Traitors:The Pinky Promise That Cost $220,800

Wendy (00:01.07)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.379)
I'm Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:05.321)
and I'm Lori.

Wendy (00:07.362)
We are talking about Traders, season four, episode number 11. It is the season finale and it's called Leap of Faith.

We Wine Whenever (00:17.057)
Yeah, no, not fair.

Wendy (00:17.524)
I don't like the

We start out where we left off with them all outside standing around, outside around the coffin. And we immediately find out that Mark is the one who's been murdered. I had no idea like how he was gonna present it, you know, but he just blurted it out. Mark, you know, you were the one who's murdered.

We Wine Whenever (00:42.079)
Yeah. And you'd see Rob's arm around Johnny. That was like a bit much.

Wendy (00:49.58)
Yeah. And then Mark goes and he lays in the coffin and then Alan lights the ring of fire around the coffin, which I thought was a little... I thought so. I know.

Kelli (01:00.05)
That was a little crazy, wasn't it? He must've gotten out of that coffin. He must've gotten, they must've shut cameras down, he got out, and then they lit the ring of fire. I mean, the heat alone laying in that box, I think would've been too much.

We Wine Whenever (01:01.791)
I liked it.

Wendy (01:09.102)
That's

Wendy (01:14.015)
I was thinking.

We Wine Whenever (01:16.789)
It's cold there, girl. And it wasn't that long. It wasn't that long that he laid there. mean, they could have put him in the coffin, lit the rings of fire. He could have laid there for a couple of minutes. And then they turned the TV off, put the fire out and he gets, it's come out.

Kelli (01:18.952)
I know, but come on.

Wendy (01:32.398)
All right.

We Wine Whenever (01:34.291)
And how about Moira saying the majority of guys have cheated on her? That's horrible.

Wendy (01:41.902)
I mean, it is horrible, I don't want to say it, but it doesn't surprise me. Not because of her, I just think because of the species.

We Wine Whenever (01:47.585)
Aww.

We Wine Whenever (01:51.145)
Yeah, species is species. This is true. This is true.

Kelli (01:51.688)
I totally, totally agree with you. This was like a huge topic at the salon today. And we'll talk more about that when we talk about Beverly Hills. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, just the odds of men cheating.

Wendy (01:54.094)
you

We Wine Whenever (01:57.636)
This is Jim.

Wendy (01:57.964)
Was it?

We Wine Whenever (02:01.053)
the species of men? Yeah, well, you know how that goes.

Wendy (02:03.788)
Yes, yes.

We Wine Whenever (02:07.389)
Okay. Yeah, I got you.

Kelli (02:08.72)
and it has no reflection on who you are as the victim of the cheating.

We Wine Whenever (02:12.522)
No.

Wendy (02:14.894)
No, never, no, no.

We Wine Whenever (02:15.079)
No, no, no, no, because it's all about their insecurities. So.

Kelli (02:18.928)
Right, but when you've been cheated on, can't help but feel like, wasn't I enough? Right.

We Wine Whenever (02:23.431)
it's you. Of course. Of course. So I saw a social media thing where they said that they keep them very hungry at this Traders. Like there's very hungry. That's why we see like people like they're always like eye in the salmon because there's only two proteins at the breakfast. There's eggs and salmon. So that's why we see Rob like popping the eggs all the time. And there was a scene where Michael Rapaport was like had this

Kelli (02:33.234)
Keep them warm.

Kelli (02:38.374)
I could never go on this show.

We Wine Whenever (02:53.793)
the, uh, his plate up to his face and he was shoveling it.

Wendy (02:54.584)
Shoveling. Shoveling, yeah.

Kelli (02:56.524)
yeah, Wendy, you brought that up in one of the episodes, how he was like just piling the food in his mouth. And I think he brought it up in an interview.

We Wine Whenever (02:59.723)
Yeah. Yeah. So obvious. Yeah, they said that the.

Wendy (03:05.109)
He did. He said that that's how he eats at home. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (03:07.997)
Lord. But the food is quite scarce. There's really not a lot of food and they all have their own. They all do their own glam. There's like no glam allowed there and Rob's. Yeah. Rob's overalls and Natalie's that beige like body con kind of strapless dress. I saw another post who knows if it's true that those two items were like.

Kelli (03:18.3)
Yeah.

Wendy (03:19.939)
Yeah.

Kelli (03:20.952)
You could tell on a couple of them that they did their own glam.

Kelli (03:30.993)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (03:37.259)
from the show, like Rob and Natalie didn't bring enough clothes and they actually had to borrow those. they didn't, overalls didn't belong to him nor that beige dress, but I don't know if that's true. You know, there's posts.

Wendy (03:45.943)
Really?

Kelli (03:49.744)
That kind of surprises me that the overalls didn't belong to Rob. The dress with Natalie, okay, I could buy into that. But the overalls, mean, where are you getting overalls in Scotland?

We Wine Whenever (03:53.249)
Absolutely that right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I didn't like I said, I don't know. I don't know if that's true.

Yeah, I don't know. Maybe it was bullshit.

Wendy (04:04.792)
And it fit him. Like it was his, yeah, like his style, you know?

Kelli (04:05.03)
Yeah. For sure.

We Wine Whenever (04:06.389)
Yeah. exactly.

Kelli (04:10.15)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (04:10.997)
Yeah, so I don't know about that.

Wendy (04:14.19)
so the next, actually after Mark gets murdered, in his confessional, he says that he thinks he was murdered because he was closing in on the traitor and he has his money on it being Eric. I mean, he wasn't wrong, but he was completely right either.

Kelli (04:25.522)
He's right. Yeah, he was right.

We Wine Whenever (04:28.018)
you

Kelli (04:31.258)
It's still so surprising that yet like nobody pegged Rob at this point. Well, except Johnny. Johnny did. And then got Tara on it.

We Wine Whenever (04:37.556)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (04:38.135)
Yeah.

Wendy (04:45.08)
So Eric, know, Eric's, then they all, you know, they all go into the castle and Eric's like, somehow, I like tricked my way into the finale. Like in the morning, in the breakfast, he's the first one to come in for breakfast. And then Maura comes in and then Rob and the three of them are sitting there and they're talking about it. Like, who are we going to do? And they're, they're all like, I think we need to do Johnny first and then Tara. And you know, Rob says to Maura, like, you need to vote with us. Like it needs to be the three of us.

We Wine Whenever (04:54.998)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (04:57.085)
Yeah.

Kelli (05:15.399)
Yeah.

Wendy (05:15.854)
And I, listen, we see, we know, we've said this from the beginning, like Rob is a very good trader. And I think he, like, he played a perfect game. He played a perfect game. He did.

We Wine Whenever (05:29.877)
Yeah. Yep.

Kelli (05:30.152)
He deserved to win. He totally, 100 % deserved to win, especially when he jumped out of that helicopter and swam in that lock.

Wendy (05:40.448)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (05:40.597)
I gotta tell you something about that. I felt like he wasn't swimming that fast. was like, production must have been like, you know what? Like we got all these fireworks together and everything. Like you're getting this money. We're just gonna make it look like you swam fast enough to win. Cause it just didn't seem like, like, I know.

Kelli (05:41.832)
He just did.

Kelli (05:57.948)
Think about what he was wearing though. He was in that whole getup. Like there was like a vest on him I think. Like he was probably weighed down with that. Plus it was freezing, the water was freezing.

We Wine Whenever (06:03.841)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (06:03.853)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (06:09.321)
Maybe. don't know. Yes. Yeah. I don't know. But him swimming, I was like, he's never going to make it. Like he's not go faster.

Wendy (06:09.698)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (06:14.813)
Yeah.

Kelli (06:18.44)
You know what I, well, I'll wait, I mean, we're talking about it already, but you know what I was surprised at? Like, nobody met him at the dock. Like, I would've thought somebody would meet him at the dock, grab what he had and go put it in the chest, you know? He had to do it. Yeah.

Wendy (06:20.183)
I know.

We Wine Whenever (06:32.351)
No, guess he had, I guess the gig was he had to do it. Yeah.

Wendy (06:35.744)
Yeah. So Alan comes in and he announces that there's $180,800 in the prize pot at this point. And that there's one last mission that 18 players have been killed so far or vanished, know, banished along the way. And he says, I'm going to need two volunteers when they're, you know, just before the mission.

and they don't know what they're volunteering for. So Maura and, well, the helicopter comes around and then Maura's like, I volunteer. And Rob's like, yeah, I volunteer. So initially they didn't, but then when it turns the corner, they know that they're gonna be in a helicopter. But what they need to do is this challenge is about the people that have been banished or killed. They have to be able to answer questions about them.

Kelli (07:07.78)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (07:29.79)
I have to tell you, I think that they did such a great job with that too. yeah, I thought, I mean, I guess, you know, we've been watching this for weeks now and they were there 11 consecutive days. So it was, it was different. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Right.

We Wine Whenever (07:33.493)
Yeah, they did. Me neither. Nope.

Kelli (07:34.054)
I wouldn't have remembered those answers.

We Wine Whenever (07:42.985)
Yeah, so it made sense for them to. And that's all, this is all they were doing. They weren't like doing the dishwasher and going to work and.

Kelli (07:43.142)
Yeah, it was fresher in their mind. Yeah. Right.

Managing everyone else's lives, working, laundry, watching three different shows and doing podcasts on them.

Wendy (07:52.014)
Exactly. Right.

We Wine Whenever (07:54.913)
Yeah, where's my glasses? I'm going to be late for school. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah.

Wendy (07:59.01)
Yes.

Wendy (08:02.542)
Exactly. It was fresh in their minds. So what's going to happen is the two of them are going go up in the helicopter. The other group of people are going to race down the river in the pontoons and there's going to be chests there. And they need to answer the questions that are in the chest.

Kelli (08:06.056)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (08:07.254)
Yes.

Wendy (08:28.238)
If they answer the question correctly, they were going to win a sum of money. They could possibly win $20,000. So what happens is that their helicopters flying over, they have these floats that they need to drop down with the answers on them, right? The floats have dollar amounts on them. One float is $500. One float is $3,000. One float is, is it 7,500 and 9,000?

Kelli (08:58.152)
9,000, I remember that one.

We Wine Whenever (08:59.735)
Yeah, nine thousand.

Wendy (09:00.236)
Yeah, 9,000. So when they're over the question, they read the question, the other four are sitting around deciding what the answer is and they're radioing that information to them up in the helicopter. They have to decide how confident they are that they know the answer to the question because they have to decide which dollar amount they're going to drop. So the first question was, who was the last

person to put into the, that was put into the grave at the first mission. And they, they guessed Mark and they dropped the $500 one. Cause they weren't, I guess, you know, that was the first one and they wanted to be cautious.

Kelli (09:41.49)
think that was smart to do for the first question. Like, see how, like, see how you're vibing? Like, from the helicopter dab? Like, I think that was a smart bet. Cause they wound up winning all of them, right? They got all the questions right. So that was good.

Wendy (09:44.514)
I do too.

We Wine Whenever (09:45.083)
yeah.

Yeah, yeah, I know.

Wendy (09:48.238)
Yeah. Yeah. I do. Yes. They got all the questions. Yeah. Yeah. The next question was who was the player opposite the murderer player at the Black Banquet? And they said Colton and that was the $9,000 one. Which player?

We Wine Whenever (09:50.421)
Yeah. And that's good. Yeah, they got all the questions. So that's awesome. Yeah.

Kelli (10:11.218)
Yeah, they really went for it. I mean, they went from playing it safe to risking it.

Wendy (10:15.084)
Saved, yep.

We Wine Whenever (10:17.356)
Yeah, to where it's going to get them all.

Kelli (10:19.933)
Yeah.

Wendy (10:20.098)
Yep. Which player started? It ended on a shield thrown at the second mission that they got two shields and it was Caroline and they guessed that and that was $3,000. Yeah. Yeah. And then which housewife has received the most overall votes? And that was Lisa. Yeah.

Kelli (10:34.844)
They knew that right away. They all said it right away.

Kelli (10:42.952)
I mean, we all knew the answer to that.

We Wine Whenever (10:45.077)
Yeah, right.

Kelli (10:46.792)
Although, well no, because she was up twice, I think that's why. Because Portia, I mean that was almost like a unanimous vote when Portia was up.

Wendy (10:54.518)
Yeah, and she was on the longest too. So they bank the $20,000 and then there's still five minutes left to the challenge and Alan announces that he's stopping the clock. There's actually five minutes and 20 seconds and that they can double the 20,000 to 40,000. The final buoy is in the lock. So somebody has to jump out of the helicopter.

Kelli (10:57.296)
Right, Lisa was, yeah, Lisa was on longer.

Wendy (11:21.614)
into the lock, get the final buoy and swim it up to where they're at. And there's five minutes and 20 seconds left to do that. And Maura's like, I can't swim. Like, I can't do that. Right. So Rob, you know, he does it and he gets the $20,000, the extra 20,000. And now their total is $220,800, which is awesome because I think it was 250 was their

Kelli (11:31.836)
Yeah, she said I can't swim.

We Wine Whenever (11:33.663)
Yeah.

Wendy (11:50.616)
possible total that they could have won?

Kelli (11:52.007)
Yeah, 250 was the potential and they got 120,800. So that means they missed 20,200 somewhere along the lines. It's not bad. I mean, it's 10%, but it's like, you know, it's not terrible.

Wendy (11:55.627)
Right.

Wendy (11:58.924)
Yeah.

Yeah, which is not bad. Right. Right.

Yeah.

No, and I think most of it was in that one game where they were throwing it too, where they kept giving the, they were naming the same person for all the times.

We Wine Whenever (12:20.065)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (12:20.358)
Right. Yes. Yes.

Wendy (12:21.772)
that I think they lost a lot of money in that challenge. speaking of that challenge, you know what I heard is that there was music playing in their boxes. that, yep.

Kelli (12:24.614)
Yep. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (12:31.841)
that's smart. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, I like it.

Kelli (12:33.192)
that makes sense. That makes a lot of sense. Cause like I said, at the one point Rob like hopped over the box, like landed on the ground. It's like, all right, have the people next to you not hear you do that. That makes a lot of sense.

Wendy (12:37.996)
Yeah, so they couldn't hear.

We Wine Whenever (12:47.606)
Yeah.

Wendy (12:48.119)
Yeah.

Okay, so then he announces that very shortly you're going to face your final roundtable. So what's different about the final roundtable is that the person that gets banished, we don't find out if they're a traitor or faithful.

Kelli (13:05.394)
That was a twist.

We Wine Whenever (13:06.593)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (13:07.274)
Yeah, so Morris sits down with Eric and she said she feels good with all of them. Rob said she's, you know.

Wendy (13:21.868)
Rob, and then Rob talks to Maura and Rob says, after watching him talk to Eric, Maura is definitely lying to one of us. He's like, because she said to me the same thing that she said to Eric. Like he was starting to question her at that point, which I thought was interesting.

What did you think about that?

Kelli (13:46.025)
I don't think there was ever a doubt in his mind that Mora was gonna, I think he just said that. I think that Mora knew Rob was a traitor and she just went along with it. I think she's a very bad actress and 100%. And I think he promised her that Birkin bag very early on in the game.

Wendy (13:49.612)
You think he just said that?

We Wine Whenever (13:58.767)
you do?

Wendy (13:58.86)
You do. I don't. You do.

We Wine Whenever (14:06.623)
You just help me get to the end and I'll give you a little something something.

Kelli (14:10.748)
Okay.

Wendy (14:11.092)
Okay. Okay, so,

So, and then Eric is talking about, you know, this is very scary because there's, you know, the Love Island two and Johnny and Tara are together and he's like out there kind of by himself. He thinks that there's two traders left, there's five people. So I know 99.9 % it's not Tara. I was like, okay.

Wendy (14:45.528)
Tara talks to Maura and she says to her, you know, no matter what happens, like, love playing this game with you. And they both said, you know, ditto, like, they both agreed that they enjoyed playing the game together. I did, I actually thought that Maura might've gone with them. I did, I thought that Johnny and Tara might've swayed her.

Kelli (15:03.684)
I thought Mora was gonna vote for Eric.

Wendy (15:07.85)
I did too. I did too. I was surprised.

We Wine Whenever (15:12.897)
And I felt like when, I know I'm going backwards, but when they did that helicopter challenge, I felt like Robin Moore were like on a date in helicopter.

Kelli (15:23.176)
She said something, what did she say? And he said, I can give you something hot.

And she was like, oh, Rob. I'm like, I think they banged. I'm pretty sure they banged.

We Wine Whenever (15:35.707)
Who knows? Who knows? But you know, on Peacock, Rob does a kind bar commercial.

Kelli (15:44.328)
Really?

I haven't seen that.

Wendy (15:47.537)
Wendy (15:52.248)
So then Rob says at the round table to Tara and Johnny, which I thought was a kind of an interesting twist. He said, wouldn't it be interesting if Alan had picked one of you, Tara or Johnny, and that you had a lie to your best friend, that one of you was the traitor? I thought, well, that's an interesting concept. And then all of a sudden, it's time to vote.

We Wine Whenever (16:05.281)
yeah. Yeah, very smart.

Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (16:15.933)
I was kind of thinking, ooh, what if he like does a move where like he picks Eric and gets him out of the way? Yeah, I was wondering if he was gonna do that. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (16:21.734)
Right.

Yep. Yeah. I wouldn't have been surprised. Because I didn't watch the show until today, but unfortunately, you know, I saw things on social media, so I knew how it ended. So I was playing all these scenarios in my head as I was watching the finale, which by the way, I do think was dragged out. I think we could have, I think this could have been a half hour episode, but I get it. I get it.

Wendy (16:25.325)
Who, Rob?

We Wine Whenever (16:40.767)
you did.

We Wine Whenever (16:45.131)
was so funny.

yes, most definitely. Yeah.

I did think that Eric finally did do a good job at the round table though. Like he finally, I was like, and I was thinking to myself, and I could kind of tell Rob was kind of like, like, cause you know, you see Rob doing like, he's got tells. Like when he did this, when Eric was talking, I was like, Rob's like a little bit nervous. you know, where did this error come from? Like, did he like?

Kelli (16:58.271)
I agree.

Kelli (17:05.404)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (17:20.907)
Did Eric just play this nervous part kind of thing, you know?

Wendy (17:27.64)
So when it comes time to vote, Eric is the first one to vote. And he votes for Johnny. Then Johnny votes for Eric. And then Rob votes for Johnny. And then Tara votes for Eric. And then Maura's left. And I rea-

We Wine Whenever (17:44.405)
Who did you think? Did you think she was gonna vote for Eric?

Wendy (17:47.551)
I thought she was going to vote for Eric.

Kelli (17:48.008)
I thought it was going to go either way, but I wouldn't have been surprised if she voted for Eric. Because I really thought Tara got to her.

We Wine Whenever (17:49.384)
I did too!

Okay.

Hmm. Cause for, yeah, for a second I was thinking.

Wendy (17:56.737)
I thought you

I thought they did too. I thought that they really bonded. I thought that Maura was really, you know, listening. I did. I just had that feeling, but I guess I was wrong.

We Wine Whenever (18:08.104)
Right. there was a second when Maura and Rob were in the kitchen and he picked her up and swung around everything. And there was a second where I was like, like maybe Maura and Rob have been working together since the beginning. And like, maybe he's going to split it where there was like, there was a minute where I was like,

Kelli (18:08.4)
Yeah, it's the power of the D though. The power of the D.

Kelli (18:25.256)
saying.

Wendy (18:34.968)
So Johnny's banished, he hugs Tower before he leaves, which, you know, I was glad that he did that.

So then Alan announces if you believe that there's a traitor left that you need to banish them. And he sits down with each of them and he talks to them and just kind of has like a little sit down, which was fine. That's what we didn't need. Like we didn't need that little sit down. Like that, we didn't need that. Then the final four, they show, they all show up. I loved the way that they were all dressed except for Rob shows up with the.

Kelli (19:03.56)
No. No.

Wendy (19:11.65)
with the overall and the one strap down. No, everybody else looked great. Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (19:12.297)
Yeah, no. Yeah, he could have no Because he's a hot he's a hot boy. He could came out looking fine and fly something other than his he haul shit Yeah, or wait button down like yeah. Yeah, stop with the he-haw like stop we get it get the shtick

Kelli (19:21.105)
Even just jeans and like a white t-shirt like would have been better than

Wendy (19:29.035)
Right, right.

Kelli (19:30.952)
You like to wrestle snakes? We get it. We got it.

Wendy (19:32.396)
Yeah. Yeah, I was disappointed in his outfit. Everyone else looked fabulous, I thought. So then they each get a card and that card says end game or banish again. And what they do is they all four still thinks there's a traitor.

We Wine Whenever (19:32.875)
Yeah, we get it, get it.

We Wine Whenever (19:38.571)
Yes.

Kelli (19:38.662)
Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (19:56.802)
They all still think there's a traitor. So they vote. Eric votes for Tara. Tara votes for Eric. Rob votes for Tara. Maura votes for Tara. Tara's banished. So now Tara's gone. Now they have to choose

We Wine Whenever (19:58.314)
Of course.

Kelli (20:24.464)
Now they can all three end the game. So you know what Eric's thinking. We did it. Eric's thinking we did it.

We Wine Whenever (20:27.231)
Yep, and they choose not to. Yeah, we did it, yeah.

Wendy (20:31.596)
Right. Yep.

But Rob and Maura say, no, we don't want to end the game. So they have to vote again. So now Eric votes for Rob. Rob votes for Eric and Maura votes for Eric. And Rob and Maura are still standing. And Rob wins.

We Wine Whenever (20:54.729)
And Maura thinks that, right, and Maura thinks that Rob is a faithful just like her and that they were going to split this. Moolah.

Wendy (21:03.93)
Yes, yes, because well, I thought looking at her face, mean, she, I thought she did.

Kelli (21:05.842)
Did she?

We Wine Whenever (21:07.061)
You really think that? I thought she looked... I thought she looked surprised. I don't know, maybe I'm being gullible like Wendy always is.

Kelli (21:08.84)
Yeah, I do.

Kelli (21:15.694)
I know. Uh-uh. I think she knew.

Wendy (21:16.298)
I know you maybe maybe having fun you I did.

We Wine Whenever (21:18.84)
You think so? I don't think she did either. I'm with you on this one,

Wendy (21:22.658)
Rob said it. I've always been a traitor the whole game. She's so shocked. I'm like, I'm so stupid. She said like you pinky promise. she really, thought, I mean, even when she came in on the reunion.

Kelli (21:33.608)
Stupidest line ever But you pinky promise there's 220k on the line and But you pinky promise

We Wine Whenever (21:36.558)
Killing.

Wendy (21:36.994)
The picky promise?

We Wine Whenever (21:42.335)
Right. Right. And I met you two weeks ago and you pinkie problems. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. Yeah.

Kelli (21:46.704)
Right, right.

Wendy (21:50.35)
All right. I'm gullible. I'm gullible. So that's the, I mean, that's the end of traitors. So then the reunion starts right afterwards and Andy is wearing the Rob overalls. Did you see that?

Kelli (21:59.817)
didn't realize. Andy what?

Wendy (22:05.186)
The reunion starts, like right afterwards, and Andy's wearing the Rob overalls.

We Wine Whenever (22:10.017)
Well, first he has on a trader's cloak and then he whips it off and he has on the overalls. It's funny.

Kelli (22:10.674)
I

Wendy (22:14.86)
and he's got on the overalls with its, yes.

Kelli (22:16.978)
I was listening to it because I finished the episode that I was trying to eat before we came on so I was just listening to it so I wasn't watching. That's funny.

We Wine Whenever (22:24.927)
Yes. So that was funny.

Wendy (22:26.304)
Yeah, I thought it was funny too.

Kelli (22:27.826)
That's very funny.

We Wine Whenever (22:29.141)
Yeah.

Wendy (22:31.51)
You were going to say something else, Kelly? sorry.

We Wine Whenever (22:31.559)
And then, who me?

Kelli (22:33.574)
I know, I forgot. I forgot. I was, you're right. I totally forgot.

I didn't realize Excuse me that if two people were left and one was a traitor that that was it The traitor wins and the faithful gets nothing. I didn't realize that because I had never watched the show before

We Wine Whenever (22:49.791)
I didn't know that either.

Yeah, me neither. Yeah, me neither. So on the after show, Lisa Brenna says that there's a meme of her when they were in those cages that says, when I'm waiting to get off work. So I'd never seen that meme, but I thought that was funny.

Wendy (22:56.237)
Yeah.

Kelli (23:01.287)
Yeah.

Kelli (23:06.728)
I didn't either. Yeah.

Wendy (23:10.83)
So then after Andy comes out with the overalls, he actually does come out on the reunion stage with like the real, not the overalls, like real clothes. And he says that this season of Traders was 20 % gayer than any other season. I was like, where did that come from? Right?

We Wine Whenever (23:10.909)
and

Kelli (23:19.56)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (23:32.159)
Okay.

Kelli (23:32.37)
That's pretty funny, but there was a decent number of gay men on this show. There were more gay men than straight men, right?

Wendy (23:38.199)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (23:40.278)
Yes.

Wendy (23:41.508)
I think there was, but I was surprised that, you know, we got a number there.

We Wine Whenever (23:42.731)
Yes.

Wendy (23:48.558)
And then Andy asks Rob if he thinks that like he if he feels like he outsmarted everyone and Rob's like no I think I just got lucky and Then we find out that Rob has promised to buy her a Birkin more a Birkin

Kelli (24:02.78)
Right. So why would he do that? Because he felt bad?

We Wine Whenever (24:08.875)
Maybe.

Wendy (24:10.24)
Maybe, and maybe he really did like her. But he has a girlfriend now, and he didn't have one. No, it's not, and he didn't have one when he was in the castle, because that was a long time ago now at this point.

We Wine Whenever (24:13.761)
Yay, he does. No, it's not Mora.

Kelli (24:15.111)
and it's not Mora.

We Wine Whenever (24:21.651)
Yeah. I saw the girlfriend do a post. Yeah. I was like, not, it's not what I would have expected. She looks like a teenager. So I don't know. And Candice was definitely like, pest. She, she was pissed. She took it way too serious. You know, she was like, well, if you just wanted the game for yourself, you should have said so. okay. That, that would have been a brilliant idea for Rob to tell Lisa.

Wendy (24:25.502)
you did?

Wendy (24:35.16)
She was pissed, yeah.

Wendy (24:48.248)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (24:50.643)
And you that he just wants to get, what kind of dumb shit are you saying?

Wendy (24:55.948)
Rob admits that voting Colton out for him was pivotal.

Kelli (24:56.04)
Right.

Wendy (25:01.706)
Lisa thinks that the banquet was the most iconic moment on the show. I kind of agree. think the banquet was pretty iconic.

Kelli (25:11.469)
yeah, yeah.

Wendy (25:13.378)
Jason Kelsey is the one who got Donna into traitors. That's why she was on the show her son. Yeah

We Wine Whenever (25:19.211)
That's what she went on. Yeah. And, more said she's never been more speechless in her life than when she found out about Rob. And then she was like, I'm so stupid. somebody said, no, you're not stupid. And then Candace, she goes, perhaps it's a lesson in discernment. was like, shut up. It's like a game of deception. Don't be like making that girl feel dumber. Stop it. And

Wendy (25:43.278)
So Andy says that there was undeniable chemistry between the two of you to Robin Moore. Was there ever a moment in the castle where you were crushing on each other? And Moore said, no, we are generally just friends.

We Wine Whenever (25:55.381)
But that whole moment between them was very, it was very awkward when she was, it was awkward. I was like.

Kelli (26:02.588)
There were plenty of moments where it looked like they were crushing on each other. Let's be serious.

We Wine Whenever (26:05.011)
Yeah, I don't know about that. Yeah, it just, it seemed like there was something going on, but now he's got a girl and she's trying to be like, no, I don't know. It just wasn't vibing for me. I thought Dorinda looked really good though. At the reunion show. You didn't like it? I liked how she looked. Now this was, this was weird. Okay. So Candice says that Colton told her.

Kelli (26:17.576)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (26:21.422)
I know, I didn't like her hair the way she had it. I didn't.

We Wine Whenever (26:34.229)
that Rob told him that she was a traitor. Those were the exact words, because I rewound it and watched it three times. Then they're talking back and forth. And then Rob says, are you saying that I told Colton I was a traitor? Which is not what Candace said. Candace said the opposite. And then...

Wendy (26:43.97)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (26:56.263)
Rob said that.

We Wine Whenever (27:07.265)
Yeah, she said it again and Rob says it again and he says, why would I risk and tell Colton that I'm a traitor? But it was weird because that's not what Candice said. Candice said that she was, that he said she was the traitor. Yeah, so I was like,

Wendy (27:19.344)
And then call.

a traitor.

Kelli (27:24.1)
No, think, I think can't, I didn't watch, I didn't get to see the full reunion. So I don't know exactly what Candice said, but remember when Colton went to Lisa Rinna and said, I know you're a traitor. So you protect me in the turret. I protect you at the round table. I think Rob did that with Colton and maybe that's what Candice was saying to him. But is that not what Candice was saying to him? Okay.

We Wine Whenever (27:38.676)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (27:46.282)
No, no, because I wrote it down. I wrote it down too. I have, Candice has a question for Colton. You said to me, Rob told you I was a traitor, meaning her. And Colton said, I was working with Rob. I thought we were both faithfuls. That's what Colton's response was to Candice when she said that to Colton.

We Wine Whenever (27:47.709)
now it was weird

We Wine Whenever (27:56.329)
Right! Yes!

Kelli (27:59.081)
We Wine Whenever (28:11.425)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (28:12.492)
He said, I thought, know, Rob and I were working together, but I thought we were both faithfuls. And then Lisa asked Colton, what did you mean when you said to me, I wanted to take, I wanted to take me hostage as a traitor? Lisa said, I think it's an interesting word to use, hostage. Colton said, well, you were in the turret and you said you wanted to slit my effing throat. Well, you didn't know that until you saw it on, you weren't in the turret with her.

We Wine Whenever (28:42.857)
Right. Plus there was a huge, there must've been a huge part of this reunion that got cut out because remember, supposedly he stormed off and I think, I think Candace and I think Candace and Lisa probably both went after him housewife style about the stuff with his girlfriend and the stalking and the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They probably like, they probably were at him like a fucking chihuahua. They were at him like a chihuahua.

Wendy (28:49.698)
There is. definitely was. He walked off. Yeah. Colton.

Kelli (28:53.148)
Who did?

Wendy (29:00.92)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (29:04.375)
Yes.

Kelli (29:04.494)
I think she did, I think Lisa did. I think it was out there that she did. So they cut that out.

Wendy (29:08.013)
Yeah.

Wendy (29:11.842)
We didn't, yeah, we didn't see any of that. The only part we saw was that little part about Lisa saying the hostage and then him coming back with the response about, said you wanted to slit my effing throat in the turret, which again, he only knew that after he saw it on the show, because he wasn't in the turret.

We Wine Whenever (29:12.673)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (29:29.663)
Right. Yeah.

Wendy (29:32.814)
I do think that, I honestly think.

Kelli (29:33.852)
Yeah, but when did they film this reunion?

Wendy (29:37.164)
They filmed it, no I know, they filmed it a couple weeks ago. But they saw the whole, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course they see everything before they film the reunion.

We Wine Whenever (29:37.217)
I don't know.

Kelli (29:41.736)
So he would have seen that episode.

Wendy (29:49.73)
Just like any reunion, know, they get, yeah. I mean, we're used to seeing housewives reunion. This was not a housewife reunion. This reunion was really honestly pathetic because I didn't like where they were doing all those like fake shows, like the Highlands, like Love Island. You know what I'm talking about? And then they did another one. No, I didn't like it. No, no.

We Wine Whenever (29:50.069)
Yeah. So I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (30:07.181)
I thought they were cute. I thought those little things were cute. Yeah, yeah, I thought they were cute. You didn't like them? I'll tell you, Michael Rapaport sounded like an absolute ass. An ass bag on that. just an ass. Just out of control about anything that he talked about. He was just, I was just like, my God, you need to just like shut up. Just shut up. Just shut up. was bad.

Kelli (30:07.366)
Right.

Wendy (30:18.286)
He did, he did.

Kelli (30:18.482)
Really?

Wendy (30:22.082)
He did. He just...

Kelli (30:22.6)
About what?

Kelli (30:26.61)
haha

Wendy (30:30.068)
No, he was very aggressive. He kept saying, I'm talking, you're not talking. Clip, clip, I'm talking, you're not talking. And Andy was getting mad. He was trying to control the reunion. But Andy was really getting mad. And Andy even said, this is not a housewife reunion to him. He said, this is not a housewife reunion.

We Wine Whenever (30:37.909)
Yeah, everybody was getting mad. Yeah, it was bad. And I loved, right, right. I loved, and Johnny came back at Natalie, because Natalie was getting pissy too. Natalie was getting pissy and she was getting pissy with Johnny Weir. And Johnny Weir was like, well, because Natalie, mean, Johnny and Tara were doing it separate from the Olympics.

Wendy (31:05.624)
from Milan. They were in Milan.

We Wine Whenever (31:07.871)
the Olympics. So Johnny Weir was basically like, well, like we're at the actual Olympics and like that's competition. So kind of like don't come for me. It was so good. It's really cute.

Kelli (31:09.224)
Wendy (31:19.288)
Well, because Natalie said, or was it Natalie or Michael? No, who said silver medalist Johnny?

We Wine Whenever (31:22.078)
It was Natalie.

We Wine Whenever (31:27.864)
I think that was, I think that was a Michael rap or.

Wendy (31:29.514)
Michael Rapoport said, silver medalist Johnny. And Johnny's like, did not, I did not win a silver medal. Actually, I did not win any Olympic medal. I didn't know that. I thought it was gold medalist.

Kelli (31:32.614)
alright, well, what'd you-

We Wine Whenever (31:39.554)
I didn't know that either.

Kelli (31:39.778)
I didn't either. thought he was an Olympic gold medalist.

We Wine Whenever (31:42.409)
Yeah, yeah, me too.

Wendy (31:43.646)
No, he said I didn't win any Olympic medal. I was like, wait, what?

Kelli (31:47.52)
that's so funny.

We Wine Whenever (31:50.549)
Yeah, but Natalie got real pissy too. Her and Candace took it way too serious.

Wendy (31:56.556)
Yeah, they did. They did.

Kelli (31:57.465)
you could tell. I mean, we said it the whole season. She played this game so emotionally, Natalie, way too emotionally, which is how I would have been so that I could never go on this game, especially knowing that they don't eat a lot. Forget it. Forget it.

We Wine Whenever (31:59.616)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (32:00.844)
Even poor, even poor Shook!

We Wine Whenever (32:03.445)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (32:11.423)
Yeah, forget. So they did some little thing where they did the best costume. So they did two hat to handle for Maura and showed all these clips of her with different hats. They had in plain sight and it's so funny. I was laughing because I wrote this down so many times and I never said it about Candice. That she looked like a flight attendant. I did say it, yeah, but it was so funny. didn't, cause I didn't, I thought I didn't say it. And then I was like, look.

Wendy (32:34.222)
I think you did say it. Yeah.

Kelli (32:36.376)
That's funny.

We Wine Whenever (32:40.129)
and it's like I was thinking. And then they did Sleeveless in Seattle for Rob and then Lisa did her whole Lisa fucking round thing. So Mora won. So she was like, oh my God, I won something. She's so cute.

So that's all I have for the after show.

Wendy (33:01.164)
the reunion. The only other thing I have is Andy asked Portia if she was surprised that her fellow housewife Lisa voted for her.

We Wine Whenever (33:02.665)
Yeah, that's one.

Wendy (33:12.992)
And she said, yeah, I was surprised. And she's like, when I got home, I, cause she had all her Lisa lips, I crushed all of them. I broke them all up. I smashed all those lipsticks. And Lisa's like, well, that's okay. We went out of business anyway. I was like, that's great.

We Wine Whenever (33:28.833)
Okay. Yeah.

Kelli (33:32.914)
That's funny. Hope you didn't like any of them because you can't reorder it.

We Wine Whenever (33:33.429)
Yeah, yeah

Wendy (33:36.332)
Yeah, exactly. And then the only other thing about the traders that I wanted to add is Lisa was doing a promo for her book, which I think I'm on episode on chapter five that just came out and she was doing it on Friday on Good Day New York. And it came up that TMZ reported and she confirmed that she was roofied at the Traders Premier Party at the Abbey.

We Wine Whenever (34:03.475)
And supposedly though, people that place is known for that. It's very common there. Yeah. So I don't necessarily think it was a trader person per se, but

Wendy (34:08.203)
Yes it is. Yes it is. Yes it is.

Kelli (34:08.904)
like Porta.

Kelli (34:16.573)
Right.

Wendy (34:16.874)
No, it definitely was not a trade. I definitely think it was not a trader person, but what I do think is the fact that it was a premier party for this show. There should have been some sort of security to make sure that this kind of thing doesn't happen.

We Wine Whenever (34:29.317)
absolutely. Absolutely. But maybe, maybe it does happen there all the time. And maybe somebody wasn't careful with their usual juice that they save for that. Maybe it was inadvertent. Like maybe they didn't mean to do it at that premiere. Maybe, you know, the secret bottle got taken out when it wasn't supposed to or something by accident. Cause it's dumb to do it with something like that.

Kelli (34:47.014)
Right. Right.

Kelli (34:54.493)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (34:59.265)
Like, that's just dumb. So that made me kind of think, well, maybe somebody like got the secret source out inadvertently kind of a thing. At least that's what was my thought.

Wendy (34:59.704)
Yeah.

Wendy (35:10.574)
That's possible.

Wendy (35:14.296)
as possible.

Kelli (35:16.232)
So that was at the premier party for traders.

We Wine Whenever (35:20.106)
Yes.

Wendy (35:20.258)
which was the first night that it aired. So that was several weeks ago.

We Wine Whenever (35:23.839)
Yeah. And then supposedly.

Kelli (35:24.988)
And that was in her book or no that she brought it up on an interview? Understood.

Wendy (35:27.694)
Yes, correct. It was not in her book.

We Wine Whenever (35:29.589)
Yeah. And then supposedly the next traders is supposed to be everyday people.

Wendy (35:36.052)
No, they're casting for it. Yes, but there is another traders coming out I think before that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They are casting for everyday people.

Kelli (35:36.572)
Well, they're casting for it in New York. For NBC.

We Wine Whenever (35:38.033)
okay. Okay.

okay, before that one. Okay, okay.

Wendy (35:51.022)
And I guess that's it for traders. So we'll have to wait and see. I had put out last time.

We Wine Whenever (35:53.109)
That's it. That's it.

Kelli (35:55.546)
I'm so glad we watched this show though, I really enjoyed it. I'm a big fan now. Lore.

Wendy (36:01.422)
I

We Wine Whenever (36:01.857)
Bye bye.

Wendy (36:05.038)
WHAT?!

We Wine Whenever (36:06.249)
Hey! Hey!

Kelli (36:06.502)
I know, I loved it, I loved it.

Wendy (36:10.423)
So I had said, I must have said it when you weren't on it. I must have said it when we were recapping something else to Kelly that we should maybe do other traders, maybe do season one and two. And someone on social media said to us, we really should do Australia, Australia traders. So.

We Wine Whenever (36:26.433)
Yeah.

Kelli (36:27.496)
But will we know anybody? Like the part about this that I liked was that I knew.

We Wine Whenever (36:30.046)
No.

Wendy (36:32.558)
We might. I don't know. I have no idea, to be honest with you.

Kelli (36:37.084)
Like, I like knowing all of the people. I mean, I didn't know the gamers, because I don't watch Big Brother or Survivor or anything like that, but that was okay. I liked them, I liked them on the show. I just felt like I liked it because I knew the majority of the people on it.

We Wine Whenever (36:43.233)
Mm-hmm.

Arnie Love Shows, yeah.

Wendy (36:56.642)
Yeah, that's true.

Kelli (36:58.194)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (36:58.699)
Well, we could try it.

Wendy (37:00.44)
We'll have to wait and see. We'll decide.

Kelli (37:01.053)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (37:01.697)
Let's try it, we'll see. All right.

Wendy (37:04.462)
All right, well thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye.

Kelli (37:10.482)
Bye.

We Wine Whenever (37:10.71)
Bye.