggered and Lala telling him to effing knock it off. She's calling him passive aggressive. Meanwhile, she's apologizing to Nia. Nia says to Danny, just let her express her feelings. Nia is saying, it's okay that Lala feels the way that she does. What are your thoughts on this? What are your thoughts on Lala getting involved in this?

Kelli (02:17.153)
think Lala had every right to say whatever she had to say. I do. I do think she was making it more about herself. And I do think that Lala is just the type of person where if she sees something, she's going to say something. Like, I watched, did you watch the after show? Yeah. So she, and she says that and it's a hundred percent true. Now, unfortunately, even when Nia goes to bring Danny outside, you're not, you're not talking to Danny right now.

Wendy (02:31.082)
Absolutely. I did. Yeah.

Wendy (02:37.55)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (02:45.973)
You're talking to Darkseid Danny right now. So he's not gonna receive it from Nia. He's not gonna receive it from Lala. I've been around people where they're in that space and they've drank and you can't... You just have to, you have to remain calm and you have to try to diffuse the situation. And yeah, that's, you know, it's annoying that you have to be that way, but you have one of two choices.

Are you gonna continue getting in this guy's face and saying things that are gonna trigger him for him to be more of a dick? Or are you gonna try to diffuse the situation, which is basically what Nia was doing?

Wendy (03:28.536)
I was just gonna say that it's exactly what Nia was doing and that is who Nia is. She is a very calm person. She knows her husband. They have four children together. They deal with these problems. She's well aware of it. She doesn't want to embarrass him. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. By the same token, I don't think it's wrong with what Lala did either because that's who she is too.

Kelli (03:37.335)
Right.

Kelli (03:55.379)
And it's okay for her to say what she feels but again don't go on watch what happens live and say you want Nia to leave Danny because This is their dynamic whether you like it or not, and I'm sorry you had a horrific situation with Randall Randall was different Randall was running around on you doing God only knows what because I don't know if they're still pending litigation But they're very well could be

That's not Danny. Danny drinks too much and gets obnoxious and nasty. He gets nasty. And I, and I know a lot of people who get like that. and I'm sure it doesn't happen every time he drinks, but if, if the next morning he can wake up and look at it and acknowledge what he's done and apologize to his wife and then they together decide how they're going to move forward. That's their business.

Wendy (04:29.59)
Right. Right. Right.

Kelli (04:52.075)
So don't say you want Nia to leave Danny. I don't think that this is happening on the daily in their home.

Wendy (04:57.454)
Especially when they have four children.

Kelli (05:01.932)
Right.

Wendy (05:03.64)
Like, that is not your call. That's not your call.

Kelli (05:07.347)
No, and as much as I think Lala has every right to say how she feels, she does.

Wendy (05:13.9)
And honestly, Nia says the same thing.

Kelli (05:14.783)
She's also in a place that she's doing everything without a man in her house and she's happy to do it. She's got her mom there, she's got her brother there, she's got, you know, and that's okay for you too. But it doesn't give you the right to make a comment like that. Leave her husband.

Wendy (05:29.068)
Right, right. And like, no, and Nia's even said to Danny, it's okay for her to feel that way. Like, and she's right. Like, I think, honestly, people, and it bothers me that people are so hard on Nia for one, standing by her man, and they say she's protecting him. Well, that's what a good spouse does, right? And what?

Kelli (05:39.617)
Yeah, of course.

Kelli (05:55.827)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Wendy (05:58.594)
Jason's not doing the same thing with Janet. I think what Jason's doing with Janet is way different and way worse to be quite honest with you.

Kelli (06:07.031)
Absolutely and here's the difference from last year cuz because Lala's like I won't be a Janet No, you're not you're not a Janet Lala. You're not a Janet Janet accused Danny of sexually abusing your friend Jasmine and or sexually assaulting, excuse me, and she also Basically insinuated he was an addict at that stupid dinner at her or somebody's house When she told Nia yeah, I'm will she but she said

Wendy (06:31.5)
an alcoholic.

Kelli (06:35.393)
You know, I have experience in being in a relationship with an addict. That's, that's not what's going on here. Does he have an unhealthy relationship with alcohol? Absolutely. Should he not drink? Absolutely. But he's, you don't just whimsically call someone an addict. That's the difference with what Janet did last year, then Lala being like, yo, I don't, I'm very uncomfortable with the way you're speaking to your wife right now.

Wendy (07:06.088)
And the stuff that Janet was calling Danny out on last year, she wasn't present for, and they didn't happen to her. She wasn't there when the incident happened with Jasmine. She wasn't there. So it's totally different.

Kelli (07:18.549)
Right, right. So two things can be true. You can think that Danny was way out of line and a douche that night to his wife and to Lala. And you can also still hate Janet from last season. And I do, I'm sorry, not hate, strongly dislike. Dude, Schwartzy is still an ugly girl.

Wendy (07:28.215)
Right.

Wendy (07:34.082)
Yes. Dislike. Yeah, we don't hate. There's no hate.

Wendy (07:43.823)
Mm, he sure is. So then we go to the beauty pageant and Schwartz is misjudged and Michelle did him dirty, but that's okay, because you know, it's, know. Jesse was Mr. Wino. I think it's so funny that he couldn't be a miss, that he had to be a mister.

Kelli (07:47.671)
you

Kelli (08:04.799)
He looked great though. I thought Jesse looked great

Wendy (08:07.468)
He did, he did, he did. Honestly, I thought Luke, who was mistaken, I mean, I think that Brittany did a great job with his makeup and his boobs and his outfit. thought, you know, no wait, Luke was Zach. Zach was Miss Petty. I think Brittany did a great job with Zach's boobs, outfit and everything. I thought Zach looked amazing. Luke, who Kristen did and she,

Kelli (08:22.736)
Zach.

Wendy (08:36.47)
made him a little mermaid because that was his hall pass.

Kelli (08:41.239)
and I remember that being so weird.

Wendy (08:44.554)
I know, I think it's so funny that she kinda leaned into it and turned him into it. Right? And Danny was misunderstood, which, okay, I mean, it is what it is.

Kelli (08:48.585)
It is funny she leaned into it.

Yeah.

Kelli (08:58.647)
I would have come up with a different name, but yeah.

Wendy (09:03.222)
So Miss Congeniality was Miss Judge, who was Schwartz. then the winner, what's her name? Nia was announcing the winner and she announced the wrong winner. She announced that it was Zach that won, but it was actually Luke that won. So she had to take the crown away from Zach and give it to Luke.

That was funny.

Kelli (09:29.495)
honestly thought Zach should have won. mean, putting those boobs on, that should have got him to win right there. But okay.

Wendy (09:38.606)
Well, mean, listen, I think out of who was the most out of their comfort zone and like really leaned into the character for like who they are, I definitely think it was Luke.

Kelli (09:52.587)
Yeah, I just loved when Jesse was like, listen, I'm disappointed, but there's always next year.

Kelli (10:02.027)
And there should be, absolutely.

Wendy (10:06.382)
So then, you know, they kind of break up and Nia's like Nia leaves and she's going back to the, you know, the baby cottage. But I thought Danny was going with her, but he didn't. went, you know, he stayed in the main house and they were trying to take pictures of Zach while he was laying on the table and he kept lifting up his legs and Danny

is like making these comments and grabbing his boobs or smacking them.

Kelli (10:41.611)
Yeah, he was out of control.

Wendy (10:44.46)
He really was, he really was.

Kelli (10:45.611)
Yeah, it's not, you know, if we've said it once, we've said it a hundred times. Danny shouldn't drink. He's not a good drinker.

Wendy (10:53.698)
Yeah.

Kelli (10:57.739)
And then, you know, she tries to have a conversation with him, It's just, you gotta wait until the next morning to approach it. You can't, you're not, he's not listening, he's not hearing you right now. And it's only gonna aggravate him and make him angrier. And I know that sounds like a very codependent way of thinking, but if you're in that situation, you just wanna diffuse it.

Wendy (11:10.508)
No, he's not.

Wendy (11:24.226)
You do, and I think really what she was trying to do is to remove him from the situation, but he wasn't doing it. She was trying to remove him. Right, like her whole plan was to try and remove him from the situation. And listen, I get it, I get it. I still like them as a couple, I do. I still like them as a couple. And honestly, what Kristen said, I don't know that they're couples goals, but I could see why she would say that.

Kelli (11:28.489)
Absolutely, absolutely. And sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn't. Yeah.

Kelli (11:38.773)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (11:54.156)
And the fact that Lala just shit on that and just didn't give it credence. Listen, Lala has not had a healthy relationship. I'm sorry, she's never had one. She's never had one.

Kelli (11:54.612)
I

Kelli (12:03.669)
No, no. And no, no, like no relationship is perfect. No marriage is perfect. And if that's, if that's Danny's biggest flaw, that he gets obnoxious and doesn't talk nice to his wife when he's drunk. If that's his biggest flaw and everything else is good, Nia's gonna figure out a way to deal with that because she loves him. Like, you know what I mean? It's not.

Wendy (12:11.245)
Right.

Wendy (12:32.716)
And they're faith-based. They're very much faith-based. Like they met in church, you know, they will sit down, they will go to counseling. Like she said on the after show, they do this thing called a reset. I don't know exactly what a reset is, but I feel like I could probably use a reset. I mean, I think we all could use a reset, right?

Kelli (12:36.884)
Exactly.

Kelli (12:50.135)
I could definitely use a reset. With every relationship in my life.

Wendy (12:54.976)
Yes, I agree, right? Like I think this is, no, I totally agree. I can use a reset in my job with every one of my children. I can use many resets. I can use many resets, right? So I don't think it's right that Lala is shitting on that. I love that Lala is who she is. I love that she speaks her mind, but sometimes I think she goes 10 toes down when it's not her place. And I think this is one of those cases. I do.

Kelli (12:57.131)
Not just Eric.

Kelli (13:02.443)
Yes, yes. Many, many resets, yes, absolutely, yes.

Kelli (13:24.385)
I do too. I do too. And the problem is that they all ride hard for Janet and Janet did all these things last year. So it's, I don't think, and I think she said it on the after show, like she's not, she doesn't work for anybody. She's not doing this because of Janet. And I believe that. I do believe that. But if we're going to start calling out flaws in people's marriages, how about we start with Janet and Jason?

Wendy (13:26.317)
I do.

Wendy (13:43.852)
No, I do too. I do too.

Kelli (13:54.774)
Like, he, I mean, he's like a, like talk about codependent. Like could you imagine him trying to disagree with her? I can't even say it. And do we honestly think that Jana and Jason aren't hiding things in their relationship? I don't even think this second baby story, I think that's a storyline for them. I don't think she has any interest in a second child.

but we'll get there now.

Wendy (14:24.3)
You don't? Okay. All right.

Wendy (14:31.217)
Let's see.

Kelli (14:35.477)
Well, I don't love that the peanut gallery led by Lala is all talking about it.

Wendy (14:41.688)
Well, that's what's happening. You know, that's what's happening. And, you know, then Danny, to top it all off, goes to get another beer. And Nia says to him, her exact words, my love, I need to take your makeup off and those are my lashes and I want to preserve them. Like, even the way she speaks to him, honestly, I give her so much credit. I do. I really do.

Kelli (14:43.093)
Yeah.

Kelli (14:47.711)
Yeah, I mean that's not helping the case.

Kelli (15:03.509)
Yet like, so we obviously know this has happened before and this is how she's choosing to deal with it because as we see, he's gonna wake up tomorrow very remorseful. He's not gonna be proud of himself. He's going to be embarrassed. He's gonna feel bad. Listen, eventually it's gonna click and Danny's not gonna drink, eventually. I believe it. I believe at some point he's gonna make the choice to just stop drinking.

Wendy (15:08.216)
Right.

Wendy (15:25.966)
I do too.

Wendy (15:31.566)
I do too, and I honestly feel like...

Listen, like we said, they're very faith-based. They met in church. I believe the parishioners are seeing this, right? I believe that they will have a sit-down. You know, I do, I really do. I think that my guess, if I had to guess, I would say by the time of the reunion, Danny will not be drinking anymore.

Kelli (15:48.939)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (15:54.73)
I agree.

Kelli (16:04.893)
I hope so. I hope so. I hope you're right.

Wendy (16:08.076)
I do too. I do too. I do too. I mean, this is just my guess.

Kelli (16:10.369)
Cause I do feel like he doesn't, I don't think he realizes the magnitude of what he's doing. Even watching it back, which is sad, it's sad, but I think at some point he will.

I think at some point something's gonna happen where he's gonna be like, okay.

Wendy (16:24.032)
I do too.

Kelli (16:30.123)
I should probably not drink.

Wendy (16:34.478)
Yeah, so the next day, you know, they wake up and, you know, they go outside, Danny and Neia go outside. And she's like, you know, it's a new day. I want to make sure, you know, we start off the new day. And I want to carry this with us. She said, I feel bad that I brought up things up at a time that I wouldn't normally bring things up. But we both had, you know, she even admits she had something to drink as well. Right. And, you know, so she's going to she's going to act a little differently. So she's there putting herself as part to blame.

And listen, when you're a couple, there's two parts in everything, right? And Danny admits, like, definitely took the competition, you know, I definitely took it to the next level. know, I wasn't talking to you in the right tone. I feel embarrassed. I'm really sorry. And Nia says, listen, the stuff with Lala, like, you need to go in and check back with her and, like, do a check-in and make sure, because what you did was wrong. And he's like, all right, I'm going to go talk to her.

And I thought that it seemed okay, I do, then when he went into his confessional, he's like, you know, she doesn't know me like that. She shouldn't talk to me like that because what she was basically saying is, I think you have a problem with drinking, but I'm not judging you, but you are judging him. And he does have a problem with drinking. So don't say, don't say you have a problem with drinking and I'm not judging you.

when you actually are judging him and he does have a problem with drinking. Like, if you're gonna say it, then...

Kelli (18:07.223)
But you're definitely judging him if you want his wife to leave him.

Wendy (18:10.828)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (18:14.593)
he goes to talk to Lala, he acknowledged what he did wrong. And I do think that Lala handled that, like the way she spoke to him, you can tell that Lala is in recovery and that she's very, she's in a really good place in her recovery. And I think she, with the things she said to him, were really spot on.

Wendy (18:35.084)
Yes, yes.

Kelli (18:43.495)
It was a shame that then in his confessional, he basically said she needs to mind her own business. That was a shame. But see, again, I think that the Lala and Janet connection is why Danny's never going, he's not gonna hear it. He's not gonna hear it from Lala. And it's a shame because I really think what Lala said to him was spot on. And I think that she just handled it very well, coming from a person who is in recovery.

Wendy (18:56.588)
He can't hear it. He can't hear it. Right.

Wendy (19:11.662)
Yes, I do think so too. I mean, I do think 100%. But like you said, her connection with Janet. Yeah, she was judging him. And then where Janet, the whole, where Janet comes in and she's like, I still feel, cause they've already told her, Lala and Michelle told Janet that she needs to go and apologize to Nia. And she's like, I don't really think that,

Kelli (19:15.819)
But she was judging him, you're right.

Wendy (19:37.504)
what I'm gonna say, she's gonna hear me because the way they are, they just remove people from their lives, Danny and Nia. And they're like, no, based on what happened last night, I think that maybe now she'll listen to you.

Kelli (19:47.928)
So yeah, she said they remove people from their lives. They'd rather remove people from their lives than address what's going on. The reason they removed you from their life is because you never apologized for the essay comment. You still have not apologized for that. That's what they're so bent on. He's got a career. They have a family. You cannot just go around saying that about people, especially when the person

who was supposed to be the victim is saying, no, that's not what happened. So yes, go apologize for that specific thing and then see how they receive it.

Wendy (20:21.676)
Right, don't say that.

Wendy (20:31.192)
So then Janet goes up to Nia and asks if they can talk and they go outside and Janet says, you know, I wanted to sit down and talk and she starts out with, I mean, it started out good, I'm really sorry. I totally understand how some of the things I said could hurt you. I wish I could go back and not say some of the things or say the things differently. Janet said, I know I caused you a lot of pain. And Nia said, I feel very in.

different at this point. try my best to see the good in people. So I feel like when you look at me, your lens was not seeing any good, you were seeing the negative. And Janet said, well, you're definitely right. I feel like all of us, and that's where she lost her, all of us are not seeing the best of each other. And Nia said, well, I feel like that's a blanket statement. That doesn't feel real to me. She's like, I see the best in people. And when she says all of us, then she's including Nia in that, right?

Kelli (21:21.697)
Yes.

Wendy (21:22.946)
You know, she's like, your repeated actions over time, over a long period of time, like then that becomes a pattern. you know, Janet said, well, all I can do moving forward is apologize. And Nia's like, I appreciate that. But then Janet tries to like back it up and say, you know, people are saying, and Nia's like, well, people are saying what? And she said, well, I mean,

Danny liked a post that was negative about us and she's like, you and I are talking like you and I are having this conversation What does that have to do with anything?

Kelli (21:58.68)
Of course he's gonna like negative posts about you and I'm sure you like negative posts about him. I'm sure you're loving what's going on right now on social media. By the way, do you think, do you believe he didn't go to watch What Happens Live because he had work or do you think he bowed out because of the backlash?

Wendy (22:08.971)
Right.

Kelli (22:19.859)
He was supposed to be there and I believe Luke went in his place. He backed out at the last minute.

Wendy (22:20.62)
I did not watch Watch What Happens Live. Did you watch it?

Kelli (22:27.639)
Son of a bitch, I can't remember if I watched it. I've watched so much. I'm even caught up. no, no, no. I have half of the last episode of Southern Hospitality left. I've just watched so much because I had a half day today. I definitely watched the after show. I can't remember if I watched Watch What Happens Live, but I do know that Danny was supposed to be there, couldn't because of work and Luke went in his place.

Wendy (22:33.326)
I didn't watch it.

Wendy (22:51.96)
So I didn't know that.

Wendy (22:57.184)
No, if that's the case, believe that he backed out because he couldn't handle the heat. I do believe that. I mean, I do. Because I feel like, you know.

Kelli (22:58.207)
or Schwartz went in his place, one of them.

Kelli (23:03.827)
I do too. I do too.

Wendy (23:11.17)
He's not a fighter. Danny's not a fighter. He's not a fighter. It's just not who he is. And I, you know, I don't blame him either. I don't blame him.

Kelli (23:12.895)
No. No.

Kelli (23:20.213)
No, I agree. I mean, I blame, I think he should have showed up. This is part of your job. And you you've clearly hidden, know, they have clearly hidden some things about their marriage, but that's okay too. Like I don't need to see everything about your marriage. And I know I sound like a hypocrite because of how I've talked about Kyle Richards over the years. But if you're choosing to not,

share certain things like Kristin said, like I can respect that. But you should have faced the music because.

Wendy (23:57.998)
But the thing is, like, this is what I don't like. So Janet and Jason's big thing with Danny is that he doesn't take accountability, right? If he apologizes for his actions, apologizes to the people that he harms, they accept his apology, how is he not taking accountability? That's what I don't understand. Who are you to say he's not taking accountability?

Kelli (24:15.563)
Yes.

Wendy (24:23.798)
Not taking accountability would be not even admitting that it happened or that you did anything.

Kelli (24:29.183)
Yeah, no, I agree with that. Unfortunately though, I don't like how he did say in his confessional that Lala needs to mind her own business because you did, you were disrespectful to Lala in addition to being disrespectful to your wife. So no, she doesn't have to mind her own business. If it was only her talking to her, if it was only you and Nia, well, even then, cause that's why Lala went up to begin with. I mean, I don't know.

Say what you mean and mean what you say, but I agree with you. He's apologized. He, and he did go to La La the next day, you know, when Nia encouraged him to do so. He did. And that, that could not have been easy for him. And even La La said like, I don't like to judge someone's apology. And, and I don't either because some people have an extremely difficult time apologize. I don't, I'll apologize for anything, even if I don't think I did it.

Wendy (25:00.974)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (25:06.381)
Right.

Right.

Wendy (25:16.696)
But she did!

Kelli (25:28.833)
That's how stupid I am now, Emily.

Wendy (25:29.196)
Yeah. Yeah, but she did judge his apology. She said, don't like to judge it, but then she judged it. Cause she said she didn't think it was real. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing. know, Danny apologized went to Jasmine when he found out what he did, right? Cause he didn't even remember it and Jasmine accepted. Yes. Yes. Yes. And Jasmine accepted the apology. So who is Janet and who is Lala?

Kelli (25:35.049)
Yeah, she did.

Kelli (25:39.19)
Yeah.

Kelli (25:45.739)
Yes, like three times he apologized, three times.

Kelli (25:53.493)
Right. Right.

And Janet was the only one who couldn't move on from it.

Wendy (26:00.02)
Right, Janet and Jason. Jason stood by Janet, loyally stood by Janet, saying that, you know, he's not... What did he call him in the reunion?

Kelli (26:09.97)
a clown?

Wendy (26:12.11)
clown and something else.

Kelli (26:13.195)
and something else.

Wendy (26:16.386)
And that's what hurt Danny. A douche, I think it might've been a douche and a clown. And that's what hurt Danny. You know, like, why would you say that to him? He took accountability. He apologized. Who are you to say what his accountability is? That's what I don't like about her. That's really what I don't like about Janet and Jason. And the fact that Jason just is like her protector because she can't have a conversation without him. And when she does, it's-

Kelli (26:17.024)
A douche.

Kelli (26:32.204)
Right.

Wendy (26:45.986)
Just, know, I don't know.

Kelli (26:48.895)
No, she was real quiet that night with when Lala was, you know.

communicating with Danny. Janet was real quiet. I guess she wasn't around.

Wendy (27:00.16)
Well, she said on the after show she didn't hear it. She didn't hear it.

So then we see, the next thing we see is like they leave San Diego, right? And Schwartz thinks it was a good, it was a success and they're all back in the Valley and Janet is talking to Jason about going to the OB doctor and then going to the fertility doctor because their son Cameron is now 21 months old and now they're thinking about having another. They weren't ready to jump on that bandwagon right away.

and have kids back to back, but now that he's a toddler, that's something they're considering. And Jason says, listen, he looked into the potential of adoption because his dad was adopted and he had six adopted siblings. That blew my mind, to be quite honest with you. That's great, that's great. And his mom had two adopted siblings.

Kelli (27:55.318)
And Janet's, somebody on Janet's side, right? Yeah.

Wendy (27:58.124)
Yes, yes, somebody on Janet's side, but he's like, you know, there's a lot of red tape involved in that and it could take years. So he doesn't really want to go that route. So they're going to, you know, check this out. Now you, you said earlier that you think that this isn't true. You don't think they want to have other children?

Kelli (28:08.054)
Yeah.

Kelli (28:13.367)
I feel like, well, you know what? I shouldn't say that. Who am I to judge? You know what? I don't dislike Janet that much to say that. So maybe, maybe. I mean, they're actually kind of being smart about it. Because even on the after show, she's like, have to, they want to... Jason does seem like the type of guy, and I'm like this too, where...

Wendy (28:35.554)
He's a planner. He's a planner.

Kelli (28:36.949)
He's a planner, so it's like, you don't just make a decision. You think about everything that's involved and the steps that lead you to that decision and how that decision's gonna affect everything afterwards. So, they wanna figure out where they want their children to go to school, I guess, and then find a house, and then can they afford it, and then can they afford to have another kid? Because I don't think, it doesn't seem like Janet works, right?

Wendy (28:57.976)
Right.

Wendy (29:01.486)
I don't think so, no. I think she stopped working once she got pregnant. She did work though. And then once she got pregnant or after she had the baby, she stopped, but she did used to work. She was a professional. Yeah, so listen, I don't think that's a bad thing to plan it out because children are expensive and there's a lot involved.

Kelli (29:02.411)
I mean, I know he's an attorney in California, you know, he's.

Kelli (29:12.853)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (29:22.327)
Well, and honestly, if you don't think you want another kid, don't feel pressured to have another kid. Having one kid is totally fine. Like honestly, like what he said, like there's two of us, we can tag team it, we can handle it. Absolutely, because going from one to two is a big difference. I imagine going from two to three is an even bigger difference. Like it's a lot. So if you only want one half one.

And don't let other people pressure you into having another one.

Wendy (29:50.52)
I'll be honest with you, it's not. Going from two to three isn't a bigger difference. Going from one to two is a bigger difference.

Kelli (29:57.174)
Going from one to two is a big difference, especially if you're completely different children. Especially if your first born is a peach, an angel.

Wendy (29:59.736)
Yes.

Wendy (30:06.764)
An angel.

Kelli (30:11.403)
Take it from me. And then you get the road runner. Who's the guy that used to, the Tasmanian devil, that's what he used to call it.

Wendy (30:14.605)
Now.

Wendy (30:19.213)
yes, yes, yes, the Tasmanian Devil, yeah.

Kelli (30:21.377)
just spun in a circle and wreaked havoc.

Wendy (30:27.776)
It's funny, because I'll be honest with you, going from two to three wasn't that big of a deal. And I have a girlfriend who has four. And I remember her telling me, once you have three, it doesn't matter. Once you're outnumbered, it doesn't matter. right. And honestly, I love children. And I love babies. Mine, not other people's. And I've always said that. I know that's probably weird. But I don't like other people's children.

Kelli (30:39.679)
Yeah, like at this point you could have 16.

Kelli (30:48.671)
Right. That's totally, totally okay. Absolutely.

Wendy (30:54.006)
Is it okay? I think it's weird. Okay, I like my children. I don't like other people's. I would have had 10 if I could have. I would have, but it just wasn't in the cards for me. So, you know, God blessed me with three and that was fine. I didn't notice a big difference between two and three, because two was hard and three was just as hard. You know what mean? And I imagine.

Kelli (31:03.169)
Yeah.

Kelli (31:14.965)
Right, right. But yet going from one to two is a big difference.

Wendy (31:19.926)
And honestly, I do think that the age, what your age separation is matters too. So all three of mine are two years apart. And yours are.

Kelli (31:32.663)
Mine are like three and a half.

Wendy (31:35.296)
see yeah so my first one is 22 months between the first and the second and the other one is like 20

Wendy (31:47.054)
28 or 29 months. you know, two years is, you know, it's that, that is tough because well, my doctor told me, because, you know, I had infertility issues and I had to go see a doctor for the first two, he told me once in diapers, stay in diapers. And I remember that. I was like, okay, once in diapers, stay in diapers. I always had, no, I always had two in diapers.

Kelli (31:51.041)
Yeah.

Kelli (32:08.041)
You always had two in diapers. Did you ever have three in diapers? Will was... sorry. Take that out.

Wendy (32:15.724)
Will was out of diapers by the time Matt, because Will, by the time Matt was born, Will was four.

Kelli (32:22.631)
okay, got it.

Wendy (32:23.808)
Yeah, yeah, because there's four, yeah.

Kelli (32:26.433)
Tess was potty trained by the time Joe came.

Yeah, yeah, I never had two in diapers. Thank you, Jesus.

Wendy (32:35.2)
Yeah, and girls, well, you know, you probably know, girls potty train easier than boys.

Kelli (32:40.843)
Absolutely. Although Joe was very easy to potty train. Listen, I had an amazing babysitter, her name is Pat, and I love her to this day. She and her husband. absolutely. And she only babysat for her kids' friends' kids and her own grandchildren. So it was a very close knit. And she never had more than like five or six kids at a time. Anyway, she helped me.

Wendy (32:42.166)
And I had three boys.

Wendy (32:52.248)
She helps you potty train.

Kelli (33:08.715)
But Joe was very easy because of the potty surprise box. wanna get Joe to do something to this day? Give him a present. Offer him something, buy him something, give him something. Absolutely. He's like, what? There's a box of presents and all I have to do is pee in this toilet? I'm in.

Wendy (33:21.518)
There you go. Motivate him.

Kelli (33:36.523)
He probably peed 20 times more than he had to.

Wendy (33:36.707)
Yeah.

Wendy (33:40.756)
So funny.

Kelli (33:46.167)
He's an easy sell that guy.

Wendy (33:46.358)
Hmm

All right, so after the whole baby thing, the next thing we see is the boys are going to play hoop. So it's Jesse, Danny, Luke, Jason, and Schwartz. Well, it's so interesting because I don't know why, because I really didn't know what happened. I wrote down after the first jump shot, Jason hurt his knee, and he was complaining about it after his first shot. And then, yeah, I mean.

Kelli (33:57.505)
This is hard.

Kelli (34:12.105)
I didn't even pick up on that.

Wendy (34:15.471)
I didn't realize how important it was until what happens at the end. And then Schwartz finally makes a basket, because these guys sucked. I mean, I wrote that down too. They suck at basketball. Literally, they suck.

Kelli (34:23.8)
How funny was it on the after show, was it Luke? He's like, they're gonna play all the clips of us missing shots. And then they played all the clips of us missing shots. Schwartz is like, I made one, I made a basket.

Wendy (34:31.756)
Yeah, they sucked. They really did.

Yeah. So then after he makes the basket, they say, okay, one more time. And Jason goes up to make a shot and falls and he wants them to call the ambulance. was like, I didn't even, honestly, I don't think they showed us what happened because I saw him go up to make the shot and then I saw him on the ground. Right?

Kelli (34:52.255)
I agree, I don't think, cause I'm like, like rewound it. I'm like, wait a minute, cause I, you know, I've watched a lot of basketball and yeah, I'm like, I don't know what just happened. They either just didn't show us something or like you said, he hurt his knee and it was just the repetition, the repetition, repetition, and finally his knee just gave out.

Wendy (35:00.076)
Me too.

Wendy (35:12.354)
Yeah. Yeah, like that's, I mean, I wrote that down and I didn't think it had any importance. And then all of a sudden I was like, okay.

Kelli (35:21.183)
Yeah, yeah, but oof, that was hard to watch.

Wendy (35:23.438)
So I guess we'll find out next week what happens with that, right?

Kelli (35:27.541)
Yeah, I mean, listen, when he said he's gonna be disabled, I'm like, okay, Jason, that was a little dramatic. I mean, come on. And the prospect of running around with his son, like, he can't do that, like, maybe forever. Like, all right, buddy.

Wendy (35:35.406)
I know that was weird. I thought that was weird. Yeah, I did too.

Wendy (35:48.47)
I know, I thought that was a bit dramatic. Why didn't they talk about that on the after show?

Kelli (35:50.388)
It is.

Kelli (35:54.165)
They didn't. I mean, they talked about them. They talked about what happened, but yeah, not not.

Wendy (35:55.585)
I

Wendy (36:00.064)
I know. I mean, they didn't talk about the injury even. Like, we don't even know what the extent of the injury is.

Kelli (36:05.993)
We don't know the extent of the injury and it's not like he's sitting there in a cast or anything, but when they were explaining it.

Wendy (36:12.194)
Well, the after show is done.

Wendy (36:16.609)
Yeah.

Kelli (36:17.451)
how the kneecap was behind the knee and his leg was like a wet noodle. It wasn't good. And then the EMT guy was like, yeah, I just did that. You are not in good shape.

Wendy (36:27.886)
So then the next thing we see is Brittany meets up with Zach, Kristen and Lala. Brittany's talking about how well Cruz is doing now that Jax is not there. Which I'm glad for Cruz. It's kind of sad, but listen, at least she's where she's at now and you can't look back. You can only look forward.

Kelli (36:29.079)
Thanks!

Yeah.

Kelli (36:45.909)
Yeah.

Kelli (36:51.095)
Well, you can only look forward and Lala says, Cruz probably feels so much safer at their house with Jack's gone, which is very sad, but I believe it 100%. And like you said, you can't go back. So Brittany should just be happy. She's a strong woman and did what she did and got him out when she got him out. Because if Cruz is already progressing, imagine, like, what is he for? Like he's gonna be great.

Wendy (37:00.76)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (37:16.738)
Right.

Kelli (37:20.425)
He's going to be great.

Wendy (37:21.175)
Yeah.

Actually, I think he's older than that. I think he's probably five or six, because this is the third season.

Kelli (37:31.873)
This is the third season. Yeah, he was like two when they started.

Wendy (37:35.434)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (37:37.215)
I mean, I understand that she feels guilty and she does break down, but he's gonna be great. Absolutely, absolutely.

Wendy (37:43.5)
Yeah, I mean, she did what she could do. Yeah. Then Lala asked Kristen if Nia told you and Zach's like, Janet like talked to her at the end and Lala's like, no. And Kristen's like, well, know like Janet, I know that there was, you know, her and Janet had a thing. Lala's like, did she tell you about the night at the pageant with me and Danny and Kristen was in the other house. Kristen was, I mean, I don't, was she getting, I mean,

Kelli (38:04.51)
because Kristen...

But she was, didn't she do Luke up or no?

Wendy (38:14.616)
She did do Luca, but maybe she did Luke up in the other house.

Kelli (38:18.707)
Okay. Okay. Right.

Wendy (38:21.612)
Because they were staying in the other house. I know Danny was in the main house, but maybe Luke was in the other house. Because we didn't see them together.

Kelli (38:28.597)
Right. Right.

Kelli (38:34.154)
No, we didn't.

Wendy (38:35.616)
Not until the pageant.

Kelli (38:37.354)
Right.

Wendy (38:38.798)
So Lala said, with me and Danny, did she tell you what happened at the pageant? And Kristen's like, I can feel like your nervous energy right now, and it's making me nervous. And honestly, I really felt bad for Kristen at that point, because I felt like Lala was coming in hard for her. And I'm...

Kelli (38:54.505)
I did too.

Kelli (38:59.895)
Well, what are you trying to do? You're trying to get your friend to talk bad about her other friend on national television? I mean, do we not know Kristen better than that? She's not gonna do it, Lala. Just because you're Lala doesn't mean she's gonna do that.

Wendy (39:09.559)
Right.

Wendy (39:12.91)
Right, and I will say this and I actually kind of agree with it. So I saw on social media, I don't know who posted it, but somebody posted that Bravo really did Nia and Kristen dirty by starting to film when they were only three months postpartum. I 100 % agree with that. I 100 % agree with that. And.

Kelli (39:29.569)
That's true.

Kelli (39:33.633)
That's very true.

Kelli (39:37.687)
I mean, I think the standards that Bravo follows right now are so low. I mean, they're dirty. They're low down and dirty, Bravo. They just are.

Wendy (39:48.002)
Like, they could have waited. They could have waited till Nia was no longer breastfeeding. That's a lot. They could have waited.

Kelli (39:50.135)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (39:53.976)
I mean, I think she's the type to breastfeed for over a year, so maybe not, but yeah, give her like five, six months.

Wendy (40:00.758)
think so. No, no, she wanted to get the baby to at least take a bottle, even if it was her milk. She wasn't at that point. She said that she even said before they went on vacation, like hopefully, to San Diego, hopefully I can get because the baby wouldn't take the bottle. Adelaide wouldn't take the bottle.

Kelli (40:07.595)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (40:18.303)
And that bitch, she's so little, Adeline. Like, she's little. Little nugget.

Wendy (40:22.606)
Mm-hmm. So I actually agree with, I don't remember who said it, but whoever said that, actually agree with that. And the fact that Lala is coming at Kristen with this energy when Kristen is three months postpartum and Nia is three months postpartum, right? They both are the same. About her friend, I felt for Kristen in that moment. I did, I did.

Kelli (40:28.886)
Yeah.

Kelli (40:46.633)
Right. I agree. I agree. She said like, Lala's like, I'm going to be careful because I know you're their friend, but there is a real issue happening here.

Wendy (40:57.442)
Yeah, yeah. Her words were, the way your friend Danny speaks to his wife is utterly unacceptable.

Kelli (41:08.897)
But here's the thing, Lala. He was heavily under the influence of alcohol. The day before or earlier that day, we saw them on the safari ride where Nia was freaking out about the baby being in the sun and not being in the shade, and Danny didn't lash out at her. Even when she was like, Daniel, the nanny needs help. He was like, okay. Like, how the fuck was he supposed to know the nanny needed help? know? This is not.

Wendy (41:33.644)
Right. Right.

Kelli (41:38.111)
his everyday behavior with her. So I understand what Lala witnessed that night was unacceptable. I agree. But it's not his normal behavior. He was under the influence and he just shouldn't drink.

So this, them having this like sit down, you know, what is Kristen, what do you think Kristen's gonna do with this? She's not gonna do anything with it, except defend them.

Wendy (42:06.496)
I know. I was so glad that Zach was there. And initially, I was glad that Brittany was there until Brittany brought up that last year when I brought up something, I wasn't allowed to feel the way I felt. And we see that scene where she talks about what happened where they said he was sleeping.

Kelli (42:29.527)
They were at the table. Yeah.

Wendy (42:31.542)
Yes, and then he was inside and he was sleeping. And then Zach says to Brittany, that's because you don't like Nia and Danny. And Brittany got all defensive. She's like, when did I ever say that? And well, then Zach talks about the time where she was on the phone and Brittany felt a way that Nia was not showing everything. And again, just because you and your

Kelli (42:43.391)
I was surprised he said that.

Wendy (42:59.35)
husband Jax have this very dysfunctional relationship doesn't mean that Danny and Nia need to have it, right?

Kelli (43:07.059)
No, and the thing is, is I'm sure that if Brittany had the choice to withhold some things, she probably would have, but with Jax, it wasn't an option because he was a true narcissist where he's going to put everything out there because he doesn't think he's doing anything wrong ever. So.

Wendy (43:20.642)
No.

Kelli (43:33.048)
Like with Jax you didn't have a choice but to put everything out there and for the public to know everything that was happening in your relationship Because of who Jax was I think if Brittany had the choice she probably would have opted obviously and Listen, we didn't know everything for a long time. I didn't know Jax had a coke had a coke issue I didn't know he was doing cocaine. I Mean call me naive and I feel like I'm pretty savvy to that shit because of what I've gone through with my you know with family and friends

Wendy (43:52.428)
Me neither. Me neither.

Kelli (44:01.832)
I didn't pick up on that until I heard the Braav bros say it. About Jax and what's that guy's name, not? The producer, not Carlos King, who's the other guy they always talk about. Tammer always talks about him. They said that that was Jax's coke buddy. I, allegedly.

Wendy (44:06.924)
Yeah, I had no idea either, and I'm not savvy to that. I'm totally naive to it.

Kelli (44:31.243)
whatever that other producer was. Is it the guy who wrote the book, Diamonds and Rosé? I don't know, whatever. But that was the first time I ever heard that. So she did hide some things for a little bit, but you were married to Jax Taylor and he doesn't think he does anything wrong, so he does everything for the camera to see it.

Wendy (44:44.876)
Right. Right.

And he wasn't going to counseling. He wasn't trying to be a better person. He didn't own anything. He didn't take accountability for anything. Right. Unlike Danny, who when he does wrong, he admits to it. And they do handle their issues, even if it is behind closed doors, which I don't think there's a problem with that. I don't think there's a problem with that. I don't think we need to be in people's bedrooms. I've said that many times, especially with Kyle. I don't think...

Kelli (44:56.235)
He showed no remorse for anything.

Kelli (45:14.293)
No, no, please, thank you, no.

Wendy (45:17.388)
I don't think that's any of our business. And I don't think that you need to air all your dirty laundry in public just because you're on reality TV. You could acknowledge the issue, say it's been dealt with and move on. It's not our business. It's not our business.

Kelli (45:34.027)
I mean, even Zach says San Diego was a bad look on Danny.

Wendy (45:38.764)
Yeah. And Zach also says that, know, Kristen, which Lala contradicts, Kristen doesn't go out and drink with Danny. So Kristen only sees Danny in a certain light. And that's what Kristen was saying. But Lala said that that is not true, that she does go out and drink, you know, she did prior to having children. I don't know that that's true. I really don't know that that's true.

Kelli (45:49.516)
Right.

Kelli (46:04.449)
Listen, the bottom line is just like you're not gonna get Lala to say something she don't wanna say, you're not gonna get Kristen to say anything she doesn't wanna say. And Lala thinks Kristen is turning a blind eye and she doesn't think it's a friendship, she thinks it's an alliance. Listen, it is what it is. I think it's a friendship, I think that Kristen truly looks up to Nia. And I think that Nia should have the opportunity to handle her marriage the way she wants. And...

Wendy (46:11.437)
Yeah.

Wendy (46:24.258)
I do too.

Wendy (46:31.158)
I agree.

Kelli (46:32.403)
I think that Danny obviously has an issue with drinking and just shouldn't drink. I don't think he's, like I said, I don't think he's an alcoholic. I don't think he needs to drink every single day. I think he has an unhealthy relationship with alcohol.

Wendy (46:40.279)
I agree.

Wendy (46:49.9)
Yes, I 100 % agree with you. And that doesn't mean we're being easy on Dani, just to our one star reviewer. We're not. mean, Dani has some work to do. But I don't think we need to cancel Dani. And I think Dani and Nia can be a strong couple. And we can still watch them. And they can still thrive. And I don't think others should be judging how they handle their conflicts. Because the fact of the matter is they handle them.

Kelli (46:55.83)
Right.

Bye.

Kelli (47:05.569)
now.

Wendy (47:18.104)
Just because we don't see it doesn't mean they don't handle it. And that's exactly what Kristen said.

Kelli (47:22.335)
Right, exactly.

Wendy (47:25.752)
So that's all I have to say about the Valley. We'll have to wait and see what happens next week.

Kelli (47:30.781)
Yep. We'll see. No, that's it.

Wendy (47:32.726)
Anything else?

Alright, thank you for watching and listening. Please only give us five star reviews. Bye!

Kelli (47:40.343)
Bye.