The Valley-Birthday Boat Blowups: Danny's Worst Celebration Yet

Wendy (00:00.72)
Hi. my god. I just blanked.

Kelli (00:11.352)
See what happens when none of us are wearing a Wee Wine Whenever shirt? We forget what we're doing.

Wendy (00:13.984)
Hi. Welcome to We Wind Whenever. I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:20.654)
I'm Callie, I think.

Wendy (00:23.794)
Yep, we are talking about the Valley season three, episode fifteen. It's my birthday and I'll cry if I want to. But before we get into this, I would like to do our call to action. Please head over to YouTube and subscribe and follow us on Facebook, TikTok, Instagram, and give us five star reviews and comment and let us know what your thoughts are.

Kelli (00:48.11)
Thank you.

Wendy (00:49.546)
Thank you. So it's my birthday, I'll cry if I want to. This is getting so exhausting. Episode fifteen. I I was like, I my gosh, this has gotta be the last episode, but it's not. We still have to see.

Kelli (01:02.764)
It's literally fifteen episodes of them try and of them coming at Danny. Same thing over and over again.

Wendy (01:05.908)
The same thing. All exactly. I cannot believe we spent fifteen episodes going after Danny. It's exhausting.

Kelli (01:14.614)
And I'm gonna be honest with you, in the beginning of the you and I have maintained how we feel about this situation this whole season. On social media in the beginning of the season, we were definitely in the minority where people were still like, Danny has to be accountable, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I have seen such a 180 on social media with how people everybody is like, enough. Enough. I find that

Wendy (01:22.336)
Mm.

Wendy (01:43.743)
I know.

Kelli (01:43.746)
Very interesting. How boring is this reunion gonna be, by the way? That the whole season this is what it was about. This reunion is gonna suck.

Wendy (01:46.206)
I do too.

Wendy (01:54.515)
It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. It really is ridiculous.

So we start off the day. This is Danny's birthday day. So the next morning, cause Zach's party was the night before, and he has, you know, the stitches in his head. Of course he's on the you know, he's got the worst headache of his life. One, because he's hung over, and two, because he he hit the sign. His head hit the sign. Yeah. I thought it was funny when he said I didn't go on a GLP one just to be fat for my birthday because his face was all fat. It's like you're so funny.

Kelli (02:02.626)
Totally agree.

Kelli (02:20.024)
Hit his head. Yeah.

Kelli (02:31.874)
That was funny.

Wendy (02:32.382)
I'm I like Zach. I know there's a lot of people out there that don't even like Zach. I mean, how can you not like Zach? I I just think he's

Kelli (02:39.32)
Feel like he I feel like if you even if you didn't like him before, like I just feel like he's having a great season. He's he's like a breath of fresh air when he's on on the you know, in the scene. It it's it's better than Janice. And her robotic the way well, whatever.

Wendy (02:46.846)
I do too.

Wendy (02:54.366)
I think so too.

Wendy (02:58.195)
my gosh, it sure is. It sure is.

Yeah.

So the next morning we see Brittany and she's woke up and she's like, my gosh, I didn't sleep in my compression stuff and Janice like, Well we tried to get it on you. Like we did our best. The best we could do was get your bra on. It's because you were so trashed. You were so trashed.

Kelli (03:18.424)
That's right. And listen, she says that she you know, she needs to rest, she needs a day. You're hungover. Say you're hungover. Are you afraid to say you're hungover? Because, you know, like on the after show, I don't know if you watched it, but she said that she doesn't like being compared to Danny because

Wendy (03:30.304)
Right. Right.

Kelli (03:42.485)
It's gives her PTSD from the first season when Jack's called her out for being drunk that day when they whatever, who gives a shit? You are a sloppy drunk and you were hung over. So just say it. And your friends are covering up for you.

Wendy (04:02.11)
Yeah. Because not for nothing. I mean, Zach was hungover, Jasmine was hungover, we Schwartz was hung over. They were all hung over. Everyone who drank was hung over.

Kelli (04:10.157)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (04:16.37)
Absolutely. And listen, it probably wasn't the best thing for Brittany post surgery to be on a boat. But that's not why she wasn't going. Because I feel like if she weren't hung over, she would have gone.

Wendy (04:25.024)
No, no. No.

Wendy (04:32.2)
No. And I mean not for nothing because, you know, Janet didn't go and La La stayed back to be with Janet. So Brittany could have used that excuse too if she wanted to, but she didn't. Like she didn't get out of bed. She didn't go to the pool.

Kelli (04:43.043)
Yeah.

Right, right. And now we know why Lalo stayed back to have that conversation with Janet. I don't even want to comment on that conversation, but we'll get there.

Wendy (04:47.465)
Right.

Wendy (04:57.344)
so we also find out that not only is it Danny's birthday, but it's also Danny and Nia's tenth anniversary, which I thought, well that's really nice. Like that's an accomplishment, especially in this world that they're living in, right? Yes, yes.

Kelli (05:10.648)
Huge accomplishment with all those little kids. Yeah. Yep. Living where they live, being in the industry that they're in, having all those kids, yes, it's an accomplishment.

Wendy (05:21.736)
Right. And even Janet in the morning not Janet, Janet is talking to Michelle and Michelle's like, I am so tired. Like, did you see me on the bar stool? Look yes, Michelle, we all saw you on the bar stool and it did look like you were having a great time, but good for you.

Kelli (05:32.165)
Ha ha ha.

She did. I li I like seeing Michelle like that.

Wendy (05:38.332)
I do too. I like see them ha I like seeing them all have a good time. I do.

Kelli (05:42.681)
The thing is that this group obviously drinks together a lot. So if you're uncomfortable being around Danny when he drinks, don't go out drinking with him. You guys continually go out drinking with this man. Don't. Just don't.

Wendy (05:59.007)
Exactly, exactly. So Danny's theme for his party was Miami Vice and they get this really cool catamaran. and Danny kinda called it. The group didn't with the exception of Jesse, nobody knew what Miami Vice was. I mean Jesse nailed it with his outfit.

Kelli (06:18.072)
Jesse nailed it. I mean, I don't know if I would have worn velvet shoes on on a boat, but he nailed it. that's right. That's right. That's right. They weren't on the boat. Okay, that's right. Which also wasn't a great idea, but at least it wasn't on the boat.

Wendy (06:24.434)
No, he wore them that night, the velvet shoes. He wore them that night. Those on the beach. He wore those on the beach. No. Yeah. Danny was

Kelli (06:38.124)
I liked when Janet says it's the best gift she can give Danny by not going to his birthday, and I thought, It's really the best gift you can give us, Janet. So thank you.

Wendy (06:45.822)
Yes, so true. So true.

It really is. so then Zach is talking to Jasmine about what Janet texted Brittany and he said that he wanted to know what Janet said and Zach wants to talk to Kristen, but like they're not gonna talk about it on the boat, which I agree that was not the place to do it.

so then Janet is with Lala.

And you know, she starts telling her about her trauma that happened, you know, when she was in in school and what happened to her. And listen, my heart goes out to her. It does. It does. But for you to carry that and to put that on somebody else and not think that it's a problem, and for you, La La to co-sign that.

I call BS because you've had it so hard, Lala. You've said this many times, because you picked the wrong man who was a horrible person. And you know, right. Yep. Yes. Right. Right. And listen, don't come for this man like this because you're triggered, then you avoid it. You avoid him.

Kelli (07:56.311)
Mm. Mm hmm. While he was married with children, you were screwing him. La la. Not Janet, obviously.

Kelli (08:15.17)
The thing is is that I don't I don't wanna comment too much on what Janet was talking about.

Because I wasn't there and I don't know what happened. But two things. As as the mother of a son, it has always frightened me that anybody can say anything about anyone. Anyone can accuse and and I'm not saying this because I don't believe Janet. That's not why I'm saying this. But as the mother of a son, it has always frightened me that a girl can accuse my son of anything, really.

Wendy (08:24.99)
No, I agree.

Kelli (08:52.098)
So I feel bad for her that, you know, she didn't do something about it when it happened. Maybe she didn't realize. I know she said she didn't. So again, I don't I'm yeah, I'm not I'm not taking any of that away from her. However

Wendy (09:01.418)
She said she didn't. Right, right.

Kelli (09:09.09)
Da what Danny did two, three years ago to Jasmine and Melissa was not sexual assault. Jasmine has said it was not sexual assault. Now, so we're not comparing Danny to this guy who did this to Janet because it's it's an it's apples and oranges. However, if she had said last season

Wendy (09:31.998)
Right.

Kelli (09:36.811)
Or whenever that was, when she was in the pantry with Danny, if she said this back then, this would be so different. But she didn't. She didn't. She made it about his drinking. She made feeling uncomfortable in that pantry about his drinking. Personally, I feel that it is now convenient for her to say that she felt uncomfortable now because of what happened to her when she was younger. And again, I

Wendy (09:44.915)
Right.

Kelli (10:05.578)
I am not saying I don't believe her. I do. And I feel terrible that that had happened to her. I do, however, think that she's using that now because it's convenient.

Wendy (10:18.164)
Listen, I w we've said this. I mean, listen, if you do, you do, because I mean w we all agree that what happened to Janet back then was horrible and that was that

Kelli (10:20.63)
I hope I don't get a lot of backlash for that.

Kelli (10:31.854)
Horrible, horrible. And actually, I have a friend that that actually happened to. So when she was telling the story, I sympathized with her very much so. Because I think that that happens more than you know.

Wendy (10:43.732)
Yes, and it's a it honestly

I hundred percent agree with that. I do think it happens more than we know 'cause people are afraid to report it because it's gonna be their word against somebody else's and they feel shame and they feel embarrassment and none of that should be, but that's the reality of what what the situation is, right?

Kelli (10:54.432)
And

Kelli (11:00.534)
And you do leave the situation thinking like wait, did like I I don't I don't even know what just hap like I don't know what just happened because you didn't have the strength to stop it, but that doesn't mean that you were consenting. So yeah, see I could I could really g choke up thinking about it 'cause that's horrible that that happened to her. Yes. Yes.

Wendy (11:18.6)
I know, no I know. It's horrible. It's absolutely horrible. It's horrible. But what really bothers me about this whole situation that one particularly with Lala involved in it and Britney and Janet and those three together riding so hard is what we've said about Jax for all these years. Brittany and Jax and Lala have been together for ten years.

Kelli (11:44.354)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (11:44.715)
They've been together for t more than 10 years, to be quite honest with you. They've known each other. And they were covering for Jax all those years. And even in the after show, Brittany admitted that when she saw Nia, she said, you know, I I I I probably would have done that for Jax. So again, right. So where was Lala for you then?

Kelli (12:05.036)
Right. She did do it for Jax. She did do it for Jax.

Wendy (12:12.51)
Where was Janet for you then?

Kelli (12:15.19)
Right. Right.

Wendy (12:16.71)
And like this is not Danny coming after Janet. This was an incident that happened right. This is an incident that happened three years ago with Jasmine and then a year ago or in the closet that we didn't know any well, I mean we knew the incident happened in the closet, but we didn't know how she why she felt that way about it.

Kelli (12:24.972)
No. He's avoiding her like the plague. He's

Kelli (12:44.494)
But she made it about his drinking. She made it about him going in and swigging tequila. That's what she made it about when it happened.

Wendy (12:47.187)
She did.

Wendy (12:50.901)
Yes.

Kelli (12:55.402)
It listen, she didn't even have to come out and tell the story a year ago. All she could have said was that made me feel uncomfortable because of something that's happened in my past, it was triggering for me. She could have even just said that, but she didn't. She made it all about his drinking.

Wendy (13:15.764)
Right. Right. Yeah. I know.

Kelli (13:20.824)
But that like that's why I d like I don't want to take away from her story though. I d I don't because that's horrible. Horrible.

Wendy (13:27.847)
No, I don't either. I don't either.

Wendy (13:34.302)
You know, she's like I wanted to have this conversation a coup Janice says this to Lala, I wanna have I wanted to have this conversation a couple of times with Jasmine, but I didn't want to make this about me.

Right.

Kelli (13:49.451)
Again, so when they were sitting at that table and she was telling Nia she knows what it's like to be with an addict, that would have been an opportunity for her to address Jasmine because you were 100% making it about you at that table already. So that would have been the opportunity to maybe not share the, you know, maybe she's just that comfortable with Lala. Well, I mean, she was on national television, so she was telling everybody, but you know.

having that conversation on camera with Lala, but you could have said something. You could have said something. And you probably wouldn't have come out as the villain that you are right now. It's like it's like i it's been so much now though. That's why I just feel like it's just a matter of convenience.

Wendy (14:37.312)
I agree. So then on the boat, you know, Tom was so sick. He's like laying on the ground in the back of the boat, and Michelle and Lacey are a little bit seasick. so they're in the back of the boat. And I Mish Yeah, I did. I did. I did. He's just so damn tall is the problem. I mean he's tall. He's so tall.

Kelli (14:50.392)
Did you see Zack almost hit his head again?

He is so tall. He's so tall.

Wendy (15:02.954)
So Michelle sits down next to Lacey and she's like, like, I don't even know how to say this, but it's hard for me to talk, you know, to talk to you like something about that. I'm dealing with my own internal stuff. I so loved that Michelle had this conversation with Lacey. I thought it was such a mature thing to do. I thought she was so vulnerable. And I I said this the other day when we saw it was coming. I was like, Lacey's gonna get it. Lacey's gonna get it.

Kelli (15:29.038)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (15:30.451)
And I've seen like a totally different Michelle this year. I really have. I mean, you know, the first year we saw her, her and Jesse were in the midst of the divorce, like not exactly, but they were, like they weren't really together. The next year she was with Aaron. And now we see her on her own and she's lost Aaron. She's lost her mom. She's, you know, doing it on her own and being vulnerable. And I I applaud her.

Kelli (15:35.372)
Yes.

Kelli (15:57.977)
Yeah. Meet her, meet up.

Wendy (15:59.689)
I applaud her. I do. And I do I also like that, you know, she is still trying to be friends with Janet, but she's not pushing it as hard as La La and Brittany.

Kelli (16:13.234)
No, and we see at the end, like she she basically says, like, just apologize. That's what he wants, just apologize. You know, I know we'll get there, but it's like so at least Michelle, even after Michelle had that conversation with him, y you know, well we'll get there. But yes, I agree.

Wendy (16:23.592)
Yeah, no, you're right though.

Wendy (16:32.154)
so you know, sh she's explaining to Lacey that, you know, it's hard like it's hard for me to see you and Jesse, you know, how he treats you. He's so he's so loving towards you and he's so, you know, kind and affectionate. And I begged him for that for years and he just he just didn't do that for me. And she's like, you know, there was a time when I I really loved him and I

I'm happy for you. It's not that I want him back. It's not that I have feelings for him. It just it it's she goes, it's me. It's internally. Like it just hurts me to see that. And you could see the expression on like they they were both wearing glasses. I wrote this down. Like Lacey has glasses on. Like you could see in her expression on her face that she is a hundred percent healing, feeling that. And then all of a sudden she like.

Kelli (17:03.758)
Yeah, it's got nothing to do with her feelings for him. Yeah.

Wendy (17:27.412)
reached under and like I didn't know she was crying, but then she I mean I f I saw it in her expression and I was like, she was and I love that she did that. And I love that when, you know, she got off the boat that Lacey spoke to Jesse. And, you know, he was

Kelli (17:32.846)
Yeah.

Kelli (17:42.924)
Yeah. He was a little snarky at first, I feel like.

Wendy (17:46.856)
He was, he absolutely was. He was.

Kelli (17:49.207)
Yeah. But she put him right in his place. I mean he's very salty about the Aaron thing. You know, I think he really does believe that she was dating Aaron before they got separated or Aaron had something to do with it. But obviously their marriage was not that it was on the rocks.

Wendy (17:53.3)
Yeah.

Wendy (18:08.36)
It was on the rocks and I think that I think because of who he is, he was salty about the situation. Like he didn't think that she would ever leave him. And then she had the courage to finally do it. And I think he was just like surprised. I think his ego was hurt. I think his ego was hurt. But like I said, I I think that Lacey's the best thing that's happened to him. I really do. 'Cause I think that she is very good for him. I do.

Kelli (18:28.173)
Yeah.

Kelli (18:36.002)
Yeah. I mean, did you see on the after show when Michelle was like my problem with Lacey is that, you know, we have these moments and then in press she says something else.

Wendy (18:49.167)
I didn't watch the whole after after show.

Kelli (18:49.568)
I didn't watch Jesse and Lacey on Watch What Happens Live yet. I still will watch it. Did you watch that? I didn't either. I would I would like to watch it though, 'cause I I just think that they really have a great dynamic. But I thought that was interesting that Michelle said that in the after show. And I believe her. I don't think she's lying, but you know, everything can be taken out of context.

Wendy (18:55.326)
Yeah, I didn't s I did not see it yet, no.

Wendy (19:09.161)
Yeah.

Wendy (19:12.936)
No, that's very true, especially in the media today. so they're done with this really deep conversation that Schwartz is sleeping on the floor right there in front of them.

Kelli (19:25.646)
The worst thing you could do with a hangover is go on a boat.

Wendy (19:31.434)
Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. So they get to the beach. I know he should have. They get to the beach and there's this beautiful food setup there.

Kelli (19:34.766)
I don't know what he was thinking. He should have stayed back.

Kelli (19:48.569)
Danny got Nia the Infinity Ring for their ten year anniversary. W the one she wanted ten years ago and couldn't get it, and he remembered and went back and got it. What an asshole.

Wendy (19:59.923)
I know, right? Like it's so thoughtful. It's so thoughtful.

Kelli (20:03.202)
He's the worst. I'm sure if Lala heard that she'd have something to say about it.

Wendy (20:09.13)
She sure would.

Wendy (20:13.584)
but then when Jesse asks Kristen if she could go for a walk with him and he tells her what Luke said, I was like, Jesse

Kelli (20:32.93)
I know. I mean, I know it's a reality TV show. I know you have to move story along. We we should actually be grateful because it's the one scene we're not talking about Danny drinking. But it was definitely messy.

Wendy (20:45.546)
This is true.

Wendy (20:49.266)
It was messy and I felt bad for Kristen. I felt really bad for Kristen. And then, you know, when she gets back on the boat and she tries to talk to Luke about it, you know, obviously it didn't go well. You know, Luke was a little defensive and you know Yeah. And she's right. Sh she's right. Right?

Kelli (21:08.162)
Lacey told Jesse it wasn't cool what he did.

Kelli (21:13.646)
She is right.

Kelli (21:17.528)
Yeah.

Wendy (21:20.052)
You know, Kristen's trying to make like her point, you know, that I'm giving you everything I can. And listen, Luke is just trying to say, and he's been saying this the whole time, I get it, but you need to give me credit too. This is all new for me too. I'm not in my element. LA is not where I'm from from. Like this is not I I'm doing the best I can do. Like you you gotta give me credit too.

Kelli (21:32.952)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (21:46.793)
And I

Kelli (21:46.915)
Listen, I when she said, you know, d you know, do you do you not want to get married or whatever, she asked him and he's like, I eventually want to get married, but if you were to ask me tomorrow, I'd say we weren't ready. Like there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with that. That's actually smart and mature.

Wendy (21:59.393)
Right.

Wendy (22:04.958)
Right. No, there absolutely is nothing wrong with that. Yeah, I totally agree. I totally agree.

Wendy (22:18.474)
So they're back from the boat ride. And, you know, Luke and Kristen at this point, they're really not that great. He apologizes. He said, you know, I said something really stupid. But they're back from Yeah. They're back from the boat ride. And Michelle goes back to Lala and Janet's room and she tells them that she had this little cry with Lacey. And she

Kelli (22:27.906)
He does apologize, yeah.

Kelli (22:39.182)
Could Lala and Janet fawn over Michelle anymore? Like listen, I know this is your girl and you ride hard for her, but relax. Relax. Like we know Lala likes to eat the cookie sometimes, and now we got Janet saying she's really bisexual. All these things we're learning about Janet in season three. Isn't it amazing?

Wendy (22:44.617)
I know.

Wendy (23:04.67)
It is amazing. Yeah, it really is. Yeah.

But she, you know, she felt lighter and she was glad that she had that conversation.

And then Luke and Kristen are back in their room and you know, Kristen, you know Luke says to Kristen, like, Are you okay? And she's like, Yeah, you know, I I he's like, I'm sorry, I got a little defensive. and I I like I don't know why Jesse's like trying to make this shit harder. He's and he said, like he I thought he was my friend and I agree with him. I I don't know why Jesse was doing that. I don't. I really don't.

And I really thought that Jesse was Kristen's friend too. I thought that Kristen and Jessie were getting along very well. I mean, you can see that Kristen and Lacey get along very well, right? I don't know.

Kelli (23:54.083)
Yeah. I think that Jesse really was just trying to stir the pot a little bit and, you know, make for good TV, you know.

Wendy (24:02.994)
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Kristen even said, which I was glad she said this, she said to actually s she said it to Jesse. She's like, I'm doing everything I can, like with this postpartum. I'm on medication. I'm seeing my therapist. I'm you know, so w at least we know she's doing those things and she's still struggling. So

Wendy (24:26.701)
they're getting ready for dinner. Benji's wrapping up Zach's head again.

Kelli (24:33.452)
my God. When Tom Schwartz was like, Are we the cutest thruple? And he's like, let's wrap, let's all wrap our heads up in unity or solidarity. What do you say? He is just so funny on this show. I love it. I love it. Luke. Kristen's like, what is happening here? That was great.

Wendy (24:45.322)
Something like that.

Wendy (24:50.344)
Then he was spooning with Luke on the boat.

Wendy (24:57.984)
And he's like, He's the big spoon. I'm like, my God.

Kelli (25:06.055)
my god, it's so funny.

Wendy (25:09.374)
Yeah, and this is where Jesse shows up with his velvet shoes on the beach.

Kelli (25:12.524)
That's it. There you go. There you go.

Wendy (25:17.44)
Danny announces again that it's his real tenure anniversary. so they all start showing up, and Nia's like, okay, so the plan is we're gonna get a drink and then we're gonna go over there and we're gonna some food. then Danny asks Michelle if we're good, and Michelle said, Yeah, we're good. And then Danny said, Okay, because I I heard the other day that you said I make you feel uncomfortable. She's like, Well, I didn't say you make me feel uncomfortable. I said other people said you make them feel uncomfortable.

Kelli (25:46.862)
She said I was speaking on behalf of other people. you shouldn't do that.

Wendy (25:49.809)
Right. No. She said, there are certain people that feel that once you drink too much, you act a certain way. Michelle said, Like, if I were you, I just would not drink. Okay. Yeah, we do. And Danny said, a hundred percent, that's what I'm doing. And I'm just like, okay, Danny.

Kelli (26:03.01)
We agree with that. We agree with that.

Kelli (26:11.992)
So I think that what he meant by that, and I'm sure people are gonna be like, 'cause they're now they're calling us the Danny cheerleaders. I think he meant like he's not drinking as much as he normally would. I mean, he definitely lied about drinking at Zach's party, lied right to Zach's face. But in that moment when he said, Yeah, that's what I've been doing, I think he meant I haven't been drinking as much as I normally would had this all not been going on. That's how you know yeah.

Wendy (26:19.818)
Ha ha ha.

Wendy (26:24.448)
Mm.

Wendy (26:37.82)
Yes. I do too.

Wendy (26:44.842)
So then Nia walks up when they're having the conversation and

You know, Nia said, Okay, yeah, going forward, you know, we're talking about going forward. Yep, he said a hundred percent, I won't make anyone feel uncomfortable. Like Nia wanted to make sure that Danny was clear that wasn't something that was being brought up about the past, that it was moving forward. Because that's where the problem keeps coming up, is that it just keeps going back. It just keeps going back.

Kelli (27:08.813)
Yes.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, because we haven't seen Dark Side Danny. Like, yes, he's loud. Let's go. We all have a friend who does that. I get I get super annoying when I'm drunk. I'm a happy drunk. I'm not a mean drunk, but I get super annoying. I talk a lot. I you know, I I I I know I do. But he's not doing anything wrong.

Wendy (27:37.126)
No, he's not. He's not. He's

Kelli (27:39.788)
As listen, I know people have a problem with the way he talks to Nia when he's drunk. That is between him and Nia though. I think the good of Danny outweighs the bad of Danny, and that's how Nia sees their relationship and him as a husband. And honestly, what marriage doesn't?

Wendy (27:59.209)
No, exactly. Exactly. So but then Danny says to to Michelle, listen, I've never gotten an apology from her. And Michelle said, Well, because she has a hard time apologizing for what you did, she thinks you're blaming her for everything.

Wendy (28:16.338)
And then Janet comes up and Michelle says that if he wants an apology, then just give him an apology. Janet said, I can't, it's deeper. It's deeper than that. Michelle said, Well a po right.

Kelli (28:28.27)
But it's not, Janet, because what happened to you has nothing to do with Danny. It has nothing to do with Danny.

Wendy (28:36.692)
Right, 'cause then Michelle says, just apologize for the words that you said. That's all he's looking for. That's all he's looking for.

Kelli (28:41.866)
Exactly. Right. Right. Because it's false. It's inaccurate. It's wrong. That's not what happened. It happened to you and that is horrible. But it didn't happen Dan where Danny was the perpetrator. It did did j it just didn't. And you said it did. You use those words.

Wendy (28:59.707)
No. No.

Wendy (29:04.106)
Right. Right. So while this whole yes, and she just refuses to. And while this whole thing is happening, Lala's just like kind of standing there and like circling kind of. And then Nia comes and Lala says it is 'cause that's what she was doing. Says it's so interesting. Anytime somebody walks over there, she's like, Daniel, stop. It's been resolved. We're done here. And I'm thinking to myself, she does that.

Kelli (29:06.178)
So that's what you need to apologize for.

Kelli (29:18.616)
Circling is the perfect word for it.

Wendy (29:33.652)
Because there is nothing he can say to you as a female that isn't gonna come across as him being what's the word I'm thinking of? Aggressive, right? Yes. And you could talk to him however you want, and you can be as obnoxious and aggressive and point and put your finger in his face, and that's okay. But

Kelli (29:37.966)
That's right.

Kelli (29:43.222)
Aggressive. Yep.

Kelli (29:55.363)
Yep. Call him Polly Pocket. Imagine if somebody commented on your physical appearance. Fucking Tupac La La. Somebody called her that on Facebook. Cracked me up. She grew up in an affluent neighborhood right outside of Salt Lake City, Lauren. You're not hood. You're not gangster. Take the fucking do-rag off. It's a joke. You're not tough. You're not big and bad, dog. Like, stop with that.

It's a joke.

Wendy (30:29.118)
Yeah, it is a joke. It is a joke. And, you know, Nia's like, We're not gonna talk about it. Danny said, Listen, I just wanna have a good time. Like, it's my birthday And Nia's like, Okay, well then let's just let's just do that And Danny's like, Well then send her back up to the room like he just doesn't want Janet there and I honestly I don't blame him because she is the one who's bringing it down.

Kelli (30:45.73)
I don't blame him either.

She's bringing it down and Lala is rage baiting him every chance she gets. That's what she's doing.

Wendy (30:56.946)
One hundred percent. Yep. That's what she's doing.

Kelli (31:00.75)
Mm-hmm. If he says one thing out of line to them, he's gonna get crucified.

Wendy (31:07.166)
And honestly, I I've like been watching him really interact with La La and interact with them. He is very calm. He is not he's not drunk. He's not he's not aggressive. He's not.

I mean when he said no shit and she lost it, he's like, I no shit.

Kelli (31:28.416)
If you can't handle a man saying no shit to you, you really need to take the do-rag off. Because this whole tough girl act is r a bunch of bullshit. If you can't handle a man saying no shit to you. He didn't say no shit, bitch, or you know what I mean? He said no shit. I say that twenty-five times a day.

Wendy (31:31.721)
Right.

Wendy (31:47.196)
No, I know, I I know.

Wendy (31:53.396)
Yeah, I know.

Kelli (31:54.452)
she really gets me going, obviously.

Wendy (32:00.608)
So then Zax goes up and he says, The other day when we were all at the pool, we talked about our feelings and everything was great. And Danny said, Well, she wasn't there, meaning Nia. And Danny said, Well, we had a great conversation.

Kelli (32:13.069)
I thought I thought he meant because Janet wasn't there.

Wendy (32:16.78)
No. maybe he did. Maybe maybe that is what he meant. Ma yeah, maybe he did. Yeah, and then but

Kelli (32:19.832)
But that's how I took it.

Kelli (32:24.75)
'Cause Lala was there, but Janet wasn't. So Lala wasn't, you know, protecting or defending or whatever the hell she does.

Wendy (32:29.3)
Right.

Wendy (32:32.754)
Right. So sh he said, but that's that's the exact opposite conversation that they had when they were shopping. The other ones were shopping. And Zach said, Well, I have some questions for some people because well it's also you, he says to Nia, and Nia says, Okay, go for it. Zach said, Janet said you and Kristen specifically said that Britney, me, and Jasmine and Zach said, that that

We were out that we were alcoholics. Nia said, No, no, it was actually Kristen. And we didn't she didn't say alcoholics. She just said that, you know, you guys drink. And she said, Kristen said, Yeah, I 100% agree. She said Brittany is one of my best friends, and she gets so messy when she's drunk sometimes. And then she says, We see Janet start texting. While this conversation is going on.

Then Brittany walks up and she's like, What are you guys talking about? And Nia said, We're talking about the other day.

Wendy (33:38.163)
She said, first of all, I never said anything bad about you ever. Kristen is standing behind her now, and every sh she said, everyone in this group has gotten messy before. Brittany said, okay, because that's not what I heard. Brittany said, no one ever was talking about Danny. What what are you talking about? That's what they were talking about.

Kelli (33:59.833)
What are talking about? That's all they're talking about.

Wendy (34:04.146)
Right Right.

Kelli (34:06.306)
She says Janet's always the one to blame. Janet's the one that keeps bringing this shit up. And now la la.

Wendy (34:17.588)
Nia said, No, that's not how she said it. Kristen said, Does that sound like the way I would talk? And Nia said, Consider your source. Now, Janet's not there yet. Brittany said, Janet did not actually make it sound like it was a thing. she absolutely made it sound like it was a thing. Because you immediately said, as soon as you read the text. So how could you say she didn't make it so Right, right. And then

Kelli (34:32.328)
She one hundred percent did.

Kelli (34:38.872)
We have a problem or whatever. Right.

Wendy (34:43.68)
Kristen starts yelling, why is the bitch texting you to begin with just to start a fight? And I was just like, And then Jasmine walks over, and Zach comes over, and Nia said, She just knows like what to do to start a fight. Like she twists things, and Britney is yelling, and Jasmine and Zach are upset now. And I'm like, my God. Like this is just getting out of control. Janet starts walking by, and Kristen says, You are just an

effing piece of work. You're such a piece of work. And that's when it just like yeah, that's when it just went like off the rails and Britney's like, well that that no she's not like what do you like she's immediately like you know pr protecting Janet. but meanwhile over at the table Danny is sitting there with Jesse Schwartz and Lacey and

Kelli (35:18.968)
I would have used another word.

Kelli (35:28.866)
Defending.

Mm-hmm.

Wendy (35:41.769)
Like they're having a calm conversation. Everything's going fine. They're talking about Michelle and, you know, what happened. And Danny said that, you know, like why would sh why would you make this blanket statement about me? Like then all fingers are pointed at me. I'm just so sick of it. And Lala walks up to the table and she sits down and she's like, I think that's a very easy way out.

And I love what

Kelli (36:07.598)
Nobody fucking asked you, Lala. Nobody asked you, Lala. Like she can't help herself.

Wendy (36:12.072)
And Jesse said then I love when Jesse said, Then why don't you get away from the table? She goes, Because I want to sit here. Jesse said, Well then join the conversation. Jesse said, If anyone has a problem with him, drinking or dancing, they can go through me. Lala's like, God. I love that Jesse was like, I'm drawing a line in the sand here.

Kelli (36:33.439)
yeah. Yep.

Wendy (36:38.696)
And then she in her confessional, she's like, yeah, like I have to go through you in your linen suit and loafers. Come on.

Kelli (36:45.378)
Lot like seriously, I I can't believe how she talks about people. If anyone said the slightest thing about her, it would be a big problem the way she dresses, her physical appearance. Could you imagine if Jessie or Danny said these things about her?

Wendy (37:02.152)
Mentioned anything? No. No, no.

So Danny's saying it's a serious issue. I went to the club and Nia said that there's a lot of people that like I make them feel uncomfortable when I shake my hips or I gyrate my hips. And then Lala's laughing. She's like, Things happen at the same time. You're welcome. And Lala said, Two things can happen at the same time. And Danny said, No shit. And that's when she's like, Don't talk to me like that. I'm not your effing wife. You better check yourself. And I was like, She's like, You got the wrong bitch.

Kelli (37:31.118)
Why? Check yourself from who?

Yeah, she's she's really ridiculous. I mean, why I I don't know who she thinks she is. She looks like a complete jackass on this show now. I really hope she's a one and done and she's not back. She added nothing to this show. She made herself look like a big giant jackass. She takes every opportunity to go after him. Especially if there's alcohol around.

Wendy (37:39.456)
I

Wendy (37:59.275)
She really does. She really does.

She does. She really does.

Kelli (38:05.644)
Because remember on the beach, nobody was drinking, right? It was it was in the morning early and she was like, I love this, Daniel. I love this. I love having this conversation with you, Daniel. And then at the pool when they were all sitting there, right? She she wasn't rage baiting him at all. The guy has a drink and she's on his jaw.

Kelli (38:31.266)
She's one of those people in sobriety that are like holier than thou.

Wendy (38:38.016)
She really is and she's not though. Like she thinks she is, but she really is not.

Wendy (38:46.334)
So then Nia comes walking over to the table and she's like, good, you saved my plate. Thank you. I thought she was coming over to save him, but she didn't even realize what was going on at the time. She really was excited about her plate. And then she realized what was going on. And I was like, poor girl, she was hungry. And as soon as she realized what was going on, she's like, like, Danny, like, you just ignore her. Like, just ignore her. He said, I'm trying to ignore her. She's like,

Kelli (38:57.431)
Yes.

Wendy (39:15.274)
Can we walk away at this moment?

He wanted to stay and she wanted him to leave, and I get why she wanted him to leave because like I said.

Kelli (39:25.58)
I one hundred percent get why she wanted him to leave. He can't there's not he could do. Yep.

Wendy (39:28.458)
There's nothing he could say. There's nothing he can do.

Kelli (39:34.238)
Here's the problem. Well, first of all, when Lala said her sobriety depends on taking accountability, does she talk on the podcast with Randall's first wife about how she was fucking him while he was still married to the first wife and had children? Cause unless she says that she does. all right. Damn it.

Wendy (39:49.599)
She actually does. She does. She does. She does. And she does take honestly, she does, and she does take accountability for it, to be quite honest with you. And they honestly are v yeah, she does.

Kelli (39:57.741)
All right. Well, I'll give her that.

But I feel like

I feel when so Nia says that Lala's on a mission to antagonize Danny, and I totally agree with that. I feel like this is causing a lot of tension in Nia and Danny's relationship. I mean Lala said it on Watch What Happens Live. She hopes she leaves them. Is this what you're doing? Is this what you're you're rage baiting this guy so bad and causing so much turmoil in his marriage? And listen, I don't I'm somebody that'd say, well if they have a strong enough marriage.

Wendy (40:18.324)
Yes.

Kelli (40:35.502)
Bullshit. When someone's causing this money problems where you're making these two, you're forcing this woman to constantly defend, take up, defuse for her husband. If you weren't doing this, she wouldn't have to like it's just causing too much turmoil in their relationship. So is this what you want, Lala? You want to be the reason that these two could possibly separate? Because

Wendy (40:54.367)
Right.

Right. Yeah.

Wendy (41:03.028)
Because of Janet.

Kelli (41:04.8)
Because of Janet When Jasmine's the one who was part of the whole thing and isn't doing any of this? It's bananas to me.

Wendy (41:06.792)
Right.

Wendy (41:13.28)
Right. I agree with you. I agree with you. So then Danny gets up and starts to walk away and Lala says, Let me tell you something, Danny. I've been sober for seven years and Jesse's like, My name is Jesse. She's like, Well you two are interch you two are interchangeable. I was like, What?

Kelli (41:26.478)
Yeah, that's real nice. Imagine if somebody said th that that to her about somebody.

Wendy (41:34.257)
Right.

Kelli (41:40.397)
Lala when when she's yelling at Danny and then she starts yelling at Nia. First of all, her aggression is off the chain. Her aggression in this situation, like she should go call her sponsor because something's not right that you're getting this jacked up. This guy's not even doing anything.

Wendy (41:40.862)
I I

Wendy (41:59.457)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (42:03.65)
He's not being rude to you. He's not being rude to his wife. He's not being rude to Janet. He's not doing a fucking thing. It's his birthday. He wanted to have a couple of drinks. And you are getting so worked up over it. His wife is trying to defuse the situation. You're getting in her face. And Lala says, You're worried about what he'll say. Of course, she's worried about what he'll say. You're rage beating him. My

Wendy (42:30.964)
Yep. Yep.

Kelli (42:32.918)
I can tell you right now, this situation would be a lot different if it were Eric.

Wendy (42:41.566)
Listen, I love when Danny said, No one wants to have a conversation with you. Why don't you get out of here and go to your husband? And she said, Honey, if this is what a husband looks like, I don't want it. And listen, you're not gonna get it. And then she as she's walking away, she's like, What's done in the dark is always brought to the light and you're upset about that. No. No.

Kelli (42:52.332)
You're not gonna get it, so no worry.

Kelli (43:02.444)
And then she goes over to the table and her hands start going and she starts attacking his physical appearance and polypocket and all like how many times did you practice that line?

Wendy (43:14.538)
What is she she you said she said, you misogynistic small little Peter Pocket looking mother effer and Zach was standing there and he laughed. He's like, I'm sorry.

Wendy (43:31.498)
But then I mean, I really felt so bad for Nia because she walks away, she's crying, Kristen goes there with her. Like she's like, I feel so, you know, I'm not regulated. Like I have all these emotions. I'm trying to like make this work. Like this is my anniversary too. And I my heart broke for her.

Kelli (43:48.375)
And these are supposed to be your friends. These are supposed to be your friends that you invited to your husband's birthday party. Listen, if you have that much of a problem with Danny's drinking, why would you go to his birthday party knowing that there's going to be alcohol there unless you were looking for a problem? It doesn't make sense.

Wendy (44:07.114)
Well she said she was hungry. She was hungry and she wanted to eat. Order room service.

Kelli (44:10.858)
Lala, you can you can afford to go buy yourself some dinner, honey. It's ridiculous. Janet, that's right. Well she maybe she can't afford to go buy herself some food, so Lala will buy you food.

Wendy (44:15.506)
No, Janet said that, actually. Not Lala, Jan Janet said that.

Wendy (44:27.385)
so then

Kelli (44:27.66)
And then Jasmine says, I'm tired of this man for yelling at I'm I'm tired of this man yelling at women. Well he wasn't even yelling.

Wendy (44:38.132)
I know.

Kelli (44:38.988)
Jasmine's from New Jersey, which was shocking that she would say something like that. Because if you're from Jersey, you know this man was not even near where he could have gone.

Wendy (44:42.889)
I know.

Wendy (44:49.768)
I know. I know. I mean, poor Danny in his confessional. He said, you know, I'm pissed that that some of my friends I'm pissed that that like my wife and and I are cr like my wife is crying. We're not together at the end of the night. Like this is our anniversary. Like this really sucks. Like this is not this is not what like why are we doing this? We don't need this.

Kelli (45:15.448)
So listen, I understand where he's coming from. Where like I understand he didn't want to leave. It's his birthday, blah, blah, blah. But in his confessional, he is saying he wanted to end the night with his wife. Well, your wife wanted to leave. She wanted to go up to the room. You should have just went with her.

Wendy (45:29.42)
he definitely should have. He definitely should have. I mean and when she

Kelli (45:31.81)
But then I also understand it's his birthday and he wanted to like at least be with like Jesse and Lou you know, people who yeah, I don't know. He should have just went upstairs though.

Wendy (45:38.878)
Yeah.

Wendy (45:45.108)
He should have I mean, actually, I don't know. I I just feel bad for them 'cause even when Nia got back to the room, I don't know what the nanny said to her and she's like, Just pray for me. I was like

Kelli (45:57.967)
So on the after show, Lala said she heard Danny had said that he was warned about her, but he didn't practice enough because his insults didn't affect her. She was unaffected. I'm calling bullshit on that. She was definitely affected. Because if you were unaffected, you wouldn't keep clawing at him every chance you get. And you were the one insulting his physical appearance. And then your reaction to him just saying no shit, you are definitely affected by this man. And you should check.

Wendy (46:21.578)
Right.

Kelli (46:27.892)
yourself because that's a you problem not a him problem and somebody posted on one of our clips and said do are you still defending Danny and Nia after this dinner and I thought after so I was like okay like I saw that before I watched the episode so I watched the episode and yes I am yes I most certainly am

Wendy (46:53.426)
I am too I am too I am too I mean

Kelli (46:58.368)
I don't know what the deal is, but if they go into a fourth season with this bullshit again, I I can't do it.

Wendy (47:07.506)
No, I mean the next episode is Jasmine is trying on dresses and then we see it's her and Melissa's engagement party and Danny's getting his vasectomy. I don't know. I don't even know that I want to see the reunion 'cause it's just gonna be annoying.

Kelli (47:25.519)
I think the reunion's gonna be a shit show. I think the reunion's gonna be horrible.

If this is all we're gonna talk about again, come on.

Wendy (47:33.683)
I don't

I mean we spent fifteen episodes. It's rid it's it's really is I mean, even I remember what did Lacey say? Something like how much therapy I'm gonna need after spending twelve hours with you guys. Like I just like this is crazy. And it is crazy.

Kelli (47:39.158)
Yeah. This is too much.

Kelli (47:52.738)
Yeah. Wild. Just wild.

Wendy (47:56.232)
It's crazy.

Kelli (48:00.719)
Well that's all we got on the valley. I mean that it was a lot. I I really hope it's almost over though.

Wendy (48:01.152)
All right, so that's all we got, right?

Wendy (48:09.79)
I think we have one more episode and then that's it. And I really I'll be good with one episode of the reunion. We don't need two. We certainly don't need three. Let's just do one and done. I mean there's really nothing to talk about. What is it or talk about? Okay, we'll talk about Jasmine's wedding. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, it could show us some clips.

Kelli (48:15.702)
No. God, no. Yeah.

Kelli (48:24.204)
Okay. I'll do that, yeah. Especially since it's in New Jersey. I'm ho I'm actually hoping she gets like a bonus episode for her wedding.

Wendy (48:32.739)
I doubt it. I don't I don't think so.

Kelli (48:34.036)
I doubt it though because not everybody was there. Which I f I find you know, that's kind of annoying. Like I feel like Bravo should have given her that.

Wendy (48:42.804)
Yeah.

Kelli (48:43.062)
I would watch it. If it were just an extra episode, like to r you know, to I I didn't watch it. I wouldn't know you couldn't pay me. My f I'm gonna get a T shirt made up, you couldn't pay me. But t you know, Teresa only got a bonus episode of New Jersey. She didn't get a three part special like Tamra and Candy and Bethany. I believe so.

Wendy (48:45.483)
I would watch it.

Wendy (48:50.504)
We know

Ha ha

Tamar got a three part special?

Wendy (49:06.686)
Really? All right, fact check that one.

Kelli (49:07.052)
I'll fact check that, but I bel I think Tamra was the first one to get a three part.

Wendy (49:12.554)
Well Bethany had a whole sh Bethany had a whole show, Bethany ever after. She got a whole spinoff.

Kelli (49:15.724)
Yes she did.

Wendy (49:20.188)
Alright, so that's it for the valley. Are you fact checking it right now?

Kelli (49:29.208)
The mini series aired on Bravo in September twenty thirteen and chronicled the weeks leading up to her wedding. her specific wedding special. Had a three part wedding special. I think Tamar was the first one. And then Candy Candy, of course.

Wendy (49:46.132)
Wow. Wow. I don't know that I wa I yeah, I remember Candies. I don't know that I really I mean I must have watched it, but I didn't make an impact on me 'cause I don't remember it.

Kelli (49:58.988)
Yeah, I mean if you're giving Teresa and Screwy Louie Lou kookie loo, whatever we're calling Loony Lou, Redface, Screwy Louie. Yeah, if you're giving him a th a bonus episode, throw Jasmine a bonus episode. I'd rather watch them.

Wendy (50:04.914)
No, you're calling him Screwy Louie. wait, Screwy Louie, yeah.

Wendy (50:15.718)
It's very true. Very true.

Alright, so until that's it. Until next time, thank you for watching. Bye.

Kelli (50:19.618)
All right, that's it. We're done talking about this.

Kelli (50:26.137)
Bye.