The Valley S3 E9: Debt, Divorce & Danny Drama 💸💔🍷

Kelli (00:00.901)
Hi, welcome to We Mine Whenever I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:03.617)
I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:05.705)
And tonight we're talking about the Valley season three, episode nine, till debt do us part. we'd like to request that you follow us and on Instagram, subscribe to YouTube, share, like, five star reviews, all the things. And we appreciate it if you've already done so. And I have to say, I it was just brought to my attention. We mentioned it or in an earlier podcast that somebody had left us a voicemail on pod page, which we didn't even know you could do.

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Wendy (00:41.314)
Yes.

Wendy (00:56.856)
Yeah, we appreciate it. We definitely appreciate it.

Kelli (00:59.631)
So the episode starts with Luke and Kristen on a date night. And I liked this scene because not a lot happened. However, Kristen does kind of confirm like she's happy that they had their conversation in San Diego. And

You know, she understands he's a new dad too. And like all the things we were saying, she kind of reiterated to him, which was nice. So they seem like they're in a much better place. Yes. Yeah. Listen, postpartum is no joke. No joke. And it's your first baby. You have no clue what you're doing. And you can't decide how you're gonna parent a child together until you have that child. Let's face it. Because you don't even know.

Wendy (01:30.85)
Yes.

You could see she was truly happy.

Yeah.

Wendy (01:42.179)
No joke.

Kelli (01:54.438)
What decisions you have to make. I mean, obviously the big one, school and stuff like that. But like, you don't you don't know what that baby's coming with. My my son had to have major surgery at two weeks old because he had something called pyloric stenosis. And Eric and I, of course, had never heard of that before. I'd give him a bottle and he'd throw it up across the room. I'm like, what is this kid's problem? We kept changing

Wendy (02:04.131)
You don't.

Wendy (02:19.021)
Yeah.

Kelli (02:19.963)
Formula like we didn't know he needed to have major surgery at two weeks old, go under anesthesia, general, and my husband wanted terrifying. He was a l he looked like a little sick bird. Eric, of course, when our pediatrician said he needs surgery, was like Eric was like, We're going to chop and my doctor was like, You don't have time to go to chop. You need to get to Jersey Shore, like now. It was frightening.

Wendy (02:29.538)
Which is terrifying.

Kelli (02:49.893)
But so these are the things that come up, and you don't you don't know. Like, thank God my sister was on vacation. I dropped Tesla. It was a it was a nightmare. Anyway, not to make this about me, but I'm happy that they're in a better place. you know, it's interesting how ride or die Kristen and Luke are for Danny and Naya. And I I like it. Kristen tells Luke.

Wendy (02:50.35)
That's scary. Right. No, that's scary.

Kelli (03:14.917)
that La La brought up Danny at the brunch and they both agree that Danny and Nia have been essential to them on being new parents. And I you know

Wendy (03:25.354)
I listen, they have been. And I love that like you said, I love that they're ride or die for them. Because that's what good friends do. That's what good friends do. They have each other's backs. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Kelli (03:31.376)
Yeah.

Kelli (03:38.994)
People are coming coming at us in our comments for defending Danny. And, you know, please understand that we agree that Danny hasn't shown the best side of himself and hasn't been the kindest to Nia. We personally feel that he does that while he's under the influence of alcohol.

If that's not the case, then we stand corrected and Danny needs some heavy therapy. But they do seem like, you know it it j it it's their dynamic and like she said, like they go to therapy, they work it out, and that's what's a that's what a healthy relationship is, is that if you can acknowledge that there's a flaw and go to a third party to help you fix it, really.

Wendy (04:24.866)
Yeah.

Wendy (04:31.054)
I mean, at their age and when we were their age, who doesn't drink, right? And who doesn't drink too much sometimes and act stupid? Like like Nia has pointed out, they all have done it. They've all done it, right? It just so happens that when Danny does it, he is disrespectful to his wife and to other females. That's what Danny's pattern is.

Kelli (04:45.455)
Yeah.

Kelli (04:56.769)
Right. It's probably everyone in general, just his friends aren't calling him out on it. You know, the guys aren't. You saw Jesse. Jesse was lips were locked. He wasn't saying anything.

Wendy (05:02.655)
Right.

Wendy (05:07.35)
Right. Jesse was not another one. He's another good friend to him. He's a ride or die. He's not going to badmouth his friend. He's not going to do it. He's not. And you know, we're not saying that his actions are good. We're just saying that he's made a mistake and he's correcting it and he owns it. And that's what I don't understand with La La and Janet. Because they're saying they're not he's not owning it. He apologized for it and he owned it. So how is he not owning it?

Kelli (05:13.913)
No, no.

Wendy (05:37.356)
How is he not owning it?

Kelli (05:37.586)
Yeah, and you know what's you know what's interesting? We're finding all of this information out about Jax, right? Clearly they were all ride or die for Jax. Clearly Jason was that friend who wasn't gonna call Jax out on his behavior because he and Janet were still riding for Jax last year. All the all of this stuff coming out about Jax, we didn't know because nobody was calling him out on it. Certainly not on the show.

Wendy (05:46.135)
Right. I mean

Right.

Wendy (06:07.234)
No.

Kelli (06:08.315)
So it's kind of hypocritical.

Wendy (06:12.502)
No, I agree. It is hypocritical. It is hypocritical. And I think if they know about the problem and if they're dealing with it themselves with their own relationship and Nia's okay with it and th that's it. Like it doesn't need to be everyone else's business.

Kelli (06:17.008)
Yeah.

Kelli (06:29.264)
Right.

Exactly. Exactly. They're not saying it's not happening. They just they don't want it to be a storyline and they're dealing with it.

Wendy (06:35.693)
Right.

Right? Right. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I don't

Kelli (06:45.969)
So Michelle and Lala go hiking and Michelle starts talking about the three hundred thousand dollar SBA loan that Jesse took during COVID. She did not know about it.

Wendy (06:55.234)
Well, that was a shock. We did not know about this.

Kelli (07:00.399)
We did not know about this and now it's in collection and thirty grand of interest on top of it because they haven't made a payment. So basically he hasn't made a payment, but he told her, like, hey, by the way, I took this loan and you're I mean, listen, I don't know he spent it, but I don't like is her n her name must not be on it, because that would mean that he would have forged her name. So and I don't think he would do that.

Wendy (07:10.764)
He hasn't made a payment.

Wendy (07:17.806)
And I spent it.

Kelli (07:28.377)
I guess just the fact that he took the loan out while they were married makes her responsible for half of it. And she's willing to eat it. She's like, Okay, well, I guess I have to pay a hundred fifty thousand dollars just to divorce this guy. So God bless her.

She says that

Wendy (07:48.334)
was shocked. I was so shocked by this whole thing to be quite honest with you. It makes me like Michelle even more.

Kelli (07:52.76)
I gotta be honest with you, me too. Me too, me too. It it's like, you know, sh somebody else, who else did that? Like just like just walked away. Well, it doesn't matter. But

Wendy (08:05.058)
I mean she said she's been saying for for two years that she doesn't want anything from him. She doesn't she gave him the house, she doesn't want any she keeps saying this and I'm like, What what is the hold up? And now we find out what the real hold up is and she's like, Not only am I giving you the house and I don't want anything from you, I'm going to take on, I'm gonna personally sign for half of your debt that you spent all the money on, God knows what.

Kelli (08:10.511)
She gave him the house.

Kelli (08:15.44)
Yeah.

Wendy (08:35.724)
Because that's how much I want this to be over. You know what?

Kelli (08:39.493)
Yeah, and then she goes on to say that he couldn't pay two hundred dollars for his portion of Isabella's health insurance. And Lala's like, How is he buying these shoes and, you know, all this stuff? And they're basically saying, like, Lacey must be paying for it, which, you know, who knows? I mean, him not giving her two hundred dollars towards his own daughter's health insurance, to me, it sounds like that might have been out of spite more than anything.

Wendy (09:08.947)
be that spiteful if she's if sh I mean come on.

Kelli (09:12.825)
Maybe that was like prior to her saying like fine, I'll pay half the loan. You know? I know. I it I think it's crazy.

Wendy (09:21.174)
It could be

I mean Lacey's gonna be on two tees she's gonna be in the Twat seat, or she may have already been. I saw them advertising it. I'm gonna listen to that 'cause I wanna hear what she has to say.

Kelli (09:34.085)
Who is? Lacey? I will I will listen to that. See the only problem

Wendy (09:35.618)
Lacey is gonna be on Lacey.

It may have happened already, but I didn't I didn't hear it yet.

Kelli (09:44.274)
So we know Teddy's friends with Jesse. Like they're good friends. So I feel listen, I'll try to listen to it, but if they start like Mich I I don't think Lacey's the type, but I feel like Teddy hasn't been fair. I haven't listened to two T's in a long time. But I feel like Teddy's a little unfair towards Michelle because of her relationship with Jesse. So if it starts leaning that way, I'm not gonna listen to it. But I do feel like Lacey tries to take I don't know I don't know Lacey

Other than on the show. I think on the show Lacey tries to take the high road and put out the persona that she's just very easy to get along with. She, you know, she'd love to co parent peacefully, but we don't know Lacey off camera. So we don't know.

Wendy (10:29.974)
No, that's true. And that that is the persona that she puts, that she has not bad mouth, Michelle. And people have said if if Lacey is paying for his lifestyle, this is a very expensive audition for her to be on reality T V.

Kelli (10:33.755)
For sure. Right.

Kelli (10:44.689)
Absolutely.

Wendy (10:46.93)
I listen, we n we know that she wanted to be on Orange County Housewives. She wanted to be on reality TV, but I don't think she's dumb. And I said this I said this last week. I said this. I she's not dumb. And like I said, he needs her more than she needs him. Whether she wants to be on reality TV or not, he still needs her more than she needs him. So she's still in the position of power.

Kelli (10:56.654)
no.

Kelli (11:09.797)
Because here's the thing. One hundred percent. She doesn't need to be on reality TV to pay her bills. He's paying her bills. He needs to be on reality TV to pay his bills. He might be some top real estate agent, but he's not Maurizio. He's not Josh Flagg. You know what I mean? He's and he's in he's you know, he he needs he needs the reality TV show to pay his bills. She doesn't.

Wendy (11:15.84)
Right. No.

Wendy (11:20.887)
Right.

Wendy (11:27.196)
Mm.

No. No.

Kelli (11:39.173)
He definitely needs her more than she needs him. But it's an it is a nice perk for her to date him and be on a reality TV show if this is what you know and sh so far she looks good. So far she looks good.

Wendy (11:49.25)
And listen.

Wendy (11:53.305)
She looks good and like I think I told you, Kristen is very close with her. Britney is close with her. The the cast likes her, except for Michelle and honestly, and Lala. But I think, you know, I don't know. I I like Michelle. I do. And I give her a lot of credit. I give her a lot of credit. Yeah. I give her a lot of credit.

Kelli (11:58.226)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (12:01.766)
Yeah.

Kelli (12:12.677)
Yeah. Well, after this episode, I mean that w that yeah. Yeah. Yeah, me too. So Zach goes over to Kristen's house and they're waiting for Nia to come over. Kristen thinks she says she thinks Danny's extra and if you don't find him funny sober, you're definitely not gonna find him funny drunk. I think that's a very nice way for her to put that some people can't handle Danny when he's drunk.

Wendy (12:41.134)
I mean I do th I do agree with her though. I think he is extra. I mean he he is Danny. Like

Kelli (12:45.913)
You know, here's my thing though. You know, people are saying like, I can't imagine him behind closed doors and and you and I kind of both agree that this behavior typically just comes out when he's under the influence. We saw the next day when they were in San Diego, and I and we talked about this last week, when they were on that safari truck and Nia was freaking out about the baby not being in the shade and he didn't he didn't go back at her. He didn't say like

Wendy (13:07.458)
Right, that was her. He didn't say anything no, and that was her being crazy. Right. Right.

Kelli (13:12.761)
Shut the fuck up. Like, you know, I can I can assure you that if I was acting the way Nia acted to Eric while we were on something like that, that conversation would have gone very differently between Eric and I than it did that Nia and Danny. And I thought he just took it and was like, okay, you know, okay, all right, let's do this. You know, like I yes, yes. And I think that that kind of proves that.

Wendy (13:23.884)
Right. Right.

Wendy (13:31.938)
Yeah, let's figure this out. Like, okay.

Kelli (13:38.211)
It's when he's under the influence of something. And and again, Lala said that. Lala pointed that out. And she was a hundred percent right. Danny just shouldn't drink. He just shouldn't drink.

Wendy (13:50.659)
Danny shouldn't drink. And actually Danny says this when Nia tells him what Kristen and Zach told her is that you know, Danny says maybe I shouldn't drink around this group of friends. I think that's a good plan, Danny.

Kelli (14:02.545)
Well that's the other problem. They're typically all drinking d they're always having parties and drinking together. Like maybe don't do that all the time.

Wendy (14:10.658)
Right.

Right. Because Zach and Kristen and when they're having the whole conversation with Kristen and Jasmine, they're both drunk too. And this is like this is so typical of what happens, right?

Kelli (14:24.256)
my god.

Yes, yes, yes.

Wendy (14:30.764)
So it's like the pot calling the kettle black, and they're still trying to make Danny out as the villain. And it's it's not I get it. I get why Nia feels the way she does. I get why Danny feels the way he does. I do, I get it. I'm not saying that his actions are right. I I don't think that when he's drunk, some of the things he says and he admits it. They're not nice.

Kelli (14:39.365)
Yes.

Kelli (14:46.086)
Yeah.

Kelli (14:56.815)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Zach and Chris. So Nia shows up. Zach and Kristen tell her that they went to lunch with Lala and Britney. And Lala said Danny was drunk and not talking nice to Nia. Now, Nia definitely downplayed it in this moment. she said Danny apologized to Lala. Zach says he thinks that.

Wendy (15:23.725)
He did.

Kelli (15:25.081)
Yeah, he did. And Zach thinks that Lala was coming from a good place. they asked Nia if Danny knows that he acts like a fool when he's drunk, and she says yes. she's kind of not letting Zach speak at this moment. but I really think that Kristen and Zach did a good job of handling this situation because they basically pointed out that.

People are talking about this. Like this is a thing. This is a storyline, basically without saying it. People are talking about this, but we still have your back. I I feel like that was put out there, right? Yeah.

Wendy (16:02.166)
Right.

Wendy (16:07.008)
No, I that's what they did. That's what they did. And that's what they did. And honestly, I feel like as much as I don't like the fact that Lala went to Kristen and said that she's the one who needs to do this, I don't like that she did that. I don't like that she put that on Kristen. I don't. I don't think it's fair. I don't think it's fair because she knows how close Kristen is with Nea.

And Lala and Kristen just found their way back to each other after many years being apart, right?

Kelli (16:38.704)
Right.

Wendy (16:41.292)
I don't like that Lala did that. But that being said, I feel like Lala of all the people there is the one that can call out Danny on his behavior because she is a recovering alcoholic.

Kelli (16:54.617)
For sure.

Wendy (16:56.244)
So it's very catch 22. It's a very tricky situation. I think if she wants to really call Danny out on it, then then she needs to have the conversation with Danny. But when we see coming up in the next episode, I think she tries to have the conversation with Danny. I don't know, but Nia blocks her. And Lala says she was like a linebacker blocking me. Because listen.

Kelli (17:20.261)
Yeah.

Kelli (17:24.56)
Yeah.

Wendy (17:25.782)
It's her man, and she's gonna protect him, and you know what? I would do the same thing. You would do the same thing.

Kelli (17:30.577)
Well not only that, I totally agree with you. It's the second year in a row now that this is a storyline. We did this already, Lala. Like, did you did you think that because you were Lala, you were gonna come in and do what Janet did last year and it was gonna be a different response? Like, listen, we get it. Danny shouldn't drink. Danny's an asshole when he drinks, Danny's not nice to Nia when he drinks. That's between Danny and Nia. He's not physically abusing her.

Wendy (17:56.941)
Right. But people say right. That's why Lala was brought in. That's what people say. That's why Lala was brought in.

Kelli (18:00.07)
He's not like

Kelli (18:06.097)
I think that Lala was brought in because one they got rid of Jax and they needed like a a bigger presence, right? And Lala's got that presence. So and I think that she She does. I don't get it, man. She rides hard for Janet. It irks the shit out of me. I would like Lala so much better if she didn't ride so hard for Janet. Janet is a h Janet is horrible. Even if Janet is a hundred percent right about the whole Danny thing.

Wendy (18:13.955)
she definitely has that presence. And she has Janice back.

Wendy (18:29.198)
Yeah.

Kelli (18:35.055)
She's still horrible. Horrible.

Wendy (18:38.144)
No, I I'm with you on that. Even watching the whole thing with Jason and his knee, and we find out his knee isn't connected to something. He needs his surgery and he's gonna be down for eight to nine months. And he's like in tears about the whole thing. Like how is this how is how is how is Janet gonna handle me and and Cameron? And I have such this great bond with Cameron. The whole time I'm watching this, I'm thinking to myself, Are you kidding me?

Are you kidding me?

Kelli (19:09.347)
It was it was crazy. It that whole s w Absolutely. Where is it? I'm trying to find it. Cause I don't wanna I know we're jumping around, but that and that's fine. But I'm just trying to see what I cause that was like he's I I mean, listen.

Wendy (19:13.196)
W you thought the same thing. I wasn't the only one that thought that. I was like, this is the craziest thing.

Wendy (19:26.562)
I know.

Kelli (19:33.229)
Am I just am I just too used to Jersey guys? Am I just too used to East Coast guys where it's like, listen, I fucked my knee up. I'm gonna have surgery. You are gonna cook, you're gonna clean, you're gonna go to work, you're gonna take care of our kids, and you're gonna help me out because I fucked my knee up. Like am I Are you gonna figure it out?

Wendy (19:40.258)
I think yeah.

Wendy (19:45.133)
Right.

Wendy (19:52.814)
You're gonna figure it out.

Right, right. When I was watching that, right, right.

Kelli (19:57.296)
That's what you do, and that's why I married you. I must be jaded. I'm just, I cannot.

Wendy (20:04.418)
I know. When he was like in tears over the fact that Janet was gonna have to take care of him and their son alone, I was like, and he was gonna lose his bond with his son because his son's looking at him because he can't pick him up. Well, why can't you pick him up? First of all, there's nothing wrong with your arms. You can certainly pick him up. I mean, seriously, you're not a quadriplegic. I mean, are we watching the same thing? Like, what is going on, Jason?

Kelli (20:21.809)
I adore. God forbid. God forbid. That's what I'm saying. I mean, listen, th that he ripped a tendon. His quad and patella are no longer attached. It's wild that he even did that j like and I believe it. I believe it, 'cause, you know, w you once you age out of basketball, you age out of basketball.

Wendy (20:39.031)
Okay.

Wendy (20:47.212)
Yes, I I believe it too. I believe it too. It'd probably hurt like hell. But freaking get over it. Like move on.

Kelli (20:51.547)
But my God, the o the feel the the sense of overwhelmment that he had that his wife had to actually take care of her kid.

Wendy (21:02.584)
By yourself.

Kelli (21:03.225)
And and and help her husband 'cause he's having surgery. I mean

Wendy (21:08.022)
I it j honestly, I was like, This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.

Kelli (21:12.739)
I I tend to agree with you. I one hundred percent agree with you on that. That was crazy.

Wendy (21:15.447)
Okay.

Wendy (21:20.526)
А мін літер і вас літерли і тирс.

Kelli (21:23.929)
In tears In tears.

Wendy (21:28.778)
And honestly, I liked Jason. And I felt like I liked, 'cause that's past tense. I felt like watching Janet interact with him while they were at the doctor's appointment, it's like she was acting. I so felt like this whole thing was so staged and so much acting.

Kelli (21:34.982)
I agree.

Kelli (21:47.377)
I feel like she's acting every s every scene she's acting, every scene she's in.

Wendy (21:51.276)
Yes.

Wendy (21:55.406)
Like, just be real.

Kelli (21:55.452)
Horrible, she's horrible. Yeah, exactly. You're on a reality T V show.

Wendy (22:00.398)
I mean, the guy's a lawyer. He can still work. He's a lawyer. He's a he's a lawyer. He can still right. He could he could still work. He can still bring in income. He can still pick up his son. He cannot run around with his son, but he can still pick up his son.

Kelli (22:04.305)
Absolutely. He can break. He can work remote. We've all we all did it through COVID. My bosses did it.

Kelli (22:18.659)
Right. Right.

Wendy (22:22.606)
I mean give me a break. I I I don't know. It it annoyed me. Honestly it annoyed me. And I shouldn't get that annoyed. He did. Yes, he said that. He did say that. I was like, what? No. No.

Kelli (22:23.281)
Crazy.

Kelli (22:29.339)
Did he say like this is the worst thing that's ever happened to me? I guess that means I've lived a charmed life. He said that, yeah.

Kelli (22:41.979)
So Britney's having a crab boil and God bless her because she's doing it the night before her surgery. I would be laying in bed. I would be watching TV. I would I would not be entertaining anybody. That is faux show. the cake that Zach brings in.

Wendy (22:55.434)
I know, I agree.

Wendy (23:00.066)
That just shows my gosh. Loved it. That shows how Kentucky she is. That shows how Kentucky she is, right? That she is a Kentucky muffin to her core. That's who she is. That crab boil. Yep.

Kelli (23:05.125)
The rest in peace.

Kelli (23:10.085)
You're right.

Yeah.

Yeah, she's gonna host everybody else. Yeah. I'd like to do a seafood boil.

Wendy (23:21.23)
the cake was

Wendy (23:25.442)
We could do one.

Kelli (23:27.451)
Do a seafood boil.

Wendy (23:29.23)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (23:31.25)
All right. Well the gazebo's gonna be done soon, so maybe we do it in there. Yeah, I think we're gonna do that. We're gonna put a put put that get that together. yeah, so for sure. so the rest in peace on the boobies for the cake, amazing. Nia feels awkward going into this, and I don't blame her at all. I did notice that Danny wasn't with her, right?

Wendy (23:34.19)
that'd be great. And you know Bill's in for a seafood boil.

Wendy (23:43.372)
Yeah. No, I give I give Brittany a lot of credit.

Wendy (23:57.945)
I don't either. Well no, because it was only the girls. It's it's it's always only the girls and the gays. It's always the girls it's always the girls and the gays. Yes. It's always the girls and the gays.

Kelli (24:00.39)
You notice Danny? that's right. That's right. That's right. Zach was the only one that yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

Kelli (24:13.041)
okay, z listen, Zach, I I cannot get enough of Zach this season. When he was listening to Janet t talk about how she and Jason cannot have sex and then she is not giving him a blowjob and Zach's like, call me.

Wendy (24:22.869)
my god.

Wendy (24:30.702)
I was dying. I was dying.

Kelli (24:32.143)
wait, I think I'm blocked.

Wendy (24:35.796)
I was dying. I was dying.

Kelli (24:37.463)
Ha ha ha.

He's so funny. He is so funny.

Wendy (24:46.38)
Love that how much Zach is there for Brittany and Kristen. Zach is the best, gay, best friend ever to everyone he's friends with. And the sad part for Janet, because Janet used to be friends with him. She's missing out, not him. She's she's the one who's missing out because Zach is a fabulous friend. He will be there to pick you up when you have surgery.

Kelli (24:50.821)
Yes. Yes.

Kelli (25:06.139)
She is

Kelli (25:12.24)
Yeah.

Wendy (25:14.828)
He will be there to hold your tits. He will be there to pull your hair back when you're vomiting. He will be there to blow your husband when you can't.

Kelli (25:22.277)
He exactly. I mean, what more could you want from a friend?

Wendy (25:25.422)
Or won't.

Kelli (25:31.119)
That is the ultimate sacrifice. Amazing. Ultimate sacrifice.

Wendy (25:31.918)
I mean one hundred percent exactly.

Wendy (25:39.63)
I love Zach. I love Zach.

Kelli (25:42.212)
I mean Nia's the second runner up because she announces that she made a meal chain for Brittany. Which is always a nice thing. Lala Lala's not has not entered her PTO mom stage yet. She'll get there. But once you're in a PTO mom stage, you know all about the meal chains. You know all about the meal chains. She'll get there.

Wendy (25:48.076)
And Lala's like, What is that? It's so nice. Lala had no idea what it was.

Wendy (25:57.475)
No, no.

Kelli (26:06.513)
I love that Brittany looks at this surgery as basically getting rid of anything that Jax can hold over her and her boobs being one of it because, you know, he was hard he was, you know, even even when they were talking about size on VPR and he was like, Well, I'm paying for them. I should have a say.

Wendy (26:20.588)
Yes.

Kelli (26:34.979)
He was so serious in that moment when he said that. It wasn't a joke.

Wendy (26:37.814)
He was

Wendy (26:42.318)
Wasn't a joke.

Kelli (26:43.567)
It wasn't a joke. So I'm I'm really I'm excited for her and Lala gets emotional and says that she's excited for Britney to finally feel the way everyone sees her. Like I you know, that's the thing. Like I don't like how Lala rides for Janet, but she's a good friend. Lala. She is a good friend, which leads me to believe that she knows the reason that they're not

Wendy (27:02.05)
Yeah, she is a good friend, but I thought it was a little slighted.

Wendy (27:09.698)
thought it was a little slighted that she was saying that she needs to have plastic surgery for her to see her the way everyone else sees her.

Kelli (27:17.463)
Yeah, I think that listen, I think that Brittany heard for so long that she looked a certain way by her husband. Yeah. Yeah. So she probably unfortunately does feel like right, she has to do that to yeah.

Wendy (27:26.85)
Because of Jax, you know, Jax was a shit. No, a hundred percent. Jax was definitely shit. He was no confidence booster. Yeah. He was

Wendy (27:39.009)
I want Britney to feel well. I want Britney to feel comfortable in her own skill. I want her skin. I want her to be confident in who she is because honestly, there is nothing about Brittany that is unkind. There's she has no malintent in anything she does. She is one hundred percent, like I said, a Kentucky muffin. She has all good intentions. If something comes out of her that is not correct, it was not intentional.

Kelli (28:01.807)
Yeah.

Wendy (28:07.308)
It's not intentional. That's she doesn't have malice in her heart. And there's honestly, there's not a lot of people like that. There's not a lot of people like Brittany out there. There's not. She's she's I wanna say she's innocent and she's naive and she is.

Kelli (28:17.401)
No, no.

Kelli (28:25.605)
Yeah, I think there's some naive naiv whatever the word is. I think there's some Yeah. but you know, I I have always maintained that she knew who Jax was when she married him, but you know, I I kinda take that back because I didn't even know the half of it, obviously, because why would I? I'm just a viewer. he must have been horrendous to live with. He must have been I mean, listen, I'm

Wendy (28:30.124)
Naivete.

Yeah.

Kelli (28:55.629)
I'm gonna assume that there was some physical abuse there, but the emotional abuse alone would be enough for someone to just I mean, he just talk about breaking somebody.

Wendy (29:02.808)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (29:08.332)
No, I totally agree. I mean the facts the fact that Cruz is doing so well now that he's not in the house. Right. Right.

Kelli (29:08.485)
Like yeah, he was

Kelli (29:15.041)
Speaks volumes. Speaks volumes. Pun intended. Like this boy probably saw so much he was afraid to say or do anything.

Wendy (29:27.16)
Yeah. I'm so happy that she has Zach in her life and Kristen, 'cause we see like they take you know, they take her for surgery, they bring her home from surgery. God, you need friends like that. You need friends like that. You do. You can't do it on your own.

Kelli (29:32.507)
Yeah.

Kelli (29:37.232)
Yeah.

Kelli (29:41.51)
Yeah. So I didn't Yeah, no, I totally agree with you. I didn't understand like Jasmine takes a bottle of wine and it's you it's opus. So it's like I listen, they they could be three, four hundred dollars. Yeah. It's it's an expensive bottle of wine. But Nia started kind of like freaking out about it.

Wendy (29:54.303)
my gosh. Opus one.

Wendy (30:02.463)
I did not know that.

Kelli (30:05.181)
I knew Opus was expensive, but when when Nia started making like such a big deal, I was like, Well, how much is this wine? And I Googled it and there are bottle there are bottles like three, four hundred dollars. I don't know if that one was, but there are some. But I I just felt like it was like and here Britney's like, I don't I don't know, like whatever. Like Brittany didn't even know she had a three hundred dollar bottle of wine there.

Wendy (30:27.01)
I'm not drinking it. Who cares?

Wendy (30:32.35)
No. And Britney did not care. She did not care either way. Right. And then Lala says that's the only thing she got from her separation.

Kelli (30:34.545)
She didn't care. Yeah.

Kelli (30:41.693)
I'm

Wendy (30:43.326)
Okay, well s that's sad on you, Lala, but okay.

Kelli (30:47.907)
Exactly. Zach tells Lala that they talk to Nia and she doesn't like to hear certain things and that Danny apologized to her. And Lala says, This isn't about me. It's about the way Danny speaks to Nia. Well, honestly, Lala, it's not really your business. Like it what you said to Danny was great. What you you used your personal experience and you know you

Wendy (31:09.174)
Right.

Kelli (31:17.697)
As as a person in recovery, you should know that you say what you say, you don't keep harping on it because that person has to get to a place. And I'm not saying Danny needs recovery. I mean, I am saying Danny shouldn't drink, but I'm just saying that you as as a person in recovery, you know that there's only so much you can say. Until that person's ready to do what they need to do, that's it.

Wendy (31:44.022)
And you made your point, and if his wife is okay with it, then that's it. It stops there. Don't make any other. Like just let it go.

Kelli (31:47.503)
Right. Right.

Right. So Nia, so I guess at this point, they're all outside and Nia brings it up. Nia so Lala, Zach, and Kristen went outside and Nia finally follows and Jasmine and Nia brings it up and Lala says, I'm not in your marriage, but I didn't like the way he spoke to you. And he's putting you in a vulnerable position. And Nia says that they're in therapy.

Wendy (32:04.726)
And Kristen, yes.

Kelli (32:22.105)
And we're good. And that's it. And that's all it needed to be. And then Jasmine did something, and Kristen said Jasmine is drunk. And Jasmine did not like that. That Kristen said she was drunk.

Wendy (32:23.948)
Right. That's all it needed to be.

Wendy (32:38.231)
No.

Kelli (32:44.121)
And then

Wendy (32:44.152)
So this is what I got out of that. Jasmine felt a way about what happened last year with Danny, how it didn't get the same attention that until Lala came into the group. Right? Even though I feel like Jasmine, it did get the same attention until Jasmine said enough is enough. He's apologized and I've moved on. Right? Like that's what actually happened. But

Kelli (32:54.341)
Right.

Right.

Kelli (33:06.671)
Right. One hundred percent. Yes, I agree with you.

Wendy (33:13.92)
At this moment she's not feeling that and Kristen is calling her out and saying you're drunk and she was drunk. And Kristen was probably drunk too.

Kelli (33:20.635)
Right. Cause she didn't she didn't really s she was saying it in her confessional. She was saying it under her breath. She was saying it in her confessional, but she wasn't saying it out loud for any of them to hear because I don't think that she you know, listen, I'm I'm buzzing right now 'cause I haven't drank in over a week and I'm having a glass of wine. Like when you're under the influence of alcohol, no matter how much, you sometimes you can't articulate the best. And I don't think Jasmine was articulating it in that moment sitting outside.

But in her confessional, she was. And under her breath, I think she probably thought she was. So she was saying that everyone was validating Lala's triggers this year, but didn't validate hers last year. And I agree with you. I feel like they did. I feel like if it weren't for what Danny did to Jasmine last year, his behavior wouldn't have been that much in question. I think they 100% validated it.

And that's what prompted the whole thing. Like, Danny's inappropriate. Danny's this. Dan you know.

Wendy (34:25.196)
Right. I think so too. Right. Right. I think they did validate it. And Jasmine is the one who shut it down. But Jasmine and and listen, this is Jasmine's j this is Jasmine's right to have this feeling, right? This is this is my thought. And she says it in her confessional. I am a black woman. I am a gay person. I am a woman, right? All those three things.

Kelli (34:34.949)
Right.

Kelli (34:40.773)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (34:51.156)
And she feels, and I get it, she feels marginalized by those three things. And she doesn't feel like it was it was it it was addressed properly. But it was addressed until she shut it down. But I can see where she's seeing that when Lala comes in, who is a straight white woman with a loud mouth, which is who Lala is, it comes across a different way. That being said, I was very glad to see her.

Kelli (34:55.974)
Yes.

Kelli (35:05.584)
Right.

Wendy (35:20.44)
Her and Kristen have the sit down after this happened when they were all sober, and her explain to Kristen how she felt about the situation. And for Kristen to apologize and say, Listen, I hear you. I don't want you to feel that way. Right? That's what's what Right.

Kelli (35:24.515)
Yes.

Kelli (35:30.257)
Right.

Kelli (35:37.573)
Right. She did. She was totally receptive. She thanked her for telling her. Like that conversation couldn't have gone better, I thought.

Wendy (35:46.721)
That's what needs to happen though. That's what adults do, right? Right, right. And not when you're drunk, right? 'Cause Kristen was trying to tell her and right, when you're drunk you can't have these conversations. When there's alcohol involved, you can't have these conversations. You have to wait.

Kelli (35:48.933)
Yes, conflict resolution.

Kelli (35:55.087)
No, see that's the Yeah.

Kelli (36:00.822)
No. I mean, think about your own relationship. Like my husband hasn't drank in over five years. almost, excuse me, almost five years. So if I have had a couple of glasses of wine and we try to have a conversation and it goes left because of me, I it's because of me. I'm not I'm not comprehending, I'm not articulating, I'm not, you know.

That's what happens. Alcohol's really not great, people. We do whine whenever, but you everything in moderation, please, everything in moderation.

Wendy (36:28.608)
No, it's not. I mean, although we we do. Right. I mean, sometimes it Yes. Yes. I mean, sometimes it does go left. And I understand where Janet was coming from. I Jasmine was coming from. And no, I honestly I don't. And I don't. I don't ever understand where Janet's coming from because I think she is the most performative person on this cast.

Kelli (36:45.785)
Right. We never understand where Janet's coming from.

Kelli (36:51.089)
I don't either.

Wendy (36:57.086)
I think that she is out for herself and there is not I feel like there's no redeeming qualities and I don't I'm that person who wants to believe there's good in all. Right? I'm always that person. I cannot find the good in Janet. I can't. I seriously can't.

Kelli (37:07.811)
I know you are. I know you are.

People she finds she could find the good in Teresa and she can't find the good in Janet. That should speak volumes to everyone here.

Wendy (37:16.97)
I can, I can Yes, I can. I I know, I know, it's so true. It's so true. I can't find any good in Janet. I can't.

Kelli (37:21.593)
I mean enough said.

Kelli (37:28.635)
There's not. She's very performative. She's got her husband crying because she has to take care of him.

Could you imagine living with that?

Wendy (37:36.674)
Yeah. No. No. No, it can't be good.

Kelli (37:40.004)
It can't be good. So Brittany's surgery, you know, I went I know she got out of surgery at 150. I know she had to be there super early. I'm thinking it was like a five hour surgery, which isn't I was gonna say which isn't that bad. the doctor comes out and says everything went well. Kristen and Zach are there. them taking s selfies with her.

Wendy (37:55.234)
It was probably long. They did I think they did a lot.

Wendy (38:08.704)
I'm sorry, but I loved it. Brittany will love it too when she sees it. Like sh Right.

Kelli (38:12.721)
Totally love it too when she sees it.

So, so funny. They're driving her home.

Wendy (38:19.562)
And even even Britney's saying, Don't make me laugh, don't make me laugh. And Zach's trying not to make her laugh, but everything he says is gonna make her laugh because that's just who Zack is.

Kelli (38:27.639)
Is he's hysterical. He's hysterical. I mean, they drive her home. I can't even believe she's up walking already. I mean, she literally just had a tummy tuck and liposuction. Never mind the bubs. But a tummy tuck alone, like I th I thought honestly, I thought when you had a tummy tuck, you were like bent over for like two weeks.

Wendy (38:30.733)
Yeah.

Wendy (38:49.11)
No, they want you up and they want you up and moving right away. They want all they want everything circulating. They want all your blood circulating. They want you up and moving A S A P. That's what they want. But those stairs, that was like the biggest flight of stairs I've ever seen in my life. Like I I have a two story house and I have an upstairs. But when I saw that flight of stairs, I said to myself, that is the biggest flight of stairs I've ever seen in my life.

Kelli (38:51.617)
I know, I know they do.

Right.

Kelli (38:59.056)
Right.

Kelli (39:11.921)
It's a big flight of stairs and I felt badly. Kristen's like, I didn't really I didn't really think about this.

Wendy (39:18.712)
Right, the jackrabbit thing I was dying.

Kelli (39:21.285)
My god.

Like too bad they didn't have you know, it's funny because I thought I was thinking about this. I thought at one of Britney's parties they did have a bedroom on the first floor because I thought Nia went to breastfeed in that bedroom. But maybe I'm thinking of somebody I must be thinking of somebody else's house. Because I would assume if she had a whole bedroom set up on the first floor, she would have stayed on the first floor. Yeah. I mean, at least for the night. And then if she had to get upstairs to shower, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wendy (39:45.666)
That would have been ideal. Right, right. If there was a bathroom. If there was a b yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (39:54.162)
I'm incredibly jealous about her smaller boobs though. I I I can't say that enough. she's like I could I can see over my boobs. I hear you, girl. I hear you. Schwartzy goes to visit Jason and Jasmine shows up. Jasmine brings up Jason having her back last year. Yes, of course Schwartzie wrote a plant.

Wendy (40:01.676)
I mean she was so happy to be able to s to lay down and see over her breasts.

Wendy (40:16.088)
Course he brings a plant.

Kelli (40:21.039)
So I did think that that was kind of weird. Like now all of a sudden Jasmine is like, I mean, I guess it's nice that she's thanking J Jisa for having her back, but I I I'm so conflicted in this because she's also thanking Janet, but Janet accused Danny of sexually assaulting you and you had to shut that down. So did she have your back or was she trying to put Nia and Danny in a bad light because Jack's

was looking like the villain and Jax didn't want to look like the villain. So Jax wanted Danny to look like the villain and Janet and Jason were doing what they had to do for Jax. That's how I took it.

Wendy (41:02.754)
That's ex that's exactly how it is, I think. I mean, initially I thought, okay, that's good that Jasmine's now realizing that they had her back. But like you said, it wasn't really that. It was about Jack's.

Kelli (41:20.153)
It was totally about Jax. n maybe not necessarily Jason, but definitely Janet. Definitely Janet.

Wendy (41:22.006)
It was about Jacks and how sad is that?

Wendy (41:28.654)
I mean, I think Jason too, because Jason is the one who always called Jax when he was in rehab. Jason was always the one there for Jax. I mean Jason was Jax's boy. And I feel like now Jason, like he doesn't have anybody. Right? I mean, Danny and Jesse

Kelli (41:33.816)
I know.

I know.

Kelli (41:43.844)
No. I remember earlier in the season when Janet was on Watch What Happens Live and I think Andy basically asked, like, are you guys still in contact with Jax? And her response was like, I forget what she said, but it was like, you know, like basically like, Well, you know, we don't you know whatever, like the we don't condone that behavior or really? You did last year.

Wendy (42:08.172)
Yeah, she did last year. I feel like Jason and Janet right now are like on their island because they don't have anybody. They don't have Zach. They don't have Luke. They don't have Jesse. They don't have Danny. They only had Jack's. So now

Kelli (42:14.213)
Yeah. No.

Kelli (42:24.335)
Right. And and Jax doesn't serve them anymore because he's not on the show.

Wendy (42:29.93)
Now that Jax is gone, what are they gonna do?

Kelli (42:32.773)
Right. Right.

Wendy (42:34.304)
And I feel like Jasmine is like I feel like she's I hate to say this because I feel like she's being like the sacrificial lamb and she's like, All right, I'm gonna come over here and I'm gonna be like thank you for having my back because you guys need somebody on your side because nobody else is on your side.

Kelli (42:47.653)
Yes.

Kelli (42:52.559)
Right. Right. Who do they got? They got Schwartzy going over there. I mean, Lala rides for Janet. Michelle rides for Janet. But

Wendy (42:57.846)
Right. I know, but Lala and Michelle are not enough because they're not a couple. They don't have any couples, right?

Kelli (43:03.909)
Right. Right.

Yeah.

Wendy (43:10.006)
I don't know. I don't like it. I honestly I don't

Kelli (43:10.993)
Yeah, I mean w we saw their failed game night.

Wendy (43:14.806)
Yeah. Yeah. It was horrible.

Kelli (43:18.513)
That was terrible.

okay, so Schwartzzi brings in a mariachi band as a surprise. It's so good.

Wendy (43:25.762)
That was freakin' hysterical. That was hysterical.

Kelli (43:29.219)
It's so good. So good. and then we get to a very emotional part with Michelle and Jesse and you know, love or hate This was I don't know. This was a great scene. Michelle says that their first coffee was ten years ago that day. I didn't realize he's ten years older than her.

Did you realize that?

Wendy (43:59.139)
I didn't realize that no, I did not realize that. I did not. He doesn't look it. He certainly doesn't act it.

Kelli (44:02.074)
Yeah.

He doesn't look it at all. He apologizes to her and says that he overreacted in San Diego. he says I haven't signed the papers because there's no papers to sign and she's like, Yeah, there are and she pulls them right out.

Wendy (44:19.512)
This, this right here, this was Chef's kiss. This right here, what Michelle did having those papers to pull them out in front of him on camera. This was Chef's kiss. I give Michelle five stars for this. She just won it for me. Honestly. I I've I've never seen a better divorce proceeding on camera.

Kelli (44:24.464)
Yeah.

Kelli (44:30.913)
On camera, for sure.

Kelli (44:41.073)
For sure.

Kelli (44:46.693)
Yeah.

Wendy (44:47.104)
And this right there. Like that was perfect.

Kelli (44:50.233)
Yeah. And he but he's he's like, Yeah, I'll sign it and I'll sign I'll send you an email.

Wendy (44:56.546)
What was the email about? I didn't understand that. What was that?

Kelli (44:58.353)
Well I think I think basically he was saying like yeah yeah yeah I'll sign them and I'll send you an email like I guess with a signed copy but he didn't sign them right there.

Wendy (45:09.782)
Yeah.

Kelli (45:11.259)
But you know, whatever. Michelle starts to cry and she you know, she says, I just want to be happy again. Listen, I'm sure losing her mom's playing into all of this.

Wendy (45:22.37)
Definitely. Definitely.

Kelli (45:23.629)
And you know, then she was with that guy Aaron and then that didn't work out, which I mean, his dog's name was Kelo. So you're probably better off that that didn't work out.

Wendy (45:32.703)
Right. Right. Enough said. Enough said. Like

Kelli (45:37.39)
I mean, come on. But you know, she says she remembers the good times they had and that this is sad. And then they flash back with them too. I'm like, my God, with the fucking flashbacks tonight. Like, I can't. I she was so young. And listen, for me as a viewer, I appreciate that. I appreciate you showing me those times that they had and her acknowledging that there were good times because when we met them, we didn't know them.

Wendy (45:51.374)
She was so young. They were babies. She was so young.

Wendy (46:04.727)
I do too.

Kelli (46:07.195)
When we met them they were in such a tumultuous place with each other.

Wendy (46:11.181)
Right, right.

Kelli (46:12.987)
So I appreciate seeing them not even if it's just stills, even if it's just photos, I appreciate seeing them when they were not in that tumultuous place.

Wendy (46:24.364)
No, I do too. I mean, I love seeing that they got engaged in Paris in front of the Eiffel Tower. I mean, that's like dreams. Those are goals. Those are engagement goals.

Kelli (46:28.473)
Yeah. Yeah. Mm. For sure.

Kelli (46:39.023)
Yeah, so that's how it ends. That's it.

Good episode though. I was a fan.

Wendy (46:46.816)
It was a good episode. And I think that there's a lot to come. I really think that there's a lot to come that we're gonna see when they start, you know, showing us, you know, still this still this season.

Kelli (46:59.013)
I just listen and people I'm not I'm not defending Dan I'm not saying that Danny's not doing anything wrong. He's obviously doing something wrong. I just don't want this to be the whole fucking show again. I don't want this to be a whole season of this. And look at what are we on? We're on episode nine. And again, this is what we got.

Wendy (47:12.589)
Right.

Wendy (47:22.882)
Yeah.

Wendy (47:26.818)
Yeah, I wanna see more I wanna see more that's going on. I wanna see more depth. I wanna see what's going on with Lala and her family and her and Sosa and her mother and her brother that she lives with, right? Why can't we see that? I mean I think we're gonna see

Kelli (47:31.172)
Yeah.

Right, right.

Kelli (47:39.633)
Right. So cause here's the thing, like everything else, what's the ultimate goal? What are you trying to do? Are you trying to get Danny and Nia off the show? They're kind of fan favorites right now. Like even if people are hating on Danny, they're not hating on Nia. So people don't want them off the show. What's the goal? What what are we doing here? They're not they're not leaving. They're not getting off the show. So you're gonna you're gonna keep pursuing this? You're just making yourself look bad.

Wendy (48:00.045)
Right.

Wendy (48:10.882)
I think we're gonna see Jasmine's wedding, right? Isn't that happening

Kelli (48:14.799)
I do think we're gonna see Jasmine's wedding. And I I'm excited about that. Part of me wished it was in New Jersey, but I don't think it is.

Wendy (48:17.283)
Right.

Wendy (48:22.553)
it's not? I thought it was gonna be in New Jersey.

Kelli (48:25.029)
That's what I thought too, but it I mean maybe maybe it is. Maybe we maybe what we saw was like a bachelorette or a shower or something. I don't know. It looked like it was in a nicer I mean, listen, I love New Jersey, but it looked like it was in a nicer season. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (48:33.556)
Okay. I mean I hope it's in New Jersey because

Wendy (48:40.942)
Place in New Jersey.

Wendy (48:46.734)
Alright, we'll have to wait and see what happens.

Kelli (48:48.985)
Yeah, we will. We will. All right, I think that's it. We're approaching the hour.

Wendy (48:53.934)
All right. Thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye.

Kelli (49:00.806)
Bye.