The Valley Reunion Part 1- Boys' Chat & Broken Vows

Wendy (00:01.444)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. We are talking about the Valley reunion part one. So we start out with the cast arriving and they're all getting ready. Andy asks Brittany if this is the longest time she's spent with Jax in the past year, meaning the reunion day. And she says yes. So I guess, you know, that's good. I mean, that's good for her anyway.

We Wine Whenever (00:03.958)
I'm Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:29.304)
Definitely good for her.

Wendy (00:31.306)
Andy asked Jax how it feels not to be wearing Jax merchandise and actually wearing real clothes. Did you see all the hubbub online about the shoes Jax was wearing? About them having lifts? Yes, and it's funny.

We Wine Whenever (00:35.266)
Hehehehehe

We Wine Whenever (00:42.028)
Yes. The lifts. It just reminded me of that Seinfeld episode.

Wendy (00:48.12)
It's so funny he's wearing lifts. He's sitting down the entire time.

We Wine Whenever (00:51.924)
He claims he's six foot, but he's not.

Wendy (00:55.47)
Right. And they're two and a half inch lifts.

We Wine Whenever (00:57.558)
Right, so he's probably 5'10".

Wendy (01:01.176)
Yeah. I know. I know. Who cares? But again, you're sitting down on a couch. You're sitting down on a couch.

We Wine Whenever (01:01.656)
Which, who cares?

We Wine Whenever (01:09.644)
Yeah, and even when they take the pictures, like, the pictures are individual. So it's not like you're, like, standing next to Jason, who is tall. Nobody's really tall on that cast.

Wendy (01:19.884)
It's funny, the picture behind me is the cast photo and Zach said how that cast photo is so screwed up because Zach is the tallest and he's the tallest by far.

And if you look in the cast photo behind me, Jax appears to be taller. Look.

We Wine Whenever (01:38.198)
No way.

Wendy (01:42.424)
Yeah. Zach talked about this well before the whole thing about the lifts came out. Like this came out a long time ago.

We Wine Whenever (01:48.514)
That is hysterical. Yes, I forget that Zack is so tall. I always think of Jason as the tallest. Interesting, and how tall is he, I wonder, did he say? He's gotta be over six foot.

Wendy (01:51.042)
Yep. Isn't that funny?

Wendy (01:55.652)
Yeah, Zach is tall. Zach is actually the tallest.

I want to say he's like, yeah, I want to say he's like maybe 6'2". He's tall. Yeah. And he pointed... No, I mean, considering Jax, like I said, is wearing lifts sitting down at the reunion, whatever.

We Wine Whenever (02:09.592)
It is tall. Not by NBA standards, but that's tall.

We Wine Whenever (02:21.6)
I don't know, I just think, no, no, he can't win. But it's his own demise, he probably made that demand, make me look bigger in the cast photo, he probably did that.

Wendy (02:24.098)
He can't win. Jax can't win. Seriously, he can't win.

Wendy (02:35.44)
Mm-hmm. He probably did. He probably did.

We Wine Whenever (02:38.946)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (02:41.006)
So we find out at the reunion that Michelle just moved in with her boyfriend Aaron and it's going amazing. I thought they were living together already. I mean, just to find out that they just moved in at reunion time is crazy to me.

We Wine Whenever (02:54.55)
Yeah, think, mean, well, that was recorded a while ago because they wanted to do it before Kristin and Nia had the babies, but, now they broke up, which sucks. Cause then she's got to move Isabella's stuff out of the house. Like, I don't know. That's a lot.

Wendy (03:03.16)
Right. I know.

Wendy (03:09.583)
Yeah.

Jesse announced that he has switched from his Teddy Whities to Calvin Klein's high cut brief. Thank God for that. Kristin is 33 weeks and three days pregnant and Nia is actually 34 weeks pregnant. So they are so close together. It's not even funny. Like I know that they didn't exactly plan it, but if they tried to plan it like that, it would have never even worked, right? That they're so close.

We Wine Whenever (03:17.71)
Yeah. Yeah. Good move.

We Wine Whenever (03:37.408)
Right, right, yeah.

Wendy (03:39.856)
So, Ne and Danny obviously went for baby number four. Zach is talking about how Benji never noticed the scrotox, which why would he? mean, Jasmine announced that she's engaged and the big date is next summer. So, I guess we're talking about 26, because we're in summer 25 now.

We Wine Whenever (03:50.19)
Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (04:02.39)
Yeah, she said next summer, yeah, so it must be. I mean, listen, she's probably hoping that they'll film it.

Wendy (04:10.082)
Yeah, she probably is. Andy asked Janet, like, you know, what she did, she looked so good. You know, she said she lost the baby weight through Adderall and Pilates. That was a little bit odd.

We Wine Whenever (04:22.446)
Well, it's very odd that you're accusing people of being substance abusers and you're admitting that you take Adderall to lose weight.

Wendy (04:30.564)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (04:32.11)
It's very odd.

Wendy (04:33.26)
Yep, Jason is wearing his wedding ring.

We Wine Whenever (04:38.135)
Of

Wendy (04:38.832)
Then Andy says, Kristen, you call yourself an empath. You may have been the voice of reason this season. And it's true, the fact that we finally see Kristen as the voice of reason on a show, because we've seen Kristen for many years on Bravo. the Kristen we've seen this year actually was the voice of reason. And she was one of the more mature ones in the entire cast.

We Wine Whenever (04:52.418)
wild.

Different roles.

We Wine Whenever (05:04.408)
Definitely, definitely.

Wendy (05:08.324)
But Kristen does say that she does have a moment on the season that she's not proud of and she wants to start out with an apology. And she apologizes straight out to Janet. She said there was a lot of crap flying out of her mouth. You know, I said I was gonna kick your ass. I'm gonna knock you out. She's like, I called you a whore. Like none of those things are true. Like I'm not proud of that moment. And I was very proud of her for acknowledging it straight out.

We Wine Whenever (05:35.938)
Definitely.

Wendy (05:36.6)
And Janet looked completely surprised and she accepted the apology and she said she appreciates it. Andy asked Brittany what the status of her divorce is and she lets him know that he called her the other day and said that he didn't know if he was gonna get kicked off the show so he's kind of trying to postpone it to see if he's gonna need alimony. Well, we now know how that turns out. Mm-hmm. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (05:38.862)
She sure did.

We Wine Whenever (06:01.24)
So now we know he got fired.

and he didn't step away for his own mental health.

Wendy (06:08.12)
Yep. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (06:09.73)
They must have given him an ultimatum. Like either you do this or you're off the show and he didn't do whatever they said.

Wendy (06:19.116)
I don't think that's the case. think that that's what got him to rehab was that ultimatum, right? And I think that once it came out that there was ring camera footage and exactly what happened, they couldn't keep him on the show. They just couldn't.

We Wine Whenever (06:24.61)
The Ultimatum.

We Wine Whenever (06:37.012)
I agree with you because I think that Bravo is under a lot of heat lately for certain things, whether these lawsuits go anywhere or not, because clearly they got the big time lawyers. But I think that they felt like shit. Like if these ring camera videos get out and we didn't fire him, we're gonna be under more fire.

Wendy (07:00.623)
Mm-hmm. The interesting thing is, and I don't know if you notice this, but at the end of the episode, they put up, you have substance abuse problems, you know, contact this, but there was nothing on there about domestic violence.

We Wine Whenever (07:08.621)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (07:12.866)
That is interesting.

Wendy (07:14.412)
Yeah, I mean, I will say bravo. That is a big F up.

We Wine Whenever (07:18.666)
I agree with you. That is interesting and it's not good. Not interesting in a good way.

Wendy (07:22.902)
No, no, you can't acknowledge one and not acknowledge the other. You can't. Yeah, and he threw a table at her and broke and threw things at her. I mean, it was more than one instance, you know?

We Wine Whenever (07:27.47)
He pushed her into a rose bush, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (07:32.226)
Right, right, right, right.

We Wine Whenever (07:36.366)
for sure. Yep.

Wendy (07:40.908)
Andy, Jesse, Michelle would ask them what their goals are for the night. And Jesse said there's a constant battle of who's gonna win. And Michelle says she's never trying to win. I kind of believe Michelle, I don't really think she is trying to win. I think she's just trying to get through the day with Jesse. I think Jesse is a lot, I think he's a lot to deal with.

We Wine Whenever (08:00.046)
I agree with that. By the way, did you hear Brittany say, I'm already shaking and Jack said, you should be. Oh, you didn't hear that. I watched it on Peacock, but right after she said, cause she started sticking up for herself and she was like, I'm already shaking and Chris and Jax goes, you should be. And Kristen goes, no, no, no, you're doing good. You're doing good. It was, it was fucking weird when he said it though. It was like, it was.

Wendy (08:07.171)
no, I didn't. No, that was in the very beginning? Mm-hmm. so...

Wendy (08:25.867)
That's yeah.

We Wine Whenever (08:29.482)
It was like under his threatening. was under his, his tongue. Like it was like, you should be like under his breath. Excuse me. Like it was threatening 100%.

Wendy (08:30.254)
It was threatening! Yeah, that's threatening!

Wendy (08:38.756)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (08:43.566)
Yeah, that's not cool.

We Wine Whenever (08:44.716)
Like he can't even control himself when the camera's on him now.

Wendy (08:48.58)
I mean, you really never could. You really couldn't.

We Wine Whenever (08:50.146)
He never could. It was a good move, Bravo letting him go. I pray for him now because this could be a really bad downward spiral. And you'll notice if he says on the reunion that when he got fired from Vanderpump is when he got really bad. So it was almost like him putting them on notice. Like he fired me once before and things got real bad.

Wendy (09:10.735)
That's right.

Yes. Yes.

Yeah, he does say that. So then Andy asked Kristen what it's like being pregnant. We find out that she found out two weeks after they wrapped that she was pregnant and she said the pregnancy is going well. Andy asked her what you think, you know, helps you get pregnant and she thinks it's the hormones and the IUI. When they told her about the IUI, they said there was going to be like a 10 % chance that it would help, but it, you know, it up helping. I mean, I can't believe they only gave it a 10 % chance, but...

We Wine Whenever (09:34.155)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (09:44.503)
I know.

Wendy (09:46.832)
And she said when she, just heard her talking on a podcast, on her podcast with Lindsay Hubbard, and she said that she does want another one, but she's only seven weeks postpartum. Her baby at this point is only seven weeks old. She's like, you know, I can't think about it yet, but I definitely do want another one. She's like, you know, I don't know how or, you know, how we'll do it, but I definitely want another one. So listen, I'm happy for her. You know, she knows what she wants and she's going after it.

We Wine Whenever (09:54.328)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (10:00.254)
Ugh.

We Wine Whenever (10:13.058)
Me too.

Yeah.

Wendy (10:16.495)
Janet says that Kristen's gonna be a great mom because she's the best dog mom in the world. Okay, thought that was nice.

We Wine Whenever (10:27.779)
I mean they start out nice and we haven't seen it get not nice yet. So we'll see

Wendy (10:29.604)
They do.

Wendy (10:33.08)
Yeah. So, Nia says that her second pregnancy was a lot. So, this is her fourth child, excuse me, but her third pregnancy because her second pregnancy was twins. And listen, twins are a lot.

We Wine Whenever (10:45.205)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (10:47.406)
So there was a lot of ups and downs with the twins.

She feels like this time she's really enjoying the pregnancy more. Again, it's one compared to two. And she knows that this is her last. So you have a different mindset when it's your last.

We Wine Whenever (11:04.124)
for sure. You're so much different. You're so much more relaxed. You're just, it's like, yeah, I've been through this. This could happen. We'll get through it. This could happen. We'll get through it.

Wendy (11:05.089)
Yeah. So.

Wendy (11:10.53)
Yeah, yes, exactly.

Wendy (11:18.018)
Exactly. you've, listen, and again, she's had a single and she's had twins. So this last fourth child, third pregnancy, this is a walk in the park to her compared to what she's been through, right? Danny puts it out there if anyone wants to get a vasectomy with him and Jack says that he does. And, you know, we find out that Jack doesn't use condoms.

We Wine Whenever (11:23.906)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (11:28.652)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (11:37.379)
my god.

We Wine Whenever (11:41.546)
my God, girls, who is having sex with Jax Taylor without using a con? First of all, I don't know how he doesn't repulse you to the point where you'd want to vomit if he even approached you. But okay, so you get past that.

Wendy (11:45.219)
Yeah.

Wendy (11:52.91)
Yeah.

Wendy (11:59.416)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (12:02.85)
and then you're gonna have sex with him. I would make him wear 15 condoms and I would still feel icky. Who is having sex with Jack Taylor without using a condom for crying out loud? Exactly.

Wendy (12:08.932)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Wendy (12:15.856)
Idiots, a bunch of freaking idiots. Bunch of idiots. Brittany says, I thought it was funny. She said she wouldn't touch that dirty dick. She didn't say a 10 foot pole. She said a 10 inch pole, which I thought was hysterical. 10 inch, I was like, she didn't even say 10 foot. She said 10 inch. Exactly. Jax tells Janet that she looks amazing. I don't know if you noticed this. like on like,

We Wine Whenever (12:29.451)
she did say a 10-inch pole!

We Wine Whenever (12:36.811)
Even worse.

Wendy (12:45.24)
in between the breaks, like Jackson Janet were having these like little side conversations. Did you notice that? Because that's, okay, I did not, I did not, but on the regular show they had it. So this was like during like the little break and he's like, yeah, she's like, you know, I lost 70 pounds if you count the baby weight. And he's like, yeah, I lost 30, I put on 35. I was like, whoa, well, that's not good. Then they come back from the break and then Kristen says that she doesn't know what she would have done without Nia, that she's been a huge help.

We Wine Whenever (12:50.638)
Yes, I watched it on peacock. Did you watch it on peacock?

We Wine Whenever (13:06.382)
Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (13:13.754)
for her during the pregnancy with the fertility journey and what to look for and the whole planning of the pregnancy and the whole postpartum, like what to do. And she's lucky that she has someone who's right there who's been through it and going through this journey with her and she's friends with her. They really legit are friends. Yeah. Andy asks Nia if she worried about postpartum again being a problem since it was.

We Wine Whenever (13:24.312)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (13:32.044)
and they bonded.

Wendy (13:39.492)
you know, with her last one. And she said that she's not really worried about it this time. She feels like once she's prepared for it, she's got a great support system and she knows what to do, you know, but she feels like she's going to be okay. And I think that's perfect, you know.

We Wine Whenever (13:52.812)
Yeah, and you know, Andy says that Nia puts a lot of pressure on herself with her body image, and she says, listen, I live in LA, and she's been in the beauty industry forever. Like, it does make sense. It's not right, but it's totally understandable why she puts these pressures on herself.

Wendy (14:02.213)
Mm-hmm.

Right.

Wendy (14:12.988)
It is completely understandable. he asks her about if she's going to do a mommy makeover. And she's like, yeah, she can't wait. And Brittany's like, I want to do one too. Sign me up. want to do one too. And listen, I think these are legit things. When you have four children, three pregnancies, in a short amount of time, that is a lot for your body. And it doesn't matter how healthy you are, how in shape you are, how much you work out.

We Wine Whenever (14:14.509)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (14:35.735)
Yeah.

Wendy (14:41.912)
Some things just won't go back. So if you gotta do what you gotta do, do it.

We Wine Whenever (14:44.972)
And listen, and aging is a thing either, whether you have kids or not, you just want to be comfortable in your own damn skin. And if you're not, and you have the means to do something about it, do it.

Wendy (14:52.396)
Right. Yeah.

Wendy (14:56.964)
Yep, I agree. Andy asked Michelle if seeing Kristin and Nia being pregnant, if that gives her baby fever. She says, well, sometimes yes, but then sometimes no, because she remembers not being able to sleep and the back pain. And now we know she's not with Erin, so good thing. Right, good thing.

We Wine Whenever (15:14.84)
She said he wanted multiple kids, but she said that's not happening. And she said the goal is to get engaged, so. I don't know, listen, I don't know what the deal was with this guy and why they broke up, but they didn't, I didn't get a warm and fuzzy feeling from them, did you?

Wendy (15:18.147)
Yeah.

Wendy (15:31.822)
I mean, I think anyone in his, it's yeah, anyone in his position, it's really hard to say. You know, he came in, we saw such a small snippet of their relationship and of him. And with Jesse being there and being such a big personality, it was hard for us to really even get to know him. This is how I felt.

We Wine Whenever (15:33.336)
I guess it's hard to s-

We Wine Whenever (15:37.923)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (15:50.946)
Yeah, yeah, because what did Michelle say? She said no matter what I do, people love Jessie. And she's not wrong. Like, I can't believe the hate she gets on social media.

Wendy (15:59.342)
Yeah, it's, She's not.

People really like Jesse. He is a very likable guy, even though he's not

We Wine Whenever (16:08.876)
and people were coming at this poor guy Aaron talking about his eyes, you know, they were. So maybe he was like, I can't do it, which is a shame for her if that's why they broke up.

Wendy (16:12.932)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (16:20.994)
Yeah, that is a shame for her, but you know what? If that's why they broke up, he wasn't the right guy for her. Right? So Andy asked Michelle, like, what was the tipping point that made her finally decide to leave? And she's like, well, it wasn't just one thing. You know, it was a bunch of stuff. He was constantly diminishing her, not making her feel, you know, making her feel less than. And then one day, I guess on her anniversary, she's like, I can't continue to live the rest of my life like this. And good for her.

We Wine Whenever (16:25.848)
For sure, for sure, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (16:46.284)
No, absolutely.

Wendy (16:48.218)
good for her for making that decision and saying, I'm not doing this anymore. Then Jesse says, Michelle weaponizes his daughter. Michelle's like, no, I don't. And Jesse's like, no, you do. And I do too. The fact that he admits to weaponizing his daughter, I don't think that she does. Because the example that he brings up,

We Wine Whenever (17:07.4)
was not weaponizing, any mother would have said the same thing to him. I believe.

Wendy (17:10.934)
Absolutely, absolutely not weaponizing. And like I said, the fact that he admits to doing it is crazy because your daughter's gonna see this. you're doing, listen, we've see Isabella, she's not, she's no dummy. She's a smart little girl. She's a.

We Wine Whenever (17:19.65)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (17:27.64)
Holy cow, she's gonna see this and she's gonna understand exactly what's going on.

Wendy (17:32.74)
Yes, she is. She is.

We Wine Whenever (17:34.793)
Absolutely.

Wendy (17:37.296)
He says, what about what you said to my mother? And she's like, listen, I said this to your mother that Isabel wasn't gonna be able to see her. If she can't see my mother before she dies, she's never gonna go visit your mother in Boston. And he's like, yeah, you said ever again. And she's like, yeah, ever again. And everyone's like, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (17:54.688)
Everyone's like, okay. Like, nobody saw the harm in it.

Wendy (17:57.145)
Yeah.

Right.

Then Andy asked what the status of the divorce is and Michelle's like, well, they have a custody agreement in place. She has a lawyer, he does not. She's spending a lot of money on the lawyer because he's being an asshole and asking for all this stuff that requires the lawyer to respond to, which costs her more money. So, right, he says he just got the discovery, right? So, Michelle thinks that, you know,

We Wine Whenever (18:20.238)
can't believe he's representing himself.

Wendy (18:29.006)
that Jesse says he knows the law and he's like, well, yeah, well, I watched Suits three times, which I did kind of think was funny, but no, you don't know the law because you watched Suits three times.

We Wine Whenever (18:38.382)
Now, I don't know if this came up on what you watched. This came up on Peacock. Brittany tells Andy, ask about the wedding. Did you see this? Brittany's like, ask about the wedding, like out of the side of her mouth. Jesse wants Michelle to pay him back for half of the wedding. Their wedding cost $150,000. There were only 55 people in attendance.

Wendy (18:43.566)
Okay.

Wendy (18:49.751)
No, what about the wedding?

Wendy (19:09.367)
Hmm.

We Wine Whenever (19:10.304)
and he wants her to pay back half of that because he paid more for the wedding.

Wendy (19:15.812)
Yeah, yeah, Michelle did say that, you know, he didn't like me spending money during the marriage, so he wants me to pay back for all the money that was spent during the marriage.

We Wine Whenever (19:16.258)
That's part of the divorce negotiations.

We Wine Whenever (19:28.524)
That's outrageous. What a dick.

Wendy (19:31.44)
That's insane. Yeah. And Jesse's, yeah, that's crazy. Jesse's like, well, this has become like a tit for tat. And Andy says, yeah, but why don't you just call it even and move forward? Like you don't have any assets. And like, that's what Michelle's trying to say. And Jesse's like, no, I'm not gonna be able to do that. I mean, you were married. What was spent was spent. Like, are you out of your damn mind?

We Wine Whenever (19:35.66)
I mean, yeah, what a dick.

We Wine Whenever (19:43.809)
Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (19:53.388)
Yeah. Exactly.

And you worked together, you were in a partnership in a real estate company, like...

Everything was together. Everything was mixed.

Wendy (20:11.46)
Yeah, then Jesse said, what did he say? He said,

He reached out to his attorney and then Jan is like, wait, aren't you representing yourself? He's like, well, yeah. And Andy's like, so you reached out to yourself? He's like, well, no, like I have a bunch of attorneys that I consult. And Jason's like, well, I'm not one of them. I was like, come on, seriously?

We Wine Whenever (20:36.436)
Yeah, yeah, he has a team of consultants he works on, but Jason's not on the team. John, it's like, Jason, do you think Jesse could pass the bar?

Wendy (20:40.022)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:48.824)
Shut up, Janet. All right.

Wendy (20:48.912)
I'm going to say no. No, he can't. Then Andy asks how things are going with the girlfriend in Orange County. He also threw a dig. Do you watch Baywatch? I thought that was great. I honestly did. I know. I left. He asked Michelle if she knows her. She's like, I don't have any sort of relationship with her, nor do I want to. And that's when we find out a little bit more about what happened with that whole situation. So I didn't realize that she reached out to Michelle.

We Wine Whenever (20:55.564)
He said, do you watch May Watch together?

So funny.

We Wine Whenever (21:14.19)
Yeah.

Wendy (21:19.424)
after they'd only been dating about a month and very early and wanted to know, you know, like what kind of boundaries would be set when Michelle and Jesse had already said that nobody was to meet Isabella yet. And like this shouldn't have been happening, but she had already been sleeping over and doing Isabella's hair. So of course that's not going to go well. How is that going to go well? How, seriously, how is that going to go well?

We Wine Whenever (21:22.158)
That's early.

We Wine Whenever (21:43.587)
Right.

Wendy (21:49.784)
And then Jesse's big thing is, well, you, you know, we have to really do a sit down before you introduce Isabella to Aaron because he's a man and that's different. Yeah. And that's different than, than what you did when you had already come, you know, had a conversation that you were going to introduce her to anybody. Like that's just crazy.

We Wine Whenever (21:59.8)
Cause he's a man.

We Wine Whenever (22:08.706)
Right. And she said, there's different rules for me than him. And she's right. He's making it so there's different rules, which is not okay. Not okay.

Wendy (22:12.387)
Yeah.

Wendy (22:16.59)
Not okay. Not okay.

And then he says to Janet, mentioned that she tried to silence the cast. Janet said, well, that's when it turned it for me. I get, Jesse said, well, all she did was cease and desist, she said that her name wasn't allowed to be mentioned. And who was mentioning her name at that point? Right.

We Wine Whenever (22:37.9)
Nobody mentioned her name. I don't know if this played on what you watched, this was on Peacock. Brittany said they were at Melissa's birthday party at TomTom. And she said, Jessie's, she's like, I'm sorry to say this, but I don't think your girlfriend likes you very much to Jessie. She said she was talking terribly about him.

Wendy (23:00.249)
Melissa said that.

We Wine Whenever (23:00.364)
He's like, I don't believe that. Brittany said it. They were at Melissa Jasmine's fiance's birthday party at TomTom. And Brittany was talking to Jessie's girlfriend. And she said, based on the conversation she had with her, she's like, I don't think she likes him very much. She did not have nice things to say. Why would you be dating somebody and then trash talking him?

Wendy (23:03.216)
OK.

Wendy (23:15.088)
that's interesting.

Wendy (23:21.102)
with his castmates. And then the whole big thing about like Sheena said that she was telling people that she was dating other people, that she wasn't even dating Jesse. Like, I don't know if that's true or it's not true, but...

We Wine Whenever (23:22.198)
Yeah!

We Wine Whenever (23:31.19)
Mm-hmm. Right.

We Wine Whenever (23:36.588)
just don't know why Brittany, Sheena, I don't believe a word that comes out of her mouth. You know how I feel about her. But why would Brittany lie about that?

Wendy (23:40.73)
Yeah.

Wendy (23:45.89)
No, she would have no reason to lie about that.

We Wine Whenever (23:47.646)
No, but Jesse was like, I don't believe that.

Wendy (23:50.414)
Right, and then Jessie goes on to say, you know, she sent the season to sis, like, she doesn't want to be on the show. She's not getting a check for being on the show, unlike Erin. And Michelle's like, Erin's not getting paid. Erin wasn't getting paid to be on the show. And Jessie's like, well, he certainly showed up quite a bit. Well, he showed up to support her. It's not because he was looking to get paid.

We Wine Whenever (24:09.45)
Right. Right. And Brittany said, if you're dating somebody, that's part of your reality. You want them on. They also said, I don't know who said it. All I have is Sheena called Jessie's girlfriend and said, nobody will like you as long as you're dating Jessie. I don't know who said that.

Wendy (24:24.986)
Jessie said that. Jessie said it. Jessie said it. Yeah, because I have that too.

We Wine Whenever (24:31.384)
Why would she even do that?

Wendy (24:33.284)
because she's sticking her nose in where it doesn't belong. Because she's also the one that said that the girlfriend was saying that she was dating other people. Right? So, I mean, she is the common denominator here with some of these rumors.

We Wine Whenever (24:35.714)
Right, because she's thirsty.

We Wine Whenever (24:49.378)
Yeah, get Sheena and Janen off this show. I just wanna see Sheena deal with not being on a show.

Wendy (24:57.199)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (24:57.73)
I mean, she's got this stupid book out now where she's.

commenting on sexual encounters with famous people, disgusting. So disgusting. If you wanna say that you hooked up with somebody, that's your, great. But first of all, you have a daughter who's gonna read this. Name dropping to me is so unclassy, but clearly Sheena's not the poster child for class.

Wendy (25:09.241)
Yeah.

Wendy (25:14.574)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (25:30.52)
But saying that Adrian Grenier was not good in bed, well, that could be a reflection on you, Sheena. So I wouldn't really be throwing that out there.

Wendy (25:38.49)
Yep.

Yeah, I did not read her book, obviously. But when you told me that, that she was like bad mouthing people sexually, I'm like, well, that's just crazy. It's one thing to name drop. mean, not that I'm 100 % on board with that, but if that's her memoir and that's her story.

We Wine Whenever (25:45.795)
Never.

We Wine Whenever (25:51.832)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (25:58.254)
That's how she's gonna get people to buy the book. And I don't know if she said anything negative about anybody else, but I do know she said that about him. And I think it's disgusting.

Wendy (26:01.507)
Right, but then to

Wendy (26:06.064)
Yeah, that's horrible. I do too. I completely agree. Andy asked Jax how he's gonna deal with it once Brittany starts dating a man and brings him around cruise and Jax is like, I'm not gonna be able to handle it. I'm not gonna be able to deal with it. Andy asks Jax, you know, if he's still seeing a therapist, he's like, yeah, I go every Monday. You know, I've been to four therapists and this one's finally working. And then they do all the flashback scenes of all of the therapists we see him sitting in.

2012, 2015, 2017, 2018. Yeah, obviously it didn't work, any of it, Jax. And I seriously doubt this one, your Monday therapist, I don't think that's working either.

We Wine Whenever (26:47.266)
I really wonder if this is why he's not like close with his mom and this is not this is why his mom didn't call him when his dad passed like maybe they have a very tumultuous relationship because of his anger issues and substance abuse issues.

Wendy (27:01.23)
I mean, there's definitely some, yeah, yeah. I mean, there's definitely, he's definitely got trauma in his life, right? He definitely has unresolved trauma. He definitely has an addiction problem. I mean, I think the anger is because of the addiction. I don't think it's the opposite way, which is what he thinks, you know, which is crazy.

We Wine Whenever (27:08.204)
Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (27:19.052)
Right, right. Yeah, no, yeah, one, yeah, the substance abuse normally flames the anger issue, yeah. Especially cocaine.

Wendy (27:26.742)
Right. He said that, yeah, he said that rehab was eye opening for him. Although now, right now he's calling it rehab, but later on I'm sure he'll call it a mental health facility. He wished he had done it a long time ago and Andy asked Brittany if she sees an improvement with him in therapy and she's like, no, she doesn't, hasn't changed anything for her. He's the exact same.

We Wine Whenever (27:38.229)
Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (27:49.102)
because he's still probably talking to her and treating her the same way he always has. Right.

Wendy (27:52.974)
Right, because he doesn't see a problem with it. He doesn't think he's done anything wrong. Kristen and Jesse, he talks about their budding friendship. Jesse said that, know, Kristen sent him a heartfelt text and then he reached out to her and she kind of just went just to see what it was all about. Like she really didn't expect, you know, them to get close. I think it really, I mean, I think it was more so Kristen was not really liking Michelle.

And if she could be Team Jessie, I think she was going to jump on that bandwagon.

We Wine Whenever (28:28.822)
Yeah, and I think that, I think Janet was a problem last year, the first season, and Michelle was team Janet. And, you know, if she really was, if she really had a boyfriend for the past year and wasn't showing it, Kristen was like, fuck it. You wanna be team Janet, here we go. Yeah. Same thing with the wedding ring with Jason.

Wendy (28:35.151)
Yeah.

Wendy (28:49.86)
Right, she was the one calling her... Right, she was the one calling her out. Right, was the one calling her out on it, right?

Yep. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (28:59.778)
You wanna, you know, wanna play, let's play. She can do it, Kristen. She can do it very well.

Wendy (29:02.735)
Yeah.

Wendy (29:06.02)
Yup.

Then he goes to Michelle and Michelle said, know, basically this is when she talks about Jesse and people like him. She's like, it's very hard for her to cry. Whereas Jesse can cry on demand. It's easier for him to connect with people because he shows himself as a vulnerable, a vulnerable man when he's crying. And he does cry a lot. He does show emotion and he does, whether it's acting or not, he does appear to be vulnerable. And I completely agree with her about that, you know?

We Wine Whenever (29:32.749)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (29:36.322)
Yeah, she comes off as cold.

Wendy (29:40.185)
Yeah.

Andy brings up the new house in Santa Clarita and Danny said that it only took him 18 minutes to get from Santa Clarita to Brittany's house. I was very surprised to hear that Jasmine did not sell the house. So I think that whole scene that we saw was just totally for TV.

We Wine Whenever (29:50.766)
He was very proud of that 18 minutes.

We Wine Whenever (30:01.806)
100%. I mean, I don't even know if we knew she was a realtor before that.

Wendy (30:07.632)
We didn't exact I mean I kind of knew she was but we hadn't seen her do anything But then she made some comment about it wasn't her territory and nothing to do with that like she just

We Wine Whenever (30:17.87)
Yeah, I mean if they're your buyer and you represent the buyer, then you find the property for them. At least that's how it works in New Jersey.

Wendy (30:21.579)
Right, right.

Yeah, no, that's how it works everywhere, I'm sure. Then the boys chat was brought up. Jack said that it was started at Schwartz's wedding and it's kind of discussed like what is in the boys chat and we find out that it's raunchy and nasty and locker room talk. Stripper, stripper vaginas. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (30:28.558)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (30:45.206)
and vaginas, which is when Zach removed himself from the boys' Stripper chotches, yep.

Wendy (30:53.494)
And degrading women 24 seven. Andy asked who is still on the boys chat and it's only Jesse and Jax. So that's interesting. no. Jesse and Jax are the only two still in the boys chat. I'm sure Janet made him get out. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (31:03.123)
Jason's not in there?

We Wine Whenever (31:11.054)
That checks out.

Listen, I believe Danny, when Andy asked him about repeating what Jesse put in the boys chat about Michelle, I really believe Danny that he didn't, I mean, I guess he knew he was miked, but he thought, he didn't think they were recording. And who was I listening to? I think Teddy and Tamara were talking about it. And they were like, no.

Wendy (31:24.442)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (31:43.758)
It was, I think it was, no, I think it was Teddy, because she's been in shows. But anyway, they were saying like, it does kind of make sense, because when you're on set, and he is an actor, where he's been on sets, where you could still be wearing your mic, and exactly, but Janet under her breath is like, we all know how mics work. He is an actor.

Wendy (31:56.995)
Right.

Wendy (32:02.49)
But when the scene's done, the scene's done. Yeah.

He's an actor. Yeah. Right.

We Wine Whenever (32:11.424)
Right, he is an actor, he's been on real sets. So I think it checks out, I personally believe him.

Wendy (32:14.37)
Right.

I do too, but I believe everybody. I'm the one who believes everybody. I do believe everybody. I do.

We Wine Whenever (32:22.537)
You do believe very much-

We Wine Whenever (32:27.916)
You do have a believe problem.

But he was whispering, he really was whispering.

Wendy (32:35.372)
He was, he totally was. totally was. Brittany says that Jack showed her all the text messages when they were together and I believe that. So she knows how disgusting they were. says, you told all the girls that, Andy says this, Michelle, told all the girls that Jesse spent all your money and he's broke. And Jesse said, well, I seem to be living just fine right now. Michelle said, well, who's paying your rent? He said, well, I'm paying my rent. Michelle's like, but.

We Wine Whenever (32:37.612)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (32:46.359)
Yes.

Wendy (33:05.306)
who's lending you the money. So I feel like there's more going on there we just don't know about, right?

We Wine Whenever (33:06.946)
Yeah, we need to know more about that. Mm-hmm. Yeah, Michelle needs to get on a podcast ASAP. Come on here. Tell us who's paying Jesse's rent.

Wendy (33:15.094)
Yes. Yes, Michelle. Yes. Or who's lending him the money, right? And Andy says to Jesse, you brought it up at the Zen party that you seem to be overwhelmed with finances. And Michelle says, Jesse, it's okay to admit it. And he's like, you know, it's double the expenses. The income is half, but he still doesn't admit it. He's still not, he's not ready to admit it.

We Wine Whenever (33:20.62)
Right. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (33:42.092)
Right. Right.

Wendy (33:46.992)
Michelle also says that during the course of her marriage, the more money you got, the more douchey you got. Did money make you a douche, Andy said. And Jessie's response was, to be honest, I think I was pretty douchey when I was working at the golf course, making 150 a loop. Okay, well that pretty much says it all, Jessie. I mean, we don't need to hear anymore. And then Jan is like, yeah, he has a tongue ring. And Brittany's like, I have a tongue ring. had a tongue And Jack's like, I had a tongue ring. I was like, my God, they all had tongue rings.

We Wine Whenever (34:05.632)
You

We Wine Whenever (34:16.748)
Yeah, and Dan was like, crap, guess I can't clown on him anymore for that since everybody else had him.

Wendy (34:16.92)
Okay.

Yeah, right.

Then Andy says the season opened with the shock of Jax checking himself into the mental health facility. Days before we started filming, you and Jax were separated, but then there was a huge fight. What set Jax off? Was the text message between her and Julian? And then Andy asks her, how soon after your separation did you start seeing Julian? And then she's like, it was about a month. And Jax is like, no, it was sooner than that.

Whether it was a month or it was sooner, it doesn't really matter. They were separated. They were separated.

We Wine Whenever (34:55.522)
Yeah, like that's semantics. But Brittany said he threw the coffee table, barstools, her Stanley cup, her phone, her laptop, he threw her into the rose bush. He only denied the rose bush part.

Wendy (35:11.886)
Yeah.

Yep, because he didn't know about the ring camera.

Right? And then Brittany said, listen, Julian was what I needed at the time. wasn't, cause Jax is like, he was sleeping with all these other women. She's like, I don't even care. Like he made me feel good. He made me feel special. He wasn't belittling me and berating me. And she's like, that's when she's like, you took away my sparkle and he's like, your sparkle. Like that was such a hard word for him to hear. She must've been.

We Wine Whenever (35:19.683)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (35:28.888)
cares?

We Wine Whenever (35:39.502)
She must have been saying that for a while, but she said he called her a tree trunk because of her stretch marks. Like, what a douchebag.

Wendy (35:47.226)
horrible

Wendy (35:51.31)
Everyone up there was verifying what she was saying. We've seen it in text. We've heard you say it. Everyone up there had her back. Every single person.

We Wine Whenever (35:54.124)
Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (36:00.748)
Yeah. And she said they barely had sex the last three years of their relationship.

Wendy (36:05.348)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (36:07.566)
So, mean, again, same thing with Jesse and Michelle. What do you think is gonna happen? You're not having sex with your own wife. You're not showing them any intimacy and they're asking for it. Listen, it's different, like we've said before. If this is just the place you're in in your marriage, which it happens, guess, this is what it is. But these women were asking for affection, they were asking for intimacy, and you weren't giving it to them.

Wendy (36:16.452)
Right.

Wendy (36:28.579)
Right.

Wendy (36:37.742)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (36:38.55)
I mean, you know, what do you expect?

Wendy (36:43.866)
But then he does admit that after he lost his job with Vanderpump is really when he started to lose it and the fact that Brittany was making more money and actually was supporting them. And then instead of being grateful, that's when he turned on her. Like he went after her. Like it was her fault that she was being successful and he wasn't.

We Wine Whenever (36:51.502)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (37:05.283)
Right.

And she said that the Julian incident was not an isolated incident and that had happened before. Him throwing things and getting violent, really.

Wendy (37:14.126)
Yeah.

I'm sure it wasn't, I'm sure it did happen before. And Andy asked, what is the custody? Brittany said, I have full custody now, but when the divorce is final, I'm gonna allow him every Wednesday and every other weekend. And if I need to get my nails done or something, then he can watch him. I'm never gonna let him like not see his son, but as long as he's passing his drug test. You know, I think that these are fair asks. I think it's definitely important that he's clean when he's with his son.

We Wine Whenever (37:39.138)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (37:46.19)
Yeah.

Wendy (37:47.432)
And somebody was saying that, I don't know who it was, but that custody agreement, the every other weekend and one day during the week is like an old custody agreement that they don't even usually do that anymore. It's normally like 50-50.

We Wine Whenever (37:58.755)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (38:02.178)
Yeah. I don't know. That was on a podcast because I remember hearing that too. I think it was Tamra who said it. Cause that was like her, her arrangement with Ryan or Simon too. Yeah.

Wendy (38:03.962)
So we.

Yeah. Yeah, it probably was. With Simon. With Simon. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's probably what it was. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Then Jax goes on to say he totally agrees with what she's saying. He doesn't want to uproot his son from the house. And Brittany's like, well, are you kidding me? Like, I'm the one who had to leave with our autistic son. Like, you wouldn't leave the house.

We Wine Whenever (38:17.42)
Ryan, her son, I meant, like, her first husband.

Wendy (38:36.676)
How are you saying this now? Are you kidding me? I don't blame her.

We Wine Whenever (38:39.82)
Yeah, because his PR people are telling him that he should say it.

Wendy (38:43.598)
Right. And then she's like, and you didn't pay the mortgage for seven months. Jack's like, well, I didn't pay anything. I didn't pay my car payment, I didn't pay anything. Okay. that makes it okay? So you're admitting.

We Wine Whenever (38:53.55)
Yeah, and he says that he went to seek help because his job was on the line. And for my son.

Wendy (38:57.496)
Right. Yep. The first thing he does say was job was on the line. His son was the second thing. Yep.

And he said, I don't think I needed help, but thank God because my job and my son was the two most important things. Once again, he says his job before his son.

We Wine Whenever (39:06.564)
what?

We Wine Whenever (39:13.666)
Yeah. So he's been sober for 156 days from everything but weed. Listen, you know me, I'm a supporter of California sober. If it keeps you off everything else, I'm 100 % with it. But Brittany asked him if he was still on steroids because his behavior hasn't changed. And if he's not on drugs or drinking alcohol, then why is his behavior still so crazy?

That's a valid question because that, mean, steroids makes you angry. They make you angry.

Wendy (39:43.141)
Yeah.

Wendy (39:48.666)
Yeah.

And why would he still be doing them? I mean, he's that vain.

We Wine Whenever (39:55.522)
Yes, I think he is. He's denying it, but yes, I think he is. This guy, I mean, God forbid, but he can have a stroke.

Wendy (40:04.652)
Mm-hmm. He can. Yeah.

He says he's still working on his anger. Brittany confirms like some days he's okay and some days he's not, which again would track if he's doing steroids where he's so erratic.

We Wine Whenever (40:22.434)
Yeah.

Wendy (40:25.764)
Jack says, I know you're test me anytime you want and I want you to test me. I want you to hold me accountable. I don't wanna touch drugs and alcohol again. It's like, F'd up my life. Okay. I mean, you don't need, Brittany, to hold yourself accountable. Like, that is what the programs are for, to be quite honest with you, is that you need to hold yourself accountable and you need to be getting up every day and doing this for yourself. Otherwise, it's not gonna work. It doesn't work.

We Wine Whenever (40:50.858)
Exactly. Exactly.

Wendy (40:57.04)
And that's pretty much where this episode of the reunion ends, think, because I don't have any more notes after that.

We Wine Whenever (41:02.026)
No, me neither. was it. They ended on the steroids.

Wendy (41:06.128)
Yeah, we'll have to wait and see what happens. mean, we do know that there's more involved with the Jax and Brittany thing, but I can't imagine. I don't know. I mean, we two more episodes, so it is crazy.

We Wine Whenever (41:19.886)
I feel like they're gonna like talk about something and then go back to Jackson Brittany and talk about something and then go back to Jackson Brittany But we'll see

Wendy (41:29.016)
Yeah. Yeah, we definitely will see. I guess until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Bye.

We Wine Whenever (41:37.347)
Bye.