RHOBH Reunion Part 3: Erika BREAKS DOWN & Dorit Faces the Heat 💥

Wendy (00:01.71)
Welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.48)
I'm Kelly

Lori (00:05.919)
And I'm Lori.

Wendy (00:08.844)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, season 15, reunion part three. Woo! This was a long, honestly, I am too. I really am too, and I don't normally say that, but it was a lot. It was a lot.

Lori (00:19.786)
Yeah, glad it's over.

Kelli (00:29.944)
You know what's funny? I have found this with a couple of episodes of a couple of different shows. I must have seen so many clips from this episode that when I started watching the episode I was like, I feel like I've already seen this. Like, cause I've seen so many clips from it.

Wendy (00:42.222)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (00:46.425)
Lori (00:50.901)
Yeah.

Wendy (00:51.34)
No, I get it. get it. Actually, before we jump into this, I want to do my call to action and ask everyone, if you haven't already, please head over to YouTube and hit subscribe and follow us on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, all the places and anyone who's already done it. Thank you.

Lori (01:06.73)
Yes, thank you.

Kelli (01:07.096)
Thank you.

Wendy (01:08.948)
So we start out with Dorit saying, like, what were you hurt by to Erika? The interesting thing about this is I waited to watch it on Peacock too, because it's the reunion and we get those extra parts. I kind of, I don't know what they are if I don't watch it there, right? But the interesting thing is we started out with that and the reunion ended with that.

Lori (01:27.658)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (01:37.644)
Yes, yes it did.

Wendy (01:39.838)
It started out with Dorit saying, what were you hurt by? That is what, honestly, because I feel like this whole reunion was about pretty much the same topic. And I honestly felt like, for lack of a better word, like Dorit was just exhausting.

Kelli (01:44.94)
Maybe that's why I felt like I had seen it before.

Kelli (02:05.346)
Well, yeah, so even if it wasn't about her, she would twist it and make it about her. She was exhausting, I agree with that.

Lori (02:05.472)
She definitely was exhausted.

Lori (02:14.73)
Definitely exhausting. Yes, definitely exhausting. But I think that she just came in with total blinders on in attack mode in...

Wendy (02:15.149)
Right?

Kelli (02:16.631)
Yeah.

Wendy (02:18.274)
I mean...

Lori (02:29.142)
Just that mindset that's that's just how screaming.

Kelli (02:35.288)
She wants Kyle to... It doesn't matter that Kyle is apologizing for using the word erratic. It doesn't matter. There's nothing Kyle can say or do at this point to remedy what she did during the season. And I truly believe because of how it could affect Dory in her divorce. And it will. It's not like the season's over.

Lori (02:45.163)
Mm-mm.

Lori (02:59.094)
Well, I think too. It definitely will. Definitely will.

Kelli (03:04.354)
Kyle apologized and now it goes away. It doesn't go away. PK still has this and now he's out doing interviews. This is really going to affect her. So it just doesn't matter what Kyle does at this point. And if the show picks back up anytime soon with the two of them and the divorce is not done, this is going to continue. It's going to be a Melissa Teresa situation. We're not going to get away from it.

And I don't think any viewers are gonna want that.

Lori (03:38.324)
Yeah, it's just that Dorit is now, she is no longer in that fox force, whatever the frig. And why the fox? I don't know these things.

Kelli (03:45.612)
Fox4us5.

Wendy (03:45.614)
5.

Kelli (03:49.912)
I think Erika came up with... Maybe because they're a bunch of foxes? Which they are. Which they are.

Wendy (03:53.122)
Yeah, and it had something to do with where they were. Where were they when they came? Where were they when they did that? Were they in London? Where were they? I don't remember. I don't remember either. I think it had to do with something about where they were.

Lori (03:55.966)
Okay. Okay.

Kelli (04:01.281)
I don't remember.

Lori (04:02.388)
I don't know. I don't know nothing about it.

Lori (04:08.64)
But she's on the outside now. She's on the outside of that group. And I'm sure being in that group for a time, she knew exactly how they all must have operated. And they must have operated in a certain way where that if they were all in cahoots with each other, they could kind of not lead production, but they could kind of...

Kelli (04:11.426)
Yes, very much so.

Lori (04:34.57)
bounce the ball on a different chord if things started to get too iffy for somebody, they could do a little hand sign like, hey, let's bring something else up, let's change the subject or whatever. So I think she was in that click, now she's out, and I think now that she's out, she just has claws out, hair standing up, and just.

Kelli (04:56.504)
and not afraid to blow up their spot about it. Because there's no doubt in my mind, I don't think Kyle can control who is on and off the show, but I do think that Kyle has some kind of creative direction ability.

Lori (04:59.218)
not a flea to blow up anything.

Lori (05:12.822)
Well listen, if anybody has any question at all, Kathy Hilton gets to rudely have her phone ring and answer it on the show, okay? Like, inadvertently, right.

Kelli (05:20.268)
Yeah.

Kelli (05:25.192)
Anyone else Andy would have?

Lori (05:30.314)
Lost his mind. Imploded. Called him out.

Kelli (05:30.338)
What's the word I'm looking for? You know, it starts with an R. Not yelled at, but yeah, yeah, scolded, reprimanded, thank you. 100%, anyone else other than Jennifer Tilly and Kathy Hilton. And Jennifer Tilly would never do it.

Wendy (05:35.352)
scolded, reprimand.

Lori (05:37.076)
Reprimanded.

Lori (05:44.66)
But no, we never know.

Wendy (05:49.624)
So did either of you get a chance to watch any of the PK interview, the podcast?

Lori (05:53.832)
No, I always I wanted to I just never it's never

Wendy (05:56.704)
So I watched a good part of it. It's long. It's actually very long. I couldn't watch the whole thing because it was really a lot of.

Kelli (06:02.722)
Who interviewed him? I'm just curious who gave him this outlet.

Wendy (06:06.926)
some podcaster, he's pretty popular though. It was a podcaster. He's got quite a following. But basically he did not bad mouth Dorit at all. He did not say one bad thing about her. He pretty much owned his part in this. I mean, some of the things that he said like, you know, when we were cast on Housewives, because he, but

Lori (06:07.479)
What's his name? I forget his name. Some dude.

Kelli (06:14.114)
Okay.

Lori (06:34.635)
yeah, it was definitely a wee.

Wendy (06:36.49)
But he said that and he admitted that Dorit did not want to do it. He forced her to do it. He admitted that. So yeah, she did not want to do it. He forced her to do it. And you know, in his PK way. Because he thought that, you know, his wife was beautiful and smart and intelligent and could be very good at this show. Those were his words. Like, absolutely, absolutely. And

Kelli (06:43.294)
he admit that.

Kelli (07:00.673)
and make them money.

Lori (07:02.518)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (07:05.708)
You know, he admitted that. So honestly, and he wasn't going to say anything bad about her. And he said, you know, really his concern is for the children. And I think that that, you know, whether it's true or it's not, that should be his concern, right? I mean, he certainly...

Lori (07:23.19)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (07:23.65)
Well, whether it's true or not, he's gonna say it because my only concern is my children and if my soon to be ex-wife has erratic behavior.

Lori (07:27.382)
Well that's his optics. He needs that optics.

Lori (07:34.015)
Exactly.

Wendy (07:34.732)
Well, again, he did not bring that up. I personally think, no, no, but I personally think, I know you guys disagree with me, the fact that Kyle did say it, yes, it could hurt her, but the fact that she just kept going on and on and on with it just made it more of a storyline than it ever needed to be. Like, it was brought up so many times by her.

Kelli (07:37.88)
There's not.

Kelli (07:54.104)
But I think she did that because it kept coming back to her that Kyle was saying it. It's not like it only got back to her one time that Kyle was saying it. And she said to her, please just don't talk behind my back. And Kyle kept doing it. Whether Kyle brought it up or somebody else brought it up, Kyle was still talking about her behind her back. And did you catch when Kyle said, yeah, I brought it to the table?

Lori (08:05.854)
No, was with everybody.

Wendy (08:06.242)
But she only-

Kelli (08:22.988)
You know what that means in How's Wives? That means I brought it on the show.

Wendy (08:23.118)
Yeah, she did say that.

Lori (08:28.63)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (08:30.86)
That's what that means.

Wendy (08:31.0)
She said that. And she also referenced, I brought it to the table with Rachel when we were discussing it at the airport, when we were worried about being late, and Dora Beat was very late. She absolutely said that. She did. And she admitted to saying that. She admitted to saying that.

Kelli (08:46.594)
Right, but that's what that means. You brought it on the show.

Wendy (08:52.046)
I mean, yes, she did. Yep.

Lori (08:56.64)
See, but it's just, for what reason?

Kelli (09:03.906)
Did, did Kyle really want her whole storyline this season to be about Dorit? Listen, maybe she did because it got her out of talking. Well, it got her out of talking. Right. Right. I mean, she was planning her daughter's wedding for crying out loud. Like we barely saw any of that.

Wendy (09:10.082)
think she did?

Lori (09:12.106)
We got out of talking about anything she had going on. Absolutely.

Wendy (09:17.834)
I don't think so. I don't think so.

Lori (09:25.706)
Yeah, we could have watched all about that. That would have been nice.

Wendy (09:26.358)
No, we definitely could have watched that. mean, we saw, and you guys know this, we saw what the producers wanted us to see. You know, we saw what the producers wanted us to see. And they wanted us to see discourse between Kyle and Dorit. That's what they wanted us to see. So much so that they left out a lot of things that would have proved what Kyle was saying all along, that she wasn't the only one talking about it. She wasn't the only one bringing it up.

Kelli (09:28.066)
Yeah.

Lori (09:35.209)
Absolutely.

Kelli (09:36.205)
Correct.

Kelli (09:43.128)
Right. Right.

Lori (09:44.062)
Absolutely.

Wendy (09:54.412)
She wasn't the only one having these conversations.

Kelli (09:55.043)
Why do you think they wouldn't just show it though at the reunion then? Like if Kyle's saying this happened.

Wendy (09:59.704)
Well, they did. I mean, they did. They did a lot. Some of the stuff they did show. Some of it they did show. And Bo's even came out and said, I said this. And Doreen admitted that it was said to her.

Kelli (10:10.474)
I mean, saw Bo say over and over again, I think Kyle's coming from a good place. I think Kyle cares about your wellbeing. So the fact that Kyle was like, did they air that? Like, do you watch the show, Kyle? Because yes, they did. We all saw it.

Lori (10:15.466)
Yeah, absolutely.

Wendy (10:25.838)
No, but there was other things that Bo said that, and Dorit admitted like, yeah, she said it to me. I saw it, I heard it. Dorit, and like Bo said, Dorit didn't agree with me, but I did say these things to her. I did agree with some of the concerns that Kyle had. She had those conversations with Dorit, but they didn't show us where she said, we saw when she said,

Kelli (10:26.316)
We all saw that.

Wendy (10:55.278)
I think that she is concerned, right? But we didn't see where she said it over and over and over again. We didn't see that until the reunion when they started showing us more clips. They showed us a lot more clips.

Kelli (11:08.482)
But whatever Bo said to Kyle, Bo's also said to Dorit's face.

Wendy (11:14.542)
Well, that's what Dorit said. Right.

Lori (11:14.59)
Right, I think that's a difference. I think that's a difference. And I think that's the difference and I think that's the problem. And I think the main problem is that the thing with the before last reunion...

Kelli (11:16.598)
Right, that's the difference.

Lori (11:29.802)
Kyle and Dorit really weren't friends. So why this whole season, why are you acting like you're so concerned that you're such my friend, that it's only concern? But then you say stuff that could get me in trouble. You talk behind my back. You don't. So I'm not saying I see Dorit's side. I'm just saying it to me, it's not just, it's not just all Dorit.

Wendy (11:59.456)
No, it's not just old Dorit, but I do think, I don't think Dorit had any intentions when she came into this reunion to make peace with either Kyle or Erica. I don't think that was her intention. Because I don't think, right, there was nothing that they could have said or done that would have changed the way she felt. And even so much, right, it's very sad, it is sad. Because they were friends for a long time, and they did go through a lot.

Lori (12:08.001)
no. No, no. She was scorched earth. She was scorched earth. Yeah. No.

Kelli (12:09.378)
Definitely not.

Lori (12:18.334)
Nope. And that's sad.

Kelli (12:23.009)
It is.

Wendy (12:28.76)
There was a, there's a long history there. There's a long history.

Lori (12:29.064)
Right. Yeah.

Kelli (12:31.35)
And typically you do go to the reunion, I mean you have to go to the reunion because it's in your contract, but you go to try to make amends, you know? Yeah.

Lori (12:40.586)
resolve whatever's going on, right? And there was no resolving anything at all. It just felt quite uncomfortable, actually. And I was thinking to myself, Lord, like how they gonna film together and make that something that people enjoy? Like if this is, right, if, know, according to how much of it is real.

Kelli (12:49.485)
Very.

Wendy (12:57.325)
Yeah.

Kelli (12:57.592)
Well, it's gonna be interesting to see what happens going forward.

Lori (13:05.95)
just, you know, if it really is as portrayed, that certainly seems like a very hostile, uncomfortable workplace. And how does that not reflect back in the show?

Wendy (13:18.798)
Oh, I think it's real, the hostility is real. I don't think anyone there was faking that. I think that hostility was 100 % real and raw. Like, you know.

Kelli (13:28.396)
think you could tell by their facial expressions.

Wendy (13:32.386)
Yeah.

Kelli (13:33.516)
that that was.

Lori (13:33.595)
And I would imagine that both Erica and Kyle, while they're kind of going after Dorit a little bit, on one hand, on the other hand, I'm sure that at times they must be like, shit, because I'm sure she knows a lot about both of them and how they operate.

Lori (14:03.786)
You know, and I, so sometimes I feel like Erica really does have these deep, strong feelings for Doreen and she can be a little bit hurt. And then other times I'm like,

Is she like petting the bunny sometimes so it doesn't bite her?

I know.

Wendy (14:24.354)
You crack me up. Where the heck did you come up with that one?

Kelli (14:29.676)
I just thought I'd all the traction.

Wendy (14:29.74)
Love it. Exactly.

Lori (14:31.477)
Yeah.

I'm just saying she must know a lot about the skeletons. She knows how they've all operated in the past. She's been in the inner circle and now she's not. That's all I'm saying. And when you have something like that with somebody.

Kelli (14:44.696)
Right, yeah.

Lori (14:51.168)
times it's good to pet the bunny.

Wendy (14:54.078)
Yeah, I mean...

When Erika finally told Dorit what she was upset about, right, that Dorit said that she was lashing out at Erika so that she could keep her job. That's the remark that made her mad. It was that combined with when she said at the table, nobody supported me as much as Boz did. Those two things combined all happened at

pretty much the same dinner in Italy. That was like the straw that broke the camel's back. For Erika, right. Because we got to move on to Erika. can't talk about Kyle this whole time. But I'll be honest with you.

Lori (15:31.84)
For Erica. Yeah.

Lori (15:38.229)
No.

Kelli (15:40.128)
Fortunately, we have to talk about Dorit more though because she inserted herself into every aspect of this reunion

Lori (15:44.677)
Everything, everything.

Wendy (15:45.74)
Well, she was actually a part of all of it though. She absolutely was, right? She was a part of all of it. I mean, listen, the fact that at the end, Erica is still, she's literally crying about this. She had tears and her eyes again. She was crying in Italy when it happened. That's real, I'm sorry. Erica.

Lori (15:50.229)
Yeah.

Lori (16:04.054)
I I wondered watching this. Whether there's something else... No, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying I'm wondering if there's something... I feel like there's something more.

to Erika's reaction. Something more than just her friendship with D- I don't know. That's just my reaction.

Kelli (16:29.964)
I thought you were gonna say if there was something more that happened between Dorit and Erika because one year at BravoCon, Erika was asked on stage, what couple do you think will get divorced next? And she said PK and Dorit. Yeah, I honestly think that that is why Dorit is not really moving past the whole Erika thing and has no problem treating her the way she's treating her. I'm not saying I agree with the way Dorit is treating Erika.

Lori (16:34.58)
could be.

Lori (16:41.013)
yeah, she said yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (16:58.968)
because I do think Erica's tears were real. I do think that Erica, at this point in her life, maybe not back then, but at this point, values her friendships very much after everything she's been through. And I think that this was extremely hurtful to her. But I think that that is why Dorit has no problem treating Erica the way she is right now.

Lori (17:15.274)
But, but she...

Lori (17:19.976)
Right, but Erica just seems to totally forget how she was. It's amazing.

Kelli (17:25.122)
She does, you're right.

Wendy (17:25.262)
don't think she forgets it. I don't think she forgets it because...

I think they're two different things. think that it's very rare that we see Erica be vulnerable. It's very rare, right? She was vulnerable when she talked about the DV incident, right? Which Dorit was aware of, even though, you know, she didn't acknowledge it. Right, she didn't really acknowledge it. She was very vulnerable when she had the big blowout with Dorit and Dorit stormed off and she waited to really...

Lori (17:48.63)
kind of blow it off. Right, right.

Wendy (18:00.942)
break down until Dorit was gone, right? And again, not easy for Erica to do, right? And then at the end of the reunion when it was brought up again about, you know, why she was so vulnerable, when Andy explained it to Dorit, Dorit still didn't get it because, because I think, because she even said this, she said, you know, she really feels that

Lori (18:04.555)
Right.

Lori (18:19.262)
No, she's still in. No, she's still in.

Kelli (18:20.961)
No, she didn't.

Wendy (18:28.458)
Erica and Sutton were doing Kyle's dirty work. And Erica said, nobody told me to do this. Nobody. I don't think so. I don't think Erica's gonna do someone else's dirty work and feel that way about it. That's not, I don't think she's gonna do it. But Doree thinks that that's what it is. And so does Kelly.

Kelli (18:34.04)
So did I.

Kelli (18:51.874)
I think at certain points during this season Sutton and Erica moved in a way where they knew it would be looked upon better from Kyle. Does that make sense?

Wendy (19:07.864)
don't think so. I don't think so because Erica even said, you know, I agree with Kyle about the way you've been behaving. I, you know, I feel the same way. And the fact that Dorit brought up that it was odd that Sutton chose to room with Amanda when it's obvious that when they broke it down, everyone knew why Sutton was rooming with Amanda. I mean...

Lori (19:33.91)
Well, my question is this, how come that turd Natalie was just so into her vibrator and she couldn't... She should have took the head for the team. She was the low man on the totem pole.

Kelli (19:45.985)
You know what's interesting to me? What was interesting to me was Sutton's comment about, and I agree with her, like, I'm not gonna room with Jennifer Tilly because she's a movie star. Okay. Exactly, exactly. Exactly, exactly. And who is Natalie? Like, right, she is Lomann on the totem pole, but she and Amanda were. So yes, that's, okay, so.

Lori (19:55.861)
You've roomed through there plenty of times before. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? You talking shit now. You talking shit.

Lori (20:08.628)
Yeah, I don't get that.

Kelli (20:13.334)
I'm sorry, if you have to go use your vibrator, go in the bathroom and lock the door. Like, I don't know what to tell you.

Lori (20:17.782)
Yeah, and why do you get special treatment as a little man on the totem pole? That's how I would have been if I was Sutton. would have been like, no, Natalie can go. Thank you.

Kelli (20:21.175)
Right.

Kelli (20:27.628)
Right, that's what I'm saying. It was just a little, it was definitely suspect that Sutton decided to room with Amanda on the Italy trip. It was definitely suspect.

Wendy (20:28.302)
I mean.

Wendy (20:33.091)
You think.

Wendy (20:40.536)
But how come everybody knew why it happened? Bose knew why it happened. It was Bose's trip. So if Bose knew why it happened, why didn't Doreed know why it happened? Why is it suspect if everyone at the reunion knew why it happened except for Doreed?

Kelli (20:46.944)
It was Bose's trip, yeah.

Wendy (21:00.696)
Didn't it seem that way when they explained it?

Kelli (21:05.164)
Well, did Dorit know at the time she said it? Because she said it on the show, right? She said it on the show, which is why it was brought up at the reunion. The reunion wasn't the first time she said it, is my point. So maybe when she said it on the show, she didn't know, and now she knows.

Wendy (21:10.904)
She said it at the reunion!

Wendy (21:17.631)
No, three-

Wendy (21:22.284)
Well, I mean, she definitely said it on the show and it was brought up at the reunion. if it was brought up at the reunion and she already knew because she found out after she said it on the show, why did it take Bose to put it out there? Because everybody knew. And Dorit didn't seem like she did know. Do you know what I'm saying?

Kelli (21:43.341)
Maybe they were, you know, sometimes things aren't said. Like Erica said that she didn't want to bring up the fact that Dorit said she was trying to save her job. You know, some things are gonna be said, some things aren't gonna be said at the reunion. So maybe nobody knew if it was gonna come out that Natalie, you know, had to masturbate on vacation. And that's what prompted all this. Well, I mean, that's the reason why.

Wendy (22:04.464)
you had to go there. You had to go there. Did you see Cathy? So funny. So funny. Did you see Cathy whispering to Rachel? She wanted to jack off. She wanted to jack off. I was like... Exactly.

Lori (22:12.874)
Yep. Forgetting she's mic'd.

Lori (22:17.918)
and laughing hysterical at herself. This is great.

Kelli (22:21.688)
my god, so funny, so funny.

Lori (22:24.372)
That's great.

Wendy (22:25.383)
These actually were the best parts of the reunion to be quite honest with you is some of the hijinks.

Lori (22:28.52)
yeah.

Kelli (22:29.292)
You have to give it to Cathy Hilton. mean, she really did. Normally, and a lot of times you see Jennifer Tilly talking under her breath and being comic relief. But this reunion, it's Cathy all the way.

Wendy (22:38.829)
Yeah.

Lori (22:41.814)
Well, Jennifer Attilie is the queen, because you know that bitch could not breathe in that dress that whole time and was so uncomfortable. She couldn't wait to get out of there and have a drink. I'm telling you, she couldn't wait.

Wendy (22:42.157)
Right.

Kelli (22:47.114)
I know. No wonder she wasn't making any comments under her breath.

Kelli (22:55.884)
Get this dress off of me.

Lori (22:57.318)
Off me. It looks great, but I'm not doing it no more. Poor thing. And that sucked because we didn't really hear from her at all. No, it's annoying. I don't like that.

Kelli (23:06.186)
No, we didn't hear from her.

Wendy (23:06.55)
I know.

I know I would have loved to hear more from Rachel and yet you're right she had to sit out there to whole episodes right both of them. Yeah.

Lori (23:16.596)
Yeah, not being able to breathe.

Kelli (23:17.335)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Wendy (23:22.83)
Andy then said to...

Wendy (23:29.186)
So Andy brings up about Erica and Sutton. And he said, you your friendship has really seemed to blossom. Erica, you said without Vodka, Sutton is actually fun. And Andy's like, well, what's what is the most fun thing about her? And she said, well, she's funny. She's self-deprecating. Like, I found her to be warm. Like, she's a good time. And then Andy said, well, Sutton, like, what did you think when Erica referred to you as a box? Her figure.

and her shape and Sutton's like, well, it wasn't the nicest and Erica said, no, it wasn't Sutton and I, you I know like, and Erica's like, Sutton said, I know you're sorry and Erica said, no, I am. like she brought it.

Lori (24:12.148)
I love that about Erica. She could just totally admit, yep, I was a bitch and sorry. I like that. Yes. Yes. It's like I was a bitch and I'm sorry.

Wendy (24:16.396)
Yep. Yep.

Kelli (24:16.418)
Yeah. Yeah, she can apologize. Erika can apologize.

Wendy (24:21.174)
Right, yep, I don't know if you caught it, at the same time, Dorit rolls her eyes. So Dorit rolls her eyes because she apologized to Sutton. And I'm just like, really?

Kelli (24:31.116)
You know, I gotta be honest with you because again, the facial expressions between Kyle and Dorit were like out of control. And I wonder, were they really doing that so much or did production take a couple of looks from them and just keep replaying them? Because it was both of them.

Lori (24:40.202)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (24:48.59)
a good day.

Lori (24:48.938)
and just keep using them over. I know they replayed Jennifer, I know they replayed Jennifer Tilly's one eye roll. They use that twice. And I was like, I'm clocking you, you're using that twice.

Kelli (24:59.19)
Yeah, that's

Yeah, I'm saying.

Wendy (25:02.67)
I mean, they absolutely could have done that. It's very possible, but I did notice that. There was, there absolutely was, there was. So then Andy said to Dorit, watch what happens live. You called Sutton a social climber. And Sutton's like, that's ridiculous. And Kathy's like, explain to her you're a social lake, not a social climber. Again, perfect timing, Kathy, perfect timing. Dorit said, well, like,

Lori (25:05.236)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (25:06.378)
It was a lot on both of them.

Yeah.

Lori (25:23.259)
Yeah. You need to go right. That's great.

Wendy (25:31.008)
a part of your world, like you like to be invited to parties. And Andy said, I just want to point out with the exception of Rachel Zoe that Sutton has been to the Met Gala many times and Bose is like, uh-uh, excuse me, I've been there too. Don't leave me out. And Andy seems like, Andy said Sutton actually is a socialite. And I do think that she is. She is a socialite. She does like to go out. She is invited to parties. People have said that Dorit,

Lori (25:51.946)
Yeah, she actually is. I think she is too.

Wendy (26:00.792)
does not like to go out. She doesn't go to parties. You're not gonna see her on the red carpet, which is true. She doesn't. Right.

Kelli (26:06.326)
And she said it. She said it. That's not my world. That's not my life.

Wendy (26:11.308)
Right. So I do think that

Lori (26:13.662)
I think she meant it in a way.

in accordance with Kyle and Hilton's. I think that's what she meant by the social climb.

Kelli (26:23.006)
I agree with you, and I think she's right.

Wendy (26:24.642)
Well, that is probably what she meant, I don't think she needs to be a social climber because she is a social light and she was already friends with the Hiltons.

Lori (26:31.452)
Right, but... Right.

Kelli (26:32.064)
Right, but maybe she wasn't going to Kathy Hilton's parties prior to becoming friends with Kyle. And I really think she threw her friendship with Garcelle right under the bus to be in Good Graces with Kyle. I firmly stand on that. And I think it had all to do with going to Kathy Hilton's parties and being in that world. I mean, if we have learned nothing,

Lori (26:57.556)
Just being in that circle. Yeah, I understand that she is... Right. I understand that, and you're right, I agree with you, that Sutton is in that world already, but it's all about what is in Sutton's mind. Like if Sutton was to do something, per se, as we talked about before, where she would do something in order to be on Kyle's side or in Kyle's good graces.

Kelli (27:01.516)
Kathy Hilton is running Hollywood, let's face it.

Lori (27:26.516)
It wouldn't be because she needs the money. It wouldn't be because she needs a job. It's because that's what she wants. It's what she likes. She wants to be in that inner sanctum gig. Yeah. I just think it's something that she wants.

Kelli (27:39.958)
the Richard Sisters.

And she probably doesn't need to do it in any other area of her life. it's just that.

Wendy (27:45.869)
I mean.

Lori (27:47.782)
No. No.

Wendy (27:51.128)
think she needs to do it. I don't think she needs to do it in this area either. I think it's just something that happens to be. You know, she was friends with Jennifer Tilly.

Kelli (27:58.115)
But if she weren't being invited to the parties that Kathy Hilton were throwing prior to this, she's gonna probably do certain things to make sure she is now. Or did certain things to make sure she was. You know what I mean? Now she's in it. Now she's in the Kathy Hilton circle. It's very clear. But maybe she wasn't before. And Erica, I said it before.

Erica never cared about Kathy Hilton's parties when she was with Tom Girardi and living her life and the lavish life and blah blah blah.

Lori (28:31.762)
Erica needs her job. Erica needs her job. So I think if Sutton were to do something to stay within Kyle's good graces, it would be because of Sutton wants that kind of attention, approval, blah, blah, blah, even though she doesn't need it at all. Money-wise, social standing-wise. If Erica was to do something to stay within Kyle's social circle,

Kelli (28:35.903)
Exactly.

Lori (28:57.906)
or that group or allegiance or whatever, it's because she needs her job. She needs her job.

Kelli (29:03.362)
Yes.

Wendy (29:03.992)
So it's so funny. Kelly, remember we were talking about Lisa Rinna's book and Lisa Rinna said one of the housewives came to her and you said it was Erica and I said no way, she would never do that. think for sure it was Dorit. But then I said to you very recently it was definitely Erica because of something that she said in an interview that when this whole thing went down and I believe she was referring to the Italy thing because she again brought it up.

at the reunion, she was considering quitting because it bothered her that much. And you are absolutely right. She does need the job, but she doesn't need the job to her detriment. Like she's not that person that's going to do whatever it takes is what I'm saying to you.

Kelli (29:37.293)
Yeah.

Lori (29:44.181)
need to do.

Kelli (29:52.685)
You got something right. And I think you're right. Something is something's driving these women to be on these shows, right? Like the three of us can all agree we'd probably never do that. I mean, I, right. Like, I mean, I'm not in a financial state where anybody would ever want me to be on the show, but I'm just saying like something's driving these women to be on the show. Now, like Lori said, like,

Lori (30:06.752)
Be in a reality TV show.

Lori (30:11.37)
Like a thousand trillion percent.

Wendy (30:15.906)
Right.

Kelli (30:20.568)
Clearly for Sutton, it is not about the money. I think Sutton likes being in this world now though. And in Sutton's, not even in her defense, to be on her side, F her ex-husband. He is a douchebag with a capital D. And I hope she does stay on the show and I hope we see her.

Wendy (30:23.992)
Right.

Lori (30:42.656)
Absolutely.

Kelli (30:46.872)
dating and finding a true love with an amazing guy because F him, you know what I mean? And maybe that's what's motivating her to be on the show. Erica, I do think it's monetary. I do think that she has ethics, yes, morals and certain things she probably wouldn't let go.

Lori (30:48.854)
Happy.

Lori (30:52.724)
Absolutely. Yes, absolutely.

Lori (31:05.236)
a threshold of what you'll do and not do in order to keep that.

Kelli (31:16.288)
and continue on. But something's motivating these women to be on these shows because you're not doing it for the fun of it because it doesn't look like very much fun anymore.

Lori (31:17.663)
And you know...

Lori (31:21.182)
And the whole thing went...

No, no fun. No. And the whole thing with, you know, Erica getting really upset that Dorit said that is because that's kind of like one I would imagine. That's one of those like unspoken things. Like you're not supposed to say that I need to do shit to keep my job, because that's really what that job is about. Like it's. That's a kind of a thing.

Kelli (31:50.54)
Yeah, they like broke the fourth wall.

Wendy (31:53.87)
They do, they break the fourth wall all the time.

Kelli (31:56.8)
All the time now.

Lori (31:58.805)
I just think that she didn't like, I think that Erica was hurt, but I also think that she didn't like Dorit dangling that fish out there about how it really operates.

Wendy (31:58.978)
Yeah.

Kelli (32:12.3)
Yes. Yeah. You're absolutely right.

Wendy (32:16.76)
So Dorit says to Sutton, like, were you offended when I called you a social climber? you know, Sutton's like, well, it's not the nicest thing to say. So then Dorit says, so I apologize. And Sutton said, OK. Then Dorit said, you bought that apology? And did you see the look on everyone's face? And he, and, but, but that's where it went. Right.

Kelli (32:34.712)
That was wild. Yes. Yes, because it was outlandish.

Lori (32:40.182)
Because she's just being a bitch.

Wendy (32:44.268)
Like, why didn't Andy go into that? Why didn't, why did, why did that just get dropped right there? I was like, wait, what?

Lori (32:44.406)
Just be in the pitch. Just be in the pitch.

Kelli (32:51.874)
But maybe he did and we didn't see it. Like again, it's all about production, right? So I thought I saw the episode because of all the clips that I saw over the past week. Now I saw those clips on people's social media, not Bravo's, other people's, right? So Bravo's releasing pieces of an already edited version of what they want us to see.

Lori (32:54.388)
Right. It's all about production.

Wendy (32:55.662)
it's so true though. It's so true.

Wendy (33:02.583)
Yeah.

Lori (33:09.92)
Yeah, I don't know what's going on.

Lori (33:17.618)
Right. What you want to say?

Kelli (33:19.296)
Somebody leaks the summer house audio and Bravo loses its shit You know why because they didn't have a chance to edit it yet because we're actually hearing the exact conversation the raw in real-time conversation and they haven't had a chance to twist it and Present it to us on a platter the way they want to Yeah

Wendy (33:28.558)
Right, it wasn't edited.

The raw right.

Lori (33:33.194)
that's going on.

Lori (33:41.259)
how they want it. Okay, I just gotta tell you something. I know I'm skipping, but I don't care. I thought it was wild. I was like, hold the bus. Sutton is having the conversation with Erica and saying, this is the first year I haven't had a sip of alcohol, but I almost fell off my seat. Erica says, well, she hasn't had a sip this morning. Who drinks in the morning before work?

Kelli (34:09.388)
Well, I think when you're getting ready to shoot a 12 hour reunion, you might. You might.

Lori (34:16.392)
I was thinking to myself, well, girl, something you you must have had something going on because who drinks in the morning before work?

Kelli (34:30.038)
Yeah, I took it as...

Wendy (34:30.456)
Was Erica saying that about herself or was she saying that about Sutton?

Lori (34:32.846)
know about Sutton. And I was like, woo.

Kelli (34:33.954)
She was saying it about Sutton. She was saying it about Sutton, but I took it as like, yeah, she hasn't had a drink, because I think that they do, mean, certain franchises are allowed to drink at reunions and certain ones aren't.

Lori (34:49.958)
But she said this I guess the key for me was this morning. I was just like, whoa.

Kelli (34:53.868)
this morning. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (35:00.31)
Yeah.

Wendy (35:05.282)
What about when Andy asked...

the ladies to raise their hand if they were more dominant in bed. Okay. I have no idea.

Kelli (35:15.416)
Yeah, what was that about? And why didn't Erica raise her hand? We're all waiting for Erica to raise her hand.

Lori (35:17.396)
I don't wanna know that.

Wendy (35:21.366)
Well, you know who did race?

Lori (35:21.526)
Because I bet you that I bet you that she's the opposite.

Kelli (35:30.808)
she might be.

Wendy (35:31.106)
Honestly, well, did you see who did raise their hand? You didn't. Only one person actually raised their hand and it was Jennifer. Jennifer raised her hand and he didn't even acknowledge it. Dorit said, Dorit said when he asked the question, I could be either. Jennifer raised her hand, but nobody actually acknowledged it. And he said, Erica, she said, what do you think is happening to me in bed right now? I'm getting punished and I love it.

Kelli (35:41.922)
Well yeah, that checks out too.

Lori (35:48.116)
I can be both, right?

Wendy (36:01.11)
So that says to me it's the opposite, But yeah, Rachel said.

Lori (36:04.074)
That's what I'm saying. think she's, I think she presents one thing, but then the reality is it's, it's totally another.

Kelli (36:04.684)
Right. Right.

Wendy (36:11.48)
She's submissive. Yeah, that's exactly what I think. And I think that's what she said. And then Rachel's like, yeah, Erica's definitely the dominant one. I'm like, did you not just hear what she said? Right, right.

Lori (36:21.236)
Because that's what she portrayed. Yeah, because that's what you would think. Like that's your normal reaction to her.

Wendy (36:27.36)
Yeah. Then Andy brings up about how Dorit was the belle of the wall at speed dating. And he said, are you dating anyone? And she said, well, no, but soon, some point soon.

Lori (36:47.274)
And that's part of Duri's problem. She needs some day.

Kelli (36:51.682)
She does need some day. She does need some day.

Wendy (36:55.458)
Yeah.

So Andy then says to Kyle, what would you do if Moe started dating, he, one of your friends? And Bo's says, hell no. Right, they were talking about Sutton's ex, right. So Bo's is like, hell no. And Kyle said, I'd kill them. And Bo said, and we would help you. Like, I do like, I mean, did you guys listen to that interview with Bo's on 2Ts?

Kelli (37:07.512)
Because they were talking about Sutton's ex, right?

Lori (37:09.791)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (37:24.886)
No, I won't listen to them.

Wendy (37:27.032)
my God, it was so good. learned so much about her. I actually, I think it was on 2Ts. I sent it to you guys.

Kelli (37:33.62)
you know what? It must not have been 2Ts because whatever you sent us, I was going to listen to and just didn't have time. But I won't listen to 2Ts. I'm good on them. You did send us one though. I don't think it was with 2Ts.

Wendy (37:47.886)
It, whatever, Yeah. I don't know what it was on. But she gave out a lot of information. Like, now I can't remember what it was, because I listened to it like a week ago, or a couple days ago, which might as well be a week for me, because it's like, it's so funny to me. was thinking.

Lori (38:03.552)
Mm-hmm. It's all blending. Yes. I got it.

Kelli (38:07.32)
You sent us the Joe Ellen with the two T's.

Wendy (38:11.37)
Joellen with two T's was really good too. I learned a lot there too. I was amazed.

Kelli (38:15.965)
Bose was with Heather McDonald. I'll definitely listen to that, yeah.

Lori (38:19.693)
yeah, I like her.

Wendy (38:19.84)
Okay, Heather McDonald. Heather McDonald. Okay, so hers was with Heather McDonald. You should listen to the Joellen one. I'm telling you, it's good.

Kelli (38:27.98)
I'll listen to her on anybody else's podcast.

Wendy (38:35.274)
Okay.

Lori (38:36.488)
If I could figure out how to listen to a podcast, maybe I'll listen to it for you, Kelly. Okay. I'll try that. Okay. Just click. Okay. I think I could do that. Click on it.

Wendy (38:40.482)
Just click on the link I send you, Lori. I sent you a link, just click on it. Click on the link. But what I was gonna say, it's so amazing to me. It's only Amanda that I've noticed that does this. Amanda remembers what she said when she said it almost word for word. I cannot remember what I said 10 effing minutes ago, let alone her...

Lori (39:01.151)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (39:05.812)
Nope. Nope.

Kelli (39:07.0)
Yeah, but good for her because how many times, we should have played a drinking game. How many times did Amanda say to Bo's, you said this and Bo said, I did not, don't do that. And then they roll tape and she said it.

Lori (39:09.056)
Yeah.

for how many times.

Lori (39:17.908)
Roll it, we're all set!

Wendy (39:21.3)
I wonder if she has like that photographic memory, that person that has, because every time she does it, I am sitting there like, I don't know what I said 10 minutes ago. She's recalling something that happened eight months ago? Like.

Lori (39:24.202)
I believe that she does.

Kelli (39:35.5)
Yes.

Lori (39:35.584)
But she's actually a lot younger, so you forget. We could have been that smart back in the day. And we just forget. We forget that we were that smart.

Wendy (39:39.478)
Well, I don't think so, though.

Kelli (39:39.564)
that's That's true.

Wendy (39:48.91)
So Rachel said, well, what if it was, going back to Kyle, if Mo started dating one of her friends, what if it was eight years from now? And she said, and Bo's is like, there's no statute of limitations. There's not. No, you cannot date one of my friends.

Wendy (40:09.102)
And then Kyle said, oh no, then Dorit said, would you do that? Cause she said, I'm going to kill him. She said, would you do that publicly? She's like, kill him publicly. She said, would you be mad at him publicly and speaking about it publicly? And Kyle said, well, I, right. Kyle said, Oh, I see what you're doing. You're making this about you. Got it.

Lori (40:22.708)
Yeah, talk about your hurt and anger publicly.

Kelli (40:31.52)
It was perfectly appropriate though.

Wendy (40:31.81)
I think she was.

Lori (40:35.343)
That's what I'm saying. Even though she was making it about her.

Wendy (40:35.81)
think she was. I think she was making it about her.

Kelli (40:38.882)
she was definitely making it about herself. And I think it was totally appropriate for her to do so in that moment. She was trying to prove a point to Kyle. Like, yes, I am just, this is my life. I'm on a reality TV show. I'm gonna talk about it. You're choosing not to, but you're judging me for doing it. And you're choosing not to because ultimately you want your husband to come back to you and you don't understand or can't comprehend.

Lori (40:44.63)
Absolutely.

Lori (40:58.646)
That's where I thought she was coming from.

Kelli (41:08.286)
I don't. And I do think, I do agree with you that Dorit is jealous of Kyle in certain ways, certainly the financial situation and the amicability between she and Moe, but I do think that Kyle envies Dorit because she does not give an F about PK anymore. There is no love lost there. Yep.

Lori (41:09.856)
Right, that's.

Lori (41:28.02)
Right, scorched earth. Right. And I think as much as Kyle is proud of herself, and she should be, for handling her divorce the way she has handled, I think there has got to be a part of her that's like, I just wish I could just call Moe that cheatin' motherfucker that he is. But she doesn't. But I think at some level, there's gotta be something where she was just like, you know?

Kelli (41:34.946)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Kelli (41:48.245)
Exactly.

Kelli (41:56.333)
Yeah. Yeah. I totally agree.

Wendy (41:59.852)
Yeah.

So then Andy moves on to Bose and her road to her happily ever after and we get to see her Bose package, know, her everything that she's got going on and she talks about, you know, she's... Okay.

Lori (42:13.19)
Wait a second. Wait a second. How about when they were still talking about that thing with the and Kathy Hilton is like, I forget what they were talking about. Kathy Hilton is like, no money, no honey.

Kelli (42:26.102)
That's right. because it's, it's, it is part of the Bose package. It is part of the Bose package. No money, no honey. She should put that on a shirt.

Lori (42:29.174)
okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. That was great. was like, Kathy, I love you. Yes.

Wendy (42:29.56)
That's the Bose. It's part of the Bose package.

Wendy (42:36.716)
Yeah, yeah, it is part of the Bose package. Yes.

Yes, so she starts saying about the wedding, she's like, I don't know what made me decide to have two weddings on two different continents. And yeah, I don't know what made you decide to do that either, but yeah, that's a big undertaking.

Lori (42:53.352)
Yeah, it's a lot.

Kelli (42:54.464)
One's plenty. It's not your first, by the way.

Wendy (43:00.332)
That's what she talked a lot about actually. Actually, now that you just brought that up. She talked about on Heather McDonald, she talked about her father and where he was born and how he came over here and what happened with her husband that passed away and what the separation and how the whole thing she gives so many details and the thing that she said about her father.

She said to Heather McDonald, she said, you know what? I've never actually said that before. Like, it's very interesting. And I thought to myself, she is very, very interesting. She's got a lot of depth to her. There's a lot. She is very, very articulate, very intelligent. I just would love to know more about Bose, because I don't feel like we've seen it because we've spent so much time coddling Dorie, to be honest with you. Right? Right?

Lori (43:32.852)
definitely a very interesting person.

Lori (43:46.822)
stupid durian yeah yeah and i think god yeah

Kelli (43:47.501)
Yeah, yeah, that's for sure. know, Bo should really write a book because between her professional life and, you know, even just losing her husband and I think if she, think, you know what, I'm gonna look into it because if she has written a book at this point, I would have thought it would have been more like a art of the deal type of thing. You know what I mean? Not about her. I'll look into it though, cause I would definitely read her book.

Lori (43:56.062)
in person way.

Wendy (43:56.29)
I think she did, didn't she? Yeah.

Lori (44:05.044)
I'd read that.

Lori (44:09.908)
Right, right, right, Not about her. And I think that is part of her problem with Amanda is that she has worked so hard being a woman, being a black woman, the feel that she has, she has busted her ass. And then she looks at this little pretty blonde white girl and she just, ooh, let me just think up some money.

Wendy (44:12.812)
Right. Yeah.

Kelli (44:23.19)
For sure.

Kelli (44:31.34)
Yeah.

Kelli (44:39.348)
If you think you want money, you'll get it.

Lori (44:41.814)
You'll get it. I can't blame her. I can't blame her. can't blame her.

Kelli (44:48.396)
Manifest it! That was the best at the end. She's like, I'm manifest it. Never hearing the word manifest again.

Lori (44:52.903)
We're manifest again. Yeah, I think I think that's the deal. I think that's why I meant it just like pisses her off and I and I can't blame

Kelli (44:58.968)
For sure. Yeah.

Wendy (44:59.074)
rubs her the wrong way. I think so too. And then she did say the thing about, Andy asked her about all the slack she got from people about the dinner where Keely was really open and honest and said, you know, what happens if I, and listen, I think the way she answered it was perfectly fine. And when you listen to her on Heather McDonald,

You know, she talks about the fertility, the reason she chose that doctor in Las Vegas, because she is a well-known black doctor who deals with fertility. And she went on for this mortality rates of black women. Yes, yes. So I mean, everything that she does, there's a reason for it. You know, there's a reason for everything she does. Absolutely. Then,

Lori (45:39.283)
black mothers. Absolutely. Yep. Absolutely.

Lori (45:45.706)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (45:46.028)
Yeah, she does her research, she's smart. Yeah.

Wendy (45:53.326)
Andy brings up about on Watch What Happens Live, Boze, you said that Amanda was good at scamming. Boze said that that was harsh. And she's like, I'm sorry, I didn't actually mean it. She's like, I was pretty angry. No, I don't think she did. I don't think she did.

Lori (46:07.51)
You did. She did.

Kelli (46:11.082)
It's very easy to say things about people when they're not in the room, right?

Lori (46:15.156)
Right. Absolutely.

Wendy (46:15.896)
But it was like a speed round thing. Like the question was like, you know what I mean? You know, it was like...

Lori (46:18.134)
Right, was a speed thing, yeah.

Kelli (46:18.274)
Yes, yeah, yeah. But if Amanda were sitting there, I'm sure that wouldn't have come out of her mouth.

Lori (46:24.637)
Amen.

Lori (46:28.906)
Well, I'm sure it was like an off the cuff thing like the like the Pinocchio thing was an off the cuff thing. It's not.

Wendy (46:29.048)
She said it was petty. She said it was...

Wendy (46:35.022)
Right, right.

So she apologized for it. Amanda said, thank you. Then they brought up the Pinocchio thing and Andy asked if you feel like you owe her an apology. And she said, listen, you know, here's the thing. You know, I say a lot of shady stuff under my breath. And she's like, that one was just like such a throwaway. And it really was a throwaway. And she only said Amanda's name. She did not say the Pinocchio comment.

So she didn't really know, but she did apologize even on Instagram way back when it came out.

Lori (47:10.493)
Right, right.

Kelli (47:11.65)
You know what's interesting? The fact that, because I think we saw a little bit of this, but we didn't see a whole lot. The fact that all of them, all of them were in agreement that they kept asking what was said before Amanda's name?

Lori (47:30.432)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (47:31.828)
And Natalie wouldn't just say it.

Lori (47:34.74)
Nope. She was trying to be too safe.

Kelli (47:39.416)
Right. Right.

Lori (47:40.406)
She's trying to be too safe.

Wendy (47:42.53)
Did either of you listen to Natalie's interview on Heather McDonald's?

Kelli (47:46.616)
I've been listening to her lately too. I don't know why I missed this.

Wendy (47:48.398)
Apparently you have not. I sent you guys that too. That was actually... That was a good one too. mean, when you get a chance, listen to it. That one I listened to even...

Kelli (47:55.081)
I know.

Lori (47:55.638)
Well, we're bunch of losers, Kelly.

Kelli (47:58.211)
I've been listening to podcasts though, can't.

Kelli (48:06.676)
I did just listen to Lala and Randall's other ex on there and that was great. Margaret Joseph, I've listened to twice now, Jeff Lewis and she was just on reality court. I'll listen to Margaret on any podcast she's on.

Wendy (48:13.613)
I told-

Wendy (48:20.29)
I heard her on reality court.

I didn't hear her on Jeff Lewis, but I heard her on Reality Court.

Okay, I'm trying to get through this. We're at 48 minutes and I don't want to keep going on and on. Andy asked...

Kelli (48:39.596)
Just skip anything about Dorit.

Lori (48:39.786)
Find a good boat.

Wendy (48:42.636)
All right, that's what we're gonna do. We're gonna do that. So Andy asks, we're gonna move on to a sensitive topic. Something unfortunately Amanda and Bo's share in common.

I thought this was a weird question. He said, Amanda, was there any catharsis in sharing Zion's story with the world?

Wendy (49:05.012)
She said, surprisingly, yes, I didn't expect it. A lot of people have lost babies, like at early ages or in the NICU, and a lot of them have been thanking me, which I think that was a good answer.

Kelli (49:18.486)
I thought it was horrible, horrible that Bo said to her. She thought it was strategic when she brought it up at that table. Especially coming from someone who has experienced the same thing. I thought that was terrible.

Lori (49:26.762)
Yeah, I didn't, I did not.

Wendy (49:26.818)
Well, yes.

Lori (49:32.98)
Yeah, I didn't dig that either.

Wendy (49:35.31)
So what Andy said, Bose, you said this as an example of Amanda guarding information to use as currency. Bose said, yeah. And he said, what do you mean by that? She said, well, I have an experience that is similar. And when I face those anniversaries, there are some days when I can't get out of bed and it's very difficult to talk about any kind of death like that because people will shut down. So I just found it to be using it in a various strategic way as opposed to an emotional way. I 100 % agree with you.

just because that is how you felt about it doesn't mean that that's how she felt about it. Right.

Lori (50:08.64)
Right, everybody operates differently. I mean, I think that I have a feeling that Amanda really wasn't gonna bring it up unless somebody else brought it up. She told the people that she wanted to tell before she got there. But I think when faced with being confronted by Doreen, and Doreen's a kind of aggressive manner, she just kind of blurted it out. wasn't like...

Yeah, I don't agree. I didn't agree with that at all.

Wendy (50:40.044)
I totally agree with you, Lori. And I don't agree with Bo saying that. How can you tell someone how they need to react to something? And one of the things I think about Amanda, besides the fact that she's got this photographic memory, is I think that she very much compartmentalizes things. And I think that that's her way of dealing with things. That's not to say that she doesn't have those same...

Lori (50:43.894)
Mm.

how they should act or, yeah.

Lori (50:58.761)
Almost definitely.

Wendy (51:08.812)
reactions like Bose does, she just chose not to do it then on the actual anniversary. I think Amanda would say, okay, I'm at work right now. I will deal with this at another time. That's how I see Amanda dealing with stuff like that.

Lori (51:12.928)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (51:22.442)
at another time.

Wendy (51:31.126)
cause she, you know, she brings up too about the psychic, which is true. Like there was a psychic there that night. I mean, there was so much going on and honestly, I really thought the way that she answered it, the way that she responded to it, I think that it was good. I mean, she did have, there was a lot going on.

Lori (51:40.086)
Good luck on that, mate.

Kelli (51:40.556)
Yeah.

Kelli (51:46.422)
Yeah.

Wendy (51:58.38)
I didn't like it though either when Andy asked Amanda like a multi-part question. I don't even remember what it was. And she said, okay, I'm going to take these one at a time. And he like rolled his eyes or made a comment.

Lori (52:11.371)
Yeah.

Kelli (52:11.746)
Right. Now, I totally agree with you, unless that was production and he did that to something else and they used it there. But yeah, I forget her wording exactly too, but she was like, okay, I'm gonna answer it in parts or something. And he was like, it's like, what? I'm sorry, because Kyle and Doree aren't speaking at the moment. Like, is it her package or is it her package?

Lori (52:20.222)
And they used it. They're right.

Wendy (52:28.919)
Right, cause-

Lori (52:30.806)
What's your problem? Right.

Right.

Wendy (52:39.926)
Right, right. So Dorit and Amanda kind of move on about that because that was all about Dorit. Then Andy said, Andy brings up Kyle's concerns about, no, that's Dorit. We're not talking about it. I'm sorry. Erica. Dorit's yelling, nope, we're not talking about that. Bose is talking about Dorit.

Lori (52:55.092)
Yeah.

Lori (53:07.712)
Keep scrolling, Wendy, keep scrolling.

Kelli (53:09.272)
Thanks, girl.

Wendy (53:10.078)
I am. I'm scrolling.

Kelli (53:13.068)
Yeah, cause it was too much, Midori. It was just too much.

Wendy (53:14.626)
We're in the Hamptons talking, we're in the Hamptons, talking about Dorie.

Lori (53:22.122)
Yeah, she just can't, she certainly, though I will say this about her, she certainly cannot accept in any way, shape or form how any of her behaviors affect others. And she has no, she's absolute blinders on in regards to what anybody else is going through. Most definitely. I will definitely say that about her. What?

Wendy (53:23.118)
Doreen.

Wendy (53:47.116)
I totally agree. Okay, found something else that's not about to read. Yep.

When Kyle was trying to talk to Boz and like build a friendship with Boz, Boz had said something and Boz's response was, listen, I'm also not a psychic. She hadn't talked to her. When Boz said in her confessional about, I'm having a hard time defending Kyle if she doesn't show up to the book thing.

Lori (54:21.845)
Bye.

Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (54:25.512)
And Kyle felt away about that, right? She said, I'm not a psychic. I had no idea. I had talked to Sutton. Kyle says to Bo, I'm trying to have this friendship with you, and I love you, and I think you're amazing. And then I feel like we're never going to have this friendship because of the interaction that I have with Dorie, is basically what she was saying. And Kyle is saying to Bo, listen, is there room for us to have our own relationship, you and me, separate?

from my relationship and Bo said, yes, there is room. That I thought was a good scene because I do think that, I think that Kyle and Bo should have a relationship. And I think that it, like it shouldn't, you know, I think that that needs to happen. I think Bo's is amazing. I think we could all learn something from Bo's if we could just get to hear about it. Maybe Dorit just takes a year off so we can find out a little bit about Bo's.

Kelli (55:07.606)
Absolutely.

Kelli (55:23.282)
I think Boze is amazing too, but Boze needs to remember what she says because there was a lot of discrepancies this year with that boy. A lot. Every time she said something

Lori (55:27.722)
Yeah, absolutely. She's gone court a couple times.

Couple of times.

Kelli (55:41.218)
controversial. She didn't remember.

Lori (55:45.686)
She didn't remember, yeah. That only lasts for so long.

Kelli (55:47.944)
or not only didn't remember, denied saying it vehemently. Don't do that, don't do that. Well, you said it.

Lori (55:51.968)
did not. Right. Right.

Kelli (56:00.398)
Yeah.

Wendy (56:01.238)
All right, so I think then the only thing we can go to is the end when Erica's crying, but the whole problem is that still has to do with the D word, because I'm not even going say her name now anymore.

Lori (56:17.664)
But like I said, I feel like there's something a lit, there's a little more to, there's a little more to Erica being so upset. I don't know what it is. I just feel like there's something more.

Wendy (56:18.518)
I did like-

Kelli (56:33.068)
You know, she's gone through a lot of changes over the past couple of years and her life is extraordinarily different than it was. And I think she probably is like enough. Like, you know, I don't want to lose another person. I don't want another part of my life to change. I'm on this show. I was the closest with these two people. Now they're at each other's throats. Now I'm getting thrown in the middle of it. Like, come on.

Lori (56:51.115)
Bye.

Right.

Kelli (57:04.342)
Maybe there's something else, but that would be enough to be like, dear lord, enough.

Wendy (57:04.653)
Yeah.

Lori (57:06.026)
I don't know.

Wendy (57:11.116)
Right. And basically the way it ends is, know, Kyle was trying to repair and Erica says to her, listen, you're fighting too hard for a friendship that doesn't exist. And then she's like, listen, I'm now I'm not even fighting for that. That's whatever. I'm fighting for my character. Like she's saying things about my character. Bottom line was Erica's like, listen, I wish I had the Dorit that I knew before, but until she's

ready to come back, I think I'm good to take a break. And that really set Dorit off, boy. Even though she said she wanted to take a break, that really set her off. And you know.

Kelli (57:49.528)
How about Kathy saying, how about Kathy saying, God.

Lori (57:49.558)
Well, did play the clip of Erica saying, know who your friends are.

Kelli (58:00.077)
Right, right. But Cathy's saying to Dorit, basically I feel like you're paying, being more sensitive to the way Erica feels and to your friendship with her than my baby sister. But again, I really think this comes down to what Kyle said, what she insinuated, and how it's going to affect Dorit in the future, because it's going to, and we haven't even seen how yet.

Lori (58:02.113)
So.

Lori (58:11.572)
Erica.

then. Absolutely.

Kelli (58:30.284)
And that's probably very scary for her.

Lori (58:34.184)
And probably she keeps talking about her behind her back when they're not even really friends and she keeps putting this facade on like I'm so concerned. I don't buy it. I'm not buying it. I'm not buying your bread.

Kelli (58:45.462)
Yeah.

I don't buy it either. I really don't. Right.

I don't buy it either. And I think it has a lot to do with Mo and PK's friendship, which Kyle, man.

Lori (58:55.126)
So I think that's part of it.

Lori (58:59.516)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Kelli (59:02.626)
Just cut the cord. Cut the cord.

Wendy (59:02.99)
I don't know, we'll have to wait and see what happens for season 16.

Lori (59:06.32)
Yeah, needs to be cut. Koki, wait, wait, wait, wait. So I really suck with numbers. But I saw, did you guys see this social media thing about PK is putting out there that he had done some investigation for leading up to the divorce that Dorit has spent like...

I'm so bad. I want to say a million or 11 million. Like all this money on clothes, like all these designer clothes over the past year. And he's making it sound like she spent all this money on all these clothes, but didn't pay the mortgage. Meanwhile, but that makes no sense to me. Who in the right mind would give her money?

Kelli (59:54.892)
He was supposed to be paid the mortgage.

Lori (59:59.531)
to pay the mortgage, like that's not making sense. That's not making sense to me. So there's supposedly $16 million like in debt with the house. And now he's trying to say, well, I gave her all this money, but she spent a million dollars last year on all these clothes instead of paying the mortgage. And I was thinking to myself.

What?

Kelli (01:00:23.18)
Yeah, did you pay the mortgage or did you give her the money to pay the mortgage? Because that was dumb.

Lori (01:00:26.942)
Right. Yeah. what, what. So that was not making sense to me. So you guys will have to look for that.

Kelli (01:00:34.21)
But again, he's saying this, right, in an interview, and it goes back to Kyle saying, saying she's spending excessive amounts of money.

Wendy (01:00:38.798)
Wait, was he saying it? No,

Wendy (01:00:45.186)
But wait, did he say this in an interview or you saw this on a post? And was it a real post or was it like an AI post? Like was it on page six?

Lori (01:00:50.982)
No, no, no, no, I think, no, I think it was a real post. I think it was a real post. We'll have to look it up.

Kelli (01:00:59.672)
So the two things so far we've heard him bring up can be tracked back to what Kyle was saying this season. Erratic behavior. I'm only concerned about the well-being of my children. And she didn't pay the mortgage, she bought all these clothes. She's spending an excessive amount of money for somebody who's in a financial dire straits. Like, this is what's happening.

Lori (01:01:20.606)
Right, not paying for the kids. Here, let's see, one million shopping spree, so.

Wendy (01:01:28.984)
Where is this though? What is it on?

Lori (01:01:39.222)
It's just people talking about it. That this is something that he put out.

Lori (01:01:52.116)
I don't know. court docs suggest Doreen spending one million on clothing while six million in debt. So somebody out there saying court documents. So I don't know. But it just didn't make sense to me because you're giving her money to pay it. What's that? So it just doesn't, you know, there's just certain things that don't necessarily sometimes.

Wendy (01:02:08.824)
Yeah.

Wendy (01:02:19.356)
there's always things that don't add up.

Lori (01:02:20.266)
The math ain't math and I'm not a math-er.

Lori (01:02:25.814)
So we'll have to say what happens with all.

Wendy (01:02:29.112)
We'll definitely have to wait and see. All right, so until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye.

Kelli (01:02:38.636)
Bye.

Lori (01:02:38.817)
Bye. All right, girls.