RHOP S9 E7 Recap: Courts, Conflicts, and Celibacy

We Wine Whenever (00:00.726)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. We're talking about Real Housewives of Potomac, Season 9, Episode 7, Hard Launch or Soft Landing. That was the name. That's a good, I don't know, to be quite.

Kelli (00:03.17)
I'm Kelly.

Kelli (00:14.64)
What's that related to?

Kelli (00:19.312)
Because nobody was launching anything. I Jassy had her party, but that was like a Super Bowl celebration.

We Wine Whenever (00:24.832)
Yeah, I don't know. It was a weird title, right?

Kelli (00:26.586)
Hmm. It is. is. Maybe by the end of our podcast, we'll understand it.

We Wine Whenever (00:33.698)
Maybe, but I don't think so, but we'll give it a shot. So we start out with seven days to Karen's court date. They put that up on the screen. And then we see Kierna at her spa working. Mia and Jacqueline are having lunch. And then we see Stacey is in the apartment in DC and she's talking to TJ. And then, I don't know if you notice this, but every time they put TJ, they put best friend in quotation marks.

Kelli (00:35.0)
I don't think so either.

Kelli (01:03.524)
Yeah, yeah, I know.

We Wine Whenever (01:04.366)
I'm like, really? It's just every interaction with him is weirder than the next.

Kelli (01:11.536)
It's just awkward. You know, you could say about other people like, they're not used to the camera, but he's an actor. So he's comfortable in front of a camera.

We Wine Whenever (01:13.422)
It really is awkward.

We Wine Whenever (01:21.675)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:26.721)
Yeah, I mean...

Kelli (01:26.96)
I don't know. I don't want to talk shit on the guy because he seems like a nice guy.

We Wine Whenever (01:32.76)
I know. I don't either. I just think it's awkward. think that the activities that they do, the picture painting, and it's a contest, and they were horrible pictures.

Kelli (01:41.998)
and she had to tell him she was flirting with him? She had to tell him, I'm flirting with you.

We Wine Whenever (01:45.149)
Yeah, I know, like, I don't know.

Kelli (01:50.082)
I mean...

I guess it could be true that he doesn't want to have sex because of his Christianity, but you can't blame people for questioning it because it is very, it's very old, it's very old traditional, people don't typically do that these days. Let's just say what it is.

We Wine Whenever (02:12.468)
Right. Right. No, they don't. They don't. They don't. But I don't know. I guess we'll have to wait and see how it plays out.

Kelli (02:21.518)
We are gonna see how this plays out.

We Wine Whenever (02:24.235)
Maybe that's the soft landing.

Kelli (02:26.665)
see, I knew we were going to crack the case wide open.

We Wine Whenever (02:33.069)
So then we see Ashley and Giselle are at Ashley's house and they're waiting for Karen to come over and they're going to talk to her because her court date is coming up. It's on 6-4-24, which I looked it up. You want to hear what I found out? Yeah. It's very interesting what I found out. So we still don't have an answer as to what's happening. The judge on July 25th

Kelli (02:48.676)
Yes, please.

We Wine Whenever (03:01.099)
The judge delivered a ruling denying Huger's plea to dismiss the case. The court explained that based on previous Supreme Court decisions, Huger's roadside investigation did not warrant reading her of her the Miranda rights. So that's what they were saying that all the evidence that they had couldn't be used because they never read her the Miranda rights. So that's why they were trying to get it dismissed. And the judge said no.

Kelli (03:24.868)
We Wine Whenever (03:30.409)
It's not getting dismissed. And then they also, as a result, the judge concluded that Huger's statements should remain admissible in court as well, leading up to the rejection of the motion to suppress, because they also put a motion to suppress her statement that she made prior to being arrested, because they did like an on-scene investigation. So it's just weird.

Kelli (03:54.862)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (03:59.198)
It's still not resolved. still hasn't gone, you know, and it hasn't gone anywhere from there. They're still, they're still trying to come up with like what their defense is going to be. says moving forward, Karen Huger prepares for the next steps in her DUI case. She faces an uphill battle with the court ruling against her. Her legal team will need to explore alternative strategies to defend her interests. I mean, what does that even mean? She

They have the evidence and it even went on here. I know I had mentioned this earlier. I printed this whole thing out that they did find two unopened cans in her car of beer, which is just weird. I don't know.

Kelli (04:41.348)
You know, the thing is, is why are you defending this so hard? You were drunk and you drove. Take your punishment. What are you going to do? You're going to lose your license. I mean, I don't think they're going to give her jail time for this. I think they're going to take her license away. Take your, take your loss of license. I mean, it could be five years with a second. But I don't know. I don't know. I just stop defending it. Stop trying to get out of it.

We Wine Whenever (04:47.508)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (05:03.477)
Yeah.

Right.

We Wine Whenever (05:11.241)
Yeah, I agree.

Kelli (05:11.524)
That's what she's trying to do. She's trying to get out of it because of who she is. Stop it. And see, this is the difference between she and Shannon.

We Wine Whenever (05:20.415)
Right, exactly. Shannon took her punishment. She said, me just take, you know, I did this, I was wrong. Let me just, you know, move forward.

Kelli (05:21.656)
She's not taking any account. Yes, she did.

Kelli (05:27.662)
and took steps to better herself, like went into a treatment program, like, Karen's not doing any of that. And it's a shame because I really did like Karen up until this, but now I'm seeing a side of her that I don't, you you lose respect.

We Wine Whenever (05:32.233)
Yeah!

We Wine Whenever (05:44.233)
Yeah, you absolutely do. Because the bottom line is they got her blood alcohol level. They have everything that they need. Right.

Kelli (05:49.988)
Yeah.

Kelli (05:53.956)
You were drunk. You made a mistake. And that's okay. People do.

We Wine Whenever (05:57.801)
Right, just take the punishment. Yeah. Take the punishment, plead guilty and move on. You know, I really think that, you know, I don't think she realized it, but I think she's just making it worse for herself mentally and emotionally. Like this is a lot of stress on you. Like just move forward, you know?

Kelli (06:12.954)
For sure.

Have you noticed that Rey is not on this show at all? We'll get there, but I have that written down at the party at the end. We don't see Rey at all. We saw him in the beginning of the season, but that's it.

We Wine Whenever (06:22.899)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (06:27.25)
And just for a minute in the kitchen. No, yeah, you're right. I didn't take note of that, but you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right.

Kelli (06:29.359)
Yep.

Kelli (06:34.416)
everything Ray is over all of these shenanigans.

We Wine Whenever (06:37.747)
Yeah, so then when Karen does finally get there, you know, she says that she hasn't seen them since Lake Norman. And Karen says that she's a little bit upset about what happened at Lake Norman with Mia and Jacqueline saying that Karen said to them that she needed rehab. And then she brought up the YouTube video, which, you know, that whole thing is messy.

Kelli (07:03.056)
Well the thing is is that we don't know if Mia had an opioid problem or not. She didn't go to rehab. She went to the hospital because she overdosed.

We Wine Whenever (07:08.093)
Right. Right. Right.

Kelli (07:14.542)
What's interesting to me is that, well, I don't know if Mia said it here yet. Mia said she was prescribed opioids after her C-section. I never got that of my C-sections. I got some Tylenol-3 and they were like, peace.

We Wine Whenever (07:26.919)
Yes, she did.

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (07:37.288)
Yeah, no, yeah, different doctors and you know, who knows, maybe she had more complications or you know what I mean? Like maybe the pain was different, but she also said that it was accidental.

Kelli (07:38.116)
but I guess different doctors.

Kelli (07:45.24)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (07:50.926)
Right, and if she was taking them after a C-section, know, first of all, you're taking care of a new baby, like a newborn. With Tess, I wrote everything down with Tess. I still have the notebook. I wrote every time she ate, every time I did this, every time, like, you know, new mom, I was at home, I had nothing else to do. But you forget things. She might have forgotten she took it and took another one. You know, who knows?

We Wine Whenever (07:59.635)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (08:08.295)
Mm-hmm. Right.

Right, right.

Kelli (08:19.17)
She also could be full of shit because it's Mia, but I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt.

We Wine Whenever (08:22.024)
Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree with that. So then Karen being Karen, you know, she says what she says about Mia, but then she says to Giselle, like, I know Jamal was engaged. Like, how are you feeling about that?

Kelli (08:40.622)
Yeah, she says, I'm worried too. Cause Giselle goes, we're just worried about you. And she goes, I'm worried too. I'm worried about you. I heard Jamal's getting married. Like deflection, just like Giselle said, deflection.

We Wine Whenever (08:44.498)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (08:53.532)
Yeah, it just wasn't good. Then we see Wendy and her family, they're going, I think it was brunch for the kids that just graduated, one graduated pre-K and the other one graduated elementary school. And her mom was there and Eddie's talking about how he's all excited for the white party. And Wendy's mom says she's going to be wearing anything but white. She just likes to, she just likes to buck the system.

Kelli (09:05.625)
Yeah

Kelli (09:18.576)
She's a little bit of a handful that one.

She does. I think she just likes to needle Wendy as much as she possibly can.

We Wine Whenever (09:23.569)
She really does.

We Wine Whenever (09:28.649)
I know, I know. So, Minetti says the party started out as an idea and now it's turning into a second wedding and Wendy's mom's like, that why I didn't get my allowance this week? I was like, what?

Kelli (09:40.036)
I wrote that down. Did she just say she didn't get allowance? But then she goes on to explain, which I don't think this is the only culture that does this by the way. I don't think so. I never heard of it either, but I have a feeling this is, Nigerians are not the only ones who do. I mean, in a lot of cultures, I think that once you, you your parents get to a certain age, you take care of them.

We Wine Whenever (09:43.781)
Yep.

We Wine Whenever (09:49.54)
really? Okay, I never heard of it. Listen!

We Wine Whenever (10:04.903)
Mm-hmm. Listen, that's great because you certainly can't count on the government to take care of you. So that's what family's for, right? Right? So I don't think that's a bad thing. I don't know that I would have brought it up at the lunch though. Like, where's my allowance?

Kelli (10:12.602)
That's right. Yeah. Absolutely.

I don't either.

Kelli (10:24.666)
Did you see that Wendy's kids were just laughing at it? I do think that this woman is joking a lot of times and you don't know if she's joking or not.

We Wine Whenever (10:36.009)
don't think she's joking. I think she's dead serious with everything she says. I think that she, cause Wendy's, you know, she's said this before, like she's afraid to really be honest with her mother. You know, she didn't want to tell her mother that she didn't want to be a professor because her mother has such high standards for her. And she doesn't want to disappoint her. I feel like she, you know, when she's around her mother, that she is a different person to be honest with you, you know? Cause right away she picked up her phone and she like Venmoed or cash app'd her mom, her

Kelli (10:48.579)
Yeah.

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (11:05.768)
her allowance. I was like, damn.

Kelli (11:11.184)
Yeah. And how about Eddie talking about his family? So his family was invited to the party. Would they say some of them can't come because they don't trust anybody else to watch their kids? I guess his siblings?

We Wine Whenever (11:17.052)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (11:25.892)
I thought, I thought the, let's see, I was confused about that whole thing. I thought that they said that they invited the siblings and the parents and the siblings were afraid for the parents to go. Like if the parents were gonna be there, the siblings were afraid to go.

Kelli (11:45.424)
I, yeah, I read it differently. That's interesting. I thought he was saying that his siblings can't go because they don't trust anyone else to babysit their kids.

We Wine Whenever (11:46.44)
That's how I understood it, but I could be wrong.

We Wine Whenever (11:52.815)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (11:59.772)
That's interesting. And I thought he was saying that the siblings weren't going to go because they were afraid the way their parents were going to behave because the parents haven't been there. But you could be right too. So we're just going to have to watch it again and figure it out. Or maybe our listeners can let us know.

Kelli (12:13.306)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody, we'll make this a clip and somebody comment. Please decipher this for us. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (12:17.951)
Yeah, right. Let us know because we both we both had two different interpretations on that, which,

Kelli (12:24.398)
Yeah. But that was something when Wendy said, so they didn't go to his wedding. They didn't go to his law school graduation. You know, that surprised me because if you don't like our, understand you not wanting to go to the wedding. I don't agree with it, but you know, I don't know. I haven't been in that spot and God forbid, knock on wood. hope I never am.

We Wine Whenever (12:30.086)
Right.

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (12:40.315)
Yeah.

Kelli (12:50.81)
but his law school graduation, that is solely about him and his accomplishment. And that's a huge accomplishment. How do you not go support your son?

We Wine Whenever (13:00.443)
mean, Wendy said it's been over a decade. They've never even met her children. How do you not meet your grandchildren? Yeah.

Kelli (13:04.452)
That's wild. Again, that's wild. It's the same thing with Brahmin. Well, different situation, but this is your blood.

We Wine Whenever (13:11.502)
Yeah, like how? Yeah, that's tough.

Kelli (13:16.951)
Yeah, it is. That is tough.

We Wine Whenever (13:18.417)
I I'm curious to see this party. I'm curious, you know, to see these dynamics, right?

Kelli (13:22.369)
I can't wait. yeah, especially if they're there for sure.

We Wine Whenever (13:26.105)
Yeah. So then Wendy says that her children, the only requirement she has is that they get a master's degree and that it's written in their trust fund. They don't get the money unless they get the master's degree.

Kelli (13:37.776)
That's, that's, that's something.

We Wine Whenever (13:40.781)
It is something, but that's what she grew up with. That's why she has four degrees. Maybe she was expecting four trust funds, but doesn't seem like it's there.

Kelli (13:43.119)
Yeah.

Kelli (13:48.09)
Do you think, yeah, do you think maybe Eddie's family has a problem with the fact that Susan gets an allowance?

We Wine Whenever (13:59.578)
doubt it they're both not

Kelli (13:59.854)
Like they're Nigerian too, why aren't they on the payroll?

We Wine Whenever (14:04.517)
Maybe it's the mother.

Maybe it's only the mother of the daughter. Yeah. But what if you don't have daughters?

Kelli (14:09.764)
The wife's mother?

What if you have all daughters? I mean, or all sons?

We Wine Whenever (14:16.17)
All sons, yeah, I don't know.

Kelli (14:19.76)
That clicked when we were watching that.

We Wine Whenever (14:22.662)
But how would they even know she's on the payroll? I mean, now they know. Right?

Kelli (14:25.906)
I don't know. Now they know. Maybe they've suspected it all along.

We Wine Whenever (14:32.186)
Yeah, but still.

Kelli (14:33.552)
Nah, listen, I'm with you. It's not anything I'm used to in family and I hope I never have to be used to it.

We Wine Whenever (14:41.999)
No, I agree with that. So then the next scene we see, and I'll be honest with you, I really like this next scene with Ashley at her house arranging the flowers with her sons and her mother was coming over. And I really, this is what I like about the housewives to be quite honest with you. I like to see the family interactions. I like to see the side of Ashley. She's concerned about her mother. She appreciates her mother now being a single mom. Her mom's getting older.

Like she sees things differently and we see that interaction. Even Wendy's interaction with Eddie and the kids and her mother, I like that kind of stuff. That's why, yeah, I think that's, we were saying how Potomac goes by so quick. I think it's because it's enjoyable to watch and we're not just watching people fighting over stupid things.

Kelli (15:15.662)
Me too, I'm here for it, I love it.

Kelli (15:26.874)
Right, and talking shit on each other and behind each other's back and then this one's star in the pot. It's exhausting.

We Wine Whenever (15:33.102)
It is exhausting. It is.

Kelli (15:35.69)
Ashley's mother looks fantastic, I thought, right?

We Wine Whenever (15:38.424)
Yeah, she does look good, but I do think that she has, you she does have health issues. She said that she does. And, you know, she's got that boyfriend that is not really financially support.

Kelli (15:42.862)
Yeah.

Kelli (15:48.472)
How is she so with this guy?

I know, it's a silly question, because we all have either been there or know somebody who's still there.

We Wine Whenever (15:52.761)
I, yeah, I know, I know.

We Wine Whenever (15:59.831)
I think and I'm hoping Ashley can give her the strength to break free from him and go find happiness and go find someone to treat you the way you deserve to be treated, right?

Kelli (16:09.368)
Yeah, like why aren't you working 12 hour shifts to support somebody? Listen, I always told Eric, I have no problem working as much as you, but I will never work more than you.

We Wine Whenever (16:23.641)
Really? Okay.

Kelli (16:24.964)
Yeah.

I mean, I do have my little side hustle on Saturdays, but I don't even...

We Wine Whenever (16:31.321)
I mean, you are working more than him anyway because you're doing the house.

Kelli (16:37.328)
Well, I meant like, you know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you're absolutely 100 % right, I do more than him. He'll argue it.

We Wine Whenever (16:38.918)
Like punching in. I mean, he doesn't, well, he doesn't listen. So there's no one to argue with this, right? He's not listening to this podcast. We're good. Okay. There you go. We're all good.

Kelli (16:51.5)
Exactly. no, no, I could say whatever I want about him. Yeah. No, I see your point. I just meant like, like, like, contributing financially. And I shouldn't even, I shouldn't, I shouldn't even say that because there are a lot of women out there who are the breadwinners and God bless you for it. That's amazing. And it doesn't make your husband any less of a contributor, you know? But my point is, like,

We Wine Whenever (17:05.263)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (17:16.341)
No, it doesn't. It really doesn't.

Kelli (17:20.216)
I don't, listen, you're not work, if you can't even hold a part-time job and I'm working full-time, come on.

We Wine Whenever (17:27.895)
Right. No, it's about a work ethic. It's about, you know, it's not a, it's not really even about the money so much. It's about a work ethic and contribution to the relationship, you know?

Kelli (17:29.901)
Yes, exactly.

Kelli (17:33.871)
Right.

Kelli (17:38.734)
Right. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (17:41.838)
So then we see Jassie throwing the party for Darius. She's having it at the Willard. And she's excited for all the girls to meet her man. And she's excited to meet all the girls' men, which I think is good.

Kelli (17:55.374)
Now, yeah, did you read, I read online where, so they were talking about Jassy's man and his kids, and how I understood it was basically Jassy's boyfriend was with this woman and got her pregnant, and they were together, and then Jassy was a side piece.

We Wine Whenever (18:19.844)
Someone commented that on our podcast. Probably. Probably. Yes, and actually that same listener commented about the Mia and the addiction. She said that Mia admitted it in the very beginning, first season, that she had an addiction problem.

Kelli (18:24.118)
so maybe that's where I got it from. Probably. Thank you. Thank you, listener.

Kelli (18:44.568)
I did see that comment. didn't realize it was from the same listener. Okay.

We Wine Whenever (18:47.617)
Yes, it was the same listener. I'm like, I, cause I, you know, I said, thank you. I must've missed that. But Mia is saying that she never said she had an addiction problem. So I don't know.

Kelli (18:57.646)
Yeah, I don't remember her saying it, but I believe the listener.

We Wine Whenever (19:01.336)
Yeah, listen, I do too because listen, we can only remember so much. Even when I write it down, sometimes I don't know what I wrote. I'm like, wait, what?

Kelli (19:07.76)
I don't even, I know, I know, I know. If I'm tired and I just start scribbling, I'm like, no.

We Wine Whenever (19:16.1)
So Mia shows up with Ink and Giselle and Ashley show up together. They both say that they're happy to meet Ink, but they're both kind of shading him for his height.

Kelli (19:32.118)
all the time all the time and then somebody else walked in with their boyfriend was a kiana

We Wine Whenever (19:38.515)
do you, was it Kierna? Yes, it was Kierna. Yes. With Greg, right? No. Yep. Yep. and then Karen shows up with her friend, Vivian.

Kelli (19:43.002)
And they're like, he's all either.

Kelli (19:49.816)
Leave these guys alone!

Kelli (19:54.384)
Yeah, that's what I mean. Where is Ray?

We Wine Whenever (19:56.408)
Yep. Greg shows up with Kierna and Kierna goes up to Mia and brings up about her saying that her boyfriend was a drug dealer. And I actually didn't think it was the place to do it, but Mia squashed it and apologized right then and there. I'm glad we, yeah, I'm glad we got that over with because that would have been messy, right? Wendy introduces her husband, Eddie to TJ.

Kelli (20:13.456)
Thank God.

Kelli (20:17.626)
Yep.

We Wine Whenever (20:25.045)
and says, is Stacy's man. And TJ says, that's right, that's right. I'm like, what?

Kelli (20:31.086)
And Wendy says, that man is not sexually active.

We Wine Whenever (20:35.265)
That's what she said. Yep. That's exactly what she said. The moment that she met TJ. And then Eddie says, well, great relationships often start with great friendships. Okay.

Kelli (20:40.356)
He needs a little happy Eddie. That's what he needs.

Kelli (20:52.654)
Nice icebreaker, Eddie.

We Wine Whenever (20:54.115)
Yep. Ashley asks, like, what do you like to do together? And he said, well, we went to the zoo yesterday. I'm like, no.

Kelli (21:05.06)
It was like he was babysitting his nephew. We went to the zoo.

We Wine Whenever (21:07.06)
I know. We painted. Did you see Watch What Happens Live?

Kelli (21:15.856)
Who was on it? Ashley? yeah, you wouldn't watch it because Theresa was on it. You know why you should watch that.

We Wine Whenever (21:17.354)
Yep, and Teresa.

Well, Teresa was in the second chair. Ashley was in the first chair.

Kelli (21:26.35)
Teresa is a nobody now. doesn't even have been behind the bar.

We Wine Whenever (21:28.361)
Well...

Well, not only was she in the second chair, but when Andy introduced her, he didn't introduce her as a real housewife. He introduced her as on the villains. He didn't even mention the housewives. I thought that was interesting too.

Kelli (21:44.132)
That's interesting. Somebody commented and said, why is she even there? That's not even a Bravo show. But I mean, he does have other people on, so.

We Wine Whenever (21:52.268)
But E is part of the Bravo family. It's an E show. It's part of the Bravo. It's under the umbrella. So she wasn't really saying anything good, but Andy asked Ashley what she thought about TJ. And Ashley's like, well, you saw him up here last week behind the bar with this glisten in chest. And Teresa's like, yeah, I saw him too. And she's like, you don't need me to say anything else.

Kelli (21:58.852)
So what did, what was Teresa saying? Anything good?

We Wine Whenever (22:18.984)
You saw him, you saw what he looked like. I'm not gonna say anything.

Kelli (22:22.842)
So are they making it like he's gay?

We Wine Whenever (22:25.472)
I mean, I'm not gonna say it, because she's not saying it. You know, we're not saying it. She's not saying it.

Kelli (22:29.55)
Right, okay. We're not saying it.

Kelli (22:35.779)
Okay.

Kelli (22:39.396)
It does seem, they do seem like an odd match. And honestly, I'd like to know if her divorce is even final. It doesn't even seem like she wants to get divorced. Maybe her husband didn't want to be on the show. And maybe she really is best friends with TJ. And TJ wanted to be on the show. So they made this all up so he could be on the show.

We Wine Whenever (22:51.926)
Yeah, you're right.

We Wine Whenever (23:07.798)
I mean, no, no, mean, Kenya would always, you know, rent a man, right?

Kelli (23:08.12)
It's not the strangest thing we ever heard about a Bravo show, right?

Kelli (23:19.546)
This girl looks so much like Kenya to me, I can't even believe it.

We Wine Whenever (23:23.244)
People are saying that too. I've seen a lot of people say that, that she, and you said it right away. And I do see the resemblance, but like I said, I don't know. I just think she's a lot prettier and I think she's, yeah, that's true. Yeah. And she's not as harsh either. She's sweet. She's actually very sweet. Unlike Kenya, who's really salty.

Kelli (23:27.749)
Yeah.

Kelli (23:32.58)
Well, she's younger. She's younger. She's like a younger version.

Kelli (23:40.144)
Wow. She's very sweet.

I mean, she's probably not the best pick for the show. But we want, like, she's not really showing us much of her, except this guy who I'm not even convinced that they're really together.

We Wine Whenever (23:55.614)
No. TJ, right.

Right. No, exactly. And that's what we, you we want to see their real lives. I don't really want to see her fighting with anybody, if she's going to come on, I want to see her real life. you know.

Kelli (24:09.092)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (24:12.866)
All right, well, we'll have to wait and see how that one turns out too. Ashley was also asked about her divorce because she said that it was gonna be, you she should have something to sign in a month. And she said that she has an update on that, but she's saving it for the reunion. no, that's what she said on Watch What Happens Live. She's saving it, saving it for the reunion. Yeah, yeah. She's saving it for the reunion.

Kelli (24:30.874)
she didn't even say it on Watch What Happens Live?

okay, that she's saving it for the reunion.

We Wine Whenever (24:40.124)
I think Andy wanted her to save it for the reunion to be quite honest with you because it was like a listener that sent in that question.

Kelli (24:46.906)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (24:49.12)
Which is fine. It's fine.

Kelli (24:50.292)
Yeah, for sure. I've noticed that a lot of these housewives on Watch What Happens Live, when asked questions, certain questions, like, you're just gonna have to wait and see. You know, they've learned.

We Wine Whenever (25:00.01)
Right. Yeah. Because you don't want to give it away. Right.

Kelli (25:04.855)
And that's your job.

We Wine Whenever (25:08.45)
So then Darius comes in and he comes in with another teammate. I missed his guy's name. Was it Prince Tagawanga or something? What was his name? Prince something.

Kelli (25:15.952)
It was print something. Did only one other player from the team go there? We didn't see any other NFL. I was very excited to see some NFL players.

We Wine Whenever (25:22.818)
That's all we.

We Wine Whenever (25:26.786)
So was I. So was I. That's all we saw so far. I know. But she did ask him if he was single and, you know, he is single, so.

Kelli (25:30.471)
You missed the mark, Jas.

We Wine Whenever (25:39.756)
Then Wendy asked Darius how his visit was to the White House. And he said it was good. It was good to hear the president speak. Okay. White House visit. And Jassy thanks everyone for coming to celebrate her three times Super Bowl winner man. Okay. It was weird. That whole party thing was weird.

Kelli (26:01.324)
It was like going to the joint on Mia's trip. It was like, what are you doing here?

We Wine Whenever (26:04.77)
Exactly. It's exactly like that. Even the invitation.

Kelli (26:10.52)
I mean, at least the guy got up and said something.

We Wine Whenever (26:13.719)
Yeah.

Kelli (26:15.056)
Because if you hadn't, it would have been really weird.

We Wine Whenever (26:17.813)
Yeah.

So then Mia says to Karen, Giselle told me that you were coming after me. And Giselle says, I want to talk to these two. So she brings them aside and they go sit down at the table. And she's trying to like, tell Karen what happened and try, you know, trying to explain the situation. And the weird thing is she pulled them away from everybody and then everyone is there standing around them. Did you see that? I was like, did you guys not get the memo?

Kelli (26:44.207)
Yeah.

Yeah, like she pulled them. Exactly. It was an ABC conversation.

We Wine Whenever (26:53.186)
Yeah, that was a little strange to me. So they, Mia and Karen kind of, you know, agreed to like squash the beef. Karen admitted that she went low and that she can go low again. If you come low for me, I'm going to go lower for you. La la la.

Kelli (26:55.45)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (27:07.886)
She said, Karen said, when you go low, I return service. That was a good line.

We Wine Whenever (27:12.218)
That's right, returns serve. Yeah. Yeah, that was.

Kelli (27:17.476)
They both need to do some soul searching. said Karen needs to do soul searching. So does Mia.

We Wine Whenever (27:23.168)
Yeah, they both do. They do. And then we see now it's three days till Karen's court date and she meets up with her cousin, Kevin. And I don't know if you ever watched it when she had that spin-off. Karen had that spin-off. Yeah, I did actually. And I did, you know, we met her cousin, Kevin, when she went to Surry County and she was, we met her whole family. It was interesting though.

Kelli (27:25.36)
Yeah.

Kelli (27:38.085)
I didn't.

We Wine Whenever (27:50.998)
to hear that she was on the phone with him when she got into the accident.

Kelli (27:54.756)
I'm wondering if that's true.

We Wine Whenever (27:57.948)
Why?

Kelli (28:00.088)
It could be a setup. I don't know. It could be part of her defense saying she was on the phone. But I guess that they would get the phone, you could get the phone records. Yeah, yeah, they would get the phone records. So how awful though to be on the other end of the phone when that would happen. Dear Lord. No, me neither. That's terrible.

We Wine Whenever (28:07.586)
100 % they 100 % Yeah, so she could

We Wine Whenever (28:15.86)
I can't even imagine.

No, I can't imagine. And Karen apologized to him, but again, still didn't really take any accountability. The next scene was a little bit hard to watch with Inc and Mia, and her two kids are there, and then Gordon comes over. Mia tells the kids to go watch TV, and she wants to talk to Gordon.

Kelli (28:29.07)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (28:34.396)
yeah. yeah.

We Wine Whenever (28:49.105)
And Gordon's just like, I'm not gonna do one single thing to help you promote this relationship.

Kelli (28:55.13)
So, and basically he came out, like he kind of broke the fourth wall and was like, I don't want to film with you. I don't want to film with him.

We Wine Whenever (29:00.229)
Mm-hmm. Right.

Kelli (29:04.622)
And how about him saying, and there's no judgment here, I am pro-choice, but when he said that, I guess, got pregnant with Ink's child while she was married to Gordon and had to have an abortion. And Ink acted like he didn't even know.

We Wine Whenever (29:19.827)
well he said that this is the first time i'm hearing this but you used to see the look me a gave him

Kelli (29:26.159)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (29:27.015)
Me and shot him a look like.

Kelli (29:30.51)
That was effed up. This was a very hard scene to watch.

We Wine Whenever (29:32.276)
Yeah.

Yeah, it was. And honestly, knowing that the kids are in the other room and at

Kelli (29:39.746)
Exactly. Especially bringing something like that up. Those kids are too young to be hearing anything like that.

We Wine Whenever (29:46.943)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (29:49.366)
It doesn't sound like Gordon's taking responsibility for his part in the separation. Like he keeps throwing adultery out. And I feel like at one point we did see him say, you know, about his mental health issues, that he didn't make it easy on her. But right now he seems very bitter about the ink thing and he's just not owning up to anything.

We Wine Whenever (30:06.195)
He's not.

We Wine Whenever (30:12.063)
No, I agree. He's not owning up to anything. And I just don't think it's going to get any better if they don't just, you know, do something because this isn't healthy. And like we said, like she keeps saying how concerned she is about his mental health, but yet she's leaving her kids alone with him. you know.

Kelli (30:20.857)
Yeah.

Kelli (30:33.174)
Especially since he is so bitter about the ink thing. Like, I just hope he's not like putting them in the middle and asking questions and you know, because that would really suck for them.

We Wine Whenever (30:47.475)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (30:51.778)
It's not a good.

We Wine Whenever (30:51.965)
And then, no, it's not good. Cause then Gordon says, I'm really done here. You guys have fun and he leaves. And then Mia says, my kids don't even know you and I are a thing. They just think you're my best friend. I'm sure your kids know that he's not your best friend, Mia.

Kelli (31:07.472)
That was bullshit.

We Wine Whenever (31:12.337)
No, it was bullshit. Yeah, it totally was complete. Right. Right, because that came out at the last reunion.

Kelli (31:13.166)
That was complete bullshit. They see you sleeping in bed with him. They already have seen you sleeping in bed with him.

Kelli (31:26.808)
Yeah, there's something not, you know, she's full of shit.

We Wine Whenever (31:29.695)
But then she did say she's lived with this for 11 years and she deserves happiness and she's done. Well then, get the divorce and move on. You know? Get the divorce.

Kelli (31:39.128)
Right, right. And then he's gotta, you know, get himself the right help, get himself a job so you're not paying for him. But right now, she's probably on the hook for alimony if they do get divorced, because he doesn't have any income.

We Wine Whenever (31:51.494)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (31:56.229)
Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. I did enjoy this episode. I did not like the whole Gordon Mia scene, but I do like to get to know them. I like to see real moments with them and not this fake staged rumors, pranks. I don't...

Kelli (32:05.794)
No, that was, yeah, that was.

Kelli (32:19.086)
Right. yeah. I have no interest in New York. I have no interest in it. It's terrible.

We Wine Whenever (32:26.597)
I know. You you and I, talked about not doing, because we have so many we're doing now. So one of our, New York Drop Today, our episode from last week in New York Drop Today, and someone, one of our listeners who comments frequently said that she loved the podcast. She said all these things about it and all about the Scientology. She was giving us a lot of information about Scientology.

Kelli (32:31.696)
Right.

Kelli (32:51.288)
That's interesting.

We Wine Whenever (32:52.304)
Yeah, so I replied back to her like, listen, you we're thinking about not doing New York anymore. Like, what are your thoughts on it? So I'm curious to see what she says, you know? I mean, we'll still do it. We'll just like, you know, condense it. won't do, you know, maybe we'll do two episodes together or, you know?

Kelli (32:58.873)
Yeah.

Yeah. Well, thank you.

Kelli (33:07.3)
Yeah, like maybe add it on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because honestly, it's, you know, it's just a shame and I do blame production because I feel like these women are interesting. I don't think there's anything wrong with them. It's just being produced the wrong way. Did you see Bethany came out and had a whole lot to say today?

We Wine Whenever (33:27.098)
I did not. About this? Ooh, what did she say? Mm-hmm.

Kelli (33:29.134)
Mm-hmm. It sucks. It sucks. And basically, like, you need to call Luan, Dorinda, Ramona, and Sonya and get their asses back on the show.

We Wine Whenever (33:44.707)
Yeah. I mean, yeah.

Kelli (33:44.824)
you

Kelli (33:51.162)
It just didn't work. The reboot didn't work. They did it wrong.

We Wine Whenever (33:55.975)
They did, that's it, they did it wrong. That's it.

Kelli (33:58.212)
Yeah.

Like remember, you know, early New York, like Alex was asking Jill about the schools and Jill was like, I can get you in touch with this person, this person. Like that, like, you know, we were seeing them with their families, their kids, their, you know, their networking and how they were maneuvering through the city. We're not seeing any of that. We're just seeing nonsense, bullshit, talking behind each other's backs, the pot, making up stories.

We Wine Whenever (34:16.316)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (34:28.848)
Yes, that's all we're seeing.

Kelli (34:30.896)
Like you live in New York City, you have to make up a story?

We Wine Whenever (34:35.46)
Yeah. That's crazy!

Kelli (34:37.612)
I agree, I agree. And you're... We could go on and on. It's not good. It's just not good.

We Wine Whenever (34:45.69)
It's not good because honestly, I think of all the cities, New York, that should be a main character in the Real Housewives of New York. And we're not even seeing that. Like we're not even seeing the city. We're just seeing fighting in like random places. We're not really even seeing a good part of New York, which is like we do in Beverly Hills and we do in Orange County.

Kelli (34:53.776)
Yeah.

Kelli (34:57.389)
No.

Kelli (35:09.603)
No.

Bye.

I mean the quiet woman is its own character. And this is Orange County, California. Like, come on.

We Wine Whenever (35:15.578)
And we do in Salt Lake. Yes!

We Wine Whenever (35:22.436)
Right, exactly. Exactly.

Kelli (35:24.462)
I forget the name of it, but when the OGs were on, like that place that Luanne always went to with Tom, they always talked about that one place. I forget what it was called, but.

We Wine Whenever (35:34.906)
Yeah, I know what you're talking about now. I can't think of it.

We Wine Whenever (35:40.026)
And that's where Dorinda, no, Sonia said, why are you here without Dorinda? I can't think of the name of I know what you're talking about though. But yeah, that's what it was. Yeah, they gotta switch it up.

Kelli (35:46.35)
Yeah.

Kelli (35:50.03)
Yeah.

Kelli (35:55.3)
They gotta do something, because this isn't working.

We Wine Whenever (35:58.317)
it's not. I don't have anything else. Do you have anything else? Okay.

Kelli (36:02.668)
No. They just better not F up New Jersey. They better not reboot New Jersey. Cause after this, reboot, we know a reboot doesn't work. I don't know what you're going to do about Jersey, but don't reboot it.

But I do stick by, I do think that for Jersey, they should keep Danielle and Rachel and Melissa, because I like her. And get, bring on Frank Catania's fiance. I know, I'm already.

We Wine Whenever (36:34.107)
She doesn't want to be on. She doesn't want to be on. Leave her alone.

Kelli (36:38.522)
But if she's on with these women, she doesn't have to worry about any claws coming out. Or just a couple more young women in their age group, in their circles, raising children. And it'll be like how it was when it first came on. Right?

We Wine Whenever (36:57.797)
Yeah?

Kelli (36:59.672)
like a newer generation, but they gotta keep a couple, they have to keep Rachel, they have to keep Rachel and Danielle. I firmly believe that they're keeping Rachel and Danielle. And they're gonna maneuver around the rest of it.

We Wine Whenever (37:09.989)
Okay, we'll have to wait and see. What about Margaret? You think Margaret's staying?

Kelli (37:15.565)
I want Margaret to stay because I like Margaret, but I don't know. I could see if they, I could see them getting rid of Teresa and Margaret right now.

I really could.

We Wine Whenever (37:32.462)
I did see recently online that Jen Aiden was with Teresa. They were out together. And Louie was out there as well. Did you see that? Because they've been kind of keeping a low profile.

Kelli (37:39.684)
Yeah.

Yeah, I definitely don't think Jennifer Aiden's coming back. I think Andy hates her.

We Wine Whenever (37:50.308)
Well, hate is a strong word. You're not allowed to say those words.

Kelli (37:51.928)
Yeah, you're right, you're right. I think Andy strongly dislikes her. I don't think Andy likes her at all.

We Wine Whenever (37:59.002)
Okay, yeah, I don't think he's a big fan. Especially after, I know, I know. And we don't even know because we're not even gonna find out until 2025. And then by this time they start filming and then we get to see it, we're talking about it's gonna be a year. It's gonna be a year before we see anything.

Kelli (38:05.072)
can't stop talking about Jersey. I can't wait to see what happens.

Kelli (38:12.568)
I know, that's only a month and a half away.

Kelli (38:20.389)
I know.

We Wine Whenever (38:24.024)
You'll make it. You're going to make it. You'll be okay. Okay. Until next time. Bye.

Kelli (38:25.776)
I know, I'll be all right.

I need a support group.

Kelli (38:35.722)
Alright, bye.