RHOA: George, Gossip & Gilmerton House

Kelli (00:01.292)
Hi, welcome to Be Wine Whenever, I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:04.397)
I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:06.28)
And tonight we're talking about Real Housewives of Atlanta, season 17, episode thirteen, Kills Chaos, and Reads. before we start, we'd like to ask you to please go to our YouTube and subscribe, our Instagram and follow, TikTok, Facebook, follow and share. And please give us five star reviews. And thank you to everyone. Yeah.

Wendy (00:30.711)
And all that fun stuff. Did you say did you say kills or kilts?

Kelli (00:36.734)
I thought it said kills. Does it say kilts? I thought it was kills because it was like a traitor's thing. that's funny.

Wendy (00:38.893)
Kilts. Yeah.

Wendy (00:45.229)
I was killed 'cause it was Scotland.

Kelli (00:59.054)
Not returning to Real Housewives of Rhode Island. Her choice, not that she was fired. I don't know if that's true. I don't know if I believe it, but that just came out. So who knows? It was on social media. Even that up and Adam reported on it. Which, you know, he's not always the most reliable source either, though. and the second thing is I listened to the messy podcast with Jamie Lynn Ziggler and Christina Applegate.

Wendy (01:08.897)
Where did you wait, where did you see that?

Kelli (01:29.77)
And I think it's their latest one. They had well, it was just Jamie Lynn. Christina wasn't on it, but Mia Calabrice from Summerhouse. Such a good interview. It's so good. So go to the Messi podcast and listen to Mia Calabries from Summer House. Really, really good. yeah. Yeah. so we're at the airport.

Wendy (01:51.541)
Yeah, that's good to know.

Kelli (01:58.841)
We're getting ready to go to Scotland. Pinky's outfit, chef's kiss for flying. She looked perfect. Portia looked very comfortable.

Wendy (02:06.964)
I'm sorry. I thought Pinky looked like a slob. I'm sorry, I did. Like she just had on s she just had on sweats. Like, listen, I get sweats, but I feel like I I feel like she could put on a scarf or I mean, just something other than sweats.

Kelli (02:13.283)
I didn't at all.

Kelli (02:25.566)
think you put a scarf on what sweatpants.

Wendy (02:28.812)
I mean, I don't know, I wanted something more. I did, I really did.

Kelli (02:32.712)
no. I thought she was I thought it was perfect. If I were flying to Scotland, that's what I would want to be wearing. Especially knowing the weather when they got there. It was

Wendy (02:39.208)
I know that's what you'd be wearing. I mean, Chris Cynthia with the leather skirt, I don't know what the hell she was thinking. I mean she looked great, but a leather skirt?

Kelli (02:46.754)
That's I mean, what are you doing? yeah, but not it didn't look very comfortable to fly in. But anyway, so they land in Scotland and it's rainy and then they show Atlanta and it's sunny. I didn't write down the difference in degrees, but I'm sure there was a decent amount of a difference there.

Wendy (03:08.82)
It was fifty six degrees in Scotland and eighty one in Atlanta.

Kelli (03:13.686)
Yeah, so it's a pretty big difference. they all get in their cars and they're driving and Phaedra says Scotland is the perfect place for her birthday because it's full of history, royalty, castles, and beautiful men. And then Kelly asks if there's a hood in Scotland. That was funny. they pull up to the Gilmerton House.

Wendy (03:33.728)
That was funny. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (03:41.451)
It houses twenty guests, it says. It has ten bedrooms, ten bathrooms. So at least there won't be any fighting over anybody sharing a room, except that Kelly's the Kelly's the only one that doesn't have a bathroom in her room. But she has she still has her own bathroom though.

Wendy (03:51.624)
Exactly.

Wendy (03:58.454)
Yeah.

Wendy (04:01.814)
She does. And that castle was built. I guess that's when castles were built. The castle was built in sixteen fifty. So, speaking of con podcasts, I was listening to I don't know why I do this, Dana Wilkie. because she had started well, yeah, I mean, yes, I don't I actually don't mind her podcast, but

Kelli (04:20.822)
I like her podcast. No?

Wendy (04:27.424)
You don't really find out the juicy stuff unless you go to her Patreon, so she leaves you hangin' which you don't really like. But

Kelli (04:31.706)
yeah, I nah I don't I don't subscribe.

Wendy (04:37.332)
Yeah, that being said, she's in Scotland because her son is like a nerd and is like a history buff and like they're doing all these things and she was talking about this castle that she's staying at and like all i I mean, it's very braggadocious, but not as braggadocious as she was when she was on Beverly Hills. But it just sounds like this ver like I feel like I want to go to Scotland and go see a castle. I feel like I need to do that now. Like I wanna go see a Scottish castle.

Kelli (04:56.451)
Yeah.

Kelli (05:07.01)
My boss is there right now because his son is graduating from Saint Andrews College.

Wendy (05:07.178)
I don't know.

Wendy (05:12.142)
there you go. There you go. And isn't is that where is that Saint Andrews? Is that no, the Citadel. What's his name? Sutton's son just graduated from the Citadel.

Kelli (05:14.104)
His second son to graduate from there, yeah.

Kelli (05:23.423)
yeah. No, but Prince w I do know Prince William went there.

Wendy (05:27.016)
St Andrews. I knew somebody went there recently, right? Or yeah, that's not that recent.

Kelli (05:28.344)
Mm. Yeah. Yeah.

Right, right. so there's a man there when they pull up and Kelly says he looks like Idris Elba. And then the producer asks Kay, Michelle, if he reminds her of a certain ex, Idris Elba. Did not know she dated him. That's I mean, that's props right there. That's props right there. He is a beautiful, beautiful man.

Wendy (05:38.517)
Yeah.

Wendy (05:51.57)
I did not I know. That was big news. I did not know that either.

Yeah.

Kelli (06:01.206)
I mean not that Kelly can't get it, but Idris Elba, that's that's stats that's status right there, I think.

Wendy (06:01.311)
Yes.

Wendy (06:09.43)
I thought it was funny when the producer asked K Michelle that and she said, No, he's a very nice looking African American buff man and the producer said, Did you say African American? He's a Scottish man. She's like, Black is black. We all we're all the same.

Kelli (06:23.788)
Yeah. She's like we're all the same. I don't I don't know about all that, but

Wendy (06:28.3)
I don't either.

Kelli (06:33.142)
So then there's a bagpiper playing and they all get out of the car dancing to the bagpipes.

Wendy (06:39.54)
Cynthia thinks it's a banjo.

It was like a pancho, Cynthia.

Kelli (06:46.11)
It wasn't a stellar day for the academics at all. It really, really wasn't. so apparently this guy's from TikTok. S it's

Wendy (06:49.95)
No, it really wasn't. No, it wasn't. You're absolutely right. No.

Wendy (07:00.342)
Torgi. Corgi with a T.

Kelli (07:02.614)
Right, but it's something sober f sobers fitness. Can't even read my own typing.

Wendy (07:09.162)
I thought she said he was the black scot on TikTok.

Kelli (07:12.846)
Starroy Sober's Fitness was his hat was his hashtag. So Sumi is like, I've been following him forever.

Wendy (07:22.432)
Yeah.

Kelli (07:25.026)
So Pedro and Portia Phaedra and Portia go look at the rooms and the other ladies go in the dining room. And someone asks Pinky how it's going with the movie and she says they're moving ahead with Shamia as Trina, one of the main characters. And Angela gets a weird look on her face. Did you catch that?

Wendy (07:45.118)
I absolutely did. I put a shady look on her face and then she said, Like, I think we should all join Cameo. I was like, I'm not sure what she means by that.

Kelli (07:48.46)
Yeah. I think we should all do a cameo.

Kelli (07:55.895)
No, I think she said we should all like do a cameo in the movie. We should all Yeah. And Piggy's like Yeah. And Piggy's like, no, thank you. Casting's closed. Kelly mentions how Phaedra is now her attorney b you know, because she can't film her daughters. And she says she how she moved because of the neighbor and Shamia gave her a place to stay.

Wendy (08:01.132)
okay okay. I thought she was yeah, okay.

Wendy (08:10.569)
Okay.

Kelli (08:23.894)
I really want to know what went on with the neighbor.

I really wanna know 'cause there's like a lawsuit, like there's litigation. So yeah

Wendy (08:28.989)
Yeah.

Wendy (08:33.526)
Well, it was a a restraining order. Like she couldn't be within a cer she couldn't live there.

Kelli (08:38.774)
Yeah. So we need like Bravo Docket or well no maybe reality court. Somebody if

Wendy (08:46.314)
Maybe, but honestly. It's Kelly, she's like a little pipsqueak. What the hell could she have done?

Kelli (08:51.446)
I don't know, man. She's probably real feisty. She's probably real feisty. Yeah. So Cynthia says don't hesitate to call on any of us because we've all been through it. And Kelly says it's difficult to be vulnerable because the minute something happens, it's going to be thrown back at her. Now listen, there's a little validity. There's some validity to what she's saying here.

Wendy (08:56.896)
She's a little ankle biter.

Wendy (09:16.268)
Mm.

Kelli (09:22.198)
I mean, with Angela in the room, I listen, I was a I thought Angela was a fan fave, but this year I'm not a fan and I I think it I think she's doing all this for Portia. I can't help but think it.

Wendy (09:40.235)
It's so weird because when you said that in the beginning, I was like, no way. And then for a little while I was like, Yeah, maybe. But after watching this episode, like I think that sh I mean, I think Porsche's softer than Angela is right now. Angela is going in hard for Shamia, and I don't get it. I don't think it's porta.

Kelli (09:57.251)
I think Portia's acting like she's being softer. I think she's acting softer. I you know me. I I I I I I don't know. It is what it is. But then Angela says that that's hypocritical because she was the least represented here. And someone's like, Aren't we all black? Like, what's she talking about? I thought that was funny. She's had the least support.

Wendy (10:05.513)
I know.

Wendy (10:20.148)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (10:23.34)
And she doesn't have anyone chiming in for her, and Shamia says, Yes, you do, and she points to Drew. So Drew says, I may try to be an advocate for her to help get you guys to understand what she's saying. But Angela came in as Drew's friend. So of course yeah, of course Drew's gonna have her back when she needs to.

Wendy (10:29.484)
Yeah.

Wendy (10:40.148)
Yeah, she did.

Wendy (10:46.09)
Right. They're both from Chicago, right? They're both Chicago girls, right? Yeah. Yeah, no, she did. I think she did too. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (10:48.16)
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think she came in as Drew's friend. Either way, as soon as she came in, they clicked. Yeah.

So Kelly brings up the functions where the guy brought up Charles cheating and Kelly says she had that individual removed immediately. And Kelly says she protected Angela and Angela says that's not true because Kelly said she thought Angela had something to do with it. Now I don't remember Kelly saying that.

Wendy (11:22.24)
Well, I do think that at some point that is what came out is they did think that Angela had something to do with it. Before they thought Phaedra had something to do with it, but like that was when what's his name was involved. What was his name?

Kelli (11:29.344)
Right. I just

Kelli (11:36.28)
I don't even remember who that guy was.

Wendy (11:38.54)
I don't remember either, but you know what? It was all convoluted. The whole thing was convoluted. I mean, Phaedra and Angela squashed it.

Kelli (11:43.436)
Yeah. Now now I'm starting to think

Kelli (11:52.052)
Angela says that's blasphemy. As Shimia says let then let's talk about it and brings up Angela saying

Kelli (12:04.062)
saying fuck Charles, fuck Charles. And Angela says, What were you saying? They were talking about a trip that they took. And and and Shamia saying that Angela was like, fuck Charles, fuck Charles. But I don't know. And then Shamia says she never met Angela, but she met Charles a few times because she works for the MBA. And Angela should know that because that's all she talks about.

Wendy (12:28.714)
Right.

Kelli (12:31.64)
But I don't know what she was saying that Angela was saying F. Charles on one of the trips, but I don't remember what she was talking about. I'll tell you what. They talk so fucking fast. I'm not kidding. even even Tess was sitting there for a little while watching it. She's like, I don't even like how do you I'm like, I can't it's so hard for me to keep up. I'm pausing, I'm rewinding, I'm like, these girls talk so they're so quick with their shade and their reads, it's very difficult for

Wendy (12:32.16)
Right.

Wendy (12:38.87)
I didn't write that down and I don't remember either.

Wendy (12:54.955)
I know.

Kelli (13:00.246)
An old white woman to keep up, I'm just gonna say it.

Wendy (13:03.358)
Yeah, and but and Sunday nights isn't it's not our finest hour. Like we're just getting ready to like yeah, like s a Sunday night's a tough thing. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (13:08.588)
Yeah, start the week. Yeah, but we have to do it because we try to record this on Monday. So anyway. Shamia says she yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We said that we saw that. And then Shamia says Angela is investigating her. Two people have brought it up to her that there was something between her and Angela. One of them, okay. So now we get into it.

Wendy (13:15.627)
Yep.

Yeah.

Wendy (13:33.184)
This is where it got weird. This is where it got so weird. Yeah.

Kelli (13:35.127)
It got real weird. So one of them gave Angela money for the event. She tells Angela to stop asking around. Angela says, George. George is the one who gave Shamia money, not Angela. Angela says, George, and we have seen each other in the company of Shamia, and it's her neighbor. So George is Angela's neighbor who apparently said to Angela.

Kelli (14:05.486)
It's here somewhere. Well, first Phaedra says everyone knows George from the billboards because he's crashed for cash. And then Angela blurts out, Girl, did you fuck George?

Wendy (14:13.418)
Right. Yep.

Wendy (14:19.094)
That's right. That's what she said.

Kelli (14:20.438)
So now we're going we're now we're going from her effing all of the Atlanta Hawks and all of the Falcons to George, Angela's neighbor. I mean she is throwing some allegations. George donated to Shemia's breast cancer event and Angela said George said she's so fine I had to pay her. All right, first of all, if George said that, he sounds like a real asshole.

Wendy (14:32.052)
Yes. Yes. Right.

Wendy (14:47.818)
Right, and we see the big giant check that he presents to her for the the breast cancer foundation thing. So it's like are you ki at a charity event.

Kelli (14:54.754)
At a charity event.

Right. So

Wendy (14:59.614)
I mean

Kelli (15:02.476)
Cynthia says Shemia has the power to bring them all together. Did you understand that? Why is Shemia now all of a sudden the one to bring everyone together when everybody's going for Shemiah right now?

Wendy (15:15.722)
Because I honestly think that

Wendy (15:22.624)
think I I think the everyone on if you noticed everyone on that side of the table so on the one side of the table it was Shamia, Kelly, Pinky, and K Michelle, right? And those right, those those four together. On the other side of the table, yep, on the other side of the table it was Portia, Angela, Drew, and Cynthia, right? Now Cynthia and Phaedra. Yes, and Phaedra.

Kelli (15:34.606)
Okay. Mm-hmm.

Portia at the head of the table.

Kelli (15:46.508)
And Pha Portia was at the head of the table. Phaedra, Cynthia, Drew, and Angela. It was the two teams. It was the two teams.

Wendy (15:56.297)
It was the two teams. It was the two teams. But the thing is, like like you said, how is Shamia gonna bring them all together? Because I think that I think what Cynthia said that she was referring to the fact that Shamia and Portia are not speaking. But Portia has said this on the on this season many times that she's not messing with Shamia. She can coexist with her. And Shamia has said the exact same thing about Portia.

Kelli (16:26.254)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (16:26.942)
So to put it on Shemia that she's the one who has to bring this all together, it doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't make sense to me. Because right now it's really Angela who's the one who's dividing it all.

Kelli (16:34.231)
Not at all.

Kelli (16:41.014)
Absolutely.

Wendy (16:42.952)
I don't know. I'm very confused about the whole thing. I don't know why Angela is going so hard for Shamia. I mean, and she's not she's like not letting down. She's not backing down at all.

Kelli (16:58.562)
No, and she's making shit up. E even Kay said if anybody else was accused of sleeping with a married man, there would be hell to pay. But it's Shamia, so it's okay. And she's right. So th now they go back to their rooms. Shamia gets a text from someone. Apparently it's Ashley, this what's his name? George, George's wife. And she shows Pinky and Kelly.

Wendy (17:09.546)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (17:20.662)
George's wife. Right. Yeah.

Kelli (17:25.044)
And basically it says Angela is lying. And

Wendy (17:25.396)
Right.

Wendy (17:29.376)
Yep, give me a call when you get a chance. Angela's lying. Yeah.

Kelli (17:33.644)
Yeah. So Angela hears them from the other room, goes to the room and she's like, Well, let's talk about it. Now I don't know why in this moment Shamia didn't say look at the text. This is what Ashley's saying, but I I guess she needed everybody there. I I don't know. But they basically shut the door in Angela's face. Just show her the text.

Wendy (17:51.84)
She had to 'cause yeah, she had to though 'cause sh I mean, Angela was like, you know, invading her space.

Kelli (17:57.911)
Yes, she was. So Phaedra and Portia go to wait.

Wendy (18:03.262)
Upstairs 'cause they hear all the yelling.

Kelli (18:05.858)
Yeah. they go to Shamia's room and then then they go see Angela and they tell her to leave it. And Angela's like, no, I'm calling Ashley. So Ashley is on the phone and says, Shamia said, This is like so fucking middle school, try to keep up. Shamia said, you said that I said that she F George. And Angela says, S no sex ever came out of my mouth.

Wendy (18:16.62)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (18:23.468)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (18:34.84)
But she did say it. She did say, did girl, did you fuck George? What she didn't say is that Ashley told her that she F George. But this is some serious middle school shit.

Wendy (18:44.82)
Right, right.

Kelli (18:52.28)
So then Portia says, if you think I'm giving a re in her confessional, if you think I'm giving a reaction to Shamia messing around with George, you're gonna have to use AI. And then and then they do the mouth thing with the AI. And she's like, don't do it. But they already did it. It was so that was really funny. now they're gonna meet up for dinner. Chef Tom is on the phone with Phaedra, and she's hoping that they can get through this dinner, you know, without the

mess that was her last dinner.

Wendy (19:24.204)
Okay, did you see Shamia putting seasoning salt in her ziploc bag to bring to dinner? Lowry seasoning salt?

Kelli (19:30.348)
Yes. Yes I did.

Kelli (19:35.502)
Yes, I did. listen, I don't know what Scottish food's like. Like, isn't it like fish and chips and stuff? Like

Wendy (19:45.047)
That's more Irish. I think it's more like lamb and like s like beef and like stew. I don't know. I've never been to s yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I was just like s seasoning

Kelli (19:53.343)
yeah, 'cause Pinky's like, What the hell am I gonna eat? Yeah.

Kelli (19:59.459)
That was so funny.

So Angela tells Phaedra and Portia in the car that she's happy they're gonna be there to hear her side and she wants the truth to prevail. And Phaedra in her confessionals says without receipts and proof, accusations like this can be very harmful. It seems to me at this point, Phaedra and Portia are kind of reluctant to believe Angela. But I'm I'm telling you, I still think Portia's got a hand in this, but that's just me. That's just me.

Wendy (20:29.568)
I know, but I have to I I honestly thought so too, but the more I'm watching it I feel like Portia's really backing away from the whole thing. I feel like she is and it it could be her acting, but why does Angela have any skin in this game to go after Shemea? There's gotta be something that we don't know. That's what I feel like. There's gotta be something.

Kelli (20:44.32)
I don't know. I mean, listen, well, listen, it's it it's you know, doesn't Ashley goes on Ashley put something in her text like it this is because Angela's doing this because of something you said last season. Listen, Angela, everybody said Charles was a cheater last season. You can't just put that on Shamia. Everybody said it. Everybody was talking about that.

Wendy (21:09.057)
Right.

Kelli (21:11.106)
So you can't just put that on Shamia. So I'm not subscribing to that either. Cynthia says she believes Angela, but she doesn't think Shamia is having sex with an entire football and basketball team and George. Well then you don't then you don't believe Angela exactly. Because that's what Angela's saying. So if you don't think that, then you don't believe Angela.

Wendy (21:23.902)
I agree. That's a lot of sex.

Right. Right.

Wendy (21:33.366)
And why don't you say it? Like why don't they all say it? Why doesn't Phaedra say it? Why doesn't Portia say it? Why doesn't Cynthia say it? Why don't they say it to shut her down? None of say it.

Kelli (21:41.538)
Right. Right. And the next thing is ridiculous that Angela tells Phaedra and Portia that Shemia said to her daughter at the basketball thing, You're way nicer than your mom. Who cares?

Wendy (21:54.669)
Like that Yeah, that's nothing that's harmless. And her daughter's twenty five.

Kelli (21:59.873)
Exactly. Totally harmless. If her if she said it to the younger daughter, I'd be like, all right, leave that little baby girl out of this. But yeah, she's a 25-year-old woman. She can handle herself. If somebody said married woman, if somebody said that to my daughter, she'd be like, fuck off. And maybe that's what Angela's daughter should have done. If it bothered her. I don't think it did bother her though.

Wendy (22:09.27)
Five years old Married. Married woman.

Wendy (22:24.992)
Well, An no, because Angela said when she did ask her about it, like, you don't know what my daughter and I are going through right now. And then they show the scene where she's like having a hard time with okay, so we don't know what you and your daughter are going through, but why are you trying to wreck her marriage? And her career. I mean, seriously. I are we do you do you not see it? Like Angela.

Kelli (22:40.653)
Right.

Right.

Kelli (22:47.564)
Yeah. Yeah. No, absolutely. So they get to the restaurant and the restaurant's called Bonnie Badger, right? I think that was also the drink they had, but the restaurant was called Bonnie Badger. Bonnie is a Sc Scottish word for pretty and Badger is like a skunk. Piggy's like, who came up with that name?

Wendy (22:56.97)
Yes.

Yes. Yeah.

Wendy (23:07.219)
Yeah.

I know, right?

Kelli (23:11.704)
And then she mentions partaking in some THC, so she's she's like, I'm not judging.

Wendy (23:17.462)
I did think by the way we didn't mention this. I thought that their outfits going to dinner. I thought everyone looked really good. I thought I mean they went the Scottish outfits were I mean, some were better than others, but at least they were all dressed. I liked that.

Kelli (23:28.746)
Yeah, for sure. And I liked how they showed them coming down the stairs as they do in Traders when they're coming to the round table. I thought that was very cute. Yeah. So Shamia says she wants to address the Kay comment and she has no smoke with Kay. And Kay says that she talked to Pinky about what happened at the club. She says she left the club in tears. And Shamia apologizes. And Kay appreciates the apology.

Wendy (23:36.488)
Yes, yes. Yes. You're right. Yes, they did.

Kelli (23:58.113)
She says she knows Shamia has a big heart, but she doesn't want Shamia to act like she's doing her a favor by being her friend. And that might be the one thing that Kay has said that has made the most sense since I've met Kay. Like I get it.

Wendy (24:12.33)
Yeah, because she's right. Because she went to the club with her and her mother and Shamia said to her, like everyone is hating on me for being your friend. Like and right. No, she didn't. And Kay's like, I went out I went out to the car and I was crying. Like what what is going on? And it seems to me like again, I don't know a lot about Kay Michelle, but it it seems to me like Kay Michelle is a star.

Kelli (24:24.014)
It's a wild thing to say. And Shamia did not deny saying that.

Wendy (24:41.298)
In the music world, now in the country world. She has been around the block. She dated Idris Elba. I mean, I I mean she doesn't right. Yeah. She doesn't need no, it's fine. She doesn't need Shemia to be her friend and let her feel bad about it. Right?

Kelli (24:43.03)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (24:51.84)
Add that to her IMB Day.

Kelli (24:56.984)
Did I say it right? I always screw that one up.

Kelli (25:05.44)
No, and what's and she has said in the past, and we don't know if this has something to do with another show that she was on because we didn't watch the other shows that she was on, but she has been around a group of women in Atlanta that has made her feel like an outcast. So someone saying that to you when you join a new group of friends on a new TV show, can be triggering, I'm sure. Like, my god, here we go again. Like, what do you mean? Why wouldn't they want me to be your friend?

Wendy (25:21.29)
Right.

Wendy (25:27.169)
Yeah.

Wendy (25:31.765)
Yeah.

So the interesting thing about that whole conversation that they had, because they had that conversation, they were the first ones to arrive at the restaurant and they had it before everyone else got there, right? And then Cynthia comes in and she says that I would like to thank Pinky for being the facilitator of this conversation when they let everybody know that they kinda had the conversation. And now I'm like, wait a second. Now Cynthia is producing? Well, now Cynthia's producing, right? Because I like

Kelli (25:57.24)
Yeah, like why didn't we see that?

Wendy (26:04.768)
And then they sh they show it, they show a flashback where they're sitting there talking about it. And I was like

this. I really I don't like it. I don't like it.

Kelli (26:12.876)
No, I agree. I agree. Yep. I think that Cynthia's role is you know, not n necessarily n necessary. You know what I mean? Like just be there as a friend up, but like you said, like stop producing, but and eat we're gonna see it again, you know. I like to call them the bed cripkeepers again after this dinner.

They're all sitting on the bed. Like, yeah, I think it's there's a lot of there's a lot of produced scenes going on here.

Wendy (26:40.096)
Yeah.

Wendy (26:46.657)
Yeah.

Kelli (26:47.822)
so their meal is going to be a tour of everything Scottish. Pinky's like, great. So what you just said makes a lot of sense if it's a lot of, you know, meat. Yeah. Kay says she and Shamia have a good friendship and they got through what they needed to get through. So hopefully we're you know, listen, you know, people can like or dislike Shamia, but she does need people on her side. So

Wendy (26:55.328)
Yeah.

Wendy (26:59.764)
Yeah. Meat.

Wendy (27:09.313)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (27:17.834)
So it's it's good that she's got Kay. so when they're giving Pinky the props for being the facilitator, she says that her experience on Maury helped her helped her in that role. I thought that was funny.

Wendy (27:28.692)
Yes. Deal with unhealed people, she said. Taught me to deal with unhealed people. I was like, all right.

Kelli (27:33.687)
Yeah.

Kelli (27:37.014)
Yeah. Kelly thanks Phaedra for having her back. And Phaedra says that she's glad that they're seeing that she wants them to be part of a sisterhood. Listen, I

What Phaedra did to Candy on this show, I do still firmly believe that she should never have been asked back. Because like what's going on on the Valley when you make these accusations against people who are in the public eye. And you when do when you make those types of allegations towards anyone, it's damaging. But with that said

I am glad that we're seeing a different side of Phaedra this season. And I do think we are, and I do think we have since the beginning of the season. And I think it's really great that she's helping Kelly. She she has the opportunity to help someone and she's doing it. I I think that's really great. Angela says Kelly's getting sued from the east, the west, the north, and the south. And Phaedra's giving her free counsel. Like she's questioning it. This is

Wendy (28:20.896)
I do I a hundred percent agree with you. I do too. I do too.

Wendy (28:41.654)
Well, because I feel like she's jealous. I feel like she's jealous.

Kelli (28:44.214)
Not only that, I'm t I feel like with the two teams, like Angela probably feels like, well, why's she helping her out? She Shamiya's friend. We're we're on this side. Kelly's on that side.

But I also think that they're trying to recruit Kelly and we'll get to that. So they asked Portia if she could see herself settling down with Sway and she says that she's just in you know, she's enjoying the relationship, but she's paying her own bills now.

Wendy (29:03.594)
Wendy (29:13.942)
Did you see it was just Porsche's birthday and Sway gave put up two billboards for her? One for her yeah, one for her birthday and one for go naked hair. And Porsche's modeling in front of the billboards and Sway is there. And then I did s I think the BET awards were last night, which I did not see anything, but I wanna go look at the fashion because I know that Porsche was there. I definitely love I love looking. I wanna go back and look at the fashion, but

Kelli (29:19.852)
I did not.

Kelli (29:42.22)
What does sway do for a living? Do we know?

Wendy (29:44.735)
So this is what Sway does because well I didn't know and then all of a sudden I started seeing on Instagram like commercials with Sway in them. And it seems like she has a bunch of like boutique salons. You know how like you rent a space for a salon and there's like like Joe and Melissa have one? It seems like she has a bunch of those. Like she was doing an ad, I don't remember what it was called, but

Kelli (30:09.005)
Okay.

Wendy (30:13.688)
she seems like she is a very savvy business person and she's got a head on her shoulders for business. And I think I even saw someplace that she Portia was saying how she's helped her. I mean, Portia's been in business for a long time. She's had many different businesses. She's had the sheets, she's had the hair. Porsche's done a c done a couple different things. So to be

Kelli (30:17.677)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (30:36.79)
partnered up with somebody like Sway who I think that they're a good couple. I and even when I see them together, when I see them photographed together, I really think that they are a good and also you know who else was in that picture? Pilar was in that picture. So it was Portia, uh-huh, and Pilar like she looks adorable, but she looked like a deer in the headlights with her eyes like like what am I doing in this picture? But remember Portia said that like Pilar wasn't meeting anybody.

Kelli (30:50.79)
well that's good.

Kelli (31:04.62)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (31:05.91)
She said that this season. So the fact that Pilar's in that picture says to me that was just taken this you know, very recently that, you know, Sway is her person and you know, she's been introduced

Kelli (31:17.304)
Well, I'm glad to hear that because there is a lot of a lot of people on social media basically saying that sway is what Porsche for the clout. So I'm glad well na now that I know they're still together and she's met Pilar, that that makes me feel a little bit better. I'm telling you, if I was one of these housewives and I wasn't married, I wouldn't be able to date anybody because I would think they were all

Wendy (31:28.34)
I don't think so. I I I don't I don't see it. Yeah, I don't see it.

Kelli (31:43.34)
with me for the clout, especially, you know, after watching Vicky Gumbleson with that, you know, douchebag Brooks. Like you know, I would be so skeptical of anyone. But

Wendy (31:48.523)
God, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wendy (31:54.817)
Yeah. I think Sway has her own money. I think she makes her own bank. I think she's very successful in her own right. And I think she, from what I can see, is and somebody else said that too. One of the other housewives, it might have even been Shemia said that Sway treats her ver like treats her like a queen. And that's what Portia wants. Like that's what Portia wants. I mean, listen, I want that too, to be quite honest with you. I would be treated like a queen.

Kelli (32:20.184)
Yeah, but the the yeah, I mean I just think like but Portia is she'll go out and make her own money though. Like she wants to be treated like and we'll get into that more when we cover Rhode Island 'cause I this second part of the reunion I was like with one of the particular housewives. I'm like, my god, you gotta be kidding me. But that's another episode. Yeah.

Wendy (32:27.456)
absolutely.

Wendy (32:32.084)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (32:41.078)
We'll get there. Yeah, no, we'll get there. No. I know Porsche's very capable of taking care of herself, but and that's fine. Yeah. Yes.

Kelli (32:46.53)
Yes, exactly. And she's smart. She's very smart. She thinks we're dumb the way she lies and acts, but she's very smart. Pinky says she was in a relationship with a woman before and they were together for almost three years. Why do they all keep talking about the woman in the basement? They're like, That's the woman in the basement. What is this story about listeners, please, if you know anything, who's our friends?

Wendy (33:02.4)
Mm.

Wendy (33:06.104)
my god.

Kelli (33:14.218)
Everyone just calm down. If you the podcast, if you know about the woman in the basement, will you please enlighten us? Because I have no idea what they're talking about. We don't know. We don't know about the woman in the basement. Ralph's definitely in the basement.

Wendy (33:16.202)
Yes. What is going on? Yes.

Wendy (33:23.104)
We don't know. We don't know. I don't know. Cause Ralph is in the basement. Pinky's got a woman in the basement. Right. Well, right. And I think Cynthia said we like Cynthia said it, all right, we already got Ralph in the basement. Now we're gonna get the woman out of the basement. Like we gotta go check out all these basements. Listen, I'm in the basement right now and I'm here by myself. Just so you guys know. I'm in the basement alone. Case you're wondering.

Kelli (33:31.711)
Well not anymore.

Kelli (33:37.558)
Yeah.

Kelli (33:44.621)
Yes. That's right. That's right. But she is allowed upstairs. So Cynthia asks if everyone at the table has been with a woman. And then we learn, and you know, I we we've we've talked about this and I stand by this. Drew says that she and Ralph had a threesome because that's something Ralph wanted to do. She didn't want it.

Wendy (33:52.627)
I am.

Kelli (34:14.008)
But she, you know, wanted to do what her husband wanted. Yeah. and then Cynthia says she kissed someone, and then we find out it was Portia. Portia says she's way past fluid and she is gay, gay. Kay says she's been with a woman. That was really funny. Kay says she's been with a woman, which we knew but this went beyond just

Wendy (34:18.176)
Make him happy. Right.

Wendy (34:32.396)
That was so funny. That was so fun.

Kelli (34:41.602)
Hooking up on Christmas. This was not just a holiday thing. Cause she was in a full on relationship and then her partner hooked up with her hairdresser. But did you catch before she said that part? She said something about a car and s I think something got physical with her and this woman. And then she went right into and she hooked up with my partner and my hairdresser.

Wendy (34:52.084)
I was confused. I was confused.

Wendy (35:03.295)
My hairdresser, yeah.

Kelli (35:05.878)
Yeah, they kinda like glazed over 'cause I could switch

Wendy (35:09.058)
yeah, no no, she said she said, Okay, k I thought at the time I was gonna be full out gay. I moved to Atlanta and then she hopped on top of my brand new car.

Kelli (35:20.355)
Yeah.

Wendy (35:21.974)
Well who who hopped wait. Is that is that like it is that like a euphemism for something? Like or did she mean that she literally dropped No,

Kelli (35:30.976)
I don't know, but Kelly, I just feel like you never know. You never know.

Wendy (35:38.165)
No, this was Kay. This was Kay that said this. Yeah, yeah. This was Kay. And I'm like, wait, is she talking about her girlfriend that was with her hairdresser, or was there really a brand new car that the girlfriend chopped on? Or is there something else? I don't know. I really don't know. I don't know.

Kelli (35:40.088)
K I'm sorry, that's what I meant. K.

Kelli (35:54.413)
I know. Like you don't you just don't know. You don't know. But then Kelly says she encountered a woman with her husband, but she realized how jealous she was. So Drew says, Did the threesome damage your marriage? And basically they both admit that it changed things in their marriage. I have yet to come across a married couple who have

Wendy (36:03.594)
Right.

Wendy (36:16.725)
Yeah.

Kelli (36:23.934)
indulged in a threesome, and their marriage has sustained afterwards.

Wendy (36:30.762)
I agree with you. I agree with you. I agree.

Kelli (36:31.2)
It's it's not it's don't do it. Just don't do it. And if that's what your husband's asking for and you don't want it, if you're both in agreement, then that's one thing. But if you're even the little bit ha I agree, I agree, I agree, I just think that it's it's a recipe for disaster. so Phaedra, Shemia, and Angela say they have not been with a woman.

Wendy (36:42.316)
Є, батів стіл.

Wendy (36:51.724)
I do too.

Kelli (37:00.984)
But why did I think Shemia had? I mean it's none of my damn business, but

Wendy (37:04.502)
Well, Shamia said she never she said she did kiss a girl. Shamia said she did kiss a girl, but it wasn't open mouth. And then they asked her about candy.

Drew said, Portia, didn't you say Shamia did kiss a girl and it was candy? And she said, I did kiss a girl, but it wasn't candy.

And I was just and then Shamia and Cynthia both admitted that they liked to watch lesbian porn. Okay. Thank you for sharing.

Kelli (37:31.789)
Right. Yeah. We got all we got all into that conversation. Pikki says Angela and she and Drew were on the car ride earlier talking about the breakdown in Angela and Shamia's friendship and she thinks it's just miscommunication. Angela brings up Shamia making a comment to her daughter, you're nicer than your mom. And Shamia says she did think it was appropriate because she does think that she's nicer than her mom.

Wendy (37:36.554)
Ha ha ha.

Wendy (38:00.726)
But she did apologize, she also yeah.

Kelli (38:01.227)
I just she did. She did because Angela says we're going through something right now. And Drew in her confessional says that she thinks when Shamia's talking to anyone, it's really her talking to Portia. I don't ag I don't personally agree with that, but maybe. I don't you know. But yeah, Shamia apologizes. So okay. Angela says, You talked about my husband cheating.

Wendy (38:05.13)
I agree.

Wendy (38:18.08)
She did say that.

Kelli (38:29.76)
So did everybody else, Angela. And Shamia says, You said I slept with George. And Shamia asks Pinky to read the text message from Ashley. And Pinky reads the messages and Portia says, I need the audio book.

Wendy (38:32.437)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (38:47.232)
I need the full audio book. I mean she was kind enough to narrate, but I need the full audio book.

Kelli (38:48.93)
I need the full audio book.

Angela says I called Ashley and she said you said that I said that you F George.

You did. she said yeah, she's saying Angela's saying I never said that Ashley said it.

Wendy (39:06.518)
You did say that.

Kelli (39:14.466)
Phaedra says that Angela Oakley's allegations are pure baloney. She me

Wendy (39:19.21)
That's what she said. And at this point, Porsche's like, They're gonna kick us out of this restaurant. Like, we gotta we gotta like bring it down a notch. We don't wanna ruin Phaedra's birthday.

Kelli (39:24.824)
Yeah.

Kelli (39:31.392)
And Shamia says Angela was lying about Phaedra last season and now I'm like questioning everything.

And Kelly says everyone's doing someone else's dirty work. And I think Kelly and I are right here with that.

Wendy (39:49.388)
Probably 'cause you're both the Kelly with the eye. You're on the same wavelength.

Kelli (39:51.637)
Exactly. That's right. That's right. We see each other. So Fainter says kids are off limits and Pinky says and so are marriages. But I don't think that that landed.

Wendy (39:58.09)
Ha ha

Wendy (40:06.0)
No, because that's all they do is go after marriages.

Kelli (40:07.086)
Everybody kind of ignored Pinky's request to s to lay off the marriages. But I will say this Shamia won that round hands down.

Wendy (40:12.268)
Mm.

Kelli (40:21.038)
Shamia won that that dinner. now they're back in their pajamas, the bed cripkeepers are all together. Cynthia, Phaedra, Portia, Drew, and Angela. And they see the headlines that Kelly's ex is suing her for two hundred million. And Kelly comes in the room and starts to cry.

Wendy (40:21.1)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (40:38.74)
No, she's selling she's suing Bravo. No, no, he's suing Bravo. Lawsuit against Bravo over com no no. He files a lawsuit against Bravo about comments made about him on Real Housewives of Atlanta. Kelly don't have two hundred million. He's suing Bravo.

Kelli (40:44.652)
I thought you were similar.

Kelli (40:54.766)
okay. I th well that that's why I thought that's why I thought Cynthia was like, You ain't getting that. Like

Wendy (41:03.456)
Y yeah, no, no, no. I mean he's n he's not getting it anyway, but he no, he's suing Bravo. Yeah.

Kelli (41:07.414)
Right. So, she says she stayed quiet and wanted to keep the peace to protect her girls. you know, she goes through the whole thing. She's crying. And then she and Portia kinda have a moment and she says, you know, they both kinda say they don't want to fight anymore and they can learn from each other and I think they're trying to recruit Kelly to come over to their side.

Wendy (41:18.538)
And she's crying at this point. She starts crying like yeah.

Wendy (41:34.359)
See, and I think so funny you and I are so opposite. I think that Portia's finally like being kind to Kelly, and I think I think that sh because I mean, does she think she's gonna take her away from Shamia? Is that what you think? I mean, she's not gonna take her away from Shamia. Because she even says to Kelly, I'm glad you have Shemia. Even though even though she's not getting along with Shamia. No!

Kelli (41:41.6)
I hope so. I hope so.

Kelli (41:55.875)
I mean, isn't that a weird thing to say though? Isn't that kind of a weird thing to say?

Wendy (41:59.977)
Not if it's n not if you're being genuine. Why are you and I so opposite? You always see the evil in people.

Kelli (42:04.684)
Well, I just feel I there are certain people on Bravo that I have a hard time f seeing them in a way where they're being genuine and Portia just happens to be one of them. It's not as severe as Teresa, but it's it's up there. Like I don't think Porsche's a very genuine person. I think Portia can be very cunning.

Wendy (42:19.178)
Yeah, but my gosh. But but that's my point. Like that's like

That's why I think it's real. I don't like I think it's real I because why else would she say that? Like listen, she's like, I know you and I, like I feel like, you know, she can empathize. She's been through these, you know, she's has issues. She's been through this. I mean, this isn't her first divorce. I mean, she was with what's his face, and he was a big D bag. And Dennis and her have this weird relationship, but he's the father of Pilar. And Kelly's going through it. Like she's going through it.

Kelli (42:32.438)
Okay, let's hope so.

Kelli (42:56.024)
Simon got deported.

Wendy (42:58.238)
Simon got deported. She got the house, so good for her, right? I the fact that she said I love that Shamia is there for her. Like I think that that is genuine because listen, everyone needs a friend. Everyone needs a friend.

Kelli (43:03.608)
Yeah, and I mean

Kelli (43:12.856)
Sure. Well, Kelly says hurt people hurt people and she's hoping for a clean start. And then Drew starts to cry because she doesn't know where she's gonna live if she loses the house, which I think she did, right? Didn't she have to leave the house?

Wendy (43:25.558)
Well, I mean the judge did order her to leave the house, but I don't quite understand it to be quite honest with you.

Kelli (43:34.903)
I don't know.

Wendy (43:35.124)
Unless he paid for the house because it came out like in in the f because I think they are finally divorced, it came out that one she was making more money than he was, like what he reported was totally bullshit.

Kelli (43:47.542)
Mm-hmm. That's what I'm saying.

Wendy (43:48.929)
So why does he get to keep the house? She had to pay him she had to pay him child support. She didn't have to pay him spousal support, but sh I don't know. I something's not

Kelli (43:54.435)
Something I don't know she probably could've used Sphere too because something is awry here.

Wendy (44:03.123)
I totally agree.

Kelli (44:05.218)
But they all wind up kumbaying. Cynthia says she is not who she was five years ago and you just keep doing the work. And then Portia tells everyone to go to their rooms and masturbate.

And scene. And that's how we end it. So next week we're still in Scotland.

Wendy (44:21.226)
That's how we end it. Yes. And it comes up, this is what I'm I I I'm I'm looking forward to, but I'm kinda dreading it at the same time when Portia and Shemea bring up the moms.

Kelli (44:32.758)
I know. I I totally agree with you because just like kids, moms for sure should be off limits. And it's difficult though with them because they really do have a friendship. They really have been friends since middle school. Their mothers really were friends. Right. Right. There's a lot.

Wendy (44:44.822)
They they had a friendship. Were friends? Yeah. There's a lot going on there. Can you imagine if your mom and my mom were feuding? Like how awkward? How awkward would that be, right?

Kelli (44:54.966)
No, it that would be horrible. Horrible. And it sounds like it happened when they were younger, like way before this show. So like

Wendy (45:05.451)
I don't think the feud happened then. No. I don't think I I'm not getting that impression. I'm getting the impression that the feud happened.

not before the show because it had to do with from yeah, so what I can recall is the feud had to do with daycare centers. Portia's mom had a daycare center and Shamia's mom had a daycare center. Shamia's mom lost her daycare center and Portia's mom bought it. And I think that was because Portia had the money from the show, and it may have been before Shamia had all her money from Gerald's. It I and I don't

Kelli (45:16.246)
Really?

Kelli (45:35.062)
Mm.

Kelli (45:39.298)
Right, right.

Wendy (45:42.007)
Could be wrong. This is just what I think happened. This is what I think happened. I don't know though. But based on based on what based on what I see your mom posts on Facebook and my mom does not post anything on Facebook, your mom would kick my mom's ass if they were in a fight.

Kelli (45:45.389)
Right.

Kelli (45:49.706)
I don't know. We're gonna find out.

Kelli (46:04.142)
Bye Ma.

Wendy (46:08.028)
And I love your mom. I love Rosie. I love my mom too.

Kelli (46:09.856)
I I know, I know you do. I know. I'm just gonna tell you this and I'm not you know what I'm not even gonna say I'm gonna tell you off camera. My mom is is she's she's on one when she's on social media. She is on one. For sure.

Wendy (46:19.444)
All tell me of care.

Wendy (46:24.044)
Ha ha ha ha.

But listen, I'm gonna say this because I know she listens to us. I think I mean our your cousin, cousin Gina's probably on one too, because I won't follow her on social media. Cause I think that she's also on one.

Kelli (46:41.484)
The interesting thing about that is that it's always about politics and they are on opposite ends.

Wendy (46:48.416)
I know I know, I know, I know, I know. I know.

Kelli (46:52.012)
So and I don't post shit about pot like I don't want to talk to anybody about politic I don't want anybody to know anything we don't talk about it. We don't talk about it. I don't talk about politics with my own husband. I don't know who he voted for. We don't talk about it.

Wendy (46:55.678)
I know. I know. We don't we don't we don't right. Right. We don't talk about it. We don't post it. We don't talk about it. And I think it's so funny. No, I listen. It's probably best that way. Everyone, don't talk about politics, even if it's with your spouse. It's really, it's just it's no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would like to see cousin

Kelli (47:11.7)
Exactly. Don't talk about it. Right. Just do what you're gonna do and don't talk about it. Please. Crazy.

Wendy (47:23.058)
I would like to see cousin Gina's pictures from Italy 'cause she got back from Italy and she said she posted them on Facebook. And I was like, I'm not friends with you on Facebook, cousin Gina. I can't look at them. Or that you'll have to show me next time I see you. I mean, we could do it later 'cause we're neighbors.

Kelli (47:29.176)
Beautiful. Yeah. They're beautiful. The the trip she had was amazing. She took Sage, like they're yeah, for sure. Yeah.

Yes, true.

Kelli (47:47.182)
Well, thank you for listening and watching. And please follow, like five star reviews, and please comment and engage because we really love that. And we don't care if you don't agree with us, that's totally fine. Right. Bye.

Wendy (47:59.52)
We do. You don't have to agree with us. It's fine.

Bye.