RHOC Reunion Recap: Friendships and Frenemies

We Wine Whenever (00:01.122)
Hi, welcome to We Why Whenever, I'm Wendy. We are talking about Real Housewives of Orange County, season 18 reunion. This happens to be the 100th season of the Real Housewives franchise. That really is, that really is.

Kelli (00:03.659)
I'm Kelly.

Kelli (00:19.663)
That's amazing,

Kelli (00:23.663)
because it's been on 18 years. I mean, yeah, 18 years.

We Wine Whenever (00:26.541)
Yeah, 18 years, yeah. That's crazy, yeah. So we start out with Andy kind of saying hi to everybody. He talks to Tamar about her CO2 laser treatment with the blue peel and the brow lift.

Kelli (00:30.233)
That's crazy.

Kelli (00:43.439)
Did you notice, and I'm not commenting on her looks because I actually do think that Tamra looks wonderful.

We Wine Whenever (00:50.517)
No, no, she does. Absolutely.

Kelli (00:53.404)
It looked almost like she couldn't move her face though. It almost looked like something was wrong with her jaw or like Like she couldn't when she was talking like she was talking like I felt like she was talking like this

We Wine Whenever (01:06.029)
be honest with you I did not notice it. I did think she looked very good. She said that the swelling only lasted a week and a half. I guess she just gave us that whole low down about because we got to see everything on Instagram. And he talked to Emily about if she's still working out seven days a week and she said that she's not. She's doing more like five days a week now and she got Shane a personal trainer which is great.

Kelli (01:09.869)
She does, she does.

Kelli (01:33.431)
Yeah, yes.

We Wine Whenever (01:35.051)
He asked Heather how the construction was going on her new house and she says it's a disaster and you know he can kind of relate to that because they've talked about this before.

Kelli (01:45.263)
Is he building something or is he renovating his apartment?

We Wine Whenever (01:50.263)
Well, his apartment's for sale. Yeah, Twice the time and twice the budget they both agreed on. He asked Gina how the real estate business was going and she said it was going pretty wonderful. She had just closed on a house recently. Asked Katie if she was ready for her first reunion and she said she thought so. Congratulated Jen on her engagement and

Kelli (01:52.547)
That's right, so he must be building something or...

We Wine Whenever (02:19.464)
asked when her wedding was, and she said June of 2025. Then Shannon, he said, looks happy and healthy, and asked her, yeah, she really does, she really does, asked her how the dating world has been going, and she said, well, it's been a year, and she just started dating, and I'm sure knowing Shannon, it's probably comical, because pretty much everything with Shannon is comical.

Kelli (02:29.262)
It does.

Kelli (02:43.15)
Yes.

And I hope that she's being honest with that. Like I hope she really did take a year and focus on herself. And I don't think people do that when they break up.

We Wine Whenever (02:51.808)
I think she did, though.

Now I do think she did because I mean it was right after the last reunion, right? It was 10 days after the last reunion was her DWI. So I think that she did. So then he asks about intentions, if they could set intentions for this reunion. And Tamar says to Shannon that she wants to talk about, you know, why she was so hurt by what went down. And

Kelli (03:06.392)
Yeah.

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (03:23.68)
you know that we don't have to be best friends but maybe we can get to a common ground and you know she says she's gonna go to therapy and the goal for therapy is to find out where the anger comes from.

Kelli (03:38.061)
And now we know what the therapist said.

We Wine Whenever (03:40.05)
Yes, now we know because she told us that she's on the spectrum, but we don't think that that's really the case. she, right, she's going to stop talking about that, she said. Then Shannon is not interested in having a relationship with Tamara after the way she treated her. No, I agree. For the entire season, Shannon says that she is creating healthy boundaries and a toxic relationship is not healthy. 100 % agree with that.

Kelli (03:47.661)
That didn't land well.

Kelli (03:57.293)
Nor should she be.

Kelli (04:08.879)
Totally.

We Wine Whenever (04:09.631)
Tamar said, you saying that we were not in a good relationship? Chana said, yeah, absolutely. You know, we never got to the point of a relationship when you came back.

Kelli (04:20.279)
And here's my problem with Tamra. Every time Shannon says something about where their relationship was, she's like, so for 10 years I wasn't a good friend. Shannon's never once indicated that. It's when she left the show, Tamra was very bitter. I don't know who didn't call who. I don't really give a shit. But when Tamra came back on the show, she was awful to Shannon. The first season and now this season. She was terrible to her.

We Wine Whenever (04:22.197)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (04:28.543)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (04:44.437)
Right.

Yes.

Kelli (04:49.421)
So no, she's not saying that you weren't a good friend for 10 years, but you certainly have not been a good friend for two years.

We Wine Whenever (04:55.561)
Right, exactly. And she's not interested in this anymore because like she said, you know, she's in therapy and she's been in therapy and she's creating healthy boundaries. She doesn't need this toxic relationship and I don't blame her.

Kelli (05:09.005)
No, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Shannon does not seem like an insane person to me.

We Wine Whenever (05:14.571)
100 % and she's no and she's not doing it and I don't blame her. Jen says she has an intention with Emily and her to set to set forward on a better path and Emily kind of was really going hard. She's like you know she doesn't Emily doesn't think that Jen was very that she thinks that she was very reserved with her but it started out her relationship with her was she was coming for Jen about

the finances and about her money and how she was spending it. of course, Jen is not going to open up to her about anything.

Kelli (05:49.847)
Absolutely not. you know, I'm a huge Emily fan. I did not love her in this reunion. I feel like Emily wants to be in with Tamara and Heather so bad. Now she's going to do their dirty work because she's the lawyer and she's smart and she can ask the questions. And she thinks that she, her asking the questions legitimizes the questions because she's an attorney where if Tamara and Heather asked the questions, they're just going to look like pot stirrers, but she looks like a pot stirrer.

We Wine Whenever (06:16.402)
I totally agree with you. And I would say, I don't even think it's just this reunion. I think this reunion really is amplified, but I think it's been this whole season. This whole season. Yeah, we go into it more with her. Katie wants to own a couple things that she regrets and move forward. Heather hopes to walk out of here with almost everyone as friends, which is...

Kelli (06:25.933)
Yes. You're right.

Kelli (06:34.585)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (06:45.886)
Odd? No. Then they start out with Shannon going into the season with the DUI. They do the flashback of 2020 when she's sitting there and she says on camera that the stupidest thing anyone can do is get a DUI. And then in 2023, the headlines about Shannon getting the DUI, they flash those all over the screen. They play back all the clips of Tamara attacking Shannon.

Kelli (06:46.755)
I don't believe that for a second.

We Wine Whenever (07:12.296)
Shannon says she's at a place right now where I don't think I need to keep defending myself. And I think she's right.

Kelli (07:17.837)
Yeah. And Tamara even said that she was drinking while she was in the 30 day program. I mean, that's crazy. You called me drunk from the program. That wouldn't, that can't happen. Like she just, she just talks, Tamara. It's like she has no credibility.

We Wine Whenever (07:22.545)
Right. Which is crazy. Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (07:31.847)
Right. Right.

Kelli (07:41.219)
But it was interesting to see all of those flashbacks, every reunion, somebody's calling Shannon out for her drinking. Did you notice that?

We Wine Whenever (07:48.894)
Well, yeah, because I mean, Tamar said it's been a problem for 10 years and. But it was, I think, listen, Tamar has been bringing it up for 10 years, but I think like she said, the last reunion I think is where everyone brought it up. And the last reunion was when she was using alcohol to cope because she was not in a good space. And that is what she said. She said, listen, I don't have that same relationship with alcohol. I.

Kelli (07:53.889)
I didn't realize that.

Kelli (08:11.701)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (08:18.79)
am not using it for coping anymore. you know, that reunion was filmed and 10 days later, I got into an accident in the DUI. So yes, I agree with the people that said it at the last reunion, 100%. And I think that that's what they did is they kind of amplified that. But if you look back to the older stuff, you know, when Vicki was there, it was always Tamara. It was always Tamara. Even though

Kelli (08:32.047)
Right. Right.

Kelli (08:43.956)
always, always. I mean, the first season, Shannon was on with the whole Heather thing and, you know, Terry Dubrow said, we're gonna take down the Badoors. That came from Tamra.

We Wine Whenever (08:55.613)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (08:57.475)
which I can't see Terry Dubrow saying something like that, but I can see Tamra lying about Terry Dubrow saying something like

We Wine Whenever (09:04.701)
Yeah, I agree with you. And then Andy asks Heather about what she said about Shannon having an unhealthy relationship with alcohol. And this was, I thought, again, a little shady on Heather's part. Heather said she was concerned when it came out about her blood alcohol content. It was three times the legal limit. And when she spoke to Terry as a doctor, he said that someone with that blood alcohol

level would barely be able to stay awake unless they had a problem with alcohol. I really don't believe that Terry said that. I just think that's her covering because what else is she going to say? And that it and that was she was concerned about Shannon. I don't think that that was the case. don't know.

Kelli (09:38.255)
I don't either.

Kelli (09:43.373)
Yep, I totally agree.

Kelli (09:49.803)
No, don't think any of them were concerned for Shannon. Maybe Gina.

We Wine Whenever (09:54.919)
Yeah. And then a viewer asks Gina, you know, why she had sympathy for Shannon after how she treated you when she had her DUI and she brought your kids into it. And Shannon hadn't had an accident and she continues to drink. That's what this viewer asked. And all she, all she can say is that she's embarrassed. And Gina said, listen, that's not all she said. She didn't just say she was embarrassed. You know, she expressed remorse. She's made changes in her behavior, you know,

Kelli (10:19.087)
She didn't.

We Wine Whenever (10:24.677)
She has a completely different perspective of what Gina went through, herself going through it, and seeing what it's like.

Kelli (10:30.307)
Yeah. Right.

We Wine Whenever (10:35.352)
Her forgiving her and moving forward with her. It's just being a good friend and supporting her and I'm surprised like that came from a viewer didn't come from Tamra, but that's like something Tamra would say and then you find out later in the episode Emily says that to Shannon about Tamra. Well, Gina forgave you Why why can't you just forgive Tamra and really the things are totally different?

Kelli (10:46.607)
Yeah.

Kelli (10:56.429)
Right. Why can't you forgive Tamara?

Kelli (11:02.959)
Totally, totally, it's apples and oranges. did not go after Gina the way Tamra went after Shannon. Shannon was not overly using the word drunk, you're a drunk, you're an alcoholic. That was not the case. I mean, what she said about CPS was wrong and could have been damaging, but that was the worst thing she said. She wasn't name calling. She wasn't calling Gina a drunk. She made a mistake.

We Wine Whenever (11:05.158)
Yes, it really is.

We Wine Whenever (11:10.267)
Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (11:16.016)
Right. Exactly. No.

Wrong. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (11:29.69)
No. No.

Kelli (11:33.162)
And that's what it was, a mistake.

We Wine Whenever (11:36.198)
Yeah. But then even after Gina says that, you know, that I, you know, she's a totally different person. Tamar says, well, you and Shannon were together at BravoCon and at a dinner and she didn't apologize to you then. But then when the cameras were up, then she apologized to you. Again, now Tamar's just putting in her two cents. It had nothing to do with the, with what was happening. She just wants to discredit Shannon again. And Gina said, listen,

Kelli (11:59.886)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (12:01.413)
You know what, maybe she wasn't in the place yet. And I'll be honest with you, I wasn't in the place yet either. I didn't even want to look at her then. So good for Gina. Like Gina is being a solid friend. She really is. And I thought it was interesting that Gina and Emily were on opposite sides of the couch too.

Kelli (12:07.213)
Right.

Kelli (12:10.596)
Yeah.

Kelli (12:19.503)
did too. But I think that, again, I think Gina was Shannon's biggest ally this season.

We Wine Whenever (12:28.337)
She absolutely was. She absolutely was.

Kelli (12:30.031)
And I think Emily wants in with Tamara and Heather and it's disappointing to watch. It's very disappointing to watch.

We Wine Whenever (12:37.105)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (12:41.84)
I completely agree with you.

Kelli (12:42.797)
I mean, in the beginning of the season, basically said she thinks that Emily's meaner when she's around Tamara, and it's true.

We Wine Whenever (12:49.007)
It definitely is true. It definitely is.

Emily says to Tamar, thought the constant bullying and calling her an alcoholic was counterproductive. You can't just bully her into not drinking. That was pretty much the only time I saw her stick up for Shannon. This whole reunion.

Kelli (13:02.478)
Right.

Kelli (13:07.351)
Yeah, and she said, like, why don't you just apologize? And Tamra's like, yeah. And she's like, I'm talking to you. Other than that, Tamra can just cannot apologize though. Even when she tries, she backs it up with a, but this was happening and she just can't do it.

We Wine Whenever (13:13.114)
Yeah, exactly, exactly.

No.

We Wine Whenever (13:21.424)
But.

We Wine Whenever (13:27.278)
And then a viewer asks Tamar, why do you think mocking and berating Shannon is going to help her? Tamar says, no, well, looking back on that, that comes from anger. Again, not taking accountability. Like she just doesn't.

Kelli (13:43.117)
At all. At all.

We Wine Whenever (13:44.495)
Shannon says, why do you tell people that you were there for me? Tamara says, I talked to you every day after your DUI. And Shannon said, you weren't even here. You were in Scotland doing traders. And she's right.

Kelli (13:56.419)
Yep. And she's like, but when I got back, but that's not what you said.

We Wine Whenever (14:00.889)
Right. That's not what you said. And then she goes on to say that you called me drunk a couple times. And that's when she said that, you know, when you were in the facility that you were drinking and she's like, I was not, there's no way I could be. were random drug and alcohol testing there. There's no way I could be.

It's just sad. It's sad the way...

Kelli (14:27.331)
Does Tamra believe her own lies? I think she does too.

We Wine Whenever (14:29.574)
I think she does.

I think she does, and I think her husband does too, because he says that she doesn't lie. That's what he says. So it really is crazy.

Kelli (14:36.493)
Right, right, it's crazy.

We Wine Whenever (14:44.627)
A viewer asked Shannon that she and Heather in the beginning of the season were trying to really get back together and be close. And where are you two now? And Shannon says, listen, I have a real problem with the way things ended. know, when I was talking to you in Sonoma and I showed you the pictures and I told you that, you know, this was going to be between us. And then you just kept bringing it up.

Kelli (15:09.351)
And Tamra had already told you. So nice job with your performance acting shocked when you saw the picture and Shannon had to tell you about the story that you already knew from Tamra. But Shannon. Like she's just an actress. She's just an actress. Nothing about her is authentic or real. Not a thing.

We Wine Whenever (15:12.549)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (15:25.347)
Right, exactly.

We Wine Whenever (15:32.079)
Yep.

We Wine Whenever (15:39.332)
And honestly, you know I was always team Heather, but I feel this way about her too. I don't think she's being real.

Kelli (15:41.934)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (15:46.731)
Mm-mm. She's a great mom. I will never take that away from her. She seems like a great mom. But on this show, there's nothing real about her or her story. Other than the way she throws money around on real estate. And God bless. But we need something more than that. Go be on a real estate show then.

We Wine Whenever (15:50.059)
No, absolutely. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (15:57.604)
No.

We Wine Whenever (16:01.379)
Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (16:06.03)
Right. And then Heather says, I didn't talk about it until after you appeared on Jeff Lewis. And then since then I thought since you had spoken about it publicly that it was fair game. Shannon says, my first night in London was horrible. And Andy said, and so were your second and your third. And they were, they were because nobody had her back. Nobody had her back. Nobody. Andy says, Tamara has admitted that she came at you too hard this season. Tamara says, yes.

Kelli (16:23.599)
Mm-hmm. Because of camera. No.

We Wine Whenever (16:35.478)
Well, is there anything you'd like to add that Tamra says well, I was witnessing you drinking and calling me intoxicated Okay. I mean, what does that even mean?

Kelli (16:45.453)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (16:48.453)
And then Emily says, know, Tamar, why can't you just apologize? That's when she said it to her and she's like, well, I'm sorry, but.

Kelli (16:58.317)
Yeah, and then she goes into something else.

We Wine Whenever (17:00.226)
Right, I was worried and I saw that you were still drinking. I don't think it was okay. Right, I didn't think it was okay.

Kelli (17:03.545)
wasn't worried. She was not worried. That's not how a worried person acts.

We Wine Whenever (17:10.54)
And then that's when Emily says to her, know, Shannon, Gina forgave you, so why can't you forgive her? So she does, she says, that's fine. I'll accept your apology. I appreciate your apology, but I just don't want to be friends anymore. And I think that's good. I think that's a good place to leave it.

Kelli (17:29.643)
It is, except, you know, who's coming back. Like, I mean, it's not, obviously it's not as bad as Jersey, but any, somebody says that, like, I'm not interested in having a relationship with you, you kind of put yourself on the line there because they're supposed to be friends.

We Wine Whenever (17:46.02)
I think so because I, right, but I do think that Shannon and if Tamra does come back, I do think that they could both coexist in a show together. I think that they could go out to dinner and they would be fine. They would be fine. It's not like.

Kelli (18:01.163)
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's true. As long as Tamara doesn't act like an asshole.

We Wine Whenever (18:06.936)
Right. Well, maybe her therapy will kick in by then. Right? Yeah. And then he goes on to Katie and he said, Katie found herself stuck in a sand trap with Heather Dubrow. And as the season went on, the bad blood for these two frenemies was par for the course. He asks her about what happened with going to see her mom and her birth mom in Korea.

Kelli (18:13.091)
Here's hoping. Fingers crossed.

We Wine Whenever (18:34.249)
and then she lets us know that her trip was postponed because her father-in-law was hospitalized and he was very sick and then he wound up passing. But they're still gonna go, which is great. And then they start attacking Katie.

Kelli (18:48.651)
Yeah, so I...

I do agree that they started attacking Katie. And I do think it went too far. But there are lot of inconsistencies in her stories. But I do think it went too far. she moved back to San Diego, I guess when her father-in-law got ill, they went to San Diego and had to stay for a couple of months. But then when they came back to the OC, they moved to a different house than what we see in her film.

We Wine Whenever (18:59.683)
100 % it went too far.

Kelli (19:24.125)
in.

We Wine Whenever (19:25.123)
because she was renting that house.

Kelli (19:27.125)
Yeah, see, but she told Gina that she owned it.

We Wine Whenever (19:32.748)
No, no, no, no. So this is the way I understood it as to what happened. So when her father-in-law got, the house that she lived in in San Diego, said, Gina texted her because she was looking for real estate in the OC and she said, and she said she owned the place in San Diego. But the fact was it was a rent to own and she had to rent it for two years. The seller wanted two years of rental income before they were going to sell it.

Kelli (19:48.568)
in OC.

We Wine Whenever (20:02.819)
So what I think happened, and I cannot be 100 % sure, because it was kind of fuzzy, because she did say she went back there. I do believe that she was still renting it and planned on buying it at some point, because her son was still going to high school there. He was staying with her niece. But then when she had to go back for her father-in-law, she said the house was three miles from the hospital. So I don't know if that means it was her niece's house that was three miles from the hospital.

Kelli (20:32.449)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (20:32.456)
or if it was her house that was in San Diego that she was still leasing to eventually buy real estate. But they're living in the OC. Right, because that was a house that was rented and they got a different rental.

Kelli (20:39.309)
Right. Okay.

in a different house than they filmed in.

That was a rental. Then there was the whole lawsuit with the guy with the road rage. That was kind of confusing, but I don't, who cares? And then it was 10 years ago. It was 10 years ago. Yeah. Yeah. I don't really, you know, but then this, just have written down here the Sutton story and my head is shot. What was the, my brain, excuse me. That's not a good thing to say. My brain isn't functioning.

We Wine Whenever (20:58.21)
mean, it was 10 years ago. It was 10 years ago.

We Wine Whenever (21:13.218)
Okay, so the Sutton story.

That's okay. The Sutton story was,

I wrote it down. Hold on.

Kelli (21:24.931)
Yeah, like Sutton called Heather and was like, she used me. She said.

We Wine Whenever (21:28.758)
about a golf event so so it was about a golf event so she went to her house in augusta and

We Wine Whenever (21:42.275)
Okay, so I'll jump to it right now. So Heather says, there's a lot of hanky stories. Sutton texted me last week and said that you used her. Katie's like, me? And she's like, yeah, she came to my house in Augusta and said she was going to bring all these high level golfers. No one showed up. She didn't pay for the photographer. She used me to promote her business. Katie said, I offered to pay for all of it. And then,

they talk about getting snubbed at the Christmas party. So listen, I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt, you know? I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt. Like we only have...

Kelli (22:20.003)
I do think it's interesting that Sutton is again claiming somebody didn't pay for something. Remember the whole Lisa Rinna table story at an Elton John event? Listen Sutton, you're making hella money on your divorce. I do think it's interesting that she's talking smack about another housewife not paying her for something. So.

We Wine Whenever (22:31.753)
yes, yes.

We Wine Whenever (22:36.469)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (22:44.916)
No, I do too. I do too.

Kelli (22:47.18)
You know what? That story, I don't care about that story either. I'm not a big Sutton fan though, so.

We Wine Whenever (22:52.467)
No, I don't think you ever were.

Kelli (22:54.051)
Mm-mm. No, but this is where I think it crossed the line. I think when Emily brings up her losing physical and legal custody of her children, that's too low.

We Wine Whenever (23:05.311)
Yeah. So I agree with you. I agree with you. just let me just go back before that. So they ask about her, son, Max, you know, why did we not see your son, Max? And she's like, well, his father wouldn't, you know, my ex wouldn't sign off on it. And he turned 18 in July. So he was able to sign off. And now you, you know, you, you saw his pictures towards the end. He stayed in San Diego because he wanted to finish high school. Cause he was a senior.

Kelli (23:34.265)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (23:34.402)
and he was at my niece's house and now he's living with me full time. So all of them are full time in the OC.

Kelli (23:39.523)
I thought that was Gavin. I thought Max is the one who lives in Georgia with the father. Right? And Gavin's the one who's now with her full time. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (23:44.085)
yes, yes, that was Gavin. Yes. Yes, yes it is. I mixed up the names. You're absolutely right. So then Gina says to Katie about the lying, about the text. You reached out to me about real estate. And then Emily jumps in. Again, like Emily jumping in, it was a conversation between her and Katie. like Emily jumps in with like lawyer mode and she's very aggressive about the whole thing. And Emily's like, well, you you say to Katie,

Kelli (24:04.995)
Yeah.

Kelli (24:10.691)
very.

We Wine Whenever (24:13.909)
doesn't make sense because I said when I was on Jeff Lewis Live that you had moved and I saw on Instagram that you had moved because you moved to a different house in Orange County. And Katie said, I thought you said I moved to San Diego. She said, well, you were in San Diego. She's like, no, but I was only there for two months when my father-in-law was sick, which does make sense, right? Cause the house was, you know, three miles from the hospital. So I even wrote, Emily was very aggressive with these accusations. And then Emily says,

Kelli (24:34.157)
Right. Right.

Kelli (24:41.999)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (24:46.014)
Then Gina jumps in and says, well, there's a lot of inconsistencies with that stuff that you say, what you say and do that makes me feel uncomfortable around you. I don't trust you, she said. Gina said that to Katie. And then she goes on to say, I think everyone here, including, and she pats Jen's leg, including Jen, says that there's some confusion. Jen jumps in and says, yeah.

Well, there was some confusion, but all you have to do is ask her and she'll explain it to you. And there's an explanation. And I was glad that she jumped in and said that because they're still really going hard for her. And then she's like, you've been in the news recently regarding a five million dollar lawsuit over your company, T-Shots, claiming it was it wasn't your original idea. She says, well, I was just dismissed from that.

and it was my business partner and her husband. It was his friend and he had claimed that he had a conversation with the business partner at a golf course and it was his idea. But she had, I mean, just because it was her name on the company, she had nothing to do with that and she was dismissed from it. So like that's a nothing. then that's right. Then that's when Heather jumps in and says, you know, there's all these hanky stories and the Sutton Christmas party. And then a viewer asked Katie,

Kelli (25:55.543)
Right. Right.

Kelli (26:00.559)
It's a yeah.

We Wine Whenever (26:09.97)
if is there one person in LA who runs all the paparazzi or is it possible your friend said yes, meaning that the pictures look like paparazzi instead of having proof that she actually calls. And again, that's when Heather like goes in hard about her. You know, let me make this perfectly clear that, you know, I did not call the paparazzi. I, you know, I think that there is a story for everything. And I think you have

Absolutely no credibility, Heather says to her.

Kelli (26:42.265)
I think that Heather did call the paparazzi and I think that Heather has no credibility. How about that? There's, because somebody said it, they're like, paparazzi doesn't go to Disneyland. And I believe it, Disneyland, I'm sure has, I mean, Disney World has a lot of famous people there and it's in Florida. Imagine Disneyland. I mean, there must be famous people there with their kids all the time.

We Wine Whenever (26:47.059)
Mm-hmm. Okay.

We Wine Whenever (27:02.313)
Well, Jeff?

But Jeff Lewis says that they do go because he goes all the time. she so paparazzi does go there. Yeah, they do go. Paparazzi are there. That's what.

Kelli (27:08.623)
That's what I'm saying. So, but our paparazzi there?

I mean, I would think that Disney would like put like a stop to it and not let them in.

We Wine Whenever (27:18.814)
Well, if you're, listen, if you're, if you're, I don't think it's the paparazzi like you think. You know, right. Yeah, there are tourists, exactly. There are tourists with a camera. You know?

Kelli (27:25.965)
It's not like the big cameras. just like.

Got it. Got it. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (27:37.061)
I don't know, this whole time that they're all going, like Heather and Emily are going hard at Katie, Tamara's sitting there like smiling on the couch and like the faces she was making were, it was just, it was honestly, it was annoying. It was annoying. And then Katie Lee, yep, yep.

Kelli (27:46.787)
That's what I mean.

Kelli (27:56.047)
because they have Emily doing their dirty work, both of them, Tamara and Heather. And again, they think that she's gonna be credible because she's an attorney, but she really just looks like a jerk.

We Wine Whenever (28:08.721)
No, she absolutely does. And then Katie leaves over to Gina and says, listen, I want to apologize to you. I don't think it was a setup. After Tamar and I had the conversation and Tamar said you were set up, it was definitely a setup. That's what Tamar said to her. She's like me being new thought that, maybe she knows something that I don't know. Cause she also did say that when she was on Jeff Lewis after the reunion and she was on with Jen, she said that

She sees it differently now. She doesn't think it was a setup. then Tamar tries to jump in and says, yes, that's what you were explaining to me, that it was a setup. Like Tamar's trying to backpedal of what she said, that she got it from her. She just doesn't own any part of it. And it's very frustrating. It really is.

Kelli (28:38.839)
Right. She did say that.

Kelli (28:55.789)
Yep. No, not at all. Not at all. She's the worst housewife, She really is. She brought nothing about her own life this season. Nothing. What did she talk about? her daughter. Her daughter was on two episodes and looked pained to do it the entire time. You could tell she didn't want to be on there.

We Wine Whenever (29:17.361)
Right, her daughter was on.

We Wine Whenever (29:24.007)
No, I agree. And then when she's apologizing and Tamar's trying to jump in, Heather says, but why do you care? Like, why do you care? And Tamar's laughing the whole time. And Katie said, honestly, Heather, I didn't think it was going to be a big deal. if I knew it would, no, how would she? I mean, to turn this into like...

Kelli (29:38.221)
I really don't think she did.

Kelli (29:43.491)
because it was about Heather. And Heather can say whatever she wants about anybody else, but don't you dare say anything about her.

We Wine Whenever (29:50.182)
Right. And then that's when Heather jumped in with the, by the way, falsely accusing people is kind of your thing. And Tamar goes, Ooh, cause Tamar knew it was coming. And Shannon's like, well, and you can see it on Shannon's face. Well, who else did she falsely accused? Like Shannon had no idea what was going on. And that's when they go into the whole situation about the car and the guy and the police were involved and they tased him. Listen,

Kelli (30:00.441)
Of course.

Kelli (30:08.004)
Yep.

We Wine Whenever (30:19.036)
Her explanation to me is plausible.

Kelli (30:22.519)
Yeah. mean, listen, like you said, it was 10 years ago. It's so far behind her. She was obviously in an unhappy marriage. was with her kids. it's just, who cares?

We Wine Whenever (30:30.096)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (30:41.042)
And I don't know that, yeah, I don't know that she was with her husband at the time. It sounds like she was separated because she said, you know, there was a subpoena sent to the house and I, you know, I didn't receive it because it went to the address of my license, which was my ex-husband's, my soon to be ex-husband's address. And Gina's like.

Kelli (30:45.775)
Yeah.

Kelli (30:59.279)
She wasn't sued for $500,000 for slandering someone in the press. So there's that, Tamara.

We Wine Whenever (31:04.717)
No, no, no, she wasn't. No, she wasn't.

Kelli (31:08.675)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (31:12.197)
Listen, that whole thing and I felt so bad for her. I really did.

Kelli (31:17.067)
I did too because when they brought up losing the physical and legal custody and then she explained that she was in a place that she couldn't say where. mean...

I honestly got the vibe that maybe there was some domestic violence there on her ex-husband's part, but then I don't understand why she would lose physical and legal custody unless she wanted to leave so bad and nobody would help her out that she did have to go to a place where she could not take her children and then they do. I mean, I don't know about the state of Georgia, but in the state of New Jersey, if you leave your household and your kids, they consider that abandonment.

We Wine Whenever (32:01.541)
Right. I mean, I don't know the circumstances either, but the fact that she... Right. The fact that she said that her parents who lived right there 20 minutes away wouldn't help her. That tells you right there, like what the situation was. She was trying to get out of a bad relationship. She had to leave her kids there, but she fought for 18 months and she got them back. And it's her youngest son that is there. So, you know...

Kelli (32:04.225)
Yeah, we don't and we don't need to, quite honestly.

Kelli (32:16.28)
Right.

Kelli (32:23.161)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (32:29.807)
He's got to be really, he had to be really young when this happened. So he only knows the toxic things that his father is saying to him. And it's not like she lost custody of him. He chose to be there and she's allowing him to be there because she thinks it's, you know, at one day, at one point in his life, he's going to figure out like, you know, what happened. Yes.

Kelli (32:40.11)
Right.

Kelli (32:55.287)
And she does see him. She said she sees him every break. So that's perfect. yeah, and she goes there once a month. He comes to her on his breaks and she goes there once a month. So that's great. Listen, whatever her family situation is, it is, and it should be off limits. Nobody should be coming for it.

We Wine Whenever (32:58.981)
Yes, and once a month he comes to her. Right.

Right.

We Wine Whenever (33:19.984)
I 100 % agree. And now I'll be honest with you, the whole situation with her daughter, Kylie, wanting to change her name, like it makes way more sense now. Because she's 18 now and she was eight at the time. So she was the one who really saw what was going on and knew, you know what I'm saying? So she saw it firsthand. I don't know. just, when they were talking about that, I just, and the fact that

Kelli (33:29.551)
Sure.

Kelli (33:37.933)
Right. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (33:48.59)
Emily didn't even back off on it.

Kelli (33:50.563)
She didn't back off at all.

We Wine Whenever (33:52.42)
Like that's what I thought was, you know, and I was really surprised to be honest with you, Gina didn't say anything to her. Cause I think Gina is the only one who would have gotten through, but she didn't. Right. And what, you know, we don't even know like what she's going through now with Travis. I think we're going to find out, you know, the next, the next episode, right? But I just, I, I really, I think it was heartbreaking and you know what?

Kelli (33:59.395)
I know.

Kelli (34:02.957)
Yeah. Yeah. Like look at what she had to go through.

Kelli (34:14.115)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Kelli (34:21.463)
No, and then they start talking about the Ryan thing with Jen. It's like...

I don't think they should be talking about this. I really don't think they should be talking about this. He got immunity. I don't care what you read, Emily. Let it go. It's a federal case, isn't it? Yeah, so shut up, Emily. Seriously, shut up.

We Wine Whenever (34:35.119)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (34:41.979)
Yes, absolutely. Yep, yep.

We Wine Whenever (34:48.867)
Yeah. I was not happy with this whole reunion, to be quite honest with you.

Kelli (34:55.255)
No, but I did Jen say yet or no was that next week when she says I heard your husband's family funds your whole life

We Wine Whenever (35:01.709)
No, she said it at the end of this episode. She said it at the end of this episode.

Kelli (35:03.971)
Yeah, and you see how quiet Emily got? I don't care. I don't care what Emily released on her Instagram since then. It's true.

We Wine Whenever (35:11.343)
Yeah. Yeah.

You know, I did think it was interesting that Andy asked Jen, know, when the scandal broke, did you consider breaking off your engagement with Ryan? And Jen said, you know, they both kind of just ran in opposite directions and their phones were blowing up at that point, but she already knew about it. Like he already had the immunity deal. She knew what was coming, I guess, you know, to know it's coming, right, to know it's coming and then all of a sudden it to hit like that. It's...

Kelli (35:39.734)
It's just public now.

We Wine Whenever (35:46.533)
Did you see that they did replay the conversation that Terry was a part of about, yeah.

Kelli (35:51.587)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (35:55.406)
Which, you know that...

Kelli (35:56.604)
So I have a little bit of a better understanding after I guess Emily I guess that was the one good thing Emily broke it down how they were how he was

We Wine Whenever (36:02.785)
Right.

Kelli (36:07.841)
laundering the money through the casinos. He was cashing it in for chips.

We Wine Whenever (36:11.234)
Right. Honestly, I kind of did understand that because that's what the Bravo Docket explained. You know, they...

Kelli (36:16.407)
Yeah, I must have zoned out at some point when they were talking about it.

We Wine Whenever (36:20.568)
Yeah, he was, yeah. But again, listen, I liked Emily. I'm not gonna say I don't like her anymore, but right now I don't like her. I'm gonna give her another chance. I don't know that I'm gonna give Heather another chance, to be honest with you. I don't. I know. I like to give people second chances, I do. But I feel like just Heather was just, it was too much.

Kelli (36:31.043)
Me too.

Kelli (36:36.532)
And that's bold coming from you because you have been a solid Heather fan for quite some time.

We Wine Whenever (36:49.144)
And it was too in your face and too phony.

Kelli (36:54.337)
I agree. I think she's a big giant phony. I think she'd be much better off in Beverly Hills. But I think that those Beverly Hills housewives would eat her alive. think Erika Jean would eat her alive. But I'd like to see it.

We Wine Whenever (37:07.811)
Yeah, yeah, I do love Erica Chain.

Kelli (37:11.053)
I do too. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (37:17.856)
Shannon even at the even when they're you know winding it up, you know She said if Jen if Jen is saying the only part is that he had his name on the account And Emily said no, but that's the opposite of everything that I've read

Kelli (37:30.553)
Yeah, well, who cares, Emily? Who cares what you read? The feds, listen, Emily, you wanna solve this? You wanna crack this case wide open? Go start working for the feds. I think they've got it from here. The guy got immunity. It doesn't matter what you read.

We Wine Whenever (37:32.91)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (37:43.47)
I think so too. I think so too.

Kelli (37:49.869)
I just, she's just, she's exhausting with this.

We Wine Whenever (37:52.826)
She is exhausting. you know, the last thing she says is, I, at the end of the day, I would have more respect for you and Ryan if you just said, well, he made some bad choices. Why? I mean, that's going to change your perspective of everything. You've cracked the case. You know exactly what happened. Why does he, why do they both need to say that he made bad choices? Why do they need to answer to you, Emily Simpson? Who do you think that you are?

Kelli (38:08.249)
Right.

Kelli (38:11.662)
Right.

Kelli (38:17.913)
Right.

Kelli (38:22.827)
Exactly, exactly. They don't owe you anything. You're nobody in this. You're nobody. You're just like the rest of us watching.

We Wine Whenever (38:23.78)
Like, right.

And they don't owe us anything either, we're just viewers. They don't owe us anything. No, no we're not. Like I said, I was very disappointed with this whole reunion. I'm hoping, we have two more episodes to go. I'm hoping it ends on a positive note. I thought it was going to because everyone said that it wasn't that bad of a reunion, but maybe.

Kelli (38:33.837)
No, and we're not asking for anything, by the way.

Kelli (38:46.606)
Yeah.

Kelli (38:55.759)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (38:56.385)
except for Alexis was unhinged, but Alexis is always unhinged. I hope she's on the last part. I don't want to see her next episode. I hope we don't see her until the very last segment.

Kelli (38:58.825)
that's gonna be good, that's gonna be good.

Kelli (39:06.137)
I kinda like it if they bring her out and then tell her to go away, like what they used to do with Danielle Staub. Like you can come out, but then you gotta go. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (39:11.213)
Okay, well they could do that too. They can do that too. I don't want to see her for a whole, I don't want to see her that long.

Just do your part and go.

Kelli (39:22.563)
Yeah, yep, get all unhinged and then they're gonna kick you out.

We Wine Whenever (39:26.999)
Yeah, exactly. So I think that's all I have for OC. Do you have anything else? All right. So until next time, thank you for watching and listening to WeY whenever. Bye.

Kelli (39:31.843)
Yeah. Me? No. Nope.

Kelli (39:41.603)
Bye.