In the City: Wedding From Hell—Love, Lies & Lindsay's Meltdown

Wendy (00:00.978)
Hi. Welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.788)
I'm Kelly.

Lori (00:05.9)
And I'm Lori.

Wendy (00:08.356)
And we are here to talk about In the City season one, episode number seven. You only get married twice. But before we do that, we'd like to ask everyone to please head over to YouTube and hit subscribe and follow us on all platforms TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, and give us five star reviews and tell your friends. Thank you very much. Also, yeah.

Lori (00:30.413)
Yada yada yada.

Kelli (00:30.495)
And can I just say one thing before we start?

Lori (00:33.196)
You could say anything you want. It's your podcast. How about that?

Kelli (00:35.661)
good good point. so I reached out to Kim D, D Paola from Jersey on Facebook to ask her when her podcast with Rachel Fuda was coming out because we love both of them. And she said she messaged me back today saying it's out. So we plan on listening to that and then recapping her podcast. So you can listen if you want, if you're not interested, no problem. But I'm very interested in that podcast.

Wendy (00:58.577)
Yes.

Wendy (01:03.451)
Yes.

Kelli (01:04.456)
And I also started today Dear Albi's podcast with JoJo Dice from the Bahamas. Now it's part one of two episodes. It's less than a half hour. I think I have about ten minutes left. listen, JoJo Dice, it's you know, you it's gonna be a great podcast because it's Joe Judece and he says ridiculous things.

Wendy (01:12.722)
Kelli (01:28.472)
if anybody out there is wondering if JoJo Dice is the same person he was when he was on the show, yes, the answer is yes. He

Lori (01:35.118)
Still juicy Joe.

Kelli (01:38.092)
Basically says that nobody knew about Housewives until New Jersey came out. Nobody knew about those OC girls. And then Jersey came out. And Alby tries to correct him and was like, I think Atlanta and New York came out before Jersey, which in fact they did. And he's like, No, no, we were next. Nobody even knew until the table flipped. Nobody even knew who Housewives were. He is the same person and he is still riding for Teresa. So but I'm here for it. I love Juicy Joe. I'll listen.

But he was wrong. But you can't tell him he's wrong. He's one of those guys. You can't tell him he's wrong.

Lori (02:10.667)
No, no, no. You can't tell Teresa she's wrong either.

Wendy (02:11.383)
No. D I I definitely Yeah, I will definitely listen. I'm here for this. did they bring up Melania at all?

Kelli (02:18.496)
Yeah.

Not yet. I mean it's only the first one. I have a feeling they're not going to because this was taped a while ago, I believe.

Wendy (02:28.868)
Okay.

Lori (02:29.021)
so before the incident probably. Yeah.

Kelli (02:31.243)
I don't think it was before the incident. I think maybe they taped it, they recorded it prior to the public knowing anything. But I don't know, I could be wrong. I plan on listening to part two when it's dropped as well, so we'll see. But it's a good listen because Joe Judece is ridiculous and we love him for it.

Lori (02:39.399)
okay. Okay.

Wendy (02:49.969)
I I agree. I've been watching Melania on TikTok and listen, she looks good. I think she looks really good. She appears to me to be a typical 20 year old. I mean, this is what I get from her. She's, you know, a 20 year old kid living her life, going down the Jersey shore. the one that she did do with Louie was a little bit odd, but anything with Louie is a little bit odd, right?

Lori (03:14.049)
That was weird. I saw that. Odd. It's weird. Right. Right.

Kelli (03:18.205)
Exactly. Yes. Yes.

Wendy (03:19.821)
But the other I mean the other TikToks she's doing seem to be typical twenty year old TikToks. So I'm still Team Melania.

Kelli (03:26.473)
I'm gonna say this. I'm definitely team Melania, but I'm gonna say this. If what happened is part of this next season, I'm gonna say that it was for made for TV, made for your entertainment purposes. I'm just gonna say that. If it's not on the season, because they're filming right now, they were filming in May, then I'm gonna say this really happened.

Wendy (03:50.991)
You know what's weird?

think that they were filming. I was just gonna say that because I I saw Melissa's Instagram right after I came home from Tom's River the other night after that big storm and I saw all her kids holding the umbrella. I'm sure you saw that, trying to keep the umbrella from flying. And then I saw all the kids there. I don't think they're they're f it it didn't give me any indication that they were still filming, right?

Kelli (04:06.335)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (04:18.311)
If not, they were definitely filming in May when this occurred.

Wendy (04:23.023)
yeah. Well Kim D said it wasn't on camera. Kim D said it wasn't on camera.

Kelli (04:25.537)
So we'll see.

Kelli (04:29.375)
Right. So it wasn't on camera, which okay, but is is the aftermath part of it like if this is displayed on this season of Real Housewives of New Jersey, I'm gonna say that this is for Teresa's storyline. We'll see.

Wendy (04:31.289)
It shouldn't be a part it shouldn't be a part of the story.

Lori (04:48.642)
We'll see.

Kelli (04:50.869)
Well see.

Wendy (04:52.133)
We will see. I hope it isn't I hope it isn't for her child's sake.

Kelli (04:54.825)
I hope it isn't too.

Wendy (04:58.809)
I also wanted to say happy birthday, USA. we're recording this on July fifth, but yesterday was our two hundred and fiftieth birthday. So God bless America and God bless the USA.

Lori (05:11.682)
Yes.

Wendy (05:13.977)
Okay, in the city. So we start out out out at the Garrett, which by the way, I would like to do maybe in September when it's a little bit cooler out, I would like to do a Gavin bar crawl. I would like to go to some of the bars that Garrett Gavin owns, one of which is the Garrett. That one's in the West Village. Lindsay's sitting there and he comes in and then Kyle comes in and then Kenny arrives.

Kenny shows up with his hair braided. I thought it looked good. Yeah, I did too. Yeah.

Kelli (05:45.651)
I fucking loved that. I love him in the braids. But then the next time we saw him, they were out. I liked him so much better in the braids.

Wendy (05:52.581)
Yeah.

I like the braids too. Okay.

Lori (05:55.211)
Either or either or I'm good.

Kelli (05:57.538)
I thought he looked really good with the braids.

Wendy (06:00.845)
so the the the boys are updating Lindsay as to what happened with Owen about answering questions without answering. And at the same time we see Owen and Danielle are having a beer and Danielle is saying how you know, it's difficult trying to have babies while you're still married to Owen. So, you know, we knew he was still married, right?

She's like, I just want to try and plan for the future. I I just don't like f first of all, I don't like that the guys are sitting there like filling in Queen Lindsay about what was happening. I think that's very, very produced. I just think it's very produced.

Kelli (06:43.177)
ob of course it is. Of right. Of course it is. It's very produced. Yeah.

Lori (06:43.191)
The time her her time with the boys.

Wendy (06:47.589)
Yeah.

Lori (06:49.975)
Yeah. The whole show is produced, so.

Wendy (06:52.803)
So right, so Lindsay says, listen, if this was a girls' night, we would have gotten to the bottom of this, right? Like and the the boys are just like, yeah, okay. So Gavin says, Well, why don't you Google, you know, Owen Heavy, the wedding date. Well, why didn't you do that, Gavin? You you don't have Google on your phone? I mean, seriously. So obviously Lindsay Googles and you know, she found out, she found the hair lady.

Lori (07:11.327)
Exactly. Right.

Kelli (07:11.477)
Right. Right.

Wendy (07:22.405)
Of the person who did his wife's hair and that she flew to is it Marbella? Mar Marbia? I have no idea. For her gorgeous Marbella. Okay. Marbella. For her gorgeous client and her bridal party ahead of her big day in June of 2023. Now that does not add up with his timeline because he told them he was married for four four years, right?

Kelli (07:32.405)
Morbella. Morbaya. Somebody r corrected, yeah.

Wendy (07:51.632)
And this is twenty twenty five that they're talking. You know, in that they're filming this. So Lindsay in her confessional said, you know, even though Danielle and I have, you know, a dysfunctional friendship, I still care about her and I, you know, I want to make sure she's protecting herself. What are your thoughts? Do you think she wants to make sure Danielle is protecting herself from Owen? Right. Yeah.

Kelli (08:10.923)
Protecting yourself from what?

Lori (08:12.951)
She's a grown ass woman. She's a grown ass woman.

Kelli (08:15.585)
Yeah, I mean like as if he's like a clout chaser?

Wendy (08:19.281)
Лаказин лак, азівно до тру сторі.

Lori (08:19.479)
Something.

Kelli (08:24.391)
I'm sorry, I'm not buying that with Lindsay at all.

Lori (08:27.371)
No, no.

Wendy (08:28.525)
No. Right. So Kenny says, Well, listen, I have a great PI, like we'll get this solved in two point two seconds. And then Kenny goes on to tell the story about what h you know, lit to tell Lindsay about how he met up with his father and all that situation. And then Lindsay opens up a little bit about her mom, which I was glad that she did that. Like we we did we knew a little bit about her mom and her not having a relationship, but we really didn't know that much because she never talked about it.

Kelli (08:56.233)
No, we didn't. No. She really didn't. That's why I was hoping she was gonna talk about it on Carl's podcast, but I'm glad we got it here.

Wendy (08:57.743)
On Summer House.

No. So

Wendy (09:06.221)
Yeah, I am too. so Lindsay opens up a little bit and you know, she said she hadn't talked to her mom in ten years and at that point she hadn't talked to her mom in eight years before that. So she really does not have a relationship with her mom.

Kelli (09:21.697)
So in eighteen years she had one conversation with her mother in two thousand sixteen on camera on Summerhouse. In eighteen years.

Wendy (09:28.934)
Yeah.

Lori (09:31.063)
Wow. That is crazy. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (09:31.483)
Which is crazy, right?

Kelli (09:33.281)
Crazy.

Wendy (09:36.997)
so Gavin says, you know, I'm sorry, like I'm sorry, Lindsay, like I guess, you know, there's no path t to reconciling forward and she's like, No. And I don't blame her. I mean, I certainly don't blame her. I mean, she's a grown woman at this point. Like, no.

Kelli (09:49.195)
No way. No, because you gotta think her mom might come crawling out of the woodwork now because she's got a daughter, but I'd be like, no.

Wendy (09:59.332)
Yeah. It actually I mean, I don't know but it it kind of reminds me a little bit of Bethany's story with her her mom. You know, of all the issues she had with her mom and, you know, her mom not really coming out. But she did wind up ultimately having a small bit of a relationship with her mom before her she passed away for her daughter's sake. I don't know. It it's a tough situation. It's a tough situation. I just like that sh

Kelli (10:00.084)
Absolutely not.

Kelli (10:25.545)
It definitely is.

Wendy (10:27.235)
I like that she's opening up about it and putting it out there because she's not the only one dealing with this and it I'm sure it'll help somebody else not feel alone.

Wendy (10:38.073)
back at Nick and Yvonne's apartment, he pours them some yemon lemon cello. that I know you could okay, so maybe next next week for our maybe next week for our podcast, so I bought I bought lemon I bought what are they? Lemon cello martinis like pre made and I brought them to Frank's. I brought two bottles. I brought

Lori (10:47.905)
Like lemon chill too. I like lemon chill.

Kelli (10:48.23)
Out of the freezer.

Kelli (11:03.401)
Wendy (11:06.767)
I brought two bottles to Frank's, but we only drank one bottle. So I brought the other bottle home. So and also I have a bottle of lemon cello. So maybe next podcast we will do lemon cello martinis. Does that sound good? Okay. All right. Perfect. I don't know.

Kelli (11:12.181)
Nice.

Kelli (11:19.605)
Yes, yes. Amazing. yeah, we'll we're lemon we'll do a whole Capri themed episode.

Lori (11:20.353)
That sounds good. And we'll we'll wear yellow. We'll wear yellow.

Lori (11:27.817)
Yes. There you go.

Wendy (11:28.149)
I I I don't own yellow. I own every color but yellow. I I'm going with green. I'll wear green. I'll wear green. I'll wear green. Sorry, I don't have yellow.

Kelli (11:33.866)
All right, we'll improvise. We'll okay. All right. real quick though, when Yvonne talks, I'm like, God, she sounds like somebody. Who does she sound like? It finally hit me. She sounds like Drew Barrymore when she talks. You might not hear it now. You're gonna hear it next time you listen to her talk. She's got that it's not like a l I don't know what it is. She's she talks like Drew Barrymore.

Lori (11:34.415)
yeah, yell it yeah, yell. You that'd work good. That'll work good.

Wendy (11:49.9)
you think?

Lori (11:50.199)
you think so? I'm gonna have to listen and think of it w next time she talks.

Wendy (11:54.159)
Yeah.

Kelli (12:02.559)
And I love the way Drew Barrymore talks. So I was very like in tune to Yvonne. I'm like, I l I do love the way she talks. I'm like, but it sounds like somebody that's who it is.

Wendy (12:02.853)
I'm gonna have to listen for that.

Wendy (12:13.901)
then we see Kyle goes to Greenpoint, Brooklyn, to softbar and he meets up with Carl. I like this. I like that he showed up at the soft at softbar. I like that c you know, Carl's getting this PR for his bar.

Kelli (12:29.279)
Yes. Add that to our bar crawl too.

Wendy (12:33.165)
Yes, except for, you know, I did find out too from one of his podcasts, he's not open on Mondays. So remember we were gonna go on a Monday? They're not open on Mondays, so just we gotta keep that in mind.

Lori (12:40.813)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (12:41.088)
Yes.

Kelli (12:45.153)
I feel like Sunday. Well, let's wait until September because I think then if we go on a Sunday, we'd have a good chance of seeing him there.

Lori (12:48.833)
No must say.

Wendy (12:49.337)
Let's wait until September.

Wendy (12:54.243)
Okay. Yeah, let's figure yeah, we're gonna figure out this whole route for our

Kelli (12:56.309)
But not until after Summerhouse raps.

Wendy (13:00.577)
Yes. Yes. We'll have to figure this out. You know, in September is also San Janeiro Festival. I mean we could just make right? Okay. maybe we do a weekend. Maybe do a weekend. What I think that's what we need to look at at that weekend. Okay. You know, we're getting distracted, which isn't that hard.

Lori (13:08.167)
how you doing? Joy's about the fo

Kelli (13:09.761)
God, we might have to we really might have to get a room and just go for a couple of days.

Lori (13:13.303)
Get some zippelise. Some zip elise.

Kelli (13:17.364)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Kelli (13:25.631)
Yeah, we really are. We really are. Food and booze for like squirrels.

Lori (13:30.049)
Yeah. Yes. Exactly.

Kelli (13:35.401)
Mm.

Wendy (13:35.452)
So Carl asked Kyle how it's going. He's like, you know, you know, he's trying to do the best that he's can. And Carl's like, listen, I know that you love her, but like and I know that you would do anything for her, but are you in love with her? Like that is the question. And Kyle says, like, I'm fighting for it, but Carl says, Yeah, but are you in love with her? Like that really and he's like, You know what? I don't know. Like that really is the problem. I don't know. I don't I mean, I do love her and I do care about her, but you know

I'm I maybe that's it. And I

Kelli (14:06.913)
Listen, you haven't had sex with your wife since you got married. You're not in love with her and she's not in love with you. You love each other, you care for each other, but there's no there's nothing like pushing there's no like passion, there's no it you know, yeah.

Wendy (14:09.967)
Yeah.

Lori (14:25.621)
Nothing left. There's nothing left. Listen, those two are doing whatever it is they're doing because they need to get their paycheck. That relationship was has been over since before this in the city show started. They have to figure out what to do to keep the paycheck going. It's all a facade. It's all b as far as I'm concerned, it's all BS. The whole entire thing.

Kelli (14:35.285)
Yes, agreed. Yes.

Kelli (14:49.641)
And really, I mean, I haven't always been a big Kyle fan, as Wendy's well aware of. I wasn't even gonna watch Summerhouse because I couldn't stand them. Amanda's the one who has to worry about a paycheck. Kyle's always gonna have a ca a paycheck because Kyle is Summerhouse. And now, I mean, there's no place for Amanda on in the city if she's not with Kyle, in my opinion. These are not Amanda's friends.

Lori (15:15.595)
Well, n not after her recent debacle. No, there's no p certainly no place for her. You know. So

Wendy (15:15.952)
Well

Wendy (15:23.195)
So I did see online that Summerhouse is filming right now. Remember we thought that they were gonna delay it because they always start Fourth of July weekend, but they are filming. And I also read that Amanda's not back. Amanda's not on Summerhouse. So no Amanda, no West.

Kelli (15:40.662)
Yep. So I don't I'm totally here for it. Because listen, we're finally gonna see Kyle acting single while not married. We've seen Kyle act single while married. Now we're gonna see Kyle act single not may being married. This is great. This is how it was always supposed to be.

Wendy (15:42.027)
I'm here for it. I'm here for it.

Lori (15:53.407)
Right. Wow, married, right.

Wendy (16:01.445)
Yes. And listen, to all the women out there going after Kyle, listen, you know what you're going after. So don't complain when when you get this this F boy, 'cause that's who he is. I mean he it's already been said that he was with Ava Dash from NextGen NYC. it's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. Well it's not even the eight i yeah. more I'm sure. Yes, twenty years.

Lori (16:02.796)
Yes.

Kelli (16:07.563)
That's right.

Lori (16:11.885)
That's who he is, right.

Kelli (16:18.153)
That's crazy.

The age difference over twenty years.

Wendy (16:27.909)
But Ava Dash, you I know you don't watch Next Gen NYC, but she is like she's she's a sp spoiled brat. She's the one on that show I like the least on Next Gen NYC. She thinks she's

Kelli (16:38.709)
Well her father co founded Rockefeller Re I mean, come on. The money's flowing.

Wendy (16:43.737)
Yeah, but but it's not and that's the problem. If you read the head I mean that it's not flowing right now. I mean, no, no, it's not. That's that's the problem. Exactly. Exactly. so then next thing we see is Kenny and Lindsay. They sit down and they're talking, which is nice because this is really the first time they're sitting down one on one and they're kind of talking about, you know, their their stories, right? Her story with her mom.

Kelli (16:47.969)
Kelli (16:54.603)
Wow. Interesting.

Wendy (17:13.425)
And you know, how it happened and she said, you know, she stopped talking to her mom for good when she was twenty two. but then she really gets emotional and she starts crying. She's like, you know, like I need to just really kind of focus on myself and my career. But after I had Gemma, like that really it like I could never leave my daughter. I could never do that. And how could my mother do like what kind of person?

Can do that and that's

Kelli (17:42.284)
Yeah, she said that her her parents had her and her brother and her brother by the time she was three and her mom just couldn't do it. Her mom left and then would say would tell them that they would tell her that she and her brother ruined her life.

Lori (17:42.453)
Right. It it almost

Wendy (17:54.064)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (18:02.337)
Yeah. Ca it almost makes it it almost makes it worse. I don't know. Like it makes it very poignant, like once you have a child, like you had the abandonment issues before, but I think it really drives it home because once you have a child, you're like y you know how truly fucked up it is. Because now you look at your child and you think to yourself, my God. Like I thought it was horrible that my mother left me.

Wendy (18:02.939)
Yes.

Kelli (18:04.616)
I mean

Kelli (18:25.089)
Yeah.

Lori (18:31.873)
But now that I have a kid of my own, how, like how it it makes it I feel like it makes it even worse. Yeah, it makes it worse. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (18:36.417)
Yeah, like I would do anything for this child. I would do anything for this kid.

But she left.

Wendy (18:44.687)
Yeah. Right. Right. And listen, I mean the fact that, you know, Lindsay, we've seen so many different versions of Lindsay, right? And we know that she's in therapy and she knows that this has affected her relationships. It's obvious. It's obvious because, you know, why how could it not? I mean, how could it not, right?

Lori (19:02.028)
Yeah.

Kelli (19:05.951)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (19:06.045)
Right. Right. Her and Kenny are both very aware, which is which is awesome. You know, like he's the like they were talking about how you actually kinda like test them, you know, like you almost like pick fights and stuff to test them to try and push them to see if they're gonna leave and you know, Lindsay was saying, you know, how she knows it's always gonna affect her, but she has to manage it, control it and recognize it. Like they're both very aware.

Kelli (19:10.912)
Yes.

Wendy (19:22.673)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (19:35.633)
of how their past has affected them as who they are now and who they're going to be. So I think that's really great. And I think that's a great thing to talk about because like Wendy said, there's a lot of people who have the same kind of issue. So I like when they talk about things like this.

Kelli (19:35.903)
Yes.

Kelli (19:53.173)
Yeah, me too.

Wendy (19:54.681)
I do too. I do too.

Wendy (20:02.297)
What else? Okay, then we see it's the night of Yvonne and Nick's wedding celebration. They're at a place called Dilly Dilly in Times Square. Okay. Danielle walks in and she's wearing a white dress. That's the first thing I wrote. What were your thoughts? Was that dress white or pink?

Kelli (20:20.853)
Ha ha ha.

Lori (20:22.519)
Well wait a second, before even that, ha or maybe it was after. How about when Kyle comes at first Amanda says in her confessional, you know what? I don't wanna make everybody around me uncomfortable. I don't wanna make it about us. Kyle comes in, doesn't say hi to her right away, which granted, yes, he should have. He should have been looking for her. But she's like, Hi, hi, like

Kelli (20:29.032)
yeah.

Lori (20:49.557)
Okay, you're not gonna make it about you, but then you make it about you.

Kelli (20:53.139)
I have the same exact thing written down. Amanda says I don't want to make it awkward and then makes everyone around her feel awkward. Hi, Kyle. Hi, Kyle. Hi.

Wendy (20:53.285)
Yeah, that was before. Yeah. Yep.

Lori (20:56.245)
Right? Like what is that?

Awkward. Right by p yeah, by parroting his name. Like so what are you even talking about? Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (21:06.475)
Shut up. Right. I have the same thing written down. So funny.

Wendy (21:11.747)
I know, it I know. It it's she's unreal. So what was it? Pink or white? What are your thoughts?

Kelli (21:14.511)
I think when she walked in it looked white. in the picture it looked pink and Yvonne co signed the picture.

Wendy (21:21.787)
Okay.

Lori (21:26.487)
But now in but in the right, but in the picture, this is what I've seen online, people are posting the picture that Danielle texted to Yvonne. And in the picture, in the very upper right hand corner, there's a hanging plant. And the hanging plant is like fluorescent orange green. Which means which means that when you took the picture, no, you adjusted the color. You adjusted the

Wendy (21:51.279)
It's reflecting the light.

Lori (21:57.698)
That's a far out conspiracy theory that people are throwing out there. That that when she took the picture, she right and made it look pinker than it but really the bottom line is if you have to ask, then you shouldn't have worn it. And what and it doesn't matter that Yvonne said, sure it's stunning. What is she gonna say? Fuck you, don't wear that? What do you what are you what are you supposed to say to that?

Wendy (22:00.402)
my gosh, that's totally far out.

Kelli (22:00.902)
So th so they're saying that she adjusted the color of the dress when in the picture that she sent to Yvonne.

Kelli (22:13.974)
Yes.

Wendy (22:14.789)
Which is what Lindsay said. Which is what Lindsay said.

Kelli (22:16.662)
Yes.

Lori (22:27.681)
Like it's it's a no win.

Kelli (22:27.923)
It's just so funny because Tess and I have this conversation all the time because Tessa's been going to a lot of weddings between she and her boyfriend. And I've sent her pictures of dresses, like it'll be like a yellow dress, and she'll be No, it looks it's too close to white. I'm like, it's yellow. Like, what are you talking about? Like, but I wear black to everything. So she's like, it's too close to white. Like to me, it's not that big of a deal. And I

Lori (22:45.675)
Yellow. Right, right, right, right, right, right.

Kelli (22:56.501)
was totally the bride that if somebody wanted to wear a white dress to my wedding, okay. Like to me, if you if you feel that insecure about someone else wearing white to your wedding, I don't I don't get that. Like I'm I'm the fucking bride. I'm gonna make sure everybody knows who I am and everybody at my wedding knew who it was who was the bride. Yeah. But that's just me.

Lori (23:13.153)
Right. You don't comprehend. Right. Right.

Right. White dress or not. Right, right.

My other problem Right. My other problem was I saw people walking in with fur coats on. So to me, I'm thinking to myself, are they filming in the Fall The winter? Well well then it doesn't really matter what color that dress was, because if it wasn't black or a very dark color, that is a summer dress.

Kelli (23:24.587)
Plus this was like a dinner, like it wasn't I don't know, whatever.

Wendy (23:41.905)
Well they are. Is it was after September? I mean it was so it's probably November.

Kelli (23:53.405)
It was a summer dress.

Lori (23:53.535)
It is not a win it is not a winter dress. So then what are you doing doubly?

Lori (24:00.459)
That was my other thought. I was like, Mm Yeah. No, no, no, no. No, 'cause it was gauzy and flowy and chifani. That's not a winter. Unless it's black or a dark color.

Kelli (24:01.843)
It was a summery looking dress, I agree. It wasn't fall or winter looking. Maybe winter white. I don't know. I don't know.

Kelli (24:12.405)
Yeah.

Wendy (24:18.457)
Okay, so we all agree that that was not the appropriate dress to be wearing.

Kelli (24:21.993)
Yeah, she shouldn't have worn the dress. She definitely shouldn't have worn the dress.

Lori (24:22.397)
No, no, no. She shouldn't have won the trust. No.

Wendy (24:27.365)
Okay.

Kelli (24:34.315)
Danielle starts saying that Lindsay was being cold again.

Lori (24:39.029)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw I saw that.

Wendy (24:39.631)
Yes.

Kelli (24:41.291)
But really it was it wasn't her really being cold. She was kind of feeding off of Yvonne's energy about the dress. Right? Yeah.

Lori (24:49.325)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (24:50.097)
She was, because Georgina offered to to spill wine on it, which I thought was s so Georgina right. So so Georgina coded, right? but I think the reason Dan Z Danielle was also saying that is because it got back to her that Lindsay was googling Owen's wedding date.

Kelli (24:54.281)
Right. As a solid friend would do. Fucking Georgina. She wins this show for sure. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (25:12.083)
And who did it get back to her by?

Wendy (25:14.597)
Of course of course the biggest pot stirrer there is. Their biggest pot stir

Kelli (25:18.453)
They yeah, exactly.

Lori (25:18.539)
Who was the one who was the one who originally said, Hey, why don't you Google? Blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah.

Kelli (25:25.599)
Yep. Yep.

Wendy (25:27.705)
Okay, so just so you guys know, when we do our our Gavin, you know, restaurant crawl, if we do run into Gavin, I am going to call him out. You know, normally if I see somebody, I'll say, my gosh, you were my favorite. I'm gonna say to Gavin, why are you such a potster? Like, why are you such a potster? I'm gonna call him out.

Lori (25:43.949)
Because and you know what? The thing about it is if it but this is the thing.

If you really like reality TV, which I do not, but if you do, he's working overtime. He's doubling down. He's doing what he's doing what you reality TV people want.

Wendy (25:56.317)
Okay.

Kelli (25:59.371)
Absolutely.

Kelli (26:04.245)
He thinks he has to. He's doing what he thinks he has to.

Wendy (26:07.661)
No, I don't want that. I don't want that. I am not that kind of reality TV person. I do not want that.

Kelli (26:12.873)
Me neither. But this is but this is the people Bravo are casting. Look, we've said it a million times. We love Rachel Fuda, we love Daniel Cabral. They were nice, normal housewives. They're not there anymore.

Lori (26:24.289)
Right. They weren't about they weren't about stirring up sh like, you know, causing problems. If you put if you caused a problem, they hadn't they well they were from New Jersey. If you caused a problem, they had no problem like s snapping your ass back in place. But they didn't you know, that wasn't what their main focus was. Gavin's focus is totally

Wendy (26:27.78)
Right. Right.

Kelli (26:27.903)
Right. 'Cause this is not what Bravo wants.

Wendy (26:37.307)
Shutting it down. Right.

Kelli (26:45.685)
Yes.

Lori (26:47.853)
But that all comes from insecurity. So sorry, Gavin, but it's true.

Kelli (26:48.288)
Yes.

Kelli (26:52.907)
it totally does.

Wendy (26:56.313)
I I I totally agree. I did too. I did too. I thought it looked stunning.

Kelli (26:56.691)
I thought the table looked gorgeous with all those candles.

Lori (27:00.513)
You know what? I thought it looked really lovely, but I bet you it was hot as hell in there. Because all that drapery insulates all that heat from those candles. And believe it or not, candles throw off a lot of heat. And I was thinking to myself, my God, I bet you it's hot as hell. Because the room was enclosed. It was enclosed in fabric. Then you had all the heat from the people.

Kelli (27:09.1)
yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (27:15.189)
Yeah.

Kelli (27:22.603)
Yeah.

Lori (27:28.437)
And then they had Indian food and then you had candles. I was just sweating looking at it. But it was pretty.

Kelli (27:34.059)
Yeah, you're right. Yikes. I love the presentation of all the the dishes.

Lori (27:40.573)
awesome. And I love Jordan

Wendy (27:42.299)
W if you could get to that, it was like s in in between all the arg I mean, this was I felt so bad for Yvonne and Nick. I mean, seriously, this was the biggest shit show dinner.

Kelli (27:42.477)
my gosh.

Kelli (27:47.049)
Yes.

Lori (27:48.632)
That was horrible. But again, you are on a reality TV show and reality TV shows are known for dinner scenes that are quite chaotic. So for you to really expect anything else is really kind of foolish. I mean, I did feel bad for her too.

Kelli (28:06.539)
Well, Yvonne at one point tries to shut it down and then somebody sitting next to her, I forget who it was, was like, All right, guys, relax and Nick says, No, let them fight. Nick said it. That's okay, let them fight.

Lori (28:21.399)
Well c what else is he's trying to be funny, you know, he's trying to you know. But I love Georgina's dress and I loved Kyle's jacket.

Wendy (28:21.556)
I miss that.

Kelli (28:30.389)
Yes.

Lori (28:31.777)
Georgina had that like pretty like green satin. it was beautiful. And I love Kyle's jacket with the B's on it. I loved it.

Wendy (28:41.537)
I thought Yvonne's speech was very nice. She talked about, you know, how this last year has been the hardest for her. She's had to redefine her career and who she is, you know, and what marriage is all about and how Nick has been there for her and she's very grateful about, you know, what they're going through. And then we we find out that Yvonne and Lexi are both ovulating today, which is hysterical to me, and we find out about the wheelbarrow position.

Lori (29:09.067)
It was weird dinner combo. Weird dinner combo.

Wendy (29:11.045)
From Andrea I was just like, okay.

Kelli (29:11.424)
Very weird.

Kelli (29:15.691)
Yeah. I don't need a visual of that.

Lori (29:16.043)
And how about when how about when Yvonne's husband was giving the whole speech and and Amanda's doing the finger to Kyle? I was just like okay. Okay. Give him the finger. She did a slow rise of the finger. my god, how could you miss it? The husband Yvonne's husband is given the speech or s yeah, Nick, about

Wendy (29:28.923)
Wait, what? she was giving him the finger? Well I missed that.

Kelli (29:29.163)
What was she doing?

She was?

Wendy (29:36.569)
I missed it. Nick.

Lori (29:42.06)
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, relationships, ups and downs, blah, blah, blah. You see Kyle, he's looking over at Amanda, like, you know, nicely. And then Amanda gets this shitty ingredient on her face and does the slow roll up of the middle finger. I can't believe he guys didn't see it. my god. I can't believe he didn't see it.

Kelli (30:02.397)
I didn't see that.

Wendy (30:04.451)
I didn't either. I did not either.

Kelli (30:08.809)
Wow.

Lori (30:09.749)
And she was acting like it was funny. Like it's like no, you're you're not you're not in that space. You're not in that kind of space right now for that to be funny. Like, you know, if you were great getting along, you'd be like, Yeah. But no, I was just like, ooh, it was bad.

Kelli (30:13.629)
She they're they're very immature. She's especially very immature.

No, for sure, for sure.

Kelli (30:26.783)
Right, right, right.

Wendy (30:31.707)
So then Lindsay asks Amanda how the new apartment is and she says it's great. And then Gavin once again says, I wanna know, like the the two of you, like how are you doing sleeping in separate places? Okay, Gavin.

Lori (30:45.697)
Yeah, okay Gavin. Yeah. And

Wendy (30:47.897)
Amanda said it's been fine.

Kelli (30:48.231)
and he says

So Gavin says I wanna know how it's going with you and separate and she says it's been fine and she would go to bed before Kyle and Gavin says because you were high. He is the Atlanta Angela. I mean he's the in he's the you know, Atlanta Angela in the city. He's just doing way too much, Gavin. He's just doing way, way too much.

Wendy (31:08.431)
In the city. Yeah.

Lori (31:12.713)
Way too much. But listen, this is the thing. Amanda and Kyle both have substance abuse issues.

Kelli (31:21.419)
For sure Well, I don't know if they have substance abuse, they just he likes to drink and she likes to smoke weed. One's no better than the other.

Lori (31:23.989)
I'm I'm not gonna s well I'm right. Absolutely but what I'm what I'm saying what I'm saying is no, but what I'm saying is they're both but

Wendy (31:30.385)
Well that's substance abuse issues. How can you not say they've have substance abuse issues?

Kelli (31:34.321)
think they're abusing anything.

Wendy (31:38.129)
I think they are though. 'Cause they can't neither one can cope without it.

Lori (31:42.535)
Well ne and neither one of them wants to face their lives without it. That's a thing. Like both are both are hiding behind it and not and not

Wendy (31:47.865)
Right. Without it. Exactly.

Wendy (31:52.665)
I agree. I think that's yeah.

Kelli (31:53.836)
And they're accusing the other ones of doing it more than necessary, but it's like, but you're doing that.

Lori (31:56.716)
That's what I'm saying. But it's right, but they're both equally hiding they're both equally hiding behind that so as to not have to address what's really going on in the reality of their relationship. That's what I mean by it.

Wendy (32:01.339)
Mm-hmm. They're doing the same thing.

Wendy (32:09.883)
Deal with their reality.

Kelli (32:12.16)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (32:15.483)
But I consider that to be substance abuse issue. I do. If you can't live your life without this to survive, like and you know, that's a that's a substance abuse issue. I mean

Lori (32:28.405)
Yeah, I don't know I don't know if either one of them can do that. I'm just saying both of them are using it at this point to

Kelli (32:28.533)
Yeah.

Lori (32:37.921)
you know, hide away from what's really going on.

Kelli (32:40.609)
My allergies are so bad, so I just keep rubbing my nose, people. I'm really sorry. I'm not

Wendy (32:46.863)
It's okay. We know you're not doing the snow. We know. We know that. We know that. We know that.

Kelli (32:48.075)
blowing lines in the bathroom. I'm really not, I promise.

Lori (32:49.975)
There's no s no s no ski. There no skiing going on. Okay.

Kelli (32:54.719)
I swear, I swear.

Wendy (32:57.933)
It is allergy season.

So then it comes out, so then Lindsay says to Gavin, You're being so judgmental, and Gavin says, Well, I'm supporting both of them. And Danielle said, Well, this is all coming from him and she's pointing to Kyle. And Danielle said, It sounds like it's coming from you telling him and Kyle said, Yeah, no shit, Sherlock. Of course I told him. I was like I was like, boy.

Kelli (33:19.349)
Which was which was very rude. He's very rude to Danielle Kyle. He really is.

Lori (33:19.725)
Yeah. Well I kinda like I kinda liked it because he was it's true it's true. Like it it's not like he was trying to hide something. He was like, Yeah, and like what's your what's your fucking point?

Wendy (33:27.355)
Right.

Wendy (33:33.711)
Well, because then Kenny jumps in and Kenny said, Listen, the narrative that's going around here is that Kyle drinks too much and Amanda smokes too much, which is the narrative that's going around. Right. So I mean

Lori (33:43.117)
Which is the narrative, absolutely.

Kelli (33:46.09)
And she says my smoking is not detrimental to the relationship because I've never cheated after smoking. Okay, she's never cheated after smoking, but you can't say your smoking isn't detrimental to your relationship because if it's lowering your sex drive and you're not getting busy as much, then it's detrimental.

Wendy (33:57.06)
Exactly. Right.

Wendy (34:02.129)
Exactly.

Lori (34:05.431)
Well the problem is is that like I said, she's hiding behind it. So she's checking out. She's checking out. And she's using that to check out.

Kelli (34:09.535)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (34:19.735)
So

Wendy (34:20.433)
So and then and then everyone at the table feels the need to like jump in on this conversation. 'Cause Dan Danielle jumps in, Gavin even Georgina says, like not having sex when you're high versus cheating when you're high are two incredibly different things. But actually, honestly they're in my opinion they're not. Then Kenny jumps in and gives his opinion. Like

Lori (34:25.196)
Kelli (34:37.299)
No, they are. I mean she didn't cheat on him. She didn't cheat on him.

Wendy (34:42.319)
I mean j she did a I mean eventually. Yeah, I mean yeah. Ca

Lori (34:44.011)
Maybe she did though. But did she eventually?

Kelli (34:46.645)
No, I don't think she I think we would know by now. Are you kidding me? If she cheated on Kyle, we'd know by now. Jesus, Lord Almighty. Look at how he's playing victim now.

Lori (34:50.731)
You don't you don't think that you don't you don't think that while she's been married to Kyle in this last season of Summerhouse that she there was nothing going on with her and West. Come on. Come on. I do.

Wendy (35:02.955)
I do. I do.

Kelli (35:04.393)
I know Wendy does. I personally do not. I don't think there was anything physical going on. I know. I listen, I know I'm in the minority here. I know I am. I really don't think anything physical was going on. Obviously there was an emotional connection for sure, but I don't think anything physical happened. I don't think their timeline adds up either.

Wendy (35:09.873)
I do too. I do too. I do too.

Lori (35:11.253)
I do too. I I do too.

Kelli (35:32.821)
But I don't think in the summer it was going on. But listen, I know I'm in the minority, so I'm probably wrong.

Wendy (35:36.475)
But you even said I know, but y you even said an emotional connection, emotional cheating is worse than physical. So

Kelli (35:42.077)
I mean, listen, I think that I think West has had a thing for Amanda since he walked into that house. And I think

Lori (35:45.325)
Yeah, they

Wendy (35:49.968)
West has a thing for something that's unattainable. He's just an F boy. He just wants what he can't have. And then when he gets it, he doesn't want it. That's who West is. That's who West is.

Lori (35:54.41)
Right. What he can have. Right. Absolutely.

Kelli (35:57.856)
Right. And I think Amanda was very comfortable in her situation with Kyle because Kyle was a shitty husband. But she never did anything about it. She could have left a long time ago. And quite honestly, had she left a long time ago, she would have been better off because she was a Bravo favorite. And she was friends with Hannah and Paige and Sierra. Like she could have really

Wendy (36:10.533)
Think she was a shitty wife.

Lori (36:19.507)
absolutely.

Kelli (36:27.691)
Did she could have done something with that had she left a while ago. She stayed because she was comfortable and she was comfortable in the position of being the wife of a husband who looked like a douchebag on T V.

Lori (36:31.735)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (36:33.157)
I think she was a shitty wife. She was a shitty wife.

Lori (36:39.915)
The victim. She was the she was she's comfortable being a victim is what she's very comfortable being.

Wendy (36:43.195)
The victim.

Kelli (36:46.271)
Yeah. Yes.

Wendy (36:47.663)
And you know, you said that Ky I I'm gonna totally disagree with you. You said that Kyle's playing victim. First of all, I don't think Kyle's ever played victim. He's owned who he was, he owns who he is. When he did that when he did the the after after show, he was worried about Amanda, he was worried about Sierra, and he was worried about Miha's feelings. He never wanted an apology for himself. He was worried about those three other people, which is more than I can say for Amanda.

Kelli (36:56.669)
my God, I think Kyle's played victims since he's been on R T V.

Kelli (37:14.241)
I think both things can be true. in the middle of the reunion he was like, hello, why is nobody talking about me? I'm I'm I'm the husband. Yeah, well he said it.

Wendy (37:23.119)
He said it once. He d he was right though. He said it once. He said it once.

Lori (37:26.721)
But he should I think he should say it. Why why wouldn't anybody he is a husband. She's his wife's his wife's gone with somebody else and blah blah blah. I don't know.

Wendy (37:30.211)
I think he should too. Yeah, I think he should too. He was the husband.

Kelli (37:39.989)
Yeah. No, I I d I definit I think Kyle's played a victim for a long time on T V.

Wendy (37:40.165)
Just because one cheese d two wrongs don't make a right.

I don't think he plays a victim. I disagree. But we'll move on. Nick says, listen, guys, it's our wedding. Like, let them fight. You're right, he did say let them fight. Yvonne said, I am so over everyone fighting at this dinner table, especially when people show up in a white dress and Danielle's like, Are you talking about me, bitch?

Kelli (38:09.953)
I don't think she really meant to call like I think it was like bitch like what, bitch, bruh? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But no but not appropriate on her wedding day. neither.

Wendy (38:09.969)
Lori (38:12.725)
No, I no, it was just like yeah, it was just like bitch, like what yeah. Yeah, like what do you mean bitch? Like what? Yeah. Yeah, it it it didn't go well.

Wendy (38:18.193)
But you Levant

Wendy (38:24.417)
Yvonne said, You're calling me a bitch at my own dinner. And Lindsay said, Well, Danielle, don't call her a bitch. Don't call her a bitch. And Yvonne said, Am I allowed to have an opinion at my own wedding? Okay, Yvonne, listen, you're allowed to have an opinion, but let's be real, this is not your wedding. You've had two actual weddings, like you had your celebration in Mexico, you had your court date, and now this is a dinner. Like z it's a dinner.

Kelli (38:47.337)
It's just a dinner.

Lori (38:48.597)
And no and n not not for nothing. It's a dinner for Bravo. This is not a dinner that you have and you have invited your closest friends and family. This is a work dinner. It's a work dinner. It's a work dinner. And Bravo probably paid for the work dinner. You probably didn't pay for it yours. So it's all shenanigans. But it's just got to be such a really weird thing being in reality TV. Like, because you're almost

Kelli (38:53.695)
Exactly.

Wendy (38:53.967)
Right. Right.

Kelli (38:58.783)
Right. You invited your coworkers. Yes. Yes.

Lori (39:17.515)
Coworkers, slash kind of friends. So it's gotta be really it's gotta be really weird. It's a weird dynamic, you know.

Kelli (39:27.241)
And then in the middle then Gavin starts talking about Kyle and Amanda again. I'm like, what the F is going on? Like, this guy's like a dog with a bone.

Wendy (39:27.344)
It is weird.

Lori (39:36.182)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, he cannot read the room and he's rude. And it's it's his delivery. His delivery is very and very invasive. Like you could ask the same questions that he asked in more of a conversational kind of way, in a certain way, if you do it right, but he just he's just like, you know, instead of somebody saying, you know, somebody's got a bugger in the nose, and somebody going like,

Wendy (39:44.554)
it's totally his delivery.

Lori (40:06.465)
You gotta you gotta snot hanging out of your note. Like just not.

Kelli (40:06.624)
Right.

Wendy (40:11.621)
That's what Gavin's gonna do. Yeah. Yeah, you're absolutely right. You're right. Because even when, you know, Daniel Danielle says, Well, you could have told me when I texted you the picture of it. And Gavin's like, wait, there's a text. well, let's you know, like l like he's gotta stick his nose into that. Seriously, Gavin? You have to decide about the pink dress now? Like you are involved in too many things.

Lori (40:13.642)
Yeah, you know.

Wendy (40:36.945)
Kelli (40:36.969)
I'm like so tired of hearing about Kyle and Amanda's relationship though. I mean, it's enough.

Lori (40:40.988)
Lori (40:44.575)
only watched a couple episodes. I didn't even watch the Summer House thing and it's getting on my nerves. I haven't watched it half as long as you people.

Kelli (40:49.057)
Yeah, like I feel like we've we've we've heard enough. Just end it. Call it. Call it.

Lori (40:58.913)
But that's the thing. Like I think they have to keep it they have to drag it out for their paycheck. Like they have to

Wendy (40:59.685)
It's true.

Kelli (41:05.247)
Right. Yeah.

Lori (41:08.724)
That shit's been over.

Wendy (41:09.253)
Well, at some point Yvonne gets up and walks away from the table disgusted. But prior to that happening, Georgina says, which I actually think is the one smart thing that was said. She said, you know, Amanda Kyle, just from someone who's been in your shoes where I've moved out, like I moved out of our apartment for someone I with someone I was dating for five years and it was to take space and I thought we'd get back together, but I'll never forget the day I moved out, I was so sad. Like he went to the gym

And I was so sad and I remember like saying to myself, Yep, like I would have still moved out even if he begged me to stay. Like he didn't, but like the fact that the exact same thing happened between Amanda and Kyle. Like, Kyle wasn't there the day she moved out. He wasn't there the day before she moved out. You know, there's there's n they're not getting back together is basically what Georgina was trying to say. Like, take it from someone who's been there and done this, like this

Kelli (41:54.006)
Yeah.

Wendy (42:08.003)
Like you need to move on from this. Like you need to get yourself both in a a healthy space. And now Lindsay's now Lindsay's sitting there and she's crying. I'm like, my gosh, like what is going on at this dinner? And it all of a sudden she says in her confessional, like it hit her like when her you know, her baby daddy and her started dating, like she thought that this was gonna be her guy and she knew that like he didn't like the public, you know, the public

Kelli (42:15.435)
Yeah.

Wendy (42:36.721)
person, but they thought that they could figure it out. And like she's now seeing once Georgina port pointed it out, like she should have seen that. And how could she have seen that? Like, unless you're in the like you you know, h hindsight is always twenty twenty, right? You can't you can't blame yourself on something you didn't see in the past.

Kelli (42:47.648)
Yeah.

Lori (42:52.653)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (42:52.757)
Yeah.

Wendy (42:59.169)
I don't know. I thought listen, I thought that was one smart thing. I also thought it was it was sad that, you know, Avon had to get up and walk away from her own dinner.

Lori (43:10.377)
And did anybody did any of them then any of them bitches get up? Okay? So really, quite frankly, Lindsay instead of crying about her own shit, should have been like, okay, this is my friend, this is kind of fucked up. Let me go see what's up.

Wendy (43:13.115)
Go chase her?

Wendy (43:16.803)
No

Kelli (43:17.226)
No.

Wendy (43:26.713)
And honestly, that's what Yvonne's problem was. But that's what but Yvonne and Lindsay are very close friends. And that's what Yvonne's problem was. Like, why didn't she come for me? Like she's she's supposed to be my girl. Right.

Kelli (43:27.733)
Lindsay's not gonna follow her out. Lindsay's not gonna follow.

Kelli (43:34.977)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (43:38.731)
Because she was having her moment. She was having her moment, Lindsay.

Lori (43:38.803)
Absolutely. Right. Right. She's ve she's very busy having her moment. Arms flailing, crying, the whole thing.

Kelli (43:45.014)
Yeah. And I'm not saying Lindsay's not a good friend, 'cause we saw on the reunion how she said she had to go pick Sierra up off the floor and get her you know, I'm not saying Lindsay's not a good friend, but she was definitely having her own moment there and she wasn't gonna let Yvonne walking out of her own wedding stop it.

Wendy (43:48.977)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (43:52.483)
No, she is

Lori (44:01.015)
Exactly. Exactly.

Wendy (44:07.013)
All right, so let's see if we can skip through some stuff.

Kelli (44:13.149)
I loved when Kyle w runs away and says, Any further questions you can email me and then he goes down to the bar and he's talking he's talking to the bartender about his relationship. Bartender's like, Who the fuck are you?

Lori (44:21.757)
No one's listening to him. I I wrote down like who I'm I'm right down I'm write down like who's he talking to? There's nobody there. Like who you talking to? No. No but he he was he was ripped up though. He was ripped up. He was totally ripped up. I was like,

Kelli (44:29.889)
Nobody was listening, that's for sure. That was so funny.

Wendy (44:37.519)
He was, he was, he was. When Kyle goes down to the bar, Amanda goes over to Lindsay and asks her if she's okay and she apologizes to her. Amanda hugs her and says that she loves her. then meanwhile, Danielle's showing the picture to Gavin of the dress that she texted. Yvonne comes back to the table and you know she says to

I don't think she says I think she says this in her confessional. I've known Lindsay for a hundred years. I don't care if Lindsay gets activated, but she's not getting activated for the right couple. I'm like your sister, and you're sending you're standing on your chair screaming about Kyle and Amanda. Like I need you to stand on your chair and tell everyone to shut up so that my five course dinner can proceed. Which I completely agree with because

Lori (45:10.317)
Absolutely.

Lori (45:21.759)
Absolutely. Com completely agree.

Kelli (45:28.891)
Georgina gives a toast. She gives a nice toast. And then Kyle comes back to the table and brings it back to himself again. I'm like, this is ridiculous. But this is who Kyle is and this is who Kyle has always been.

Wendy (45:29.445)
Lori (45:37.652)
Mm-hmm. Yes it was.

And and me me not watching the show that this goes with, not watching Summerhouse, when that other chick starts yakking about that that's not okay. I was like, who the fuck is she? I don't even know who she is. It was Amanda Amanda's best friend. It was the one line sh Yeah, I was like, Who who's this chick? Like I was like, okay. I had no idea.

Wendy (45:56.485)
Who was that?

Kelli (45:59.074)
Katie.

Wendy (45:59.802)
Okay.

Kelli (46:05.557)
We didn't know her before in the city either, by the way. She's Amanda's best friend since childhood and we've never met her before. She might have been on Summer House at a party or something, but we've never like formally known Katie, Amanda's best friend from childhood. Like she came out of the woodwork. No.

Lori (46:14.263)
It was weird. okay. I thought she was Yeah, I thought she was some former cast member or something. Yeah, I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I was like trying to figure out who is this chick? You know, bitching about Kyle.

Wendy (46:31.493)
Yeah, and I can tell you I pretty much can almost guarantee that since Amanda's not on Summer House, we are not gonna see her on in the city and we are not gonna see Katie ever again. Because Katie and Amanda came together. Right?

Kelli (46:43.105)
We probably will never see Katie again. I'm pretty sure she works for CNN, so she does not need this. exactly.

Wendy (46:50.481)
Good. 'Cause she's not gonna get it.

Wendy (46:57.009)
Lori (46:57.995)
Yeah. But you know, at any point both Kyle and or Amanda could have said, look.

Kelli (46:58.289)
Mm.

Lori (47:08.555)
I know we got we got a lot of shit going on, blah blah blah. Let's not talk about us right now. We're at we're at Yvonne and Nick's wedding. Let's let's table this. But d both of them are like, Woohoo, spotlight on me. Yeah, let's talk about it. Let you know, and I was just like gross. Gross.

Kelli (47:14.881)
Right.

Kelli (47:20.629)
Yes.

Kelli (47:25.567)
Yep. Exactly.

Wendy (47:32.571)
So then it comes out that then the w we get past the Kyle and Amanda thing and then we get the Danielle's activated. Yeah. Danielle's activated because of what she found out about Lindsay Googling her and her wedding date. And Lin

Kelli (47:38.315)
Finally.

Lori (47:48.686)
Again, she really should have thought to herself, okay, this fucking shenanigans has gone on good enough, but she wants to be a reality TV star and shine the spotlight on herself, so she decides to blah blah blah. And you know what? She really shouldn't say shit because you're on a reality TV show. What do you think? You thought you were gonna bring your still married boyfriend on the show and no one was gonna ask about it?

Kelli (47:56.437)
Yeah.

Lori (48:17.557)
And you didn't think Lindsay was gonna ask about it? Like, come on.

Kelli (48:18.047)
Well, I think that's Lindsay's point. But if he's still going through a divorce, he probably can't talk about it. Just like Lindsay's not talking about mediation with her baby daddy. We're not hearing about we understand it happened, but we're not hearing about it. It's a legal issue. This guy's divorce is a legal issue. And if it's still ongoing while they're filming, he can't talk about it. Like, but I you know.

Wendy (48:21.029)
That's a hundred percent Lindsay's point.

Lori (48:31.36)
Right, this is true too.

Lori (48:35.615)
All the details, correct. Right.

Lori (48:43.819)
Right. This is true too. Yeah.

Kelli (48:47.317)
I that's Lindsay's point. Like why come well, well you know, it comes up, obviously.

Wendy (48:51.269)
Yeah, well, because that's I mean, that's exactly what happens. Cause so Danielle starts yelling at Lindsay and Lindsay's like, Why am I getting blamed? Why is this getting blamed on me? She's like, Listen, the guys at the Garrett are the one that told me to do this. Like, they're the ones who even said, Google it. And Danielle said, like, if we were baby stepping in the right direction, then why wouldn't you just text me about it instead of Googling it? Which I have to agree with her. I agree with her. Right? Because they were friends.

Kelli (49:15.403)
Totally agree.

Wendy (49:19.249)
Дево френдс, вино дати френс.

Kelli (49:19.541)
Yep. They weren't show friends, they were real friends.

Wendy (49:23.557)
They were actually real friends, right? And then Amanda and Danielle start yelling at each other because Amanda said, I asked Owen, was he actually married for two years but knew each other for four? And Owen's response to me was, Well, have you heard of something called COVID? And Amanda said, Don't get snappy at me. And then Danielle said, Well, keep you know, they keep yelling at each other. And I wrote down, This is actually the worst wedding celebration I've ever seen in my life. Like

Lori (49:52.878)
horrible, horrible, horrible.

Kelli (49:53.291)
Totally. I love when Georgina says, I think there's a head in his freezer and that's why we don't know anything about him.

Lori (49:59.254)
Ha ha ha.

Wendy (49:59.601)
my god, that was so funny. I wrote that down too. I know.

Lori (50:03.691)
But Gavin was acting like like Maury Povich, like shooting out like interview questions. I don't know if you guys caught this, but I rewound this and wrote it down verbatim. When they were going through the whole Are You in Love with Kyle thing? Okay. Amanda says if I was in love with this person, I wouldn't be treated this way.

Kelli (50:07.263)
Yes.

Wendy (50:20.56)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (50:30.891)
What? What what are you even talking about? She said, if I if I was in love with this person, I wouldn't be treated this way. You being in love, you, you, no, that's not the thing. You being in love with somebody has nothing to do with the way that they treat you. You understand what I'm saying? I was like.

Wendy (50:34.171)
She said wait, she said if I was, not if I wasn't?

Kelli (50:43.413)
Yeah. She did say that.

Wendy (50:44.241)
So that means you're not in love.

Wendy (50:54.2)
No, it doesn't.

Kelli (50:56.895)
Yeah.

Lori (50:56.949)
You're not did you like smoke before you came? Like it did you're not it's not making any sense what you're saying. And I was like and so I had to rewind it and listen to it again. I was like, What? Like but I think that's very metaphorical for how she really thinks. Like she thinks what she said makes sense because it makes sense to her. But it really it doesn't make sense because

Kelli (51:06.912)
Yeah.

Lori (51:24.139)
You know what I'm saying? Like how you're treated has nothing to do whether you are in love with somebody. Like it it should have been like if Kyle was in love with me, he wouldn't be treating me this way. But she said, if I was in love with this pr yeah, like I was just like, Girl, you're messed up. Backwards, right? It was all backwards.

Wendy (51:39.856)
If I

That's backwards. Yeah, that's backwards. That's backwards. Yeah.

Kelli (51:44.895)
Right. Right. She did she definitely did say that though.

So Lindsay starts to say about Danielle, why are you on the show then? Why are you on the show? And Danielle's like, that's what this is about. And it is what it's about. The guy got married in twenty twenty one during COVID, couldn't have the big hoopla that the chick wanted. So in twenty twenty three they had the hoopla. They've been married for four years. Case closed. You could stop investigating. But

Wendy (51:50.682)
And Danielle and

Lori (52:01.069)
Mm.

Lori (52:12.481)
Right. Right.

Kelli (52:17.727)
That is what this is about. Lindsay did not want Danielle on this show. She's gonna poke and poke and poke and try to make Danielle look like she's not bringing anything 'cause Lindsay knows that's what will get her off the show.

Lori (52:31.019)
Really, but this is a thing, Danielle. You knew that the bride was pissed at you already. You should have just shut the fuck up. You should have just that's what I'm saying.

Wendy (52:36.153)
Yes. She should have shut up. She shouldn't

Kelli (52:37.515)
Well, you you had to know this was gonna come up. And you should have had a better handle on it than why are you investigating him? Of course they're gonna look it up. Of course this is gonna come up. I'm wondering if she's blaming Lindsay for putting that blind it that this whole Dumois thing, it's very gossip girl. I think she thinks Lindsay put the blind item out. and she might have.

Lori (52:49.943)
Right.

Lori (52:57.802)
the blind item, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lori (53:04.985)
and this was the best too. So when Yvonne is getting upset and walking away from the table

Gavin screams over to her. Can you get me like a vodka and stuff? Get me a so I was like like she was the like she was a waitress at her own party. I was just like Dude, what? my god. Yeah, he was like screaming. Georgina was talking and he's screaming over her while she's walking away like she's the waitress.

Wendy (53:19.545)
Don't get me drink. my god. my god. I wrote that down too.

Kelli (53:21.408)
Yeah.

Kelli (53:29.077)
He's such a tool. He's he's a tool.

Wendy (53:29.169)
Are you kidding me? He really is. He really is a tool. He really is a tool.

Wendy (53:41.392)
Yes, I wrote that down too. I thought, my God, my God. And then Nick starts banging on the table. Like I wanna like can s like I wanna clear this up. Yvonne and I got married a year ago, a year and a half ago, and then we got married one week ago. And this just feels like like one long perfect day as you guys are effing psychos. And I was like, my god, like these poor people are trying to like and then that's when Owen explained his exact

Lori (53:42.312)
my god.

Kelli (53:48.033)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (54:05.361)
Hm? True.

Wendy (54:11.267)
Situation. my gosh, this was the worst. It Nick says, Is there any alcohol? Is there any alcohol in anyone's glass? Like, can you pass it to me, please? And Kenny's like, I just got this, but I'll sacrifice it for you, man. Yes, Kenny. You need it to sacrifice. And I don't know why there wasn't more alcohol at that table because that's what they needed. Like, that was insanity. That dinner was insanity. It really was.

Kelli (54:17.685)
It was bad.

Kelli (54:35.051)
That was crazy. Yeah.

Lori (54:38.005)
And how about when

Lori (54:42.199)
Danielle is like showing the picture to Gavin and s and she's like, It's pink, right? And Gavin's like, he's like, Yeah, but I want him worn it.

Wendy (54:47.387)
Yeah.

Аніслак, є.

Lori (54:56.277)
I wouldn't warn it, but yeah. I was like, my God.

Wendy (54:58.929)
I mean so after this shit show of a dinner and Kenny says like there's a lot of tension going on here, so I'm thinking like maybe we could all benefit from getting out of the city because now we find out that s Lindsay and Kenny have planned a Friendsgiving trip in what, Connecticut? They're all gonna go to Connecticut together. So we know it's gotta be November now. I mean I mean probably it could be an hour and a half. I mean it is Connecticut.

Kelli (55:16.755)
In Connecticut. Yeah.

I mean what, they're gonna go a half hour away?

Lori (55:24.075)
Yeah, it's good. And really, the thing that the only thing that Kenny should have done is given a toast to the bride and groom. That's the only thing you should have done. Like shit just so funny.

Kelli (55:29.129)
Not from the city.

Kelli (55:37.247)
Right. Right.

Wendy (55:43.228)
I mean it was insane it was totally insane. But you know what? I am so here for this Friendsgiving, to be quite honest with you. Like I I don't know. I don't even know what to expect. We're on we're only on episode seven. I think we only maybe have eight episodes. That might be it for our first season, 'cause I know that they've yeah, 'cause I know they already filmed the reunion. I think the first season's short. I could be wrong, but I have a feeling that it's it's short. The first season's short.

Kelli (55:49.649)
Me too. Me too.

Kelli (55:59.112)
really?

Kelli (56:09.865)
Wow.

Lori (56:10.313)
And and how about after Kenny makes the announcement and Yvonne's like, you're planning an event? We can't wait to be there. What fun.

Wendy (56:18.224)
Yeah.

Kelli (56:20.161)
She's like, I'm gonna fuck your dinner all up.

Lori (56:24.685)
Wendy (56:27.131)
I mean, are they all gonna be staying at the same place in Connecticut? Like I feel like

Lori (56:30.027)
I believe so. I saw some things for in the yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what they got. So I saw a little snippet of it and Kenny says to Yvonne and Nick, you know, listen, we got this house, but since we like fucked up your dinner, why don't you guys have like first pick of a room? And then Lindsay chimes in and says

Kelli (56:30.315)
That's yeah, like are they getting like a big, huge Airbnb? I mean, you're gonna need a lot of rooms. There's a lot of people on this cast.

Wendy (56:33.495)
I feel like this yeah.

Lori (56:59.591)
no, me and Georgina are taking the biggest room because we're moms and we're away for the weekend. I was like, okay. Okay.

Kelli (57:07.183)
I think I saw that too.

Wendy (57:08.913)
Lori (57:13.965)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (57:15.342)
I'm so here for this. Maybe we we might get two episodes, but I I don't think there's anything more than that. I really don't.

Kelli (57:20.725)
Yeah.

Lori (57:21.685)
It was a absolutely exhausting. Exhausting. It was over the top.

Kelli (57:25.695)
Yeah. And they're getting a reunion. They had a reunion, so

Wendy (57:30.342)
Yeah. I mean and they're coming back. We know there's gonna be another season. They're coming back. So I don't know. I definitely like the show. I think Carl will be there next season. I really a hundred percent think Carl will be there. we may even get Jesse, and I'm be here for Jesse too. We'll see how Summerhouse goes. We'll see how Summerhouse goes, but I would be here for Jesse. Lori's like s poor Lori. She's just like, No, no, we have another season. Can we end?

Kelli (57:41.653)
I do too.

Kelli (57:47.335)
me too. Me too. Yeah.

Lori (57:56.27)
So exhausting. I'm having wine because it's just too much. I have to watch it and then I gotta talk about

Wendy (58:03.011)
It's too much talk about it. I know. It's a lot. But listen, our listeners, McBee Dynasty, we we have missed the first three episodes. The fourth episode airs airs on Monday, and we will be recapping it shortly. We'll but I want to say there's a lot of drama going on behind the scenes. I'm telling you, it's going it's it's big things going on. I don't know if anyone has seen this. I big things with Jake.

Lori (58:28.983)
Big going's on.

Wendy (58:32.923)
Jake is is one of the farmhands. He's not family. And supposedly he has an audio recording of Steven Jr. saying bad things about the help and about the contracts. And if that's if

Kelli (58:49.067)
This guy is a he's a nightmare, Stephen McBee Junior.

Wendy (58:53.037)
So Steve McBee Jr., listen, I've w I've watched every episode so far from the very beginning. I have never disliked anybody as much as I like Steve McBe and and Kelly, you can appreciate this. I dislike Steve McBee Jr., I think probably more than you dislike Kyle right now. He yes, yes. This first seas this season three, all these episodes, because I know what happened. We know that we know that he he and out

Kelli (59:11.445)
Wow.

Kelli (59:20.661)
That's the problem. We're going into this season knowing what came out about him and Allie.

Wendy (59:24.251)
But even even if I didn't it's the same thing with Amanda, but even if I didn't know that, just watching watching the way he operates with his family and the way he doesn't he puts himself first, he is the most narcissistic person I've ever seen in my life. And I love his brothers. I love Cole, I love Jesse, I love Braden, I love his mom Christy. So his father's a douche just like him. Masha and Galena are

Lori (59:25.601)
Well it's but it's the same thing with Amanda. Like you you already know 'cause you know what I mean?

Kelli (59:41.963)
Yeah.

Wendy (59:51.708)
Freaking crazy Russians and I'm here for it. But Steve McBee Junior is the biggest narcissist I've ever seen. And we need to talk about it.

Lori (01:00:00.385)
But isn't it but isn't amazing though? To me, that's just totally amazing that people would put themselves on television, watch them s watch themselves back and not get any cue as to how fucked up they are. Like they just don't but how d how does that ev how does that happen?

Wendy (01:00:12.19)
he has no idea he's a narcissist.

Kelli (01:00:26.869)
So h that what's what's playing right now was recorded prior to this whole thing coming out with these text messages that he had sent his girlfriend.

Wendy (01:00:35.621)
About stage coach.

Lori (01:00:38.096)
I know about the text messages. I know about that. I did see that on social media.

Wendy (01:00:40.561)
That happened to stagecoach. Right.

Kelli (01:00:40.639)
that were eye opening, I mean

Lori (01:00:44.491)
Yeah, I did see that.

Kelli (01:00:46.407)
Eye opening. So this was already recorded. So we'll see if they bring them back for a fourth season. Then we'll see if there's any accountability on his part. Because on social media he's acting like he's taking accountability. But a narcissist is a narcissist.

Wendy (01:00:47.195)
So the the first episode

Wendy (01:00:58.725)
There's no accountability.

Wendy (01:01:04.785)
I I yeah, I mean I I want you guys to watch it. I want you to see what I what I especially when I told you how I feel. And you know, I don't I don't like to I don't like to dislike. I like to I like to like I can't root for this guy. I really can't. I can't. But you will like you will really like Allie and Casey, the the fiance and wife of Jesse and Cole. Like Jesse and Cole are really like good salt of the earth, you know

Lori (01:01:06.688)
Absolutely.

Kelli (01:01:10.664)
I'm definitely gonna watch it. I gotta get caught up.

Lori (01:01:13.793)
All right, I'm gonna have to watch it now.

Wendy (01:01:34.895)
Guys, they are hardworking farmers and they want what's best for the family. Steve Junior, he wants what's best for him. He is not he says he's there for the family and he's the oldest and he should be, but he is his father's son 100%. 100% he's his father's son.

Kelli (01:01:51.039)
He was already on another reality show. What's it called? Joe Millionaire?

Wendy (01:01:55.45)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So all right. Stay tuned. Thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye.

Lori (01:01:57.631)
I vaguely remember some show like that.

Kelli (01:01:58.337)
He's Yeah. All right, we're over an hour. We gotta shut it down.

Lori (01:02:04.141)
All right, goodbye.

Kelli (01:02:10.475)
Bye.

Lori (01:02:11.105)
Bye.