RHOBH-Friendships Fractured, Marriages in Flux

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Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. We are talking about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, season 14, episode number two, A Sobering Separation. So we pick up where we left off at the party with Dory and Kyle were arguing. Dory is fed up. She feels like Kyle was flushing their eight year relationship down the drain.

Kelli (00:03.333)
I'm Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:30.961)
I wasn't really sure what they were fighting about, but they kind of made it clear. So on Watch What Happens Live, Andy asked Dorit about her relationship with Kyle, you know, has it changed since Morgan has entered the picture? And Dorit said then that she felt like, you know, the closer Kyle got to Morgan, the less, the further apart she was from Dorit. And Dorit doesn't feel that Kyle is being honest about what is happening in her life.

And that was for everyone to hear. Kyle also was upset with her about something that had happened on the stage at BravoCon when somebody asked her, I don't know if it was Andy or question that Andy was asking for somebody else.

Kelli (01:18.055)
know, someone in the audience got up and asked, rate the Richard sisters from your favorite to the least favorite. But you saw what happened. Kyle spilled a drink on her and she jokingly said, well, Kyle's laughs. And Kyle laughed very hard when she said that. She was not insulted and she was not offended.

We Wine Whenever (01:22.325)
Richards.

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Right.

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Right.

Yes, she did.

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Right, and also on the Amazon Live that Kyle did, she said that Dorit was blowing things out of proportion, and I guess she was referring to the Watch What Happens Live, that they weren't really that close, that they'd only gone on one or two vacations together, it's not like they were that close. And Dorit felt like she was minimizing their friendship, or Dorit thought it was more than Kyle thought it was, so she was hurt.

Kelli (01:44.327)
Right.

Kelli (02:08.925)
I think she was minimizing their friendship and I think that that's very hurtful for something like Doritah here. I think they were probably more couple friends than anything because of how close Mo and PK were. But we have couple friends and even though we're couple friends, like I still consider the wife like a good friend. So I honestly think Kyle is 100 % wrong in this, but that's just my personal opinion.

We Wine Whenever (02:14.038)
Mm-hmm.

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Right.

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Right.

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Yeah.

Kelli (02:36.773)
I think that when Kyle did get closer with Morgan, she did probably pull back from lot of friendships. And Dorit's just being honest about that, and I don't think Kyle liked it.

We Wine Whenever (02:49.495)
Well, I also think a part of it is that Dorit was the one bringing it up on camera about what's going on with Moe. I don't know if you remember last season when they were in the car together, she was kind of questioning her. Meanwhile, everyone in the cast knew that PK was already living at the hotel. So they weren't putting out her stories, Dorit's, but Dorit is all of a sudden putting Kyle on blast because

It's in the tabloids.

Kelli (03:18.801)
wasn't Kyle already doing that to herself? Like that whole scene with her and Maurizio when the season first started and he was talking to her about her tattoos like she was Kyle was somebody said it online like Dorit gave us more about her separation in one episode than Kyle did all last season and that is 100 % true. Kyle was like insinuating things but not

It was very odd what she was doing last season. And I don't think it's because she didn't know what was going on and she was confused.

We Wine Whenever (03:49.48)
Yeah, but-

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I do. think it was because she was, I mean, she knew it was, she knew that Mo was leaving, but I do think that she was confused as to what she was going to do. And that's what I think. But I do think that, you know, okay, yeah, Dorit gave us one more in one episode, but it had been going on for a year and she didn't speak of it at all.

Kelli (04:12.051)
What if somebody asked her she would have had to? So really somebody should have put her on the spot like she put Kyle on the spot.

We Wine Whenever (04:14.464)
Mmm.

We Wine Whenever (04:18.293)
But nobody would do that to her. I mean, that's the point. Like they didn't do that to her and they all knew, they all have said they all knew what was going on. They all knew. I mean, even Erica said, even though she was upset when she told her, she knew about it. It really wasn't a surprise. So like, is that really a good friend?

Kelli (04:27.347)
Yeah.

Kelli (04:39.057)
And I think Dorit keeps saying PK's an alcoholic. This is my personal opinion because I think PK really was, really did have a drinking problem and everybody on the cast knew it and probably everybody else in their life. And probably for years, Dorit made excuses for him because that's what people, know, that's what spouses do. And now she's finally like, whew, yeah, yep, you gotta drink a problem. Like she's probably finally like,

I can admit it. He finally admitted it and he's sober now and doing great. So now I can admit it because for years she probably tried to hide it and cover it up for him. Publicly, publicly.

We Wine Whenever (05:18.783)
I mean, that could be true. Yeah, no, I agree that that's probably true. I still don't like how she keeps doing it. I think it's insensitive.

Kelli (05:26.331)
I mean, least he said it first and is in recovery and doing well. If that weren't the case and she kept saying it, I would feel the same way you do.

We Wine Whenever (05:37.237)
I mean, the reason I really don't like it is mostly because of her children, to be quite honest with you. I mean, I know that they say that they're not telling them, but listen, there's going to come a time when they're going to see this. And to have their mother speaking about their father that way, I just think it's brutal. I just think it's brutal. That's just my opinion. I mean, and the bottom line is they didn't resolve anything at this party. You know, they didn't resolve anything. You know, they both leave the party.

Kelli (05:44.465)
Right.

Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (06:06.399)
Boze seems concerned about how upset Dorit was when she had left because, you know, they got so close in that one meeting because Dorit, you know, just told her everything that was going on in her life. But then the next thing we get to see is we get to learn a little bit about Boze. So her real name is Bozema. Bozema, can't even pronounce it, Mamiki Arthur St. John, otherwise known as Boze, which I can get behind because I could, I could spell it.

Kelli (06:16.957)
Yeah.

Kelli (06:34.193)
Yeah. Yeah. think she's a good addition.

We Wine Whenever (06:36.106)
Yes, her name is Guyana, Guyana, and it means goddess, which is so fitting for her because I do think she is a goddess. I really do. I mean, I think that. Yes, yes, I mean, she was named Forbes named her number one most influential CMO in the world. Since she's retired, she's been busier than ever.

Kelli (06:46.951)
Yeah, yeah, she has a presence for sure.

We Wine Whenever (07:05.13)
She's doing her podcast. She's doing these workshops, the badass workshop, because everyone would ask her, like, you know, how do you get to the corner office? So she's trying to empower women and teach them how to get there. And we see a little bit of the workshop where she's telling them, you know, she was working for PepsiCo and she signed the largest deal ever with the NFL for the Super Bowl halftime show to sponsor it.

A months later, they discover that her husband has cancer, terminal cancer, that they were separated from at the time. They were separated. His name is Peter Daniel St. John. And she at the time was looking for her black prince charming, but she wound up meeting some ginger-haired Italian background, no black friends kind of guy. I love that. I think that's so funny.

Kelli (07:38.643)
That was awful.

Kelli (08:00.258)
That was funny.

We Wine Whenever (08:00.97)
couldn't be more opposite of what she was looking for, whatever it was about them, they clicked and it worked for them. And then three months later, he passes away.

Kelli (08:06.535)
Yep. Yeah.

Kelli (08:12.595)
That's terrible.

We Wine Whenever (08:13.704)
Her daughter was only four years old, which is tragic, Lael. So she was robbed of ever having a relationship with her father. And February the following year, which was 2014, which is 10 years ago now, she was up for review when her boss says to her that she hadn't hit enough home runs. Which is like, what? Right, right.

Kelli (08:17.267)
Yeah.

Kelli (08:36.305)
Yeah, like come on, the NFL halftime show?

We Wine Whenever (08:41.146)
And she knew then that she needed to pivot and good for her. Good for her. think that she is an inspiration to all women, to be honest with you.

Kelli (08:47.719)
Yeah. She's a great speaker. She's, she was very motivational. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (08:52.478)
Yep. And again, we got to learn a lot about her, you know, which I like that. I like to get to know these housewives. I like to know where they came from, how they got to be there, what makes them, you know, I think that's important. Then we see Sutton meeting up with Kyle and the last time Sutton was there, she talks about how she got a little Botox from a doctor at

Kelli (09:05.713)
Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (09:20.317)
Yeah, in the hotel room.

We Wine Whenever (09:21.821)
at the hotel. I was like, okay, son.

Kelli (09:26.109)
Did you hear Kyle? She's like, how long ago was it? Like basically saying like it's worn off. Right? Like that's how I took it. Maybe I'm wrong.

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Right.

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you see, that's so funny. It's so funny. She probably did mean it that way, but I didn't take it that way.

Kelli (09:37.647)
Okay. I'm like, damn, that's not a- when somebody tells you they got Botox, you don't normally ask how long ago, because you're insinuating that they need it again.

We Wine Whenever (09:40.049)
You

Then they're talking about Kyle and her family vacations and you know Kyle says she trusts Mo and that they'll always be okay because Sutton feels like that Kyle needs to just file and she needs to get a lawyer and she needs to make a move and I know she's telling her this because of what happened to her with her divorce situation.

Kelli (10:10.759)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (10:12.073)
I know she has good intentions, but not everyone's situation is the same.

Kelli (10:17.979)
No, and there's two things to this. Like, I can't believe Kyle hasn't even spoken to an attorney yet, but she's in the past said, like, I don't ask questions, Mo tells me to sign things and I sign them. And in that respect, I honestly do think that if they do get divorced, and it does sound like they're headed that way, it will be amicable, and I don't think he's gonna look to screw her over. Like, I understand where Sutton's coming from, because it does seem like her husband was trying to withhold.

We Wine Whenever (10:47.845)
Right, right.

Kelli (10:47.933)
from her. I would hope that Mo wouldn't do that to Kyle, but you really don't ever know. And I'm sure they've had the same attorney and accountant and team handling their finances forever since they've made all of this money. So she's probably like, what do mean get an attorney? I have an attorney. Like our attorney is going to do everything for, you know what I mean? Like I do think that Kyle, I think she has every right to trust Maurizio. I just hope.

We Wine Whenever (11:10.642)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (11:17.457)
I really hope he doesn't screw her over. But I also understand where Sutton's coming from. Like Sutton probably didn't think her husband would do that to her either. Although, I mean, I don't know. I just, maybe because we've all watched Maurizio on TV for so long and we love him and we know that they were really truly happily married and in love for so long. They have these daughters that they both love dearly, obviously. So.

I don't know, I can't see him trying to withhold anything from her, but you just never know when it comes to money.

We Wine Whenever (11:51.388)
You don't know, but she did say that she owns half of everything that they have, even the agency. Right.

Kelli (11:55.731)
Well, California is a 50-50 state and whatever they have, they have acquired during their marriage. So I don't think he'd have a leg to stand on, quite honestly. She does own 50 % of the agency or 50 % of his, his, yeah.

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Right.

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Right, and cut.

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Right, absolutely. And she said, you know, he's even said it in his book that he wouldn't have any of this without her. And then, know, Sutton in her confessionals like, well, I hardly think the book is going to be evidence in it. But, you know, come on. I mean, it's not going to be evidence. But I think that Kyle is is right in her thought that, listen, you know, he's publicly said that everything I have I wouldn't have without Kyle. And like you said, 50 percent the law is and, you know, they had nothing.

Kelli (12:26.717)
She's right. She's right.

Kelli (12:32.753)
Yes, yes.

We Wine Whenever (12:42.895)
You know? Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (12:43.047)
And by the way, that's in New Jersey too.

Whatever you acquire during the marriage is 50-50.

We Wine Whenever (12:49.829)
No, I always told Bill it's cheaper to keep her.

Kelli (12:53.191)
Yeah, fuck yeah. I say something else to Eric, which is I gotta stop saying. He's worth more to me when he's, yeah. I gotta stop saying that, it's really not nice. He laughs it off, but I know deep down he's not laughing.

We Wine Whenever (12:58.056)
Dad, yeah, my mother used to say that to my dad. It's not, it's really not.

Kelli (13:15.379)
But I do think that Kyle should listen to what Sutton has to say because she's a good friend and she's been through it and she was very successful in the end, wasn't she? 350 day a month.

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She was very successful. Sutton, yeah, so Sutton is actually even, she kind of elaborates on it a little bit more, because she does say to her, I think you need to file. And Kyle says, why? And Sutton says, because if you go on to do something else and then you're, if you file now, that'll be your date. So if you go on to do something else, then he'll get a portion of that as well, if you don't have a file date. But the same thing goes true, the same thing goes true for him too.

Kelli (13:47.015)
Kelli (13:54.909)
That's interesting.

We Wine Whenever (13:57.998)
He could go on to do something else as well. So, you know.

Kelli (14:00.657)
Right.

Kelli (14:04.273)
And his show did get canceled. Like, listen, obviously the agency is extremely successful. mean, the growth from when he first started, and we only know this from watching the show, it's obviously worth a lot of money. But real estate is, you know, not recession proof. It's ebbs and flows and...

We Wine Whenever (14:17.178)
Right.

Kelli (14:30.481)
I don't know, does she get 50 % of what it's worth right now and then plus no future earnings once she files?

We Wine Whenever (14:39.654)
I know. Well, and I guess that's maybe the point Sutton's making. Like get a file date. Even if it's a separation file date, I don't know. I don't know if that's something that they do, you know? Like a legal separation, you know? I mean, they said that they're separated, but is there a legal date that you separate?

Kelli (14:40.69)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Kelli (14:52.891)
I don't think.

Kelli (14:58.895)
I don't know. I don't know if you file to separate. I've never worked in a divorce firm, thankfully, because that's nasty. No, I've no, I've had friends who who have, you know, worked at law firms that handle divorce and it's just not. No.

We Wine Whenever (15:03.907)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I would not want to do that.

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No, it doesn't sound like it. So then the next thing we see, see Boz is at her house with her assistant, Nico, and Erica and Jerita are on their way.

Kelli (15:23.763)
I think he's going to be a cast member himself. Don't you? Me too. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (15:28.942)
I like him. Yeah, I liked Nico. I do like him. I thought it was interesting that Boz asked the ladies to take their shoes off when they got there. And then she says, okay, we're going to go outside. And I'm like, wait, but she has slippers there waiting for them as she should.

Kelli (15:44.919)
I like, so I don't know who it was. Was it Jennifer Aiden? Somebody gave you, like if you don't want people to walk in your house with their shoes on, which I don't ever ask anybody to take their shoes off, but whatever.

We Wine Whenever (15:58.351)
I don't either, but some people like that.

Kelli (16:01.043)
Somebody had those little slippers that you just put over your shoes.

We Wine Whenever (16:06.022)
the blue disposable ones.

Kelli (16:09.835)
Something like up to me. It's like gifts. Give people that so they don't have to take their shoes off

We Wine Whenever (16:17.049)
Yeah, yeah, right.

Kelli (16:18.331)
Unless they want to. I think it was Jen Eden who did that, but I could be wrong. Maybe Mary Cosby?

We Wine Whenever (16:23.673)
Listen, I think if you're a baller, just have slippers there waiting for them.

Kelli (16:29.393)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah, just have the slippers and she did both. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (16:32.665)
I mean, yeah, she absolutely did. She absolutely did. And I'll be honest with you, I probably should take my shoes off because we hosted Thanksgiving and we had mopped the floor obviously before Thanksgiving and there was a couple of spills. So I just got down on my hands and knees and I was like wiping it up with like a, I was like, wow, this floor is dirty. And we had just mopped it. it's,

Kelli (16:56.199)
yeah. No, you never do your floors before you have company. You gotta wait until after they leave and then you do the floors.

We Wine Whenever (17:02.181)
Well, of course we did it again, but I, you know, doing the cleanups in between, I'm just like, I can't believe it's this dirty, we just mopped it. So then Erica and Dorit, they asked Boz like what she thought about the party and she, Boz, it's Boz, what she thought about the party and she like asked what Kyle was mad about. Like she had no idea what that whole, and why would she? You know, she'd never met her.

Kelli (17:06.651)
Yeah.

Kelli (17:10.907)
I know, I know.

Kelli (17:29.403)
Right, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (17:31.528)
And Doreen said, I don't know, she keeps changing what she's upset with me about. Which it goes back to like, she doesn't know what kind of friend she wants her to be. Who were we talking about that with? Somebody on Potomac, right? Wasn't it Potomac?

Kelli (17:51.763)
can't remember. I remember he's so bad.

We Wine Whenever (17:54.402)
I know. Anyway, she doesn't know really what kind of friend she wants her to be at this point, because they keep getting...

Kelli (18:00.903)
Maybe it was New York with Erin and Brynn and them, that mess and saw, know, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (18:03.927)
maybe it was New York. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. There's too many going on right now. It's just too, I know. There is too many. I know. I know. It's very true.

Kelli (18:11.101)
I know, think that OC's done. I'm like, woo. but then Beverly Hills picked up. So we really didn't lose anything.

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (18:25.508)
So then Erica says she sees both sides of it. And I think...

Kelli (18:28.443)
I feel bad for Erica because I feel like she's trying to stay in the middle. Yeah. Yeah, I do think she's doing a good job of it. I'll tell you what she's not doing. She's not pulling a Dolores. She's not doing that. She really is riding the fence, Erica. And she's not flipping to one side or the other.

We Wine Whenever (18:32.094)
And she is, and honestly I think she's doing a good job of it.

We Wine Whenever (18:42.346)
No, no, she's not. Yes, yes, she is. Right, right. Which I appreciate. I'd rather you do that than, you yeah. Meanwhile, we see Mo and PK are off together living their best lives.

Kelli (18:50.983)
Yep, yep, yeah.

Kelli (19:01.895)
That's what Erica says. Like, what are we doing? We're fighting in Encino. And PKMO are off living their best lives. And she's right. She's right.

We Wine Whenever (19:03.041)
Yeah. Right. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (19:10.052)
She absolutely is. And then Baz asks if there's any chance of reconciliation for PK. And this is kind of what we were saying, I think, about why she didn't tell the children or she wasn't going to tell the children is because I think she thought maybe there's a possibility that there will be a reconciliation and she didn't want to traumatize the children that she didn't need to.

And at this point, she says yes, but I think once we get to later on in the episode, maybe she will have the realization that we all have that I don't think that there's gonna be a reconciliation. I don't know.

Kelli (19:47.931)
I still have hopes for it, but I'll tell you what, I do now understand why she's not telling her kids because when she said that if they got into a fight, PK would take off and not come back for weeks and she'd have to tell her kids that he was working. So listen, if that was common in their household, there's nothing wrong with her not telling her kids right now because they are little.

We Wine Whenever (19:49.601)
You do? Okay.

We Wine Whenever (20:00.45)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (20:13.699)
And if this was normal for them not to see their father for a couple of weeks, why tell them then now? If she's in hopes that they will reconcile? And I do have hopes for it, I do. I think that if, but we'll get to it. I mean, obviously more things come up when the two of them sit down and speak, but I think that Dorit wants to reconcile for sure.

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Right.

Yes, yes.

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Okay.

We Wine Whenever (20:35.787)
Yes, yes.

We Wine Whenever (20:41.52)
I do too. I do too.

Kelli (20:44.093)
Did you, I just saw a real quick thing today earlier that Jeff Lewis was on the Vile Files and insinuated that.

We Wine Whenever (20:51.468)
Okay.

Kelli (20:57.127)
The separation could also be due not only to his alcoholism, but because Dorit is putting the show, Dorit has put the show before her marriage and kids. If I got that wrong, somebody please feel free to clear it up because like I said, I saw it real quick and then I took a nap. But.

We Wine Whenever (21:20.45)
So listen, I just saw today on, I didn't listen to it, but I listened to a small clip of it, the one that Alex Baskin does. What is that podcast?

Kelli (21:32.915)
so I don't listen to it, but I know what you're talking about. Right.

We Wine Whenever (21:33.847)
But he's a producer, right? So he was talking to Dorie and he said, and P.K. is the one that wanted her to do Housewives. She did not want to do Housewives. The only reason she did it is because P.K. wanted her to do it. given that fact, why would she be putting the Housewives? She didn't even want to do it. Like that doesn't make sense.

Kelli (21:43.515)
Yes. Yes.

Kelli (21:50.619)
Yes, I had heard that too.

Kelli (21:58.427)
I'm sure once you get there and then you get a taste of the fame, I don't know. I'm just saying that's what I saw today that Jeff Lewis said on Nick Viles podcast. But I don't know, how would Jeff Lewis know? Who's he friends with? Well, he is friends with Crystal and yeah. 100%.

We Wine Whenever (22:14.935)
Jeff Lewis just-

He's crensed with a lot of them, but you know what? He's a pot stirrer. He's a pot stirrer, so I don't necessarily believe him. And the more I listen, I do listen to him. And I'm very conflicted about it, to be quite honest with you, because I know that there's a lot of things about him that are very bad, but I still listen to him. I don't know.

Kelli (22:28.731)
I know, he's good, he's good. I know.

We Wine Whenever (22:41.67)
so what then what else happened? So Sutton says that although Kyle and her have their ups and downs, she still wants to be there for her. Sutton says that about Kyle. Sutton's planning this pizza party, to go over to her house and kind of cheer her up. So she's got these pizza kits and Erica comes over and Kathy Hilton come over and they all get in a car together and they head over to Kyle's house because,

I guess Sutton heard earlier in the day that Kyle had walked into Moe's office and he had replaced a picture of her and Moe with a picture of her and Emma, him and Emma, his Dancing with the Stars partner.

Kelli (23:25.541)
Now, why do you think that bothers her so much when she was all over Instagram and social media with Morgan?

We Wine Whenever (23:34.293)
Well, because now when they set the office, I was assuming it was his work office, but then when they walked, but why would he do that in the house if he just moved out? And why wouldn't you take it with him? I think that doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense.

Kelli (23:40.348)
no, I knew what they meant, that office in the house.

Kelli (23:45.989)
That's what mean. Right. why? None of it makes sense. Them going there and acting like she didn't know they were coming didn't make sense because that was so staged and so fake and produced. It's ridiculous.

We Wine Whenever (24:01.257)
Especially, yes, but especially since you have to get through a gate.

Kelli (24:04.847)
And every scene with Kathy Hilton is just ridiculous.

We Wine Whenever (24:10.945)
It was ridiculous. It really was.

Kelli (24:14.195)
But I'm like, listen, I mean, I understand your husband has a picture of you up and then there's a picture of him and another woman. You've technically been separated. This has been going on for two years now. Think about when, you know what I'm saying? Two years. You were all over social media with this girl. All over it.

We Wine Whenever (24:28.904)
but in your own house?

We Wine Whenever (24:36.321)
I

Kelli (24:36.327)
I guess it's different because like you're saying, it's a picture in your own house, but.

We Wine Whenever (24:40.563)
It's in your own house. And that means that you had to go physically take the frame down, take one picture out and put another picture in. Like that takes effort. What man does that? That's what I'm saying. Like what man is, what, that's exactly my point. Like what man is doing that?

Kelli (24:51.357)
Do you really think Maurizio's doing that kind of stuff himself? You think he's swapping out a picture?

Kelli (25:00.465)
Yeah, Eric wouldn't do it, and Eric doesn't have people working for him like Maurizio did.

We Wine Whenever (25:06.249)
Right, like I don't know a single man that would go change a picture in their house from one to another in a frame. No, no one's doing that.

Kelli (25:11.237)
No, me neither. Me neither. Nope. No. I call bullshit.

We Wine Whenever (25:18.73)
I have to agree because it did not make sense to me. It did not make sense. And them trying to figure out getting me how to get into the gate and pretending that they're Amazon and ugh.

Kelli (25:21.58)
No.

Kelli (25:28.325)
Yeah, and Cathy has to do a voice because she's so funny. I just feel like Kyle's playing victim. And like I said, this has been going on for two years. I think you're dragging it out. don't know. I don't know what your gig is. I just I don't get it. I don't get it.

We Wine Whenever (25:31.122)
Right. Right. mean...

We Wine Whenever (25:48.288)
and I did like, I did like seeing her in the kitchen with Portia making dinner. Like that I liked, but then unfortunately Portia had to go upstairs once the lady showed up. So we didn't get to see Portia anymore.

Kelli (25:52.955)
Absolutely. I like seeing that too.

Kelli (25:59.409)
Right. She's so cute though. She's so pretty. Their daughters really are beautiful.

We Wine Whenever (26:01.838)
She really is. They are. And they're really, honestly, they seem all to be very much down to earth.

Kelli (26:09.415)
Yeah. Yes, they do. Yes, they do. Yes, they do.

We Wine Whenever (26:11.156)
Like, right?

she's running out.

Kelli (26:16.637)
compared to other housewives' kids who don't have nearly the money that Kyle and Maurizio do. The way they behave is very different.

We Wine Whenever (26:19.913)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (26:24.981)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (26:33.928)
I agree. So then they're making their pizzas, kind of. I don't really think they even made the pizzas, right? Right. And then Cathy's sitting down talking to Sutton and asking, you know, you know, how Gors- or where Garcelle is. And she's telling her that she's in Atlanta and she's shooting the two movies. Sutton says, listen, we're here for you, Kyle. And I'm glad to see that they're there for her, but I don't know that we needed to do this whole pizza story.

Kelli (26:40.813)
Not at all. Not at all.

Kelli (27:03.547)
No, but it did give Kathy Hilton the opportunity to clown on Maurizio for his Instagram posts. And then she says that her family doesn't discuss him. And then they show the post where Paris slammed him in the press.

We Wine Whenever (27:20.127)
No, I do too.

Kelli (27:22.489)
I do love it when production does that. She's like, my family doesn't talk about them. And then they put the headline up there.

We Wine Whenever (27:28.583)
Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (27:33.855)
Okay, and then the ladies all leave in their pajamas. They put on their pajamas and then they leave in their pajamas.

Kelli (27:33.875)
That's great.

Kelli (27:40.221)
Did you notice that they left one by one, but they all came in the same vehicle?

We Wine Whenever (27:43.807)
Yes, I did. I did. And Cathy's like carrying her clothes in her arms. Like she doesn't even have a bag. Cathy, who has a bag for everything, like got her clothes scrunched up in her arms. I was like, it really is. It really is. Okay, the next thing we see is that PK meets up with Dorit and they're in the restaurant and he's showing off his new clothes to her. And

Kelli (27:56.733)
So stupid. So stupid.

my god.

We Wine Whenever (28:13.459)
He stands up and he says, this is single PK. He does.

Kelli (28:17.703)
He does look good. He had quite the glow up, PK. See what not drinking alcohol can do for you?

We Wine Whenever (28:24.337)
Yep. That's what he said. He's lost all this weight now that he's no longer drinking.

Kelli (28:29.755)
by the way, real quick, I just want to say shout out. My husband today is three years. He has not had an ounce of alcohol.

We Wine Whenever (28:36.799)
Shout out to Eric. That's awesome.

Kelli (28:38.565)
You believe that? He does not have a drinking problem for anyone at home, but he made a decision three years ago to just not drink alcohol anymore. Three years. Yeah. So good job, big guy. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (28:50.025)
That's great.

We Wine Whenever (28:54.151)
Yeah, awesome. So he says that he didn't know how bad he had this disease. P.K. said that, meaning alcoholism. And listen, I like that he's owning it. I like that he's done something about it. And you know.

Kelli (29:08.531)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (29:14.675)
that he's moving forward. But the look on Dorit's face, you know, when he stands up and he says, this is single PK, and then in her confessional, she's like, I don't think he has any idea how that makes me feel. And he definitely does not. He doesn't. He doesn't. And for that, I feel bad for her. I do.

Kelli (29:31.238)
No, he doesn't.

Kelli (29:35.951)
Yeah, because he basically says that he did what she wanted him to do, right? He stopped drinking and I guess he feels like it's still not enough. you know, so basically he feels like she was deprioritizing him.

We Wine Whenever (29:46.812)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (29:56.648)
Right.

Kelli (29:57.085)
But I have to be honest, I feel like a lot of men feel that way when women have children. That's why Tommy Lee and Pamela Anderson got divorced. They're very open about it. They both admit to that. He felt like he wasn't number one anymore in her eyes. I do think it's a fine line because we've had this conversation before over other franchises.

We're Christians and that's not the only religion that says this, but you're supposed to obviously put God or whoever your higher power is first, then your spouse, your partner, and then your kids. It's very difficult for us to do that though as moms, and I'm sure some dads too. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (30:36.335)
It is. It is. I agree. It is. It is hard. But what I thought was interesting, what he said is that, you know, and he put himself in there too, that you and I, we don't speak nice to each other. And if we spoke to the server, the way that we speak to each other, we would be thrown out of this restaurant.

Kelli (30:50.706)
Right.

Kelli (30:57.831)
Yeah. I, listen, I get it. Same thing goes on in my house sometimes, you know? I'll be the first to admit it. We're not always super nice to each other. You got to really keep yourself in check. And if there's, and if there's drinking involved, it's way worse.

We Wine Whenever (31:09.962)
yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (31:19.708)
And then P.K. says, it's not like we don't like each other. I don't question the love. Like I do love you. He says, I've made the biggest changes that you wanted, but I don't think you made any changes. So what changes did you want her to make? You wanted her to stop taking care of the kids and then, were you there after you made the big changes? So you got sober, but did you get sober and then move back in? Or did you get sober and stay in the hotel?

Kelli (31:48.837)
And he kind of said to her what I think was part of an issue between Maurizio and Kyle as well. Like he was like, you used to be social. You used to come out with me. used to. So for Doree, she's got little kids at home. It's, it's way more difficult to do that. And then for Kyle, although her kids are older, sometimes you just don't want to do that anymore. Like, you know, especially if she's trying to live a healthier lifestyle by not drinking.

We Wine Whenever (32:03.719)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (32:10.822)
Right, right.

Kelli (32:19.751)
But Doreen, she's got young kids at home.

We Wine Whenever (32:23.557)
Right, no, she definitely does. Yeah.

Kelli (32:26.085)
And you know, good for her that she's not leaving her kids every night to go out and socialize and leaving them with a nanny. Because what kind of, you know, that's not good either.

We Wine Whenever (32:36.879)
No, it certainly is not. It's not. I mean, I did like that he said to her that, you know, we'll always be family. You know, I'll always be there for you until I die. Which, I mean, you have to say that because like you have small children, they will always be family. I mean, they, you know, they have to co-parent. And then Dorit says, well, we're talking five times a day. And he's like, well, that's going to stop. That's when I think she was like,

Kelli (32:51.037)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (33:04.866)
Yeah, I agree with you there. I don't think she saw that coming and I don't think she liked it at all.

We Wine Whenever (33:08.556)
No, no. He said we have to break this co-dependency. You know, and I agree because if you don't feel like you're going to get back together, you do need to stop that because the talking five times a day is what's giving her hope. You know, you need to stop that. You need to figure a way forward and you need to set clear boundaries. You know?

Kelli (33:23.899)
Right. Yeah.

Kelli (33:31.954)
Right.

Kelli (33:35.421)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (33:35.638)
And that's going to be hard. I think that's going to be hard for her.

Kelli (33:40.327)
I think that they were extremely honest and I think that this was a real conversation that they had on camera and I think it's way more than we've gotten from Kyle and Maritzy over the past two years. I feel bad they're going through this, but I think they're very brave for doing it on camera.

We Wine Whenever (33:58.54)
No, I do too. I absolutely do too. I guess we're just gonna have to wait and see. We're only on episode two, so there's plenty left for us to see how it plays out.

Kelli (34:09.147)
Yeah, yeah. Real quick, have you seen, I haven't watched any of it, because I don't really care for Andy Cohen that much anymore. But they did that thing in Miami. It wasn't BravoCon, but yeah. Did you notice that there were no Jersey Housewives? Every other franchise had Housewives there, no Jersey Housewives.

We Wine Whenever (34:14.214)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (34:22.83)
Yeah, the FanFest.

We Wine Whenever (34:29.872)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (34:33.562)
I did notice that there were no Jersey housewives. Although, you know what? I don't think there were any Potomac housewives there either.

Kelli (34:40.587)
I thought there were.

We Wine Whenever (34:42.594)
No, I don't think, no, there was not any Potomac Housewives.

Kelli (34:47.697)
I wonder why are they still filming?

We Wine Whenever (34:49.976)
No, because they're airing now, so they're not filming. They're airing. I don't know. I think it was very limited. Even in the people that were there. So I was watching some of the Watch What Happens Lives because they were down there. So one of them was, it was Summerhouse. So it was Kyle and Amanda, Sienna and Jesse Solomon. And on that same episode was Captain Sandy, Captain Carrie,

Kelli (34:52.541)
Alright.

We Wine Whenever (35:21.016)
And what's her name? No, not Asia. The one that just had a baby. Kate Chastain. Kate Chastain and somebody. Well, she still does stuff here and there. Kate Chastain was on it and somebody else and now I can't think of who. And they were playing games and stuff and it was like, you know, a live audience.

Kelli (35:22.067)
I don't like that Captain Carrie.

Asia.

Kelli (35:30.887)
key testing.

I don't even know Bravo anymore.

We Wine Whenever (35:47.663)
But they didn't have full cast of anything, because I also saw the one where they had Cynthia Bailey, they had Phaedra Parks, and they had Portia. That was from Atlanta, and then the other cast members were from Miami, I think.

Kelli (35:56.819)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (36:03.793)
Yeah, I saw they had Miami. Were any girls there? OC? Okay.

We Wine Whenever (36:05.795)
And again, Miami was filming. Any which girls? No OC, no New York, no New York, no OC, no New York.

Kelli (36:17.382)
see, I thought Jersey was the only one that didn't have people there. Okay, so that makes sense then.

We Wine Whenever (36:19.999)
No, no, no, it wasn't. It wasn't that. There was some Salt Lake City girls there, but not all of them. I think it was Heather and Lisa. Yeah. And Meredith, think, or maybe Whitney. Was Whitney there? I don't know, but there were certain cities that were not represented at all. So it wasn't just New Jersey. And it was very limited. And the only reason, one, it was in Miami. Two, they're filming Miami now. So the Miami women were there and we got

Kelli (36:30.769)
I saw Meredith with Lisa.

Kelli (36:41.5)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (36:50.107)
to meet the new Miami housewife, but I don't even remember her to be honest with you, it was just like a split second.

Kelli (36:56.069)
Is it really that guy Anthony's ex?

We Wine Whenever (36:58.754)
Yes it is. Yes it is. And some people are saying that is maybe the reason she decided not to come back. And it could very well be, but she doesn't need it anyway. She doesn't need it. She's got... Nope, she does not need it. I agree.

Kelli (37:07.155)
She doesn't need that show. She's too good for that show. Yeah, I love watching her Instagrams with her and her husband and their private jet and their yachts their beautiful children. Like, God bless her. She doesn't need to be in that mess. Those girls are so messy on Miami.

We Wine Whenever (37:18.254)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (37:23.47)
Yes, the in-

We Wine Whenever (37:27.822)
They are messy. interesting thing was, I saw Julia on it. So she adopted twins.

Kelli (37:33.107)
Hmm.

We Wine Whenever (37:36.666)
What's her name? Alexia wants to get back with Todd. Her boys miss Todd. Todd doesn't want to film, so that's maybe why he filed for divorce, they're thinking. Yes. Right.

Kelli (37:47.847)
Really? Just don't film. Why do you have to film if you're married? People do that.

We Wine Whenever (37:55.438)
Well, doesn't come off very good when he films, so he shouldn't film.

Kelli (38:00.357)
No, he's probably shouldn't.

We Wine Whenever (38:02.102)
I thought the very interesting thing was Adriana and Alexia are good now. Like they're getting along. Yeah. And somebody else is getting along too that wasn't getting along and I can't remember. Maybe Marisol. It could be Marisol.

Kelli (38:10.129)
That is interesting.

Kelli (38:17.126)
I can't stand Marisol.

We Wine Whenever (38:23.501)
I don't remember. All right, so we'll have to wait and see what happens with those other franchises.

Kelli (38:25.136)
Yeah.

Kelli (38:29.701)
Yeah, I'll definitely watch Miami. I'm not really into Atlanta. I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (38:34.975)
I gotta see it. I mean, watching Portia and Phaedra and Cynthia Bailey, no, you have to watch Atlanta. I'm telling you, it's gonna be good. It's gonna be good.

Kelli (38:48.199)
I'm a little annoyed what they did to Kenya. I really am.

We Wine Whenever (38:52.567)
No, I- no.

Kelli (38:53.541)
Just saying there's no way she put all these posters up without production knowing. Production had to know what she was doing.

We Wine Whenever (39:03.833)
I agree they probably knew, that doesn't mean they would tell her.

Kelli (39:06.557)
and then they turn it on her. It's the same thing they did to Brandi Glanville.

Kelli (39:12.6)
Whatever. We will see what happens.

We Wine Whenever (39:13.293)
We'll see what happens.

Okay, until next time, thank you for watching. Please give us five star reviews and tell your friends. Bye.

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