The Valley-Apologies Denied & Drama Ignites 🔥 | The Valley Episode 2

Wendy (00:01.102)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.577)
I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:06.424)
We are talking about The Valley, season three, episode number two, Snip Snip. I think that's an appropriate title for this one.

Kelli (00:14.03)
Yeah, that was a good one.

Wendy (00:18.99)
We start out with Danny and Nia at their house with them and the kids in the pool, which looks like a nice place for the kids, but it's too far. I feel like it's too far for them.

Kelli (00:32.322)
I feel like it wouldn't be too far if they weren't on a show with a bunch of people who live an hour away. Not an hour away, but...

Wendy (00:38.101)
Yeah, and-

I don't even think it's just that because I know that the girls, I know that the twins, they film. Like they're the babies on, what's that show called? A George and Mandy. So she's always, they're always going to LA. So like, I think it's just even getting back and forth to work, you know? Like it's a commute. And then we see Schwartz at his condo with the.

Kelli (00:51.3)
yes, that's right. Yes.

Kelli (01:01.336)
Yes, yes.

Wendy (01:08.386)
Gordo, the dog that he shares with Katie, and his brother Burt was there. We have not seen Burt in many years.

Kelli (01:14.688)
I mean, don't, the only time I remember seeing Schwartz's siblings is when they got married and Jax arranged for them to be there, remember?

Wendy (01:23.114)
Yes, yeah, I do. And then we see Kristen and Luke and they're talking about the Sip and See and about how Michelle and Schwartz were being flirty. But I think it's just a friendship thing. I don't think that's anything, right?

Kelli (01:43.106)
No, I totally agree with you. I don't know if you listen to Reality Court, because I forget which one it was on, but Ace was talking about Luke and Kristen, and he said, I don't know if he said he witnessed it or if he heard that at BravoCon, they were in a really bad place, Luke and Kristen. Like he said he heard that Luke was like, I don't even wanna be with her anymore. Did you hear that?

Wendy (02:08.961)
No, no I didn't.

Kelli (02:11.682)
Yeah, I hope it's not true, I hope they're okay, but Luke's annoying me a little bit with pushing for the intimacy already when she just had her first baby because you're not in your right mind.

Wendy (02:23.202)
Yeah. Right. And she had fertility issues. So it wasn't just like, you know, and she's older and there's a lot going on. I agree. I don't think he's being, I don't think, I think he's being selfish. I think he's being selfish. That's my thought. That's my thought. And I did read, and I don't know if this was true or not, but that she was very, and I could see, I would be too, very upset that he was so open about the...

Kelli (02:31.917)
Yeah.

Kelli (02:39.522)
Yes, yes.

Wendy (02:51.478)
struggles with their intimacy on camera and like really putting it out there. Like, it's a lot.

Kelli (02:58.163)
But she kind of did too when she sat with Nia. She kind of did too.

Wendy (03:03.894)
Yeah, yeah. Again, I don't know if that was true. I know I would be upset about that.

Kelli (03:08.16)
Right. Well, that's the problem right now. You don't know what to believe any on social media with all A.I. and stuff like that.

Wendy (03:13.624)
Yeah.

Wendy (03:18.222)
Yeah. I did think it was interesting though when Kristen said, you know, my fourth trimester trimester literally ended two days ago. Okay, Kristen, there's no such thing as a fourth trimester. Thus the name trimester. No, it is not. It is not a new, we are not making this a new thing. There's not a new thing. Try. Yeah. No.

Kelli (03:30.53)
I think this is a new thing.

Kelli (03:37.742)
That's hysterical, hence the verbiage try, mister.

It would have to be your fourth Mester.

Kelli (03:52.29)
And there's no such thing. Wendy's right, don't try to make it a thing. It's not a thing.

Wendy (03:56.268)
Yeah, this is not a thing, Kristin. You could say that you are three months postpartum. I will take that. But no, this is not your fourth trimester.

Kelli (04:02.967)
Right.

That's hysterical. millennials.

Wendy (04:15.534)
And Kristen, I did kind of appreciate this. And listen, I appreciate what she's going through. In her confessionals, she's like, I understand, Luke has his needs. And my therapist said, what's 15 minutes out of your day? And Kristen's like, but in my head, it's just like, just pushed a baby out of my vagina. I'm not there yet. I'm not there yet. But again, yeah, it's OK. But I'm glad she's a therapist, that she's talking it.

Kelli (04:38.848)
that's okay.

Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

Wendy (04:45.174)
you know, talking it through. I love seeing Zach go over to Brittany's house and seeing that sensory room that she put together for Cruz. That was so cool. Yeah. That was so cool. Yeah.

Kelli (04:54.062)
That is

Yeah, she's a great mom, Brittany. She's a great mom. Remember when they were starting the whole divorce procedures and proceedings and people online were bashing her saying she's out drinking all the time? And I thought, I don't know. Maybe while she's filming, she's, but she, listen, she's a great mom.

Wendy (05:15.446)
No, I don't think so.

Wendy (05:20.398)
I agree, I totally agree. I loved how like Zach, he greets Cruz and like he's hugging Cruz and Cruz says, Zach and know, Brittany and Zach are like, I think he just said Zach and you know, Cruz is like, I did. My heart, my heart.

Kelli (05:38.518)
Yeah, like I felt like that was very genuine. Yeah.

Wendy (05:42.656)
It was, and you could see how he really was loving Zack. And I know that Zack and Brittany are very close. And I know that he goes over there and hangs out a lot. He does hang out with Cruz.

Kelli (05:47.118)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (05:54.223)
Yeah, and he's seeing a man be respectful and treat his mother nicely. So of course he's gonna love Zach, you know, compared to what the poor kid's seen otherwise.

Wendy (05:58.988)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. So Zach is also talking about Benji, how he thinks he's like the perfect partner for him, but Benji really wants kids and Zach doesn't. That could be a problem. Mm-hmm. Could be a problem.

Kelli (06:18.818)
Yeah, that could be a deal breaker.

Wendy (06:25.302)
I mean, I guess they'll figure it out. mean...

I don't know, I mean if he really wants kids, don't just give him kids if you don't want them.

Kelli (06:36.716)
Right. That's a recipe for disaster.

Wendy (06:40.022)
Yes. Yes.

Zach is expressing his concerns to Brittany about Brandon. He feels like they're moving way too fast. And she kind of agrees that they're moving fast. And he wants her to really see all the red flags. The fact that he has three kids and two different baby mamas, I think that's a little bit of a red flag.

Kelli (07:04.226)
Well, it wouldn't be except that Zach said he has drama with both. Like, we know a lot of people who have children with different partners. Okay, but when you have drama with both, you might be the common denominator causing the drama.

Wendy (07:17.409)
Right.

Wendy (07:26.016)
Yeah. And that's like the last thing she needs. Like she doesn't need, like she doesn't need that. Like she doesn't need that. So Sosa's birthday party, I thought that looked like an amazing one-year-old birthday party. I like seeing Lala's mom, Lisa. You her mom is on her podcast quite a bit. Like she talks about her mom and her mom is on her podcast. She's very, very much involved in her life and her parenting. Like they're very close.

Kelli (07:29.87)
100%.

No way.

Wendy (07:57.294)
Janice nervous because she's gonna see people there that she is not on good terms with. Honestly, I think she should be nervous. I think the things that she said was horrible. I think she said horrible things.

Kelli (08:06.456)
She should be nervous. She's like, I don't want to feel awkward in the group. You caused the awkwardness. You called Danny basically a sexual predator. So I think you are the cause of your own awkwardness, Janet.

Wendy (08:15.671)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Wendy (08:26.338)
Yeah. Lala is flirting with her 33 year old lifeguard. Good for her. yeah, yeah, yeah. think, yeah, she's in her thirties. Yeah, he's age appropriate for sure.

Kelli (08:32.59)
How old is he though? I mean, she's gotta be in that age group, right? Lala? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, he was good looking, so.

Yeah, do what you gotta do. Even if you aren't. Whatever. Your kid's party. You do what you gotta do.

Wendy (08:44.588)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (08:49.534)
I was surprised when Schwartz asked Danny where he met Nia and he said church and he explained the whole thing. I don't think we did either, but honestly, it totally tracks with who they are in their relationship and the fact that they work out problems. It tracks that he met her in church, right? I think it does.

Kelli (08:58.606)
don't think we ever heard that before. Yeah.

Kelli (09:13.411)
Yup.

I totally agree with you and I think it does speak to how they handle their business when somebody's making outlandish accusations and how they stuck together. It's just very important and I always tell my nieces and nephews that too. Family comes with some drama sometimes and not just family, friends and stuff like that but as long as you and your

Wendy (09:28.748)
Right.

Kelli (09:45.847)
significant other stay on the same page, form a united front, you'll be fine. Because we're all family, we all love each other, but your core is you and your spouse and your children. That's your core. So that's your united front right there.

Wendy (09:53.366)
Right. Exactly.

Wendy (10:06.444)
Yeah, I was surprised to hear that and I was happy to hear that. Janet goes over to Jasmine and she apologizes to her and know, Jasmine says thank you but she's like, I think that this is a bigger conversation and it's really not for this party. And then Janet goes on to say a little bit that she's been in therapy and you know, knows that some of the things that she said like,

Kelli (10:09.859)
Yeah.

Wendy (10:33.844)
She shouldn't have said them and she shouldn't have spoke about what was going on. But then she goes on to say, like, well, is there something that you would like to apologize to me for? I'm like, are you kidding me? Seriously, are you kidding me?

Kelli (10:45.88)
She's doing everything except like just literally asking for an apology. She's doing everything but that.

Wendy (10:54.23)
I think she did do that. I think she did ask for an apology. Yeah.

Kelli (10:55.916)
Yeah, basically.

And I kind of felt like Jasmine might've been put off by the whole conversation to begin with because I have a feeling that Janet probably has not reached out to Jasmine at all while off camera. And now that the cameras are rolling again, now she's approaching her to apologize. I feel like Jasmine is the kind of person to give grace. And if a conversation had happened and an apology had happened off camera, she would have been more accepting in this moment.

and not been like, think, you know, if we're gonna do this, we're gonna do it and it's not gonna be here.

Wendy (11:36.236)
No, I totally agree. And I absolutely agree that she has not spoken to any of them since they stopped filming. She hasn't spoken to any of them that she had problems with. Yeah, she's talked to Lala and she's talked to Brittany and Michelle, but that's it. That's it.

Kelli (11:41.506)
Yeah. Yep.

Kelli (11:48.718)
and Michelle.

Wendy (11:54.755)
It's, she's just awkward. She's just awkward.

Kelli (12:01.698)
Yeah, she's just basically asking for an apology. So I didn't understand that. this, so we see Zach meets up with Jessie for drinks and they start talking about Lacey and we'll get to that, but were they just not invited to the birthday party?

Wendy (12:21.486)
So Jesse, guess, was not because he dropped Isabella off at the birthday party, right? And it was a one-year-old birthday party, so why would Lala invite Zach because, like,

Kelli (12:37.474)
Yeah, I felt like it was kind of, I don't know, like I'm gonna, we're gonna see how La La moves on this show. Like I don't know, you're filming for a show, it's an ensemble cast, why are you leaving certain people out?

Wendy (12:44.205)
I mean

Wendy (12:51.64)
Well, and also Jasmine got invited last minute because that's what they were talking about. Because I guess Jasmine was supposed to be there at that aviator bar looked very cool.

Kelli (12:56.171)
Exactly.

Kelli (13:01.506)
Very, very cool. But if you're inviting Jasmine who doesn't have children, why aren't you inviting Zach that doesn't have children? I didn't like that, La La. One strike against you.

Wendy (13:09.229)
Right.

Wendy (13:12.672)
No, no. I mean, Schwarz was there. Schwarz doesn't have children.

Kelli (13:17.358)
Exactly.

Wendy (13:20.012)
No, you're right. You're absolutely right. I don't know if you saw when Janet is talking to Brittany and Michelle and Isabella's there and she's playing and she's got these Marc Jacobs sandals and we find out that Lacey bought those sandals for her.

Kelli (13:21.25)
Yeah.

Kelli (13:33.102)
I sure did.

Yeah, I did see that.

Wendy (13:38.582)
So the interesting thing is I read a little bit about Lacey this week. I mean, I did watch, I think it was on the after show. I don't know, someplace I saw, but I read about her. So when Lacey was in her early 20s, she was human, she was kidnapped and human trafficked. Did you know that?

Kelli (13:59.095)
I just read it this week as well.

Wendy (14:01.322)
Yes, I was like, I mean, it was only, not only, it was for a day. I mean, anytime you're kidnapped is a trauma, I can't even imagine.

Kelli (14:05.826)
Right, but still.

Of course. Yeah. Yeah. But it didn't go into detail. Like it didn't give details like where she was, how it happened, but she was with someone else, right? It was herself and someone. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (14:11.768)
But when I saw that, was like...

Wendy (14:20.172)
Yes. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I thought, wow, that's interesting.

Kelli (14:26.41)
Now, I don't know if you read this, I saw this very quickly and I couldn't find it again, so I really, I'm praying that this isn't true, quite honestly. But I did see it very quickly, I forgot where, and when I went to look again, I couldn't find anything. People are making comments about her face and the structure, and I'm not, personally. I'm just saying what I've seen on social media. And...

crooked has been the word that's being used. I saw, again, very quickly, she was assaulted and had to have plastic surgery, reconstructive surgery. I don't know if that's true or not, because when I went to find it again, I couldn't find it. But then I saw the thing about the kidnapping and I thought, well, wait a minute, maybe that's related.

Wendy (15:16.374)
Maybe it is related. I didn't see anything about that. And I honestly didn't notice anything about her face. I think she's a very beautiful girl. actually think, yes, she does look young, but I do think, I do think I may like her to be quite honest with you. I I initially didn't like the way she was going up to Michelle and how she reached out to Michelle. But I think that, I think,

Kelli (15:25.228)
Yes, she looks young, but she's very beautiful.

Wendy (15:46.262)
As the season goes on, we'll actually get to know her a little bit more. I kind of like how Jesse moves around her. I think that Jesse respects her. And I didn't see that with Michelle. So I think that there's something about her that may be good for Jesse, may make Jesse a better person.

Kelli (16:02.508)
think Jessie likes her money personally. I think Jessie likes her money. That's my personal opinion. I think Jessie likes to find her things and he's gonna do what he's gotta do to get it, but that's more about Jessie and has nothing to do with Lacey. I feel like they could probably be very chaotic together, but we'll see. But so far, she's fine on the show so far.

Wendy (16:24.204)
Yeah, we will see.

Yeah.

Kelli (16:31.168)
I mean, I didn't like that he said he feels like they are equals as far as intellect. I personally felt like that was a dig on Michelle, like she's not smart enough. Which, she was smart enough to get away from you, Jesse.

Wendy (16:42.869)
I didn't actually.

I didn't even pick up on him saying that. missed him saying that. I didn't hear that.

Kelli (16:49.91)
Yeah, yeah, that's how I took it.

Wendy (16:51.982)
And I also found it was interesting that, so Jesse had met Lacey many, many years before, and they were texting all the time, and then he met Michelle and he stopped his connection with Lacey, and then I guess he picked it up again. So she wasn't some random person, like he has a history with her.

Kelli (17:00.429)
Yeah.

Kelli (17:08.365)
Yeah.

Kelli (17:14.828)
Yeah, I mean, he said that Lacey was trying to take steps to create a cohesive, I guess, co-parenting situation. It's really not her place to do that. We had this conversation last week. Now, now that they've been dating for a year, okay, now might be the time to pursue that, but not any time prior. I mean, you're not engaged, so.

Wendy (17:39.521)
Right.

Kelli (17:42.679)
A co-parenting just even using that term. It's just not applicable because you're dating.

Wendy (17:50.102)
Right, no, I agree. I totally agree. Luke does tell Schwartz that him and Kristen hooked up for the first time before they came to the party.

Kelli (18:02.082)
Yeah, that was a little wild. Maybe that's what Kristen was upset about and that I don't blame her for. Like what are we in eighth grade? Like I just got a hand job in the, you know what I mean? Like what are we doing? And even using the term hooked up, it's so vague.

Wendy (18:07.488)
Yeah, like.

Wendy (18:14.094)
Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (18:19.98)
I know. I know. It is big. And it's actually juvenile. It's juvenile, right? It's just juvenile. Then Lala goes over to Nia.

Kelli (18:25.536)
Mm-hmm. Definitely juvenile. Yes. But it's also good to hear. It's good to hear that they got that out of the way.

Wendy (18:34.861)
Yeah.

Yeah, it is good to hear. Lala goes over to Nia and she says that she just wants a level ground for her and Janet. She wants them to see if they can mend things. And Nia's like, well, there's a lot of damage that's been done. I feel like, what is it I need to do? I'm not going to apologize to her. She's the one who needs to really make amends to me and my husband.

Kelli (19:04.686)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (19:08.502)
Yeah, yeah, so Lala brings Janet outside to Nia and Nia's standing there and you know, Janet doesn't apologize. I mean, did, did, right, right. I mean, she starts out with like, is there anything you want to say or get off your chest? I'm happy to listen. Nia's like, no, like I didn't even want this conversation. I'm sure she's thinking.

Kelli (19:19.256)
She doesn't apologize.

Kelli (19:34.511)
But in her confessional, Janet says, I do owe her an apology for the words I used. But then she kind of doubles down, yeah, doubles down, and says that Nia defends certain behavior. So you're not, if you apologize at this point, it doesn't even matter because you're still basically saying that Nia co-signs Danny's behavior.

And you're not taking back the essay comment. You're not taking that back. If you did that, I think you could move forward with them. You never took it back. You didn't apologize, even though in your confessional, you said you should. So that was a ridiculous scene, quite honestly.

Wendy (20:05.015)
No.

Wendy (20:16.61)
Right. Right.

Wendy (20:21.952)
It really was ridiculous. And I love that Nia just kind of stood there and was like, no, don't have anything to say. And Janet's like, okay, well, congratulations and talk to you soon. I was like, ooh. And then Nia goes inside to go breastfeed and she goes to walk in the room and Janet's in the room. She's like, oops. Yeah. Yeah, I think it might've even been La La. Yeah.

Kelli (20:43.608)
talking about Nia to somebody. Literally talking about Nia. It wasn't Lala, it was one of their friends, they put her, I think they put like her name and something underneath, like Janet's friend or, because there were a lot of people there that we don't know, but obviously in their friend group.

Wendy (20:57.865)
okay.

Wendy (21:03.308)
Yeah, no, there were. Yeah, so I don't blame Nia. mean, Nia's, you know, she said it. I don't like Janet. That ship has sailed. I feel like she doesn't need to be friends with her. Like, why does she need? And I honestly don't like Janet either. I don't.

Kelli (21:18.338)
No, does anybody, listeners, is there anybody out there except Lala that likes Janet and Brittany and Michelle?

Wendy (21:21.974)
Lala and Brittany and Michelle and Michelle.

Kelli (21:29.826)
I wonder if Michelle really does like Janet. Lala Defensor though. Lala rides hard for Janet.

Wendy (21:30.414)
I don't get it. I think she does. do. I know. I know.

Kelli (21:39.096)
But I mean, listen, is Lala the best judge of character that we know? No.

Wendy (21:45.27)
No? No?

I don't know. The next thing we see is Danny picks up Zach. He's going with him to get the consultation with the doctor for the vasectomy. I thought that was so nice that Zach went with him.

Kelli (21:58.989)
I thought it was too, but dude, Danny has no loss for dad jokes, man. And Zach's like, they are a comical duo together. I mean, I feel like Zach shooting with any of the straight guys on this show is a comical duo. Like I love the scene with Zach and Jesse. I'm like, have we ever had a scene with just Zach and Jesse? I like Zach and-

Wendy (22:04.855)
my gosh.

Kelli (22:27.404)
with any, like people are of course online like, why are Jasmine and Zach even on this show? I love Zach with any of the straight guys shooting a scene. I think it's comical. Yeah.

Wendy (22:39.382)
I do too. I do too. And I think that they really are friends because like Danny said, like he went with him to get the scrotox. Danny went with Zach when he went his scrotox. I know, I know. I still don't get that. I still don't get that. But watching that whole scene with the doctor and you know, he said about the dog being neutered and the doctor's like, we are not removing your testicles.

Kelli (22:46.702)
Yes he did. To make his balls look older, I don't know what that was about.

Wendy (23:09.098)
Jessie, Danny's just like, yeah, okay, okay.

Kelli (23:16.046)
yourself buddy.

Wendy (23:20.686)
Jesse and then Lacey, we see them go out to eat. Jesse describes Lacey as sassy and bougie. Okay, I mean, she said she lives in the... Okay, is there something wrong with that? I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Like...

Kelli (23:38.296)
but she only wears Zara jeans.

Kelli (23:44.399)
There's nothing wrong, listen, to them, Zara, even when the Beverly Hills Housewives talks about, to them, Zara is our, I don't even know, Express, I don't know. But Zara is still expensive, people. I mean, of course you can get some items that are very reasonably priced, but I'm sure Zara jeans are probably $200. I'm not buying $200 jeans, I can assure you of that.

Wendy (23:55.552)
Express. Yeah.

Wendy (24:13.966)
Yeah, but if you, listen, if you, that's it. If you find a jean that fits you well and you like the fit, you're gonna spend the money, right?

Kelli (24:14.016)
I would though if they fit well because I love jeans.

Kelli (24:22.99)
Yeah, I mean, I do buy, I only buy Express Jeans because they happen to fit my body very well. And Express Jeans are $88, but I only buy them when they're on sale. Because I'm not even spending $88 on jeans. Nevermind. I, yeah, I mean, it's not like Zara's like, you know, I'm not even gonna say, I'm not even gonna make a comparison.

Wendy (24:34.039)
Yeah.

Wendy (24:44.46)
Yeah, but she lives on the Newport Coast, but she was born in San Clemente. Like that means nothing to me. I mean, the Newport Coast means something, but her house is 4,000 square feet and has five bedrooms. She got married in her twenties. She had her little girl and then she got divorced. Like, okay.

Kelli (25:10.51)
And I don't know who she was married to, but she did very well in her divorce.

Wendy (25:15.05)
Yes. So their daughters, her little girl and Jessie's little girl, like they play well together. And Lacey's is talking about freezing her eggs because I guess, you know, she's not sure exactly what she wants to do, but she wants to have options, which listen, I think that's fine. I think we're all entitled to have options.

Kelli (25:36.546)
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I like when he was like, well, we, she's like, not you, me. It was, it was very Craig and Paige. Remember when Paige was talking about freezing her eggs and Craig was like, well, should I be doing that? Like, you know, not that he has eggs.

Wendy (25:47.192)
Right.

Wendy (25:51.661)
Yes.

Wendy (25:56.524)
Right. Right. Right. But I know he wanted to check his sperm and do something with that. Right.

Kelli (26:02.848)
Right, right. Yeah.

Wendy (26:09.24)
Did she ever do that? Did Paige ever freeze her eggs, I wonder?

Kelli (26:12.416)
I don't know, mean, not that we ever saw, but I'm sure she did. She seemed serious about it. Yeah, I bet you she did. She, you know, listen, she, I'm not saying she should, but if that's in the back of your mind, I don't know, I don't know what kind of process it is. I don't know if it's a painful process, I don't know. So, but if that's in your mind, then you should do it, because you're never gonna regret doing it, but you might regret not doing it. Yeah, I would imagine.

Wendy (26:15.682)
I don't... I bet you she probably did. Yeah, I bet you she probably did.

Wendy (26:34.636)
No, it's painful. It's painful.

Wendy (26:40.406)
I totally agree.

Kelli (26:41.386)
It's painful and it's not a very pleasant experience.

Wendy (26:46.294)
Yeah. Then we see Schwartz meets up with Michelle and they go to the salt cave and there's also a, I know I love a salt cave, but I really love a sound bath. I really love a sound bath, I really do.

Kelli (26:56.139)
I know.

Kelli (27:00.334)
That was nice what they went to

Wendy (27:02.87)
Yes. We've done the salt cave, ours didn't have a sound bath in it. Next time we need a sound bath in ours. We had the sound bath. Yes, yes. So Sarah asks them why they're there and Michelle's like, know, you know, went through a really, she's going through, she's not even through a really nasty divorce and her mother has passed away and she's still dealing with that, which is completely understandable. And yeah, I know I did too.

Kelli (27:08.716)
No, but when we did yoga that one time, we had a sound bath in it, remember? Yeah.

Kelli (27:31.832)
You

Wendy (27:32.334)
I did too, and you know what? I think that's, it's not uncommon that when you lose your mother, you know, the grieving process is a long time. It's not, you know, it's not, it's not just a straight line and everyone grieves differently, you know?

Kelli (27:43.522)
Yeah. for sure. And it's your mom. Like, it's your mom. Nobody's ever, you know, there's nobody ever like, there's nobody else like her, ever.

Wendy (27:48.246)
Yeah, it's your mom. Yep, it's your mom.

Wendy (27:56.014)
Right. Schwartz says that, you know, he's at the tail end of a climactic and dramatic few years. But lately he's been pretty peaceful. I'm like, Schwartz, he's so funny. You know what, he's very intelligent, Schwartz.

Kelli (28:10.232)
He does have a way of words.

Kelli (28:15.532)
Yes, he is, he is. He's one of those people, and we know plenty of them, very book smart, not so much with the common sense.

Wendy (28:17.614)
He really is.

Wendy (28:24.896)
Mm-hmm. Yes, yeah. I thought, to be honest with you, I thought that he had a girlfriend. I thought he was seeing someone seriously, but after watching these last few episodes, it doesn't really seem like he does. It seems like he's very single.

Kelli (28:40.718)
Well, let's hope so because I mean, unless she just didn't want to film, but even if she doesn't want to film, like you're on a reality TV show. So if you have a girlfriend, we, you know, be forthcoming with that and don't be trying to fake a future relationship with Michelle. I mean, we're all seeing through this. I mean, he's trying, but she's like, no, no, this is how rumors get started. No,

Wendy (28:50.828)
Yeah, like don't write.

Wendy (29:00.874)
No. Right. And well, Tom says that, you know, he's he like

He's sad that he doesn't have a family. He's where he's at at this point in his life and he doesn't have a family. And he's now to the point where he's gonna really put himself out there and see if that's something that's in the cards for him. And Michelle says she really just misses the affection. And I can understand that because you know what? One, her divorce is not over and traumatic and at least she has Isabella. she, you know.

Kelli (29:33.358)
Yeah. Yeah.

And I'm sure she's missing the affection for a long time because it didn't sound like she and, like that was one of her things. Like, you're not affectionate with me.

Wendy (29:45.292)
Right, right, right, right. I loved how when Danny was telling me about his appointment, his spin on it was how he had to ejaculate 35 times to let all the swimmers out before he had his thing. And he can't do anything around the house for 10 days, can't pick up the kids.

Kelli (30:05.55)
Yeah.

Kelli (30:10.562)
Yeah, I'm bedridden for 10 days. I'm like, they didn't, he didn't say that. And then they flashed back to what the doctor really said.

Wendy (30:15.446)
Right.

Wendy (30:19.446)
Right, exactly. And Nia said, you sit home with some ice on your balls for a few hours and you're fine. And Danny's like, no, a few days. And she's like, listen, if a woman can have a C-section cutting through seven layers of her body and walk around the same day, I think you'll be just fine. I was like, that's right, you will. Right?

Kelli (30:26.018)
Yeah.

Kelli (30:32.493)
Yep.

Kelli (30:36.578)
Yep. Yep. Exactly. And you are up and walking that day. Take it from me. With a belly full of gas that you have to walk. You can't just lay there. You'll be in excruciating pain if you just lay there.

Wendy (30:43.894)
Yup.

Kelli (30:55.234)
You have to get the gas out. I mean, it is what it is.

Wendy (30:55.394)
Yeah.

Wendy (30:59.8)
Yep. We're talking about two tiny little incisions. He'll be fine.

Kelli (31:04.748)
Yep. Yep.

Wendy (31:07.31)
She's nervous about she's not making enough milk. Adelaide's not really latching well. And she's really struggling. She's really struggling being so far away from her friends. You can see that she's completely overwhelmed. I listen, I think that Dani is definitely going to be there for her. I think she's got a great partner in Dani. I think she needs to just reach out to her friends too and let them help her. Let them help her.

Kelli (31:34.67)
Yeah, and I think Danny's coping mechanism is to try to be, like to try to joke. But I agree with you that when it comes down to it, he's gonna be there for her, he's gonna help her. He's gonna tell a lot of dad jokes through the process, but he's gonna be there.

Wendy (31:43.948)
Right.

Wendy (31:50.124)
Yes, yeah.

Wendy (31:56.235)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (31:58.275)
So do you think Michelle and Schwartz are gonna plan a San Diego trip? Like what they were talking about?

Wendy (32:02.958)
I do think so. I think that's going to be the next trip. Yeah. I wonder why they picked San Diego. I think that will be fun. I guess this is...

Kelli (32:05.974)
Yeah, so that'll be fun to watch.

Yeah, I don't know. mean, I've been there, but I don't know what it's like known for, but she, I mean, they were doing this like holistic thing and it, she grew up there. Michelle grew up there. I loved when she said that she's been going to Tijuana since she was a junior in high school, going to the clubs and then sneaking back in the house. But she said her parents were very spiritual. maybe, maybe that, maybe that.

Wendy (32:25.548)
Okay, that's right.

Yes, that's right.

Kelli (32:39.778)
Maybe San Diego is known for that a little bit.

Wendy (32:43.296)
Yeah, that would be good. That would be good. Yeah, I, listen, I like the Valley. I'm liking this season so far.

Kelli (32:45.068)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (32:51.946)
Me too. I very much am.

Wendy (32:55.502)
If Janet gets iced out, I'm okay with that. I really am.

Kelli (32:58.702)
so okay, like I wanna say it. I wanna say it. And I'm keeping a close eye on La La. I just don't know. I just don't know. And so you listen to her podcast, like are she and Sheena still not friends?

You know, the saddest part about that is how close Ocean and what is Sheena's daughter's name?

Wendy (33:26.648)
Summer, summer moon.

Kelli (33:27.756)
summer, how close they were, and don't they like live next door to each other?

Wendy (33:30.67)
They still are. In Palm Springs, they live next door to each other. And in the Valley, they go to the same school. The kids still are close. The kids still see each other. The kids... Or Brock and somebody. Yeah, no, the kids still see each other. The kids still see each other, which is good. Yeah, no, it is good. It is good.

Kelli (33:35.521)
Okay.

Kelli (33:41.002)
Okay, good. So what, like, the grandparents kinda make it happen?

Kelli (33:51.0)
Okay.

Well, that's good, because that's... yeah.

Wendy (34:00.015)
I think it's sad though. I definitely think it's sad. I think it's sad because they really were very close.

Kelli (34:05.4)
They were and it wasn't like a big, like what happened? Like, it wasn't like a big thing, right?

Wendy (34:12.116)
I mean, like they both kind of gave their side of it. Well, it was Sheena put out her book and she didn't feel like Lala was supportive of it. Like she sent her the book and she only posted about it like a couple days later. she didn't feel like she was there for her. And...

Kelli (34:14.924)
It was something about somebody's book, right? Sheena's book?

Wendy (34:37.132)
Words were said and I just think it's stupid. I mean, at this point in your life, just get over it. Just get over it.

Kelli (34:41.155)
Yeah.

Yeah, like, you're growing adults. You know. You got jobs, you got kids, you got... One's got a husband, like, what are you doing?

Wendy (34:48.344)
Yeah.

Wendy (34:53.858)
Yeah. I don't know.

Kelli (34:55.016)
Why do you want to create that kind of mess for yourself? Sometimes messes are created anyway, but...

Wendy (34:59.308)
but I also think it had some.

I think it had something to do too with the Brock thing. I think that Lala may have told somebody.

Kelli (35:12.103)
right. I feel like Zach might have been involved in this.

Wendy (35:12.576)
and she shouldn't have, I think she may have... Well, I wouldn't be surprised to be quite honest with you.

Kelli (35:18.435)
Right.

Wendy (35:21.494)
I don't remember exactly, because it's been a while now at this point. It was a while ago that this happened.

Kelli (35:25.602)
I wish La La would just come out and say that it's fake and phony and it's just a story and it never happened. I wish she would just come out and say that.

Wendy (35:31.992)
But it's not. Yeah. And then the other issue was they both started talking about it on each other's on their own podcast. Like you never want to do that. Like, you know.

Kelli (35:39.114)
Right. Now, that's not good. That's not gonna end well.

Wendy (35:45.642)
No, it never does. It never does. And I did see also, did you see Stassi was like condemning Amanda Batula?

Kelli (35:56.142)
I did see that.

Wendy (35:58.146)
I was surprised. I was surprised she entered the chat on that one, to be honest with you.

Kelli (36:02.744)
totally agree with you. But I will say this. Yeah. I'm going to watch this season of Summer House because somebody on social media was talking about how has Ciara, was it this season that Ciara has spoken? Because I know she has in the past, but to me it seemed like it was more recent. She was talking about how difficult it is to be a woman of color.

Wendy (36:05.388)
and Amanda was out.

Wendy (36:28.46)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (36:28.794)
the house so it's this season again she's speaking about it okay so I am gonna rewatch it because basically the person who was mentioning that was like you just saw one of your best friends like go through this whole thing like you know

Wendy (36:41.548)
And right, and it wasn't, yeah. It wasn't just that. What Sierra was saying is, you know, I got a lot of grief as a woman of color dating a white man and the way I was treated. Like, you have no idea. And her friend Mia is on this season of Summer House. Like, Sierra's very good friend. And she's, I love Mia. Like, she just came in, but I feel like she's always been there. Like, she fits in perfectly.

Kelli (36:53.048)
Right. Right.

Kelli (37:10.326)
Okay, yeah.

Wendy (37:10.914)
literally fits in perfectly. And she chimed in and the new guy, KJ chimed in. you know, yes, this is exactly what happened. And Ciara is so vulnerable and she always is. And the fact that, you know, she always is. Like today we're recording this, it's Saturday, April 11th.

Kelli (37:27.532)
He always is.

Wendy (37:34.252)
Just yesterday, Friday, April 10th, Amanda put out on her social media like, okay, well it's time for me to go out. When she knew damn well she was gonna be going out that last night with West and seen and photographed. Because he had been away and now he's back.

Come on, like do better.

Kelli (37:52.985)
Yeah, Amanda, man, you've disappointed a whole group of people. listen, Stacey doesn't say much, but when she says things, people do listen, and it's normally like a pretty poignant statement. So listen, we've said it before. At this point in your life, Amanda, you can control who you fall in love with. I'm sorry. I don't think that this was some, you know,

love at first sight and he swept you off your feet and you had no control. That's not what happened. You saw how what this guy did to your friend. He was a douche bag. He got so jacked up in the limelight of becoming famous. That should have been enough to give you the ick on this guy. That should have been enough. How he acted like when Paige called him out at that reunion when he when she was like.

You're texting us like, isn't this great? Meanwhile, Carl and Lindsay were going through a broken engagement. Like, they're actually our friends and we felt bad for them. And you're saying how great this season was and how great our lives are gonna be. Like, this guy is no good. So, I'm sorry, Amanda. This could have been avoided. And they're not gonna last. It's not like Wes and Amanda are gonna...

go off into the sunset together and live a long happy life together, I would be shocked if that happens.

Wendy (39:21.976)
Well, did you see Sierra was on the red carpet for Euphoria premiere? And she said that. She said, like, if you do this to your friend, I hope it's because you guys are going to get married. Like, what's the end game? They're not going to get married. Like, that's like, right. There's no end game for this. This is ridiculous.

Kelli (39:35.532)
What's the end game?

You just F'd over one of your best friends who has non-stop been there for you with your dysfunctional marriage that's been dysfunctional since it started. No marriage is perfect, but yours was jacked up from the beginning. And she stood by you this whole time, and this is what you do to her.

Wendy (40:01.356)
Yeah. No, it's not good.

Kelli (40:02.54)
Yeah, Amanda, man. I mean, she was never a fan fave of mine. Whew, certainly not now.

Wendy (40:13.048)
No, yeah, you should watch Summer House. It is very good. And we'll start talking about it. We'll talk about it.

Kelli (40:15.66)
I'm going to.

Wendy (40:21.676)
Alright, so I don't have anything else for this. yes, for sure. But definitely will be. So, until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye!

Kelli (40:22.286)
I mean, definitely after the reunion, we'll definitely cover the reunion, because that's going to be wild. Yeah.

Kelli (40:40.591)
Bye.