Unmasking the Truth… or Wasting Our Time? RHOBH Breakdown

Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.766)
I'm Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:05.745)
and I'm Lauren.

Wendy (00:07.95)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, season 15, episode number 14, Unmasking the Truth. Oh boy.

We Wine Whenever (00:16.957)
boy.

Wendy (00:19.584)
Okay, the title works, but honestly, that is a lot. That's a lot for masks. Just gonna say that.

Kelli (00:27.644)
Yeah, yeah. This episode was a lot. I feel like I have different opinions after this. Not majorly different, but different opinions after this episode.

We Wine Whenever (00:29.054)
The whole episode was a lot.

Wendy (00:31.054)
It was a lot.

Wendy (00:47.214)
So we start out with the ladies getting dressed and ready to go shopping in Florence. Kyle Lentz, I know. Listen, I would too, but she handled it with grace and she borrowed that dress from Kyle and she wasn't bitching and moaning about it. Can you imagine if that was Dorit? Can you imagine?

Kelli (00:52.894)
How about Sutton not having her luggage yet?

We Wine Whenever (00:55.294)
Yeah, so annoying. So annoying. Especially on a show like that.

Kelli (00:57.958)
I would be furious.

Kelli (01:05.17)
She really did.

We Wine Whenever (01:10.938)
forget it. No, forget it.

Kelli (01:12.735)
If it were anybody other than Sutton, I feel like it would be a major deal. yeah, Dorit would have been...

Wendy (01:19.352)
think Kyle would have been okay with it. I think Kyle would have... I do too. And Kathy, I mean...

We Wine Whenever (01:21.428)
I think Tilly would have been fine with it.

Kelli (01:23.91)
Here's my thing though, you got enough money. Like if I didn't have my luggage, well I guess you gotta wait. I guess you gotta give it like 24 hours. But I would have been like, I'm in Italy, I make $300,000 a month off of my ex-husband. I'm fucking going shopping. You know? Yeah. But I guess you gotta give it some time. But she did handle it with grace, I agree.

We Wine Whenever (01:33.874)
Yeah, yay.

We Wine Whenever (01:41.512)
I'm going to job like right now. Right now.

Wendy (01:43.704)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:47.613)
Yeah.

Wendy (01:47.916)
Yeah. Yes. And the dress that she borrowed from Kyle looked wonderful. And I watched her on the after show. Yes, Mazzara, that's Kyle's go-to brand. She was on the after show and she's like, my gosh, I have to return that dress to you. Because she still has it. She hadn't returned it yet when she filmed the after show. The next thing we see is Rachel's talking to Dorit about the text that she got from her son. Are you going to say something, Laura?

Kelli (01:54.248)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (01:55.39)
From Zara.

We Wine Whenever (02:17.104)
No, I was joining. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.

Wendy (02:17.166)
or were you just yawning? It's okay. Okay.

Kelli (02:19.762)
You know, it's, I'll say something real quick. It's interesting the differing opinions on social media about how Rachel is handling this situation with her ex-husband and her kids. Have you noticed that? Some people, you know, listen, I feel like I would be like Rachel, quite honestly, no, I wouldn't be like Rachel. I would feel the way Rachel feels, but I would not be as eloquent and calm about it. I would be a

We Wine Whenever (02:30.204)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (02:46.6)
no, no, like a lunatic, yeah.

Kelli (02:48.632)
lunatic and unfortunately for my children, they would know that I was being a lunatic. Like I think she's handling it extremely well and just doing what's best for her kids and sending them off to the, you know, I know we'll get there, but people online are basically like some are like, like what is her problem? Get over it. Like now you're going to send your kids off to the Hamptons. Like you can't control everything. Let them be with their father. Let them deal with it.

Wendy (03:07.661)
Right.

Wendy (03:19.79)
They're young.

Kelli (03:20.102)
It's interesting, the differing opinions.

Wendy (03:22.828)
Yeah, I know.

We Wine Whenever (03:23.464)
But again, when you're on a show like this and you put your children on, that's part of the problem. It's part of the problem because you're gonna get, people are gonna be all in your shit about what you're doing, how you're doing it, what kind of mom you are, what kind of mom you aren't, you know. And I think that's, I think that's.

Kelli (03:32.744)
Well, you're, yeah, I mean, you're, well, you have to.

Kelli (03:41.618)
Sure.

Kelli (03:47.623)
yeah, no, you're putting yourself out there to be criticized for sure.

We Wine Whenever (03:52.145)
Yeah, and I think that's part of, a lot of people say, Bethany Frankel, you know, she shouldn't be judging her and I think she's necessarily judging her. I think she was giving her a little warning, like trying to warn her about like, look, like you're not producing your own show anymore. This is produced by somebody else. They're going to put out what they want to put out and it's your kids and

things could easily get spun anyway. Production wants them kind of to get spun. They'll show what they want to show and I don't know. just...

Kelli (04:32.432)
And what's interesting about Bethany giving her advice is that Bethany did go through what a 10 year divorce situation and she was on reality TV for some of that time and she didn't talk about it. She didn't. She did not talk about it. It was like unspoken, like we're not talking about that. Don't bring it up.

Wendy (04:39.749)
my gosh, yes, yes.

We Wine Whenever (04:40.508)
Right, right.

Wendy (04:51.16)
She didn't, she did not. And even after it was done, she tried to, after it had been done for a while, she tried to do a podcast about it and give people advice. And she shut it down. I don't know if she shut it, I think she did shut it down, but I think it may have been because she got backlash from him. you know.

We Wine Whenever (04:56.318)
Right.

Kelli (05:13.692)
Yeah. She, Bethany is in this situation is probably someone to listen to.

We Wine Whenever (05:20.82)
All right, that's it.

Wendy (05:22.008)
People don't like her though. You either like Bethany or you don't. There is no middle ground with Bethany. There's no middle ground. I happen to like her. I've always liked her. But if you don't like her, you don't like her. There's just no middle ground with her. And you know.

Kelli (05:23.716)
I know. I know. No. You're right. Me too.

Kelli (05:33.84)
Mm-hmm. Right. I agree. Yeah. I agree.

We Wine Whenever (05:35.124)
Mmm.

We Wine Whenever (05:39.281)
I'm just saying no matter how you slice it, no matter how you look at it, and believe me, I'm a big Rachel Zofan. I think she's fricking awesome. And I think the way she portrays herself as a great parent, that's not where I'm coming from. I'm just saying the whole concept of your children being on that kind of venue just is, I just find disturbing.

and it's nothing against her, I just find the concept to be.

Wendy (06:14.424)
That's interesting because I find that word strong, disturbing. I find that word strong.

Kelli (06:21.798)
Think I think Rachel's having a great first season, but now I see what Laurie saying This is it's it's it's Interesting that she chose this time to put her kids on a reality TV show when she is going through a Difficult divorce I'll just use the word difficult because She's making it seem like it's difficult at least this this

Wendy (06:22.092)
Because you don't agree with it?

Yeah.

Wendy (06:49.667)
Yeah.

Kelli (06:51.39)
the situation surrounding her divorce are difficult for her. So that's gonna spill onto your kids. And this is the time you choose to put your kids on a reality TV show? if you choose, cause we've seen housewives in the past choose to go on a show and not have their kids on it. She chose to go on the show. She does have her kids on it. This is the worst, probably the worst thing that's, oh no, I know.

Wendy (07:13.016)
You know what though? He had to sign off on it.

Kelli (07:18.322)
But this is probably the worst thing that has ever happened to her kids. And now they have cameras in their face. So I understand what you're saying. I'm sure she sat them down and I'm sure she talked to them about it and they were like, yeah, we'll do it. You know, it's it's interesting timing. What do they know?

We Wine Whenever (07:25.076)
That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

Wendy (07:27.842)
No, I-I-No!

We Wine Whenever (07:34.299)
What do they know?

Wendy (07:36.716)
No, I totally understand what you're saying. I'm just saying I feel like that word disturbing is a very strong word, but I get what you're saying. Like it is tough, but like I said, he did have to sign off on it. Those kids are minors and they cannot be on camera unless he agreed to it as well. So, and I don't think, honestly, I don't see him getting any backlash for that. I only see her getting backlash for that.

Kelli (07:51.048)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Kelli (08:02.98)
well, of course, because she's on the show and he's not. But you're absolutely right. He's 50 % responsible for those kids being on the show right now.

Wendy (08:04.653)
Right?

We Wine Whenever (08:05.608)
Right? Exactly.

Wendy (08:11.382)
Right, because if he said no, then it wouldn't have happened and she could have still been on the show because they wouldn't have not had her on the show. Right? So let's...

We Wine Whenever (08:19.497)
Right.

Kelli (08:19.89)
No, right. She could have been on the show and not had her kids on for sure. We never see Dorit's kids and that could possibly be because PK didn't sign off on it.

Wendy (08:24.78)
Right.

Well, sometimes we do, because we did see the FaceTime. We did see the FaceTime. We do. And with PK, we do see them sometimes, but it's a limited amount. And again, you know, the father has to sign off on these kids. I feel like sometimes we as women, I mean, I myself, I feel like everyone like puts that responsibility on us, but the father's just as culpable, right?

We Wine Whenever (08:32.37)
Yes, we did see the FaceTime just that little bit.

Kelli (08:33.52)
Mm. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (08:39.72)
Yeah.

Kelli (08:43.614)
Yeah.

Kelli (08:52.935)
Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (08:53.458)
Well, I don't think well, I'm all with that. I think it was a great idea for either parent. My opinion still holds, you know, no matter who did it.

Wendy (08:58.732)
Yeah, right, right. Yeah.

Kelli (08:59.806)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah, no, he's definitely 50 % responsible for them being on the show.

Wendy (09:04.589)
Yeah.

Yeah. I thought it was interesting that whether out there shopping, Bo's and Erica are both wearing leopard prints.

We Wine Whenever (09:17.982)
I saw that and Boza's dress was like dragging three feet behind her. I was like, girl, what are... And she looked great and everything, but I was just like, what are you, why are you walking around the city with this fabric just, like all the dragging in the street? And I was like, well, I don't get it.

Kelli (09:18.749)
Yeah.

Wendy (09:24.994)
And she is tall.

Kelli (09:25.288)
Yeah. And she is tall. Yeah.

Kelli (09:35.816)
Dragging on the ground

Wendy (09:36.344)
I thought

Kelli (09:41.15)
Did you notice the lemons on Jenner? go ahead, sorry.

Wendy (09:41.302)
I wrote down that Jennifer's dress in yellow with the lemons was fabulous and she gave me pinup girl look. Like she always does to be honest with you. Right? Right? I love her. Yes, yes. And Erica and Boze were giving mob wives energy. Jennifer pointed that out. Then we see Cathy.

We Wine Whenever (09:50.548)
yeah, she always does, yes. I love that vibe.

Kelli (09:51.017)
She always gives pinup, girl, always. Did you notice the lemons on her sunglasses? Super cute, super cute, always gives pinup.

We Wine Whenever (09:57.417)
Mm-hmm. She's great.

We Wine Whenever (10:06.056)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (10:10.144)
I know, I definitely like that. and Kyle and Amanda are in the car together and Amanda's in the middle again. Amanda's like, do you guys eat during these dinners when it's tense? And Kyle's like, well, I actually eat more when I'm stressed. And Kathy's like, yeah, I do too. And Amanda's like, yeah, when the meals get tense, her audible sigh, the audible sigh.

We Wine Whenever (10:31.186)
Always with the sigh. Always with the sigh. That one. Always with the sigh. I can't.

Wendy (10:39.624)
So then in the car, Jennifer says to, she's got Erika, Dorit and Beau. She's like, I don't understand what's going on with Sutton. Like, why are you sharing a room with Amanda? And she's like, what do you think? Like, why is Sutton doing that? And she's not, like they're not, everyone is questioning this. Like, this is like the big question. And I'll be honest with you, when Dorit all of a sudden in her confession was like, now I know why she's doing it because, you know, she has ulterior motives. I was like,

on Dorit, like do you really think that...

Kelli (11:13.899)
I totally, I totally agree with her. That she just, Sutton? What's her last name? Brown?

We Wine Whenever (11:17.488)
I knew you were going to agree, Kelly. Yeah, I knew it, I know. I knew it. Brown.

Wendy (11:17.91)
You do?

Wendy (11:26.188)
Brown, yes, Sutton Brown.

Kelli (11:27.366)
wants so badly to be friends with Kyle and Kathy, she will do anything. She'll do anything. When Dorit said it, I'm like, my God, she's so right. She sacrificed her whole friendship with Garcelle to be friends with these women. There's no doubt in my mind. That's exactly, she was like, this will probably put me in a good light with Kyle. I'll run with Amanda.

Wendy (11:57.014)
What do you think, Lori? Do you agree? You do? Okay. I don't. I don't.

We Wine Whenever (11:58.848)
yes. I do. Yep, I do.

Kelli (12:00.55)
I totally agree.

Wendy (12:09.166)
So then Rachel, Sutton, and Natalie are in the car together. And Rachel says, I can't really understand what Amanda's stance is. And she said, Sutton, you're in her room. What do you think? And she's like, well, this morning I went downstairs. And I had breakfast with Kyle. And then I came back, and she was on her laptop on my pillow. When she sat on my pillow, I was like, ooh, ooh. That's no.

We Wine Whenever (12:31.912)
Yeah.

Yeah, that was not cool.

Kelli (12:37.48)
So here's the thing though. I mean, I understand we're, no, I'm not, I'm not, but I'm just, no, I'm really not. I support Sutton in this, but Amanda, Sutton had like three, cause they showed it. Sutton had like three pillows on her bed. Didn't Amanda also?

Wendy (12:43.704)
You're okay with that?

okay. Okay. Okay.

Kelli (13:02.214)
Why did she have to take the pillow off of Sutton's bed? It's something so silly, but it's like, why? And she's talking through it. She's like, well, I hope Sutton doesn't mind. I'm just gonna take her pillow. It's like, why?

We Wine Whenever (13:02.61)
enough pillows.

Wendy (13:04.118)
Right. Right. Right.

Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (13:15.688)
Yeah, no. Not cool.

Wendy (13:17.613)
Yeah.

And Rachel's like, that just gives me anxiety thinking about it. And I was like, I don't want anyone touching my pillow either. Don't touch my pillow.

Kelli (13:27.184)
No! And that's your laptop. Like, I don't know what, that thing was on a plane. Like, you've had it everywhere. The germs are probably, ugh.

Wendy (13:31.51)
Yeah!

We Wine Whenever (13:37.896)
Yeah, yeah, no, this is not good.

Wendy (13:43.022)
So as Sutton goes on in her confession, say, you know, I just, I wanted to, like, I wanted to try and help her. And instead I'm stuck in a room with this woman who's talking about this book that she's writing while she's writing it. Can't we just talk about, like, how cute the Chloe fall line is? Like, what we want to buy? Like, can't we just have, like, fun girl talk? Like, she's all about the business. And she is. Like, she does not have one chill bone in her body. Like, not one.

Everything is about the rehearsed line that's going to be coming out of her next.

Kelli (14:17.202)
Yeah, so, yeah, so I think that part of it is she's obviously trying to push her business. you know, push your brand. Yeah, I mean, obviously. But also, I mean, I guess it's later in the episode, but Kyle says that she does that basically because that's like her defense mechanism, because everybody's coming at her. But if you're sharing a room with Sutton,

We Wine Whenever (14:25.331)
you think?

Wendy (14:25.358)
You think? We agree on that.

We Wine Whenever (14:28.857)
God

Kelli (14:45.246)
Sutton's not never coming at you. Well, I guess at her dinner she did a little bit, Sutton's extending the olive branch. Let's room together. Let's get to know each other. So if what Kyle says is true, you would think in that situation she would let her guard down and be like, okay, all right. But she's still not doing it. So I don't think the whole defense thing is true.

Wendy (14:47.862)
Right, right.

Yeah, but... right.

Wendy (14:55.982)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (15:07.758)
No, she's not.

We Wine Whenever (15:13.266)
Now, I already told you, she's way too, she's way too vested in her business as herself. Her business is herself. Without her business, what are you left with?

Kelli (15:25.692)
Yeah, that's her personality. Yeah, that's her.

Wendy (15:33.122)
Yeah, which is very sad. And sad. And sad. Because she's a mom. And she's a wife. Or fiance. Soon to be wife.

Kelli (15:34.674)
Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (15:35.325)
It is here.

Kelli (15:39.752)
Right. Yeah. But yeah, exactly. Close enough.

Wendy (15:44.278)
Watching the ladies walk through Florence is hysterical. I don't know if you caught this, but Kyle was like guiding Kathy. Like she was arm in arm with Kathy, like kind of helping her walk through. And then, yes. And then they're going to see the statue of David and Erica says, okay, ladies, like take a look at the cum gutter.

We Wine Whenever (15:56.499)
Amanda held her arm also. Kathy's arm. Wild walk.

Kelli (16:07.954)
Yeah, I still don't know what the fuck it means because, I'm sorry, I gotta stop cursing, I keep saying that. I am still confused as to, cause then when she explains it, I'm like, well, that's not, no, because she pointed to like the, you know, the,

Wendy (16:08.109)
What?

That's so.

We Wine Whenever (16:13.236)
You can curse all you want. It's a free country.

We Wine Whenever (16:22.226)
I'm still not getting it. No, I don't get it.

Wendy (16:27.532)
The groin. She put... The groin!

We Wine Whenever (16:31.988)
Yeah, I don't, yeah.

Kelli (16:32.2)
But even above, yes, but like on the sides, but then when she explained what it is, I'm like, well, that don't make sense. Like anatomically, that was not right.

We Wine Whenever (16:39.378)
No, I don't know. Listen, I don't know what's going on. I don't want to know what's going on. I don't want to know where that came from. I don't know how she came. I don't want to know.

Kelli (16:51.388)
It's a gross term, quite honestly. It's a gross term.

Wendy (16:51.98)
This is what I actually loved about it is how committed she was to it, how strongly she stood on it. Like this is a term that she feels that we should all know. Like, what do mean you don't like, right? Like you don't know this. having the ladies try and figure it out, like Jennifer's, yes. my God, Jennifer's like is.

Kelli (16:59.826)
Yes. Yeah.

Clearly.

Kelli (17:12.86)
Those ladies, like if this were, if this were Atlanta or OC, they would have gotten it. They would have gotten it, understood. Maybe Jersey, maybe Potomac, but definitely Atlanta and OC.

Wendy (17:20.404)
exactly, exactly.

Wendy (17:26.478)
I mean

Wendy (17:31.65)
Dorit is asking Siri, Jennifer Tilly's like, what is it, the penis? Amanda's like, does it mean pubes? Kyle's like, balls? Like, they have no idea. They just have no idea. And we don't either.

We Wine Whenever (17:31.688)
And you know, that's-

We Wine Whenever (17:42.492)
Yeah. And you know, that's just, that's a copy of David. The real ones in the museum, inside in the museum. That was just like a statue of the copy of David.

Kelli (17:46.226)
We don't either.

Kelli (17:54.951)
Which museum is it in?

Wendy (17:55.504)
my God.

We Wine Whenever (17:57.167)
some museum in Italy but the original is not hanging outside.

Kelli (17:59.269)
okay.

Right, for people to vandalize.

We Wine Whenever (18:04.136)
with people to ogle his fig leaf. No, it's...

Kelli (18:08.338)
Yeah.

Wendy (18:10.318)
in her confessional, she said, I don't know this word and I've been trained by gay men my whole life.

Kelli (18:16.702)
That was funny. Yeah.

Wendy (18:22.196)
standing there looking at the statue and she's like, did you see his hands? What about the size of his feet?

We Wine Whenever (18:26.516)
Yeah, that was kind of weird. was like, okay, Kath. She got into a whole thing. So like, wouldn't, it went in whole thing. Like, yeah. I was like, girl. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, okay.

Kelli (18:33.64)
She really did. She really went down a... Like she really gave us a visual of where her head was at.

Wendy (18:38.368)
I was laughing.

Wendy (18:44.054)
at those big giant feet like the Jolly Green Giant. I was like, OK. OK, Cathy.

We Wine Whenever (18:49.652)
and then carrying you across the bridge and your thighs are dripping and I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Kelli (18:52.498)
Yes! Yeah!

Wendy (18:56.59)
Like you don't expect that from Kathy. That'd be like you say, like me saying that. Would you be like, Wendy, are you all right?

We Wine Whenever (18:58.524)
No. Right. What? Yeah.

Kelli (18:58.909)
Now.

Yeah, exactly. You okay in there?

Wendy (19:08.206)
So then we see them, taking pictures and they're on the bridge and there's these masks and Natalie says, look at these masks. Like, should we get some? Like, who's gonna be the Pinocchio? And Bose is like, Amanda. Okay.

We Wine Whenever (19:25.618)
You know, I totally missed it and I had to rewind it because I didn't even I totally know it flew right by me. I didn't even hear her say it. I didn't even get it. And then I was, you know, I'm watching the episode. I'm like, I have to go back. And. Yeah, I totally missed it.

Wendy (19:29.644)
And I, you didn't get it? Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Kelli (19:35.443)
I did.

Kelli (19:42.781)
I got

Wendy (19:44.618)
And it's funny because that was one thing I clocked right away. I clocked it right away and I was like, when it kept coming up over and over again.

Kelli (19:52.467)
Well, because Bo says Amanda and you see Amanda like look or turn or like you knew right then and there Amanda heard Bo say her name in reference to a Pinocchio mask.

Wendy (19:57.206)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (20:05.62)
But I wonder because no one is actually saying what it was. So as the episode goes on, I'm thinking to myself, so if they're all standing there, if Amanda heard exactly what she said.

Why isn't Amanda saying, why'd you call me a liar? Like everybody's talking about a mask, blah blah blah blah, but nobody's saying, why'd you call me a liar?

Wendy (20:29.026)
But because...

Wendy (20:33.004)
Because what happened was, is Natalie said, who's gonna be Pinocchio? Those were Natalie's exact words. look at these masks, like we should all get one. Who's gonna be Pinocchio? And Bo said, Amanda. So, and like you said, Amanda heard it, and in her confessional, she said, I'm right here. But then when she goes to tell the story in front of the store to Kyle and Natalie, Natalie's like, Amanda's like, wait.

We Wine Whenever (20:42.972)
Right? Right?

Wendy (21:02.263)
You were there. And she said, yeah, I was there. But she didn't repeat the Pinocchio part.

Kelli (21:10.392)
All Natalie said was, Amanda said, did you hear Bose talk about a mask and say my name? And if you recall, Natalie said, yes, I did see that. She didn't say I heard that. She said, yes, I did see that. That's what she said.

Wendy (21:17.463)
Yes.

Wendy (21:22.476)
Yes, yes, I heard that.

We Wine Whenever (21:26.43)
See that, right.

Wendy (21:27.032)
she said that. But either way, she only admitted to Bose saying Amanda's name. She did admit it that it was in reference to the comment that she made about Pinocchio.

Kelli (21:33.0)
Yes.

Kelli (21:36.562)
Honestly, I don't even understand. All she had to say was, I said, there's the masks. Who's gonna be Pinocchio? And Bo said Amanda. That's all she had to say.

Wendy (21:45.112)
But she didn't.

She didn't want to do that. Yes, yes, but she didn't want to admit that. She didn't want to admit that she's the one who instigated it.

Kelli (21:56.479)
But she really didn't instigate anything. just, I mean, she didn't know Bose was going to say Amanda.

We Wine Whenever (22:00.841)
Hey, but-

Wendy (22:01.294)
She's the one that put out the snarky comment.

We Wine Whenever (22:04.404)
Yeah, Bose could have said it, anybody, or she could have just kept her mouth shut.

Kelli (22:06.782)
Anybody? Exactly.

Wendy (22:08.44)
She put that snorky comment out there because she was baiting Bose. She was baiting her. Like who else was gonna be Pinocchio?

Kelli (22:15.644)
don't think she knew she was gonna say Amanda.

Wendy (22:18.882)
Well, who else was she gonna say? Was she gonna say Dorit? Was she gonna say Kyle?

We Wine Whenever (22:23.315)
Right.

Kelli (22:23.39)
I don't know, but I don't, I mean, it was...

Wendy (22:24.546)
thinks that she's fake. Everyone thinks that Amanda's fake. Like that's the storyline is that everyone thinks that Amanda's not authentic and that she's fake. So if you say who's gonna be Pinocchio, it's gonna be Amanda. And Natalie didn't want.

We Wine Whenever (22:30.248)
right that Amanda's fake.

We Wine Whenever (22:38.386)
Right. But so why

Kelli (22:39.122)
This is the moment I realized this is why Natalie is not gonna be a housewife. Because this was her opportunity and she flopped. She flopped. That's all she had to say. And listen, maybe Wendy's right. Maybe she did bait Bo's. Maybe she did say, but listen, we don't know that. All she had to say was, yeah, I said, who's gonna be Pinocchio? Bo said, Amanda. She would have had beef with Bo's then, but listen, Bo said it. She's a big girl.

We Wine Whenever (22:44.5)
Oh, absolutely. Oh, it was a fail. was a fail. It was a fail. Yeah.

Wendy (22:44.726)
Yeah, Yes! Yes! Yes! 100 %! 100 %!

We Wine Whenever (23:03.902)
But I think that's a problem. Right, that's it. She's bad girl. Right.

Kelli (23:08.978)
She can handle herself. Natalie never had to say, I baited her, if that's the case.

Wendy (23:16.374)
No, all she had to say was, I said who's gonna be Pinocchio, but she didn't wanna say that because she didn't wanna own her part in it. And that's what was frustrating about this whole situation. And that's that.

Kelli (23:25.426)
Right. And that's that. And that's why you are a friend of Natalie.

We Wine Whenever (23:32.052)
to live.

Wendy (23:32.14)
And you won't ever be anything more than that. Because you can't own your part in it.

Kelli (23:34.822)
Nope. Nope.

We Wine Whenever (23:34.996)
Yeah. Right. And I don't know that I believe Bo said she don't remember saying it.

Kelli (23:43.663)
she remembers saying it.

Wendy (23:44.15)
I don't think she remembers. you think she remembers? You both think she remembers? I mean, it was seven hours prior. I don't remember what I said 10 minutes ago. You think she remembers seven hours prior?

We Wine Whenever (23:45.625)
come on. come on. come on.

Kelli (23:49.726)
Listen.

Here's the, maybe she doesn't remember, but her vehemently denying saying it.

Her not even saying to herself, maybe I said it.

Wendy (24:03.32)
The thing is...

Wendy (24:07.49)
They didn't give her the context. Nobody ever gave her the context. If they gave her the context, she would have remembered it, but they didn't give her the context. They didn't give it their context. I don't think she remembered it. I don't think she remembered it.

Kelli (24:10.866)
You're right, you're right. But, is a very smart woman. Rose is a very smart woman. She can't sit there and say, absolutely, I didn't say it. Maybe she doesn't remember, but she can't sit there and say, absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (24:19.304)
Yeah, I don't buy it.

Wendy (24:26.05)
That's what she said. No, that's what she said. I don't remember. She said, I don't remember saying it. And that's the thing. If they had given her the context, who's going to be the Pinocchio mask? yeah, I said Amanda. She would have owned it. But they didn't give her the context. They just said.

Kelli (24:43.282)
I'll be honest with you, I don't know if she would have owned it. That's what I'm saying. My opinions are a little different now.

We Wine Whenever (24:44.606)
They did say mask. They did say mask. They did say mask. I mean.

Wendy (24:46.69)
They said mask!

Wendy (24:51.63)
But there was other masks there, there wasn't only a Pinocchio mask.

Kelli (24:51.678)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (24:54.12)
Right, but that was the only-

Kelli (24:54.686)
But Wendy, if you had a conversation with somebody about a specific mask and they're talking about a mask, it wouldn't jog your memory to be like, shit, you're right, I did say Amanda. Bose is not stupid. She's a very smart girl. Maybe she didn't remember when they first brought it up, but I'm sorry, by the time they got to dinner that night, that woman should have remembered that she said Amanda's name.

We Wine Whenever (24:59.838)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (25:08.766)
She's not stupid. She's not stupid.

Wendy (25:23.974)
I

Kelli (25:24.486)
Wait, she could have asked a producer and a producer would have said, yeah, you said it.

She knew by the time they got to that bikini dinner, pool party dinner, that she said it.

Wendy (25:36.248)
that bikini dinner. Yeah, I don't think she did. I'm still standing by my thing. I feel like if they said the word Pinocchio, I know. I know. It's okay. It's all right. It's all right. We'll get through it. We'll get through it. I feel like if they said the word Pinocchio, she would have clocked it. She'd be like, my God, yeah, Pinocchio. Okay, yeah, I called Amanda Pinocchio because I think she's fake. Nope. I don't. I don't. I think it's too abstract.

Kelli (25:43.166)
Damn, Wendy. I can't take it, man. You are, it's too much.

We Wine Whenever (25:46.728)
Alright.

Kelli (25:56.959)
You don't think masks should have...

Kelli (26:03.9)
I think you're giving Bose way too much credit. Way too much credit. I think Bose has a thing with Amanda and that's that.

Wendy (26:07.308)
That's just me. This is the beauty of this. We can... This is the beauty.

We Wine Whenever (26:14.376)
And that's it, yeah.

Wendy (26:15.096)
Listen, I think they all have a thing with Amanda, but that's regardless. I...

Kelli (26:16.336)
And Bo's had a great first season. Everybody loves Bo's. So she's like, fuck it. I can say and do whatever I want.

Kelli (26:27.218)
That's what I think. All right, let's see how it plays out.

Wendy (26:30.4)
Okay, all right, so then they're in Florence and Kyle's like, okay, okay, there's Hermes, there's Prada, there's Bottega, Sutton says, no, Bo says, we're gonna have to split up, we're gonna have to split up. And Sutton is talking to Bo's and Jennifer and they are on their way to Dolce because Sutton has arranged for a private appointment for the three of them, but the whole store is closed and she couldn't get anybody else in there. That I don't get, but okay, all right.

I don't get that.

Kelli (27:02.162)
Well, what Bo said, she said the, well, yeah, I mean, that was my point. Bo says, the expectation of this is that you will spend as much money as they would have made if the doors were open to the public. Well, Bo's out of the three of them was the only one who walked out without a bag.

We Wine Whenever (27:03.24)
What do we know about famous rich people?

Wendy (27:06.766)
Rose didn't even buy anything, by the way. She walked out with nothing.

Wendy (27:22.686)
Absolutely, I said the same thing.

We Wine Whenever (27:23.565)
I... I wonder.

Kelli (27:29.832)
Did she buy something and have it shipped? Maybe she had something shipped directly to her house.

We Wine Whenever (27:32.324)
No, no, no, no. I think that there's...

Wendy (27:32.672)
No, what do you wonder? No, she didn't buy anything. We would have saw it if she bought something.

Kelli (27:37.874)
feel like we would've.

We Wine Whenever (27:40.35)
think that there's.

Wendy (27:41.048)
feel like Dolce & Gabbana is Bose's style. I'm gonna just say that.

We Wine Whenever (27:43.45)
No, I don't and I think that

Wendy (27:48.962)
Although when her and Jennifer came out in the same printed dress in different styles, I thought they honestly both looked fabulous. I did, but I thought they both looked fabulous.

We Wine Whenever (27:56.883)
Yes, I did. I kinda think, and I could be totally wrong, but I kinda think Boz was like, okay, close this door, give me the champagne, and I'm still not buying anything.

Kelli (27:57.311)
I I agree.

Wendy (28:11.691)
yeah.

Yeah, no, I agree with that. I totally agree with that. No, because I don't really think Dolce Gabbana is, I don't think that's her style. I don't think that's her style.

Kelli (28:16.2)
Really? On purpose?

We Wine Whenever (28:17.19)
Yeah, kinda.

Kelli (28:23.848)
I know, but my God, buy a pair of sunglasses. You're the one who said it. The expectation is.

Wendy (28:27.594)
No, no, no, no, but she didn't set the appointment and she's not conforming to that expectation. Nope, nope, she's not doing that.

Kelli (28:32.53)
Buy something for your daughter. Do you think they didn't know, so they didn't know? Like, Bose and Jennifer Tilly didn't know that Sutton had set this up?

Wendy (28:39.49)
Who didn't know?

Wendy (28:44.438)
I don't think they knew until she told them.

Kelli (28:46.928)
Okay, and Jennifer Tilly is just so cool. She's like, whatever, I'll buy whatever.

Wendy (28:50.572)
Well, Jennifer Tilly is Jennifer Tilly and she wants to match, she wants to get the purple glasses to match the purple dress and she wants to get the leopard print shoes and that's what she's gonna do because she can. Right? But I don't think it's Bo's style. I don't think it's her style. And she's not gonna just do it. Nope, she's not gonna do it for that. She's not the one who made the appointment.

We Wine Whenever (28:52.112)
Yeah, she, yeah.

Kelli (29:00.424)
Right. I mean, but Bose can too, obviously.

Kelli (29:06.184)
Right, and I get that, her being that she's the one who made the comment, right, but she made the comment that the expectation is. So.

We Wine Whenever (29:16.478)
But that's what I'm saying to you. I think it was a kind of, that is what the expectation is. And she was like, well, that might be your, right, that may be your expectation, but that doesn't mean that that's what I'm gonna do. Right, I'm gonna have my champagne and I'm gonna enjoy myself, but there's nothing really here that I wanna buy, so I'm not gonna buy it.

Kelli (29:27.368)
So she just wasn't gonna do it just to not do it.

Wendy (29:33.484)
I'm not conforming. I'm not conforming to this.

Kelli (29:33.502)
Okay, got it. Got it.

Wendy (29:44.834)
I'm not doing it. Right, I think I agree with you. I 100 % agree with you. I agree with you. So Kyle and Kathy and Erica are really looking for Bottega. Really looking for it. And we do see in Kyle's confessionals, she does get her Bottega bag that nobody else has. And it is a fabulous looking bag. I don't actually, do we know how much that, I don't even know if know how much that was, but.

Kelli (29:46.322)
Got it.

Kelli (29:49.95)
Okay. Okay.

Kelli (30:09.754)
It was, I really like, you know, me and black bags, but I really liked that bag. That was a nice bag.

Wendy (30:13.312)
I know. my god, it was gorgeous. It was, it was.

We Wine Whenever (30:17.714)
And it's kind of sad that she's so into the fact that nobody else has it. I want to just be glad that you're able to buy it at all. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I was just like, yeah, like, okay, what do want in high school? Just for God's sake.

Kelli (30:24.944)
Yeah, I thought the same thing.

Wendy (30:30.029)
that's interesting. I didn't think that.

Kelli (30:31.965)
Yeah.

Wendy (30:39.158)
No, it's so funny you guys are both saying that.

Kelli (30:39.25)
Well, it's very clear that at that level, know, Wendy and I just read Lisa Rinna's book and sort of cousin Gina, and there's a little, little bit of that in there as well. I think when you get to that level of wealth, that is what it becomes. And I agree with you, I think it's sad because to me, the whole point, like, I don't care, like, God bless both of you for everything you have. I just want what I want.

We Wine Whenever (31:00.094)
Yeah, like.

We Wine Whenever (31:06.504)
right.

Kelli (31:08.934)
You know what I mean? Like, Okay.

We Wine Whenever (31:09.172)
I don't care if you have it or not like if I have that money and I want it I don't know buy it I don't give a shit if anybody else has it

Wendy (31:09.591)
No, it's-

Kelli (31:15.748)
I don't care if you have it or not, yeah. But I agree with you, think it's sad that that's what you're

Wendy (31:19.306)
I see this totally different. No, but I see it totally different because I'll be, I know, I know this is why we do this together. We all have different opinions. So this is how I see this because this was my mindset when I was younger and growing up. I don't wanna have what everybody else has. I wanna have something different. I don't wanna be following the trend. I wanna be the trend setter. I don't want what the masses have.

We Wine Whenever (31:19.602)
It was just very, it was a very juvenile thing.

Of you do.

We Wine Whenever (31:30.398)
Good.

Wendy (31:49.15)
I want something different and it's not about the cost of it. And you guys are both thinking it's about the cost of it.

Kelli (31:53.417)
So I agree with you there, but I don't think that's where Kyle's coming from. I think that Kyle wants, I think that Kyle having something that nobody else has means that perhaps they're a little envious of her or they're looking, I totally do.

Wendy (32:09.578)
No, I don't see it that way. I so don't see it that way. Because that's honestly, like I said, that's how I feel. Like I don't want, like if everybody is on this one fad, I don't want that. I want something different. I want to be the trendsetter. I want something that other people don't have. I don't want to just be, you know, the sheep following everyone blindly. That's how I see it.

We Wine Whenever (32:33.768)
Yeah, I could, but I could, I could never, yeah.

Kelli (32:33.818)
Yeah, no, me neither, but if I like something and somebody else has it, I'm gonna get it. I'm not gonna not get it because somebody else I know has it.

Wendy (32:41.12)
Again, I agree, I'm not gonna not get it because somebody else has it, but I'm not gonna want it as much if everybody else has it. I'm gonna want something that is my own and is unique. I don't know, that's.

Kelli (32:46.15)
Yeah. Right. No, of course not. No, of course not.

We Wine Whenever (32:54.718)
Yeah, I only want what I like and I could give a rat's ass about... I could so, so, so, so, so careless. Careless.

Kelli (33:00.882)
Right, if somebody else has it.

Wendy (33:01.323)
if everyone has it.

Kelli (33:07.218)
Listen, when all of us have Kyle's wealth, we'll have this conversation.

We Wine Whenever (33:11.177)
Yeah. There we go. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (33:14.378)
Okay, I'm here for it. I'm totally here for it. And I'm gonna be go picking the weird thing that nobody else. my God, no, no, I don't actually I don't want to call her.

Kelli (33:17.426)
Me too. Let's manifest. Let's call Amanda and see how we can manifest that.

We Wine Whenever (33:22.13)
Let's call her. Yes, let's call her.

Wendy (33:30.488)
So then we see Kyle, Amanda, and Natalie, they're all heading over to the Bottega store. This is when Kyle says, while she's walking, I'm still processing what you said, and her, Natalie, and Amanda have that whole conversation about the Pinocchio thing. And then they get there, and Kyle said,

Wendy (33:54.838)
Like, before they got there, she's like, there's no, because Natalie said, think she was just being funny. And Kyle's like, there's no way you can spin that into a funny joke. I did think that this was odd. I think that the whole time that Kyle kept saying that this can't be funny was odd. Because even when Cathy said it in the car, Cathy's like, well, I mean, if she was just being funny, and Kyle's like, well, do you want to be the butt of the joke? I do think that Kyle was really riding hard.

for Amanda in this situation. And I don't know why. I'm sure you, I'm looking at.

Kelli (34:27.934)
Well, but think about the conversation that Sutton and Kyle had with Amanda that morning where they were like, you should basically be more angry with Dorit than you are. is, this is Kyle have, this is Kyle having a soldier as Dorit put it. I 100 % agree with this.

We Wine Whenever (34:41.62)
Stir stir stir. Stir stir stir.

Wendy (34:52.142)
Mm.

We Wine Whenever (34:52.606)
But-

Kelli (34:55.876)
I think Kyle wanted Amanda on the show because Kyle knew that she was Amanda's only alliance. Yes. And she can't say or do certain things because she's Kyle. She's beloved Kyle. And she wanted somebody to, I don't think she, I don't think Kyle is, I'm going to get heat for this.

We Wine Whenever (35:05.028)
Ally.

Kelli (35:26.458)
is as manipulative as LVP was when she was on the show because she was the, I mean, Bobby Fischer. But I think that Kyle has some ulterior motives with having Amanda on the show and she's gonna ride hard for Amanda because she wants Amanda to fall in line.

Wendy (35:47.406)
actually don't think you're gonna get a heat for that because I think a lot of people agree with you. I think a lot of, I don't agree with you, but I think a lot of people do. I personally don't think that that's the case. I think that, and you know, this is just me, I think that Kyle really was trying to be welcoming to Amanda and she felt like everyone was piling on her. That's what I think. And I know that...

Kelli (36:09.502)
But is it in Kyle's typical behavior to encourage someone to be more amped up than they are about a certain situation, like she was with Amanda and Dorit? I don't think it's in Kyle's personality. I don't think we've really ever seen Kyle do that. I mean, she was really pushing Amanda to...

be more angry at Dorit than she was at that when she, Sutton and Amanda were all sitting outside talking that morning. She was, I mean, really pushing her and pushing her. And then I know we'll get to it, but the way she was going at Natalie, mean, I don't know if we've seen this side of Kyle before.

We Wine Whenever (36:44.05)
Outside, absolutely she did. Absolutely she did.

she was pushing it.

We Wine Whenever (37:01.406)
But this is my question. Okay, so they're at the door of the store. Kyle brings up the whole thing. Natalie, tell me what you talking about before with the mask. If Amanda heard the exact conversation and if she heard everything other than just hearing her name, why did Amanda not turn around at that moment and say to Natalie, okay?

So it was when you asked about a Pinocchio mask and Bo said it was me. Why didn't she? It made no sense to me. Yes. Why didn't Amanda be like, you think just Amanda heard her name was her name. That's what I think too. That's what I think too.

Kelli (37:37.694)
Right.

Kelli (37:43.976)
Wait, why didn't Amanda say that? I don't think Amanda Heard Natalie asked the question. I think all Amanda Heard was Bo's say her name. So she doesn't know the context.

We Wine Whenever (37:59.061)
Because I was thinking to myself, okay, if she heard this whole conversation, why isn't she just calling it out that you brought up Pinocchio and both said my name and call me a liar?

Kelli (38:11.366)
Yeah, I don't think she heard Natalie ask that question. It was up to Natalie to clarify this and she did not. She dropped the ball.

Wendy (38:11.49)
That's so interesting because.

We Wine Whenever (38:15.217)
Okay.

Wendy (38:15.502)
All right.

Wendy (38:19.81)
Well, that's very interesting because I'm gonna go, I'm gonna like my, when I was watching that, that's what I said. was like, why don't, why do they not just say the whole Pinocchio thing? Like, why is that not ever said? Because even Kyle doesn't say it. Kyle kept saying to Natalie, what was so funny that Bo said Amanda's name? I'm like, why are they not saying Pinocchio? Because that's what it was in context to. It doesn't make any sense to me. Like, why was that never said?

Kelli (38:45.904)
Natalie was the only one who knew the context. I think Natalie was the only one who knew. Because the picture was like Amanda, Cathy, Kyle, like they weren't, I don't think they were close enough to hear Natalie have said who's gonna be Pinocchio, all they, well, all Amanda heard. And it was her name, so, know, yeah. Like if it were anybody else's name, she might not have clocked it.

Wendy (38:57.186)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (39:06.056)
Was her name. Okay, okay, now I'm getting it.

Wendy (39:06.658)
was her name.

Do you agree with that, Lori?

Do you think that that's true, Lori?

We Wine Whenever (39:14.508)
That's what I was thinking. That's what I was thinking. was thinking, okay, so Amanda just must have heard just her name. Because if not, why wouldn't you come out and be like, the whole, know, even later on, why wouldn't you be like, okay, Bose, the point is, you're calling me a liar. You're equating me with Pinocchio. You know what I mean? Like, what?

Wendy (39:36.876)
Right. You said I'm fake. Right.

We Wine Whenever (39:43.76)
It was never, no one ever really said that. So I'm thinking, well, why isn't no one saying this? I was like.

Kelli (39:49.065)
Well, if you remember, all of those masks had the long nose. It's not like there were different masks there. So Natalie even asking who's gonna be Pinocchio was kind of a stupid question because they were all Pinocchio-ish masks. So Amanda knows that Bose said her name. Natalie said something about masks. So Amanda's putting it together.

Wendy (39:49.25)
That's what I thought. That's what I thought.

We Wine Whenever (39:54.678)
Mm-hmm. A lot of them do, yeah.

Kelli (40:16.456)
that she said her name and there were Pinocchio masks. But I don't think at this point Amanda knew that Natalie had asked the question, who's gonna be Pinocchio?

Wendy (40:27.694)
So this makes sense to me what you're saying because that the whole time I'm watching it and even when they keep bringing it up over and over and especially at the end I'm like why is nobody saying Pinocchio like

We Wine Whenever (40:37.332)
saying Pinocchio liar, right?

Kelli (40:38.748)
because Natalie is not giving the context. Bo certainly isn't going to give the context. And

Wendy (40:40.174)
Right, it didn't make sense to me. Right, I don't think Bose knew it. I don't think, that's what I'm saying to you. I don't think Bose knew it. Cause I don't, if someone said to her Pinocchio, I think it would have triggered her to be like, yeah, I said that. But if you're just saying masks, okay, yeah. I mean, why would I say Amanda's name? But if you've said Pinocchio, then she would have remembered it. So I understand what you're saying now, Callie. I don't, I don't, but.

Kelli (41:04.08)
I still think the word masks should have triggered Bose to be like, shit, that's right. She asked who was gonna be Pinocchio and I said Amanda. But I also don't think that Bose would have admitted in that moment either. Because even on the after show, she kind of doubled down.

We Wine Whenever (41:13.608)
nice sentiment.

Wendy (41:18.68)
think she would've.

Wendy (41:26.03)
I didn't see that. You did?

Kelli (41:26.482)
I don't know. I saw a different side of Bose in this episode and I didn't like it.

We Wine Whenever (41:29.646)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (41:35.758)
I just think first of all, the fact that this episode was so much about the stupid damn Pinocchio mask, I... I mean, seriously, like we wasted an entire hour of our lives. And what did we get? Like, what did we get? We're not getting it back! Damn it.

We Wine Whenever (41:47.858)
Absolutely. Nothing.

Kelli (41:49.704)
will never get that hour back.

We Wine Whenever (41:53.32)
But it's just

Kelli (41:53.609)
People are saying that they're not happy with this season. I personally don't mind it, but people are saying they're not happy with it.

We Wine Whenever (41:56.519)
Yeah. Right. But I don't know, but I don't know why anybody thinks that it should just be something that's kind of blown off. If you fucking called me Pinocchio, I'd be pissed because you're calling me, because you're calling me a liar. Like nobody should be trying to be like, was she was just being funny? No, it's not, it's not funny. That's not funny. It's not funny. No.

Wendy (42:00.11)
Hmm.

Kelli (42:13.372)
Yeah, I agree. You're right.

Kelli (42:21.628)
No, you're right. You're right. Nobody wants to be called a liar. Or fake.

We Wine Whenever (42:26.568)
Right. I can see why they think she's fake. I'm not saying whether she's fake or not, but I'm just saying, I'm just saying I wouldn't dig it if somebody said it to me.

Wendy (42:32.866)
No, she is fake. I think she's fake.

Kelli (42:38.94)
Right. Right.

Wendy (42:43.872)
I don't know. I'll be honest with you. This is what annoyed me about this whole episode is that so much of it was about the stupid mask and the Pinocchio and how, who said what and who heard what. And you know, the camera doesn't lie. I'm like, what?

We Wine Whenever (42:50.014)
Panoa'kiu.

Kelli (43:00.904)
Well, you're right because if, you know, if somebody said, if somebody had said right away, it's like, if Woody would have went to the police right away, none of this would have ever happened. You know that Woody Woodpecker episode? I'm a huge Woody Woodpecker episode. But if somebody, so if somebody would have said, Bose, Natalie said, look at the masks. Who would be Pinocchio? You said Amanda. Okay, go.

Wendy (43:14.508)
Yes. Yes, I know exactly what you're talking about.

Wendy (43:30.446)
Right! Exactly! Right! Right!

Kelli (43:30.734)
It's like nobody said that. And that's why we had an hour long episode of it was like a threes company episode.

We Wine Whenever (43:33.48)
Right now, we're saying it.

Wendy (43:40.204)
It was bad. It was so bad. It was really bad.

We Wine Whenever (43:41.364)
was bad.

Kelli (43:42.374)
Yeah, this this probably was the worst episode this this season. Because of the Pinocchio mask.

Wendy (43:46.711)
Yeah.

I totally agree because of that whole Pinocchio thing. I get the fact that Bo said whether I said it or not, if she had a problem with something I said, she should have asked me at the time. I totally agree with that. I do agree with that.

Kelli (43:59.517)
Right. But you're right. Because in that moment, if Amanda had gone right, if what he have went right to the police, if Amanda had gone right to Bose in that moment and Natalie were standing there, it would have been instant.

Wendy (44:06.766)
Exactly. Right to Bose. Right.

Right!

We Wine Whenever (44:15.54)
But, say Amanda only did, what if Amanda only did hear her name? What's she gonna do? Go up to Bose and say, why'd you say my name? Like.

Kelli (44:18.408)
for making a show.

Kelli (44:27.346)
Yes, yes. I just heard you mention my name. What's the context? What are we talking about? I don't think there's anything wrong with that. It's gonna cause a little conflict, but that's why we're on a show, right? Yeah, no, you're right. You're right. If they would have done, if Boz is right, if Amanda would have went right to her in that moment, none of this would have ever happened. We would have been watching a whole different episode.

Wendy (44:27.51)
Yeah! Yes, say that!

Wendy (44:33.486)
What was it in reference to? What were you talking about? Right. Yeah, let me clarify it. Right. Right. Right. Oh.

We Wine Whenever (44:38.407)
We Wine Whenever (44:42.205)
Right. Right.

Wendy (44:50.348)
Yes. Right.

Wendy (44:56.622)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (44:57.78)
Not about Penoa.

Kelli (44:59.526)
Not about

Wendy (44:59.66)
Not, yeah, yeah, it's so true. So let's skip over that whole.

Kelli (45:03.378)
I'm to tell you something funny about Pinocchio. So you know in the story of Pinocchio, how he gets taken to the island of some, Pleasure Island. He gets taken to Pleasure Island. Exactly. And the.

We Wine Whenever (45:11.86)
to Epstein's Island.

Wendy (45:15.459)
Epstein Island. I actually don't think it's Pleasure Island either. I don't think that's it.

Kelli (45:23.282)
I think it might be. We'll fact check that. We'll fact check that. exactly. Lampwick is the bad boy that Pinocchio meets and they start shooting pool and they're drinking beer and they're smoking cigars. So when my kids were little and they used to sleep at my mother's house, my mother would like let them stay up late and give them candy and all that. And Eric used to call her Lampwick.

We Wine Whenever (45:24.51)
I think it might be that's how that's how messed up Disney can be.

Wendy (45:29.295)
my God, okay.

We Wine Whenever (45:33.684)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (45:49.423)
That's great.

Wendy (45:52.258)
That's so funny.

Kelli (45:53.086)
It's good stuff.

We Wine Whenever (45:54.324)
That's great.

Wendy (45:59.352)
Gosh, so they're done shopping. They're on their way back. Okay.

We Wine Whenever (46:03.912)
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Erica getting pissed at Dorit. I was like, I know that Dorit's annoying with her lateness and her blah, blah, blah, but I think there was like this weird thing. Like I think Erica was pissed that she couldn't buy nothing.

Kelli (46:12.349)
Yes.

Wendy (46:26.528)
No, I think she was pissed at she's continuously late and, and, you know.

We Wine Whenever (46:30.558)
But I mean, like, how... She's... The lady can't ring her up any faster. I mean, she's at the register.

Wendy (46:33.4)
I'd be pissed too. I was pissed, or her.

Kelli (46:38.214)
And she, wasn't like, I don't know, maybe.

Wendy (46:40.544)
No, she lost, wasn't she like... Wasn't she stumbling to get her passport or something? She asked her for something and she didn't have it.

We Wine Whenever (46:47.666)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (46:48.37)
Yeah, and the thing is, like, I don't know if production screwed up, but it didn't seem like it was taking that much, like, okay, they were walking out of the store and she was checking out. but unless they were waiting a half hour for her to be ready to check out, but production didn't show that to us. I'm gonna say something and Wendy's gonna think I'm crazy. I think Eric, I do think Erica's getting fed up with the whole Dorit being late thing.

We Wine Whenever (46:50.974)
But Erica didn't buy anything. Erica didn't buy anything.

We Wine Whenever (46:58.93)
Yep, that's what I'm saying. wasn't like...

We Wine Whenever (47:05.192)
Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (47:05.676)
No, they didn't show that, and honestly.

Kelli (47:16.104)
But Erica also likes to be in Kyle's good graces.

I think.

We Wine Whenever (47:22.426)
And then I thought, you know what, maybe Erica really can't buy anything because she's in a legal situation and you can't be dropping bills, buying shit when you're in a legal proceeding like that. But I was just like, I don't know. And I'm not like some huge Dorit fan. I'm not defending Dorit, but I was just like...

Wendy (47:22.744)
Meh.

Kelli (47:29.576)
She can't buy anything.

Kelli (47:37.49)
Those bankruptcy trustees have their eyes on her.

We Wine Whenever (47:51.357)
Really? Like, unless there's something production's not showing, I was like, just fucking leave then. Be like, alright, we'll see. Well, we're going to Woody Quilt, me to Sarah. That's all. That's what big girls do. Yeah.

Kelli (47:55.078)
Right. Right.

Kelli (48:00.671)
Well that's because the rest of them did that like even like Cathy went off on her own and was like I'll call you like the rest of them did that so it's not like

We Wine Whenever (48:06.772)
Yeah, that's all. That's what you do.

Wendy (48:08.578)
Well, that's what she said. mean, Erica said she'll find us, but I do think that there is more to it. And I do think that, you know, she even said like the night before I had to go get her when we're all waiting to go into the opera. Like she's annoyed. She's like at her wits end. They were waiting at the airport for her. said, Erica said she was stressed about the whole situation. Like Erica is up to here with Dorit being late and not taking accountability for it.

Kelli (48:20.86)
Yeah, that was, yeah.

Kelli (48:28.061)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (48:33.03)
Mm-hmm. Or not, yeah.

Wendy (48:33.186)
whether it's what's going on in her life or it's that she just can't get her shit together, she doesn't apologize for it, she's entitled, and she's aggravated. she doesn't respect other people's time. That's what it comes down to. I don't either.

Kelli (48:43.74)
And I don't blame her because I'm not the most punctual person, but that's like out of control how she is, Doree. It's like, it's how Lisa was on Miami. Thankfully not anymore. She got a time management person, but it's annoying. Like, I'm sorry. The fact that you even got glam to get on a plane to go to the Hamptons at 3 a.m. Like girl, nobody was waiting for you at that airport.

We Wine Whenever (48:50.676)
Yeah, it's totally out of control.

Wendy (48:56.706)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (48:58.782)
Maybe three needs your number.

Wendy (49:01.55)
She does.

We Wine Whenever (49:02.707)
Yes.

That's just stupid.

Wendy (49:05.686)
Right. Get your priorities straight.

We Wine Whenever (49:09.875)
Right.

Kelli (49:10.396)
And who cares if they were? You can't be seen without glam. Like now I feel bad for you. Right, throw some tinted moisturizer on, put some mascara on, and you're good to go. You got the fillers, you got the Botox, you're not that old, you'll be fine, exactly. It's not like me right now. I have nothing on.

We Wine Whenever (49:14.654)
Right. You can't do your own makeup. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (49:25.852)
Right, you're young enough. Yeah.

Wendy (49:31.031)
I-

We Wine Whenever (49:31.89)
Yeah, so some.

Wendy (49:33.664)
No, you don't need anything. What do you need? You're fine.

Kelli (49:35.902)
I don't even care. I'm going Pamela Anderson now

Wendy (49:40.312)
That's perfect. That's perfect. So they all do their shopping. We see all their totals, blah, blah, blah, in the words of Lori, blah, blah, In the car on the way back, they start talking about Amanda and Erica and Sutton and Bose are in the car and Jennifer. And it comes up about, you know,

We Wine Whenever (49:40.34)
way.

Kelli (49:41.822)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (50:08.63)
Erica's like, you know, it was really good how she explained last night about the cult. And Erica said, at least we have a story like at the how, the when, the where. And Bo's like, yeah, but we still don't know why she left. And then she's like, Erica said, well, let's ask chat GBT. I'll be honest with you. I just was like, we're going there? Like.

Kelli (50:30.364)
mean, what do you mean we don't know why she left? She felt like she was in a situation where somebody else was trying to control her. That's why she left. Whether you believe it's a cult or not, that's what her situation was. So she wanted to leave. Who cares why she left? She wanted to leave and she left.

We Wine Whenever (50:38.644)
Great. I don't know. She told you why she laughed.

Wendy (50:51.042)
Well, I will say that I saw online and I did check Google about this. Like there's a lot of people that think that she wasn't actually in a church cult, that she was actually in a rehab because of a DUI and that those rules that she was required to follow are rehab rules. And if you look, if you look on Google about that,

We Wine Whenever (51:04.968)
Rehab, yeah, I've seen that. Yeah, I've seen that.

Kelli (51:07.954)
Nuh-uh.

We Wine Whenever (51:15.87)
Yeah, I did see that.

Kelli (51:16.222)
That'd a little wild.

Wendy (51:19.65)
That is one of the theories. I, right? I do think that there's more to the story.

We Wine Whenever (51:21.692)
Yeah, I've seen that. Yeah.

Kelli (51:25.352)
So maybe somebody knows this, like a producer, and they're encouraging the girls to dig a little deeper. Wouldn't that make sense?

Wendy (51:36.002)
I don't think you have to dig that deep. I don't think you have to dig that deep.

We Wine Whenever (51:37.812)
Yeah, I don't think you have to. Yeah, like I don't think Durie did this big deep dive. It's it's all out there. It's all out there.

Kelli (51:42.97)
No, I don't either. But I'm saying maybe somebody encouraged like Erica to do the whole chat GBT thing.

Wendy (51:43.096)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (51:48.984)
Sure, you know they are.

Wendy (51:51.469)
Yeah.

So when they do the chat GBT thing, it comes up that there was no credible evidence that she was ever a part of a cult. What it says is, number of criticisms and controversies, multiple posts accuse her of misleading content, high prices, several users have raised concern about her branding and coaching style. That's her business.

That's when Sutton speaks up and said, listen, I don't like the bashing of the business stuff. And Erica and Bo's are like, girl, like, what are you talking about? I was like, I kind of agree with her. Like, if you don't agree with what she says, that's fine, but why are you bashing her business? Like, I know you chat GBT'd it, but this is her livelihood. And if she did that about you.

We Wine Whenever (52:49.436)
It would not be good.

Wendy (52:49.794)
What would she find? Right? But then Erica said, I've, I've chat, I've already done me. It says like, I might just call me Escobar. And I know, and Jennifer's like, I don't want to ask chat GBT. I was like, I don't want to chat GBT about me either. I don't know what it's going to say.

We Wine Whenever (52:58.77)
Yeah, I love her.

We Wine Whenever (53:08.851)
Right?

Kelli (53:10.846)
But now I'm kind of curious. I might do it when we log off. Ask ChatGBT about yourself.

Wendy (53:11.562)
I don't know. Okay.

We Wine Whenever (53:13.628)
Okay, well there you go. Yeah.

Wendy (53:18.189)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (53:19.604)
Hmm?

Wendy (53:20.696)
So.

Wendy (53:24.618)
We see Rachel and Dorit talking about like what they purchased and Rachel says, you know, she got this and she got that and she got the boys Gucci bracelets. And then Dorit tells Rachel that both said that Kyle said that she was concerned that she was manic. And Rachel's like, haven't you always been late? And Dorit's like, literally, and also is the spending money. Like don't talk to me about spending money. Like you have no idea what I spend. And Rachel's like, well, if someone called me manic, I would be.

Like, I would be bothered by that.

Kelli (53:55.39)
That was a bad word for Kyle to use. That was a really bad word for Kyle to use.

We Wine Whenever (53:57.703)
It was a bad word. And OCD was not a good word either. That she said that too.

Wendy (53:59.466)
They are not letting that go. They're not letting that go.

Yeah.

So then Dorit said, I think I'm going to come down for dinner later with my four Gucci bags and say, hey, I want to show everyone what I got. I was like, I mean, she didn't. Thank God.

Kelli (54:19.942)
Yeah, I liked when Rachel said your friendship just isn't working right now. And that's the best thing she could say. It's just not working right now. It's like any other relationship that you might have. Sometimes it just doesn't work.

We Wine Whenever (54:23.986)
Right, exactly.

Wendy (54:24.406)
Right. And it's not. It's not.

We Wine Whenever (54:27.474)
Yeah, this is not real.

Wendy (54:32.053)
Right, it's not, no, it's not working. So they get back to the house and Sutton's clothes finally arrive. And this, it was beautiful.

We Wine Whenever (54:33.266)
Right.

Kelli (54:40.752)
I love that wine color dress she wore. thought she looked very nice in that dress.

We Wine Whenever (54:43.346)
Yes, so pretty. Yes.

Wendy (54:47.19)
Yeah, I didn't realize it was a pool party until like Amanda's like you and I are going to two different parties. Bose did? You don't think Bose knew?

Kelli (54:51.506)
I don't think anybody else did either. Goh's did. She is fit.

We Wine Whenever (54:55.461)
boasted. Boasted. Yes, she is. She's looking good.

Wendy (55:00.908)
Have you seen her workout? Have you ever watched her workout on Instagram? my God. I have watched her workout on Instagram. She is a beast. I am not even lying. That, boy.

Kelli (55:01.489)
Damn.

Kelli (55:06.184)
No.

Kelli (55:11.39)
Really? Oh, I'm gonna follow her. I thought I did follow her, why don't I see it?

Wendy (55:17.526)
I don't know. I've watched her workouts. Holy shit. She is solid. She is solid and strong. 100%.

Kelli (55:27.624)
You can tell, man, she's really fit.

We Wine Whenever (55:27.634)
It's her.

Wendy (55:30.86)
She, 100 % is fit. I'm envious of her fitness, to be honest with you, as I sit here in my fluffy blanket.

We Wine Whenever (55:37.192)
Yeah. I love how people, they were asking Rachel Zoe, she has her bathing suit on, she's like, no, no, I'm not swimming.

Kelli (55:37.598)
Drinking.

Wendy (55:41.506)
Drinking.

Wendy (55:48.972)
No, and Erica's like, I can't get in the pool. I have to wash my hair. I don't know if there's chlorine in there. It might turn it green.

We Wine Whenever (55:56.393)
Right, right.

Wendy (55:58.126)
Jennifer's like, you're never gonna see me in a swimsuit, but you may see me get in a pool naked, but you're not gonna see me in a swimsuit. I was like, okay, Jennifer.

We Wine Whenever (56:04.222)
Right. She's so funny. He's great.

Kelli (56:04.264)
Yeah.

Wendy (56:12.118)
then you see Kyle's getting pissed. She's like, all right, where's the pizza? Like where's Dorit? Like, I don't blame her because when Dorit finally does show up, it's 11 PM. They haven't eaten dinner yet. Like these women are on, I don't even.

We Wine Whenever (56:23.806)
That's crazy. Why any- But why anybody waits around for her dumbass? I don't know. Just do what you gotta do and then yeah. She's gotta eat a cold? That's her problem. I would not be waiting. I would not be waiting to do anything. No.

Kelli (56:26.012)
I could never live like that.

Kelli (56:31.678)
I totally agree like serve the food dude. She's nice. She's nerve the food

Wendy (56:31.82)
I don't get it.

Kelli (56:39.304)
That's right.

Wendy (56:41.356)
I wouldn't either.

Wendy (56:45.218)
I wouldn't either and that's, I think that's where the tension comes in because they are waiting for her and she is holding them up. But I think that's all in production. I think that's on production. I think that they want to make everyone pissed off because it makes for good TV and they want people to be hungry and hangry. I mean.

We Wine Whenever (56:52.46)
You're enabling her. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Yep, yep, yep.

Kelli (56:58.258)
Yes. Yup.

We Wine Whenever (57:03.188)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (57:03.518)
I mean, this goes back to when Teddy was on the show and she did that weekend, you know, accountability weekend and Dorit was taking photo. Remember? This goes way back to then.

Wendy (57:11.863)
Yes.

Yes! Mm-hmm. Yes!

Wendy (57:20.77)
So the pizza comes out, Amanda's sitting there waiting for her gluten-free pizza. Everyone's eating, Amanda's still waiting for her gluten-free pizza. It finally comes. Bo's asked, like, how's everyone doing? And Rachel said, well, everyone's like, OK. And Rachel's like, well, I had a very hard personal day. And Jennifer's like, well, what's going on? She's like, well, some stuff with my kids and my ex. But I sort of threw it. Like, they're going to the Hamptons to see my family.

and then Sutton feels the need to say, I don't know why I, listen, I feel like this again was producers, like, because Sutton to all of a sudden jump in here and say, listen, I feel like there's a lot of like bits and pieces going around a lot of like rumors. And, we talked with Amanda and I said to Amanda and Kyle, said like this investigative investigatory thing.

I don't even think that's word. Is that a word? Invest... You do? All right. She said she would be pissed. I would be pissed also. But Doreen said like, by the way, little missy. Okay, well that was a little aggressive. And Cathy said, by the way, Nancy Drew, I love that when Cathy chimes in, it's just like, okay.

Kelli (58:20.808)
I don't think it does either.

We Wine Whenever (58:20.884)
I believe it's a word. I think it's a word. I do.

We Wine Whenever (58:33.044)
Yeah.

Kelli (58:41.168)
Yeah, I think that Sutton has called Dorit Missy in the past.

Wendy (58:47.182)
is that where it came from? okay. Okay, I was like, where's that coming from?

We Wine Whenever (58:47.282)
I think so. Yeah, I think so. So you're just throwing it back at her. Yeah, think the Missy is a Sutton thing. Because it's like a Southern thing. No, but I think you're right.

Kelli (58:48.689)
I think so.

Kelli (58:53.074)
I think so.

Kelli (58:57.842)
Yeah.

Wendy (58:58.485)
Okay.

Kelli (59:00.85)
I think so. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure.

Wendy (59:04.947)
Okay, that makes sense then, because I was like, where is this coming from? But that does make sense.

Kelli (59:07.014)
Yeah. Yeah, cause Dorit doesn't normally talk like that.

Wendy (59:11.028)
No, she doesn't. She doesn't. So Dorit said, when you turned up at Kyle's house and you put out your hand and like you said, like, you know, like, let's, let's squash this. And she's like, I want to give this a shot.

And she's like, then we started to move forward. And then I hear today that out of the blue, you're talking shit about me again. And so I was like, how am I talking shit about you? Oh, about the investigator stuff, like you did some investigations?

Then they go back and forth about this. So Sutton's like, how was I talking shit? And Dorit said, well, you said I did a Google deep dive. Sutton's like, I didn't say deep dive. And then they play it back. And Kathy said deep dive. Sutton's, Dorit said, it's called Google. Like when you watch it back, was like everyone said a little bit and piece of it, she's, Dorit's putting it all on Sutton. And that is not what happened. Like Sutton didn't say that.

We Wine Whenever (01:00:12.648)
Right, now.

Kelli (01:00:13.724)
No, Dorit said it's called Google. She did Google her.

Wendy (01:00:16.566)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (01:00:17.702)
And deep dive came out Cathy's mouth.

Wendy (01:00:20.418)
Cathy's mouth, right. But Dorit was putting them both together and putting it on Sutton. And that's not what happened. Like that's not how it happened.

Kelli (01:00:21.854)
Right.

Wendy (01:00:33.354)
Okay, and then Dorit's like, okay, well then what did you say? And said, well, I thought what was really bothering me was that she didn't have a reaction. And that's what Kyle was saying. This is where like you and I disagree. Because Kyle and Dorit, no, Kyle and Sutton were both saying that they thought Dorit was so upset because Amanda was so calm about everything that she wasn't having a reaction. So when I saw them sit down in the morning with Amanda, Sutton and Kyle,

We Wine Whenever (01:00:41.14)
There's a glitch in the universe.

There's a glitch in the universe.

Kelli (01:00:54.11)
It's just her.

Wendy (01:01:01.112)
They're like, why didn't you have a reaction to that? And that's when Amanda jumped in and said, listen, I have something to say. And Bose is like, yeah, let her speak. And Amanda said, you know, I resent the idea of being.

We Wine Whenever (01:01:10.674)
Okay, maybe we have to go out and come back in.

Kelli (01:01:14.014)
Well, listen, we're at an hour.

We Wine Whenever (01:01:19.86)
Yeah, let's ahead and wrap it up anyway.

Kelli (01:01:22.462)
We gotta wrap it up. We're gonna have to.

We Wine Whenever (01:01:24.308)
So you want to go back out and come back in? Yeah, okay, let's do that. I'll do end session for all, okay?

Kelli (01:01:29.854)
All right.