Toxic Love & Reality TV Fallout: Taylor & Dakota Breakdown

Wendy (00:01.038)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.397)
I'm Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:05.512)
and I'm Lori.

Wendy (00:07.468)
We thought we would jump on here today and talk about The Bachelorette and Taylor Frankie Paul and Dakota. It's all that's all over social media. Like that is the story. It is a dumpster fire. So I have never watched The Bachelorette The Bachelorette and I had intentions of watching The Bachelorette and right after the Oscars, there was like the premiere where Taylor went to the mansion.

We Wine Whenever (00:20.178)
It's a dumpster fire.

Kelli (00:22.203)
It's a dumpster fire.

We Wine Whenever (00:23.315)
It's a dumpster.

Wendy (00:37.334)
and she met a bunch of former bachelorettes and they gave her her advice. And I was like, this looks good. Like, let me watch this. So I watched it. Did either of you watch that?

We Wine Whenever (00:45.169)
No, I did not watch it. No. No, I didn't even.

Kelli (00:45.721)
No, I didn't even know it was on.

Wendy (00:47.276)
Okay. Yeah. I didn't know until after the Oscars and then I just looked it up on Hulu because it was, you were able to watch it on Hulu. And season four of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives came out recently and I am on episode six of that. And this is right now, episode six is four weeks before she goes to start filming The Bachelorette.

Kelli (01:14.085)
So at this point on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, she knows she's going to do the bachelor and so does everybody else.

Wendy (01:20.182)
Everybody else knows, yes, because she found out, I think she found out at the reunion, the season three reunion, when they found out they were going to do Dancing with the Stars, and episode five, they just premiered Dancing with the Stars. So they're all in LA on episode five, and I just, like I said, I'm just starting six. And her and Dakota are broken up, but also, I just found this out.

So you guys didn't watch, you only watched season one, correct? Okay, so in season two, they went to Vanderpump Villa, the ladies, a couple of the ladies went to Vanderpump Villa. And it was Jessie, Demi, Jen and Layla, I believe. And there was a whole big thing about Marciano and this whole big thing, right?

We Wine Whenever (01:53.853)
Yeah, we only watched season one.

We Wine Whenever (02:17.577)
Yeah, I saw that.

Wendy (02:20.396)
So I watched that and I watched that on Vanderpump Villa. I didn't watch the whole thing, but I watched the part with them. Well, on this season of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, the men now came up with their own thing. They're calling it Dad Talk. And the men were invited to Vanderpump Villa, but now it's in England. It's in England. So Dakota goes to Vanderpump Villa, even though him and

Like he shouldn't even be there because they're not together, right? But he's part of Dad Talk now.

Kelli (02:53.115)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (02:56.563)
Well, I think he's got his, yeah, but I think he's got his own agenda also.

Kelli (02:56.571)
Well, he is a father of one of their kids.

Wendy (02:59.733)
Her kid, yeah.

Wendy (03:04.85)
yeah, I do think he has his own agenda. I definitely think that. So he just, they just, the guys just got back from Vanderpump Villa and Taylor found out that he slept with somebody there because he told her, because she asked him the information and she said, you know, I want to know all the details. Tell me everything. it kind of turns me on. And then she gets the information and she goes like, she goes psycho. Like you saw the video.

The video from 2023 where she's just throwing stuff and acting like a lunatic.

Kelli (03:37.627)
So at the end of season one, we saw the video of her on the porch talking to the cops because the neighbors called the cops. That's all we saw up until right now, right? But what was just released is what happened prior to her speaking to the cop on the porch. What led up to the neighbors calling, right?

Wendy (03:45.262)
Correct.

Mm-hmm.

Wendy (03:57.968)
Yes, because that's

We Wine Whenever (04:01.917)
believe so.

Wendy (04:01.952)
Yes, because if you watch the video, you can see it's Dakota that is taking the video. He's holding his phone and recording it. So my thought is, obviously Dakota is the one who leaked this. That's how this video came out. And just three weeks ago, there was another issue where the police were called, where she attacked him. And she's still on probation.

Kelli (04:08.695)
Absolutely. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (04:10.707)
Yes.

Wendy (04:29.294)
from the other incident in 2023 where she pled guilty.

We Wine Whenever (04:32.936)
Yeah, it's not good. It's not good. So, supposedly now the father of the two kids from the first marriage has custody of the children. So then there's always this question of, okay, so why didn't Dakota release that video in the very beginning?

Wendy (04:35.574)
It's not good.

Kelli (04:44.133)
her first marriage,

We Wine Whenever (04:59.505)
And then, and then I think to myself, well, you know, maybe it's a case where his lawyer said, look, I know this video is damaging and blah, blah, blah, but she's going to mess up again because that's just how these things go. So maybe just hold onto it. And maybe when something else happens, you'll have like the double whammy and then we can just get her done.

Wendy (04:59.522)
So, yeah.

Wendy (05:29.518)
I mean, that's a possibility. will say, Dakota just got custody of their son today. He got custody of their son, and the other dad has the custody of the other two children. Did either of you watch Tell Me Lies?

We Wine Whenever (05:35.967)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (05:46.169)
No.

Wendy (05:48.056)
So Tell Me Lies was this series, I think it was on Netflix, and there's a character in there. It goes on for like six seasons, but there's this character in there, Steven, who is kind of diabolical, like Dakota, and has this video evidence of another player in the show, and he holds onto it for three years, and then all of a sudden releases it. Like he...

holds it over her head and says that, know, he blackmails her with it and then finally he gives it to her and then he releases it. I really feel like kind of Dakota, this is what he did. Like he waited until she's about to premiere The Bachelorette. He didn't want her to go to begin with. If you watch them in season four, they have a very toxic relationship.

We Wine Whenever (06:16.762)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (06:40.716)
You can actually see though, he really does love her. He does love her, but she's a disaster. She's an absolute disaster.

We Wine Whenever (06:47.389)
Yeah, she's a disaster. Yes.

Kelli (06:47.611)
I think they both are, and I don't know if either of you saw this, but a spokesperson for her told Page Six, this is a spokesperson for Taylor, told Page Six, Taylor is very grateful for ABC's support as she prioritizes her family's safety and security. After years of silently suffering, extensive mental and physical abuse, as well as

threats of retaliation, Taylor is finally gaining the strength to face her accuser and taking steps to ensure that she and her children are protected from any further harm. There are too many women who are suffering in silence as they survive aggressive, jealous ex-partners who refuse to let them move on with their lives. They add, Taylor has remained silent out of fear of further abuse, retaliation, and public shaming.

She is currently exploring all of her options, seeking support, and preparing to own and share her story. Now, I agree that there are way too women in this world who are suffering from domestic violence.

I don't want to say anything wrong here.

Personal I don't want to say anything wrong

We Wine Whenever (08:16.009)
So basically...

Kelli (08:16.569)
She, it does, her behavior doesn't typically exhibit.

We Wine Whenever (08:22.825)
Someone who's been abused. That's what you're trying to say.

Kelli (08:26.211)
Maybe not because maybe he has mentally manipulated her. That I believe 100%. I believe that they have both mentally manipulated each other. But she's clearly very violent in that video. just for a minute, imagine if that were a man. Now.

We Wine Whenever (08:35.719)
Yes, I do believe that too. Each other. Yes.

Kelli (08:48.943)
We all saw what happened to Mike from Shas of Sunset when that video was released of he and his ex fiance Paulina. That was it. Mike was off the show. Mike was off of Bravo. Mike was never heard from again. It's a very similar video. She is. I'm not I'm not taking away the fact that Dakota may have been physical with her as well at some point, but that video is is solid proof.

We Wine Whenever (09:13.779)
Right. Right.

Kelli (09:19.439)
that she's been physical with him. Whether it's self-defense, I don't know. But there was a baby in that room, and the baby got injured.

We Wine Whenever (09:31.709)
Yeah, I mean, putting aside even injured, that you would have an altercation like that in front of a child is the first ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. There's a big problem for both of you. Because someone, namely him, if she was in that state, he should have walked away. He should have left.

Wendy (09:50.702)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:56.432)
I totally 100 % agree with you. I understand the value of recording someone's bad behavior, especially if you're in a domestic relationship with them, but your child was there. Put the fucking phone down and get the kid out of there. Because any one of us would have done that. that wasn't their child together?

We Wine Whenever (10:10.301)
and leave. Right. Get the kid out of there and leave.

Wendy (10:13.442)
That wasn't his child. That wasn't his child.

We Wine Whenever (10:16.893)
Right. Okay. But he could have put the phone down and just left though. There was that option. Right.

Wendy (10:18.99)
No, no.

Kelli (10:22.043)
No matter whose kid it is. That's interesting though, I didn't know it wasn't their kid. Okay. But it doesn't matter whose kid it was, get the kid out of there.

Wendy (10:24.578)
Yeah, that wasn't his child. No, that wasn't his child. No, it doesn't matter. And I'm not, listen, I don't condone violence ever, whether it's emotional violence or physical violence, right? But I do believe, this is my true belief, like they both have serious mental health issues, both of them.

We Wine Whenever (10:28.127)
No, it was her.

Kelli (10:40.164)
Of course.

We Wine Whenever (10:52.433)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Kelli (10:52.633)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (10:53.958)
And they both have trauma. She did talk a little bit about the trauma from her biological father. She'd been talking about it, and she was just recently talking about it on the episode I'm watching, that he, you know, he never, she didn't have a relationship with him. He didn't want to be a part of her life. He didn't want anything to do with her. So she felt this abandonment. And, you know, she, and she talks about this too. They're both going to therapy, but they need to heal themselves.

before they could ever consider a relationship. And unfortunately, you know, even her friends, every one of her friends on MomTalk is telling her that she is self-sabotaging, this bachelorette. She's self-sabotaging. I mean, she slept with in LA when they were out there for the premiere of Dancing with the Stars. Dakota came out, they're like, why is he here? Why is he here?

We Wine Whenever (11:23.764)
Yes.

Kelli (11:27.172)
Absolutely.

Wendy (11:49.184)
She invited a DJ to come over to the house. They're all staying at the same house in LA. She invites this DJ to come over. I forget his name. And she did it to piss him off. She said, I did it to make him jealous and piss him off. And he's like, she did this to piss me off. And they're outside talking to each other. And Dakota is like bonding with this guy. And then Dakota and Taylor start fighting in front of him. And Dakota's like, I'm gonna cry. And he's like, I'm gonna cry. Like, this is crazy, like what I'm going through. And you could see like,

the look on this guy's face, this, this like, innocent person who comes into this situation. And the other women are like, we are so numb to this because they see this all the time with Dakota and Taylor. They fight, they get back together.

Kelli (12:30.523)
It's like a middle school or high school relationship that has not evolved on top of physically abusive people, both of them, because they're both.

We Wine Whenever (12:38.321)
Ever evolved further than that, yes.

Wendy (12:39.959)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (12:46.025)
Yeah, it's crazy.

Wendy (12:46.284)
Yes. Yeah. So that same night that she's there bringing this other guy over and she brings up that he was at the villa and he slept with somebody and those two are arguing, she sleeps with him. The next morning they find him in bed with him. No, Dakota. No, she sleeps with Dakota.

Kelli (12:59.365)
The other guy, not Dakota, the other guy?

We Wine Whenever (13:01.331)
Dakota! The night before she's supposed to leave for the bachelorette.

Wendy (13:06.616)
She slept at Dakota.

Kelli (13:08.613)
See, part of me does think that this was a big F-U to her. Like, you're not getting the bachelorette. You're not. Yeah, no, I agree with that. Yes, I agree with that. The other side of it, you know? I'm sorry, but these networks were well aware of this woman and her antics, basically.

Wendy (13:17.058)
Well, that's what I'm saying. Yes, I think that he held onto this. I think he held onto this. Like you asked, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (13:37.443)
yeah, listen, it gets some ratings. Look, we're doing a stupid podcast on it. Like, you know, they see it as dollar sign.

Kelli (13:38.128)
You know?

Kelli (13:43.611)
At some point, you're right, and we are literally part of the problem.

Wendy (13:52.312)
Yes, and our podcast is not stupid. Our topic is.

Kelli (13:55.066)
Right, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But like these networks, like you knew who she was. I don't want to hear boohoo you're going to lose all this money. Cause first of all, it's the drop in the bucket. You shouldn't have cast her. She's a problem. She's a problem.

We Wine Whenever (13:55.177)
You know what I'm saying.

We Wine Whenever (14:05.631)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (14:09.919)
That was a dumb idea to have her on anyway.

Wendy (14:18.368)
Yeah, she's definitely a problem. I mean, Nick Viall.

Kelli (14:19.759)
She should never be on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives again. She shouldn't. And I know she's a key player on that show. I know she's like probably the biggest one, but at some point people have to face consequences, right?

Wendy (14:30.36)
She is. Yeah, she is.

We Wine Whenever (14:37.727)
But I mean, we've seen this time and again with people with, you know, bad behavior, illegal behavior, and they're still on their do-dee-doo-dee-doo. And you know what I think is really weird about this whole Taylor thing? She's still posting away.

Kelli (14:40.731)
for sure.

Wendy (14:55.01)
right now.

Kelli (14:55.559)
that's what I mean. There's no humility. There's no, listen, take everything else away. you know, women who are in relationships and suffer from, you know, domestic violence, my heart breaks for you and I hope you, you know, find help and maybe we can post some, you know, links. She's part of the problem.

We Wine Whenever (14:55.933)
Right now! I'll post it away!

Wendy (15:21.506)
Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

Kelli (15:22.841)
She has proven to be part of the problem. There are innocent women out there in domestic violence situations who are not part of the problem, who are true victims.

We Wine Whenever (15:23.071)
Absolutely. She's part of the problem.

We Wine Whenever (15:37.203)
Yes.

Wendy (15:37.868)
Well, and because she has the means to get herself out of this, right? She has the means. you know, last season, season three, she did take time to go to like a wellness, like she missed a trip. She went to like a wellness retreat for a couple of weeks and she had Dakota watch her son. And I guess the other father watched the other kids and she did go, she said to take care of her mental health. But like you said, Lori, she's still posting right now. So.

We Wine Whenever (15:42.431)
Absolutely.

Kelli (15:42.478)
Absolutely.

Wendy (16:06.848)
Why did her family not sit her down and say, listen, we're doing an intervention. You need to go someplace. I'm taking your phone. I mean, I know she's an adult. I know she's an adult, and she's got free will. But somebody has to have her back. And I feel like she doesn't have anyone who's going to be there for her and say, this is enough. You need to stop. Take her phone away.

We Wine Whenever (16:14.964)
Right.

Kelli (16:30.255)
Well, I remember at some point, I don't know if I was still watching the show or not, but I remember seeing on social media, I guess she had some kind of conversation with her stepfather and people were like, I would never let my stepfather talk to me like that. Now don't know how long this guy's been in her life, but she said herself, I believe, like she wasn't the easiest kid to deal with growing up. So this guy's probably had it. And let's not forget,

Wendy (16:54.102)
Right, right.

Kelli (17:00.239)
The reason this show got the notoriety it did and the interest it did is because some of these women were swingers with each other's husbands and she was one of them. Exactly, and she outed it. So not only did she do it, but she, and I'm sure that all of these issues go back to the fact that her father abandoned her and she has serious abandonment issues and that's probably

We Wine Whenever (17:11.347)
Right. Absolutely. Right.

Wendy (17:11.512)
Taylor! Taylor's the one who outed it. She outed it.

Kelli (17:29.143)
exactly where this all stems from, but she wanted to be famous and to become famous, she outed all of her friends for doing, for swinging. Basically, that's how I took it. Like she wanted this show to pop off, which it did, it worked, but at the price of what? I do.

We Wine Whenever (17:44.402)
Absolutely.

Wendy (17:49.678)
I don't think she was that calculated. No, she wasn't that calculated. no, she's not that smart. I mean, listen, I do like her. No, she's not. She's not. She's really not. Taylor serves Taylor. Everything she does is for herself. She put it out there because it was already out there and she wanted the narrative to come from her. She's the one who did a lie.

Kelli (17:55.68)
I think she is. I think she is.

Kelli (18:05.785)
Right!

Kelli (18:17.029)
but they had already filmed the show, didn't they?

Wendy (18:19.818)
No, no, no, she got the show after this.

Kelli (18:22.575)
That's why they filmed the show. Nobody's gonna just, nobody's gonna do a show about a bunch of Mormon wives who go on TikTok. The kicker was that they were swingers. That's how they got the show. That was the hook.

Wendy (18:25.112)
Well...

Wendy (18:33.976)
But mom talked

We Wine Whenever (18:37.031)
Right. That's that's how that's that's where they get out was a hook. That's was what you know, that was a line that was thrown out there that reeled everybody in. right. Right.

Kelli (18:45.435)
Yeah, otherwise, who gives a shit? Yeah. You're just another reality show.

Wendy (18:45.9)
That was definitely a hook. But prior to them.

Wendy (18:54.03)
Prior to them getting the secret lives of Mormon wives, they were very financially successful doing the TikToks with their brand deals and

Kelli (19:01.049)
Right. Yeah. Cause they were individually getting brand deals. Right. Right, right, And right.

We Wine Whenever (19:01.299)
with their TikTok shit, yeah.

Wendy (19:07.04)
And as a group, both, individually and as a group, they were, all of the women were financially supporting their families. Every single one of them, every single one of those mom talkers were financially supporting their family.

We Wine Whenever (19:15.913)
through their mom talk.

Kelli (19:16.345)
Right. Yeah.

I mean, they were renting a completely separate house to do their recordings. That wasn't a house that any of them lived in, and that was a nice house.

Wendy (19:26.04)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (19:28.316)
No.

Wendy (19:30.348)
Right. As a matter of fact, the episode that I just finished watching in LA, Jessie wasn't there. She showed up later because she was in New York for the virtual reality when she won the Boss Babe Award that we were at. Yes! Yes! So she came back with like... Yes. And if you watch this season four, that's like, that writing is on the wall. Like that marriage is over. It's over. Like...

Kelli (19:43.373)
we were there. I did just see that her husband filed divorce, Jessie.

Wendy (20:01.1)
Yeah, I mean, and Jessie's already successful. So that's the other thing with her husband filing a divorce. Let's just bring that up real quick. So Jessie's very successful with her hair extensions and her salon. So that's franchised. That's all her. So she had a prenup. She thought she was gonna be okay, but then she showed it to her lawyer and it didn't have a witness. doesn't have a witness. Her prenup doesn't have a witness. she...

didn't do it properly.

We Wine Whenever (20:33.237)
for goodness sake. you go through all that and get something drawn up and then...

Kelli (20:39.301)
I mean, in New Jersey, can't you just, I mean, in New Jersey, I think you could have just had it notarized by somebody, right? I mean, I would imagine that would be enough.

Wendy (20:39.628)
Yes.

Wendy (20:46.892)
Yeah, I don't know, but when she brought it to her attorney, she thought she would be okay. And then she found out she wasn't gonna be okay. It hasn't played out yet on this season, but I feel like it's going to at the end because we know that he filed for divorce. And, you know, I don't know. She's actually, she has done the work. Like she was successful in her own business. She built it on her own.

We Wine Whenever (20:48.307)
now. She messed up my

Wendy (21:15.086)
prior to the mom talk, prior to secret lives of Mormon wives, like she was a business woman, she still is.

Kelli (21:20.239)
Yeah, and who knows what that state's laws are, but he could possibly be entitled to half? that would be horrible.

We Wine Whenever (21:29.663)
Mm-hmm. That would be horrible. So the bottom line is no matter what the whole situation with Taylor and Dakota I told you now what I tell you what I tell you what I told you I told you anybody with three names is the problem. It's a problem Yeah It's a problem

Wendy (21:32.042)
It would be horrible.

Kelli (21:38.863)
Taylor Frankie Paul.

Wendy (21:41.006)
I

Wendy (21:44.864)
Anybody with three names? Three first names is a problem. Three. Three first names.

Kelli (21:47.717)
two first names.

Kelli (21:54.556)
Three first names. That is hysterical.

We Wine Whenever (21:57.588)
But the whole thing is it is very, very, very sad. It's sad.

Kelli (22:03.715)
I totally agree, especially with that baby being in the room.

Wendy (22:05.518)
So back to The Bachelorette. This is who I feel sorry for on The Bachelorette. So according to TMZ, like the first episode is all ready to go because it was airing on Sunday and maybe two other episodes after that. The rest of it was still not done in post-production. It wasn't edited. It wasn't done. So there's a whole team of people that have been contracted to do that work and now they don't have a job. They don't have a job. The other thing they talked about on TMZ is, you know, when they do these

We Wine Whenever (22:27.698)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (22:33.484)
these specials like the Bachelorette, you know, they'll get flights from whatever, United, and that's gonna be a part of the package. Like, they're not gonna pay for the flights, because they're gonna talk about it when it airs. Well, if it's not gonna air, then all that revenue is gone. So, and all these bachelors that, you know, took time out of their life to come and leave their jobs.

Kelli (22:48.08)
Right.

Kelli (22:54.029)
I was wondering, do they get paid for that?

Wendy (22:58.984)
Usually they don't, mean, nominal, I shouldn't say not. They usually make like a nominal amount of money, depending on how long they're there, because they're not the name, they're not the draw. Like, you know, they're just kind of going on an open casting call. They're the ones who want to get their face out there, right?

Kelli (22:59.195)
Do they get paid to be a contestant? Okay.

Kelli (23:08.868)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (23:15.539)
Right.

Kelli (23:15.693)
And you know, the other thing cousin Gina sent us was interesting because I didn't know this. I used to watch The Bachelor and Bachelor Right years and years ago, but I've stopped. But I was going to watch this. The top four remaining. Normally one of those four, like so on The Bachelor at the top four, bachelors remaining, one of them would be chosen to be the new bachelor on the next season of The Bachelor. So now

We Wine Whenever (23:43.753)
guess.

Wendy (23:44.184)
Yes.

Kelli (23:46.724)
So now you don't have anyone as a contender for that. So really, when you announce the next Bachelor, there's really not any interest invested because we don't know these people. If you watch The Bachelorette and you see how they made it to the top four, you feel like you kind of know them and you're interested in them in some sort of way. We don't even have that. So now it's affecting the next season of The Bachelor, which again, I don't feel bad for these networks.

We Wine Whenever (23:50.685)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (23:58.878)
Right, you're just starting out fresh again.

We Wine Whenever (24:09.31)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (24:14.129)
and

Kelli (24:16.585)
Ha ha ha!

We Wine Whenever (24:17.159)
Right. And it was interesting that the gentleman that she chose, that she supposedly got engaged to, looks just like Dakota.

Kelli (24:30.394)
There's, oh, well, he'll be the next bachelor. So it got, so it was wrapped. Oh yeah, cause it was gonna go. So he'll probably be the next bachelor. Oh, he'll definitely be the next bachelor. Cause who's not gonna be interested in this guy now that he got this, I don't wanna, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be rude. This girl, I don't wanna be rude. Cause what I wanna say is not gonna be nice. I'm not saying it.

Wendy (24:36.46)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (24:37.117)
Yeah, I guess so.

Wendy (24:48.492)
Yeah.

Don't say it, don't do it.

We Wine Whenever (24:53.927)
And now they postponed the next season of Mormon Wives.

Kelli (25:03.535)
Well, they stopped filming. They halted filming. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (25:03.598)
No, they stopped, they're in the middle of filming. Yeah, they halted filming. Yeah, honestly, what I think, I think they should continue filming without Taylor. I think that they, should get to see, because the other women, first of all, they have given a lot and they're the ones who said that they don't wanna film with Taylor anymore because of this. So.

We Wine Whenever (25:04.851)
They stopped filming. That's what I'm saying. They halted filming. Yeah. So there's that too.

Kelli (25:17.285)
I agree with you.

We Wine Whenever (25:23.423)
Yeah.

Kelli (25:23.449)
Yes!

Kelli (25:29.355)
I don't blame them, especially if they've had to be witnessed to some of this and have been present during some of this. And this is the thing. This is an ensemble cast. You could be the biggest Taylor, Frankie, Paul fan out there. She's on an ensemble cast. She is not the show. Stop making these women feel like they are the show. It's not good.

We Wine Whenever (25:34.345)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (25:34.647)
Yes!

Wendy (25:57.326)
So rumor has it, yeah, I agree. Rumor has it if Taylor's out, Jessie would be the new like head. Yeah, because Taylor was the lead, but rumor has it it would be Jessie. Which I could definitely see because again, she is the established business woman. She is the one who, you know, this wasn't her whole life. She had a life prior to this.

Kelli (25:57.498)
It's not good for us as viewers or for them.

We Wine Whenever (26:07.103)
it girl.

Wendy (26:25.91)
unlike a lot of them that were just stay at home moms or single moms, know? Layla's a single mom.

Kelli (26:29.531)
Why did everybody have to be, like what was Taylor's role in Mom Talk that made her like head bitch in charge? Like did she do the posting? Did she, you know, but I mean like, like in a business sense, like the three of us are in a business, right? Like what made her like think that she was like the head of everything where now they're saying that Jesse's gonna be the head of it.

We Wine Whenever (26:37.919)
Because she spilled the beans. She spilled the beans.

Wendy (26:54.016)
It's not that she thought it, they all thought it. They all gave it to her. They all said that she was in charge. Like she was the one who brought them all together. She's the one, like it was her and Miranda. So Miranda wasn't on the first season that you guys saw. Miranda was the other wife that she was swinging with, right? And so Miranda's husband at the time when they were swinging was this guy, Chase.

Kelli (27:10.639)
Right. Right. I saw the reunion where she came back though.

Wendy (27:23.82)
Chase is on it now. Like now we see Chase. Chase and Miranda are on it together. They're separated. They're co-parenting. Chase's brother, Mason, is on. He was dating Layla, but they're not dating anymore. So they gave her that title. It wasn't that she self-appointed herself. They all agreed that Taylor was in charge.

Because that's what the big thing was in the second season was that Whitney, like it was the Saints versus the Sinners, right? Like Whitney wanted to be, right? Whitney wanted to be.

Kelli (27:56.924)
Yeah, yeah, I mean you could tell that there was, know, conflict, yes, 100%. Why is this not?

Wendy (28:02.508)
a little bit of rivalry, right?

Yeah. So the other thing is Nick Vile is the one who did the reunion for season two. Stassi did it for season three.

Kelli (28:14.339)
I watched that reunion, he was horrible. He was horrible.

Wendy (28:18.092)
He was absolutely horrible.

He said he is responsible for her being the bachelorette because he said that she should be the next bachelorette and because ABC chose her, he said that that was his brilliant decision. I'm like, I don't know that I'd be touting that at this point.

We Wine Whenever (28:35.967)
Really? How'd that work out?

Kelli (28:36.531)
yeah, you might want to close... Exactly. Close it up.

Wendy (28:39.726)
Right, what would you think in there, Nick? I mean, I don't really like Nick, to be honest with you. I do listen to some of his stuff because he does get some good guests on, but I don't particularly care for him because he's also from The Bachelor. Like, that's where his roots are.

We Wine Whenever (28:42.025)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (28:45.666)
No, I don't either.

We Wine Whenever (28:53.673)
Yeah.

Kelli (28:54.499)
just feel like anytime anybody goes on his podcast, there's always, and listen, maybe he does it on purpose, but there's always like backlash when the show, any reality TV show personalities, when they go on his podcast, when the shows resume, there's always strife between cast mates because of something that happened on Nick Viall's podcast. Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (29:19.517)
NuckFiles podcast. Yeah.

Wendy (29:24.078)
I mean, it's very possible. I'm not a huge fan of his. I'm not. And it's him and his wife. Yeah. But again, I listen because I only listen when he's got a guest on that I want to hear about. he'll do a whole hour about nothing. And then I'll just skip to the guest I want to hear. I can't imagine doing a whole hour about absolutely nothing.

Kelli (29:27.483)
I don't listen. I know.

Kelli (29:36.155)
That you're interested in, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (29:47.807)
about nothing, yeah.

Kelli (29:49.179)
now.

Wendy (29:50.7)
Right?

I mean, guess if you're getting paid, I mean, he's making a lot of money. So I don't know why I'm criticizing him because I honestly would hope that we obviously are not. So Nick, if you want to sponsor us, we love you. You're our favorite podcast.

Kelli (29:56.505)
Yeah. I know he's doing something right.

We Wine Whenever (30:02.472)
Yeah, wow.

Kelli (30:05.443)
Nick, hit us up!

We Wine Whenever (30:06.323)
Yeah.

Stop shit talking. Yeah, if you do Yeah

Wendy (30:11.214)
Let's do a collab. Let's do a collab.

Kelli (30:12.559)
Maybe.

We Wine Whenever (30:19.081)
So what's everybody's prediction? Do you think this is just gonna all float away and we're never gonna see either one of them again? Do you think the network's gonna wait a while and then put it out?

Kelli (30:27.963)
I think Dakota got a big old.

I think that Dakota got a big ol' payday and I think that that quote that I gave you from her spokesperson is lining her up to get her own special to give her side of the story.

Wendy (30:47.948)
Or she's writing a book.

We Wine Whenever (30:48.159)
Probably. yes.

Kelli (30:49.667)
or she's writing a book. She's gonna get her story out there and she's gonna get paid to do it. Is my take on it. And I think Dakota got a big ass payday for this.

Wendy (31:02.722)
Yeah, I don't think it's gonna air. I think it's gonna go the way of the ultimate girls trip that we'll never see with Caroline Manzo. I don't think we'll ever see this season. I don't think we will. And I think it's unfortunate.

We Wine Whenever (31:09.385)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (31:12.641)
You think that's it? You think season five will just go by the wayside of Secret Lies of Mormon Wives?

Wendy (31:18.12)
No, I think The Bachelorette. I don't think we're ever gonna see that season of The Bachelorette. I don't think we'll ever see that.

We Wine Whenever (31:20.627)
Yeah.

Kelli (31:20.747)
the bat- yeah, yeah that's-

Kelli (31:27.321)
No, I think you're right there. But I agree with you, they should pick cameras back up on secret lives of Mormon wives. Get these other girls the opportunities that they deserve. Like you said, they've all given some.

We Wine Whenever (31:34.163)
without her.

Wendy (31:42.7)
Yes. I, yes. Yes.

Kelli (31:44.525)
and their husbands, like let them proceed without her.

Wendy (31:49.1)
Yes, that's what I think should happen. And Dakota, I don't really care. I don't care. I don't care what happens to Dakota. I really don't.

Kelli (31:55.046)
But I stand by, if she were a man, this would be a much different conversation. There would be no question we would never hear from that guy again. Cut off.

We Wine Whenever (31:59.677)
forget. Almost definitely.

We Wine Whenever (32:09.971)
But so this is a thing. So she calls the cops. He didn't show the cops the video then. I mean, he called the cops. Right. But he didn't show the cops the video then.

Kelli (32:14.491)
She didn't call the cops, the neighbors called the cops.

Wendy (32:17.672)
The neighbor called the cops.

Kelli (32:22.821)
He dropped the charges. He wound up dropping the charges.

Wendy (32:23.178)
No. Right. Well, she pled guilty. And then when he called the cops most recently, a couple of weeks ago, she talked him out of going forward with it. And then his friend saw the marks on his neck because supposedly she was choking him with his necklace. And then the friend called the cops.

We Wine Whenever (32:43.965)
necklace.

Wendy (32:48.63)
So they are investigating us and they are both giving two totally different stories, but I'll be honest with you. I'm kind of, she is the violent one. We've never once seen him raise a hand.

Kelli (32:59.397)
Well, what needs to happen is if somebody, if this statement that she gave is true and he has been physical with her, I would imagine that somebody other than Taylor and Dakota would know about it. I would think that if other people have seen her be physical with him, there have been glimpses of him being aggressive or something with her.

Wendy (33:15.527)
I would think.

Wendy (33:26.488)
Did she say physical or did she say, did she say physical?

Kelli (33:31.575)
after years of silently suffering extensive mental and physical abuse, as well as threats of retaliation. Taylor is finally gaining the strength to face her accuser.

We Wine Whenever (33:49.384)
You know, listen, it's just a sin and a shame that people in any reality show capacity have to make money off of bad behavior. It's just a shame.

Kelli (34:05.893)
Well, and can we all stop for a second and think of her poor children who are young now, but aren't always going to be young and are at some point going to know that their mother, not only was she a swinger with their father and outed it, she, you know, was, was in a physical abuse of relationship with somebody where she was also guilty of the physical abuse. And listen,

We Wine Whenever (34:16.188)
No.

We Wine Whenever (34:24.724)
Right.

Wendy (34:26.378)
No. Well, yeah, the two of them.

Kelli (34:35.567)
This article says alleged. I'm not saying alleged because she was physically abusive to him in that video. We all saw it. There's no allegedly, you know? And they're gonna know that she filmed an entire show that can't even be filmed because it's just so messed up. Like, go get help. Go get help. Being famous is not that worth it to...

We Wine Whenever (34:43.207)
Right. There's no legend in that. Right.

Wendy (34:54.176)
aired. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (35:01.811)
Well, hopefully.

Kelli (35:06.607)
to do this to your children. If you didn't have kids, have at it. But you have kids. They're number one.

Wendy (35:06.956)
No!

We Wine Whenever (35:16.211)
Well, hopefully that will be the outcome that she will, that they will both get help and no longer be in a relationship with each other in any capacity except for peaceably co-parenting their child.

Wendy (35:16.685)
Yeah, so.

Kelli (35:31.951)
Yeah, at some point you gotta throw in the towel.

Wendy (35:32.419)
Yes.

Yeah, let's, our viewers, if you could let us know, our listeners, let us know what your thoughts are. Like, where do you think this should go? What do you think should happen? What would be the ideal situation? Give us your thoughts.

Kelli (35:46.565)
Yeah. And in no way do any of us think that Dakota is innocent in this. At all.

Wendy (35:52.16)
No, no, no, no.

We Wine Whenever (35:52.647)
No, no, no, no.

Wendy (35:57.902)
Alright, so thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye.

Kelli (36:04.421)
Bye.

We Wine Whenever (36:04.468)
Bye.