Traitors E1,2 and 3-Coffins, Conga Lines, and Housewives Betrayal

Wendy (00:01.358)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.026)
I'm Kelly with Pants On.

Lori (00:06.189)
And I'm Lori with Pants On.

Wendy (00:09.26)
I'm sorry, Lori just said. Lori, gotta say what you just said, because I'm dying, I'm dying.

Kelli (00:12.06)
Ha ha

Lori (00:14.693)
Listen, listen, it's, it's, listen, it's a menopause. Okay. I get really fucking hot. get on fire on fire. And you know, you have the people who work in the corporate world and they're on their zoom meetings and it's business on the top party on the bottom. Well, you know what? I got really hot. So during the podcast, I took off my pants. So I said to the girls, all right, I'm ready to go. Let's do the podcast. put my pants back on.

Kelli (00:20.316)
Yes.

Lori (00:44.357)
So the pants are on and we're ready to do a podcast and we're gonna do it on, yes, we're gonna do it on, right, we're gonna do it with podcast on traders, correct?

Kelli (00:45.746)
Everyone is appropriately dressed from head down.

Wendy (00:52.63)
Yes.

Yes, we're doing Traders Season 4 and we're gonna go through, we're gonna do the first three episodes, because that's what they dropped all at once. We're gonna do the first three episodes. So there's...

Lori (00:59.087)
First three episodes, right?

Okay.

Kelli (01:06.962)
Now I never watched this show before, I loved it. Oh, really?

Lori (01:08.961)
I never watched it either. I hated it. I thought it was stupid as hell. said, my God, what am I watching? What am I watching? so funny. I thought it horrible. But that's okay. I can watch a horrible show.

Kelli (01:21.65)
was great! I loved it!

Wendy (01:26.318)
So I watched it last season. I watched it last season for the first time because my mom and sister said, have to watch the show. And I really liked it last season. And then this season, I said, you guys, have to watch the show. Like, we have to talk about it. And you're like, yeah, yeah, we're going to do it. And because my husband is a front runner and he loves Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce,

when he heard that Mama Kelsey was on, he's like, I'm watching this show too, but only until Mama Kelsey gets out. And that's all I'm gonna say. So he sat there with me and he doesn't like reality shows to begin with, but that's all I'm gonna say. That's all I'm gonna say.

Kelli (02:01.435)
Right?

Wendy (02:12.96)
So we start out, all of them come in in the nighttime and they're in six, and I only know this because he was sitting next to me, they're in Land Rover Defenders. I was like, what are they in? He goes, that's a Land Rover Defender and he's giving me the model number. Okay, we don't need to know that. We just need to know that we're in Land Rover Defenders. Right, exactly, exactly. Only do I know.

Kelli (02:28.22)
Sure. Gas mileage.

Lori (02:30.629)
you

You know, it's funny because my boss has one of those and it's all black. It's the mat, the whole thing. So at my job, yes, we see, we see a lot of state police at my job. They're, they're one of our, you know, patients. And the guy came in, the state trooper came in and he said to my boss, Oh, is that your murdered out Rover?

Wendy (02:39.458)
Okay.

Wendy (02:44.226)
Yeah.

Kelli (02:45.968)
murdered out

Wendy (02:56.131)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (03:02.725)
And I was like, Oh, look at you coming up with like, I thought the guy came up with the name. I didn't know it was a name. I didn't know it was a thing. I didn't know that was a thing. Yeah. So he has one of those. And I was laughing when I saw them on the TV. I'm looking at them murdered out rovers.

Kelli (03:09.916)
It was a thing. Yeah.

Kelli (03:18.182)
That's so funny.

Wendy (03:19.298)
Well, explain to our listeners who don't know what that means what that means.

Lori (03:22.365)
okay. So it means that if you have the big Land Rover model, whatever, and everything on it is black and like my boss's is like the matte black. So everything is matte black. Like the inside all tinted, like everything, everything is black on it. And that's supposedly. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. But enough.

Kelli (03:33.98)
and it's all tinted, all tinted, even the windshield, which is supposed to be illegal in Jersey, but a state trooper was like, hey, is that your murdered out rover?

Wendy (03:34.07)
and all the windows are all tinted. That's it. Yes.

Wendy (03:45.642)
It is, it is illegal.

Kelli (03:47.92)
Because if you're a cop's doctor in Jersey, it's okay.

Lori (03:50.67)
Yes, you're good. Then you're good. Yeah. So supposedly that's, that's the name for that kind of look on a, on a Rover. So, but I was just laughing when I saw them all and like, cause my boss is car.

Wendy (03:53.474)
Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (03:58.21)
Land Rover, yeah.

Wendy (04:04.823)
That's so funny. So they show up at nighttime and they get out of their murdered out land rovers and Lisa Rinna sees Dorinda and they immediately hug each other. Now, obviously we're housewife fans. We know Lisa Rinna from Beverly Hills. We know Dorinda from New York. And they start and Alan comes out. Alan Cummings is the host of the show.

Lori (04:12.398)
it out.

Kelli (04:23.036)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (04:33.181)
I love Alan Cummings. I love him. I love his style. I love his persona. He's a persona. It's his personality, right? Yeah, I love him.

Lori (04:41.135)
Yeah, he definitely has a persona, yes.

Kelli (04:42.598)
Yeah, he's a perfect person to do this job.

Lori (04:47.267)
Yes, I agree with that.

Wendy (04:49.739)
Right. So he starts out and says to them that he's going to announce the trader in plain sight. Because you ladies have never watched it before. Normally the way they announce the traders is the way they announce the other traders is they're all sitting at the round table and he walks around the table and he'll touch you on the shoulder if you are a trader. That's how you normally

Lori (05:15.053)
Like he did later on in the show. Cause he did that.

Wendy (05:17.931)
Right, what she does later on in show. So when I watched it last season, I had seen people talk about prior seasons and in prior seasons, like he had had something on his wrist or something and other people heard him making the motion to tap on the shoulder. Yeah. So this is like, this is a real game, right? This is a game and in this game, there's real gamers, there's reality people, there's actors, there's a whole

Lori (05:32.182)
making an emotion.

Kelli (05:35.058)
Wendy (05:47.982)
This particular season there's a bunch of everybody right there's a professional athletes so This is the first time they've done this where they're going to announce the trader in plain sight so you're gonna go walk up to him and he's gonna open the box and People are gonna watch for your reaction to what you see in the box to see if you are the trader Or you're not if you're gonna give that up if you have a poker face

When they get out of their vehicles, Monet exchange is there and she's from RuPaul's Drag Race and she runs up to Jam Jam who is from Survivor and they are both saying how they're such big fans of Mama Kelsey who is Travis and Jason Kelsey's mom from the Chiefs and the Eagles and Taylor Swift's fiance. Okay, everybody in the world, everybody in the world knows who Mama Kelsey is, right?

Kelli (06:34.364)
Jason.

Kelli (06:42.61)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (06:45.859)
Right. Even I know who knows nothing about folks.

Kelli (06:46.268)
For sure. For sure.

Wendy (06:49.857)
Which by the way, just today about Mama Kelsey, heard, so I heard the producers were upset about the whole Mama Kelsey thing. But the other thing I heard was the Mama Kelsey thing was intentional. And we'll talk about that later. So we'll talk about that later.

Lori (06:56.863)
Yeah, yeah, I saw that thing.

Lori (07:02.391)
Yes, I heard that too.

Kelli (07:05.369)
the fact that they were calling her mom a Kelsey?

Lori (07:07.693)
No, no, no, we'll talk about it. You'll see.

Wendy (07:08.359)
No, no, no, no, no. We'll talk about it later. We'll talk about it later. So Kristen is talking to Michael Rapoport. Kristen is from Chef. She's one of the chef people, top chef. Michael Rapoport is an actor, but he's a huge Housewives fan. Maura is there from Love Island and Portia is there from Housewives of Atlanta.

Kelli (07:11.468)
okay. Okay.

Kelli (07:22.802)
Top Chef.

Kelli (07:29.394)
Bravo, Fania.

Kelli (07:38.364)
Did you notice Maura's accent and how she would say, I tink instead of I think? And who did that remind you of?

Wendy (07:44.876)
yes. Yes.

Who? Who did that remind you of?

Kelli (07:50.685)
Paulie Delores' fiance on New Jersey. Even Delores started talking like that. I'm like, I'm watching Jersey. I'm like, did she just say I tink? As soon as Maura said it, I was like, she has to be from Ireland.

Lori (07:53.849)
yeah, yeah.

Wendy (07:56.909)
Oh my god, no I-

Wendy (08:01.468)
Mm. That's funny.

Lori (08:06.991)
That's funny.

Wendy (08:07.704)
that's so funny. I noticed. my gosh, she's gorgeous. She's gorgeous. She's gorgeous.

Kelli (08:08.432)
Yeah, she's beautiful that girl.

Lori (08:10.558)
so just absolutely gorgeous.

Like a little pixie, like a little sprite. So cute.

Kelli (08:17.66)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (08:21.27)
So when he's doing the, when he's showing them the cards, I'll be honest with you, I was watching it and I couldn't tell. I think everyone had the perfect poker face, right? I didn't see.

Lori (08:30.156)
I couldn't tell anybody.

Kelli (08:37.618)
I couldn't tell by their reactions, but I pegged it. I did.

Lori (08:42.266)
You did?

Wendy (08:43.157)
Okay.

Wendy (08:47.636)
So then the next thing that happens after that, then they all go into the castle and they finally go around the big table and Alan is going to pick the traitors. And Alan Cummings asks, like, Lisa, why she's a threat? she thinks, before they do that, he sits down with each of the people. And we only saw a couple of who he sat down with.

One of the ones we saw him sit down with was Lisa Rinna. And he said to her, like, why do you think you're a threat? And she goes, I'm Lisa F.in Rinna. And that is the reason. Like, she is Lisa F.in Rinna. And if you've ever watched Beverly Hills when she was on, that's who she was.

Kelli (09:30.61)
That was her answer to many things.

Wendy (09:33.822)
Right. And actually, don't even think she, I don't think she came up with it. I think somebody else gave her that, right? Yes. I think it was. I think it was Erika Jean.

Kelli (09:39.484)
Somebody else said it. I think it was probably Erica Jane, but she ran with it after that.

Lori (09:46.976)
All I know is I don't watch this kind of, I don't watch these shows in my house. So I have watching this for the podcast and my husband comes in the room and he looks at the TV and he said, what the hell is that? And it was, it was Lisa Reynolds on the TV. My husband is not a fan of cosmetic surgery. And he was just said, he just looked and said, he was like horrified. said,

What the hell is it? What is that? I said, just keep going. Go take the garbage. Yeah. It was not, yeah, it was not. It was, it was not a fan. I just thought it was really funny.

Kelli (10:19.9)
So funny.

Yeah, go ahead, go, go be.

Wendy (10:25.974)
Just keep on moving, just keep on moving.

Kelli (10:29.874)
So funny.

Lori (10:32.162)
good.

Wendy (10:32.534)
So then he does get them all to the table and he walks around a couple times, know, the dramatic walk around and he winds up picking, the traders he winds up picking are Candice Dillard Bassett from Real Housewives of Potomac, Lisa Rinna, formerly of Real, they're both formerly Real Housewives of Beverly Hill and Rob R from Love Island. Now William happened to.

Lori (10:55.213)
Very fine. Very, very fine. Very fine. Just have to just to put it out there.

Kelli (10:57.276)
So fine. So fine. Like Tess is gonna watch this because he's on it.

Wendy (10:59.935)
So.

Lori (11:02.98)
So fun.

Wendy (11:03.828)
So Will happened to be sitting there with myself and Bill when we were watching it and he's like, because he watched Love Island. He's like, that's my guy. That's my guy Rob. Like he, I mean, he may be back for more. And I said to him, like, let's make this our thing. Like, let's do this. I'll watch this every week with you. He's not making commitments to me yet, but I'm going to try and drag him in with me.

Lori (11:11.431)
I never watched it.

Lori (11:26.051)
That's so funny because I would never in a million years think that Will, your son, would watch Love Island. It's just not something I would pay him as watching. That's hysterical.

Kelli (11:34.962)
It's like, there's like a cult following now with their age group. And it didn't happen until the one season where that girl, Leah, was on, I think. Like it took a couple of seasons, but now there's like a cult following for that show, for sure.

Lori (11:39.233)
Really?

Lori (11:48.047)
Really, that's funny.

Wendy (11:49.395)
Mark got him watching it. Mark would come over, cause it's on like every night. When it's on, it's on like every night. Mark would come over like every night and the two of them would watch Love Island. I'm like, okay.

Kelli (11:56.614)
Yes.

Lori (12:00.112)
that's so funny. Mark, could see watching it, but it's not well. It's just not that checks out. Yeah, but yeah, it's funny.

Kelli (12:01.66)
So funny. Yeah, that checks out.

Wendy (12:07.564)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (12:09.702)
Did you guys notice that Maura's from Love Island? She said, I've never seen Housewives, and Michael Rapoport goes, shame on you.

Wendy (12:13.418)
Yes.

Lori (12:17.102)
Yes.

Wendy (12:17.494)
Right.

Kelli (12:19.913)
He's so funny.

Wendy (12:20.172)
don't know if you notice, I know he is funny. When she saw Rob R, she was so excited to see him because they're both from Love Island. She's like, oh, we're going to work together. He's like, yeah.

Kelli (12:26.074)
Yeah.

Lori (12:29.466)
No, yeah, not so much.

Kelli (12:30.246)
Yeah, I don't know, I don't watch the show, I should ask Tess, but I wonder if they were on the same season as each other.

Wendy (12:31.732)
I was like.

Wendy (12:37.43)
They must have been, because I don't watch it either. I'll have to ask Will. We'll have to find out. We'll report back to you on that. So after Alan picks all the traitors, they all take off their blindfolds, and they're looking around, trying to figure out if they can see who it is. But they can't, because these guys are not going to give it up. And then all of a sudden, Natalie from Survivor announces to the room that she is a faithful.

Lori (12:39.567)
Yeah, I don't

Kelli (12:39.866)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (13:06.794)
Now I actually, I used to watch Survivor. Have you guys ever watched Survivor? Never?

Lori (13:10.414)
Nope.

Kelli (13:12.466)
I don't think I ever did, I'll be honest with you.

Lori (13:13.825)
Nope, never watch that, never watch Big Brother, never watch Love Violin.

Wendy (13:15.199)
So-

Kelli (13:17.424)
I never watch Big Brother either.

Wendy (13:19.948)
I used to watch Survivor and watch it for many seasons. Bill and I used to watch it. Andrew would watch it with me. And then we got to a point where like, eh, we're done. But I did know Natalie. Natalie was on the season where it was blood versus water. And she was on with her twin. And they were on separate teams. Yeah. Yeah. So Survivor, listen, Survivor's got its own lore.

Kelli (13:40.472)
interesting.

Wendy (13:46.763)
And the gamers have their own, and even Big Brother, I'll be honest with you, I used to watch Big Brother when it first came out, but then that was another one. It was on too many days a week and I couldn't make a commitment to it. But then I did watch a couple when they were celebrity Big Brothers, like when Cynthia was on, because it was a shorter season. It wasn't like all summer, because it's all summer. when they do the Big Brother, it's all summer. I can't watch.

Kelli (14:02.972)
Yeah.

Lori (14:08.069)
Yeah, nevermind.

Kelli (14:08.39)
Well, other than the real world on MTV, which truly is the first reality TV show, I think Survivor was next, right? Survivor was kind of the first reality TV show we had.

Wendy (14:17.792)
I mean...

Wendy (14:23.21)
I mean, I guess if you don't count like the hills.

Lori (14:23.236)
Anyway-

Kelli (14:28.41)
I think it was on before that, I'll be honest with you. Yeah, and

Wendy (14:30.474)
Was it? Was it? I mean, I watched Richard Hatch. Like, I watched the first season. Like I said, I probably watched probably the first 10 seasons.

Kelli (14:36.44)
Yeah, I think other than the real world on MTV and Road Rules, which Road Rules was more of a competition show, but it's funny you bring up the Hills because why is Steven from Laguna Beach, why do they have One Tree Hill under his name? Because he was on Laguna Beach before he was on One Tree Hill.

Wendy (14:41.758)
I watched both of those. I watched them.

Wendy (14:59.264)
because

Wendy (15:02.848)
Because One Tree Hill was his last thing and people have been talking about that too. That's something else people have been talking about like who like wise.

Kelli (15:05.938)
Ugh.

Kelli (15:09.958)
I mean, this is the premise of the whole LC Kristen Cavalieri beef. This is like huge in reality TV. Give respect where respect is due. He's Laguna Beach.

Wendy (15:21.046)
Right.

Wendy (15:25.536)
It's so funny, Laurie's like, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Lori (15:25.901)
I wouldn't know. I wouldn't. have no idea what you're talking about. No idea.

Kelli (15:28.722)
I watched it as an adult with two young children as if I were a 13 year old girl in middle school.

Lori (15:34.117)
That's all.

There you go, okay, you go girl.

Wendy (15:41.453)
So after Natalie announces from Survivor that she is a faithful, they like break off into like different areas, right? Michael Rapoport announces to a group of people, there's five housewives and there's five gamers. So at least one gamer and one housewife must be a traitor. So in seasons past, the gamers were the traitors. Like last season, the gamers were the traitors.

just so.

Kelli (16:11.662)
All of them. so this is what I wanted to ask you. So this season we start with three traders and a secret trader. In prior seasons, it four? Right, but were there four traders? It was only three. Got it.

Wendy (16:20.638)
Never a secret trader. No, it was three. Nope. It was three. Right. It was only three.

Lori (16:27.015)
so that's all there's gonna be this whole time? There's only gonna be three. we don't know.

Wendy (16:30.474)
Well, we don't know. We don't know because you know what? That's one of the things. We don't know because that's one of the things that like happens like last season when one of the traders got banished, right? Because that's what happens when they banish somebody. They. Right, so when one of the traders got banished, then the traders were able to pick another person to be a trader and you could either be the trader.

Kelli (16:32.55)
Well, at this point, we don't know.

Kelli (16:46.342)
Yeah, they can't get killed off.

Lori (16:46.999)
okay, okay, okay.

Wendy (16:59.53)
or be banished, or be killed, it should be. I should say, you're gonna be a traitor. So again, because this season there was the secret traitor that's never happened before, I don't know what's gonna happen. We don't know because they kind of make up the rules as they go. Right, right.

Lori (17:01.889)
Okay, okay, okay, All right.

Kelli (17:02.307)
Obviously you're going to be a traitor.

Kelli (17:13.575)
Right.

switched it up. Yeah, for sure. Which, I mean, with these shows, I feel like you have to because look at like just what you said, you watched Survivor, you watched it, you watched it, and at some point you were like, all right, I'm good. Kind of the same thing with The Bachelor. Like I always watched The Bachelor and then I was like, all right, I'm good. So I feel like they're very smart to do this, switch it up every season.

Lori (17:17.016)
Okay, okay.

Wendy (17:22.316)
100 %

Lori (17:28.296)
Yeah, yeah, I'm over it,

Wendy (17:28.8)
Yeah.

Lori (17:33.666)
enough already with the best

Lori (17:38.137)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (17:39.412)
Right. So then we see Candace, she tells a group of people that she thinks Lisa Rinna is a traitor. Now, this is before she knows Lisa Rinna is a traitor. She only knows that she's a traitor, right?

Kelli (17:52.4)
Yeah, that was... That was effed up, yeah.

Wendy (17:57.069)
And then Michael says to Rob, you, are you, like, you're good, like, you're in the, like, in the position, like, you're good looks, like, like, you're going to be okay. Like you're the Alabama guy who catches snakes. Like, Rob, like, he's just getting this, and Michael doesn't know who he is. He doesn't know whether or not he's a traitor. He just meets this guy, Rob, who you guys both said, and you didn't know anything about him. Like he's, like he's, he's a good looking guy.

Lori (18:20.005)
Right.

Lori (18:23.492)
Nope.

Lori (18:26.797)
Yep, he's fine.

Wendy (18:27.06)
Right? Right.

Kelli (18:27.25)
Yeah.

Wendy (18:32.128)
So then the next thing we see is they're going to go on their first mission. And you guys didn't watch this before, so you don't know. This is what they do. They do these different missions. Like last season when they did the missions, when Dolores was on and Dolores won, the first, and Dorinda was there, the first mission was a water mission. And they went out on these boats and they asked people to get off. And the people that got off were kind of in a bad position because then they were going to be up for, to be killed.

Lori (19:01.444)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (19:02.112)
Like, right? And the housewives were doing like the noble thing and they were looking at it, the gamers were looking at it. That's why they started to go after the housewives. So when I saw this first mission was a water mission, I was like, okay, so that's what it was last time it was a water mission. This one, there's coffins in the water. There's a hundred coffins in the water and 12 of them have gold on them. And that's how they earn their money. Each mission, they earn money to the final pot.

that the winners will get, whether they're traders or they're faithfuls, who's ever at the end is who wins the pot. Whether it's one person or two people or three or four, whatever, who's ever at the end.

Kelli (19:43.975)
so it can be more than one person left at the end.

Wendy (19:46.509)
Yes, yes, yes, yes. So they have 45 minutes to complete this mission. There's three boats. They split them into three boats. There's a red boat, a white boat, and a green boat. So the... Okay.

Lori (19:47.026)
okay. All right. Yeah, I'm getting it now.

Kelli (19:48.986)
I know that's interesting.

Lori (20:02.189)
I'm going to ask you a question. Have any of you ever rode a boat?

Wendy (20:07.36)
Yes.

Kelli (20:08.698)
yeah, a robo? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I wasn't on crew or anything.

Lori (20:10.277)
You're a robo. But, but I'm just, I'm just saying that's a lot. Like the amount of rowing that they had to, that they had to do. There was a lot of physical, there was a lot of physical work to go back and forth like that rowing like that. That was no joke.

Wendy (20:11.114)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (20:18.82)
It's very strenuous. Yeah.

Kelli (20:29.638)
Especially because unless you're a professional athlete, you're not using these muscles. You you could do anything tomorrow and use muscles that you haven't used in a long time and be like whooped afterwards. So yeah, that was strenuous.

Wendy (20:30.004)
No, it's not.

Lori (20:34.543)
No.

Lori (20:39.201)
Mm-hmm. Whoa. Yeah. And I've been to Scotland. That is a cold freaking country. It is cold. I was there in August and I had to wear a beanie and a down coat. It is cold. It is cold.

Kelli (20:48.06)
Hell yeah.

Wendy (20:48.193)
Yeah.

Wendy (20:55.264)
And it rains a lot. It rains a lot.

Lori (20:56.451)
and it rains a lot. Like some, and some of the scenes, some of the things that the girls had on, like, girl, you must be really, must be like, I know you're too young to be menopausal, so you just must be like really hot person because it is cold as hell there. And she had on these little tops and I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, gotta be cold.

Kelli (21:16.06)
It's very interesting that it's cold and it rains a lot at the birthplace of golf.

Lori (21:21.303)
Yep, definitely. It's cold. It's cold as hell there, I'm telling you.

Kelli (21:22.96)
Right? I didn't know that the weather was like that. I my boss's sons go to school there. I did not know that it was that kind of weather. It's literally the birthplace of golf.

Lori (21:31.061)
It's cold. It is cold.

I'm telling you, I was there in August and I froze and I'm a hot girl. Yeah, it's cold there.

Kelli (21:39.792)
Wow, interesting, interesting.

Okay.

Wendy (21:46.22)
Okay, so back to the mission. They split into three boats and they have to get the coffins with the dollar signs on them. And then once they get the coffins, they have to bring the coffins to the graveyard. And when they get over to the graveyard, they find out that they have to put the coffin in the grave of one of their competitors. And whoever's got a coffin in their grave is going to be up for murder that night.

So there's three men that are leading each boat. Each men, I don't know if they pick their crew or whatever, but there's three men that are leading the boats.

Once they, okay, John, put down that, I don't know who was in each boat, but John, put down that Johnny Weir fell in the water when he went back on the boat. Like, I love Johnny Weir. I love Johnny Weir and I love Tara Lipinski. They've had their own shows in the past. That's the other thing. Like they,

Lori (22:36.726)
Yes, that was funny.

Kelli (22:45.372)
Well, I love the fact that they're besties, but don't want anybody to know it.

Wendy (22:49.353)
Exactly, exactly. They are besties. And if you ever saw them, like, I know that they're besties. Like, how can you be on the show and not know that they're besties, but they're trying to play it off that they're not, right?

Lori (22:57.572)
Yeah.

Lori (23:01.059)
Right. Right.

Wendy (23:04.105)
So then once they start getting the caskets, they get back there and the red boat and the green boat, they start teaming up together and that they're only going to put caskets in the grave of the white boat, which is honestly a good plan, right? It's a good plan. Right. That's why you need gamers. Right. It's a good plan. It's all strategy. So it turns up...

Kelli (23:22.182)
very smart. That's why you need gamers.

Lori (23:22.211)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (23:27.408)
because it's all strategy.

Lori (23:28.942)
Right, strategy.

Wendy (23:32.172)
that after they gather their boats, the nine people that are up for murder this night are Michael Rapoport, who is livid. Dorinda Medley, Mama Kelsey, Eric, Ian, Ron, Rob R., Mark, and Rob C. When they get back after filling in their grave, Portia calls out Michael Rapoport and said, he said, to put it in the Housewives,

Because Candice told her that that's what Michael Rapoport said. Because Candice is trying to deflect because she's a traitor. And she doesn't know who the other traitors are yet. They don't know who the other traitors are yet.

Kelli (24:07.459)
on the ride.

Kelli (24:14.386)
Stir the pot.

Kelli (24:24.028)
Well, no, at this point they know.

Wendy (24:26.079)
No they don't. They don't know until they get into the turret. No! They don't know until they get into the tur- No! They didn't get into the turret yet. No, not before the- no!

Kelli (24:27.334)
Yeah, yeah. They already did that.

They, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They went to the turret. I'm telling you, I'm looking at my notes. They went to the turret before their first mission.

Wendy (24:43.871)
No! That was the next mi- no.

Lori (24:47.043)
Well, we're going to have to ask the audience to chime in on the comments because I sure as shit don't remember.

Kelli (24:52.082)
All right, let us know, because I'm saying they went to the turret before they did their first mission.

Wendy (24:52.416)
No, they didn't.

Wendy (24:58.421)
No, no, they don't go to the turret until it's time to kill somebody. And they don't know who they're killing until they find out who's up for murder.

Lori (24:58.437)
I don't know.

Kelli (25:06.546)
They went to the turret. They got sworn in by Alan. He joins them. He says that there's not gonna be a murder tonight and that there's a secret traitor.

Wendy (25:16.781)
okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right.

Lori (25:20.439)
look at that, look at that,

Kelli (25:24.1)
Only because I have notes, people.

Wendy (25:24.641)
Listen, no, no, no, I have notes too. I have notes too, but this is my second espresso martini.

Lori (25:25.925)
Yeah, I have no notes.

Lori (25:32.675)
Yeah, yep, that's what happened. That's what happened.

Kelli (25:38.834)
That's amazing.

Wendy (25:40.541)
I'm so glad that you're, yes, your notes, yes. Yes, this is my second espresso martini, so. That's how those notes work. Okay.

Kelli (25:42.212)
It's like the good old times.

Lori (25:43.821)
Yes, yes, yes, I like it. Very good. I love it. Beautiful.

Kelli (25:48.284)
That's amazing.

Lori (25:50.916)
That's good.

Kelli (25:51.409)
Yeah, only because I remember, I forget which Rob it is, Rob C, who's the trader, Rob. Rob, like I just remember him going to that grave thinking, well I ain't getting killed. You know? He's like, whatever, I'll fill my grave, I'll do what I gotta do.

Wendy (26:00.864)
Rob R. Rob R. is a traitor.

Lori (26:01.71)
Rob R.

Lori (26:06.871)
Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, because I'm the trade.

Wendy (26:07.093)
Right, right, right, right, right. No, you're right. And listen.

And I watched, you just watched this last night, I watched this last Thursday. Like I watched this, right.

Lori (26:17.059)
Right. A while ago.

Kelli (26:17.198)
Right. No, listen, I made sure that's why I watched Salt Lake last night. I made sure I watched this after work today so it was fresh in my mind.

Wendy (26:27.937)
Yeah, so I watched this last week. This is my last week mine and my last week notes. And my second espresso martini. Exactly.

Kelli (26:30.384)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (26:33.157)
That's all right. It's all good. And your second martini.

Kelli (26:37.52)
More importantly, the second martini, espresso martini.

Wendy (26:44.321)
Gosh, okay, so you are absolutely right.

Kelli (26:46.47)
I just want to say at this point, I think at this point I have in my notes when they're filling in their graves that either Rapoport or Mama Kelsey is the secret trader. I just want to make that known that this is the point it's in my notes.

Wendy (26:53.549)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (26:57.861)
It's a secret trader. I had no idea.

Wendy (26:59.595)
Okay, that's what you thought.

Lori (27:06.713)
So what do you guys think? What do you guys think the problem ended up to be with Donna? Do you think it was that she was too quiet?

Kelli (27:06.748)
Proceed.

Kelli (27:17.03)
Wait.

Wendy (27:17.409)
Yeah, she doesn't know how to play these games, we're, yeah, yeah. We'll get there, we'll get there. No, we'll get there, we'll get there. So when, when Portia calls out Michael Rapoport and says that Candice said that, that, you know, he was going to take out, you know, to put the thing in the housewives, Portia runs up to him and...

Lori (27:19.087)
She doesn't know how to play the games. Yeah.

Kelli (27:22.682)
Okay. I know that's what I'm like, wait.

Lori (27:23.685)
Alright.

You know me, jumping around.

Wendy (27:42.539)
He's like, well, let's go talk to Candace. And Candace is like, you must have misheard me. When absolutely, that's what Candace said. And Maura was in the car with her too when it was said. And Maura's like, I don't know.

Kelli (27:49.389)
for sure!

Lori (27:49.433)
Yeah.

Kelli (27:56.305)
Yeah, she wasn't saying shit. And I don't blame her. I don't blame her for not saying anything. Because at this point, she doesn't know who the traitors are, so she doesn't want to go against either one of them.

Lori (27:57.712)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't get him off. Right, Yeah.

Wendy (27:59.062)
I don't think she knew. Honestly, I don't even think she knew.

Wendy (28:07.123)
No, don't even honestly I don't even think she knows. I don't even think she knows what's going on yet to be quite honest. I mean I like Maura but I don't think Maura knows what's going on, right? But she even said like I don't have an effing clue like she doesn't she doesn't she's like I don't know I have no idea. So Michael says like if I'm if I'm taking out a housewife it's gonna be like in the end like I like I love you guys and it's gonna hurt you more than it's gonna hurt me.

Kelli (28:07.9)
She's just playing it safe.

Kelli (28:12.476)
Well, probably not.

Wendy (28:34.061)
And anyone that knows Michael Rapoport knows that that is the truth. Like, he loves...

Lori (28:36.933)
That's the truth, absolutely.

Kelli (28:38.448)
Yeah, he really does love them, especially Portia. He loves Portia. He's always said that.

Wendy (28:44.237)
He does. He does. He does.

Wendy (28:49.769)
So when they get and, and you know, Candice is like, must've read it, you know, you must've read it wrong. And Portia's like, and then Portia second guesses herself. She's like, yeah, I must've got it wrong. I was like,

Kelli (29:05.596)
Maybe she had two espresso martinis that night too.

Lori (29:07.278)
Maybe she did.

Wendy (29:08.917)
No, but you know what I heard? I heard that they're only allowed one drink a night.

Lori (29:12.75)
Kelli (29:13.094)
would imagine.

Wendy (29:14.857)
Only allowed one drink a night. That's what, yeah, I saw.

Kelli (29:16.742)
Yeah, well listen, I'll be honest with you. As soon as I saw Dorinda, I was thinking, I hope they have a limit on alcoholic beverages. And I love Dorinda, but she is a sloppy, messy drunk.

Lori (29:30.841)
Right, and you can't do that on that show.

Wendy (29:31.213)
She is. She is.

Kelli (29:33.092)
she cannot handle her alcohol. So that's a very good rule to abide by.

Lori (29:35.373)
No, and they don't sleep there, you know.

Wendy (29:35.553)
Yeah, they have a limit.

Kelli (29:41.031)
They don't?

Wendy (29:41.141)
No, they don't. No, they sleep in hotel. They walk up the stairs as if they're going to bed, but they do not sleep there. They sleep in a hotel.

Lori (29:41.903)
They don't sleep there. They go to hotel.

Lori (29:47.567)
They don't sleep there.

Kelli (29:50.342)
know that?

Wendy (29:51.906)
Yep. They're totally isolated in the hotel too. When they're in the hotel, because Dolores talked about this, they get their phone, I think, for one hour a week, or not even. Like they get one call a week. They get, they aren't isolated. They do not, they do not get TV. They do not get internet. They do not know what's going on in the world. They do not know what's going on in the world.

Kelli (30:16.336)
I could not handle that, clearly.

Wendy (30:18.815)
And Dolores loved being there. She loved it. She loved the isolation.

Kelli (30:23.152)
I guess, like, unplugging once in a while isn't the worst thing in the world.

Lori (30:26.392)
I would love it.

Wendy (30:28.566)
you definitely would love it.

Lori (30:29.249)
it's right up my alley. But I gotta say, listen, I'm a history major, I'm an art history major, I did interior design, that castle looks like shit, looks like shit. And I know whoever owns it bought it and they're supposedly renovating it and they've rented out for events, but horrible.

Kelli (30:53.104)
Yeah, that's it. they're not, know, Peacock, whoever's doing this show is going in there and, you know, it's not like they're just bringing their equipment in and they're like, okay, action. You know, they're putting that shit together. I can't believe they don't sleep there though. Honestly, I'm shocked. I feel very naive.

Wendy (31:02.839)
They're only a-

Wendy (31:13.495)
They don't sleep there. No. They're only allowed in like three rooms. We see them in the kitchen, we see them in the breakfast room, and we see them in that other like library room, the study, and then the secret room. That's it. They're only allowed in those rooms. Yeah.

Kelli (31:22.19)
Study. Yeah.

Lori (31:23.557)
Yeah, it probably just must be like a couple areas downstairs and that's it. And maybe the turret.

Kelli (31:26.214)
with the secret door.

Kelli (31:30.576)
Wow. Right. Right.

Wendy (31:35.596)
So the traders have to, when they get finally to the turret, they have to pick from four. And they find out that the secret trader picks who they have to pick from, who the four are. Right. So the secret trader picked Rob R, who is a trader, Ian, Mark, and Eric. So...

Kelli (31:49.404)
The Shortlist.

Wendy (32:01.803)
I'm going to tell you who Ian is. Ian Terry was on Big Brother. He was the winner. He was the youngest winner in Big Brother history, season 14. He was 21 years old and he is a strategic competitor. Okay, that's who Ian is. The other one is Mark. Mark Ballas is from Dancing with the Stars. He's a pro. He's a three-time Dancing with the Stars champion, acclaimed choreographer.

Lori (32:17.061)
Hmm.

Kelli (32:28.88)
I mean, he was one of the originals, right?

Wendy (32:31.435)
Yep, also has Broadway credits. Also, I don't know if you know this, but Mark Ballas also and his wife have a band that they're in. She sings and he plays the guitar. So that's, yeah, so that's Mark Ballas. And then Eric, Eric is, hold on.

Kelli (32:43.023)
That's cool.

Lori (32:51.692)
A singer,

Kelli (32:54.192)
Yeah, Eriksas sings of songwriter.

Wendy (32:54.473)
Eric Nam is a singer, singer, media personality, Korean American singer with international fan base and TV hosting credits, charismatic presence. That's who Eric Nam is. So those are the first ones that are up for elimination.

Lori (32:54.863)
May sing her? Yeah.

Lori (33:06.926)
Okay.

Wendy (33:13.933)
and we don't find out what happens in the first episode. So now we're gonna have to go to the second episode and they go up to the turret in the first episode, but we don't see who they vote for. In the second episode, they're all at breakfast and that's how they find out who has been voted out is the next morning at

breakfast who doesn't show up. That's who they know who's been voted out. So at breakfast Caroline, Caroline Stansberry's there and she wanted to know like what was going on with Michael Rapaport in Portia because she saw something was going on in Candace but she had no idea like what that whole thing was about. And Caroline Stansberry

Lori (33:59.258)
Wait, wait, Wasn't she the one who had this stuff on her face?

Wendy (34:05.131)
So Carolyn Stansberry is from Real Housewives of Dubai and was on Ladies of London. What's on her face?

Lori (34:12.431)
Is she's not the one who had like the parasites in her face?

Kelli (34:12.582)
Yeah.

Kelli (34:16.049)
no, that was Bethany.

Lori (34:17.645)
No, Bethany didn't have parasites. No, not that St. Barthes thing. The one who had the... Come on, girls. The housewife who had the things in her face and she said it was from parasites, the big lumps on her face. Who am I thinking of? I'm asking you.

Kelli (34:33.714)
Let's see.

Wendy (34:35.357)
No, no, you're talking about, what's her name? Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Brandi Glanville, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

Lori (34:46.731)
Yeah, okay, okay. That's who I was thinking it was. Okay, okay, okay. I kept looking at her face like, where's her face?

Kelli (34:47.186)
Ohhhh

I'm home.

you thought Caroline was Brandi Glanville.

Lori (35:00.399)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep, we'll see how lost I am.

Wendy (35:02.053)
No. So Carolyn Stansberry. Yeah.

Kelli (35:05.234)
I see a resemblance.

Lori (35:07.077)
Alright.

Wendy (35:08.725)
I don't. Especially when she opens her mouth. So Carolyn Stansberry was from Ladies of London and she was on Real Housewives of Dubai and she married Sergio, her 20 year younger husband. Who's there? Yes, yes. I like Carolyn Stansberry. think she's, actually I think she's very entertaining. So she doesn't know what's going on. She wants to know what's going on between Michael Rapoport and Portia and Candice. So they start telling her what's going on.

Lori (35:24.409)
you go girl.

nice.

Wendy (35:38.379)
And then all of a sudden Dorinda walks in and they're so happy to see Dorinda because last season she didn't make it to the first breakfast because she got voted out. Okay, Dorinda made it. She was the first person to get killed. So she made it through the first killing.

Kelli (35:47.634)
she was the first person to get voted out.

Wendy (35:56.779)
So after everyone comes in, they realize that Ian was killed, and they all agree that he was killed because he won Big Brother and that he was a threat. And that is true. I mean, if you are a smart gamer, you're going to kill the smart gamers, right? Because they're the ones, yeah.

Lori (36:14.348)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (36:14.492)
Yeah, I agree. I think the gamers are the first ones you want out of there because they know how to play strategy.

Wendy (36:21.428)
Right, right. And Tiffany speaks up like automatically. She's like, you know what? I know who Ian was. Like he wanted to face his fears. That's why he came here, which I think is a little odd. So.

Lori (36:36.421)
Yeah, I was like, what are you talking about?

Kelli (36:36.934)
Well, I think there's more to the story. Like, does he have anxiety? Was he... There's definitely more to the story. Like, her just blurting that out didn't give us any clarification. Yeah.

Wendy (36:41.15)
Right, think there is more to this story.

Lori (36:46.565)
Yeah, it was weird. Yeah, it was odd.

Wendy (36:49.654)
So Tiffany was also on Big Brother. So she's another Big Brother alum. And she was on season 23, and she won as America's favorite house guest and also competed on the challenge. So she has been in two reality game shows, Tiffany. just let, be aware of that. Like she is a gamer. Like she's a gamer. And.

Ian was on season 14, but her on season 23 knew the lore of Ian on season 14 because she's the one who's been studying all these things, right? Like last season when Dolores was on and Boston Robb was on, Boston Robb is the epitome of survivor because he's been on so many seasons, he's won so many times, and like he is the gamer of all gamers. So these are things like just to be aware of as like,

Lori (37:21.465)
Right.

Wendy (37:42.048)
you're watching this. I know it's a little bit much, especially for someone like Lori, who has no idea who any of these people are.

Lori (37:50.981)
Yep.

Wendy (37:55.765)
So the next thing we see I have written down is Portia sitting in room with a bunch of people and she said like, feel bad because I thought Ian could have been the one and now he's the one that's killed.

Lori (38:06.533)
Was she the one who said I killed? Is she the one who messed up and said I killed? She messed up a couple times. I was like, girl. But, but you know, again, it's a show. Maybe she was supposed to do that.

Wendy (38:06.614)
Porsche doesn't have any idea.

Kelli (38:09.82)
Yes. Yes.

Wendy (38:10.162)
She is. She is.

She did.

Kelli (38:15.1)
She really, really did.

Wendy (38:17.781)
She did.

Kelli (38:21.008)
I know. I know.

Wendy (38:23.314)
No, no, this show isn't like that. No, I'm telling you.

Kelli (38:26.66)
I'm telling you though, Wendy, as I was watching the show, I'm like...

Lori (38:29.859)
Were you thinking that's agent Kelly? Like, okay.

Kelli (38:32.08)
Well, when Candice busted out with the conga line, I would have been like, what?

Lori (38:38.935)
Yeah, so I saw some social media posts and people were at you like non housewife people. I mean, I'm a non housewife people with that show, so I don't know. And they were like, is this like a thing for her? Like, like, why wouldn't anybody? Why wouldn't anybody think that that's like weird?

Kelli (38:52.594)
No, it's not.

Kelli (38:57.138)
Right, like why would you think it was normal for somebody to just be like, and now we're gonna do a conga line. And they did it. I would have been like, well, you can do whatever you want, but I'm gonna sit here and sit my wife.

Lori (39:02.585)
Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, they did it. But, right, and watch you people.

Wendy (39:11.456)
But you know what, that's what she was doing. She was distracting. That's what her job was at that point. But not everyone jammed.

Lori (39:15.173)
Oh no, I get it. No, I get it.

Kelli (39:16.612)
Of course that's what she was doing, but any smart person would look at that and be like, we're playing an elimination game, she's doing that for a reason. So she's either a traitor or she's protecting a traitor. That would have been a red flag to me that she was a traitor.

Lori (39:27.469)
Right.

Lori (39:31.609)
doing something, right? I, I just thought-

Wendy (39:33.28)
Because you're

Right, because you were thinking like a gamer, not like for instance, Mama Kelsey probably was like, mean, Jam Jam wouldn't take part in it. Like some people like would have no part in that.

Kelli (39:47.6)
Yeah, that other Rob.

Wendy (39:49.898)
The other Rob, he said, mean, the other Rob said, I think that we're going to have a murder in plain sight.

Lori (39:57.263)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (39:57.767)
Yeah.

Wendy (39:59.317)
Which by the way, like now that we just brought him up, I listened to a pod, okay, so Ryan Bailey has a podcast. It's so bad, it's good or whatever it's called. What is it called? Do you know what Kelleywood is called?

Kelli (40:14.45)
I don't know. I only listen when you tell me somebody good is on.

Wendy (40:19.188)
So he did a whole podcast about each of the people on Traders and what their lore was, and he did it with somebody else before he even did the recap of the Traders. I actually didn't even finish listening to it, but I started listening to it. It's two episodes, that one. I recommend, so bet it's good. Yeah, I recommend to any of our listeners who are watching or listening to this,

Lori (40:36.815)
So bad it's... So bad it's good.

Wendy (40:44.872)
Listen to Ryan Bailey's first, he's got two episodes that explain who all the traders are and what their lore is and what they're about. And one of the things he said about Rob C is that he, mean, Jeff Probst called him like the smartest loser of all times. Like he didn't ever win Survivor, but he was the smartest player ever. Also, what I thought was very interesting,

He has his own podcast like Network all about gaming. Not that even he does the podcast. He has all these other people underneath him that do all these podcasts. Like he is like very successful in the podcast world just because...

Kelli (41:28.562)
but like as the mastermind, not as the.

Lori (41:31.545)
Right, not as a player, some astronaut behind.

Wendy (41:31.932)
Right, does, right, not actually as the, not as the one on the mic talking about it. He's got one talking about this one, he's got one talking about that one, and like he's someone to watch. And I was like, that's interesting. I'm look up his network. I wanna see who he's got on it. I wanna hear, like I wanna hear about those people, right?

That's Rob C. Which we will find out that, you know, he's gonna go too because he's smart. Like any of these people that are smart are gonna wind up going.

Kelli (42:03.408)
Yeah, he put a target on his own back. As soon as he said, think we're having a murder on plain sight, it's like, dude, you're figuring this stuff out too soon. And you're verbalizing it, you're out.

Lori (42:10.703)
Yeah, too soon, right? you're letting people know that you know.

Wendy (42:12.778)
But they already... I know.

Kelli (42:18.706)
Because a trader would never say that.

Wendy (42:18.783)
Right, but the-

Wendy (42:22.484)
A trader would never say that and they already got him out before he even said that because they didn't even know he said that. Right? They didn't even know he said that. And he said it to Candice who didn't even, but Candice didn't know who they were getting out because she was doing the conga line distracting them. So she knew somebody was out, but she didn't even know who it was.

Kelli (42:30.694)
Well, Candace knew, yeah.

Kelli (42:35.77)
Right. Right. No, Robin and Lisa made the decision.

Wendy (42:43.154)
So the one that, right, the one that knew was Mark Ballas, because Mark Ballas was the other one in the room, right? And like I said to you, Will was watching it with me. He's like, Mark Ballas is going to be the one who needs to call this out. Like, is Mark Ballas going to call this out? Because he's the one. And then once Rob is gone, like, he's the one who needs to say it. And Rob, like, Mark Ballas never said it. He's like, do you think he's sold? I was like, no, I think he didn't catch it, because he's a dancer.

Kelli (43:11.64)
Right. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wendy (43:12.64)
Like, I just don't think he caught it. I don't think he caught it. I don't think he sold. I don't think he thinks like a gamer. Like, the gamers think like gamers, and the housewives honestly think like gamers. Like, the housewives, people underestimate them. They underestimate them. They don't understand.

Lori (43:12.783)
Right, right.

Kelli (43:27.698)
Well, yeah. Yeah. Well, they're studying the show though. Like once this show came on, listen, there's one thing about housewives and they are thirsty to be on any show they can get on. So they're gonna look at this show. As soon as the first housewife was cast on Traders, all of the rest of the housewives studied this show like it was their job.

Lori (43:49.477)
They're like,

Wendy (43:49.996)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (43:55.215)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (43:55.984)
because they knew it was another opportunity for them.

Wendy (43:59.105)
Yes, 100%. 100%.

Wendy (44:05.59)
So then we go to the next mission, right? We can go to the next mission. The next mission is the Thrones on Wheels.

Lori (44:15.791)
were they the Thrones on the wheels? Yeah.

Wendy (44:20.62)
So there's three thrones. There's three thrones. And if you're on the throne, you have a shield. So that means you're safe, right? They have 45 minutes to complete this mission, but they have to keep time themselves and they don't have watches on. They don't have watches on. They have to figure out what 45 minutes is on their own with whatever skills they have. I will say, like to me, that would be the hardest part of this to figure out what 45 minutes is because

Kelli (44:21.01)
That was strenuous.

Lori (44:43.749)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (44:47.41)
most definitely.

Kelli (44:47.622)
Yes.

Lori (44:50.445)
And did you guys, did you guys clock who was not there?

Wendy (44:50.752)
Time to meet.

Wendy (44:55.861)
Mama Kelsey.

She was not there. Nope, you don't see her anywhere.

Kelli (44:59.196)
She was not at that mission?

Lori (45:03.076)
Nope.

Kelli (45:04.626)
That's wild. I did not clock that at all.

Wendy (45:04.896)
So wasn't there.

Lori (45:05.763)
Not. I was wondering if you were going to notice. kind of figured Wendy would notice, but no, she wasn't she wasn't there at all.

Wendy (45:08.512)
Yep. Yep, no. Yep, no, I noticed it.

Kelli (45:15.92)
and nobody said anything?

Wendy (45:18.622)
No, because I think, listen, one, the woman is in her 70s. That was a physically tough mission. It was a physically tough mission.

Lori (45:26.735)
Yep. All the missions.

Kelli (45:29.904)
Yeah, but then you don't cast her if she can't do the... the mission.

Lori (45:32.655)
But I think, this is the thing. I think that they, maybe she had a three episode contract to get the draw, to get the poll, to get the, know, maybe that's why they made up this whole thing with the secret trader and the whole gig. Yeah, see, to kind of get the poll. Now, was she in the rowing mission?

Wendy (45:33.324)
They there is a reason there's a reason they cast her

Wendy (45:41.953)
That's it.

Kelli (45:46.033)
Yeah.

Kelli (45:49.862)
Yeah.

Wendy (45:59.743)
I don't remember seeing her.

Kelli (45:59.827)
I think she was in that mission.

Wendy (46:03.126)
She wasn't? I don't remember seeing her.

Kelli (46:04.73)
I think she was in that mission. I mean, listen, all she had to do was sit on the boat. Nobody was going to ask her to do anything else. I'm almost positive she was at that mission because I can picture her standing on the dock.

Lori (46:06.661)
I don't think so.

Lori (46:10.799)
Bye.

Lori (46:17.623)
But I don't remember being a

Wendy (46:17.814)
So that is one of the speculations is that she had a three episode contract to get the draw, to get people there.

Lori (46:26.753)
Like Bill. Bill wouldn't watch the show. But there you go.

Wendy (46:28.928)
Like Bill. Yep. Got Bill there. It's true. It's true. It lured him right in. And that what they were hoping is once they got you in that you're going to stay. Bill's out. Bill's not coming back. But but there are. Right. There are some people that would stay. But then the other story that's out there is that the producers are disappointed that they really wanted this secret trader.

Kelli (46:31.415)
Yeah, they lured him right in

Lori (46:33.039)
Builder.

Lori (46:43.001)
All right, how's that?

Kelli (46:45.232)
He's like, I'm not falling for that.

Wendy (46:58.596)
we're just going to say it now because we've already said it, Mama Kelsey is a secret traitor. They really wanted the secret traitor to be a different role and they had all these other things planned for the secret traitor and they're really disappointed that she couldn't do what she needed to do to protect herself in the eliminations.

Lori (47:01.989)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (47:17.945)
Right, but I mean really, what is it that you could do?

Kelli (47:18.726)
Well, I'll tell you what, not having her at a mission is putting a target on her back right then and there. Because you can say all you want, she's a 70 year old woman, she can't do that. Okay, well then why'd you cast her? There's a reason you cast her. So then everybody's gonna figure out she's the secret trader.

Right? If.

Lori (47:39.289)
Yeah, I mean, because really, what was it that she was supposed to say?

Wendy (47:39.978)
Yes!

Kelli (47:44.775)
Right. All she kept saying was, I'm fangirling out on most of you. Now, you you met Paul McCartney at the Super Bowl. I'm thinking that Rob from Love Island is not really sweeping you off your feet right now.

Lori (47:45.593)
But I mean...

Lori (47:49.539)
Right. And I'm not the traitor.

Lori (48:01.808)
Well, be sweeping me.

Kelli (48:05.144)
Even a housewife. mean, Paul McCartney, a housewife. Dorinda Medley, no disrespect.

Wendy (48:09.835)
Right.

Lori (48:10.639)
Doreen D'Medley. Right.

Lori (48:17.881)
Yeah, so that was.

Wendy (48:18.336)
Your son is engaged to Taylor Swift. Your son is engaged to Taylor Swift.

Kelli (48:21.067)
Yeah, exactly. Taylor Swift.

Lori (48:26.405)
right. yeah, I don't know. It was just but it was just like what else did you like? What could she say? Like what? So it was just weird. It was just the whole thing was odd to me. I was just like, I don't know what's going here. I do kind of like that concept even though I've never seen the show before. I do kind of like the concept of the secret trader. I think that's really cool. I think that's a really cool thing. I think that's something that they should think about doing in the future. Maybe

Kelli (48:50.192)
I do too.

Lori (48:56.759)
I think somewhere there was just a foul up with the trying to get her on the show and the following and then the secret trade. Like something didn't, the recipe didn't come out right. But I do think it's a good idea. I think it's a fun, a fun twisty thing to have that secret trade.

Kelli (49:16.722)
All right, we, so I mean, we're approaching 50 minutes, so I know we don't wanna go too much longer, but so we know the secret traitor is Mama Kelsey. I agree with you, I thought, never watched the show before, but I thought that was a great twist. Now, Portia getting banished was very interesting, and it was all because that guy, what was his name, Ron, the comedian?

Wendy (49:25.92)
is Mama Kelsey.

Wendy (49:41.61)
Ron. Yep.

Lori (49:42.29)
Yeah, but it made total sense. It wasn't like because of what she said. Absolutely. It made total sense.

Kelli (49:44.88)
because of what she said. She literally said, we killed and I killed. She said both those things.

Wendy (49:45.61)
Right. Right. Right.

Lori (49:51.907)
And then she said the four traders.

Wendy (49:55.649)
Right. He had three pieces of evidence against Porsche. It was good. It was 100 % good evidence. I agree. I agree. So.

Kelli (49:56.145)
Right.

Lori (50:00.608)
Absolutely, totally, totally made sense.

Kelli (50:01.127)
And it was good evidence.

Kelli (50:06.992)
Yeah. So, so far we had Ian get murdered, Portia was banished, and then they show up for breakfast the next morning and Alan tells them we're having a round table and someone else is getting banished before we go to the last mission. Or not last yet, next mission. The last mission for the third episode, yeah.

Wendy (50:27.359)
Next mission. Right.

Lori (50:30.959)
The next one. Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (50:34.89)
And that's when they decide that, and this is where they have to do the murder in plain sight. Right?

Lori (50:45.081)
Now see, I thought that was kind of...

Kelli (50:46.026)
No.

Wendy (50:47.058)
No, no, no, no. This is when,

Kelli (50:51.605)
yeah, four people are gone now.

Lori (50:54.208)
Yeah, four people are gone. I thought the murder and plain sight thing was kind of cool. I thought that was kind of cool because you had to like try to figure out how to do something without people really knowing what you're doing. I was like, oh, okay, that's kind of cool.

Kelli (50:58.64)
Me too.

Wendy (50:58.932)
No, I do too.

Kelli (51:05.67)
Yes. So that was Rob C. So it was Ian and that was it then Portia, then Rob C. And now we're after Rob C. Now we're at the breakfast where Alan announces that there's another round table and someone else needs to be banished before they go on to their next mission.

Wendy (51:25.76)
Okay, that's gotta be... Okay, that's number three, episode three, right?

Lori (51:30.671)
Yep. Yep.

Wendy (51:33.258)
Okay, Michael, okay.

So the next round table, the next morning, Candice starts out talking at the round table. She says that Ron, like the shiny object came in here yesterday and flipped the script because Ron is the one who got Portia out, right? And Ron said, I don't come in with bias. I just play with information I have. He said, I've been riding with Donna and Michael, Donna Kelsey and Michael Rapoport.

Colton says he wants to give Donna more opportunity to talk. Now Colton is the former bachelor and he was on the bachelor and the bachelorette. Actually he was on the bachelorette first and then he was on the bachelor. And then he turned out that he was gay and now he's married. That's just a whole other story. and by the way, he stalked his ex-girlfriend and had a restraining order against him. But that's yet another story. Colton, Colton.

Kelli (52:32.38)
Wait, who's this? Who's this?

Is that the football?

Wendy (52:36.556)
Colton. Yes. Yes. Yes. But he was first on The Bachelorette. He was the first gay bachelor virgin. He was a virgin. And then we found out after all these happened, then we found out that he was gay.

Lori (52:38.916)
Yes.

Kelli (52:40.37)
He was gay.

Kelli (52:56.06)
Do we believe all of this?

Wendy (52:58.804)
I mean, yes, because, no, no, no. I mean, yes, I believe that he was a virgin. I believe that he was on both of those shows. I believe that he was afraid to come out. And then when he did finally come out, he was definitely in the NFL. Yes. Yes. These are all things about Colton.

Lori (52:59.714)
I believe nothing. So I roll. Nothing.

Kelli (53:03.943)
You

Kelli (53:12.85)
Was he in the NFL?

Lori (53:21.485)
Okay. That's a lot.

Wendy (53:23.467)
Yeah.

Kelli (53:23.602)
Interesting.

Wendy (53:26.196)
So he wants to give Donna an opportunity to talk. And Donna said, listen, I know people are after me. Like, this is the only reason is because I haven't had a chance to talk. You know, I'm a fan girl. And Ken is like, well, that's why I suspected you. Like, I think that you would be a good traitor. And Jam Jam's like, it's time for you to say more to protect yourself. And Donna said, well, it's time, like, for you to think about, like, who's pushing my name. And Colton said, well.

I was kicking myself yesterday because he wanted to vote for her the day before. But he was swayed to vote for Portia based on what Ron said.

Kelli (54:02.236)
Yeah. Yes, yeah, it did.

Lori (54:02.563)
made sense.

Wendy (54:04.212)
Right. And Tiffany asked, Tiffany asked Donna, like, there something, is there someone that you suspect as a traitor? And Donna said, well, I, Michael, I mean, I don't think, you know, I don't think you're as ignorant as she's going after Michael, which Michael Rapoport, I'm like, no, we can't, you know, it can't be Michael Rapoport. And Michael said, again, I'm going to tell you, I'm a faithful.

Kelli (54:28.358)
He's the best look of faith. He's so funny. I love him. I love him. I always liked him too.

Lori (54:30.085)
He's so funny. I like him. I always liked him. I think it's just terrible. But you know, he's like a New York, New Jersey. Like if you don't get our vibe, you're not gonna get it. You're not gonna get it.

Wendy (54:33.578)
He is funny.

Wendy (54:44.5)
people don't get him. They do not like him. People do not like my- they don't like- a lot of people do not like Michael Rapoport.

Lori (54:51.365)
And not to be political or anything, but it's the same reason a lot of people don't get Trump. Like, if you're not a New York, New Jersey person, you just, you don't get it. You're just like, what the fuck is that? And if you know, you know. That's all. If you don't know, you don't know.

Kelli (55:07.634)
Yeah, no, Michael Rapoport's like straight up New York and yeah, there's, you I get him. I get him.

Wendy (55:07.979)
Right.

Lori (55:10.679)
straight up New York. Just totally. Yeah. So the other thing I... Yeah.

Wendy (55:18.07)
So bottom line is they go to vote and every single person votes for Donna except for, except for Michael. Michael votes for Jam Jam. Michael doesn't vote for Donna. Cause Michael's got, Michael's got a hard on for Jam Jam for whatever reason. yeah. Michael's after Jam Jam. And obviously Donna votes for Michael, but everybody else votes for Donna. And we find out that Donna was the secret traitor.

Kelli (55:23.824)
Everyone!

Lori (55:24.619)
Everyone,

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (55:32.54)
Well, now it's personal.

Lori (55:41.925)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (55:47.364)
mic drop moment for them.

Lori (55:47.492)
And yeah, and the host, the host of the show, what's his name? Alan. What in the like macaroni and cheese and melted mustard? Like what, what in the glue gun painted orange? Like what? my God. I was just like, what is that? What is it? It was horrible. I loved his first gig with the tartan and everything.

Wendy (55:54.067)
Alan Cummings.

Wendy (56:06.026)
That outfit.

Lori (56:16.985)
But that mac and cheese outfit, I was just like, I don't know who lied to you. I don't know who lied to you about that. But they are not your friend. That's all I got to That's all I got to say. That's I got to say. It's my only note.

Kelli (56:21.144)
It was a choice. It was a choice.

Wendy (56:29.376)
He has a lot of choices in this. He'll have a lot of choices.

Wendy (56:36.758)
So after that, after that banishment, they head out for their next mission. The next mission is they need to pair up with the player who they trust the most. Okay.

Kelli (56:47.898)
and one person is not going to have a part.

Lori (56:51.373)
Right, because it's odd number.

Wendy (56:53.61)
And that's Ron. Ron's the odd man out. So Candice pairs up with Tara Lipinski, Jorinda pairs up with Lisa, Michael's with Tiffany. He offers Tiffany up to Ron because Ron's alone, but Ron says no, which I thought was very nice. I thought that was very nice.

Kelli (57:11.012)
Yeah, he did do that. I did too. I did too.

Lori (57:12.961)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (57:16.952)
Monet is with Natalie Rob and more are together to love island people Carolyn and Colton are together Eric and Johnny weir Jam Jam and Stephen and Mark and Kristen so They don't know what's going on, but one of the each team members has to go into the cage and the cages are gonna be

They don't know this when they decide who's going in the cage. The cages are going to be carried into the woods and who's ever still in the cage at the end of the game is up for murder.

So they decide who's going in the cage, they carry their cages into the woods, and then they find out that they need to go into the marsh, the people that are not in the cage, and they need to find 10 skulls, and they need to stack the 10 skulls to release their partner, and they have 10 minutes to complete this mission.

Kelli (58:14.259)
was not a lot of time to do that. I mean, I would have needed 10 minutes just to stack the skulls. And Johnny Weir, I think he's still there. I think he's still there looking for skulls. mean, if I were, Eric, is that the guy's name who paired up with him?

Lori (58:14.361)
Yeah, not a lot of time at all.

Wendy (58:18.014)
Not a lot of time.

Lori (58:22.533)
Absolutely.

Wendy (58:25.012)
needed 10 minutes just to collect them. I think he's still collecting them. I think so too. I think so too.

Lori (58:27.481)
Yeah, I he's still there. He's still there looking for Skye.

Wendy (58:36.874)
Yes. Yes, Eric.

Kelli (58:38.779)
Why would you send him to do that job? they didn't know, they didn't know. You had to think it was something physical though. And while I guess he's an Olympian.

Wendy (58:42.282)
Well, they didn't know when they were putting them in the cage. They didn't know. They didn't know. They didn't know.

Lori (58:44.515)
Yeah, they didn't know.

Lori (58:51.374)
You think?

Wendy (58:51.518)
You don't know. You just, don't know. Right?

Kelli (58:54.289)
Listen, he did a terrible, terrible job.

Lori (58:58.767)
Plus two, know, everybody's going to get them. And there's only so many there. So maybe they all got scooped up and he was like left with, you know I mean? So I don't think there's like this unlimited amount of skulls. So they got scooped up.

Kelli (59:06.887)
Maybe there wasn't 10 left for him. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (59:12.62)
So for every... number of skulls, right. So for every, every player released, they're going to get $5,000 added to the pot. So Rob was the first one to do it. He released Mora. Then Steven released Jam Jam. Monet released Natalie. Tiffany released Michael. Tara released Candice. So they got $25,000 for the pot.

Kelli (59:15.955)
Right.

Wendy (59:40.694)
So now the people up for murder are Lisa Rinna, Eric, Caroline, Stansberry, Kristen, and Ron.

They then are going to be pulled from their cages and tied to a tree and left out there to find out their fate.

Kelli (01:00:00.904)
You don't think they sat out there the whole time,

Lori (01:00:03.173)
post.

Wendy (01:00:04.98)
Ha ha ha!

Kelli (01:00:05.361)
I don't think they did either.

Lori (01:00:05.701)
My husband was watching at this point too and he's like, my god, are they really gonna get murdered? I'm like, dude, no, it's TV.

Kelli (01:00:15.667)
Is this the Hunger Games? He ain't lying, he ain't lying,

Lori (01:00:18.081)
Because you never know these days. I well you're kind of right, but no yeah, yeah, but no Yeah, but I'm like no. It's just all fake for the TV

Wendy (01:00:22.856)
It's so true, you don't know. You don't know.

So we don't know who is going to be murdered yet because the way it ends is Colton is questioning like what's going on with Tiffany because her and Michael were paired up together and Michael's the one who went in the cage so he thinks that Tiffany is in control which I don't necessarily think that's the case. I I think Michael and Tiffany are bonded because Tiffany

thinks that Michael may be a traitor and she's just kind of staying close to him. And I think, right, and I think Michael doesn't really have a clue.

Kelli (01:01:00.509)
She's keeping them closed.

Kelli (01:01:07.173)
and needs an ally and she's the only one willing to be his ally.

Lori (01:01:08.985)
Yes. And she's the only one. Right. Right.

Wendy (01:01:10.516)
Yes, yes, that's what I think's going on there.

Kelli (01:01:13.875)
especially now that Portia's gone because she was probably his only hope. Because he always says how much he loves her, how much she's a great housewife, like she's gone. So he needs somebody.

Wendy (01:01:22.827)
Yes.

Lori (01:01:23.481)
Right. Singing the praises. Yeah. He needs somebody. Yeah.

Wendy (01:01:29.302)
So the traitors are going to murder somebody face to face tonight. We don't know who. We see them up at the turret. And Candace lets them know then that Robb C said that someone was going to do a murder in plain sight the night that he was murdered. Because those two don't know that. She's the only one who knows that. So we're going to have to wait for the next episode. Right.

Lori (01:01:29.487)
So.

Kelli (01:01:47.985)
Yeah, they haven't talked about anything yet. They didn't even talk about Donna Kelsey being the secret traitor yet until they get to that turret.

Wendy (01:01:56.213)
Right. So this is where we're at with it. We're gonna have to wait for the next episode to see who's killed next and... what hap-

Kelli (01:02:03.589)
I like it.

Lori (01:02:04.3)
You're like, funny.

Wendy (01:02:07.753)
I like it too!

Lori (01:02:07.973)
You guys are funny. God.

Kelli (01:02:08.261)
It's something different for crying out loud. It's not anybody talking about somebody's kids and husband and calling private investigators, so I'll take it.

Lori (01:02:14.595)
Yeah, this is true. This is true. This is true. So I'll watch it to see what, if there's any more bad outfits from Alan. Cause that was bad, man. Bad. All right, so we'll see what happens next time.

Wendy (01:02:20.012)
I like it too.

Wendy (01:02:26.644)
Okay.

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