RHOC-California Sober… and California Shady

Wendy (00:01.729)
Welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.245)
I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:05.887)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Orange County, season 19, episode number 11, Loose Lips Sync Trips. It's all right, it's all right. We pick up where we left off with Gina saying to Shannon, worry about you. But I'm glad she clarified it. She did say, to be fair, that comment was more about what you did, Tamara.

Kelli (00:20.014)
Really funny. Yeah.

Wendy (00:35.617)
you know, the shit you gave her all last year about drinking and then you're, you know, pulling her aside to have drinks. I love that she said that.

Kelli (00:36.141)
Right.

Kelli (00:45.822)
absolutely, it needed to be said. And of course then Tamra plays the victim and says, I'm damned if I do and I'm damned if I don't. You're not the victim here and you twisted what Gina's intent was. So no victim.

Wendy (00:52.171)
Yeah. And she also, yeah.

Wendy (00:57.887)
Right, and she also tried to double down with, but you did say that you were worried about her. Yeah, we've already established that, Tamara. Like that's already been established. So Shannon says, listen, I'm making decisions that are best for me.

Kelli (01:05.026)
Yes.

Wendy (01:17.365)
Tamara asked like, what do I have to do to make things better? And Shannon said, well, time. think time is something that I need. Listen, I appreciate the kind gestures and we laugh together and we have good time. But I think right now what I need is time. And I think that's fair, right?

Kelli (01:30.51)
Totally fair. Totally, totally fair.

Wendy (01:37.153)
Then Tamra says, well, as much as this conversation was difficult, like I appreciate that we had it and you know, I really believe that we are real friends and we can move forward from this. I call bullshit.

Kelli (01:50.584)
it is bullshit because at the, you know, we'll get there, but at the end, and she gets mad at whatever Shannon's saying to her outside the house, the first thing she does is go inside and says, huh, pour yourself another glass of champagne, Shannon. It's all bullshit. She doesn't want to be her friend. She's trying, she needs people, because everybody knows she sucks now, except Heather and Emily and Gina.

Wendy (01:55.178)
Yeah, at the end.

Wendy (02:06.08)
Yeah.

It is bullshit. Right.

Wendy (02:15.499)
Right.

Yeah, so then back in Beverly Hills, they're done with dinner. Then Heather went on this, which I thought was a little odd. You know, I hope you appreciate my feelings about Tamara. Like, I was scared of Tamara before, yes. I was like, wait, what?

Kelli (02:34.07)
I was very surprised she said that.

Wendy (02:36.373)
Because she's mean, she said. I've had many difficult people in my life. You know, I started to tell her the story about my dad, and then they cut to her talking to her, Tamar, and telling her the story, and she said that, you know, Tamar reminds her a lot of her dad because he used to have outbursts in public. And Tamar's like, well, I don't have outbursts in public in front of my friends and family. And Heather said, I'm not saying that you do, but, right, no, she does.

Kelli (03:01.996)
she does.

Wendy (03:04.351)
but she blew it off and she never came back to it. Like she never asked me. You know, she hasn't asked me since.

Kelli (03:12.086)
And Emily, what Emily said was so spot on. She said it's difficult for Tamara to have real friendships because she's always strategizing. She is 100 % right. Tamara Baces built her whole life now based on being a housewife. And what she has to do to be a good housewife as far as she's concerned, she thinks she's a good housewife.

Wendy (03:19.659)
That's it.

Wendy (03:29.151)
Yes.

Wendy (03:35.049)
Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Kelli (03:36.598)
I mean, that was really spot on that Emily said that, and I really hope that comes up at the reunion, and I really hope Emily doesn't backtrack out of it. Because she's right.

Wendy (03:44.801)
I agree with you. I agree. She's right. She's 100 % right. So Gretchen says, well, what was the situation with your dad? And Heather's like, I appreciate you for asking. And I actually do think she appreciates Gretchen asking.

Kelli (03:59.222)
I do, and I think that this was real honest moment from Heather DeBrow that we very rarely get to see, and I appreciated it.

Wendy (04:03.766)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (04:08.159)
Yeah, think the thing I think is interesting about this whole episode is that here we have Heather opening up about her dad and her relationship with her dad in Beverly Hills. And we have Shannon opening up about her dad and her relationship with her dad in Temecula. Temecula? Yeah, so, and like they weren't together. you know, like I think that those things actually happened organically.

Kelli (04:25.09)
Yeah, Temecula, yeah, yeah.

Wendy (04:34.353)
I don't know though with this show. Like I really think it was organic. They seemed like real instances. It's just interesting that this happened, right? So she says that her dad would, when they were out in public, like her and her sister, it was very uncomfortable. There'd be like random times when he would just have like an explosion in a restaurant or on vacation. And it was embarrassing. It was disturbing. like, you know, he has since passed. So,

Kelli (04:43.534)
Yeah.

Wendy (05:03.337)
It was never really a conversation I guess she got closure to, right?

Kelli (05:08.536)
Yeah. Well, yeah, because he passed, yeah.

Wendy (05:09.401)
And right. And you know, we saw Heather interact with her mother many years ago when Gina first came on, when they went to that dinner in New York. And when we saw Heather's mother, it really explained to us a lot about who Heather is and why she is the way she is, right? I actually, do you remember what I'm talking about? Do you remember what I'm talking about?

Kelli (05:30.572)
Yes, yes, I remember that. Yes. Yeah, her mom was hard.

Wendy (05:37.141)
Yeah, very hard. And I really wonder like what that whole dynamic was now that she's opening up about her father, you know?

Kelli (05:39.373)
Yeah.

Kelli (05:45.592)
So she didn't say that her father had a drinking problem or anything like that, right? She didn't say that.

Wendy (05:48.305)
No, she didn't. Nope.

She just said he would have public outbursts. And who knows? could be a mental health issue. We don't know what it was. Yeah, mean, my kids would say that I do too.

Kelli (05:55.054)
Mm.

for sure. For sure.

I have public outbursts.

Kelli (06:07.65)
I definitely do, especially if I'm in a doctor's office and they make me wait more than a half hour for my appointments. I could see my kids, I could see like beads of sweat coming down my kids' foreheads like, no, please call our name, please call our name.

Wendy (06:17.153)
because they know it's coming.

Yep, yep. So she's like, I just want Tamera to know that when she acts that way, it makes me feel uncomfortable. It brings her back to a way that she felt when she was younger. And then the ladies, Heather's like, do you want to go to the Abbey and dance? So they go to the Abbey. Now they talk about the Abbey all the time on Vanderpump Rules.

Kelli (06:45.589)
yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah.

Wendy (06:46.817)
Right? So when Dana and I went to LA many years ago and we went to Sir and we went to Tom Tom, I think we were at the Abbey because we walked into a place where all these men were dancing like on the bars and stuff. I didn't know that's what it was called. Like I didn't even know what it was called. But I mean, we had a great time there. We had such a good time there. But I think, yes, yes, that is, I think where Dana and I went and

Kelli (07:10.816)
It looks like a fantastic time.

Wendy (07:16.883)
I mean, you could see that that was definitely a fun place to be.

Kelli (07:21.144)
Yeah, Emily had a really good time.

Wendy (07:22.869)
She was literally dancing on the bar. Literally dancing on the bar.

Kelli (07:27.886)
Gretchen knew her way around the pole too. What did she say? I didn't want to rewind it, it was so late when I was watching this. Did she say she's kicked two strippers off of a pole? She kicked two strippers off of a pole to get on it? And I am clearly not saying this because I'm insinuating that she was once a go-go dancer, which it doesn't even matter if she was.

Wendy (07:34.165)
Yeah.

Wendy (07:38.441)
I- yes.

Yes. Yeah.

Kelli (07:53.679)
because we know plenty of people who pole dance who were not strippers, but even if she was a stripper, God bless. If I had an ounce of rhythm in my body, it may have been something I would have pursued when I was younger, but I have no rhythm. And I've never had a body like that. I have no rhythm and I probably would have broken the damn pole right out the ceiling.

Wendy (08:00.181)
Yeah, absolutely.

Wendy (08:07.851)
Listen, if I had her body, I would have pursued it.

Mm-hmm. hear you. No, me neither. No, I mean, they look like they were having a great time. And that's...

Kelli (08:19.69)
It wasn't in the cards for me.

Kelli (08:25.41)
They had a good time. It was a fun thing to watch, finally.

Wendy (08:29.045)
That's what I like to see. I like to see them really letting loose and really having fun. I I think at one point Emily was like straddling that guy. I thought that they were both gonna go. I thought they were both gonna go down, but they didn't. Gretchen is drinking her fireball finally, because they didn't have it at the other restaurant.

Kelli (08:37.592)
She sure as hell was.

Kelli (08:43.618)
He was very strong.

you

Kelli (08:54.392)
Yeah, she's... she drank.

Wendy (08:55.879)
Emily is calling her Gretches again. I mean, that's her name for her. I did think it was a little odd that she FaceTimed Shane on the way home from there.

Kelli (09:02.241)
It is.

Kelli (09:09.708)
Were they FaceTiming her?

Wendy (09:12.217)
I thought she FaceTimed him. And I'm like, why would you do that? Like, after you've been drinking? like, I don't know. I just thought that was a little odd. And then Gretchen had said, well, we should have done karaoke. Like, do you think like we can go someplace and they'll play my song? And Heather's like, I forgot. I forgot you did a song. And she's like, no, four. I did four songs. I was like,

Kelli (09:14.677)
okay.

Kelli (09:21.662)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:37.805)
I did four.

Wendy (09:41.835)
Four songs? Okay.

Kelli (09:43.182)
Ahhhh

Wendy (09:45.437)
Emily's like, well, does Tamar know that you've had a song? She's like, well, she's not a good singer. I do know that, because she was trying to, one time she was in the studio trying to make a recording and I have a recording of it. But she said, she was there with, she says his name, but they bleep it out, which we all, yeah, Jeff Timmons, right? From 98 Degrees.

Kelli (10:06.594)
I know who it is.

Did you listen to the recording?

Wendy (10:13.385)
I didn't listen to the recording. tried to pull it up on SoundCloud. Is it? okay.

Kelli (10:15.508)
It's so bad. It's on Facebook. Somebody posted it. It's the recording of her singing, not anything else. It's, it's bad.

Wendy (10:23.219)
Yes, yes. Right.

Yeah. So that's what they wanted to hear the recording of. But then she goes on to say that, no, that she was like messing around and she forgot that the mic was on because the producer sent the recording to Slade. So she calls up Slade and you know, Slade does what Slade does. And you know, he kind of...

I don't want say embellish this, but he kind of talks more about that incident, not her singing. Not her singing.

Kelli (11:06.594)
Yeah, and Gretchen did say somebody sent it to Slade.

Wendy (11:11.274)
Right.

Kelli (11:13.166)
She did say that.

Wendy (11:14.421)
She did say that. No, she definitely said that. when, I mean, they were on, Gretchen was on Watch What Happens Live that night. And I did watch it and Slade was there. Andy asked Slade if he had the recording. And he was referring to recording of the song. And he said, well, yeah, it's out there. It's out, you know, everyone can hear it. Like it's, you know, it's out on SoundCloud. goes, but no, it was sent to me. I have the recording. It was sent to me by the producer is what he said.

Kelli (11:40.962)
Because didn't Gretchen try to backtrack at some point saying, what did she said? She heard it.

Wendy (11:50.208)
Right.

Kelli (11:52.022)
She tried to backtrack, right?

Wendy (11:54.015)
Yeah, but again, with Gretchen this season, it's all about semantics. Because when, it's all about semantics. the song was sent to Slade, not them messing around. And...

Kelli (12:00.863)
Exactly.

Kelli (12:10.956)
Right. So that was just like hearsay that that was.

Wendy (12:15.081)
Absolutely, that was hearsay because it came out on social media that Tamara is looking into, she's gonna contact her attorney. And you know what? Listen, we know because...

Kelli (12:27.33)
For what? For somebody saying that you messed around with somebody? That's not, you have to prove damages people when you sue someone. Jim Bolino was able to prove damages because she and Shannon wouldn't shut the fuck up about him and said enough damaging things about him that it affected his profession. Quite honestly, the same thing that Tamara did about Slade.

Gretchen saying that Tamra had sex with someone in a studio is not affecting her business. You have to prove damages. She's so stupid, Tamra. She's gonna contact her attorney. I get so mad. She's so, I can't stand her.

Wendy (13:08.519)
you get so passionate about this, it cracks me up. I know you get mad. You get really mad. You just went from zero to a hundred.

Kelli (13:19.864)
Because I can't take these people like, she's just, she just plays the victim. She just plays the victim. She has literally been sued for this and found guilty because she was guilty. She did affect his profession. This isn't affecting her profession. What's she gonna do, defamation? You do enough damage to yourself on TV every week, Tam.

Somebody saying you had sex with somebody in a studio is the least of your worries.

Wendy (13:55.233)
Yeah, I totally agree with you. I totally agree with you. Yeah, you really did. That was quick. That was really quick. So they get back to Heather's place and she has matching PJs for all of them with their sleep masks and everything's monogrammed with their names on it. You know, very, Heather Dubrow.

Kelli (13:58.671)
All right, sorry I got so heated. just can't stand her.

Kelli (14:05.326)
See? See how I can pop off? Imagine me in public? I try not to do that in public, but it happens sometimes.

Wendy (14:25.407)
And the back.

Kelli (14:25.548)
I liked when Gretchen said, should I take my shoes off? And Heather yells, you could do whatever you want. And I'm thinking, that's because all that stuff is getting ripped out of this room tomorrow. The rug's probably going in the garbage and everything else is probably getting donated to Goodwill. That stuff's not staying in Heather's house. She's like, I don't care if you pee the bed tonight, it's outta here tomorrow. Yeah.

Wendy (14:39.955)
Yep. No it is not.

Right. So true. It's so true. Then back into Mekula, Tamra bought them all matching t-shirts with bikinis on them and the bathing caps with the flowers. I'm sorry. I love those flower bathing caps. It brings me back to like when I was a kid. Like, did you ever have one of those? I did too.

Kelli (15:02.869)
I do too. I do too.

Kelli (15:08.076)
Yeah, no, I didn't have one, but honestly, I'd like one now because we only blow out our hair once a week. So in the summer, if you wanna go swimming, you're like, shit, does this fall in line when I'm supposed to wash my hair and blow it out? And then with one of those, you don't have to worry about it.

Wendy (15:18.044)
I know, I know.

Wendy (15:24.385)
Hmm. Well, you got, yeah. Yep. Yeah. No, no, I hear you.

Yeah, no, I'm here for that. Gina is high from Heather's joint. She's like, it's an in case of emergency joint. She saves it for special occasions. It's interesting. So she calls it Heather's joint. So I guess Heather's her supplier. Is that why she calls it Heather's joint? Right, Heather's marijuana. So Heather supplies them with it. Because mean, Tamar's the one with the

Kelli (15:36.045)
Yeah.

Kelli (15:53.294)
Heather's marijuana they called it. Heather's marijuana.

Wendy (16:02.495)
the THC line with Venus CBD and THC. Yeah, wonder where, yeah. Yeah, I wonder where she's getting it from. And yeah, exactly. So she's talking to Tamara and I felt like at that point they were both completely high and not making any sense. Right? And then she...

Kelli (16:05.398)
Yeah, but I guess Heather just gets good weed. Which I'm sure checks out.

Somebody good

Kelli (16:23.5)
No, for sure, no. Yeah. So Gene is California sober, which I subscribe to that.

Wendy (16:31.306)
Right. mean.

Kelli (16:32.75)
I don't smoke weed just because it's not my thing. I like to drink wine, but I'm a supporter of.

Wendy (16:39.721)
Mm-hmm. Shannon and Jen are talking and Jen is, she's saying she's done with fighting with Tamara. It's, you know, she just wants to have fun. Not that she's forgiving her, she's just done with it, which I can kind of get like, you know, it gets exhausting, right? Every time you see.

Kelli (16:56.238)
It gets exhausting and I have people in my life that I have had hard times with, but at some point that's the thing. You just kind of put it to the side and you keep them at arm's length, but you still are cordial and sometimes they're just a really good time when you're at a party or something. so life's short and you just have a good time. You're not going to call them the next day and tell them your deepest, darkest secrets. Like those days are over.

Wendy (17:15.72)
Right.

Yeah, I think that that's fine.

Wendy (17:23.337)
Right, exactly. You're not gonna trust him. Right. So back in Beverly Hills, Gretchen and Emily are having this pillow fight. I don't know if you picked up on this, but that was not in the same bedroom that they're supposed to be sleeping in. That was a different bedroom.

Kelli (17:26.06)
Right. Right.

Kelli (17:36.878)
Well, because they were sleeping in the living room. Those beds were set up in the living room, but Heather told them go in the room and get changed. Gretchen is very funny to watch when she's drunk, but do you think...

Wendy (17:40.713)
Right, in living room.

Wendy (17:47.261)
Okay, I must have missed that part.

Kelli (17:54.841)
Do you think that Emily and Heather went into this with a little bit of a plan, not a naked wasted plan, but a borderline wasted plan to get Gretchen drunk? Do you think maybe they had some inclination about this sound bite of Tamra's and knew if they got Gretchen to drink enough, she would talk about it? Or am I just really going off on the conspiracy theory?

Wendy (18:15.829)
I mean...

Wendy (18:23.291)
I will say that I do believe that Emily's intention was for Gretchen to be drunk because she showed up with the fireball. I mean, she brought the bottle of fireball in the car and she knew that, listen, if you've ever had fireball, you know what fireball does. I won't even go near it. I will not go near it. I do. I don't like it either. I don't like it either. And anytime in my life, I've even had so much as one shot. I'm sick. Like that's.

Kelli (18:31.618)
Yes. Yes.

Kelli (18:43.532)
I hate it. I don't like the taste of it.

Wendy (18:53.046)
That's how it affects me. Well, yeah.

Kelli (18:54.786)
This is what I'm worried about. I'm worried about at the reunion, they're gonna try to talk about naked wasted and show Tamara in a negative light about it. And then this night's gonna get brought up and it's gonna be like, well, you know, she doesn't know her limits and look at what happened at Heather's house that night. Look at how much she drank and that's what I'm thinking. And then I'm gonna get really pissed off because naked wasted was bad.

Very, very bad.

Wendy (19:25.055)
No, was, no, was totally, it was horrible. It was horrible.

Emily asks about the song again and Gretchen said that someone sent it to Slade that comes back up again. Back in Temecula, they've dubbed Shannon is the madam of the synchronized swim team. And I don't know if you recall as they're walking down the stairs, Jen is like giving synchronized movements to Shannon and they're trying to do it as they're walking. This is the stuff I like. Yeah.

Kelli (19:58.019)
Yeah, absolutely.

Wendy (20:01.525)
Gretchen's looking for her phone. Emily's still like screaming about, I need to hear the song. Then Gretchen FaceTime slayed. And he says the story goes that the two of them were trying to make a recording and they forgot the audio was still on.

So the recording is of them having sex. Emily said, right, Emily said, you said you had the audio. Gretchen said, no, I said, I said I heard the audio of her trying to sing the song in the studio. So it goes back and forth to, was it the audio of the song or the audio of

Kelli (20:25.582)
They're fooling around, yeah.

Kelli (20:32.247)
Right.

Wendy (20:49.439)
what happened when they didn't know it was recording, right? And then she asked if he heard the audio and he said, yes. And Heather said, listen, I only want to hear the audio of her singing. Like, I don't want to hear the other stuff, which I...

Kelli (21:05.614)
And here's the other thing, it's not clear when this happened, if she was married, if she was with Eddie, like, it's not clear. Like, and Slade certainly didn't say she cheated on Eddie with this guy or she cheated on Simon with this guy. they never alluded to the fact that she cheated at this point. I don't know what happens in the future.

Wendy (21:12.349)
No, it's not. No.

Wendy (21:27.016)
Right.

Wendy (21:33.279)
Right, that's true. That's true. And honestly, I think that that's where it's all the semantics with them. It's the semantics of, was it the recording of the song? Was it the recording of her messing around? When did it happen? Because Heather did say in the car, well, was she married? And Gretchen didn't answer.

Kelli (21:57.753)
She did not answer. She did not answer.

Wendy (22:00.085)
Gretchen did an answer and Heather did it. So she asked the question. We didn't get an answer from Gretchen, but we got from Heather. So, right. So you can do what you want with that, you know, it's alluding to it, right? Then Gretchen says, you guys can't go back to Tamara and tell her this because it's gonna be a problem. This is gonna cause a problem in the group. And Heather's like, well, too late.

Kelli (22:11.946)
response.

Kelli (22:29.742)
Too late is right.

Wendy (22:30.986)
Right, too late.

Kelli (22:32.546)
You did it.

Wendy (22:35.329)
so when Gina announces that she's, you know, California show sober, she offers some to Shannon and Shannon says she can't have any cause she has a cough. and then Gina says to Shannon, again, I'm worried about you. know, you, you live alone and you've had this cough for a while. said, but she, you know, she brings right 2008, right. She brings up that matches had a heart attack and you know,

Kelli (22:56.046)
2008 she's had a cough since 2008

Wendy (23:04.967)
Shannon's there by herself. Like, and Shannon does admit that she's talking to Archie. Like her and Archie are, you know, having a one-sided conversation.

Kelli (23:13.152)
And then Tamra says, my concerns are the same as Gina's concerns, meaning that it was health, her health. It was not. That's bullshit, Tamra, so shut up.

Wendy (23:19.489)
No, it wasn't. No, absolutely it was not. So then it's the next morning and we see Shannon is up, she's making breakfast, Tamara offers to help. But she's trying to talk to Tamara. Tamara's trying to talk to Shannon while Shannon's trying to cook in a kitchen she's not familiar with. And I don't think she knows the recipe because I think she's looking at that on the computer, right? Yeah, while she's doing it. obviously,

Kelli (23:43.148)
No, she was reading it from her iPad. Yeah, yeah, or laptop, whatever.

Wendy (23:49.173)
She can't be having a conversation with Tamra and I don't blame her. then Tamra, right, and Tamra gets like all bent out of shape that, you know, she's not receiving her the way she wants to be received. But meanwhile, back in Beverly Hills, they have the private chef and everything is perfect. I'm like, my God, I wanna do the private Beverly Hills. I wanna do everything they did in Beverly Hills. I do, I really do.

Kelli (23:51.106)
No.

No, me neither. I'm trying to cook here.

Kelli (24:04.013)
Right.

Kelli (24:07.917)
my god, that breakfast looked so good.

Kelli (24:16.268)
Yeah, that's my kind of sleep. Although I would take the house in Temecula too.

Wendy (24:21.504)
Yeah.

Kelli (24:22.584)
But I want the private chef. But you know what? They probably could have had a private chef and Shannon was like, I'll do it.

Wendy (24:27.785)
Right, right.

Kelli (24:30.784)
Why did they keep putting fur coats on at Heather's house?

Wendy (24:34.357)
I didn't get that. was only two of them though, right? I don't think Emily had one on, right? Just Gretchen? And I don't know, I did notice that. I was like, what is that about? Was it instead of a robe, they threw on a fur coat? I don't know. Jen asks Gina if she thinks her and Travis will get married. And Gina says she doesn't know. They have a court date in a month for Travis. He's trying to get full custody of the kids and they don't know what's gonna happen.

Kelli (24:39.948)
I don't know.

Kelli (24:45.6)
Maybe, maybe.

Wendy (25:04.392)
Listen, that's a lot. That's a lot.

Kelli (25:06.604)
I really wish we knew the full story, like, cause you know, there's his side, her side, and then the truth somewhere in the middle, right?

Wendy (25:14.561)
Mm-hmm.

Well, this is my thought on it. Because they're not her kids and Travis is only her boyfriend, I don't really think we need to know. I don't honestly, I don't think that part of the story is any of our business. And I hope that she doesn't share too much because I don't think it's fair to those kids. Like whatever's gonna happen.

Kelli (25:38.71)
No, it's definitely not fair to those kids. Because she's not their parent and she's the one who signed up for the show. I Travis is on the show, obviously, but, you know, yeah, no. I don't think we need to know, I would just like to know.

Wendy (25:44.777)
Right.

Right. Yeah.

Wendy (25:54.145)
No, no, I get that. But I kind of even wish she didn't say that because it just leads you to believe like when a father's going for full custody of the kids, it's usually because it's a bad situation with the mom, right?

Kelli (26:10.626)
Yeah, and she's saying a lot more this season than she ever has and that's not gonna be good for the situation.

Wendy (26:18.139)
No, no, it's not. It's not.

Okay, so then back in Beverly Hills, they're being served, and Emily wants to have a couple of eggs over hard. What the hell is an egg over hard?

Kelli (26:32.674)
I guess that's where like the, the yolk is fully cooked.

Wendy (26:36.671)
Okay, so that's a fried egg. That's just a fried egg.

Kelli (26:39.156)
It is a fried egg with a fully cooked, cause you could fry an egg and have it over medium, you know what I mean? Where the yolk is still a little runny. She just wants the yolk fully cooked, which.

Wendy (26:43.241)
Yo.

Yeah, ripe, then, okay. Yeah, so she just wants a regular hard fried egg. The chef says that he would never make that, but obviously, that's what she wants, that's what she'll make, he'll make. And then Terry comes in and sits down for breakfast. Terry says,

Kelli (26:58.048)
Right.

Kelli (27:10.734)
Terry's not going to miss a scene.

Wendy (27:14.183)
He would like a sleep divorce and Emily, listen, let's talk about the sleep divorce thing. I'm here for a sleep divorce to be honest with you.

Kelli (27:21.838)
Let's talk about it for sure.

Yeah, as soon as one of my kids move out, I'm moving in.

Wendy (27:29.985)
There you go. like to sleep in my bed alone. I like to sleep in my bed alone. I don't want an arm coming over and hitting me. I don't want a leg, you know, I can't even tell you, I'm not even exaggerating how many bruises I have on my shins just because his leg came flying across the bed. I bruise easily. like, ah! And that and the snoring, I mean, the snoring alone, just like, snoring is just, ugh.

Kelli (27:50.232)
So funny.

Kelli (27:55.878)
Yeah, it's just a lot.

Wendy (28:00.745)
As far as sleeping goes, I'm here for a separate sleeping area. And if we're calling that a sleep divorce, sign me up. Emily asked Gretchen if she ever thought about getting married and Gretchen said she would love to. Heather said, well, years ago we had talked about it and you had said that was a financial reason. then we, yeah, so they've been together for 16 years. And Emily asked, well,

Kelli (28:08.376)
For sure. For sure.

Kelli (28:24.13)
Sounds like it still is.

Wendy (28:29.769)
And this is also, again, I thought these were such personal questions for Emily to be asking. I mean, it was uncomfortable for me, right? Like asking her, know, well, are you financially separate now? Gretchen said, well, you know, they've always been, you know, she's always been independent. She doesn't want a man to be able to control her financially, which listen, I applaud her for that.

Kelli (28:33.942)
they were grilling her. They were grilling her.

Kelli (28:40.718)
Totally agree. Yes.

Wendy (28:59.519)
And Emily said, it's your house. She said, yeah. Well, like, what does he, like, you make the mortgage payment? She's like, yeah. He goes, well, does he pay you rent? What? And then Heather jumps in, yeah, Heather jumps in and said, well, I guess he pays for the groceries and stuff. And she's like, well, no, that comes out of my account. I'm like, God, like, why?

Kelli (28:59.662)
For sure.

Kelli (29:26.754)
I felt, I honestly felt a little bad for Gretchen because I'm sure she didn't think she was going into that conversation. But she answered all those questions. I mean, she at no point was like, you know what? I don't wanna talk about this.

Wendy (29:38.717)
And then, yeah. Well, no, at one point, no, after that she said about when she said, you know, the groceries come out of my account, she's like, I feel like this is weird questioning. And that's where it ended. Well, honestly, you should have said that a lot sooner, Gretchen, because that was totally inappropriate and none of their damn business.

Kelli (29:50.57)
Yes, yes.

Kelli (29:56.17)
Exactly.

Kelli (30:00.841)
It really wasn't any of their business because I mean, listen, Emily, I know you were an attorney before you got married, but you know, it's pretty clear that Shane's family is very wealthy and probably why you are living the lifestyle you're living. So I don't know.

Wendy (30:23.837)
And why doesn't anyone question her? Why doesn't any of her castmates question her about that? None of them do. Not a single one of them. All of us question it. Every single fan I see questioned all the time. But not a single one of her castmates...

Kelli (30:27.766)
Nobody does, it's very interesting. It's very interesting. No.

Yeah.

Kelli (30:39.744)
And you know, Heather, I mean, she has some acting accolades, but you know, I'm pretty sure Terry's.

Wendy (30:44.971)
But she is married. She is married. He is her husband. But it's not Emily's husband's money. It's his family's money. There's a difference. This isn't Terry's family's money.

Kelli (30:48.639)
Sure, I mean, so is Emily, but...

Kelli (30:54.774)
Yeah, I do think it's very interesting though. And listen, we're Christians and we don't, but Gretchen, when it's convenient, does use her Christianity.

Wendy (31:15.001)
she definitely does.

Kelli (31:16.68)
And you know, and I'm not judging her because I'm a let your flag fly kind of girl, but you're not married. You do have a daughter.

Wendy (31:28.321)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (31:29.474)
You know, I'm just saying, she uses her Christianity when she needs to, I think.

Wendy (31:37.269)
Well, initially what she had said when the season started, that, I don't know if it came up on Watch What Happens Live or not, but way back when she first got engaged, she kept saying that the wedding wasn't important to her and she was not gonna get married until everyone could get married. Like she was standing for gay marriage. Like she was standing for that, but gay marriage is legal.

Kelli (31:59.831)
Yes, I do remember that. Yeah.

Wendy (32:07.841)
Are you, you're not standing for that anymore. So if it, you know, listen, you do what you want to do.

Kelli (32:16.344)
I mean, obviously it's because of the finances and I don't blame her at all. However, I don't know about, maybe this isn't true in California, New Jersey, know, what you had prior to the relationship, who you marry is not entitled to it. any, her, you know, she does have, you know, Gretchen Rossi design, like she does have some kind of lifestyle business. So he wouldn't be entitled to, well, again, I don't know.

It might be different in California.

Wendy (32:48.513)
But wait a second, what about common law? Is there common law in California? Because they've been together 16 years. You have no idea, I think that there might be in California. Let me just see.

Kelli (32:53.604)
There's not in Jersey

Kelli (33:03.01)
Yeah, I mean then he might be entitled to half of her townhouse. Her house.

Wendy (33:09.491)
Is there common law marriage in California?

Wendy (33:15.239)
No, California does not recognize common law marriage established with

Kelli (33:19.116)
I don't think a lot of states do anymore, but I could be wrong. I know New Jersey does not.

Wendy (33:26.119)
Yeah, nope, California does not. So that would not, that would not help. But listen, there are things.

Kelli (33:32.29)
I mean, listen, unless she had him sign a prenup, there's no reason for her to get married.

Wendy (33:35.169)
That's it. I was going to say there are things like prenups, right? mean...

Kelli (33:38.38)
Yeah, and if he doesn't sign it, then don't get married. At this point, do you need to get married? You don't need to get married.

Wendy (33:42.526)
Right.

Wendy (33:46.505)
Right. So then just say that. I don't need the piece of paper. Right. Right.

Kelli (33:48.398)
Exactly, then just say it. Like, we don't feel like we need to now.

Kelli (33:55.949)
unless Bravo wants to pay for it and gives her her own spinoff special.

Wendy (34:01.931)
So Heather in her confessional after that whole grilling about what Slade pays for and what Gretchen plays, Heather in her confessional says, Gretchen and Slade's financial situation is really none of my business. No kidding. But Slade's financial situation is, but it never made any sense to me. Heather said, that's why when Gretchen proposed to Slade, we all thought it was bullshit. why are they not legally wed? Why is nothing in his name?

Why is nothing in his name?

Kelli (34:32.92)
Well, she's right. And I think Gretchen did that whole engagement to try to stay on the show personally. Because she saw what happened. Tamara falsely befriended her and then turned on her like we all knew she would to get her off the show.

Wendy (34:44.383)
Yeah.

Wendy (34:47.795)
Right. Yeah. So then after breakfast, they were all now getting chair massages. And Gretchen says, you guys got me in trouble last night. The lady said, no, you did this. Gretchen asked them again not to repeat what was said. no, it's coming out, Gretchen.

Kelli (35:05.421)
yeah. And she's saying she has nothing to do with it. She's putting it on slate.

Wendy (35:07.816)
Emily

Wendy (35:13.407)
So Emily says to Gretchen, you say Tamara is a horrible person because she's accused you of having an affair that you had to spend all this money to prove that you didn't have an affair, yet now you've just done the same thing to Tamara. She actually said that to Gretchen.

Kelli (35:29.752)
That's what I'm saying. I think that this was all planned out. I think they knew about this recording and they knew if they got Gretchen drunk enough, she would say it.

Wendy (35:41.651)
Yeah. I mean.

Kelli (35:42.71)
and I'm sure you had producers egging her on.

Wendy (35:45.715)
And then in her confessional, Emily said, Tamar and Gretchen are the same person. There's a lot of truth to that. There is a lot of truth to that.

Wendy (35:58.177)
I did think Shannon's breakfast looked very nice that she put together, right? That's when she's telling them about how she talks to Archie. Tamara then asked Shannon if she still goes to therapy and she said, yeah, multiple times a week. And listen, I believe that she's going multiple times a week. I do. And honestly, Tamara should be going multiple times a week too.

Kelli (36:02.978)
Delicious. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (36:21.655)
I do too.

Wendy (36:29.557)
Just saying.

Kelli (36:29.826)
Yeah, and Tamra should be going period because I would venture to say the only time Tamra's been to therapy are the two or three times we've seen it on camera. And other than that, she probably doesn't even know that woman's name, who she's sitting in that room.

Wendy (36:47.905)
So then Jen says to Shannon, like, what takes you from I'm upset and pissed to like derailment? And Shannon said, listen, she talks about catastrophizing in her therapy sessions. I'd never even heard that word before. Shannon said, well, I grew up. Yeah. Shannon said, I grew up with like not knowing what was going to happen. It was a bit of chaos. You know, she remembers her mom and when she was going through a divorce,

Kelli (37:01.388)
Me neither. But I think I do it.

Wendy (37:16.019)
She was in college and she came home and her mom was going to serve her father the papers. That's why she came home and for the weekend and the process server didn't get to the debt, you know, get to serve the papers before five o'clock. So they're all there knowing that he's going to get served and he doesn't. And Tamara says, Shannon, well, didn't you say your dad had a drinking problem when you were growing up? And I don't blame, I do not blame Shannon. First of all, Shannon's

Kelli (37:44.002)
So over the line.

Wendy (37:45.966)
So out of line, so out of line.

Shannon says,

Kelli (37:51.714)
because you know what Tamra's doing. She's trying to establish that it runs in the family.

Wendy (37:59.509)
That's right, that's right. And Shannon's dad is 96 years old and he just celebrated his birthday and she has a relationship with her dad and you're going to bring this up on camera. He is still alive and well and in her life and her children's lives. You are a selfish biatch.

Kelli (38:19.31)
Seriously, Tamra can fuck all the way off after after doing this This is not making you a good housewife Tamra makes you look like a complete asshole

Wendy (38:23.541)
Like that?

No, no.

No, I totally agree. And honestly, as far as lawsuits go, I mean, you have got to be kidding me. Seriously? know, Shannon said, get it, you're trying to be helpful, but my dad is 96 years old and he's a different man. I don't want to hurt my father. Tamara says, I don't want to hurt your father, Shannon. Well, then why are you saying things like that?

Kelli (38:38.646)
Yep. Yep.

Kelli (39:00.6)
But you just did.

Wendy (39:01.961)
Right, right. And in her confessional, Shannon says, listen, I had these private conversations with Tamara off camera, like never in my wildest dreams did I ever think that she would like weaponize this and bring it out on camera. I don't blame her. That is not what a friend does. A friend would never do that.

Kelli (39:17.538)
Right. No, I don't blame her either.

Kelli (39:24.256)
No. And then Gina tries to defend Tamara and thank God, Jen calls bullshit. Like Gina's like, I don't think that she had bad intentions and Jen's like, yes, yes she did. And that's when Tamara goes in the house and says, have another glass of champagne, Shannon. She's an asshole. Meanwhile, she's the nasty drunk in the group with her eyes slid open.

Wendy (39:29.427)
Yeah!

Wendy (39:41.867)
Yep.

Yep. Yep.

Wendy (39:49.153)
Right, she is. Yep. And she's still maintaining, I was just trying to help you, Shannon, you know? I was just trying to point out, like I understood that you had struggles growing up. Shannon said, Tamara, I went to a trauma facility where I was in deep therapy for eight hours a day, so I'm well aware. I don't need you, who goes once a week, only on camera, to tell me, like, to tell me about the trauma that I have.

Kelli (40:13.154)
Yeah.

Wendy (40:19.603)
And that's, yeah, it was so disgusting.

Kelli (40:21.538)
Yeah, like Shannon's like, don't try to tell me how therapy works. Like, that's a joke.

Wendy (40:26.805)
Yeah, yeah. And the fact that she got up and stormed out and made it about her in that moment, again, just is like, you have got to be kidding me. It was not about you.

Kelli (40:34.478)
Yeah, always. Victimizing yourself. I'm a victim. I'm damned if I do, I'm damned if I don't. No, you're damned if you do, because you always do, and it's always doing the wrong thing.

Wendy (40:48.489)
Right, right. I mean, Jean is like, well, what are we getting?

Kelli (40:51.766)
And then Jen goes in and asks her if that was a dig. What do you think she's going to say, Jen?

Wendy (40:57.449)
I know. I know.

Kelli (40:58.54)
And of course it was a dig.

Wendy (41:02.175)
If, yeah, I know Jen was trying to help, but listen, she just, can't send a kitten after Barracuda. Like you just can't do it. Like, you know what I mean? Like Jen wasn't the person to do that. And even Gina's like.

Kelli (41:10.786)
No, No, Shannon should have went in there and been like, but Shannon was smart to not do that. And she said, I'm setting boundaries and this is what I need to do. And then she said her therapist told her not to go and she should have listened to her. And yes, she should have.

Wendy (41:19.445)
No.

Wendy (41:25.311)
Right, and which is what she said, which is what she said when Gina and Jen tried to talk her into going. She said, my therapist said I shouldn't go. They're like, well, go for us. She's right. She needs to keep her boundaries. And she shouldn't have gone. Her therapist was right.

Wendy (41:48.875)
So then Gina, after that happened, she's like in the kitchen and she like collapses on the floor. Like, I was like, that was a bit much. But she did, you know, have a good point. She's like, these women are literally 61 and 57 years old and they're acting like they're in middle school. you know, she said it should be studied by therapists, which that I do agree. It definitely should be studied by therapists. I don't either. I don't either. think Shannon, I think Shannon is setting her boundaries.

Kelli (42:10.414)
Yeah, but I don't think Shannon's acting like she's in middle school. Shannon's defending herself.

Yeah.

Wendy (42:18.685)
and shutting her down. And I think she started doing that as soon as she got her DUI, when she would get up and walk away from a situation instead of freaking out. Because I can remember Shannon, like first season when she had that meltdown with Heather when they were on the beach at what's her name's house and she stormed out of the house and Heather's like, do we need to Liz? Yes. I think, yeah.

Kelli (42:41.026)
Lizzie's and Heather went over to Terry and said, I think she's having a psychotic break. Shut up, Heather. You're a C-list actress. You have no background to make that judgment. And by the way, now there does your plastic surgeon husband.

Wendy (42:47.283)
Right, right, right.

Right.

Wendy (42:57.557)
Right, and that's who Shannon was, right? That's who Shannon was. Shannon has come so far on this show. Shannon has shown...

Kelli (43:05.646)
And look at what her breakdown was over, because Tamra told her that the Debreaux said we're gonna take down the Boudoirs, which is a ridiculous thing anyway, because obviously it's not something that Terry and Heather would say, so Tamra was lying.

Wendy (43:21.611)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (43:23.042)
That's what that was all about.

Wendy (43:25.653)
Yeah. But I.

Kelli (43:26.85)
But you're right, she used to react very differently and so she is going to therapy and it is working for her.

Wendy (43:34.505)
And this is what I would like to see at the reunion. I would like them to see, I would like the producers to pull up Shannon Pre-Therapy and Shannon Today. I would like the producers to pull up Tamara in the beginning, before therapy and Tamara today. And they're going to see the exact same thing. They're gonna see the exact same thing.

Kelli (43:46.444)
The progression.

Kelli (43:51.352)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (43:57.602)
Great idea. I hope they listen to this and I hope they do that. Yep.

Wendy (44:00.883)
Yeah, like this is bullshit. It's absolutely bullshit. And Tamar still thinks she's a great housewife.

Kelli (44:09.506)
She thinks that this is, she's moving story along. You know, she's stirring the pot. I don't cook, but I do stir the pot or whatever her trucker hat said. Yeah.

Wendy (44:18.663)
her hat said. Yeah.

It's just, it's honestly, it's deplorable. It really is. Not a fan, not a fan either.

Kelli (44:26.252)
Not a fan, not a fan.

Wendy (44:31.457)
So I don't have anything else on OC. I think we can close this one out. So thank you for watching and listening. Please give us five star reviews and subscribe. Bye.

Kelli (44:33.921)
I do not either.

Alright.

Kelli (44:42.936)
Bye.