Summer House-Amanda Walks Off, Kyle Melts Down & West Gets Called Out 🔥

Kelli (00:01.378)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:04.394)
I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:06.62)
tonight we're talking about Summer House season ten reunion part two. But first I'd like to ask you all to go to YouTube and subscribe, Instagram and Facebook and follow and share and give five star reviews. Please and thank you.

Wendy (00:25.933)
Thank you.

Kelli (00:28.27)
all right. So of course we pick up where we left off and with Sierra saying that Amanda is weak and mute and Lindsay says he's gonna do it to you too, Amanda. And Lindsay says I feel bamboozled by you to Amanda, but I still want to protect you.

Wendy (00:54.325)
I thought that was weird.

Kelli (00:56.94)
I thought it was nice. I

Wendy (01:00.447)
No, it is it is nice actually. I mean, because, you know, she's known her for ten years.

Kelli (01:05.196)
Yeah, and and their relationship has gone through ebbs and flows, Amanda and Lindsay. You know, especially when certain other people were in the house. So KJ enters the chat and he again does you know, he's just he wins the reunion as far as I'm concerned. He's my hero and this in this reunion and I and I love him for it. He basically says that his dad was a womanizing player and his mom dealt with a lot of shit.

Wendy (01:09.365)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (01:33.057)
So he's hurting because he grew up watching that and it destroyed his family. His dad was a liar, and he brings up the conversation at dinner where Sierra is saying that she's received, you know, obviously they feel a lot of pressure being housemates of color. Sierra being the first person of color in the house, and the heat she the pressure she put on herself.

And then the heat she got from letting this basically white guy do what he did to her. And you know, West I I don't know. He j he, you know, he he accepts it, he receives he's he seems to receive it, and then he's like, I you know, when this is all over, I'd love to have a conversation in the future. And KJ does say he's open to it.

But i i it's like I don't I I don't know. I don't I don't get the impression that West Well, he obviously doesn't receive it because

Wendy (02:31.062)
Yeah.

Kelli (02:41.122)
Well, I guess here, so Andy asks Sierra what made her speak on that at the table that night, and she said that being the first black person on the show, it there's a whole element that no one else on the show had to deal with. And if she has white friends right now, she wants to talk about the political climate of this world. The conversations are vital. And if you can't do that as her friend, you're not gonna be friends with her. And good for her.

Wendy (03:10.348)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Kelli (03:14.282)
Yeah. Andy asked Sierra if she believed West when he when he said, I see you. And we clocked this right away. She said West and Amanda were using buzzwords to basically appease her. so she may have believed it then, but not now. And you know

Amanda says, Everything I've said to you is truly how I felt in those moments. And Amanda says, This has hurt me.

So

Wendy (03:50.388)
lot. It really hurt. I was like, wait a second. Wha how do you think Sierra feels?

Kelli (03:55.521)
You know Exactly. Like for like first of all and I and I have I have a lot of opinions. We're probably not gonna agree on a decent amount tonight 'cause I got some opinions, but

Kelli (04:14.186)
West clearly didn't hear Sierra or see Sierra or receive anything she was saying because he did to her after she had that conversation, he did the same fucking thing to her again.

All the while having a girlfriend that we find out about.

So they're they're coming at Amanda for being out. Amanda says she and West have had conversations about the future and what it might look like. And Mia says, I need more clarification. Amanda says that their relationship is based off of being friends. And she was embarrassed to have to say to Sierra that she and West had feelings for each other. And Mia's like, Yeah, well, that is embarrassing. And that's when Amanda gets up and removes herself.

Wendy (04:59.361)
Yeah.

Kelli (05:03.124)
And West just sits there with his thumb up his ass like a dumbass.

And it literally takes Kyle to encourage West to get up and go after Amanda.

Wendy (05:17.588)
Yeah. It was bad. It was really bad. I mean, I honestly felt for Kyle during this reunion. I really did. I mean

Kelli (05:28.056)
See, that's where you and I are gonna disagree.

Wendy (05:30.45)
I know. I know. I really did. I feel for him. You know, I do feel for him. I and I said it at the end of, you know, at the season finale, when he was sitting there and, you know, reflecting that, you know, he screwed this up, that he really loves her. He he knows his part in it. Like he knows his part in it, right? She has no idea. She doesn't think she's a part of it. She just thinks that she, you know, she's a victim and she's moving on. And she doesn't even

Kelli (05:55.075)
Lo so let me ask you, do you think Amanda would be getting this kind of energy from the fans if she weren't with West? Right. So when Amanda left Kyle initially, the consensus was good for her, it's taken long enough, right? She's moving on. He's okay. So at that moment when you feel that way, you are acknowledging that Kyle was not

Wendy (06:07.5)
Absolutely not.

Wendy (06:18.123)
Right.

Wendy (06:24.532)
No. No, no. I I don't think Kyle was a good husband. I've never said he was a good husband. I still have empathy for him. I have empathy for him. I don't I don't I think he was a horrible husband. I think he was a horrible boyfriend. I have empathy for him because he's now realizing the error of his ways and what he just lost. I don't th I don't think it's justified anything he's done. I don't think anything he's done is justified. No.

Kelli (06:24.662)
A good husband.

Kelli (06:44.096)
Okay, okay, and and I I get that. but I'm I'm just gonna jump real quick. When she says about New Year's Day and he came home at 8 a.m., is that someone who seems like they're they know what they've done wrong and they're really trying to fix their marriage? I mean, we're talking about December thirty first now. If you think he

Like if he realized in September when they left that house that he fucked up, why in December when you're supposed to be working things out?

Wendy (07:21.376)
Well, because I mean, we see it. We see it happening right then and there. We see it that on Oct in October on in the city. He already feels like she's checked out. She's already she's told him that she's can only find a year long lease. He's having a conversation with her in October. And she he's not even listening to her. She's like packing her shoes. Like

Kelli (07:41.134)
But

Wendy (07:46.419)
She had checked out of that relationship and he's realizing that while he's filming in the city. So yeah, by december thirty first, that ship had sailed. So why she even brought that up is beyond me.

Kelli (07:59.831)
I don't well, I guess because that's when they put the statement out, whenever. Okay. So at this point in the reunion, and I don't understand this, Levi has to leave. I saw the funniest thing, by the way, I started following Levi. She put up a bunch of pictures and one of the pictures is a shirt. It's laying on a bed and it says Bailey's Imaginary Friend.

I thought that was the funniest thing in the world. I mean, I don't why does she have to leave? I know.

Wendy (08:26.71)
That is funny. I don't know why she had to leave either. I guess because she wasn't saying anything and they they had nothing to ask her. She didn't have a package. There was no questions to ask her. So it I mean, what was she gonna do? Right. I know, I thought that was weird too.

Kelli (08:34.614)
Yeah, she did a definitely didn't have a package. They're basically pushing her off the couch.

Kelli (08:43.244)
Yeah. So they go to break and everyone, basically but West, goes over to Kyle and he says, We know that West had a full blown, exclusive relationship since February of twenty twenty five. And they basically nail it like I think Carl said it. West knew Amanda was gonna have this breakup. She was gonna have her moment.

And Carl says, Yeah, but she's still married to you and she can't commit. Like they're spot on. Like Amanda was gonna have this, you know, single whatever. And West was like, Fuck yeah, I'll jump on that bandwagon. But because she's still married, it's not like, you know, how far can it really go?

Wendy (09:30.728)
because it's West. Because it's well well that's it. He didn't think that she would he didn't think she would bite. But little did he know what low self esteem she had.

Kelli (09:38.216)
I think he thought she would bite, but it was he she's gonna bite, but how how committed does he have to be? She's legally still married, you know? He could pretend all he wants, but when it comes down to it, it's not like she's gonna be asking him for an engagement ring. She's still married.

So I thought this was interesting. Jesse said during the break that people keep saying to him, This is fake, right? And he's like, No, this isn't fake. I mean, obviously the thought crossed my mind. I don't I I'm sure it crossed many people's minds.

So now Dara comes out. Amanda is still not out. West says she'll be out soon. And Andy asks Dara about West because she's friends with him and obviously they dated. She said she doesn't sud see him suddenly waking up one day and manning up to this relationship. You act like a good guy, but you treat the women in your life like they are expendable.

And Kyle says I'd like Amanda to hear what Darrell just said because I'm worried about her. And now Kyle gets up to go get Amanda, but Andy stops him and says, No, she's coming out.

Wendy (10:42.89)
Yeah.

Kelli (10:50.967)
and

Wendy (10:52.022)
That's only because Sierra's like, you know, why you know, why isn't she coming back from break? Because you know, there she needs to be there. Like she's d delaying everybody. It's not just, you know, the Amanda show.

Kelli (11:03.83)
Right. Right. Andy brings up Ben, KJ, and Jesse starting the summer as bachelors, and then they show they show Lindsay and Ben talking. And she said, I feel better that Ben didn't flirt back with me because he was actually dating Sabrina. And Ben says they're still together and that she has helped him with his relationship with his dad. He said his relationship had been broken because

I guess his parents are born again Christians. And while he was in high school his father caught him in bed with his high school girlfriend and his dad said, I can't talk to you anymore. That's I mean, I didn't expect that to be the reason their relationship was

Kelli (11:50.924)
Was that not on the D VR? Okay.

Wendy (11:51.457)
We didn't know. We didn't we didn't know why. We just knew that he didn't have a good relationship with his father since he was a teenager, but we didn't know I didn't know why.

Kelli (11:59.491)
That's what he said. His parents are born-again Christians. His father walked in on him in bed with his high school girlfriend, and that was why his father would not speak to him. So yeah. So while they visited visited Australia, Sabrina made sure to be very like not soup, you know, like like hug his dad, like affectionate. And then by the time they were leaving,

Wendy (12:09.568)
That's crazy.

Kelli (12:26.134)
He was able to give his father a hug, which he hasn't done since he was a teenager. So it seems like they're I mean, s I know people were coming at Sabrina for, you know, clout chasing, but they seem to be okay. I honestly thought Dara was more of a clout chaser, but after after I mean, she like re redeemed herself to me on this right, on this reunion. What she said about West, like, you know.

Wendy (12:30.538)
Yeah, that that blew me away.

Wendy (12:39.968)
No, they do seem to be okay. I still don't

Wendy (12:52.778)
Yeah, I thought so. I mean

Kelli (12:55.808)
And she so I don't know what's going on with her and K J, but she posted a picture on her Instagram the night this aired and supposedly they had broken up again. And Sierra commented and said, Like, you looked beautiful. So she and Sierra are still good, Dara. So I don't know what's going on with her and K J, but you know, who knows?

Wendy (13:17.908)
I don't know either, but I was listening to Teddy and Tamar today and they were saying I couldn't find it that they like supposedly KJ posted something like, you know, we're s like we're still working through things. Like it's n you know and I think that that is probably the case. Like after the reunion

Kelli (13:32.052)
okay.

Wendy (13:39.736)
One after filming it, two after it, you know, starting to air. Like he's got like that's a lot. That's a lot. Especially when he was, you know, he was in re you know, he's in recovery, you know? So I I'm, you know, wishing them the best. That's that's my h hope for them. Like whatever best for them.

Kelli (13:45.612)
Yes, it is a lot.

Kelli (13:50.22)
Yep. Yep.

Kelli (13:55.847)
I agree. I agree. Yeah. Amanda finally rejoins them and Dara kind of reiterates what she said earlier. She says it will always be the West show. Andy says it would be ironic if you went from the Kyle show to the West show, which is basically what everyone's saying. And Kyle says the Kyle show wasn't that bad. yes, it was, and you were married to her, so it was worse. Like, what are you talking about?

Wendy (14:12.8)
That was so true.

Wendy (14:24.03)
It's so funny to me. You have such vitriol for Kyle, which is why you wouldn't even watch this show. I know, I know, I know.

Kelli (14:28.0)
I just I d honestly, honestly. I mean, he was a married man acting like a frat boy. Like I I don't know.

Wendy (14:37.364)
I I mean, how about when we find out, 'cause I have to jump to it now, that they haven't had sex in four years. They've only been married four years.

Kelli (14:47.618)
They haven't had sex the whole time they're married. Why would you marry somebody you're not having sex with? Why would you stay married to someone you're not having sex with? Unless someone is injured. Unless someone is injured. Yeah, but see, that's the thing. Yeah, I listen, I don't doubt for a second that Kyle l didn't love Amanda. I I do think he loves her. But he was stepping out in the marriage. So needs weren't being met. He yes, he did. He said his needs weren't being met.

Wendy (14:55.658)
Why is that only his fault? He loved her. He loved her.

Wendy (15:11.328)
Well he hasn't

Kelli (15:16.822)
Okay, well then you get separated and you get divorced, you don't go fuck around. That's my issue. He can say whatever he wants now. He was he was stepping out.

Wendy (15:32.958)
I don't know but I like I don't know.

Kelli (15:33.249)
I don't. no, he definitely was. And I'm gonna tell you something. I think Amanda so confidently saying yes, he was unfaithful, and I've said this before too, I believe West has witnessed him being unfaithful and has now told Amanda about it. I said it I I'm sure I said it months ago. I'm sure West has seen Kyle be unfaithful to Amanda at least once, maybe more.

And Carl sitting there saying that he hasn't, I tend to call bullshit, but I I do think Carl is in in a good place, like where I don't think he would lie. But you know, he can't be out with Kyle all that much because he's sober.

Wendy (16:17.676)
Well, that's that's the whole thing. West is his good time boy out partying late with him until three c Carl's not doing that. So of course Carl's not gonna see it.

Kelli (16:24.258)
Exactly.

And I'm sure Jesse's witnessed it too. So Andy reads a comment from a viewer about Jesse having feelings for Sierra. And you know, it is funny. It kind of is like a little not hypocritical, but it is interesting. Like, well, I don't know. whatever. I I don't know what I'm trying to say here. Like i I wonder if J what if Jesse were serious over the summer? 'Cause

Wendy (16:27.892)
Mm.

Kelli (16:54.808)
Jesse says that he did catch feelings for Sierra and it wasn't a joke. But he went about it in his typical joking manner and he regrets that. So what if he didn't do that? What if they what if they really did like try to date that summer? And and expected Wes to just be okay with it? That's kind of hypocritical, isn't it?

Wendy (16:58.304)
He was serious.

Wendy (17:22.54)
I don't really think it is, honestly, because it's a totally different situation. Because Jesse didn't do Sierra wrong. And see at that point, if if

Kelli (17:30.914)
No, but Jesse would be doing West wrong.

Wendy (17:35.124)
Well, that's why he asked for permission.

Kelli (17:38.764)
Yeah. Well, yeah, that's true. Okay. So he went about it. Right.

Wendy (17:39.817)
And West and West West didn't West West didn't s didn't say he had feelings for Sierra. Not to Jesse. He said it to Ben. He said it to Ben. He said it to other people. But he didn't say not that we saw Right. He didn't tell Jesse not to do it. Yeah, he didn't tell Jesse not to do it. And I listen, I think it would have been okay, to be quite honest with you.

Kelli (17:48.087)
No, he didn't.

Kelli (17:52.3)
He didn't tell Jesse not to do it. He said it would be weird or whatever, but he didn't tell Jesse not to do it.

Kelli (18:04.162)
Yeah. So then Amanda's flirtiness was in question. And and then they asked Sierra and asked her about like Sierra and Jesse's flirtations. But she said it's just how we are with each other and I kind of agree with her. I do think that they were just yeah, it was just that kind of dynamic in that house, especially, you know, after Paige and Sierra had been there for so long.

Wendy (18:22.559)
No, I think so too.

Kelli (18:33.92)
I I th I just feel like it, you know Yeah. Yeah. And Jesse just was that guy like, you know, b who w who wouldn't want to cuddle up with Jesse? I would want to cuddle up with Jesse. He's adorable. So Jesse is single but he's he's looking for something more serious.

Wendy (18:34.762)
He wanted to be a bed bug. He said it. I mean, he wanted to be one of the bed bugs.

Wendy (18:49.139)
Andy asked

Wendy (18:53.352)
Andy asked about that song that he wrote, if that was about his feelings for Sierra, the you know, l you know, in love with your best friend. And he's like, No. And he's like, well, then another viewer asked about, was it about West and Amanda? And Jesse's like, no, I wrote that song a long time ago. Which I I'm actually glad that that question was asked, and I'm glad that he answered it.

Kelli (19:16.204)
I think there's still a chance it could be about Sierra. I don't think he was all that convincing when he said no. It's definitely not about West and Amanda. What the why would he write a song about them? But Jesse's going on tour and I felt bad because Carl Carl said his his music is kind of taking a beating online. I didn't know that.

Wendy (19:21.386)
Yeah.

Wendy (19:40.236)
I didn't know that either.

Kelli (19:41.741)
Yeah. But he did listen, he went to music school at University of Miami. Like he you know, he Yeah, he I mean he you know, he's trained and obviously ta he has talent. Like that's w you don't get into the music school of at mu University of Miami without having some talent. You don't get into University of Miami without being something special. You know, it's just it's it's not that kind of school you just walk into.

Wendy (19:47.328)
I was shocked to hear that. Yeah.

Wendy (20:02.22)
I would think not.

Kelli (20:09.986)
So but he appreciates all the support from the cast. And I listen, I wish him well. I'll I'll download some songs, Jesse. I got you. I do too. Yeah.

Wendy (20:19.486)
Mm. I like Jesse. I d I like him. I think he's endearing. I think he's very endearing.

Kelli (20:25.836)
So now we recap Carl and Lindsay's sit down. And Carl says he was finally comfortable in his own skin, which I do think this is the first summer where we really see that.

Wendy (20:39.606)
I do too. I do too.

Kelli (20:41.974)
I know he's been sober for longer than that, but I feel like it's taken him until now to really Yeah.

Wendy (20:46.112)
I take so easily.

Well Lindsay even said that she thinks that now he's finally the person that he was meant to be. And this is someone who knows him very well, who has spent ten years with him and seen his good, his bad, you know, like she knows him.

Kelli (21:03.928)
Yeah. Yeah. So Andy congratulates him on Soft Bar, which at the time had been open for seven months, and he said that they were actually profitable the last month, which is pretty impressive. Yeah. Carl says he did Yeah. Yeah. Carl says he did deep down feel like he had something to prove to Lindsay and her coming to the opening meant the world to him. He says he cares about her and he always will and her showing up shows who she is.

Wendy (21:14.784)
Amazing. Amazing. For brick and mortar, it's amazing.

Kelli (21:34.802)
yeah, and then Lindsay said she when she watches the show, Carl seems more in his skin and more comfort confident and it's beautiful to see. So I like, you know I I like the dynamic now between the two of them. It's kinda like it where it was prior to them dating.

Wendy (21:53.397)
I do too.

Wendy (21:57.397)
I think it's good. I think it's really good. Because then they bring up the whole Carl and Lindsay filming in Carl's apartment and the Carl's a mess. And we find out exactly how that whole thing came about, 'cause Lindsay explained it. And I didn't know about the man on the street interview. Like I didn't you know.

Kelli (22:06.381)
Yeah.

Kelli (22:10.307)
Yeah.

Kelli (22:17.834)
I w w we defin somebody sent it to us. I think Gina sent that to us. yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (22:24.106)
Yeah. but he's you know, he even said it like later on in the show. He's like, Yeah, I'm getting messages like from Carl's like crying. You know what I mean? Like the that's just because Carl is very emotional and he's in touch with his feelings and you know, right, and that's okay, right?

Kelli (22:36.302)
In touch with his feelings, yes.

Kelli (22:43.692)
Yeah, so Andy asks the rest of the cast what they thought of the commercial and Amanda says, I would never have done that to them during their breakup and it hurt. And Sierra says, Please, you would not monetize something, but you'll fuck your friend's ex. Like we don't even know where your bar is.

Wendy (23:05.448)
Exactly. It's so true though. It is so true.

Kelli (23:09.246)
It is true, like listen, I Yes, they definitely monetized on this, but Kyle had to be in on it. And didn't it like didn't it like help Loverboy? Yeah, it helped Loverboy.

Wendy (23:22.548)
Know if it helped Loverboy. You what's because I don't know exactly where the money went because I I I saw online somebody sent that they were donating the profits to one of Sierra's charities. I don't even know. I don't know. What whatever they did, they did, right? Whatever they did, they did. Right. And it's smart. It's smart. It's like like Lala did when sent it to Daryl.

Kelli (23:35.238)
Well hopefully they did that and and maybe it helped Loverboy. Who knows? Yeah. Exactly. Who cares? They're making money anyway.

Kelli (23:51.201)
Yes, yes. Yes she did. Yes. It is. It is. So when Amanda says that, I would never have done that. Lindsay says, I've been here for 10 years and I'll do whatever the fuck I want. And Amanda's like, I've been here for just as long. And Lindsay says, Well, I'm not effing my friend's ex. I mean, at this point, if I were Amanda, I probably would have just left.

Wendy (23:51.509)
She got herself a house in Palm Springs with send it to Daryl. Right? I mean, it's just brilliant. It's brilliant.

Wendy (24:11.913)
I know, I know.

Kelli (24:20.972)
Because she there's nothing she can say. Nothing she can say. Although she is sitting there kind of pompous and not looking very remorseful.

Wendy (24:30.538)
And that's where the problem lies, right there, is the fact that she is not owning any of it. That is why she is such a villain right now.

Kelli (24:33.022)
absolutely. Absolutely.

Kelli (24:40.562)
She thinks she's entitled to explore these feelings with West. I think she used the word. Yes. Ugh. So now we have to relive the dinner that ended in the fight between Kyle and Carl. Kyle says it pains him to watch it back and now he knows how Carl felt about his level of support.

Wendy (24:46.38)
I think she even said entitled. I think she used that word. Yeah.

Kelli (25:07.136)
And then Andy brings up the fact that this summer was hard for Kyle, not only because of his marriage, but because of financial issues with the business. And Sierra says she could have been a better friend to him.

I think Sierra was trying to be a good friend to Amanda.

Wendy (25:22.848)
She was

Kelli (25:25.376)
And and listen, the rest of them can't possibly know his financial situation, nor should they. You know, that's their business.

Wendy (25:31.084)
No, right. And honestly, I don't even know if Amanda knew what it was.

Kelli (25:37.763)
I don't particularly think she did. Amanda says that she hated to see the fight between Kyle and Carl, and she said that Kyle sees red and says things he's he regrets when he gets to that point. Obviously we've you know, we see that. Andy brings up West moving his chair over to Amanda during the dinner. West says Kyle's anger was towards Lindy and Sierra, but he was taking it out on Amanda and he wanted Amanda to know he had her back.

Wendy (25:42.154)
Yeah, I don't know that you know.

Kelli (26:07.126)
Honestly, I really don't see anything wrong with that. And I do think that I do think that West was just being her friend in that moment. I mean, Kyle sat across from her and said, fuck you. Like I listen, P you know, I we're from Jersey, we're we're with Jersey guys. Things get said, emotions get heightened. You're on camera.

You're with all of your friends. There's a chef over there and you're saying that to your wife on camera. Like it just to me it's like if he's d I don't know, if he's saying that to her then but I guess he was under the influence of alcohol, but

Wendy (26:52.916)
Listen, I mean I I don't I don't because we know who West is now and we know where they're at, I just it's it's hard to see his intentions as as as good.

Kelli (27:01.911)
It's hard.

Kelli (27:06.944)
I know. I know. Well, especially after that hug afterwards, you know, in the foyer where he's really they're really holding on to each other and they whisper, I love you to each other, so

Wendy (27:08.298)
And that's that's where the problem lies.

Wendy (27:13.642)
Yeah.

Kelli (27:21.282)
Amanda says it felt nice to have a guy stand up to Kyle when he said that to her because, you know, it's always the girls doing it for her. And she's not wrong. She's really not wrong. I mean, I think Carl was doing it.

Wendy (27:35.542)
Well, Carl was doing it, which is why Carl and him were fighting. Because Carl was doing it.

Kelli (27:37.547)
Yeah.

Right, right.

Kelli (27:46.104)
So Andy asks Kyle about the Cartier watch and I don't remember West saying Wolf Wall like making the comparison. You do? I don't remember that.

Wendy (27:53.197)
I remember him saying it. I do. The Wolf of Wall Street. I t I totally remember that. Because I thought to myself,

Kelli (28:03.254)
Yeah, like what a bad analogy to use about your friend. But West says that he was fired up and and listen, again, I kinda get this. West said he was fired up because he gave her the watch and then the next day called her a dumb effing bitch on camera. I'm kind of defending West on this one.

Wendy (28:06.07)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Wendy (28:25.012)
Yeah, but come on.

He did it in his confessional. He said this in his confessional. So how fired up was he? He did this months later when he already knew what the hell was going on.

Kelli (28:36.285)
yeah, it is months later. Yeah, you're right. You're right. You're right.

Wendy (28:38.517)
You know what I'm saying?

Kelli (28:41.674)
I mean this is clearly how Kyle treated Amanda though. I mean, I I just I don't know. But Wes does apologize for taking it too far with the metaphor. And this is what cracks me up. Kyle asks West, Were you trying to make me look extra bad? Bro, you do that all on your own. You said F U to your wife.

You called your wife a dumb effing dumb effing bitch. Like, Wes didn't have to do anything to make you look bad. He yes, he's screwing your wife right now, and that makes him the worst person in the world. But last summer, he might have been screwing her, but he wasn't he nothing he did was making Kyle look bad. Kyle was doing it all on his own.

Wendy (29:15.722)
Right.

Wendy (29:29.196)
Kyle was absolutely making himself look bad. And I think that was one of the questions that Andy asked them on Watch What Happens Live. Like in the beginning of this, you know, the season, like you would have thought that like and he even said it's a Kyle when he came out. We would have thought that Kyle was gonna be in the hot seat. But after the w everything, the way it played out, when we actually watched it back, and it's like she did it to herself. He but he sh th that's the difference is she doesn't admit it.

Kelli (29:46.894)
For sure.

Wendy (29:58.251)
When Kyle does it to himself, he admits it and he owns it. He's like, I did this, like I screwed this up.

Kelli (30:04.514)
thing is is that yeah, they both need to admit that they were

negligent in the marriage. Like they neither one of them were putting the effort in they should have. You're not having sex with your husband for four years while you're married. I understand he goes out. He can't he can't be bulatto drunk all the time. He's running a business. So there's no way. So there had to be some moments where he was lucid enough for you to have sex with him. Like, right? Like unless you're injured, God forbid. And I and I mean that.

Wendy (30:36.332)
Right. Right. But you know

No, but th that's the other thing, is that you know, w it's been alluded to that, you know, she was smoking weed every night and like she wasn't going out. So i think there's a lot more to this.

Kelli (30:54.082)
Well, listen, I totally agree with you, but I'm I'm gonna say this. I don't blame her for not wanting to go out with with Kyle. And when she says I because they come at her for going out all the time now, I didn't want to go out with Kyle, I am I get that. I don't blame her one bit. Who wants to go out with someone who gets blackout drunk, especially when you're their partner, you gotta babysit them. You have to get them home.

I I would want no part of that. I wouldn't go out with him either. Maybe she enjoys going out with West because maybe he gets drunk, but maybe he doesn't get blackout drunk where she's got to take care of him. You know what I mean? I don't like to I don't like to be around very drunk people. I don't like it. I don't want to be anybody's babysitter. I don't want to have to take care of anybody. Certainly not my partner. It's embarrassing. Mm mm.

Wendy (31:37.568)
I don't

Wendy (31:44.172)
Yeah.

Wendy (31:53.069)
I get that, but that's not how I took it. I I th I took it like Kyle took it. Like y okay, you don't want to go out with me. We've been together ten years, but you want like he's a bigger partier than I am. Like West is him ten years ago. You know what I'm saying?

Kelli (32:08.002)
Right. But West must not get like that. I one hundred percent u s understood what Amanda was saying.

Wendy (32:11.004)
Or or she accepts it. Or she accepts it from West because West is new.

Kelli (32:17.952)
I don't think he's getting that sloppy. I don't think he's getting to the point that Kyle would get to. I think Kyle has zero self-control. But thank God Andy tells Kyle, I cannot we cannot defend you saying F you to Amanda at the table. And Amanda says, It's not the first time you talk to me.

Wendy (32:27.285)
Well

Wendy (32:38.26)
No, honestly I'm sure she's talked to him like that too.

Kelli (32:41.774)
I'm sure they had very harsh banter.

Wendy (32:47.158)
But also with West, you know, and we've we've mentioned this before. I wish it would have come up at the reunion. Like I think there's snow involved there, you know? So so we know Yeah, that we know that that that Kyle doesn't do that. We know that from Carl. We know that. And Kyle has said that. Like we know that. Kyle doesn't do that. He doesn't do that. So that could be part of the the issue too. You know, like we found out with Jax all those years, everyone was hiding and covering for him.

Kelli (32:55.631)
I'm sure. So maybe she's doing that, yeah.

Kelli (33:03.34)
Right. Right.

Wendy (33:16.874)
Right? It c it could be the exact same thing that's going on with you know, we don't know.

Kelli (33:17.154)
Yep. Yep.

Kelli (33:22.946)
Yeah. But I I I personally feel like that's why Amanda doesn't want to go out with him because because of the w Kyle. Excuse me. So Kyle says that he and Amanda were not in a good place at the beginning of the last summer and he was thrown for a loop the first night when Amanda said he started to DJ to spite her when she wanted to start her bathing suit line and I was laughing 'cause I said the same thing when it happened. He did.

Remember when she went and told him that she wanted to do that and he like broke down and started crying because it was gonna take her time away from Lover Boy? okay. Like it he's such he's just a self absorbed person, Kyle. And you know, I I don't wanna be too hard on him, but he's just very self absorbed.

Kyle says she Amanda says she went into the summer not in a great place with Kyle because he slept at a fan's house. She didn't know where he was, never heard from him. I mean, come on. That's ridiculous behavior for a married man. Okay.

Wendy (34:28.342)
Why didn't she know where he was? She doesn't have like find my on her husband because a that's how they found out where Amanda was. I mean, doesn't that s I think that's a little strange. That's typical of a man.

Kelli (34:32.942)
I don't know. Yeah. She says she didn't know where he was. Maybe his phone died. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (34:44.824)
Kyle blames Amanda not going out basically for him going on a bender. Like

Because she wouldn't go out with him. He would drink all that much more. Like, come on, Kyle. Like, I just feel like he's not taking any accountability in this situation. And honestly, I don't I don't blame her for saying she didn't want to go out with him, like I said. Andy asks Amanda if she's worried about being with West for the same reason. And she says no, she hated going out with Kyle.

Kyle tells her to shut the F up.

Wendy (35:28.744)
Nope, didn't see that either. That wasn't on the show.

Kelli (35:30.858)
yeah. One hundred percent he sh when she was talking about not wanting to go out with him, he gets that upset and says to her, Shut the F up. So shut the F up.

Wendy (35:42.135)
Well wait. Wait, no, no. I I have shut the F up when he was talking to West. I have Andy said to Kyle, what's going on? And she said I hated going out with him. Kyle said, Give me a break. This kid parties twice as hard as I do. You are you are the most immature, fraudulent F I've ever met. Shut the F up. I have him saying that to West.

Kelli (36:05.506)
Right, but wet but West wasn't talking. Amanda was talking. Kyle started talking about what yeah, but

Wendy (36:10.952)
I know Wes wasn't talking, but he was but he was talking to West when he was saying that 'cause he then

Kelli (36:17.42)
Why was he t why was he telling West to shut the F up when West wasn't talking? He was ta he was saying it to Amanda.

Wendy (36:22.762)
Because he was tell I don't think he was. I honestly don't think he was. The way I heard him say it and the way I watched him say it, because he was he was directing it. Like, what are you kidding me? This kid, he parties twice as much as I do. Like, he's the most immature, fraudulent F I've ever seen. Shut the F up. I don't I don't think he was talking to her. I think he was talking to West. That was on there, by the way. It's so funny.

Kelli (36:46.67)
Well, either either way, you we just saw we just saw the real Kyle. We just saw the real Kyle sitting on that couch.

Wendy (36:53.064)
It's so funny that you and I see this so different.

Kelli (36:56.61)
He's his whole he I mean, listen, West is a fraud, obviously, but Kyle right now playing the victim is to me ridiculous. I'm sorry that your wife left you, but honey, she should have left five years ago, and if it weren't for the show, she would have.

Wendy (37:17.022)
I I don't I don't think he's playing the victim.

Kelli (37:17.324)
One hundred percent.

Kelli (37:21.902)
I I I very much do. So Kyle says that a lot of people keep telling him that West isn't who he says he is.

Wendy (37:33.612)
Do you think that's true?

Kelli (37:34.21)
I mean I I don't know. Like say who? Who? Who's telling you who?

I sound like Kelly Dodd. And even West is like, okay, who? Like, Kyle brings up the statement about their separation and she says she made up her mind on New Year's Day. They were bickering. She spent New Year's alone, and she woke up the next morning and saw that he was at a hotel in Hoboken.

Wendy (37:44.076)
Ha ha.

Wendy (38:08.374)
So then she could see him. I guess his I guess his phone wasn't dead. I guess that's what the problem was the other time.

Kelli (38:13.838)
Well, the other time, yeah. So she waited until everyone was back in the office. She contacted Bravo PR and told them her plans. and then Andy asks if anyone has heard about Kyle with other women. Lindsay says yes, definitely before they were married. Carl says no. Amanda says there have been so many rumors and DMs over the years. And at this point, Sierra kind of interjects, and I really do feel like she should just stay.

Wendy (38:15.67)
Yeah.

Kelli (38:43.146)
just sit this one out now. Like, this is where Amanda should be able to speak. When they're talking about the marriage and what led to the separation. It this has well, we don't know if it has anything to do with West, but they're saying it's got nothing to do with West. So

Wendy (39:02.73)
He admitted to being inappropriate. He said, I've been I've been inappropriate. Did I have an affair? No. Did I sleep with someone? No. Have I been completely starved, deprived of anything from you? Yes. Have I acted out? He admitted to what he did. He says he didn't sleep with anyone. And again, like this is the whole thing with affair. Is it

Kelli (39:07.992)
He yeah.

Kelli (39:22.968)
But don't w if if if he kissed somebody, wouldn't that be cheating?

Wendy (39:27.668)
That's that's what I want that this is where you and I differ. This is where you and I differ. That's what I'm saying to you. No, I I mean listen, I think if you're out and you're drunk and you kiss somebody and you cheat on your wife by kissing somebody, I I I don't think that's the end of the world. I'm not telling my husband to go get drunk and go kiss somebody. I don't consider it cheating.

Kelli (39:31.712)
You don't think this is me is cheating?

Kelli (39:44.032)
Saying I'm not saying whether or not it's the end of the world, but i are you considering kissing cheating?

Wendy (39:50.772)
N not necessarily.

Kelli (39:52.44)
So if your husband went out and kissed someone else, you would not consider him cheating on you.

Wendy (39:59.449)
Like like I just said, I'm not telling my husband to go out and kiss somebody else. I but again, I fe no, I no, I I wouldn't consider I wouldn't No, because I think emotionally cheating is way worse than physically cheating, to be quite honest with you. Especially if it's a kiss.

Kelli (40:03.092)
I understand that, but would you consider is that does that fit into your definition of cheating?

Kelli (40:15.658)
I think kissing someone else is cheating. I think kissing someone else is cheating. I think I don't think a married person I think if a married person kisses someone else, that's definitely cheating.

Wendy (40:20.076)
Well what if you ne what if you don't even meet

Kelli (40:28.696)
That's an intimate act. It's a physical act. I agree with you that an emotional affair is worse than a physical affair, but I do consider the act of kissing cheating. But anyway, he's not telling us what he did. All he's saying is he was inappropriate. So and Amanda says he has stepped out of the marriage while we've been together.

Wendy (40:51.69)
Yeah, she did. But then Lindsay said, Well what does that mean? Kiss people's ears? Lindsay, Lindsay, is that ear stuff?

Kelli (40:53.014)
And then Kyle says he was starved and b deprived. Yeah, who said that? Does that mean ear stuff?

Kelli (41:04.054)
I feel like in this moment we needed that. Yeah, we needed that. Definitely needed that. Amanda says there was a girl that DM'd her that he was asking if he could make out with her. And then Amanda was sent a video of him making out with a girl. So see, to me, that is cheating. I mean, listen, I'm happy to hear that he did not have sex with anyone else while married. I don't know what he was doing. He must have been whacking off a lot because not having sex with your own wife.

Wendy (41:04.54)
This is hysterical.

Kelli (41:32.152)
For four years and then not having sex with anybody else, God bless. But she did receive a video of him making out with a girl. and he's claiming that his needs weren't being met their entire marriage. Why would you stay?

Wendy (41:50.004)
The question goes to both of them.

Kelli (41:50.75)
Unless someone is injured en fiзи cannot.

Wendy (41:55.873)
Why do you keep saying that? What where does that one come keep from come?

Kelli (41:57.635)
Because I'm just saying 'cause there so I'm sure there are people out there who are in a marriage who aren't having sex and that's the reason and I don't want them to think I'm an asshole for saying that they should be having sex.

Wendy (42:05.42)
Like you said that three times. I'm like, why does she keep saying unless you're injured? I'm like, Why nobody's nobody's injured here? What are you talking about?

Kelli (42:16.024)
Four years you're making the choice to not have sex with your spouse? I mean we're not throwing it around around here like we used to when we were first married, but four years?

Wendy (42:28.756)
Listen, I and again, I don't think i it's not like you're making a choice. I think, like Amanda said, you know, they just would fall into this being comfortable. Like she never lived alone. She would do her thing, he would do his thing. They had more communication when they were filming the summer house than they had at all. Because it was on camera. They had to have the conversations, right? They were just living as roommates.

Kelli (42:50.968)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (42:55.394)
Yeah, yeah, he says that.

Wendy (42:57.962)
I mean they were living as roommates is really what they were doing.

Kelli (43:01.644)
Yeah. I I do think that their relationship became more of like a brother sister type thing.

And I do think I mean, listen, you never know, you never know what could happen. I mean, don't count it out that those two don't wind up back together. Maybe they do.

Wendy (43:09.58)
Yeah.

Wendy (43:19.647)
no, I don't th I don't think that they're meant to be together. They're not meant to be together.

Kelli (43:22.958)
I do think that they'll be friends though at some point. 'Cause sh they co they kind of grew up together, you know. Yeah.

Wendy (43:27.572)
I think that that would be okay. I think that that would be okay if they were friends. Well, yeah, and again, like they were living like I said, like as roommates, right? It was like you know

Kelli (43:40.909)
Yeah. So somebody brings up the fact that Kyle has made out with Sally from Southern Charm. Who hasn't? I think I think you and I are the only two people that haven't made out with Sally from Southern Charm. And Sierra said that she called Amanda immediately and told her, which is ugh another twist of the knife. I loved when they brought up Kyle.

Wendy (43:49.844)
No, I haven't made out with Sally. No.

Wendy (44:02.046)
Well sh no, she didn't do that to tw she didn't do that to twist the knife.

Kelli (44:06.808)
No, I'm just saying twist the knife in Sierra's back. Like Sierra's saying, like I called you immediately when I heard about that. Meanwhile you're hooking up with my ex. Meaning Amanda twisting the back the knife in Sierra's back. That's what I meant. No.

Wendy (44:12.576)
Right.

Right, right.

Wendy (44:19.771)
okay. I thought you were me yeah, so speaking of the Sally thing, so I heard on

Reality Court, Ryan Bailey was on because Ace wasn't there. And Sally i so Lala put it out there on her podcast this week that she heard Kyle was really good in bed. And she didn't say how, but she was really willing to take it for a spin. Supposedly Sally is the one who told her that. That's what Ryan Bailey said, which wouldn't surprise me.

Kelli (44:31.446)
Mm-hmm. I listened to that, yeah.

Kelli (44:50.51)
Mm-hmm.

Right. It doesn't surprise me at all and I'm sure it's happened.

Wendy (44:58.602)
Yeah, I'm sure it is has too.

Kelli (45:00.526)
I'm sure it one hundred percent has happened. I think Sally needs to slow it down a little bit. And I'm not trying to slut shame anybody by any means, but Sally, it's not a great look. It's just not a great look. Chill.

Kelli (45:17.186)
You could you could have a very long future on Bravo. Just pump the brakes a little bit, girl. I love when they brought up Kyle kissing Meghan King Edum Edmonds. And Lindsay said he was on his tippies. And Kyle's like, My feet never left the ground.

Wendy (45:31.648)
That was so funny.

Wendy (45:35.574)
My heels were firmly planted.

Kelli (45:41.635)
And that's when Andy asked if the relationship would have lasted so long without the show and Kyle said that the house helped them communicate with each other. And then we break for lunch. I thought the interaction between Amanda and West in their room was interesting.

Kelli (46:04.736)
I mean

Wendy (46:05.292)
I mean West is like, do you want me to jump in more? Amanda's like, no, no, that'll just piss them off. Like they like they had this plan. What, Amanda, you

Kelli (46:15.25)
I honestly agree though. I think that if West I do think he should have helped her more. I don't think he should have sat there so mute. But I do think if he did, it the everybody was gonna jump all over him.

Wendy (46:30.848)
Well, they were jumping all over her. So it would have got it would have it would have deflected. Exactly.

Kelli (46:32.906)
I know, I know. So he should have Right. But I think that they would have been way more aggressive towards West. You I mean, although they were really throwing it at Amanda too. I I mean listen, there was nothing these neither one of them came out the way they should have. They should have came out extremely remorseful, extremely sorry, and said that they didn't.

Wendy (46:59.596)
Well, it's funny because West even says to her, I think like you need to breathe. Apologies, delivery, and composure. There was no apologies. That is where the problem was. There was no apology. You were not sorry. You were entitled your own words. So it's like, what what are we doing? You know, what are we doing?

Kelli (47:13.708)
Right. No.

Right. Right.

Wendy (47:24.428)
I don't know.

Kelli (47:26.222)
Kyle walks in on Sierra talking to Miha. Kyle says to Miha, was it clearly defined when you were exclusive? And she says, Yes. Last summer West was calling me his girlfriend, but was filming the show. And he basically told her

That he didn't want to go public with the relationship because he thought it would jeopardize his spot on the show because she wasn't in the Bravo verse.

Aye worst.

And she was with him the night before Watch What Happens live. and she goes on to say a little bit more and so it basically sounds like he broke up with her to be with Amanda. Right?

Wendy (48:13.878)
Sounds that way.

Kelli (48:18.958)
Climb that ladder, West. Climb that ladder.

Kelli (48:25.528)
So I you know, a lot of people are saying this was like a boring episode, but I I thought that this episode was important and it's for the reason that I it needs to be, you know, discussed how Kyle was in their marriage and he wasn't good.

And I listen, I'm not gonna you know, give him give him his moment, let him, you know, feel bad. He wasn't good.

Wendy (48:53.92)
He wasn't good. I I don't think anyone has ever said that n I don't think anyone has ever said that he was a good husband or a good boyfriend. I I don't think that they you know I don't think anyone

Kelli (49:02.348)
Yeah. But I think it's it was important for for that for this episode to air, kind of focusing on that because she did have every reason to leave him.

Wendy (49:16.396)
Absolutely she did.

Kelli (49:16.748)
What she what she did after that, or possibly before that, was the stupidest thing she could have done because she would have been having her Ariana moment right now. One hundred percent.

Wendy (49:21.301)
Right.

Wendy (49:26.538)
A hundred percent she would have. Yeah, no, she absolutely would have. And Kyle would have still been okay, by the way. Kyle would have still been okay. On the other hand, I don't know if Amanda's gonna be okay. Amanda is having is having her Raquel Rachel moment.

Kelli (49:35.266)
First absolutely. Absolutely.

Kelli (49:42.208)
I don't think a man is gonna be okay.

Kelli (49:47.374)
She really is. And you know, I was thinking about it today, like they did film VPR after that. Sandoval wasn't there. What

Wendy (49:56.157)
Once yes he was.

Kelli (49:59.449)
Sandoval wasn't on the show after Scandaval, was he? he was on the show. That's right. He was still on the show. That's right.

Wendy (50:03.06)
Yes. There was one season and then they ended it. There was one more season. There was one more season and then it ended because it it just couldn't continue.

Kelli (50:12.558)
That's right. That's right. He was on it. I was thinking he wasn't on it. And I I would hope that Raquel or Rachel, whatever, you know, decided for herself she wasn't coming back.

Wendy (50:22.122)
I think she did. I think that she did decide that, which, you know, good for her.

Kelli (50:27.468)
Yeah. But what Dara said about West, boy, that it was really good. It was really good.

Wendy (50:28.716)
Good for her.

Wendy (50:38.156)
No, I agree. It was good.

Kelli (50:41.976)
So what do you think? How long do you think this relationship's gonna last and do you think they're gonna be asked to become to come back on this season? 'Cause they're gonna start filming in July. We're a month away from today.

Wendy (50:50.304)
I kn I know. I know. it's not gonna last. It's definitely not gonna last. He you could see it, he's like, shit, now what do I do? supposedly what what they're saying is 'cause they're still in Italy and they went over there and he's with his family, so he's not even comfortable there with his own family, which is crazy.

Kelli (51:17.55)
I think they're there for a wedding, right?

Wendy (51:19.614)
Well they yeah, but I that wedding has, you know, happened already at this point. Like there's yeah. That's what they initially went there for. I I don't think it's gonna last. I I you know maybe a couple months if it even lasts that. as far as them coming back

Kelli (51:22.752)
Yeah, right, right, right, right. Yeah.

Wendy (51:42.6)
I don't know. That's a very good question.

Kelli (51:45.486)
I know. It's tricky, right? I really I I this is one time I don't have like a gut feeling like this is what I think is gonna happen. I really don't know what they're gonna do with Summer House. Obviously I want Carl to come back. No, he said it. And they had a three hour sit down last week, him and West.

Wendy (51:57.709)
'Cause Kyle would never say Yeah. He

Yes. Yes. Kyle would never say, you know, I don't I won't film with him. Kyle would never say that. and you know, the fact that Lindsay and Carl broke up and they still filmed together. Like, you know what mean? Like the thing

Kelli (52:21.528)
Yeah. I think it would be pretty crazy if they come back.

Wendy (52:27.84)
The thing is, like, with Lindsay and Carl, their breakup, like we still liked Lindsay and people still liked Carl. Right now, people still like Kyle, nobody likes Amanda, and nobody likes West. So what's the point of bringing them back?

Kelli (52:40.578)
Yep. Nope. Nope. I know. I totally agree with you.

Wendy (52:49.206)
What's the point?

Kelli (52:49.582)
I totally agree with that.

Wendy (52:56.022)
Mike I don't know. Well I guess we'll have to wait and see. We'll have to I mean we're not gonna find out right away. We need people on the streets out in Montauk and let us know. Right? Let us know who's out there. If you see if you see Amanda

Kelli (53:05.538)
New York. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (53:15.33)
Yes, please.

Let us know.

Wendy (53:18.55)
Well, I'm looking forward to the next one.

Kelli (53:21.73)
Me too. We're gonna wrap it up. Thank you for listening and please give us five star reviews and share and we'll see you soon.

Wendy (53:30.398)
Bye.

Kelli (53:31.459)
Bye.