RHOP Reunion Part 3 Recap: Explosive Accusations & Karen’s Shocking Confession

Wendy (00:00.92)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. We are talking about Real Housewives of Potomac Reunion Part 3. This is it. This is it for the season. So we start out with Mia in the back crying. She had walked off at the end of last episode. And Andy and the rest of the ladies are out on the stage.

Kelli (00:03.446)
I'm Kelly.

Kelli (00:09.815)
This is it, right?

Mm-hmm.

Wendy (00:27.808)
And Andy announces that the men are not coming out, which

Kelli (00:30.827)
Yeah, that was interesting. Well, I guess it was only Eddie and Greg. mean, and it's not like they were involved in any drama and based on Greg's participation this season, it's not like he was gonna go deep into their relationship or anything like that. So.

Wendy (00:34.656)
Right.

Wendy (00:46.868)
Right, right. It was kind of a tease though, the fact that they were there and I, well, I'm sure Greg was happy to not be going out on stage. And then Andy starts out and asks Stacey, invited TJ to be here and you didn't want him to come. And she said, well, we're, you know, we're no longer together. And you know, we know Andy knew the information at this point. So then Wendy said, well, Eddie's here and

Kelli (00:55.819)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (01:16.844)
He just FaceTime with TJ and asked why he wasn't there. And he said that you paid him to be your love interest. And you still owe him money. And I will say, I thought based on Stacey's reaction, that that is not true. She did not react to me like that was true. She was very shocked in my opinion.

Kelli (01:29.635)
Mm.

Wendy (01:47.236)
and very composed.

Kelli (01:51.011)
I'm on the fence. I don't know who I believe. I'm not gonna lie. Because if I were Stacey and they said, call him, I would have called him in a hot second. And I do think she was very composed, but I also feel like she was in shock. Could be she was in shock because it's a lie and she can't believe he would say that, or it could be she's in shock because it's not a lie and she can't believe he said that. You know, I don't know.

Wendy (01:54.136)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (02:19.893)
I don't trust him at all, so I definitely wanna believe Stacey. I just, I feel like if it were me, I'd be like, fuck yeah, I'm calling him. I'm gonna call him right now.

Wendy (02:30.36)
I wouldn't call him on camera because I think he's a loose cannon and who knows what he's gonna say. I mean he may make it look, right, he may make it look way worse than it is already. And if he really was being paid then why isn't he showing the receipts?

Kelli (02:34.593)
Well, that's true. That's true. He's definitely a loose cannon.

Kelli (02:45.453)
Well, I totally agree with you because that would be easy to do unless she was paying him cash.

Wendy (02:50.284)
I mean, why would she though? Like she said, why would she? Like she doesn't need to do that. She wasn't invited on the show because TJ was coming with her.

Kelli (03:01.983)
No, I totally agree with that. Cause did you see, watch what happens live with her friend AJ? Is that his name? AJ? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, she didn't need him. I quite, I like Stacey. I thought she was good on the show, but she didn't, she didn't bring a lot. And what she did bring with TJ was like, gave you the ick. So it's not even like that was a selling point. I like her.

Wendy (03:07.146)
AJ, yeah.

Kelli (03:28.771)
I'd like to see her on again. I didn't think she wanted a divorce. I didn't get the impression she wanted to get divorced. So I wonder if her husband's the one who initiated that.

Wendy (03:39.768)
I think he may have been because I got the impression too either that or just while we watched her go through the process it was just really hitting her. Which you know I could see that would you know be the case as well.

Kelli (03:41.345)
Yeah.

Kelli (03:47.903)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (03:53.035)
I definitely want to believe her. Real quick, when they were still showing Mia, when she goes in and says, this off of me, she says to the producers, not my kids, because they brought up her kids. Okay, you put your kid's paternity question on blast for the whole world to see. You did that. And you also mentioned Gisele's kids in a much worse light.

Wendy (03:56.418)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (04:02.381)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (04:07.502)
Yes.

Wendy (04:15.479)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (04:22.485)
So you can't say not my kids. And Jacqueline never got up to go check on her. She planted her ass on that couch and she did not move. And that's your girl. And she did not once get up and check on her even when she knew she was not coming back.

Wendy (04:23.64)
Yeah.

Wendy (04:38.242)
Well, I mean, they were in the middle of filming and

Kelli (04:40.983)
But they were took a break at the time they took a break. She didn't go, she didn't go like see how, you know, see Mia in her dressing room before she left the building.

Wendy (04:51.724)
Yeah. Yeah, she didn't. She definitely didn't.

Kelli (04:54.211)
you

Wendy (04:59.352)
So even the fact when Stacey said like, you know, I would, then they, Andy said, well, you know, we have the footage and she's like, well, I would like to see that. And he's like, well, the problem is the camera is on Mia. And he goes, but Eddie's here. And they're like, bring him out. And even Stacey was like, bring him out. And I was like, okay. Yeah, because honestly, if she thought that that's what he was gonna say.

Kelli (05:21.501)
She said, I'm excited.

Wendy (05:28.886)
You know, I think she was shocked. really do.

Kelli (05:34.765)
She said TJ's hurt that he wasn't at the reunion and that they're no longer together. And he was like, it seems like he's hurt because you didn't pay him.

Wendy (05:44.276)
Right. And also she said, you know, he didn't like the way he shown by, he's saying by producers, he was shown the way that he was.

Kelli (05:54.923)
Yeah, I mean, think they played into, you I think producers are always gonna play into it. But yeah, you're giving them the, you know, the material, thank you, to work with.

Wendy (06:05.186)
The material. Yeah, yeah. He was shown, I think, exactly how he was. you know, the ladies kept saying to Stacey, like, he's not into you, you know? He's not into you. And for whatever reason, I think because I see her as the kind of person who believes people what they say to her, unless they prove her otherwise. And until she saw it back,

Kelli (06:29.88)
Yeah.

Wendy (06:35.01)
on TV, in her face, she didn't believe that this is what was happening, because in her mind, he was her best friend.

Kelli (06:43.553)
Yeah. See, the problem is that I think they're both actors and I think they're both acting. So it's hard. I think that the truth is somewhere there in the middle. I don't think that they were a couple. I don't think that they had any kind of intimate relationship and I don't mean physical. I don't know if she was paying him, but I think that he came on the show as her friend as a matter of convenience for both of them, for her to give her a storyline and for him to have exposure in the industry.

Wendy (07:12.408)
Yeah, but why not use AJ then? Because AJ is her friend. And like AJ said on Watch What Happens Live, he's an actor too.

Kelli (07:15.106)
because

Kelli (07:20.439)
Yeah, but maybe he doesn't need, like he didn't need it. TJ, you know, he's living the LA lifestyle, like he must've needed it. He was talking about, with Ray at at Wendy's birthday party, he was saying that he was, you he heard people were getting bigger bonuses than him, and so money was definitely an issue for him.

Wendy (07:39.939)
yeah, definitely. Definitely.

Kelli (07:41.973)
Yeah, I just, do think it was a matter of convenience that they pretended to be in a relationship on the show. But I don't necessarily know if she was paying him. She probably wasn't because, you know.

Wendy (07:52.076)
Yeah. I don't think she was paying him. And I really think that she thought he was her friend. I do. But, you know, who knows? Then we find out that, you know, Mia left and she's not coming back. Andy asks, Stacey, is it possible that you and TJ are not on the same page?

and that's when they bring out Eddie and you know, it's not that she thought Eddie was lying. It's just that she couldn't believe that he said that. And you know, that's the thing that like Wendy kept saying, well, you know, you're calling my husband a liar. And I don't really think that's what she was saying.

Kelli (08:32.161)
No, and listen, it all happened so fast. Like, give her a minute to think about what just happened.

Wendy (08:34.933)
Right, right.

Wendy (08:39.03)
Right, exactly, exactly.

Wendy (08:46.752)
And then Stacey says to Wendy, like, listen, I love you and out of respect for you, I love your husband and I don't know you two. I don't know you two to be liars. Like I'm believing what you're saying. And Stacey said, Ashley said, for the record, there's nothing wrong with it if you did pay him. Like if that's what you wanted to do, there's nothing wrong with it.

Stacey's like, I didn't need to pay TJ. I thought it was funny that Ash is like, well, if that's how you're going to do it, that's fine.

Kelli (09:22.627)
Yeah, first of all, who would ever admit that?

Wendy (09:25.407)
Right, right.

Kelli (09:27.651)
It's not fine.

Wendy (09:28.832)
Right.

Kelli (09:34.189)
So basically, Stacey, so he gets the video and he gets the video.

Wendy (09:39.202)
He gets the video and it's exactly what Eddie said. Yeah.

Kelli (09:41.922)
Yeah.

Wendy (09:45.398)
And Andy says to Stacey, you want to come over here and watch it? And she's like, well, I can't actually get up. guess the way she was sitting in her dress. Yeah. So he's like, all right, I'll come over to you. And then Asa's like, well, we want to see it. And Andy's like, just relax. So we see. Yeah. OK. I know. I know.

Kelli (09:52.609)
All those dresses were...

Kelli (09:59.053)
Yeah, relax. Like, it's it's her, it's about her.

Kelli (10:05.493)
She says, we're all invested. Like, come on, Ashley.

Wendy (10:14.74)
She said that it was hurtful to see him say that and that, you know, today she lost her friend. You know, she lost her best friend.

Kelli (10:22.391)
Yeah.

So she's basically saying he's lying. Stacey is now saying that TJ is just full on lying.

Wendy (10:30.474)
Right. And Giselle's saying, well, if he has Venmo or Zelle receipts or something, you know.

Kelli (10:32.162)
Okay.

Kelli (10:36.995)
Sure, and I think that Andy made a good point. Andy's like, you think maybe, like did you ever pay for a flight for him to come out here? Like did you ever like negotiate something like that? Like that was a good point because he could say she's paying me and it could have been in the form of that, but she's even denying that. And listen, if the guy's got receipts, let him produce the receipts. And if he doesn't, then he probably is lying.

Wendy (10:44.984)
Right.

Wendy (10:54.113)
Right, right.

Wendy (10:59.682)
Well, that's the whole thing, right?

Right. Because you would think if he wants to make this story stick, he's already burnt the bridge with Stacey, put the receipts out there. Put them out. Right. Right.

Kelli (11:11.861)
Exactly. Put them out. You have nothing to lose now. You said you're never coming back to DC. You never want to be part of this fake bullshit again. Put out the receipts.

Wendy (11:21.26)
Right. I mean, I don't know how they were expecting Stacey to prove that she wasn't lying. Like, how do you prove that? How do you prove that you didn't pay somebody? You can't. You can't prove that you didn't do something.

Kelli (11:32.459)
Right. Right.

Right. How wild was it that, did you watch Watch What Happens Live? So it was Stacey and I don't want you married to medicine, so I'm not sure what that Dr. Simone and her husband Cecil and Walter, Kenya's fake boyfriend was his nephew. That is wild.

Wendy (11:42.242)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (11:46.338)
Dr. Simone, Dr. Simone's husband, yes, was his nephew.

I know that is wild. And they said that they don't think Kenya paid him.

Kelli (12:02.455)
They were very vague about it. They were very, very vague about it. Like, I don't, I don't know, you know.

Wendy (12:06.54)
But doctors-

Dr. Simone was really hard on Stacey though.

Kelli (12:12.483)
she was hard on Stacey. But I think in a good way, in like a big sister way, like, come on.

Wendy (12:14.317)
I thought.

Wendy (12:21.1)
I didn't think so. think, listen, I think the Marriott and Medicine people are just dirty. yeah. So I've tried to watch it a couple times and every now and then when it's on, I'll watch it. They just go so low. Like, I don't know, a couple weeks ago it was on and I'm watching it and I don't remember who they set it to, but they sat one, they were on a trip and they sat one of the wives down and said, we're just not vibing with you. You need to pack your stuff and leave.

Kelli (12:22.242)
No.

Kelli (12:26.371)
Oh really? See I don't watch that show, I don't know anything about them.

Kelli (12:50.718)
damn.

Wendy (12:51.35)
I was like, what? Like, does that? And then they were just talking about something happened with Phaedra. So I don't know exactly, but it sounded like Phaedra didn't go to the reunion because Apollo was there with the woman that he cheated on Phaedra with and then married, and now she's divorcing him. So Phaedra has bad blood with this woman to begin with.

Kelli (12:54.113)
Wow.

Kelli (12:59.491)
Yeah, I didn't ca- I don't know, but I-

Kelli (13:15.107)
and now she's divorcing him.

Kelli (13:20.758)
Yeah

Wendy (13:21.384)
And I think at this point she already knew she was going back on Atlanta. So she's like, why am I going to go and put myself through this?

Kelli (13:29.549)
Well, that's what Dr. Simone said. She was all ready. She was ready to go with Atlanta. But she's missing that reunion paycheck.

Wendy (13:34.136)
Right.

Wendy (13:37.504)
Again, it's Phaedra. I don't think she cares. This is why I'm looking forward to Atlanta because I mean, Porsche is back, Phaedra's back. I hear there's some new, Cynthia Bailey's back. I can't wait to see Cynthia. Yeah, yeah, but I can't wait to see Cynthia back.

Kelli (13:40.117)
Yeah, she probably don't care. Good for her.

Kelli (13:51.011)
She's a friend of, right? Yeah. Yeah. no, me too. I always like seeing Cynthia in any capacity we can get her.

Wendy (13:56.714)
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So, you know, I'm excited for that. And then they go on a break again. Stacey, before they go on a break, Stacey. They definitely did. They definitely did.

Kelli (14:03.234)
Yeah.

Kelli (14:08.067)
I feel like they gave this too much time on the reunion though. Okay, I'm glad you agree with me. Cause I'm like, I actually have it written down. I'm like, this is too much. Even when she was on Watch What Happens Live and started talking about it, she went on too long about it. Like I know, I feel like she did. That's what makes me think maybe she's lying too. Like, you know what somebody says too much?

Wendy (14:15.491)
Yeah.

It was too much. It definitely was.

Wendy (14:26.2)
Well, Andy kept asking her questions.

Kelli (14:36.643)
typically means they're spinning tails. I don't know. I don't

Wendy (14:40.342)
I don't think she is. I don't know. So they go out, they come up on another break and then they come back and Andy asks Stacey, what's the best selling item you ever sold on QVC? And Stacey said jeans. And she said, you know, because I was wearing them. And Giselle and Ashley are like giving her shade about that. why? Cause you were wearing like, no, she was just saying that that was, it was nothing. Like don't make this into something that it's not. And that's.

Kelli (15:03.361)
Right. Exactly. Like what would you have preferred her to say? A blender? you know, she probably meant she sold a lot of them because she was wearing them and looked good in them and good for her.

Wendy (15:09.352)
Right. Right. Exactly.

Wendy (15:16.15)
Right. Right. And I think that's the point that they were throwing shade about. Like... Like...

Kelli (15:19.946)
Yeah, well.

Wendy (15:24.174)
So then Andy brings up what happened with Karen about being found guilty. And then they show all these playbacks and everyone's confessionals and what they're saying. And Andy's like, we're going to look at this all differently now because we know. And then he goes to some viewer questions. A viewer asked, we saw Karen denying having a drinking problem and abstaining from drinking on camera all season. Has anyone here seen this side of Karen? Do you think she was?

she has a drinking problem. And they all pretty much said yes. yes, Ashley said I think she uses alcohol to cope.

Kelli (16:01.901)
Yeah.

Wendy (16:02.766)
And he then says to Jacqueline, know, she really came hard for you. And it was because she made that comment about her drinking, you know, calling her up drunk. And he said, what about the eight balloons? Like, you know, that didn't really land. And she's trying to say that, you know, it was good intentions, but no, it wasn't. It was shade. It was totally shade. She wasn't invited. There was no reason for her to be there.

Kelli (16:12.386)
Yeah.

Kelli (16:23.883)
No it wasn't. Yeah. Total.

Wendy (16:30.776)
Then Andy says to Kay, you and Karen have been really close and what are your thoughts on it? And she basically just said that she was sad. the other question was, why do you think she decided to take this case to trial? And that's what we said as soon as we saw the tapes. And Giselle said, well, she had bad legal counsel, which is exactly what I said. And Giselle also said maybe she didn't remember what happened.

Kelli (16:52.045)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (16:59.619)
don't know if you can say she had bad legal counsel though, because I guarantee you those attorneys were like, take the deal. Take the deal. And she probably didn't. I mean, she ultimately has to be the one to make the choice. And I can't imagine any attorney, if six months house arrest was on the table, I mean, they should have jumped at that. She, yeah.

Wendy (17:03.524)
yes.

Wendy (17:11.052)
Yeah.

Wendy (17:25.504)
Exactly. They should have jumped at it. They should have. They should have said, Karen, if you don't want to take the deal, then you sit down and you watch these body cam footage that we have. You sit down and watch this and then you tell me you're not going to take the deal. I mean, that's bad legal counsel because she said she hadn't seen it.

Kelli (17:37.346)
Right.

Kelli (17:43.051)
I know if I believe her though. I think she saw those videos.

Wendy (17:46.262)
How could she have seen it and let it go to court?

Kelli (17:49.712)
She's Karen Huger. I think she thought she was just going to get away with this.

Wendy (17:55.768)
She said she didn't recognize herself, which, I mean...

Kelli (18:00.132)
I'm sure I'd feel the same way if I saw that. Nobody wants to see videos of themselves drunk.

Wendy (18:02.669)
Yeah.

Kelli (18:07.245)
But that was.

Wendy (18:08.608)
Yeah, that was bad. mean, and then Ray is, you know, sitting there playing the game with her.

Kelli (18:14.159)
He is ride or die, man. I don't know what she's got, Andre. But that man must have done some shit in his past and Karen is holding the bag because he is ride or die.

Wendy (18:17.825)
Yep.

Wendy (18:29.942)
He is ride or die.

Kelli (18:31.063)
That's crazy. mean, not only is he, you know, he's by her side, he's driving her to court, but what they filmed was absolutely ridiculous. It was absolutely staged. I mean, she's in full glam, sprawled out on her bed, like she's ready for a photo shoot. And Greg walks in with tea and sits down and asks her every pertinent question that she wants to answer. Crazy.

Wendy (18:40.898)
It was.

Wendy (18:44.672)
In bed. Yeah.

Wendy (18:58.114)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah. But I still really want to know because then Ashley did bring it up about the journalist texting her that there was someone else in the car and they play that footage where she says she didn't drive. Like why, why doesn't, I don't understand why that question isn't asked.

Kelli (19:15.809)
I know.

Kelli (19:20.267)
I don't know. I don't know. mean...

Wendy (19:26.582)
We know she had a driver!

Kelli (19:27.063)
So Ashley said the journalist told her that.

Wendy (19:30.327)
Right.

Kelli (19:32.003)
She's actually on camera saying someone hopped out of the car.

Wendy (19:35.852)
Yep. She said I didn't drive. She said that on camera, on the body cam footage. She said I didn't drive. The security that you hired for me.

Like, that's crazy.

Kelli (19:49.847)
Right.

Kelli (19:53.507)
Who is this blue eyes? Is that who it was?

Wendy (19:55.308)
Right. Well, I mean...

Wendy (20:00.897)
I don't know.

Kelli (20:02.808)
Yeah.

Kelli (20:06.327)
Yeah.

Wendy (20:06.52)
So then, you know, she also said that she was getting drinks with her girlfriends and Andy's like, well, none of the girlfriends ever came forward. Like, is that true? And then Giselle says, but we don't know how much of what Giselle says is true either.

Kelli (20:19.859)
I totally agree with that. I mean, even the plea deals that could have possibly been on the table, we don't know if that's true.

Wendy (20:22.956)
Right, don't, right, right. And she said she didn't hear it from a lawyer. These are Giselle's word on the street.

Kelli (20:28.779)
Right. She just said credible source. That's all she said, but who knows.

Wendy (20:33.694)
Right, right. She said that she was like four miles from her home and like she thought she could, she thought she could have made it. And I don't know. I don't know that that's true.

Kelli (20:40.771)
could've walked it.

Kelli (20:46.111)
It does look like it was, and I'm not making any excuses, I'm just saying it does look like it was a, not a very busy road, not a busy road at all that she was on.

Wendy (20:59.904)
Right. mean, if she didn't have an accident, she probably would have made it home. Right? I mean, it's not like there, like you said, it's not like there's a lot of traffic going up and down that road.

Kelli (21:03.969)
Totally. Totally.

Kelli (21:10.797)
Right. And just, Al and Ashley are like, just turn this off when they're playing the video.

Wendy (21:15.341)
Yeah.

Yeah, was, I mean, listen, I think it was worse watching her body cam footage though than watching her performance to be honest with you.

Kelli (21:26.173)
Well, yeah, definitely. then, so then Ashley says, this is a little wild though. She happened to run into someone on the train on the ride up that said, used to work at a seafood restaurant in a mall and Karen would go every day and day drink and get drunk. mean, Ashley just happened to sit across.

Wendy (21:46.136)
Yeah.

Wendy (21:49.656)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (21:52.631)
from this guy on the train and he was like, you're on that show, right? I mean, that sounded a little odd. I'm sure there are people who work in restaurants that saw Karen drunk, but I don't know if this person was necessarily sitting across from Ashley on the train.

Wendy (22:09.998)
I mean, it is possible, especially, I don't know. Because then Wendy corroborated it she's like, well, that's what I was gonna say. mean.

Kelli (22:15.201)
Maybe.

She's got a similar experience. Right. And she, I'm like, damn, what is Wendy gonna say? And she wouldn't say, and she wouldn't say it, but that's, that's what she was gonna say. She had a similar experience.

Wendy (22:27.82)
Yeah, she was gonna say that. Yeah, like she knows that, and she didn't name the restaurant, but there's a place that she would go daily and, you know, day drink. And this was, according to Ashley, well before her mother died. So this has been going on a long time.

Kelli (22:39.363)
Yeah.

Kelli (22:48.535)
Yeah. So see, that was the other thing when Karen was saying that she was self-medicating with antidepressants and upping her dosage.

I mean...

Wendy (23:01.858)
Well, she said that. I mean, she said she upped her dosage and then she mixed it with alcohol.

Kelli (23:06.252)
But she also said she was doing that without seeing a doctor. I mean, I don't know what the laws are in Maryland, but you can't up medicine, not that kind of medicine in the, well, can't up any medicine in the state of New Jersey without a doctor's prescription. So, you know, and of course she talks about losing her parents, which, you know, I can't even imagine, I don't ever want to, I know I will, but.

Wendy (23:10.584)
Right.

Wendy (23:35.372)
Right.

Kelli (23:35.555)
I don't want think about that. you know, it's a long time now. You can't keep blaming that on your bad behavior. At some point you got to start taking kind of accountability. She just hasn't taken any accountability yet.

Wendy (23:41.869)
Right.

Wendy (23:51.144)
No, she hasn't. And then even about the Wendy asks too, what about the beers in the car? And that's true. What about the beers in the car? Whose were they? Why were there beers in the car? If you were drinking champagne, you said you opened to Stella at your friend's house and you didn't like it.

Kelli (23:57.187)
All right. Who's were they?

Kelli (24:07.523)
So then you have champagne.

Wendy (24:08.652)
So then you had champagne. So why is there beer in the car?

Kelli (24:12.267)
Right. And one beer and one champagne isn't getting you so lit that you can't

Wendy (24:16.374)
Well, if you drank the whole bottle and she had two antidepressants, could get you that lit. Yeah. They all agreed that Karen will not do well in jail. At this point when they were doing the reunion, they did not know what her sentence was. And even when they filmed that watch what happens live, they had filmed it prior to her getting her sentence. So they didn't know that either.

Kelli (24:20.321)
Right. It'll get you there, yeah.

Kelli (24:42.379)
Yeah. Which is interesting because that Watch What Happens Live aired Sunday night. it, yeah. So why is it called Watch What Happens Live if it was literally taped almost a week before? Because the 26th was Wednesday.

Wendy (24:50.188)
Yeah, he filmed dinner. It wasn't live.

Wendy (25:00.366)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (25:02.632)
and they hadn't, they had already taped it.

Wendy (25:05.112)
Cause they probably taped it. I don't know. I have no idea. I have no idea.

Kelli (25:09.344)
I know.

Just call it watch what happens.

Wendy (25:14.294)
Sometimes it's live and sometimes it's not. Andy brings up that Mia is gone and asked the ladies how they feel about it and they all said that it's not right. That she was standing on business all season and now that she's being called out, know, she just gets up and leaves.

Kelli (25:33.953)
Yeah, because Giselle said everyone's faced their shit at reunions. And like they said, like Mia talks a good game during the season, right? Like she's all big and bad, but she can't face it. She starts crying, you know, which I'm a crier too, but you know, gotta, you have to stay and face it.

Wendy (25:37.58)
Yeah, which is

Wendy (25:42.252)
Right. Right.

Wendy (25:52.674)
Right. Wendy says, let the record reflect that Mia on her first season, she kind of called her out that, know. Yep. Yep. I know. I know.

Kelli (26:01.091)
She said, I'm the first one to clock Mia.

Kelli (26:06.371)
I was like, you always have to say that you always have to be the first.

you

Wendy (26:14.542)
Then the Watch What Happens Live, we just talked about that a little bit and I'm just trying to see if there's anything else.

Kelli (26:21.891)
thought it was a good season. I wouldn't mind if they brought every single one of them back, but what I would like to see, I don't want Robin back, no. I would like to see Jacqueline come back without Mia. I say bring all of them back, not Mia, but bring Jacqueline back. I wanna see Jacqueline without Mia. yeah, no, I want Jassy back.

Wendy (26:27.052)
You want me back?

Wendy (26:39.33)
Okay, how about how about Jesse? Can Jesse come back? Because why didn't we? Why didn't we get Jesse?

Kelli (26:45.591)
Yeah, Jassy was on the reunion for five minutes. Now let's bring Jassy back, bring Kay back, bring Stacey back. I say bring them all back because they have, do, like, Jacqueline seemed like she was fine with every single one of the housewives. Right?

Wendy (26:48.458)
I know.

Wendy (26:52.493)
Yeah.

Wendy (27:01.046)
Yes, but yes, I think she was.

Kelli (27:03.681)
I mean, she was definitely good with Gisele and Ashley. So I say bring her back without Mia. I think Mia's tried out like.

Wendy (27:06.252)
Yes.

Wendy (27:10.584)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (27:14.435)
You know too many lies. It's like Brynn. We can't we can't do it again

Wendy (27:14.604)
I mean

Wendy (27:19.788)
Yeah, and her and Gordon were just on TikTok. Or... Yeah.

Kelli (27:24.451)
Is that what cousin Gina sent us? So I couldn't play it because at work I have my phone hooked up to a wireless speaker. Exactly.

Wendy (27:33.186)
yes, it would be loud. I think it was TikTok. Maybe it was a real, but whatever it was, was Gordon and Mia talking and Gordon said that he withdrew the divorce proceedings in February. And because he kept making a list of pros and cons and the reasons to get married and the reasons to get divorced and it all came back to what is in the best interest of the children. So he also made it perfectly clear that does not mean that him and

me are getting back together. And Mia just kind of sat there and didn't say anything until, you know, she's like, I'm glad you're clarifying that. And he said that, you know, if she's ready to get divorced, she can file or he goes, I can refile. He goes, you know, I'm mentally in a good place. I'm not, you know, working with my emotions. Sometimes it's my emotions that roll things and sometimes it's my brain. And I'm just like, like, come on.

Kelli (28:27.809)
Yeah, like it is almost like elder abuse. is almost like she's just forcing him to say these things.

Wendy (28:35.926)
I think he's just trying to save her job now at this point.

Kelli (28:38.435)
At this point, I think you're right. It's probably the only income both of them have. So yeah, he is trying to, but please, Bravo, don't do it. Don't have her back. Because she's just a big liar. There's nothing authentic about her. I mean, we put up with the drama, we put up with the bullshit fights, but I don't want to see anybody's fake life. It's like Meredith. We don't know anything about Meredith's real life. I don't like that.

Wendy (28:42.381)
Right.

Wendy (28:47.342)
Don't bring her back. Yeah, she is.

Wendy (29:02.59)
No, we don't.

Wendy (29:06.498)
I don't either. I don't either because honestly, not Meredith's much, but when Mia came on, I thought she was going to be real because she was honest in the beginning. You she told us about the plastic surgery that she had. She told us that, you know, she was so much older than, or she was so much older than her. She couldn't figure out the math, but you know, she was calling herself out and I was like, okay, this is good. She's real, but no, she's not. It's all fake. Even her real is fake.

Kelli (29:13.537)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Kelli (29:23.395)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (29:33.035)
And I bet you, yeah, and I bet you he was doing something with that business to support some kind of lifestyle for her. And then his other siblings were like, hold up. Figured it out, got him out of the company. And that's when things started spiraling for them. Because she wasn't living that lifestyle anymore. So now it's like, ink was always in the picture. So now she's like, fuck it. I don't even have to hide him anymore.

Wendy (29:44.974)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (29:52.706)
Yeah.

Wendy (29:57.186)
Yeah, it's.

Wendy (30:02.324)
Right. Right. Let's bring them out. Let's bring ink out. So I was listening to, I didn't finish it. I was like in the middle of it. David Yontiff was talking today and he was supposed to have somebody on, but this person was kind of flaking on him. But he spent quite a bit of time talking to this person who was in the Montgomery jail.

Kelli (30:02.445)
You're not supporting me, I'm supporting me.

Yep.

Wendy (30:30.926)
that Karen is in. Yes, and he was giving us a little behind the scenes. And this is as far as I got, so I'm gonna tell you what I know so far. So when you get there, this woman said when she got there, first of all, this is not like any place that Teresa or Jen Shaw is. This is actual prison. This is prison. This is not a camp. This is prison. You get there because it's prison.

Kelli (30:33.321)
Kelli (30:53.709)
What?

Kelli (30:57.729)
Why? Why?

Wendy (30:59.95)
Because both of Jensha and Teresa, those were all white collar crimes.

Kelli (31:04.803)
White collar, okay, so that's the difference. It's the crime she committed determines where you go.

Wendy (31:09.708)
This is, well, no, I think the other issue is those were federal charges too. So those are like federal white collar camps. This is a county, she's in a county prison. So the county prison, it's like our county prison. Like it's a prison. You you have murderers there that are waiting.

Kelli (31:19.968)
Okay.

Kelli (31:24.395)
Yeah, so this is state. county.

Kelli (31:35.16)
Yeah.

Wendy (31:38.344)
You could only be in that prison for up to 18 months. So if your sentence is anything longer than that, then you wind up going to state prison, which is the same here, I believe. So it is real prison. When you get there, they shackle your hands and they shackle your feet. And as soon as you get there, everybody, regardless if you walk in there happy or not, you're on suicide watch.

Kelli (32:04.749)
Wow.

Wendy (32:05.46)
And Suicide Watch, what that entails is you get like a gown, but it's like a paper gown, and you are watched, like, you know, they're on high alert with you. You are given a, this is where I left off, you are given a paper spoon to eat with. And I was like, what's a paper spoon? He said she was kind enough to send him a picture of what the paper spoon is. So I now need to look up what a paper spoon is.

And then once you get off a suicide watch, that's your big goal. Once you get off a suicide watch, then you get plastic utensils. But the other thing she said is that everyone does have their own bed. Like you have a mattress, but there are no sheets on the mattress and there are no pillows. if you try, yep, if you try and make a pillow or try and come up with something, they clean out your cell and they confiscate it.

Kelli (32:54.019)
What?

Kelli (33:03.619)
Why can't you have a pillow?

Wendy (33:05.806)
They don't want you having a pillow. You're not getting a pillow. I have no idea. Why can't you have a sheet? I guess they don't

Kelli (33:11.107)
Can you have a blanket? Like you're just laying there in a paper gown?

Wendy (33:15.346)
And during the suicide watch, yes, before you get your, before you get your, like she is probably, and the woman that is giving David Yon to this information said that when she was there, there was, cause she went in with more than one person, there was a woman there that was like hysterical and like crying and screaming. And like the longer you do that, the longer you're on suicide watch. So you, you want to try and keep your shit together so that you can at least get a,

Kelli (33:38.115)
Of course.

Wendy (33:44.866)
real garment to wear and a plastic spoon. I'm like, Karen is not gonna do well. She's not gonna do well. Yeah, so it's not like, you know, like we saw the other ones.

Kelli (33:46.519)
Right, yeah.

Kelli (33:50.58)
my gosh.

No, no.

Kelli (34:01.634)
Right.

Holy cow.

Wendy (34:05.452)
Yeah, so I thought that was very interesting. Mm-hmm. That's a lot.

Kelli (34:08.493)
That's a lot.

Kelli (34:13.485)
Well, I wish her well and I hope that, I hope she can reflect while she's in there and take some accountability. Show some remorse.

Wendy (34:24.29)
Well, I hope so too. So they...

Kelli (34:27.679)
If this doesn't do it, just, mean...

Wendy (34:31.596)
So her sentence is two years. She's got one year suspended. They said when she gets out, she still has that one year suspended, right? That sentence is still there. So if she so much as takes a drink, she will wind up back in jail. And then once that time is up, she's... Takes a drink. I don't think you're allowed to drink when you're on a suspended sentence or even on probation. And she's on probation for five years. She's got five years probation.

Kelli (34:47.181)
takes a drink or drives.

Kelli (34:55.009)
Okay.

Wendy (35:01.065)
after she's done with her sentence.

Kelli (35:02.827)
and she's 60?

Wendy (35:05.07)
I think she's 61. Maybe now 62. She's 61 or 62.

Kelli (35:14.563)
Wow.

Wendy (35:15.522)
Yeah. So it's, it's not going to be easy for her. I mean, if this doesn't humble her, I don't know what would.

Kelli (35:22.519)
Totally agree. I totally agree with that.

Wendy (35:26.072)
You

Kelli (35:26.977)
mean, listen, people are going sober all over, not because they have any issues. They're just choosing to go sober, be sober for however long they're choosing to do it. So there's plenty of programs out there she can participate in. I know it's not easy, but...

Wendy (35:33.005)
Right.

Wendy (35:37.452)
Yeah.

Wendy (35:48.034)
Well, hopefully there's a program for her when she's in jail for a year, you know? I mean, and that's what they said, that's going to be the hardest part. So she's going to be there for a year and obviously she's not going to have access to it. So she will be clean, but the problem is going to be when she gets out. And if she's not getting the therapy that she needs and she's not doing the work that needs to happen, if she does, like I said, even so much as have a drink, she is going back to jail.

Kelli (35:51.937)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (36:01.538)
Yes, you will.

Mm-hmm.

Kelli (36:18.369)
Let's pray Ray stays healthy because God forbid, I mean, if she's in her early 60s, he's gotta be 80.

Wendy (36:21.27)
Yeah.

Wendy (36:29.741)
Yeah.

Kelli (36:32.023)
Let's pray he stays healthy. I'm sure he is, that's what I'm worried about. mean, like I said, he's ride or die for her.

Wendy (36:33.42)
I'm sure he's heartbroken about this whole thing.

Wendy (36:40.878)
Mm-hmm.

And you know, people are asking, do you think she'll come back? I don't think she would ever come back. Not even if Bravo would have her because Bravo doesn't care. They would do it for the ratings, but I don't think she would come back. I just don't. I don't think she would. You do? I don't think she would.

Kelli (36:58.081)
I do, I think she would, I do. I don't know if Bravo would, but like you said, they'll, yeah, they'll, yeah.

Wendy (37:04.143)
I think Bravo would. I think Bravo would. Just like I think Bravo will let Jen Shaw come back. you know?

Kelli (37:10.549)
I think they will too. I didn't at first, but I think you're right. I think that they will bring her back. I mean, what reason do they have not to? They brought Teresa back. I mean, honestly, they set the precedent for that and they keep inflating her big head, Teresa. So bring her back, bring Jen back.

Wendy (37:20.568)
Right. Right.

Wendy (37:30.752)
Yeah, we'll have to see. So the other thing I listened to today is my new favorite, the Two Angry Men podcast.

Kelli (37:39.299)
I keep forgetting about that one.

Wendy (37:41.63)
I know. they had on Mark Garagos, his daughter is an attorney, did not know this, and she's on the legal defense team for Diddy. Now I thought, yes, I thought, and I look it up and it says it, that his attorney quit and that his, Diddy's attorney when I say his, that Diddy's attorney quit after he saw the discovery and that he also

Kelli (37:55.872)
What?

Wendy (38:08.758)
represented Osama bin Laden. saw all this online, but I guess that is not true because

Kelli (38:14.049)
I thought I remembered hearing that Diddy's attorney represented Osama bin Laden. So that's not true. my God.

Wendy (38:21.526)
Yeah, I don't think any of it's true. I don't think any of it's true. So she was on, she couldn't, obviously she couldn't say too much, but what I did gather from her being on, obviously there's a huge team and know, Harvey Levin's trying to ask the questions, but you know, there's not much she can answer and Mark Garagos kept kind of like, you know, jumping in to protect his daughter to not say, but there has been...

Kelli (38:30.477)
Yeah.

Kelli (38:44.951)
Right, of course.

Wendy (38:49.966)
been, Mark Argos asked Harvey this, you know, I would imagine if there's any videos of, that were coming out because we saw all over the news that there was people out there shopping videos and celebrities names were in them. And we saw this in October and November and December. And here it is 20, 25. I would imagine Harvey, if those videos were available, one place they would take them would be TMZ. Like you get videos. Harvey's like, yeah, we get videos every day.

He's like, well, have you ever gotten a video with Diddy? He goes, no, not one. Not one. Well, like, that's what I'm saying. It goes back to this whole media thing, you know, and that's kind of what the attorney was saying, his daughter, I can't remember her name. You know, all the stuff that we've seen is the stuff that's come out that's the civil complaints. And a lot of that's been dismissed or dropped or it was extortion.

Kelli (39:24.205)
That's odd.

Wendy (39:47.882)
And actually, the one attorney, I cannot remember his name, that was bringing all those cases, they are going after him for slander because of what stuff he's been saying. yes, because he has, he put out a whole big like advertising campaign that we have all these victims and if you were a victim of Diddy, come to us and we're gonna, we're gonna, you know,

Kelli (39:58.979)
About Diddy?

Kelli (40:13.608)
my gosh. Like a class action suit.

Wendy (40:17.114)
Yes. Don't you remember when that came out and they had all these, they say we have all these names that are coming and the first one they went after was Jay-Z and Jay-Z didn't pay up. And then all of a sudden the story changes, the father can't corroborate the story. And then the case gets dropped. Like the media plays such a big part in all of these cases.

Kelli (40:37.048)
Yeah.

Kelli (40:43.947)
in every aspect of our life. It's like we're living in the Truman Show.

Wendy (40:46.454)
every aspect of our life. And that's what Mark Garagos, that's what he was saying. Like, you know, he was saying the last time like a high profile case has been acquitted was when one, the jury was sequestered, completely sequestered. And before all this social media, like the Casey Anthony, like she was acquitted.

Kelli (41:12.003)
Mm.

Wendy (41:14.764)
because there was no social media, the jury was sequestered, the original, like the Menendez, like it was a hung jury. Like there's just so many things that people can't get a fair trial. And that's one of the questions Harvey was saying to her, like, you going to ask the jury to be sequestered? She's like, well, I can't really answer that. You know, what our strategy is.

Kelli (41:30.86)
Especially now, mean, forget it.

Wendy (41:43.266)
But she's like, well, everyone has a phone. we're going to take, everyone gets their news from their phone. what are we going to, like, how do you do this? Like, how do you sequester a jury? And it's true. Like we said about, with the John Benet Ramsey case, like John and Patsy Ramsey did not have a shot because they were convicted in the media. And that was well before.

Kelli (41:47.747)
Yeah.

Kelli (41:54.488)
Yeah.

I, yeah, we just talked about this. Yeah.

Kelli (42:09.441)
Yeah.

Wendy (42:12.096)
Social media is what it is today. Today, we find out wrong information instantly and it spreads like wildfire. Right? I mean, I really thought like I...

Kelli (42:14.135)
Yeah.

Kelli (42:21.065)
Exactly. Even this Blake Lively, Ryan Reynolds, Justin Baldoni thing. Like, I don't understand. They're never gonna get a jury for this. They're never gonna be able to get a jury.

Wendy (42:27.224)
Yep.

Wendy (42:31.214)
Well, that's the thing with that is that one will probably never go to trial because it's a civil thing, right? They can just settle that with money. That's all you need to do. That doesn't have to, it will never, I know, but it, that will never see a trial. It won't. It won't.

Kelli (42:40.385)
Yes, they can, but I mean, they're all suing each other now, so it's like, who owes who what?

Kelli (42:53.037)
crazy though.

Wendy (42:54.23)
It is crazy. But then you think about it, like all of a sudden Harvey Levin and Mark Garagos start talking about Wendy Williams and all of a sudden there's movement on that. And again, that's how it helps it in a positive way. Because had they not started talking about that and if there wasn't that special, that would have never changed. And even with the Menendez brothers, there not been that Netflix special and it didn't become this big social media thing, like

Kelli (43:08.482)
Yes.

Kelli (43:22.306)
Right.

Wendy (43:23.884)
That wouldn't have changed either.

Kelli (43:26.507)
Now, did you hear that there was a rooftop bar at the facility that Wendy Williams is at? Is that true?

Wendy (43:32.256)
Well, it's so funny.

Kelli (43:37.505)
I mean, I guess buildings in New York City are so big that there's multiple things and like, this building's not just a memory care facility. Okay. Cause I'm like, what? But of course what I read was making it seem like the facility had a rooftop.

Wendy (43:42.839)
I think that that.

Exactly. I think that that is one thing. I think that that is one case.

No, no, I think that that's exactly it. I mean, you saw the building that she was on, their multi-story building. She was on the fifth floor. I'm sure the entire building is not a memory care building. Like you said, could be, know, half the building is one thing, the other half, you know. So, I mean, and again, I don't even know if that even existed. It was just the point that there was access for her to get someplace. You know I mean? But again, that's like, that's what the media does. They make up...

Kelli (44:04.726)
Right.

Kelli (44:08.747)
Yeah. Crazy.

Kelli (44:19.277)
Yeah.

Wendy (44:22.862)
They take this little bit and actually this is the other thing Harvey said and I thought this was very interesting. was the, he said the Rodney King. He said he as media played a part in really portraying that in the wrong light. He said the beating of Rodney King was, there was like a 60 or 90 second video of the interaction with Rodney King and the police.

Kelli (44:50.295)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (44:52.63)
And there was 13 seconds of that video where all you would see is Rodney King getting pummeled. You didn't see him getting up and going out. You didn't see the rest of it. And the media would just keep playing that 13 seconds over and over and over again. So that when it went to trial and the defense attorney said, why don't we play, I want you to see the whole video, the jurors and everyone in the courtroom were stunned to see the video.

the whole video because they'd never, they only got the small picture of 13 seconds played over and over and over again. That's why when those police officers were acquitted, everyone was shocked because they didn't see the whole video. They only saw the 13 seconds that the media played. And you know, this is what's going on today. Stuff like this.

Kelli (45:37.601)
Right, sure. Right.

Kelli (45:47.116)
Yeah, I mean, we're only seeing what they want us to see. That's not okay.

Wendy (45:50.509)
Right.

Wendy (45:53.806)
No, it's not. It's not. But I don't know how you fix it, to be quite honest with you. Like, how do you fix it? Right? Right? Like, how do you even fix it? First, we would blame mainstream media, because all they would give us what they wanted to say. OK, well, now we have social media. We can get whatever information we want now. But how do we? Right. Right. You don't know.

Kelli (46:00.235)
it's pretty far gone at this point. Yeah.

Kelli (46:11.585)
Right, but with AI and it's just, you don't know what's true and what's not.

Wendy (46:18.668)
You don't know what's true and what's not. And it's just so hard to tell, like, what is really going on. So, I don't know. I think it's interesting, though. Like, yeah.

Kelli (46:30.263)
definitely interesting.

Like my Nana said, the internet's gonna ruin the world.

Wendy (46:36.214)
Mm-hmm. You better get right with Jesus. Yes, that is the t-shirt. Yes, we do. We win whenever. by the way, I didn't tell you this. We got, I'm sure we didn't get it. We got a request for Buzzsprout to run an ad, but they have to approve us. It was from the Archbishop of Paterson, New Jersey. I'm like...

Kelli (46:37.955)
You better get right with Jesus.

That's the t-shirt we need to make.

But we do have WeWine whenever t-shirts people on our TikTok shop.

Kelli (47:03.01)
Wendy (47:04.728)
They're not going to approve us. We curse too much. They do not want us running their ads. I don't think they'll get them. Maybe not. Yeah. All right. Well, until next time, thank you for watching. Give us five star reviews. Tell your friends. Buy our t-shirts.

Kelli (47:06.872)
Ha

Kelli (47:11.181)
You're like, we hear one of you as a CCD teacher.

And they're going to listen and be like, yeah, maybe not.

yay, yay.

Kelli (47:30.743)
Yeah. Bye.