Wife Swap-Low-Demand Meets High-Pressure

Wendy (00:01.166)
Welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.299)
I'm Kelly.

Lori (00:05.369)
And I'm Lori.

Wendy (00:07.522)
We are talking about Wife Swap Season 1, Episode 4, the final episode. All is fair in love and war. Good title.

Lori (00:18.054)
you

Kelli (00:18.146)
I hate merits

Wendy (00:19.308)
We start out in Potomac. I know they smell.

Kelli (00:24.126)
And they're so like, I don't know, we'll get there.

Lori (00:28.164)
Well, Wendy, Wendy said it's slinky. They're slinky.

Wendy (00:28.589)
Slinky.

Kelli (00:31.008)
Yeah, exactly. That's exactly it. Freaky.

Lori (00:33.91)
very slinky

Wendy (00:34.99)
Mm-hmm. We start out in Potomac, Maryland and we meet Wendy Osefo and her husband Eddie. They have three children, Carter who's 12, Cruz who's 10, and Cameron is five. And all of their names start with a K. They spelled them all with a K, like a Kardashian.

Kelli (00:53.922)
That's right. Yeah, they're very sweet, her kids.

Lori (00:54.224)
Very, very cute kids, very cute.

Wendy (00:57.004)
Yes, they are a cute kid. Yeah. She wakes up the kids at 6.30 a.m. for school, which is normal. I mean, our kids get up early. Well, they used to. They used to get up early for school. That's what time you gotta get up.

Kelli (01:07.862)
Yeah, I mean, she's waking up at five, but whatever, you do what you gotta do. If that's what she's gotta do to get herself ready to then start their day, that's it. But God bless, because I don't wanna wake up at five.

Lori (01:09.222)
me see it in.

Wendy (01:11.938)
Right.

Right, she wants to have her time.

Lori (01:19.536)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (01:20.172)
Right.

Wendy (01:24.458)
In the Nigerian culture, it's very important for the kids, their education. So she's pretty strict with them about their homework and everything actually around the house. They talked to the kids and the kids said that they don't like mom's rules, but they obey them because they have to because Wendy runs a tight ship.

Kelli (01:44.534)
Yeah, it was interesting to hear that she was a latchkey kid that she said she was a latchkey kid when she was growing up, right? I don't think we ever knew that about her.

Wendy (01:52.942)
We didn't, because we have met her mom before. I mean, we see her mom in this episode, but her mom is very militant. And she, you know, she, she always comes across that way. But to say to treat another woman like the way she treated her, I know I'm jumping, is kind of crazy. But she told, she always talked down to her daughter too. I mean, her own daughter was afraid to tell her. Yeah. No, I'm not, I'm not jumping.

Kelli (01:58.083)
You sure do.

Lori (02:12.164)
Wendy, you jumping? What's going on? What's going on?

Kelli (02:19.522)
Well, you said how she was, how Wendy's mom was talking to the other wife.

Lori (02:24.602)
You just said I'm jumping ahead and I said, when do you jumping? Okay.

Wendy (02:27.862)
I'm like, what are you talking about jumping? I'm sitting still. Listen, I told you ladies, I didn't tell the audience, but now they're going to know. took Benadryl before this because my nose was running like crazy. So not only does it make me tired, not only does it make me tired because I don't, it makes me loopy. Like I'll be loopy. I'll be loopy tomorrow too from the Benadrylite tonight.

Kelli (02:44.95)
So this is gonna be a really good episode.

Lori (02:47.555)
It's sleeping.

Lori (02:52.286)
I like it. Okay.

Kelli (02:55.586)
Yeah. Yeah, that affects me like that too.

Lori (02:56.627)
from the Benadryl? that sucks.

Wendy (02:58.272)
Yeah, it's just like my brain doesn't, it doesn't fire right when I take it.

Lori (03:03.066)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (03:03.948)
Yeah, yeah. I loved when Wendy said the worst case scenario is that she swaps with someone with no rules. Well, buckle up, Wendy. Buckle up. I do think they did a great job matching the housewives with the other wives, even though I think that Cali from Jersey was full of shit.

Wendy (03:10.838)
Yep. Yep.

Lori (03:11.223)
of course. Of course that's what they put her with.

Lori (03:21.774)
Yeah, yeah. So this is my first time meeting Wendy Osefo because I don't watch that show. So all I knew about her was her impending legal troubles, but I didn't know her. So this is my first time, you know, having any interaction here.

Wendy (03:23.222)
I think they did good job too.

Kelli (03:26.91)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Wendy (03:39.584)
What was your impression?

Lori (03:48.676)
Well, it's hard because my impression is tainted with what she's being accused of. So, you know, what I've learned about her, I've learned quickly from social media. she has, she's, I guess she's very well educated.

Kelli (03:55.618)
Mmm.

Kelli (04:09.004)
four degrees.

Wendy (04:09.8)
degrees.

Lori (04:10.886)
Okay. But that doesn't always make you smart. Let's just say that. And she does seem very controlling. mean, she called her husband support staff, so.

Kelli (04:26.122)
I think he called himself support staff, didn't he? Yeah, he called himself support staff.

Lori (04:27.854)
Or he called himself support staff. Yeah. Right. Right. Right.

Wendy (04:29.654)
Yes, he did. He did. He actually even said, Wendy's rules for me are to follow Wendy's rules. he gives himself, he's... Yeah.

Kelli (04:39.836)
How do you get a husband like that? I do not have that.

Lori (04:46.81)
I don't know that I'd want that, quite frankly. It's just not, I don't know. I don't know, she seemed all right.

Kelli (04:48.322)
I don't think I'd like it, be honest with you, I don't think I'd like

Wendy (04:50.552)
Yeah.

Kelli (04:56.342)
We've always liked Wendy, right? Like, we're fans of Wendy.

Wendy (04:59.574)
Yes, yes we have.

Lori (05:00.494)
I'll just say, I'll just say this. It's, it does seem with the facts that have been presented in regards to her case that, you know, I know it's innocent until proven guilty, but you certainly look at the facts of a case and make an assumption based on those facts. It does seem like they're guilty, which after watching the show, I thought was an absolute shame because

They have a lovely family. They have a lovely home. She has a career. She's highly educated. It just seems a real shame to kind of do a big flush on all that with something that you Right, right, but you can't, there are certain things that...

Kelli (05:42.998)
Well, it's all alleged. So let's hope, you know.

Lori (05:52.176)
There's certain, that's what I said. Right, there are certain things that are facts in the case that it doesn't, you can't explain away, so.

Wendy (05:52.312)
You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.

Kelli (05:57.953)
Yeah.

Wendy (06:04.534)
Yeah, I agree, it's a shame. Although I will say, Kelly, I think the first season she came on, I really wasn't that fond of her, but it does take a good season to really get to know a housewife. And she came on a little strong, but that's who she is. you know, now, yeah, now we know. Next we meet the other family. They live in Naples, Florida. That's where my mom and sister live. And that is Alethea.

Kelli (06:14.434)
That's true. That is true.

Kelli (06:19.393)
That's who she is.

Yep. Yep.

Wendy (06:34.062)
and Craig Shapiro. They were college sweethearts and they have four children. Haley's 19, Dylan is 16, Shane is 12, and Skyler is 10.

Alethea's philosophy on parenting is low demand parenting. So she likes to empower her children to be independent. They can pack their own lunch. She doesn't like helicopter parenting. She doesn't like to be the dictator to her children. They don't have a bedtime. They play basketball inside. And it is completely chaotic there in Naples, Florida.

Lori (07:11.3)
Yeah, she said she considers structure dictatorship. Okay.

Wendy (07:15.82)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (07:16.226)
tell you what though, those boys, they showed them playing basketball at 1 a.m. and then they also showed him the next morning at 6 30, packing his own lunch.

Lori (07:24.25)
getting up by themselves with no one in there, like poking and prodding and screaming, right? Yeah.

Kelli (07:28.224)
That's not happening here.

Wendy (07:31.084)
Right. I thought the same thing. I thought the exact same thing. And she said that, you know, they used to live in New York and there they lived an over-scheduled life. She would run from, you know, she had play dates booked out eight weeks in advance and run from activity to activity and she burnt out. It was suffocating ultimately. So when they moved to Florida, that may even be why they moved to Florida is so that she could, you know, remove herself from

Kelli (07:55.746)
Right.

Wendy (07:59.65)
you know, a very chaotic life. And she did it.

Lori (08:05.84)
So going on over there in Florida, they got two ferrets, a chinchilla, several ducks, and five cats. Now, I am a pet person. I have two cats and a dog that's full. That's full up. That goings on between this chick and the chick from last week with the what's up with the animal fetish thing. my, what are you people doing? An animal, I'd say...

Wendy (08:17.603)
Yes.

Kelli (08:17.676)
So long.

Kelli (08:29.591)
Yeah.

Lori (08:34.5)
Two animals can equal like one child with maintenance, work, money, time. So what are you doing? What are you doing, It's a lot.

Kelli (08:42.988)
now.

It's a lot, man, it's a lot. Aletha's one son says that he wishes his mom cooked dinner more and the other son says he wishes she weren't lazy.

Wendy (08:46.936)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (08:58.786)
That was hard to hear.

Kelli (08:59.712)
Like, whoa.

Lori (09:01.496)
Mmm.

Kelli (09:03.436)
Dang.

Lori (09:04.518)
And the daughter kind of looked scared when the mom left, when she said goodbye. was very, or Letha's daughter, was very interesting. She looked a little, she looked frightened. So, and that's interesting because, you know, if the dad's really in charge, why are you looking scared when the mom's leaving? I don't know. It just struck me as, something about it just struck me. And I don't know why.

Kelli (09:09.44)
Wendy's daughter or Aletha's daughter?

Wendy (09:29.122)
really think that dad's in charge. I think the dad's just hanging out in the laundry room working. I don't think he's given any guidance or direction. I think he's just the driver when they need to go someplace.

Lori (09:39.481)
Maybe, maybe.

Kelli (09:41.098)
I mean, obviously even the older daughter said that a lot of the responsibility falls on her when she comes home from school. So that's probably why Dylan, right? You're talking about Dylan, the one who lives there still. Yeah, she's probably like, shit.

Wendy (09:53.614)
The 16 year old, yeah.

Lori (09:54.852)
Yes, yes.

Right

Kelli (09:59.906)
You

Wendy (10:01.038)
So when Wendy finds out she's going to Florida, Eddie lets her know that they have crocodiles in Florida, and then Wendy screams out, no, swamp people. I mean, did she really think there was gonna be swamp people? I mean, even when she was driving there, she mentioned it.

Lori (10:14.17)
I know. thought swan people lived in like Louisiana.

Kelli (10:19.764)
I think, I think so. mean, is there such a thing, is there really a thing?

Lori (10:21.293)
wow.

Yes, Swamp People, yes. There's a whole show called Swamp People, but they're from Louisiana. You don't watch it? I don't watch it either, I just know about it.

Kelli (10:26.548)
Okay. that might be the one reality show I don't watch.

Wendy (10:29.272)
You

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Kelli (10:37.097)
Hmm

Lori (10:38.254)
And I love how when Wendy got to their house in Florida, she said, it's a makeshift Dave Impostors.

Kelli (10:46.178)
Yeah, because of the go the gaming stuff around yeah, yeah, yeah no furniture

Wendy (10:46.218)
Yes!

Lori (10:48.575)
The game is funny.

Wendy (10:50.006)
Yeah, and there was no furniture. She's like, there's no furniture, but there's basketball nets. My kids would have loved that, to have basketball in the house. They would be in their glory.

Kelli (10:55.105)
Yeah.

Hell yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, for sure.

I love when Wendy opened the door to the laundry room and Greg's office was set up and he's like, this is great. I could do my job and do the laundry. And I thought, that's what my husband does. his desk is downstairs where the laundry is.

Wendy (11:06.219)
And when,

Lori (11:12.112)
sitting in there, she was like,

Wendy (11:12.598)
I know.

Lori (11:18.726)
Yeah, because this office is downstairs. Uh-huh. So she was way over the... Yeah, do you see that? Too awesome. has two tires. Yeah. They had a set up there. So Wendy was way over the top about cats. I mean, she has dogs. Like, what do you got to act like you've just...

Wendy (11:19.854)
Exactly.

It, they had two washing machines and two dryers. was like, wow.

Kelli (11:27.169)
Yeah.

Kelli (11:31.105)
Yeah.

Wendy (11:31.618)
Yeah.

Kelli (11:37.804)
Yeah, but not everybody's a cat person and cats can be very nasty. You know, I wasn't that surprised at her reaction. I'm not a cat person. Your cats don't bother me at all. But sometimes cats can be nasty, so you don't know. And if there's a lot of them, it's like they're ganging up on you.

Lori (11:53.85)
I get, I don't know. I was just like.

Lori (11:59.366)
It's not a leopard. It's a cat. I don't know I guess cuz I'm a cat person

Wendy (11:59.507)
Ha ha ha!

Kelli (12:01.25)
Listen, could be a sneak attack, you never know.

Wendy (12:08.14)
I'm with Kelly. don't want to see cats jumping around either and popping up when you didn't expect them. They sneak up on you. You can't hear them. No, I, nope. They are sneaky.

Kelli (12:12.341)
Uh-uh.

They're very sneaky.

Lori (12:17.972)
You think there's some-

Kelli (12:20.928)
Not your cats though. Your cats are very sweet.

Lori (12:24.294)
Thank you.

Wendy (12:24.686)
Hahaha!

Wendy realizes when she gets there that there's four cats and she's going from room to room to try and figure out like what's going on. And you know she finds such a chilla named Adam, right? And Breck is the ferret. The ferret was running on the wheel. Do you think that when she walked in that room that ferret was really running on that wheel?

Lori (12:48.954)
They do do that. And those wheels like that, cats like to run on those too.

Wendy (12:51.245)
Okay.

Kelli (12:56.81)
Are ferrets nocturnal?

Lori (12:59.684)
I don't think so. I don't know much about ferrets, but I don't think so.

Wendy (13:07.968)
And then she finds her room because it says, And she sees the rules on the bed and she said, okay, she didn't want to use the computer. And I thought that was so funny because we talked about that, how some people hand wrote their notes and some people type them.

Kelli (13:21.281)
Yeah.

Lori (13:26.338)
Now, I don't know, it just kind of stuck me as a little ew was Wendy's letter. Like she felt the need to like put a picture on there.

Kelli (13:37.775)
was like clip art.

Lori (13:39.11)
Yeah, I was like, you doing? I don't know.

Wendy (13:39.864)
Yeah.

She also named her house too, Casa de Ocefo. Why did she have to name her house?

Kelli (13:46.968)
god.

Lori (13:47.008)
Lord, stop it. Stop, yeah. She didn't need that and she didn't need the picture on the rules. I was just like, where you going?

Kelli (13:55.094)
A sidebar that reminds me, did you see that Shemeah Morton's house? They're gonna, they're like claiming bankruptcy from Atlanta. I don't know, but speaking of naming your houses, I forget what hers was called, but something Morton.

Wendy (14:06.07)
Is that true though? Is it true?

Wendy (14:13.784)
Was it like the mansion or the manor or something?

Kelli (14:17.076)
Yeah, maybe Morton Manor. Yeah, we're gonna follow that storyline.

Wendy (14:19.67)
something like that.

Yeah, because supposedly the husband is being investigated. But I don't know. I don't know if it's true or not. I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it on any reputable sources. So we'll have to wait and see. So Alethea reads Wendy's rules. There's a clear schedule in this house, and it must be adhered to.

Kelli (14:27.842)
Exactly. I know it's all alleged. It's all alleged.

Kelli (14:34.379)
Okay.

Wendy (14:47.266)
That means you, my dear friend, must be awake no later than 530 a.m. I thought that was a little aggressive.

Lori (14:54.072)
It was a little aggressive. It was a little aggressive. was, it was a little, I mean, I probably would have read it and be like, okay. Fuck you too.

Wendy (14:59.286)
Yeah.

Kelli (15:04.012)
Right. Right.

Wendy (15:07.561)
The kids need to be ready for school by 7 15 the house needs to be vacuumed and organized by 10 begin dinner by one kids eat at seven Next whatever everyone to bed by nine. Oh 8 45 prayers everyone to bed by nine I was like that is a very scheduled day

Kelli (15:28.16)
especially because how old's her oldest?

Wendy (15:31.374)
12.

Kelli (15:32.502)
You're making a 12 year old go to bed at 9 o'clock? Well, 12? No. I'm sorry, my 12 year olds were not going to bed at 9 o'clock.

Wendy (15:40.16)
No. I mean, the five-year-old, yeah. The five-year-old.

Kelli (15:41.42)
That's a little crazy. Yeah, the five year old for sure. That's early.

Wendy (15:49.824)
And when she reads it, she's like, you know, her rules are like five minutes apart. Like those are like the rules I left back in New York, you know? And it was just a little militant.

Kelli (15:57.516)
Yeah.

Lori (16:00.144)
Yeah, it is a little.

Wendy (16:02.622)
So Wendy reads her rules and hers start out, dear new mom, which I thought was nice. Our animals are a big part of our family, so please treat them like your fur babies. In this house, we don't sweat the small stuff. And while she's reading that, the dog comes up Aspen and she starts screaming like, who are you? Now that dog looked like just one of her dogs. why would, it was, I was surprised that she was so startled by a dog. It looked like one of her dogs.

Kelli (16:07.97)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (16:22.01)
Yeah, I was like, what are you doing?

Kelli (16:23.02)
Yeah.

Kelli (16:27.018)
Right. Right.

Lori (16:28.998)
And not only that, you know, she left a really nice basket on the bed for Wendy. Did you catch that?

Kelli (16:34.422)
Yes.

Wendy (16:34.882)
Yes.

Lori (16:36.228)
So meanwhile, Wendy's like giving her sass in her letter and this one's leaving her a nice basket.

Kelli (16:39.735)
Yeah.

Yes.

Wendy (16:43.276)
Yeah, yes. And she likes dogs. She says, like dogs. And then she, you know, she's talking to the dog, like, what's your name? Like, I'm the new mom. But her first reaction was a little, I thought jarring.

Kelli (16:51.339)
Bye.

Lori (16:55.206)
She's a little dramatic. can be over the top dramatic. That's what I took from her too. Especially with the animals and the screaming and the woo. I was like, girl, you need to.

Kelli (17:00.833)
Yeah on this it comes across

Wendy (17:01.345)
Yeah.

Kelli (17:06.388)
It comes across way more on this than it does on Brahaso as a Potomac. I think.

Lori (17:10.63)
Okay.

Wendy (17:11.296)
I agree. In this house, we don't have a lot of rules. Yeah. We don't have a lot of rules. That means chores, bedtime, homework. We moved from New York to Florida four years ago to embrace a no stress lifestyle. Listen, I think there's something to be said by this. You I don't think that that's such a bad thing. I think that if I could move to Florida and

Lori (17:14.03)
Maybe this is more the real her.

Kelli (17:17.025)
Maybe.

Kelli (17:34.004)
I totally agree.

Wendy (17:39.17)
be a little bit less stressed. I may consider it too, to be quite honest with you.

Lori (17:42.338)
Mm-hmm. Absolutely.

Kelli (17:42.75)
Absolutely.

Wendy (17:45.176)
So she's walking around looking at the rooms and then she finds the laundry room and that's where she finds Craig who's just sitting there quietly doing his work. Wendy pointed out that the washer and dryers have more space than he does and she's right. They do.

Kelli (17:54.05)
So funny.

Lori (18:01.21)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (18:01.57)
Cheers.

Wendy (18:05.216)
He's a financial advisor, so I guess he works right from there.

Wendy (18:13.546)
Wendy said, like, what does the mom do, like, during the day? Because, you know, she's just, he's like, well, she goes to her room and she goes crocheting and she likes to play with the animals. Wendy was like, okay.

Lori (18:25.926)
Yeah. Did you see his face when he's, when she was asking him about, um, Oh, this is your office. And he was like, it works for me. he was like, it did not look like it was work. Yeah. It did not look like it was working for him. His face he made had like all kinds of like facial ticks in it and shit. I was like, no, it's not working for you. Yeah.

Kelli (18:35.842)
Yeah.

Wendy (18:36.944)
I didn't catch that.

Kelli (18:45.797)
No, not working for you, buddy.

Wendy (18:47.299)
that's funny. I didn't catch that.

Kelli (18:49.866)
I like that they had to like dress like each other, because I don't think we saw that on the other shows, but like Aletha had to put on like a suit and Wendy had to put like on a tracksuit. Yeah, I thought that was cool.

Lori (18:54.167)
No, no, no.

Lori (19:00.794)
I love that, yeah.

Wendy (19:01.356)
And I didn't like that. I thought, I did not like that. I didn't like that she made her get dressed to vacuum and cook. She had a vacuum and heels.

Lori (19:04.518)
You didn't like that?

Kelli (19:09.76)
Well, I guess because Wendy would have been dressed from work.

Lori (19:10.0)
Here,

Lori (19:15.514)
But on the other hand, know, Aletha, I mean Wendy, she had to get into a sweatsuit as opposed to being in her heels and dress.

Wendy (19:25.87)
know that they both did that. I just thought that that was a little odd to me because if you're used to...

Kelli (19:32.14)
Well, I could tell you this, when I get home from work, and I wear jeans to work, people, but when I get home from work, the first thing I do is put on sweats and a t-shirt or leggings and a t-shirt and a hoodie. Like, I put comfortable clothes on and then I go cook and clean and do laundry. Yeah, I'm not doing that shit in work clothes. And again, my work clothes are jeans. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Lori (19:41.221)
yeah, most definitely, most definitely.

Yeah, you gotta get that. You gotta get the house had clothes on. It's very important.

Wendy (19:53.506)
Well, that's exactly my point. No, but that's exactly my point. Like who wants to vacuum and cook in a soup?

Kelli (20:00.338)
Yeah, no, I agree with you. guess that's just what Wendy does or does she?

Lori (20:01.316)
Or heels, yeah, no.

Wendy (20:04.398)
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. does she? Right?

Lori (20:04.783)
or dash.

Right, we're touching, yeah.

Kelli (20:08.448)
Right. Yeah.

Kelli (20:13.546)
Susan gets there.

Wendy (20:13.784)
So Wendy meets Dylan, Shane, and Skyler, and Craig tells Wendy that the morning routine with the kids, that's his routine, so she doesn't have to worry about that. And she's like, OK. And then Alethe is explaining to Ed what low-demand parenting is. He says, so basically, you let them do whatever they want to. And she's like, yeah, kind of. That's actually what I do. They do whatever they want.

Wendy said, what else can I do today to be your mom to the kids? And the kids tell her she likes to cuddle with the animals. that's when they tell her her clothes are a little more comfortable than hers. And Wendy goes and puts on the sweats, which by the way, those sweats did look very comfy.

Kelli (20:55.426)
They were super cute.

Lori (20:56.902)
They were cute.

Wendy (20:57.57)
Yeah.

So she's dressed back in Potomac in her suit while she's doing stuff and her oldest son, what's the oldest one's name? Kurt? Carter, Carter. Carter and Cruz, Carter's the oldest. So Carter and Cruz, they come home and Wendy's mom is there also, Susan.

Kelli (21:13.698)
Carter or Cruz.

Lori (21:13.924)
hell if I know.

Lori (21:26.128)
She's a piece of work, man.

Wendy (21:28.048)
She is a tough nut to crack.

Lori (21:29.894)
She is a piece of work. I thought she was a little rude. I thought she was a little rude.

Kelli (21:33.036)
She was borderline rude to this woman though. She was rude. She's like that, I mean we've seen her be hard on Wendy, but that's your daughter.

Wendy (21:36.856)
She was rude. Yeah.

Wendy (21:43.073)
Exactly.

Lori (21:44.368)
All right.

Kelli (21:44.544)
This woman is just doing this to be on a show. Don't be a bitch.

Lori (21:48.775)
And I didn't feel like, yeah, I didn't feel like she was disrespectful to her in any way. The Aletha to the mom. I mean, she was like, okay, know, show me what to do. Can I help? Am I doing this right? Yeah. But I mean, I would, I would not have been a nice, I would have been like, you know what? You need to step back. Yeah. Get her out. Did you see the?

Kelli (21:54.492)
Not at all.

Kelli (21:58.698)
No, I thought she was very gracious about it.

Wendy (22:02.008)
Yeah.

Kelli (22:03.234)
She was rude, Susan.

Kelli (22:08.918)
Yeah, or to the producers like, get her out of here. I don't need to put up with this and listen to this. You're basically telling me that I'm a bad person because I don't cook.

Lori (22:17.894)
Right. Did you see the kid's face though when the grandmother was talking? They were like, they were afraid of her. And you know what? That's not the grandma I want to be. I mean, yeah, if I need you to be afraid of me, then you should be. But basically that's, I would never want to be that kind of girl. I was just like, whoa, whoa, you're a little too much girl. She was little rude. She was rude.

Kelli (22:22.366)
I did not notice that. Mortified?

Wendy (22:24.12)
They're afraid of Grandma.

Kelli (22:29.644)
Uh-huh.

Kelli (22:40.322)
She was rude. She was rude.

Wendy (22:42.754)
She was rude. She was rude. So they were making okra soup. they... She first had her cleaning the okra and she's like, am I doing this right? She's like, no, you're not doing it right. Okay, well then show her how to do it right. I'll be honest with you. I've never cleaned okra. I would have done the same thing. You put it in a colander and you rinse it off. I don't know what you do. What do you do? How the hell do I know?

Lori (22:53.56)
Right, instead of being nasty. I don't... Me neither.

Kelli (22:53.718)
Right.

Lori (23:01.222)
Yeah, what do do?

Kelli (23:01.76)
Yeah, me neither. Me neither. She says,

Wendy (23:04.748)
Okay, you guys don't cook and you don't know. I mean, you guys do cook and you don't know. So imagine somebody like me. Right.

Lori (23:08.486)
No, we don't. I don't cook okra. I don't even know. I've never made anything with it. No, I don't like I've I've had it. I don't like it. Why? Because she don't know how to. OK, so she don't know how to cook. Oh, she don't do okra. So she's an asshole. What? What is that? I guess I'm an asshole, too, because I don't know how to do anything with okra. Nor do I have any desire because it's usually slimy and I don't like it. Oh, it's not that.

Kelli (23:10.516)
No, I never did. It looked delicious though, I would like to, but I wouldn't know how to clean it. But she asks her what kind of person she is.

Wendy (23:18.648)
Yeah.

Kelli (23:23.902)
Exactly. That was so strange. Me too.

Wendy (23:30.764)
Me too.

Kelli (23:33.95)
I didn't know that, then I don't want to either.

Wendy (23:37.068)
Well, my husband and my son love fried okra from Cracker Barrel. That's like one of their favorites, yeah. Susan asks her if she needs help at home cooking with her kids and she's like, well, my mom comes over and cooks with the kids, which I thought was nice. I guess her mom, maybe that's why she moved down to Naples. Her mother must be down there, she must be close to her mom.

Lori (23:53.958)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (23:54.081)
Yeah.

Lori (23:58.459)
Must be down there. Yeah.

Kelli (23:59.586)
So somebody's parents did wind up having dinner with them, but I thought I must have been typing. It was her parents. Okay. Okay.

Wendy (24:03.052)
It was her parents.

Lori (24:03.396)
That was her parents. That was her parents. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (24:06.316)
Yeah, it was her parents.

Yeah, because Wendy's mom, Susan, said you just stay in bed. And what kind of person are you? And she rolls her eyes. That eye roll was wicked.

Kelli (24:23.106)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, she was not nice at all. She was not welcoming. She was no Donna Marco, I'll tell you that.

Lori (24:23.182)
Yeah, yeah, she was she was definitely rude man.

Wendy (24:27.416)
She said, she said I don't.

No, she wasn't. She said, I don't need to cook to be a good mother. She said, the best reflection of my parenting style is I always get glowing reviews about my children. They really do well in school, even though I don't make them do homework.

So Susan says, so you're against homework? She didn't say she was against homework, but she said, yeah. Susan said, my lord, you're taking credit for your kids coming out, right? They have no choice but to work hard. No.

Kelli (25:02.892)
Says you, Susan.

Lori (25:04.358)
This is you, yeah. Okay.

Kelli (25:06.678)
They do have the choice and some choose not to.

Wendy (25:10.562)
Right, right.

Kelli (25:12.524)
She was, she, and then she said, are you kind of lazy? Well, I mean, her one son did kind of call her that, but I don't know. just, I didn't like that exchange at all.

Wendy (25:17.528)
She said you're kind of, yeah, she said you are. You're kind of lazy.

Lori (25:22.982)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (25:28.548)
Yeah. So my take is this. You know, she says, and the daughter says she was a type A when she was in New York raising her daughters. Did everything. I think she, in New York, I think she strived, I think her husband did very well financially. I think New York can be a very competitive area.

Wendy (25:29.943)
I didn't either.

Kelli (25:40.608)
Alita, yeah.

Lori (25:58.255)
I think she got very caught up in being the perfect wife, the perfect mother, all the scheduling. And to me, it was very telling when she says how she explained her, like how she started doing crafting when she started to heal from burnout. I think she might've had a nervous breakdown. That's what it seems like to me that she, you know,

Wendy (26:18.03)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (26:20.492)
sounds like it.

Wendy (26:20.994)
I think so too. Yeah.

Lori (26:25.668)
was really trying to be somebody she thought she needed to be. And maybe she's still in her recovery phase. And sometimes your recovery phase goes on too long.

Kelli (26:30.103)
Yeah.

Kelli (26:41.356)
Yeah.

Lori (26:41.582)
So maybe being on the show is a little wake up call and we kind of see towards then that maybe it was for you to kind of start moving out of that healing phase and going back into living phase.

Kelli (26:52.353)
Right.

Right, not at the pace you were at, obviously, but you've logistically changed things where you don't have to carry on at that pace.

Lori (26:58.382)
Right, not at the pace you were at, but.

Lori (27:05.222)
Right, and you've made the decision that that's not how you want your life to be.

Wendy (27:10.51)
Right, right. Then we see Hailey comes home from college. That's the oldest daughter. And the boys, like when Wendy comes home, when Hailey comes home, they feel like she's the second mom. Now she's 18 and the youngest is 10, I think, right?

Kelli (27:28.918)
Yeah, I think the boys were 12 and 10.

Wendy (27:31.766)
Yeah, listen, that's a big, eight years is a big difference. And like she says to Wendy, her mother was always around in New York. I mean, she was driving her everywhere. They were involved in theater. She was making the costumes. So she was like the, she said it, she was the PTA mom. So these boys didn't get that. So when Haley comes home,

Lori (27:43.151)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (27:52.294)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (27:52.354)
Yeah.

Wendy (27:59.272)
One, she loves her family, obviously, and she is 19 and she knows what it's like to be that helicopter parent because that's what her mother was. And she knows what it's like to be the, what did she call it? The low impact, is that what it was? The low impact, low demand, that's it. So she wants to, when she comes home, she wants to kind of parent her siblings the way she wants to be a parent when she.

Lori (28:10.224)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (28:16.186)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, low impact.

Kelli (28:18.144)
Low demand, low demand parenting, yeah.

Wendy (28:28.936)
is apparent. I think she said that very eloquently to Wendy, but that's not what Wendy brought back. That is not what Wendy brought back. Wendy heard something different.

Lori (28:30.351)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (28:34.743)
Bye.

Lori (28:35.334)
Oh, most definitely. No, no, I don't, I don't, yeah, I don't feel like the conversation at the end of the episode that Wendy has with Althea, I don't, to me, it came off very, um,

Wendy (28:55.544)
condescending and judgy.

Lori (28:56.71)
very condescending, very, very, very, very. And I give the other lady a lot of credit. But you can see that Althea has, Aletha, Aletha, she has...

Kelli (29:01.751)
Yeah.

Kelli (29:08.674)
Alita.

I think we've said her name three different times, three different ways.

Wendy (29:15.18)
I think it's Aletha, Alethea, and Althea. And I don't even know how to spell it, because I spelt it wrong every time.

Lori (29:15.558)
well.

Lori (29:21.862)
So whatever. Yeah, we do like her, yeah. But you can see that her reflex is to put that smile. Like it's a reflex so that she just, you could see she kind of just like a little bit shuts off and puts a smile on. And even Wendy was, when she was talking to her, I don't feel she was talking to her very nicely.

Kelli (29:22.092)
We apologize, Aletha, we really did like, you know, we apologize.

Wendy (29:25.226)
Yeah, we do. We don't really know how to pronounce your name though. Sorry.

Lori (29:51.787)
you could tell she was, you could see her swallowing and like little ticks in her face, but she still had that smile on.

Wendy (30:00.034)
could see tears in her eyes. I could see tears in her eyes when Wendy was talking to her. I could see tears in her eyes when Susan was talking to her. I could see tears in her eyes. Even if she wasn't actually crying, I could see the tears in her eyes. I could see the sadness in her eyes. I could see it even though she was smiling.

Lori (30:03.259)
Yeah.

Lori (30:08.026)
Mm-hmm. It's just not nice.

Lori (30:14.031)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (30:17.058)
You're like she didn't know how to react to what they were saying or how they were treating her.

Lori (30:21.166)
Yeah, like that's what I'm saying. think it's just her coping mechanism is to just put that fake smile on just because she doesn't know what to do.

Kelli (30:23.542)
Maybe she's got a little bit of anxiety too.

Kelli (30:28.556)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (30:31.553)
Right.

Kelli (30:33.73)
Yeah.

Wendy (30:34.124)
Right. So Hailey shows Wendy, you know, what to do. One of the things her mom does is cleans up the ferret poop. So Wendy goes and cleans up the ferret poop. Yeah. Which I'm sure ferret poop is gross. Three hours until rules change and back in Potomac, Alethea is vacuuming with her heels on and Eddie's kind of watching her saying she's not doing it right. She's not doing the lines right. She's not doing this right.

Lori (30:42.31)
That's gross. That's gross. That's gross.

Kelli (30:45.794)
So gross.

Kelli (31:02.386)
god.

Wendy (31:04.108)
I mean, okay, I just want, that carpet wasn't all that great. That carpet was sagging. No, it was not a brand new carpet. was buckled, carpet was buckled. She needed new carpet anyway. I hate to tell you that, Wendy, but you needed new carpet anyway.

Kelli (31:09.494)
was not. No, it was not.

Lori (31:09.958)
No, no, no. It was buckled. It was buckled.

Kelli (31:17.61)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (31:20.132)
Yes, yes, in your carpet anyway. Right.

Kelli (31:21.664)
Yes. Exactly. Yes.

Lori (31:26.526)
And not only that, you know, I noticed this. So they're, what they do is the, the wife from Florida comes to Wendy's house and when it's her rules, they lay out like quilts on the living room floor and they're painting and they're just doing stuff in the house that Wendy would never have. And one of the kids spills the red paint on the carpet and they show it cleaned up.

Wendy (31:50.2)
Right.

Lori (31:56.423)
And it's like a pink. It was once red, but now it's like a pink. When they show the scene at the end of the episode where Wendy comes home, the spot is now brighter red. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. I did, yep, I was like, I don't like you people. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (31:59.319)
Yeah.

Kelli (32:09.942)
read again.

Really? I did not catch that. But see, you watched it on Peacock, right? I'm telling you, you gotta watch things on Peacock, because I watched it, I tried to watch it last night, whatever night it aired, I tried to watch it and take notes. Peacock is the way to go.

Lori (32:29.904)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (32:34.276)
Yes.

Wendy (32:36.194)
But you know what, when I watched that scene, I think Eddie is really the one who spilled the paint. I really think Eddie. He was trying to blame it on Cruz, but I don't think it was Cruz that spilled it. I think it was Eddie because he reached over and did something. Cruz was fine over there by himself. Eddie's the one who spilled the paint.

Kelli (32:40.852)
He is!

Lori (32:41.732)
I think he is.

I don't think I should cross that.

Kelli (32:52.416)
Yeah. Yep. Yep.

Lori (32:54.882)
And not only that, when Wendy finally got home, the husband was like a five-year-old who was like, Cruz did it, Cruz did it, Cruz. And I was like, okay, so wait a second. What kind of marriage do you have going on over here that, I mean, if my husband spilled the paint, be like, but he wouldn't be like,

Wendy (33:04.448)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (33:06.273)
Yes.

Wendy (33:11.213)
Yeah.

Kelli (33:20.514)
Yeah, sorry, I spilled the paint.

Lori (33:23.696)
throwing my kid under the bus or like acting like, ooh.

Wendy (33:24.088)
Blaming one of the kids.

Kelli (33:28.898)
Right.

Lori (33:30.575)
I don't know.

Kelli (33:31.884)
Well, Craig told Wendy that he, know, everything he does and it's a lot. And then he says, there's no bedtime and the kids decide when they go to bed. And Wendy was like, say what?

Wendy (33:31.894)
I thought that was odd too.

Lori (33:43.128)
Mm-hmm. Say what?

Wendy (33:45.208)
Yeah.

Kelli (33:47.97)
Wendy (33:48.78)
So the kids come home from school in Naples and she, Wendy notices that they go running to hug Haley as soon as they get home from school. Which this is not her first time seeing them. This is the next day she, you know, they see her again and they run to her. But again, you know what? She's their big sister and they miss her because she's normally away at college.

Kelli (33:59.542)
Yeah.

Lori (34:03.832)
Right, right, right.

Kelli (34:05.152)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (34:13.712)
Right.

Kelli (34:14.176)
Right, right. I loved that Althea.

Wendy (34:19.852)
See?

Kelli (34:20.81)
Aletha, now you got me calling her Aletha, wore the pajamas to bring the kids to school.

Lori (34:20.88)
See, it's a little. Yeah.

Wendy (34:24.974)
you

Lori (34:27.819)
yeah, that's a great move. That's the best mood ever.

Wendy (34:28.38)
my gosh, I love that too.

Kelli (34:30.624)
That was so good. They're like, you're going to wear that? She's like, yeah.

Lori (34:34.854)
Like me wearing my rollers out. I wore them the other day when I was driving to work.

Wendy (34:36.482)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (34:40.782)
my God, that was so funny when we picked you up for the women's expo.

Wendy (34:42.074)
my gosh, you wear them driving to work?

Lori (34:44.006)
Yeah, I don't care. What do I care? What do I care?

Kelli (34:47.594)
Sometimes I see Lori driving to work as we leave the neighborhood at the same time. I have not seen that yet, but if I do you best believe I'm taking a picture. I'm just gonna drive by. I definitely will.

Lori (34:52.825)
Yeah.

Lori (34:56.408)
great. I could care less. think it's funny. think, you know what? for me, it's like I'm fucking with people. I love it that I'm driving and somebody next to me is like, what is she doing? I think it's hysterical. I amuse myself.

Wendy (34:58.764)
You have to take a picture.

Kelli (35:11.788)
Bye. Bye.

Wendy (35:12.558)
That's great.

Lori (35:17.392)
Yeah.

Wendy (35:19.95)
In her confessional, Haley said, I'm glad my mom is not as stressed out as she used to be when we lived in New York. So I think that that is also very telling, you know?

Lori (35:26.33)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, most definitely. See, the problem with Wendy is it's never good to paint yourself as being perfect. And control is a fallacy. So...

Wendy (35:40.621)
effect.

Kelli (35:44.258)
That's right.

The only constant is change.

Lori (35:51.13)
That's it. And it's it's also very telling, you know, now the situation that she's in.

Wendy (35:51.202)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (36:00.266)
Yeah, well.

Lori (36:00.665)
It's really not good to paint yourself as perfect because you know if you you know your fall from grace is very far then.

Kelli (36:03.286)
Bye.

Wendy (36:13.294)
I don't know if you're aware of this, Lori, but Wendy is also financially responsible for her mother. In the Nigerian culture, you have to take care of your mother. So she would have to give her mother, I think she called it an allowance, and the allowance needed to be on time.

Kelli (36:28.288)
Yeah.

Wendy (36:32.214)
So yeah, so she has this pressure besides putting on this facade for a TV show and a camera. She also has to financially support her mother.

Lori (36:43.61)
support her mom. Yeah, so that's a lot. So, you know, maybe, I don't know, maybe there's, you know, well, there's always reasons why people do the things that they do. But maybe some of that led to her and her husband making some possibly, you know, poor decisions.

Wendy (37:06.38)
Yep. In Naples, when they do do the rule change, Wendy says that she's going to do, she's going to have one-on-one time with each of the kids doing with them what they like to do. Which I like that too. I like that too. So she was at the beach with Shane because he likes to go to the beach. Dylan likes to play the piano. So she was teaching Wendy how to play the piano. I thought that was awesome.

Lori (37:18.66)
I thought that was really sweet.

Kelli (37:18.912)
did like that. Yeah, me too. I thought that was really, really good. Yeah.

Lori (37:24.294)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (37:35.681)
Yeah.

Wendy (37:36.426)
Skylar likes football so she went there and cheered him on in football. Yep, yep. She really did get into it.

Kelli (37:42.22)
She's like, that's my baby.

Lori (37:46.307)
I mean, that's something, yeah, that's something you can't, you certainly can't take away from her. She was very good to those children. She was very motherly. She was very kind to them. I just don't think she was necessarily kind to the mother.

Kelli (37:56.022)
Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Wendy (37:58.253)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (38:02.861)
Yeah.

Kelli (38:04.034)
But Wendy's kids, the boys really liked that basketball net she put up in the kitchen and they got to take out.

Lori (38:08.762)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (38:09.518)
They sure did.

Texas Roadhouse takeout. That's expensive. That's expensive. Wendy wants them all cooking together. And we see that Alethea's mom and dad are there, so they're helping out as well. And she wants them all to sit at the kitchen table to eat dinner because they don't do that at her house.

Lori (38:14.522)
Texas Roadhouse.

Kelli (38:14.838)
I know, I saw that. Yeah, that's good shit right there.

Lori (38:38.374)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (38:38.658)
Wendy said, when was the last time you guys sat at the table together? And he said, New York. That was four years ago. That was four years ago. You mean you haven't sat at the table at Christmas, Thanksgiving, no holidays?

Kelli (38:43.67)
Yeah, that was, yeah. But you know, we, well, yeah, that's true. Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (38:44.294)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Lori (38:55.93)
But you know, that's, but who knows if that's really, you know, there's stuff that they say for the show too, you know?

Wendy (38:56.396)
I was surprised to hear that.

Kelli (38:58.134)
Yeah.

Kelli (39:01.494)
Well, we say it all the time, like...

Yeah, but even like kids with schedules like sports and piano lessons and you know, it's very difficult, especially with four kids. Like I have a hard time with two to get everybody to sit down at the same time. Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (39:19.182)
Right, getting them home at the same time at the, yeah. So it is rough.

Wendy (39:26.698)
And then while they're cooking dinner, Shane comes over and he said he's bored and Wendy calls him over and said, come over here, my child. And he's like, I want to go to the clubhouse. And she said, no, you're not going. And grandma jumped in and said, no, you're not going. So he was laying on the dinner table, literally laying on the dinner table. And his father saw him, he's like, get off the table. What are you doing?

Kelli (39:33.57)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (39:49.776)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (39:50.06)
Yeah. Yeah. And she did. Wendy took the cell phones away when they were having dinner. That was good.

Wendy (39:55.352)
yes, she sure did. They all liked the food. She made some sort of broccolini, spaghetti, salmon. They were all raving about the food. So she must be a good cook.

Lori (39:56.262)
put them in the ball. Great idea.

Kelli (40:07.159)
Yeah.

Lori (40:07.558)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (40:09.866)
It looked good.

Wendy (40:13.47)
Dylan asks Wendy at dinner, did we meet your expectations? I thought that was interesting that the 16 year old asked that question. And she said you exceeded them. And Haley jumped in and said, listen, you really listen and I appreciate that you, you know, you hear me and you see me. I'm so glad you're here. And I think that she really meant that. I think that those two have bonded. Yeah.

Kelli (40:20.46)
Yeah.

Lori (40:21.03)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (40:24.278)
Yeah.

Lori (40:35.734)
definitely, yeah.

Kelli (40:36.704)
Yeah.

Kelli (40:43.18)
Aletha brought Wendy's family to an alpaca farm.

Wendy (40:48.373)
Yes, that was so cute. my god, Cameron loved those alpacas.

Kelli (40:51.178)
Yeah, she was so cute.

Lori (40:53.326)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (40:55.424)
She really was.

Kelli (40:58.018)
She was really cute with them,

Wendy (40:58.542)
And back in Naples at 109, they're, no, back in Potomac, they're still playing basketball at 109 AM. I was like, Ooh, that's a late night.

Kelli (41:08.295)
Yeah. Yeah.

She is not gonna like that.

Lori (41:12.784)
Yeah.

Wendy (41:18.294)
Wendy did hold the ferret because that's what Shane wanted her to do. So she held the ferret and that was some of their bonding time.

Kelli (41:25.803)
Yeah.

Wendy (41:28.43)
Cruz wanted to know that when mom came back that if the rules were going to change back and it wasn't going to be fun anymore. And like, yeah, pretty much what's going to happen.

Kelli (41:35.134)
Yeah, pretty much. Pretty much.

Lori (41:36.688)
Pretty much.

Wendy (41:41.888)
Eddie admits that he would like to do more fun things like that out in nature with the kids and as a family. So I think that that's something that they would probably do for the future. Because it's not that hard to pick a day and just go someplace with the kids for an hour or two.

Kelli (41:50.348)
Yeah.

Kelli (41:56.65)
Right, right.

Lori (41:56.891)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (42:01.614)
It's the last day that Wendy's there with the Shapiro family, so she makes some scrambled eggs in the morning. Craig said that he was glad that they got to do this and he'd like to manifest that, you know, things change for the better. So I think that's him really admitting that he wants his wife to participate a little bit more.

Kelli (42:23.562)
Yeah, and Aletha's daughter said that Wendy went the extra mile to learn about each kid. I thought, I do think that that was like really nice. And that woman, Aletha's kids are really good, nice, sweet kids. So whatever her parenting style is, she has very, from what we saw, respectful, good kids.

Lori (42:37.967)
Yes.

Wendy (42:38.539)
I agree.

Wendy (42:44.162)
Yeah.

Lori (42:45.51)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (42:49.878)
As soon as Wendy gets home, the kids were actually playing basketball in the kitchen.

Kelli (42:52.642)
You

Lori (42:54.118)
It's so funny.

Lori (42:59.12)
She seemed really pissed about the carpet. Like, really pissed.

Wendy (43:01.976)
She really did.

Kelli (43:05.174)
Like you guys said, like, it wasn't a great fucking carpet. Like, it definitely looked like it needed to be replaced anyway.

Wendy (43:10.688)
It wasn't.

Lori (43:11.194)
No!

And she obviously has, you know, I understand that she has to take care of her mother and yada yada yada. But she obviously has money for designer clothes and blah blah blah. So it's not like, I don't know, I was just like, okay girl, make a big deal about your shitty ass carpet being ruined.

Kelli (43:29.472)
Yeah. Yep.

Kelli (43:40.374)
Right. Right.

Wendy (43:41.684)
Yeah, no, she, Wendy looked horrified. So then they sit down to talk and Alethea said, like, I have to ask you, do you really wake up at 5.30 every morning? And Wendy said, I do. It's actually five. And she's like, well, I wish I could be a morning person. Wendy's like, well, I wasn't a morning person. I'm not. I do it for my kids. And you know what? I think Alethea did it for her kids too, when she was in New York. You know, I don't know a lot of people that are morning. I mean, I'm not a morning person either.

Lori (44:05.968)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (44:08.0)
Yeah.

Wendy (44:11.724)
I mean, I have to be, I have to be because I have to do it, but if it was my choice, I wouldn't be up. But that's what, you know, that's what we do in life. We do things we don't like to do.

Kelli (44:12.182)
Neither. Right. Right.

Lori (44:17.892)
Right, you went and it, right?

Kelli (44:19.201)
Right.

Kelli (44:24.098)
We sure do. Like work.

Lori (44:25.612)
And, and like Kelly said, like Kelly said, those kids are getting up. There's nobody waking them up. Like, like, right. Like it's, it's great that you're on top of your kids and you do all that for them. But some people have children that that half hour in the morning, trying to get them up and trying to get them ready is such a maddening struggle.

Wendy (44:25.846)
But when went

Kelli (44:32.844)
Right, they're-

Wendy (44:34.252)
and pack in their own lunch.

Kelli (44:36.161)
Yeah!

Lori (44:55.43)
and such a tone of stress for the rest of the day that just just like sabotage your whole day because it's just so horrendous. Like to not have that stress and have them get up for themselves, that's like.

Kelli (45:04.972)
for sure.

stressful.

Wendy (45:17.676)
and having them independent like that, that is teaching them to be independent. I mean, they are ahead of the curve that they can get up, get themselves dressed, pack their lunch and get out the door. You're ahead of the curve.

Lori (45:20.624)
Dad is teaching them be independent.

Kelli (45:22.024)
Absolutely. Yeah.

Kelli (45:28.78)
Yep. Yep.

Wendy (45:32.27)
But for Wendy to say to her, you take up space in the house and everyone revolves around you. And then it really struck me because of what your daughter said and Haley, who's so amazing, which she said, thank you for saying Haley's amazing. But she totally twisted that story because Haley did not say that I parent the way I want her to parent me. That is not what she said.

Kelli (45:51.255)
Yeah.

Lori (45:51.89)
most definitely.

Lori (45:59.737)
No, that's not what you said at all. Not what you said at all.

Kelli (46:00.972)
That's not what she said. Right.

Wendy (46:03.052)
Yes. And Wendy did meet that her kids, you know, she admitted that her kids were awesome. But this is where I think she was right. She said, you know, they still want to be seen by you. Like your kids are awesome, but you still need to be there. And I think that she is right in saying that. I do think that she's right in saying that.

Lori (46:15.28)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (46:19.232)
Yeah.

Lori (46:20.036)
most definitely, most definitely. Like I said, I think she got stuck. I think she got stuck in recovery from whatever she suffered from and she got stuck and she got comfortable and she thought, okay, the only way I'm gonna be okay is if I stay like this in my cocoon that I've created so that I can heal. But.

Wendy (46:26.189)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (46:30.826)
Mm-hmm. Right.

Kelli (46:31.297)
Yeah.

Kelli (46:41.537)
Right.

Wendy (46:41.932)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (46:46.104)
eventually you got to break out of the cocoon and have some wings and enjoy life again. like I said, hopefully that's what has gone on for her after the show.

Kelli (46:54.848)
And how about when she said that Craig can be a martyr?

Wendy (46:58.562)
Yeah.

Lori (46:59.29)
Yeah, I don't know what that was about.

Kelli (47:00.864)
I don't know what that was about either, but I thought, I don't know, that's kind of a bold statement, you know?

Lori (47:03.046)
I was like,

Hmm.

Wendy (47:07.02)
And did you see the look on Wendy's face when she said that? Yeah.

Kelli (47:09.793)
Yeah.

Lori (47:10.082)
Yes, it was like what? Probably the same look that I had on my face when I was watching her say it.

Kelli (47:12.34)
Yeah. Exactly.

Wendy (47:18.2)
She does also tell Wendy that her kids would like to have maybe more fun time and flexible time scheduled in. And I think hopefully Wendy does do that, let them have a little bit of free time because life shouldn't be so scheduled. She did say, and I don't know if it's true or not, it doesn't matter if I'm the first one at school or if I'm the last one at school, so long as I'm there to pick them up. You don't always have to be the first one there. You don't always have to be 15 minutes early.

Kelli (47:29.824)
Yeah.

Kelli (47:41.066)
Exactly. Right.

Kelli (47:48.906)
Wendy did thank her for opening up her home to her, which was very nice.

Wendy (47:54.08)
She did. She did. But she also said for ruining my carpet. She threw that in the same sentence. She did. Yeah.

Kelli (47:57.73)
I mean, all in all, was a good episode. Yeah, that's true. I just couldn't let it go. But her mother, I mean, the big takeaway, her mother was very rude to that woman for no reason at all.

Lori (48:00.911)
Yeah, she couldn't, I couldn't let it go. couldn't let it go, man, about the carpet.

Wendy (48:14.036)
I saw, I agree, I saw Wendy on Reality, Virtual Reality, and she said she actually had a call on Althea and apologized for her mother's actions. I was surprised that she admitted that. Yes. Yep. Yeah, I was surprised she admitted that. Because her mother's not gonna be too happy.

Kelli (48:27.586)
Really? Wow! Good!

Lori (48:29.648)
Hmm. Wow.

Lori (48:36.454)
But you can see where the, right. Where the condensation being consending goes from the condescending goes from the mother to the daughter because Wendy has the same can be, you know, condescending also. What did I say? Did I say condensation? Good, good God. Meta, MetaPause, MetaPause. No.

Wendy (48:44.824)
condescending.

Kelli (48:50.729)
yeah. yeah.

Wendy (48:50.883)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (48:55.82)
For sure. Condensation. I'm like, are we talking about the rug again? What are we talking?

Wendy (48:58.306)
Condensation. I'm like, no. Wait, did you take Benadryl? Maybe it was the Benadryl.

Lori (49:06.318)
No, no, that's just that's just menopause brain.

Kelli (49:09.908)
You have to, when you guys log off, go look at my, WeWineWhenever, you know what? I'm gonna share a WeWineWhenever story. I put out my story on Instagram, it is so funny. It's this guy sitting in the truck talking about his wife. my God, it's so funny. She's like, the fuck are you looking at? You look like a fucking creep. He's like, I was just looking at how, just thinking about how beautiful you are and how much I love you. She's like, shut the fuck up.

Wendy (49:16.972)
Yeah, put it on WeWay whenever.

Wendy (49:24.054)
I actually saw it. It is funny.

It is funny.

Lori (49:29.264)
Listen people.

Wendy (49:33.43)
Hahaha.

Lori (49:33.656)
if menopause is-

Lori (49:38.886)
Fuck up. Metapause is real. It's real.

Kelli (49:43.106)
So funny. my God.

Lori (49:46.726)
What you gonna do? What you gonna

Wendy (49:49.484)
Okay, anything else?

Lori (49:51.523)
No, I just felt really horrible when Wendy came home and her little daughter hugged her. And then I thought to myself, what the fuck are you? Like, you know, I know that we say nothing's proven and fucking blah, blah, but like, to me, it's just heartbreaking because...

Kelli (49:51.874)
I think that's it.

Kelli (50:17.344)
Well, it's all alleged, but you're right, because if she's found guilty, she will definitely see jail time. That's a lot of money that they are alleging that they fraudulently.

Lori (50:23.974)
That's what I'm saying.

Lori (50:28.582)
Right. And like I said, there are things that you, you know, there are facts of the case that are not, you know, they're not disputable. And I mean, I watch stuff like directly from the police department, like the speech that they made. There's like, they found things in their house that, you know, there's

Kelli (50:31.051)
Received.

Kelli (50:40.47)
Disputable.

Kelli (50:50.807)
Yeah.

Wendy (50:54.259)
I did too.

Lori (50:58.394)
text messages, there's, you know, the grand jury thought it was enough. Grand jury thought it was enough.

Wendy (51:02.306)
Receipts. The receipts for jewelry returned.

Kelli (51:06.412)
Did you see where they asked for separate trials?

Lori (51:08.922)
your return. No, no, I didn't see that.

Kelli (51:11.212)
they're asking to be tried separately.

Wendy (51:11.874)
Yeah, they have to. They kind of have to. They can't really be tried together. It really should be two separate cases.

Lori (51:17.412)
And I gotta ask, what is up with the monk shots?

Kelli (51:23.116)
They were high as kites.

Lori (51:24.132)
Yes, fuck! I was like...

Kelli (51:28.172)
Well, they have a cannabis line.

Lori (51:29.868)
a weed business. Yeah, I know. I mean, listen, something like that happens. My high's gone. I'm straight. Straight. Right away. Somebody comes to my house and I get busted for something really bad and I get taken away in handcuffs. It's gone. It's gone. I'm sober. Quick. Shit.

Kelli (51:39.027)
no shit, you sober up real quick.

Wendy (51:40.11)
you

Kelli (51:53.484)
for sure.

Lori (51:55.504)
So I'm just saying, I feel bad.

Wendy (51:55.928)
So Lori.

So, BravoCon starts on Friday in Las Vegas and it was announced that Wendy Iosefo and Karen Huger are both going to be there. And they are going to be streaming BravoCon on Peacock. So, if you get some free time this weekend, turn Peacock on and maybe you'll get a glimpse of Wendy Iosefo or Karen Huger and maybe they're out there talking because I'm going to be watching it when I get a chance to see what the heck is going on in Las Vegas because I'm sure...

Lori (52:26.136)
Okay, so I'm going tell you what's going on. Andy Cohen is gearing up for Life After Lockup Housewife Edition.

Kelli (52:41.762)
Could be.

Wendy (52:42.176)
Okay. I could see it. I could see it happening. We've certainly got enough mug shots.

Lori (52:48.006)
my god, I was like, what is wrong with you people? Yeah.

Kelli (52:54.722)
That's hysterical.

Lori (52:56.676)
So I feel bad for her, their children. That's what I feel bad for.

Kelli (52:59.878)
for sure, for sure.

Wendy (53:03.616)
Okay, so until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye.

Kelli (53:10.23)
Bye.

Lori (53:11.121)
Bye.