Erika Breaks Down, Dorit EXPOSED & Amanda Under Fire 🔥 RHOBH Reunion

Wendy (00:00.974)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:05.16)
Kelly.

Lori (00:05.93)
and I'm Laurie.

Wendy (00:07.948)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, season 15, reunion part one. Actually, before we do that, we're gonna do our call to action. Please head over to YouTube and hit the subscribe button and tell your friends. And thank you for everyone who has already subscribed, because we are growing our subscribers on YouTube. And we appreciate you.

Kelli (00:31.729)
and Instagram.

Wendy (00:33.78)
Instagram too, that's fabulous.

Kelli (00:35.496)
Mm-hmm, I'm getting more interaction on Instagram

Wendy (00:39.598)
Yeah, that's great. My overall thought for the reunion was it wasn't a bad first part of the reunion. That was my overall thought. Normally the first part is like not so great before we get into it. What was your overall thought of it?

Lori (00:42.006)
Nice.

Kelli (00:56.774)
I'm kind of surprised that some of the things I saw online, like a lot of people were like, Andy is so over Dory. I didn't get that impression at all. Like people are saying that I didn't, maybe that comes in the next episode, but I didn't, I didn't get the impression that Andy's over Dory. I do think that Andy tries to not let her talk too much just because she can obviously go on and on.

Lori (01:04.938)
Yes, I saw a lot of that too, that he just can't stand her.

Wendy (01:14.445)
I didn't see that.

Wendy (01:24.11)
She's wordy. Yeah, she rambles.

Kelli (01:25.404)
Yes, she's wordy. So I think he tries to stop that. Yeah. But I didn't, I didn't think he was annoyed with her at all or... Yeah. It was good though. Yeah.

Wendy (01:37.186)
I didn't get that impression either. thought it was overall, I thought it was good. So we start out with actually Dorit was not the last one on the set. It was Amanda. I actually was thinking about it.

Lori (01:46.801)
How do you like that?

Kelli (01:49.0)
What did you think of the set, Lore?

Lori (01:53.302)
It's alright. You dead? It's alright.

Kelli (01:53.672)
See, I liked it.

Wendy (01:55.318)
I did too. The iconic Rodeo Drive.

Kelli (01:57.342)
I don't know if it was the whole pretty woman of it all. I see that and I think of pretty woman, but I liked it.

Wendy (02:01.795)
Yeah.

Lori (02:05.972)
Yeah, it's all right. It was a better set than some that I've seen. That's for sure. That's for sure.

Wendy (02:07.918)
I do too.

Kelli (02:12.648)
Yeah. I mean, I liked it also because like they could have done the whole, you know, Italy thing. Like they, like they keep doing lately. Like they decorate the set according to what trip they, they went on. But yeah, but I liked that they just kept it LA, Beverly Hills, you know, Rodin.

Lori (02:22.07)
The trip. Right. Yeah.

Wendy (02:25.506)
The cash trip, right, right.

Wendy (02:31.98)
Yeah, absolutely.

Lori (02:34.442)
But now, Dorie walking in with someone holding her train was just way too much. That was too much. No, I didn't see her. They look like platforms.

Wendy (02:41.72)
Did you see her shoes? Did you see her shoes when she was walking in? She had platforms like this, platforms like this, and she was like kind of doing like a little kind of waddle. Like she could barely, you know, like, I guess.

Kelli (02:42.487)
I didn't-

Kelli (02:46.803)
Yeah.

Lori (02:55.38)
walking in, somebody holding her train. was like, girl, no, stop it. Stop it now. Stop.

Kelli (03:01.202)
Well, she probably didn't want to trip over it with those big old plaps.

Lori (03:04.787)
Yeah, you just, mean, women have walked with long gowns for a long time. You simply, you pick it up. Yeah. And how about Boz 74 pounds. And it's so much prettier up close.

Wendy (03:05.024)
Yeah.

Kelli (03:09.566)
You pick it up.

Kelli (03:20.201)
Yes it is. Yes it is. Actually, I think all of them were. All of them were nicer up close.

Lori (03:22.314)
but she's running a close second.

Wendy (03:22.445)
Yeah.

Lori (03:26.942)
Much pretty, right up close. But Bose is just a couple pounds shy of Jennifer's 80 pounds for her gown. Yeah, it's a lot of poundage. A lot of poundage.

Kelli (03:33.534)
my god. That's crazy. I can't even imagine.

Wendy (03:38.956)
Yeah, I can't imagine either. So Andy starts out by saying hi to Rachel and then everyone's obsessed with her boys. And Andy asked if Skyler has bought any Hermes bracelets for any girls. And she's like, no, I told him he's not allowed to do that unless he asks me. And we find out that, yes. Well, who else would he buy it for?

Kelli (03:58.066)
Now he only bought her one, right? Yeah.

Well that's what- I was a little surprised that Andy asked if he bought any girls an Aramés bracelet. I'm like, he bought it for his mom. it's not like the little kids out there making it rain with Aramés bracelets, like-

Lori (04:08.073)
Well, because.

Lori (04:12.295)
Right, but...

Lori (04:17.51)
No, but they when he did buy it for her Rachel had said to him now look you just don't go buying girls this you know don't just be buying any chick the bracelet. Yeah.

Wendy (04:20.728)
She said, yeah, she said that to him.

Kelli (04:25.075)
Got it.

Wendy (04:27.638)
A bracelet, right, right. She also said, because they asked, I think Kyle said, was it his allowance? And it was his Bar Mitzvah money, right? I think she said Bar Mitzvah, which I thought that was nice. And then he welcomed Amanda to her first reunion and wanted to know what she was going to be manifesting today. And she said, well, myself, to say the truth, maybe have some fun. to be myself, say the truth, and have some fun. OK.

Kelli (04:36.018)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (04:54.39)
Well, reunion ain't about fun, girlfriend, so there's your first clue.

Kelli (04:56.766)
Mmm.

Wendy (04:59.968)
Well, yeah, there you go. Then he welcomes for the first time Sutton Brown to her first reunion. I did too, I did too. I liked that he gave her that intro. And then he did ask Erica how she was doing and how the DJ was going. And she had just spent two weeks in Australia DJing, which I actually didn't know that. I knew she was DJing, but I didn't know she was in Australia the past two weeks.

Kelli (05:07.102)
Mmm.

Lori (05:08.413)
That was cute. I like that.

Wendy (05:30.217)
Um, then Bose comes in and he said, let's see the ring. And, know, we get a closeup of the ring. And she said, I have Bose right away. He I have one request for my Beverly Hills wedding. Erica, will you DJ it? And I was like, where did that come from? I was very shocked to see that she did that.

Lori (05:37.11)
very pretty.

Kelli (05:52.434)
Me too. I mean, I think that they are chummy.

Lori (05:52.811)
What?

Wendy (05:55.895)
Yeah.

Lori (05:55.958)
Well, it's a good call. I'm sure that of all the DJ people out there, I would imagine that Erica probably is a very good DJ.

Wendy (06:05.826)
Well, I mean, I don't know about that, but I mean...

Lori (06:11.396)
okay. Well, I just think she'd... Yes, but I do think there's just, for some reason, I just think that she would probably be a good DJ.

Kelli (06:11.982)
I just think it's like the new midlife crisis.

Kelli (06:21.598)
She would probably put the time and effort into actually learning how to do it. Whereas Meredith Marks is just a statue up there and somebody else is making a mix for her. That I agree with.

Lori (06:32.149)
Now to me, right to me, Meredith Marks is a horrible DJ. But no, but yeah.

Kelli (06:38.835)
I mean, she's not even doing it. She's just like a statue up there. But Erica probably has taken the time to actually learn how to do it. Yeah.

Lori (06:45.096)
Right. And has probably good energy and gets into it. That's what I'm saying. Like I could see her being a good DJ.

Kelli (06:49.327)
Yeah.

Wendy (06:51.118)
I definitely think she has the energy.

Kelli (06:52.786)
He's not going to be out there like this, like Meredith.

Lori (06:54.846)
No. No.

Wendy (06:57.238)
Well, according to Atchu's rants, none of them are real DJs. They don't even have the right equipment. They're up there faking it.

Lori (07:01.632)
Probably not. Right. They're faking it.

Kelli (07:03.57)
think he actually said something positive about Erica though. And Kyle, he has said positive things about Kyle Cook as a DJ, believe it or not, yes. But I gotta look back, I think he actually said something positive about Erica. But not Dorinda, not Meredith Martin, not the rest of them.

Wendy (07:07.83)
Really?

Lori (07:12.566)
Mm.

Wendy (07:13.346)
That's interesting.

Wendy (07:23.126)
I don't remember where, but he's DJing this Saturday night and somebody famous is DJing right next door to him and I cannot rem-

Lori (07:29.79)
I would really like to go see him DJ.

Kelli (07:32.806)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (07:32.87)
I would too. I cannot remember who the famous person was that was DJing right next door. No, I'm not going there this weekend either. Yeah. Then he says hi to Dorie, great to see you. That's all he does there. And then Kyle, he lets her know that she is officially Bravo's longest running consecutive housewife across all franchises. That is a very long ass title.

Lori (07:36.756)
It ain't gonna be this week and I'll tell you that.

Kelli (07:39.582)
Laurie is otherwise busy.

Lori (07:44.159)
Yes.

Wendy (08:02.99)
Very long title. No, really?

Kelli (08:03.038)
I'm gonna tell you, I have something to say about this. Because I think that that is a very, I think that's a very big accomplishment. However, had New Jersey not taken this two year pause, it would have been Teresa.

Wendy (08:10.734)
Lori (08:18.262)
my Lord, don't let me fall off the chair.

Kelli (08:19.644)
because New Jersey came out in 2009, Beverly Hills came out in 2010. So had Jersey aired last summer like it should have, it would have been Teresa.

Lori (08:33.778)
would be the right year.

Wendy (08:36.952)
There you go. And although Tamara has been a housewife for more years, she had two years off, so she was not a consecutive housewife, which is why it had to have such a long ass title.

Kelli (08:49.82)
Right, and credit to Kyle and Teresa were credits due. They are original to the franchises. Tamra didn't come on until season three.

Wendy (08:59.149)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (09:03.506)
So I don't care how many years Tamra's on, she gets no accolades from me. But yeah, when Andy said that about Kyle, I'm like, no, there's no way, it's gotta be Teresa. But then when I looked into it, it's because of that two year break or Teresa would have had it.

Lori (09:20.736)
There you go.

Wendy (09:21.816)
So, Bo said she deserves an applause and you they all applauded her. I don't know if you saw the look on Dorit's face because she wouldn't even crack a smile. She's...

Kelli (09:25.468)
Yeah, for sure.

Kelli (09:32.882)
She did clap, I did notice that. She did clap when they all started clapping.

Wendy (09:36.362)
It was, it was a little, yeah, it was big.

Kelli (09:39.145)
But I gotta be honest with you, I felt like every time Doree's name was mentioned, Doree walked in, Kyle had that stank look on her face. She had the bitchiest, maybe they were doing it to each other and I only noticed Kyle.

Wendy (09:53.218)
I felt like Doreed had it on hers.

Lori (09:55.454)
I feel like they both had it. They both had it. I noticed both of them. Both of them. They both had it. And I don't think that they're friends.

Wendy (09:59.542)
Yeah, I thought they both had it. I totally agree.

Wendy (10:08.74)
No, they're definitely not. They're definitely not. No.

Kelli (10:08.764)
No. No. And it does lead you to wonder, were they ever? Like, was it really just a Mo, PK friendship and then that's why they filmed together so much because Mo and PK got along so much so when they were filming the show they were like, well obviously we're gonna spend time with each other because our husbands are filming with us and they really like hanging out with each other.

Lori (10:15.786)
That's what I'm saying to you. That's what I'm saying to you.

Lori (10:35.422)
Yep, I think that's exactly it. And then I think...

Wendy (10:37.538)
I do too. I do too. don't think they...

Kelli (10:38.898)
But the illusion was that they were very close friends.

Lori (10:42.27)
No, I think that probably, I would imagine that Dorit probably thought they were closer friends than what they were. I think as soon as the divorce came out, Kyle was PK side and that was it. And it was all over. That's why it's so annoying the whole, I'm so concerned about you. I don't think so. I don't think so. And I'm not a housewifey person.

Kelli (10:56.667)
I agree.

Kelli (11:07.105)
No, because in one breath you're saying we weren't really friends and she's been saying that for quite some time now Kyle

Lori (11:11.122)
Right, and now a bit.

Right, and now all of you're so concerned.

Kelli (11:18.526)
What are you so concerned about if she's not really your friend?

Wendy (11:21.762)
Well, listen, I think that I don't I agree that I don't think that they were really that close of friends. But you can still be concerned about somebody that you're a co-worker with that you've been working with for the past how many years has she been on? Nine? How many years has Dorit been on? I mean.

Lori (11:22.24)
Exactly.

Kelli (11:40.974)
Yeah. But the thing is, is that I don't, I just don't buy it with Kyle because she's close with PK and so is Mo. So I don't.

Wendy (11:50.154)
I don't think that Kyle is close with PK though. I think that Mo is close with PK. I don't think Kyle is hanging out with PK.

Kelli (11:57.897)
I don't think she's hanging out with him, but she's at least telling Moe things and Moe's telling PK things. And that clearly came out in the reunion.

Wendy (12:09.112)
Well, yeah, I'm not saying that that didn't happen, Mo is, even though he's her estranged husband, he is her confidant. They are in a good place. They have an amicable relationship.

Kelli (12:18.918)
Right, so if you were so concerned about Dorit, why would you tell Moe things knowing he's gonna go tell PK and it could damage Dorit's custody, divorce?

Lori (12:31.456)
blah, blah. I mean, I could see if that was a situation and I could see that being true if Dorit was really doing something that if I myself was working with someone or pseudo friends with someone and they were doing something that was concerning, I don't find anything that Dorit's doing as being concerning. The reality of

especially when it comes to the financial situation, you and I, the three of us talking or thinking about like a foreclosure is a big thing. This is not that kind of money. This is the F you money. Even when you're broke, it's a totally different money than you and I. They will net. I can guarantee you PK is not going to get current on that mortgage. He's going to let it go into foreclosure.

He's gonna do bankruptcy and then I'll just start a new LLC, buy a new house for her and start all over. It's how they roll. It's not like her measly $4,000. She can spend whatever she wants because you're gonna go bankrupt and it's not a big deal. To us, it's a big deal. It's a totally different, I just think it's a totally different gig. That's my take on it.

Kelli (13:53.005)
I agree with you. And her saying, you know, when Kyle made the comment to her that, you know, we have very different financial situations, that was very, you might want to pick on someone with that, whose wallet matched comment. That was low. That was very, very low.

Lori (14:08.103)
Absolutely. Just said nicer. Just said nicer. Just said nicer. That's all. But like I said, if if Dorit was engaging in some kind of behavior, she's late. She's always been fucking late. She's spending money that she's always been spending money that she doesn't have. Other than that, other than that, what's she doing?

Kelli (14:29.262)
Obviously. Because the topic of, right, the topic of PK and Dorit's finances have always been apparent. mean, Camille Grammer's been saying it for years. Like, for sure she's been spending money that she might possibly not have. And she's always been late.

Lori (14:47.83)
So other than that, don't see what all the harp is about. And that's my point. It's not like I'm some big Dorit fan. I don't care about this show at all. I'm just saying what I see.

Kelli (14:58.578)
Right, or the people in it.

Wendy (15:00.096)
I actually think that, you know, the whole thing that Dorita's made such a big deal about it that it's consumed every conversation and every thing. think that she made it a bigger thing than it needed to be. Like, if she just let it go and didn't bring it up every single time, like, that's why it was talked about every single episode. Like, the more you talk about it, the bigger it is.

Kelli (15:26.098)
Well, I think because every time she and Kyle were together, the status of their friendship was questioned. So, Dorit felt the need to say, this is why our friendship is where it is, and then Kyle, you know, defends herself. So, I think it was...

Wendy (15:46.478)
I know, mean, they brought it up in every circumstance. They're sitting down at dinner, it gets brought up, like every time. Oh yes, Nuri!

Kelli (15:50.719)
Right, but I don't think Dorit brought it up. I don't even think Kyle brought it up every time. I think everybody else was like, so are you guys good? Or like Sutton at the Studio 54 party, like you owe Kyle an apology. Like if everybody would have just backed off of it, maybe we could have had a different storyline this season. But quite honestly, this was the only storyline this season.

Wendy (16:14.648)
Well, I think that that's the fact is this and Amanda and how annoying Amanda was. Right. Right.

Kelli (16:18.82)
Imagine if we didn't have this? Yeah, and Amanda.

Lori (16:23.362)
And you know, it's really a shame because I think there should have been a much bigger emphasis placed on Erica's situation. I think that that's a really important thing to discuss. I think there could have been more emphasis on Sutton's situation. That's a really big thing. Your ex-husband is marrying, you know, is now with some friend of yours that you, you know, your kids grew up together and...

your kids are leaving, now you're be all by yourself. Like, that's a big deal. Like, those are big deal things that could have been a focus.

Kelli (16:55.336)
For sure.

Wendy (16:56.344)
Definitely. They definitely are. Yep. I agree. And I don't think, I'll be honest with you, I don't think it was Sutton not opening up about it, or and I don't think it was Erica. I I think in this reunion, Erica really opened up. She was very vulnerable. You know, she was, in my opinion, like trying to give good advice, specifically to Amanda. And, you know, I just think that it's, I...

Kelli (17:19.154)
Yes. Yes.

Wendy (17:25.902)
personally think it's the way it was produced. think that they choose to produce what they want to show because even the fact that, you know, they all of a sudden show us the scene where Rachel and Kyle are in the Hamptons and Rachel says to Kyle that she was worried about Dorit, she was missing for 45 minutes at the club. You know, I would be worried about my friend too. And that was a point that Kyle was making. Like, I didn't go to her and say that, but...

Lori (17:28.862)
Yeah, it's got to be production. Yeah, it's got to be.

Wendy (17:54.37)
They don't choose to show us that when they know that this is the whole conversation that's going on the whole season. That was a calculated move by production. That was calculated. like, this is, and you know.

Kelli (18:06.364)
Yeah. I mean, even when Kyle was like, somebody please say something, nobody did. Crickets.

Lori (18:16.736)
I mean, even on the reunion when she asked that, no one was piping up.

Wendy (18:17.112)
Yeah.

Wendy (18:24.59)
So on the reunion when Dorit was asking each person individually, did you say something to Kyle? Did you say something to Kyle? Did they see that package? Because Andy never addressed, like it wasn't really addressed. Like that made no sense to me.

Lori (18:41.172)
Nope, wasn't dressed.

Kelli (18:42.952)
She only got to, she asked Amanda and she got to Sutton. Amanda responded, Sutton I don't even think had a chance to respond before they were onto something else.

Lori (18:49.226)
was like,

Lori (18:54.816)
Nope. Yep.

Wendy (18:56.62)
Right, which is also what kept on happening. Like you'd ask Dorita question and then she'd start to answer, but she never really answered any questions. It was just like...

Kelli (19:05.576)
Well, think I honestly thought she kept getting cut off. honestly, listen, I know people are going to say that I'm Kyle bashing. I'm trying not to. I really am. I felt like every time, and I know Dorit can be long winded, but I felt like every time Dorit went to talk, Kyle would cut her off. Like I felt like Kyle was extremely defensive. And to me,

When someone is extremely defensive, I feel that it screams guilt in some way, shape or form. I felt like every time Dorie tried to say something, Kyle cut her off and got that, like that face. I've never seen Kyle with that face so much than this season. She's just so angry. And again, I don't think it's about Dorie.

Wendy (19:40.78)
And I felt like Dorit was defensive.

Kelli (20:03.084)
I don't know.

Wendy (20:03.084)
And I feel totally opposite of you. I feel like Dorit is the angry one. I feel like Dorit is always on the defensive. Because even when they were talking about what happened with Erica, where she questioned what Erica was, you you're going through stuff? I mean, are you kidding me?

Lori (20:24.298)
that was, that was rude. was like, what are you? That was crazy.

Kelli (20:26.642)
I thought Erica handled that very eloquently. I really did. She did not. You're right, she did not. But I thought Erica handled that very well. She was like, listen, we had definitely had conversations about it. You knew about it. But I don't expect you to know what's going on every single day. I really thought that she kind of let, she pretty much let Dorit off the hook for that. Because it was a ridiculous thing for Dorit to say.

Wendy (20:27.584)
And she still didn't... Yeah, but Dorit still didn't own it. She still didn't... That's what I'm saying. I think Erica...

Lori (20:30.592)
Yes.

Lori (20:35.818)
Yeah, absolutely.

Lori (20:51.306)
Yes, she did. Yeah.

was ridiculous. Yeah, absolutely ridiculous.

Kelli (20:56.915)
you're going through shit?

Wendy (20:57.206)
It absolutely, it absolutely was. It absolutely was.

Kelli (21:00.35)
I mean, listen, nobody's going to deny Doree is an extremely self-centered person. But I think the, when she gets angry, it's because of what Kyle said on national television that can directly hurt her custody and divorce. It can, it 100 % can.

Lori (21:07.144)
Absolutely.

Lori (21:26.9)
And that's what I'm saying, if there was some kind of behavior that she was doing.

that warranted somebody saying something like that. Well, okay, it's still not a good idea to say it on TV, but.

Kelli (21:44.371)
Yeah.

Lori (21:46.134)
don't know. That's just how I see it.

Wendy (21:49.122)
Let's jump over to Rachel, that, yeah, I know. Andy asks Rachel, know, we meet her when she's undergoing a lot in her life on The Housewives, know, a home, undergoing a lot in her, you know, going through the divorce and, you know, her living situation and the situation with Roger.

Kelli (21:49.33)
Yeah, let's move on though. We're beating this one.

Wendy (22:10.69)
And Andy said, is there any part of you that wanted to get back at Roger? Is that why you came on the show? And she's like, no, like not even a little. Like she never thought of that. And I thought to myself, that's a very strange question. Like.

Kelli (22:21.598)
I totally agree, I thought that was a very odd question. Get back at him for what? I mean, I guess at this point, do we just assume he was cheating on her or whatever it is it is.

Lori (22:25.587)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (22:25.954)
Yeah.

Wendy (22:33.846)
Apparently. Yeah, they, I mean, she even said like, although they're getting the divorce now, the relationship had been over for quite some time that they weren't really connecting, right?

Kelli (22:46.918)
Yeah, so like get Adam how? you know, I mean, I guess saying certain things that were going on, but she's on a reality TV show and like we've already pointed out, he had to agree for those kids to be on, so.

Lori (22:52.244)
Yeah, I don't get that.

Wendy (23:02.87)
Absolutely, he sure did. He sure did. And then Andy said, you know, what does he had to say? Like, he watched it? And she's like, well, no, he's heard things and...

Wendy (23:16.532)
She also, which I thought, she said, know, there was actually some very bad things that went on that summer we were filming that I could have said a lot more and I didn't say. And I'm like, okay, well, why are you doing that then? Because, all right, you're gonna go that way? Erica asks her if she regrets, like, do you regret being open? Because Andy said, I'm surprised how open you were. And she's like, I don't regret it because, you know,

Lori (23:27.126)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (23:27.87)
did say that.

Wendy (23:44.81)
She means it, you the truth is painful sometimes and Bose chimed in. She's like, I think it was great. think that, you you talking about it will help other people, which again, I agree with that. You know, she's not the only one to have a difficult, right. And herself, yeah. And we find out the divorce is not resolved, but soon. Then Andy says, any chance of you having a relationship with the girlfriend?

Lori (23:57.598)
And herself. And herself. Right. Yeah.

Lori (24:12.586)
Another weird thing to ask, like, no.

Wendy (24:14.601)
I was like.

Kelli (24:15.922)
when all of them, like almost in unison were like, are you okay? I thought that was so funny.

Lori (24:21.239)
huh, huh. Yeah, it was funny.

Wendy (24:21.665)
Right.

Wendy (24:25.378)
I was like, what is wrong with him?

Kelli (24:26.846)
my god.

Lori (24:27.316)
Yeah, that was kind of quirky.

Wendy (24:29.366)
And then he asked about her parents. Her father, she said, still can't talk. You know, it's hard for him. But her mother, you know, still sees him as the father of her grandchildren and that they actually were down in Miami. And she said, invite him over for dessert. And he came over, spent time with her and her family and her kids. And it went well. He was there with another friend, not the girlfriend, a male.

Lori (24:53.312)
front. Yeah.

Kelli (24:54.462)
You know, I have to say, so I have two sisters who got divorced and Eric has two sisters who got divorced. Actually three. Eric has four sisters. And shout out to his oldest sister Laura because she's married 50 years. God bless them. Yeah. Shout out to Laura and Yuge. Yep. 50 years.

Wendy (25:17.902)
Shout out to Laura. Happy anniversary. 50 years. Woohoo!

Lori (25:23.444)
Yeah, my parents are married 50 years. Yeah.

Kelli (25:24.2)
But, nice. Eric and I never chose sides with any of our sister's ex-husbands. We never cut ties with any of them. And, you know, that didn't go over well with some of the people in the family. However, it has been so long now, so many years have passed. I am so happy that we did that because

Wendy (25:28.672)
My parents were married 60 years.

Lori (25:30.742)
Wow.

Kelli (25:53.875)
They, the exes are all on good terms now, thank God, because they all have children. And had we picked sides, it just would have caused issues that Eric and I don't need to deal with. You know what I mean? Like, cause.

Lori (26:08.374)
Well, it all depends on the situation too. It all depends on the situation.

Wendy (26:08.876)
No. Right.

Kelli (26:13.521)
100%, but like, know, now you go to holidays and the exes are there and, you know, we can just walk in and act as if how we've always acted. you know, so it, I'm sure it's very difficult for her father because that man hurt his daughter, but yeah.

Wendy (26:27.149)
Right.

Lori (26:35.958)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (26:36.192)
and was like a son to him. mean, he was in Rachel's life for a long time. He was like, and I don't think Rachel only has a sister, she doesn't have a brother. So he literally was a son to him. So.

Kelli (26:44.839)
Yeah.

But if you can move forward and not have that animosity, it's only gonna benefit you in the long run because eventually, they have young kids, eventually they are gonna be okay. And then you're gonna feel okay because you never made beef with this person.

Wendy (27:14.05)
Yeah, then it comes out about Rachel and this guy that she's dating that she's been photographed with on the red carpet. Find out his name is Sasha. Yeah. We're just friends, we're just friends. He's tall and handsome, but we're just friends. And then it came out that what he does for a living, he's, what did she say? He's more like a mind.

Lori (27:22.634)
She was funny with her

Kelli (27:40.732)
He does what Amanda does?

Wendy (27:42.786)
He said, she said, it's more like a mind-body alignment, basically getting people back into a place of center, forgiveness, things like that. I'm not a client. Like, she doesn't know what he does, basically, is what she said. He's a friend.

Lori (27:55.124)
Right, right. Yeah.

Kelli (27:56.287)
But it does sound like he does something very similar to Amanda.

Lori (27:58.486)
I think though, I think I remember reading though that he's more like, I think he's like a relationship counselor kind of thing.

Wendy (28:07.976)
It's probably an in-person thing. don't think he's selling, you know. Right, I don't think he's selling courses. Right.

Lori (28:11.024)
No, he's not selling courses. No, I think he's some kind of counselor. No, he's some kind of counselor. Yeah.

Wendy (28:18.444)
And then the next thing Andy winds up, and this one got them all laughing, with a husband in prison and a $25 million lawsuit on the horizon. Like, what kind of windup is that?

Lori (28:30.87)
Poor Erica.

Kelli (28:32.094)
That was some introduction. I mean, you didn't have to really think too hard about who he was talking about.

Wendy (28:34.102)
my gosh.

Lori (28:37.435)
No, no, you knew right away.

Wendy (28:38.406)
No, no. I mean, he really, you know, after decades of walking on thin ice with Tom, a new gentleman in her life melted the Ice Queen's heart. Okay. Come on.

Lori (28:50.932)
Yes, a little much. And how about Rachel's pre-engagement cheat was only a kiss?

Kelli (28:53.17)
Yeah, that's a little dramatic.

Wendy (28:55.15)
Yeah.

Kelli (29:00.714)
we knew that though. I don't know what, so on, there were a couple of things on Peacock that weren't on.

Wendy (29:01.154)
What? What did you say?

Lori (29:05.098)
her pre-engagement cheat, remember?

Wendy (29:11.553)
I didn't watch it on Peacock. Okay. So what was on Peacock?

Kelli (29:11.602)
the, just a couple of things. But this might have been on the DVR where Kyle brought up, maybe not, maybe this was just on Peacock now that think about it. Kyle brought up how, you know, she cheated and then they, and then she got a diamond. And.

Lori (29:28.554)
Right. They went back to Kyle's confessional where Kyle, remember Kyle said, well, you know, I don't think that's a great way to start out a marriage. You know, I cheated on you and the next day you give me a diamond and we get engaged. Cause Rachel said that she said, Rachel said that she fooled around with somebody right before they got married. And, she clarified that that fooling around was just a kiss.

Wendy (29:43.298)
And who?

Wendy (29:48.758)
Right, right, right. Okay, yes, yes.

Wendy (29:55.36)
Okay.

Kelli (29:55.497)
But I swear I thought she was very clear about that during the season. I don't know why Kyle and Erica were under the impression that she had sex with this person.

Lori (29:59.252)
No, I don't think so. No.

Lori (30:03.922)
she could because she didn't she was not clear she said fooled around she said fooled around

Kelli (30:06.6)
She didn't clarify.

Wendy (30:07.49)
She definitely wasn't clear, because I remember you and I, the three of us had this whole conversation and I kept saying, well, what is fooling around? And I said, what if it was just a kiss? Because we had this whole thing, like it wasn't clear. Right, right, it wasn't clear. It wasn't clear.

Kelli (30:10.418)
Okay.

Kelli (30:18.022)
Right. Yeah, like, I mean, it definitely depended on the level of intimacy.

Lori (30:18.358)
Yeah.

Lori (30:23.986)
Right. Yeah. Well, so now it is. It's just a kiss. Yeah.

Kelli (30:26.162)
Right. It was just a guess.

Wendy (30:28.65)
Okay. All right. I'm glad to hear that. And, you know, Andy also brings up about, you know, Erica opening up about her DV. And he starts out by apologizing to her for having to go through that. And, you know, he said, why did you want to share that? And she's like, well, I held it for a long time. And

You know, I don't know that if Denise wasn't talking, like if Denise wasn't there talking about it, I don't know that I would have shared it. The fact that, you know, and the interesting thing is she's the one who brought it up to Denise because of the black eye. Like she said to Denise, you know, I saw the, I saw the black eye. listen, I'm glad that she brought it up. It is a good topic. People should, should not be afraid to call 9-1-1 to get the help that they need. It is, you know.

Kelli (31:09.448)
Yeah.

Wendy (31:26.486)
And you would think someone like Erica, of all people, because she comes off as this tough woman, wouldn't have to go through this, but it just shows you it can happen to anybody.

Kelli (31:36.04)
happen to anybody.

Wendy (31:38.103)
Yeah.

Lori (31:38.87)
So now, so was Tom emotionally abusive? Okay, I didn't watch it, so I don't know. Okay.

Wendy (31:43.735)
Yes!

Kelli (31:44.599)
I think Tom was very emotionally abusive. So there's one scene in her first season where she hosts a dinner party and Lisa Rinna's there and that woman Catherine's there and I think her husband and Lisa Vanderpump and LVP was there. Yeah, they were all there. And they're in the middle of a conversation and Erica goes to say something and he very sternly, almost like a father was like, Erica,

Wendy (31:47.468)
Yo, yeah!

Wendy (32:00.94)
I thought it was LVP. Yeah. Cause it was LVP. Yeah.

Kelli (32:14.37)
I'm in the middle of speaking. Something to that effect. And that was the first time you got a glimpse. It didn't happen often on the show at all. However, you saw it then, and when they talked about it on the reunion, you could see Kyle and Dorit, because they must have seen a lot more. Were both shaking their heads like, yeah.

Lori (32:36.757)
Right.

Lori (32:40.251)
Now I have another question. She said he was financially abusive to her. What does that mean?

Wendy (32:47.01)
He would hold money over her head.

Kelli (32:47.314)
I'm sure, right. I'm sure, you know, if she wanted something or, you know, it was, but yeah, yeah, he held it over her head.

Wendy (32:51.374)
She did? Yeah.

Lori (32:55.016)
Okay.

Wendy (32:59.256)
I mean, she said one time for six weeks he didn't talk to her living in the same house. I mean, that's crazy. No, she didn't say why. She didn't say why. She said, sweet as Tom can be is as vicious as Tom can be. And I could see that with him. I could see that he would, you know, and then she's now looking back, she's like, I don't even know. Like, was that just an act when he was being nice and he was.

Lori (32:59.458)
Okay

Kelli (33:05.17)
She didn't say why though, right? Or we didn't know why, right?

Lori (33:09.206)
Yeah, she didn't say why, yeah.

Lori (33:17.834)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (33:27.53)
acting like the doting husband. And I think she's realizing it probably was because he didn't go see her on Broadway. He didn't read her book. You know?

Kelli (33:35.871)
Yeah. When Andy said if there was one question you could ask, what would it be? And she says, why? And then she pauses and she says, why did you throw me out like that? I don't think that's what she was gonna say. I think she caught herself. I think there's another why question she would have asked. Like why the fuck did you lie about the money you had? Why would you act as if we had it like that?

Wendy (33:44.802)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (34:03.068)
and we didn't and you, did you steal money from those victims to carry on a lifestyle that was unnecessary and we didn't need to be living? I mean, I don't know if that's what she was gonna say, but I don't think why did you throw me out like that? Yeah, I don't think that was really the question. I think she caught herself. Because by saying all of that, you're implicating not guilt on her part, but you're implicating guilt on his part.

Lori (34:13.674)
Right, but she can't say that. Right, I kind of felt like she was gonna say something like that too. Yeah.

Lori (34:24.532)
Yeah, because she really can't say anything like that, right?

Wendy (34:25.422)
actually.

Lori (34:30.92)
his part right yeah

Wendy (34:33.098)
I she really did feel like she was discarded. Because, I mean, she's said many times, you know, I think she really did love Tom. I think she really did love Tom.

Kelli (34:42.098)
Yeah, but Wendy, he didn't kick her out of that house. Remember? Right. Why did you throw me out like that? Throw you out when? He didn't throw you out.

Wendy (34:45.966)
I know we didn't kick her out of the house, but the situation is what made her leave.

Kelli (34:57.19)
It doesn't make the question doesn't make sense. He did not throw her out of the house. He left to go to court and she packed her shit up and left.

Wendy (35:01.357)
No, she left.

Yes, she did pack her stuff up and leave, yeah.

Lori (35:07.786)
Yeah, I felt like she was gonna say something else too.

Kelli (35:08.22)
Yeah, for sure.

Wendy (35:11.596)
She should have just left it at why. And then we could have all been guessing, right? Yeah, I think so too. I mean, then Andy asked like, what happens if, know, worst case scenario, like you lose the lawsuit and you have to pay the 20. She's like, well, I guess I could fight it in court or.

Kelli (35:13.95)
Right. It would have been more dramatic, quite honestly.

Lori (35:14.814)
Right.

Kelli (35:24.669)
Mmm.

Wendy (35:40.834)
and they're all like file bankruptcy. mean, whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen.

Kelli (35:43.977)
So I don't know if this was fake news or not because you know with AI it could be anything. I saw a pleading today that a motion was granted and it's for her to have to sell assets to satisfy the $25 million, which a trustee can do. A trustee can file a motion that in a chapter seven where you don't pay your debt back,

Wendy (35:50.904)
Yeah.

Kelli (36:14.064)
A trustee can file a motion in the state of New Jersey for you to sell your house. If there's equity in your house. A trustee can file those motions. So I did see a motion filed and granted today that she has to sell assets to satisfy this 25 million. But again, it could have been AI. I don't know if it's true or not. It's just, it's weird timing that it would just come out today, the day after the reunion. So who knows if it's true? And anybody can...

Lori (36:20.214)
to settle.

Wendy (36:20.526)
Well, they already did that. I mean, they already did that.

Lori (36:34.56)
Mm.

Lori (36:39.144)
Right, Could have been click bait. Yeah.

Kelli (36:43.678)
put up a fake pleading.

Wendy (36:46.444)
Yeah, you know, the interesting thing is I was listening to Sarah Frazier, and she has David Yantiv on sometimes, and he was on. you know, he's a lawyer, but he's not practicing. He hasn't practiced in a long time, but he's also friends with Ronald Rogers. I don't know if you remember that attorney's name. He was the one who bought Erica's diamond earrings and was all involved in the case and was all involved in this whole, I mean, very involved in it. And what

Kelli (36:58.152)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (37:02.963)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (37:07.71)
Mmm.

Wendy (37:15.698)
they were saying, and actually David didn't even understand it. He said, I'm going to have to talk to my attorney about it because I've never heard of this. what he was saying is that the $25 million judgment that the trustees sold it for $2 million. So they're going to get $2 million and then that's going to get divided. And then that person that bought it for the $2 million can then

try and go after it and get more. And if they get more, they get more. And I was like, that doesn't make sense.

Kelli (37:51.344)
No, doesn't. A trustee can't sell a settlement.

Lori (37:51.434)
Hmm.

Wendy (37:57.302)
Well, I think I don't. I that's what I thought. I don't know. It's something I think maybe we can look into.

Kelli (37:57.65)
That makes zero sense.

Kelli (38:03.664)
Other attorneys, I believe, yes. But a US trustee, I don't know if that's true. I'll ask my boss.

Lori (38:13.718)
Yeah, there you go.

Wendy (38:14.316)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (38:18.29)
But what the trustees are trying to recover is for the victims. It's not like the, I mean, the trustees will get paid a fee because they always pay themselves first, trust me. But they will, they are trying to recover for the victims.

Wendy (38:18.668)
Yeah, I don't know.

Wendy (38:23.565)
Yeah.

Lori (38:27.968)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (38:28.397)
Of

Kelli (38:35.324)
So for them to negotiate a lower, that doesn't make any sense. But who knows?

Wendy (38:46.316)
I mean, then it goes into after Andy brings up all this about the court, that's when he says to Dorit, you know, how could you say to Erica, you didn't know what she was going through? And then, you know, we just said Erica really did give her grace and didn't go after her. But I also thought she was very vulnerable at that point. She said, you know, the reason this hurts me, Erica said this, is because I love you. Like it hurts me that you.

And I do think that Erica and Dorit had a true friendship. I do. More so than Kyle and Dorit. I don't. I don't.

Kelli (39:20.67)
I honestly think those two are going to be okay. Yeah. I think that Erica and Dorit are going to be okay.

Wendy (39:29.1)
You do. Okay, I...

Kelli (39:30.844)
Yeah, because I hope that Erica sees all everybody online. Like, we've watched this show for a long time. We saw you act horribly when you were going through what you were going through. And I think that Erica needs to be reminded of that. And I, you know, I don't, I'm not, I'm not trying to be negative towards Erica. I, you know, I think she's had a great redemption and, you know, I wish nothing but the best for her, but.

I think personally Dorit Erica are going to mend their friendship. think Kyle needs to be out of the picture though for that to happen. So hopefully it happens in the off season.

Wendy (40:07.992)
Well, I did hear an interview where Erica said that her issues, maybe it was on Watch What Happens Live, with Dorit are separate from Kyle's issues with Dorit and that they should be handled separately, which I totally agree. I totally agree with that, you know?

Lori (40:19.392)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (40:21.17)
Yeah, mean, Dorit saying, have you been going through something? That's enough for somebody to be pissed off at a friend. Like, are you kidding me? You think this has been a cakewalk, what I've been going through?

Lori (40:29.214)
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Wendy (40:29.664)
Right, right.

Right.

Eric has been in her relationship for nine months with the GI, they were calling him GI Joe, but his name is John. So yeah, GI John. And her son has met him and she said that he's probably more in love with him than I could ever be, which I thought was so funny. Yeah, I thought so.

Kelli (40:55.272)
That's nice. That's nice.

Wendy (41:02.126)
And then he goes into the Dorit. Dorit last year ironically dragged a cigarette, but this season her friends warned her against dragging PK too hard in the public. As Dorit sought to be unburdened financially via exciting new book deal, she couldn't help but feel like Kyle was reading right from PK's playbook. I'm like, okay. And then they show all the scenes, you know, between those guys and...

Kelli (41:33.096)
So Wendy, something else you probably didn't see because I think it was only on Peacock was earlier when they were talking about when they first brought up Kyle and Dorit and Mo and PK. They brought up the fact that Mo defended PK for drinking again. Did you see that? Any of that? I think this was only on Peacock.

Wendy (41:33.218)
Doreen.

Wendy (41:42.904)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (41:50.958)
he did. No, no, I didn't.

Lori (41:52.79)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (41:57.725)
Kyle and Erica were kind of like, well, that's what guys do, right, Lor? Like they were kind of defending the behavior, but Dorit was like, he didn't just stop drinking for a year for the hell of it. Like he, yeah. And Maurizio, and they flash back to him saying like, yeah, we drink together when we go out, you know?

Lori (42:04.211)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (42:13.864)
Right. He stopped because he had an issue. Right. Yeah.

Kelli (42:25.158)
Not that it's Maurizio's responsibility to police PK on his drinking, but he was defending him. And then Kyle and Erica were kind of playing it off like, that's just what guys do, which that's fine. There's nothing wrong with them saying that either, but that was on Peacock. Yeah.

Lori (42:41.493)
Right.

Wendy (42:42.658)
Yeah, no, that wasn't on it. Yeah, no, that's...

Lori (42:48.656)
Did anybody notice during the reunion, then they're flashing back to like the picture of all of them holding their diamonds. Amanda looks like she's going to topple over. It's the oddest thing. You got to look at it. You got to look at it. She's out of...

Wendy (43:01.39)
No, I didn't notice that.

Kelli (43:03.878)
I didn't notice it either. She must've been holding the biggest diamond of all of them.

Lori (43:08.918)
She was at, she's at the end and she's like holding it like, I'm like, what are you doing? You have to look at it and let me know what you think. I was just like, what is going on? Yeah, they would show you like the thing, you know, with them all standing there and I'm like, what's wrong with her? I don't know what she's doing. I don't know what was going on.

Kelli (43:15.902)
Ha

Yeah, we gotta look

Wendy (43:19.252)
And they kept flashing to it? They kept flashing to it?

Kelli (43:28.254)
She had the biggest diamond.

Lori (43:31.914)
Yeah, something.

Wendy (43:32.814)
Yeah, and that's it.

Kelli (43:40.222)
So this is when Dorit says that PK was sending her text messages, basically telling her what she was doing on the season.

Lori (43:48.148)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (43:48.396)
while it was going on. And that he was getting the information right from Mo. Yeah, we didn't see that. I didn't see that. And then they show the footage where Rachel told Kyle in the Hamptons.

Kelli (43:50.13)
Yeah, that's not a good look for Kyle because there's no way in hell anybody else was doing it.

Lori (43:55.616)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (44:12.27)
then she asked each and every one of them, did you say this? And Kyle at this point said, I already said, I already told you, I misspoke with that word. She apologized for using the word erratic. I related it to my experience when I was going through and how.

I felt after my separation and my OCD and my ADHD and I was all over the place and I was working out a lot and I was scattered, that's what I was relating it to. wasn't, you know, and I didn't mean to say that word like she said it again. And then Dorit said, well, it became a big, huge thing, Kyle.

Again, Kyle was apologizing for it and then she went on to say, Doritos, and she like sticks her finger in her face, let's stick to one thing. And I was like, okay, we're gonna get to something good. And that's when she said, you know, I spent $4,000 in one of Rachel's friend's store. Again, like they never even finished that. Like nothing she said ever got finished. No, no.

She went on to give her side of it. know, it was Rachel's friend's store. They closed the store. Nobody else bought anything. It was only $4,000. I'm being judged. And that's when Kyle made the comment, well, my financial situation is different than yours, which was not a nice comment.

Kelli (45:49.374)
And you know what? yeah.

Lori (45:49.91)
It's true, I mean it is true, but it's still not nice.

Wendy (45:52.448)
It is true. It is true, but it's still not nice. And then that's when she's like, well, how would you know what my financial situation is? And then Erica said, well, the house is being foreclosed on. I mean, everyone knows what your financial situation is.

Lori (46:03.882)
Right.

Kelli (46:04.104)
Listen, that just means you're not paying the mortgage.

Wendy (46:09.622)
Yes, but this was.

Kelli (46:09.872)
If I weren't paying my mortgage, I could go drop four grand somewhere in a store too.

Lori (46:15.942)
That's what I was saying to you guys earlier. The way that we look at financial things is not how big money people look at financial things. just don't. Everything's in trust. Everything's in LLCs. Bankruptcy is not a big deal. mean, there's all these different things that you, ways that you set yourself up so that stuff like that doesn't really touch you. To us, it seems like a big thing, but it's not to them.

Wendy (46:16.14)
Yep.

Kelli (46:41.97)
Right. And you know, listen, what Dorit said to Kyle is so true. I hope you never have to worry about this because right now Kyle is in a very cushy position. Yes, the money is flowing. She and Mo are on great terms, but that's a temporary situation.

Lori (47:04.086)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (47:09.736)
You're either gonna stay married or you're gonna get divorced. Anything could happen to this business. Real estate's a very objective, it's ebbs and flows. I mean, I think he's got enough of the world covered with offices where he should probably be okay, but.

Lori (47:22.282)
And they have production.

Lori (47:29.184)
but they have production companies also, correct? And he, and I've read some things that he overextended a lot to have all those, you know, all those offices all over the world. So.

Kelli (47:42.59)
Well, there were also lawsuits during COVID when he took PPE loans.

Lori (47:49.384)
right. I'm just saying when that when that stuff starts to slice and dice that could get ugly.

Kelli (47:50.144)
and was questioned. Yeah.

Kelli (47:57.043)
That's what I'm saying. So what Dorit said is true. Like I hope you're never in this position where you could possibly have your soon to be ex scrutinizing you telling and listen, I mean, I think we can all agree. I'm sure PK is telling Mo something very different than what's really going on. He's a loser. He's always been a loser. He's a sheisty McSheister. He's not paying the mortgage.

But I'm sure he's telling Maurizio that he is paying the mortgage, you know?

Lori (48:29.684)
Right. All kinds of stuff.

Kelli (48:31.398)
And that's okay, that's your friend, but...

He just doesn't seem like a very nice guy and he certainly doesn't seem like the type of guy that you want to go to divorce court with.

Lori (48:42.708)
new.

Wendy (48:44.536)
Well, the Bravo docket broke down a bunch of the PK lawsuits. PK's been involved in so many lawsuits, it's not even funny. And a lot of his debt.

Kelli (48:52.232)
This is probably the fifth time they've done it, right?

Wendy (48:55.776)
I mean, there's been several episodes. Yep. Most of his debt was from gambling. He's got gambling debt. He's got gambling debt. He's got gambling debt. That's right. Yes. And you know, the thing with Dorit was just last reunion, it came up about the house in pre-foreclosure. And she said, okay, PK's taking care of it.

Kelli (48:56.904)
They've had multiple episodes about him.

Lori (49:02.944)
Mm-hmm. It's big. You got big gambling issues. Yes. Yes. Big gambling. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (49:05.138)
I forgot about that. He owed Vegas Casino tons of money.

I forgot about that.

Wendy (49:23.062)
Okay, so then you let the same thing happen a year later? Come on. You had the conversation with Amanda where you said you don't know, but then you got insulted when she said you should know what's going on and you said you had all these businesses and you helped them build it up. Well, which is it, Dorit? Do you know what's going on with your finances or do you not know what's going on in your finances? Did you build a business? Did you help him build the business? How can you claim both sides? You can't. You can't.

Kelli (49:47.23)
Right, yeah. And you live in the house where the foreclosure notices, pre-foreclosure notices are gonna be mailed to. You know what they look like, you know, when you get.

Lori (49:53.792)
They're coming your way. Yeah, absolutely.

Wendy (49:58.766)
She's just as shysty McShysty as he is, is what I'm saying. You can't say you don't know. You can't say you don't know when it just happened last year. And then when someone calls you out on it, well, I helped him this business. He was bankrupt when I met him. I did this. I did that. Everything was in my name. I know. okay. And then you know nothing? When everything's good, you know, but when things are bad, you choose not to know? Come on. Give me a break.

Kelli (50:03.674)
I'm sure you're right. Yep.

Wendy (50:29.816)
Like Dorit is, no, Dorit, no, sorry Dorit. I don't believe it.

And Erica, again, was trying to give her good advice. And she wasn't listening to it. She's like, PK's.

Kelli (50:46.238)
She's not gonna listen to anything Kyle or Erica have to say right now. She's just not.

Wendy (50:50.242)
It wasn't, it was Erica. Yeah. You know, Erica's like, well, maybe you could downsize. She's like, it's not about staying in the house. Like, believe, I believed he was paying the mortgage, which is wrong. So now I'm blindsided. Come on. And then she, and then she's like, but Erica's like, what if he doesn't get you up to date? Like you need to have another plan trying to get her to think ahead. She wasn't having it. She wasn't having it.

Kelli (51:18.184)
She said something, she was like, I know what I have to do, or something like that.

Wendy (51:21.494)
Yeah. Her exact words said, I know exactly what I have to do, is what she said.

Kelli (51:27.25)
Yeah, it was snarky. was definitely snarky.

Wendy (51:32.75)
So then Andy said, even before this news, people were shocked and concerned about your lack of knowledge on your finances. And Dorit said, I want to clear this up. And then she brings up the statement that Amanda made about the financial wellbeing outsourced to a man that didn't go well. She never cleared it up. She just brought up something else. She didn't clear it up. And Amanda apologized, which...

Lori (51:50.912)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (51:56.573)
No, she didn't. Well, wait, Doreen, well, she said when I met him, he had just gotten out of a bankruptcy.

Lori (52:05.514)
Right. And that's what Wendy's saying that then Dorie goes and says, you know, I helped him build the businesses up and blah, blah, blah. And that's why Wendy's saying you can't.

Wendy (52:05.933)
right?

Kelli (52:12.53)
Right, right, right, right. And then she turns around and says, I don't know what's going on.

Wendy (52:16.277)
didn't know. Right. Right. Which is it? Which is it?

Lori (52:16.438)
Right, talk out both side of your ass.

Kelli (52:19.356)
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Right. Well, she clearly likes to play the victim. Yeah. Which is probably what Kyle's biggest issue is with her. Like, I can't-

Lori (52:25.342)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Lori (52:31.574)
Now, wasn't there something on a past issue? I saw a social media post about this. That one time they were asking like who could be your past and Maurizio said, Maurizio said, Dorit.

Wendy (52:47.67)
A hall pass? No. It was, I think it was, it was which housewife besides yours? And he said, he said Dorie. Yeah, it wasn't a, it wasn't like a hall pass. It was like specifically a housewife.

Kelli (52:51.41)
Somebody asked him.

Kelli (52:56.38)
Yeah. Yeah, that's what she's saying. Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (53:01.767)
okay. Specifically, Housewife.

Kelli (53:02.864)
If you could, basically if you could sleep with any of the other wives, which one would it be? And he did say Dorit.

Lori (53:06.856)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. I'm just going to say that couldn't have sat well.

Wendy (53:13.902)
No.

Kelli (53:14.462)
I I don't know, but here's the thing. If my husband said that about somebody, I wouldn't think twice about it. But if your husband has a history of cheating on you, which I think we can all admit now that Mauricio did, it's not gonna sit well with you.

Lori (53:29.238)
then you think a lot more about it, right? Right.

Right, right.

Kelli (53:38.022)
Yeah, but somebody who doesn't have a history of cheating, you know, you'd be like, okay. Yeah, I mean, I joke around with our friend Frank all the time that we're each other's backup if anything happens to our spouses.

Lori (53:43.166)
Right. It hits different. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (53:45.484)
It's a throwaway. Yeah, it's just a throwaway comment.

Lori (53:54.963)
Right, there you go.

Kelli (53:56.818)
We probably shouldn't do that.

Lori (53:58.646)
It's funny though. Yeah.

Wendy (53:59.214)
hahahaha

Kelli (54:02.472)
They don't keep to mine though!

Wendy (54:04.974)
So then she says, you know, right now it's going good with PK since the kids birthday parties in this present moment, it's going good. Okay, good. So then we move on to Amanda. And then we don't have much time because it's almost an hour, but the whole Amanda conversation about the emasculating, she could not own one single part of it.

Lori (54:08.778)
Hmm.

Kelli (54:09.448)
and

Kelli (54:22.141)
I know.

Wendy (54:30.176)
She could not own anything of it. Everything she does is perfect and her husband is fine without any balls. He doesn't need them. He tells me every night in bed. What?

Kelli (54:37.114)
And again, I felt like Erica was so, I don't know what the word I'm looking for, like eloquent for sure, but like what she was saying was very meaningful. Like you don't think it now, but what you're saying, like where Rachel was saying, like you're emasculating him, like that's not gonna land with Amanda.

Wendy (54:50.926)
She was kind, she was speaking from her heart.

Lori (54:54.934)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (54:55.372)
Years of wisdom. Right, right.

Lori (54:58.196)
Right.

Kelli (55:06.184)
But what Erica was saying was like, these little things you don't realize can fester. So everything's great now. One day everything's not gonna be great. And these little things are gonna grow and grow and She's so right. She's so fucking right, Erica. yes. I mean, think about your marriage.

Lori (55:11.488)
right, faster and grow into something later.

not going to be great because that's how life is.

Wendy (55:26.824)
She called them seeds and then they're going to flower and then everything you planted. Yeah.

Lori (55:28.35)
Yeah.

Kelli (55:33.138)
Like, of course everything's beautiful and rainbow and lollipops in the beginning. It's not now! And every little thing annoys the shit out of you.

Lori (55:33.642)
and you know a lot of-

Lori (55:41.938)
Right. Wait till you wait till you're 30, 40 years down the line and then we'll see how your fucking rainbows and unicorns doing. You know what mean? It's a lot of work and it's not just this happy go lucky thing. And I think that a lot of times, especially women of Amanda's age tend to think that women of our age are steeped in the waves of the patriarchy.

Kelli (55:49.724)
Right.

Lori (56:11.566)
And you know, the whole, the whole thing. Meanwhile, no, we're Gen X. No. You know I mean? We just, we just know when, we just know when to let shit fly and when to bust your balls. We know how to, we've been at this game for a long time. We know what we're doing. That's why she should really take a little more advice.

Kelli (56:11.741)
Yes.

Wendy (56:11.918)
That's so true. It's so true.

Wendy (56:21.432)
No.

You don't F with us. Right.

Lori (56:41.386)
from these older women who have been through it. They're not all out there like, know, the poor man, that's not what they're saying. And that is not how GenX women roll at all. No.

Wendy (56:48.91)
you

No. No. No, because even Sutton said, and I thought this was another perfect example, Sutton said, listen, like, you can reverse it with me. Like, look at myself, like, with my marriage. For 40, you know, 40-year-old me was married to this guy. We had children together. I did everything. We bought this house. If he spoke to me like that, like, can you imagine? Can you imagine if a man spoke to her?

Kelli (57:14.94)
Right. Right.

Lori (57:16.181)
Alright.

Wendy (57:21.248)
or any woman like that and she just still didn't get it, like it still didn't click.

Lori (57:27.658)
Because you can be proud of yourself without cutting somebody else down.

Kelli (57:36.742)
And you can empower other women without emasculating your husband on national television.

Lori (57:43.35)
Right. And that emasculation has nothing to do with the old ways of patriarchy. No, it's just a, it should be a common sense thing. Like you don't want a guy to make you feel like shit. So why would you say things and girl, he's lying to you. He's lying to you that it don't bother him. He's lying. I don't give a shit.

Kelli (57:55.12)
It's respect.

Kelli (57:59.549)
Right, it's respect.

Kelli (58:07.848)
That's right. I make half of what my husband makes, half. That is not ever thrown in my face.

Lori (58:14.686)
He's lying to you.

Lori (58:18.836)
No, never, no.

Kelli (58:19.966)
that would never fly in this house.

Lori (58:24.008)
No, one has nothing, it just has nothing to do with nothing. It's a bunch of nonsense.

Wendy (58:28.384)
It has nothing to do with nothing. It's about a partnership. you know, even the whole thing with her coming on with the designer stuff, when they tried to explain that to her, she didn't get that either. I thought that this, that's what this show is about. No, this show is not about that. And they pointed out to her, you said, make sure you get a picture of my bag or make sure a shot of my bag.

Lori (58:31.753)
Absolutely.

Lori (58:52.882)
shot of the butt.

Wendy (58:56.128)
Nobody has ever said that in the history of Housewives, ever.

Kelli (58:56.818)
You no, well, not that we know of, but I kind of almost felt bad for her in that second. You're gonna think I'm crazy, but I feel like maybe in that moment when she did that, like, because listen, Jennifer Tilly's walking around with a $40,000 beaded, what was it that broke? Bear, I mean, come on. So you know production is,

Wendy (59:07.65)
Really?

Lori (59:18.358)
bear bag. Right. Right.

Wendy (59:19.99)
bear. It was crystal. Yeah.

Kelli (59:26.46)
Focusing on that zooming in on that so maybe Amanda thought well here. am I'm this young chick I have this you know motivational thing like they're not gonna think I can bring it like that so maybe she was like don't you know make sure you get like I Have a Chanel bag like showing my Chanel bag

Lori (59:43.488)
Well, think that, I think that, but I think that the Chanel bag thing was when they were in Arizona and she was gonna wear it hiking. And I remember her thinking it was like a funny thing. Like she was trying to be cute that she was hiking with her Chanel bag. But now, know, Erica says, you can't lead with that shit. We're too old and too experienced. But I'm not a big watcher of the show, but I have.

Kelli (59:52.648)
Right.

Kelli (59:56.765)
Right.

Lori (01:00:10.57)
looked at some old episodes and watched social media posts. And when Erica came on the show, didn't she like fly her team first class and have glam? And it was all about her closet and about...

Wendy (01:00:23.822)
The whole difference is she never mentioned, this is the difference, this is what I've said even between this and Potomac. In Beverly Hills, traditionally they have the wealth and you see it. Production puts what it costs on the screen. It is never verbalized. It is never verbalized what the prices are ever on Beverly Hills. Except for Dana Wilkie. Except for Dana Wilkie.

Kelli (01:00:24.531)
Yes.

Kelli (01:00:46.174)
No, no, not the prices. But Erica, except for Zany Wilkie, but Erica did do that. Yes, 100%. She took them on a tour of her house, her, you know, showed them her chapel. Yes, she 100 % did that.

Wendy (01:00:55.49)
Well, she did do that.

Lori (01:01:03.336)
I'm just saying, like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm just saying.

Wendy (01:01:05.602)
But that's, but it was a tour of her house. wasn't, it wasn't, here's one of my bags. I mean, we've seen.

Kelli (01:01:06.3)
Yes.

Kelli (01:01:10.246)
It's she wants to show her bag like like when it comes down to it You have something that you're proud of and you want to show it I've I own I kind of felt bad for Amanda in that moment when they jumped on her about that And I don't think Erica did it again. I thought Erica was great in that moment Like we don't want you to lead with that stuff. Yes. The nice things are nice Yes, we're in Beverly Hills and we're the wealthiest franchise but

Lori (01:01:36.127)
Right, right.

Kelli (01:01:40.133)
show us who you are. But I also think, I feel like I'm defending Amanda lot here, but I also think that Amanda had a hard time showing them any other side of her because Bose particularly was coming so hot for her and about her business. That she was always on the defense, always had the guard up. And know, Doree and Bose are kind of a dynamic duo. So you got beef with Doree, now you got beef with Bose.

Lori (01:01:57.14)
Right. So she felt she had to defend it, right. That she was always on the defense. Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (01:02:08.251)
Right. And then she starts coming for your business and you're starting, you're trying to defend it. And then everybody says, well, you don't talk about anything but your business. Well, I wonder why kind of like, yeah.

Kelli (01:02:16.284)
Right. Right. But I thought Erica was great in that moment too.

Lori (01:02:22.142)
Yeah, I thought Erica did like the best on this reunion. thought she was

Kelli (01:02:25.02)
Yeah, she had a great reunion so far, at least episode one.

Wendy (01:02:27.128)
So far, so far, I agree. I agree, like I said, I think Erica was fabulous this first part, I really do. And then it comes up about what Amanda had said about Boz in the Vineyard, about her having the same type of business and hers was losing money and Amanda's was making money. I mean, Amanda was adamant that Boz said it, Boz was adamant that she didn't say it.

and then they show the clip and then they show the clip and she did just like the darn Pinocchio thing. Once again, like Bose doesn't quite remember what she said, but when we heard the whole thing and it was explained, it wasn't that she was losing money. was that this was like a charitable, like a philanthropic that she does.

Kelli (01:02:56.85)
she did.

Wendy (01:03:23.682)
so that other people that didn't have what she had can learn these skills. She wasn't doing it to make money.

Kelli (01:03:28.424)
but she had a nice amount of time to think about that from the time she said it in the vineyard until the time she had to explain it on the reunion. She had a nice amount of time to think about it. I'm not saying she didn't, but I'm saying that she could have been much more clear at the vineyard. She said, and I lose money on it. That's what she said, but she never,

Lori (01:03:32.073)
absolutely.

Wendy (01:03:37.866)
You don't think she taught at Harvard? You don't think she taught at Harvard for three semesters? Like, you don't think that that was her intention with these courses?

Lori (01:03:40.798)
No, we're not, no, we're not, we're not saying that.

Lori (01:03:56.308)
Right, that's how Amanda took it. Right, you don't know.

Kelli (01:03:57.808)
Unless production left that part out and we didn't see it. She did.

Wendy (01:03:58.488)
But, well, she said, I don't care if I make money. She said, I don't care if I make money. As a matter of fact, I lose money. The fact that she said, I don't care that I make money.

Kelli (01:04:06.559)
okay. So, but she didn't go into depth like she did on the reunion. So they're coming hard for Amanda for not explaining herself for certain things throughout the season, but Boze just did the same thing.

Wendy (01:04:21.294)
listen, I do not think Boz is innocent. I think that Boz, you know, she'll stand hard, you know, 10 toes down that she didn't say something. And then twice, twice we got her.

Lori (01:04:31.444)
Right now, she's clearly had.

Kelli (01:04:32.638)
Right, so that's what I mean. So she was like so adamant, like, no, I did not. I did not say that. No, I did not. She did say it. It needed a little bit more clarification, but like you said, she stood 10 toes down that she didn't say it. You just, you said it. You said it.

Wendy (01:04:33.55)
It's two times.

Wendy (01:04:46.488)
Yep. Yep. You said it. You said it.

Lori (01:04:48.276)
Right. Absolutely.

Kelli (01:04:52.765)
Yeah.

Lori (01:04:53.078)
We'll see you next time.

Wendy (01:04:55.438)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:04:55.806)
I thought it was a very good first episode though. I mean, it gave us over an hour worth of content. That's crazy.

Wendy (01:04:59.159)
No, I did too.

Lori (01:05:02.262)
There you go.

Wendy (01:05:03.308)
Yeah, that is crazy. All right, so that's all we have then for Beverly Hills reunion part one. So you're gonna have to wait and tune in for part two next week. Thank you for watching and listening. And then part three. Bye.

Lori (01:05:09.695)
Yeah.

Lori (01:05:13.342)
And then we'll have part three.

Kelli (01:05:19.795)
I think this one deserves a part three though. Bye.

Lori (01:05:22.228)
Yeah. All right. Bye.