The Traitors S4 E4 & E5- Kitchen Blowups and Castle Chaos

Wendy (00:01.132)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy. We are talking about The Traitors, season four, episode number four and five, we're recap tonight. Number four was Cut the Head Off the Snake. So, I don't know, I don't know about these titles to be honest with you. I don't really like The Traitors titles, but when I was watching this with my oldest, when he heard that title, he's like, no.

Kelli (00:04.011)
I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:29.634)
because he is a big fan of Rob and Rob is the snake wrangler.

Kelli (00:34.786)
yeah, I didn't even put that together. So he thought Rob was going to get.

Wendy (00:38.114)
So he, yes, that's what he said. Okay, if this happens, then I'm out. You're watching it on your own. I know, know. Yep. So we start out with the face-to-face killing. We find out at breakfast who was killed and it was Monet.

Kelli (00:44.61)
Oh god, you already lost Bill when Mom and Kelsey got kicked off. You're gonna be watching this alone.

Wendy (01:02.464)
No, no, wasn't Monette. Monette says we have to question them and see who's killing face, how it went down, like what happened at the breakfast table, which I thought was brilliant. Like that's the way to find out, right?

Kelli (01:12.387)
smart. It was Caroline Stansberry that got killed, but yeah, that was really, really smart of him.

Wendy (01:16.823)
Yes.

Yeah. And Dorinda is talking about how she feels so bad that she let Lisa Rinna spend the night out there on the tree. Listen, I get it. mean, if you were responsible for somebody being out there, I would feel bad too.

Kelli (01:32.448)
Yeah.

Colton didn't seem to feel terrible.

Wendy (01:39.199)
No, Colton didn't.

Kelli (01:40.896)
He really didn't and his partner's the one that got murdered. But I mean, he says multiple times he's playing a game, he came here to win, so.

Wendy (01:45.859)
Yeah.

Wendy (01:49.542)
he definitely makes that clear. He definitely makes that clear. Ron is the first to come in and they ask him how he was tied up and Ron said he heard little footsteps. And then Monet asked Michael how it was when he walked around the people, implying that he was the one walking around the people. Michael's just like, I think it's funny when they try and trick.

Kelli (01:51.426)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Kelli (02:10.646)
Yes.

Wendy (02:18.658)
the people because this isn't the you know like that that's how they're trying to get Michael to you know to trip up but Lisa's the next it is a good tactic then Lisa's the next one to walk in and they ask her what happened and she's like I need a little tea because you know we know she's a traitor and she does she know I think she should know even though she's a traitor I still think she should know

Kelli (02:19.478)
Yes. Yes.

Kelli (02:26.006)
Yep. It's a good tactic. It's a very good tactic.

Kelli (02:45.184)
Well, she has to figure out how to play it so that she doesn't sound like a traitor and she sounds like somebody who is tied up on the tree.

Wendy (02:52.684)
Yeah, I mean, think it's smart that she took a minute. Like, I think that's the actress in her. And, you know, she starts, you know, pretty much the same thing as Ron, and they ask her, you know, like, who brought you back? And she's like, you know, the cloaked men, and they're like, well, what color were the cloaks? And, like, she got it all right.

Kelli (02:55.456)
Yeah.

Kelli (03:11.799)
Yeah.

Wendy (03:14.345)
then er- yes.

Kelli (03:14.498)
She mentioned the axe and...

Who came in first? Ron. Ron said they untied me and she said they used an axe at this point.

Wendy (03:26.125)
Right.

Right.

Then Eric is the next in and he said that thought, cause they asked how many people he said he thought that maybe there were two traders, but he thinks he got a clue. Like he heard a laugh.

You

Kelli (03:44.114)
Mm-hmm. Didn't you really think he was talking about Rena?

Wendy (03:49.122)
I did think he was talking about Rena. I absolutely did. And it's funny.

Kelli (03:52.662)
I mean, Candace has a pretty distinct laugh as well, but Rinna's just, you know.

Wendy (03:57.526)
I did. Will thought he was talking about Candice. Which he probably was. Right. Well, we know who it wasn't.

Kelli (04:00.896)
Yeah, it really could have been either one of them.

Kelli (04:06.966)
Right.

Wendy (04:13.272)
Then they show that Caroline was the one who was killed, you know, face to face. And Caroline says, I'll see you outside of this sometime to Lisa. You know, probably BravoCon. And Lisa's like, no, you won't. Bye bye. I was like, Lisa.

Kelli (04:28.322)
But she's absolutely right, Lisa doesn't go to BravoCon anymore. She got booed the last time she went there. Why the hell would she go back there?

Wendy (04:33.9)
Right. Right. She's like, I can't believe I was murdered by two housewives. And it's true, she was.

Kelli (04:39.924)
I know, I know, which was, was smart because it kind of puts everybody else off their path.

Wendy (04:47.693)
Right.

Next, Kristen walks in and they all cheer and they asked Kristen how long it lasted and she said, it seems like forever, which I imagine when you're in the dark, like it probably does seem like forever.

Kelli (05:02.624)
Yeah, like I was thinking that, like that's such a hard question to answer because if they had really been tied to the tree for as long as we're supposed to believe they had, how do you measure that time? Like you don't even know how long you were standing there until they take you off. So that's a difficult question to answer.

Wendy (05:12.578)
Right.

Wendy (05:18.582)
Right, exactly. Exactly.

Wendy (05:23.788)
I thought so too. Then Eric and Ron are talking about how their experience was and what they heard. This is like after the breakfast where they're off by themselves and they both agree that they heard like little footsteps. I mean, I don't know how, like if you're in the woods, what does a little footstep sound like as opposed to a big footstep? I mean, I didn't understand that to be honest with you.

Kelli (05:47.307)
And honestly, Candice can't be much big. mean, Maura is very petite, but it's not like Candice is, you know, or Lisa Rinna for that matter. All the women are tiny. Like even Kristen is tall, but she's so petite.

Wendy (05:59.295)
All the women are tiny.

Wendy (06:04.224)
Yeah, but she, right.

Wendy (06:08.108)
I know. I don't know.

Kelli (06:12.652)
Short. petite. Yeah, I always screw that up.

Wendy (06:13.112)
Tiffany tells Kristen she thought about her and she thought that she was going to be killed. She was really worried it was her. Tiffany's saying that she's stuck on Jam Jam and Michael. That's who she thinks it is. She thinks it's either Jam Jam or Michael or both. And Colton decides that he wants to take out Tiffany. And he's telling Mark, he's telling Ron, he's Monet. He's pretty much telling anybody who'll listen to him.

Kelli (06:42.6)
Anybody who will listen to him. Not a fan of Colton's.

Wendy (06:46.67)
No, I'm not either. So today's mission is they have to find these hidden spears in the woods. Then they have to put them in the fire and shoot them into the beast. And every time they shoot an arrow into the beast, have to yell out, shout out a player's name whose shields they're going to take. And they have to get 10 beasts at $2,000 each so they can put $20,000 in the pot. And they have 25 minutes to do this.

Kelli (07:15.798)
Not a lot of time.

Wendy (07:16.11)
and they split them up into four teams. I think they split themselves up too. I don't think anyone does it. I think they decide who they're gonna be with, which is good. You guys figure it out, yeah.

Kelli (07:25.376)
Yeah. No, Alan says like choose your teams. Yeah.

Wendy (07:32.183)
Wendy (07:36.504)
So the teams are, one team is Michael, Natalie, and Stephen. The other team is Colton, Kristen, and Mark. Another team is Candice, Erica, Lisa, and Monet. It's funny because I've found, now that I've been writing these down, that Candice and Lisa, a lot of times, wind up on the same team.

Kelli (07:57.717)
I noticed that watching these two episodes back to back, I'm like, why do they keep doing that? They have to stop doing that.

Wendy (08:01.674)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Then Johnny, Ron, Tiffany, and Jam Jam. And then Dorinda, Maura, Rob, and Tara.

Kelli (08:14.24)
Maura and Rob do also, but at least they're not both traders.

Wendy (08:18.53)
Right, exactly. And they at least have a connection too. Like they knew each other.

Kelli (08:19.796)
And yeah, and Tess said they were not on the same season. And she said she thinks Maura must've been like a host on another one of the, I don't know. I meant to look into it before we started, but she said she doesn't remember her from the season Rob was on.

Wendy (08:25.421)
Season.

Wendy (08:31.982)
Wendy (08:39.168)
Okay. Who was the first one to lose a shield?

Kelli (08:48.329)
I forget. Ron. Right? Yeah.

Wendy (08:51.084)
Ron. Yeah, Ron. Okay, Ron's the first one to lose a shield. The next one is Tiffany, then Monet, then Michael, then Tara. Candice tells Lisa that Monet said her name. you know, that puts Monet on the radar for the traitors. Then Steven is the next one to lose a shield. Lisa is next.

Maura is next, Johnny is next. Like they lost a lot of shields. I mean, they lost 10. They lost 10 shields. They have three minutes left in this challenge and they still have one left to find. I think what's good about these challenges is that they do have such a short amount of time and it's quite a bit that they have to accomplish. It seems like it is anyway.

Kelli (09:26.752)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (09:41.199)
It doesn't, it never sounds like it's enough time. But they always manage to do it.

Wendy (09:44.492)
Right, seems like they're, yeah, it seems like they're right down to the wire every single time. Mark gets it and there's two minutes to go and Jam Jam is the last one to lose his shield. Yeah.

Kelli (09:49.399)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:56.31)
and he starts crying.

I don't mean to laugh, it's like everybody else was like, damn them. And he's like,

Wendy (10:03.168)
Right. no, I'm going to go.

Kelli (10:06.434)
Like pull it together,

Wendy (10:12.302)
The next thing I notice is when they're back at the castle, I don't know if you noticed this, but it was just, Michael Rapoport is sitting there shoveling food into his mouth off the plate. Did you see that? I was like, what is wrong with him? He had his mouth.

Kelli (10:24.3)
Yeah. He's just...

I don't know, like did he forget he was on camera? Like, I don't know.

Wendy (10:33.614)
I was like, who eats like that? It really was. It was. And meanwhile, Colton is back at the castle on his mission to get Tiffany out, like talking to everybody.

Kelli (10:35.702)
Yeah, that was a lot to watch.

That was a lot to watch.

Kelli (10:48.236)
Yeah.

Wendy (10:50.742)
And Candice kept saying, nope, I think it's Ron. I'm going for Ron. And he's like, why are you shifting? Like, why are you going to Tiffany? And she's, Candice is maintaining, like, this is what got Porsche out. Like, we need to stick with the plan.

Kelli (11:01.632)
Yeah.

Wendy (11:05.846)
So they go to the round table and Colton starts right away. Starts, says, Tiffany. He said, you're the traitor. I'm going after tonight. You started out with a plan going for Ron and then going for Jam Jam and then Michael. And Tiffany's like, I wouldn't go for a gamer. like, you know, did I say Jam Jam and Michael? she, and I don't think she would have gone for a gamer to be honest with you, because she was a gamer. And.

Kelli (11:29.43)
Jam Jam's a gamer.

Wendy (11:33.494)
Yes, Jam Jam was a gamer. Yes, yes. You're right, he is a gamer. Yeah.

Kelli (11:33.516)
Jam Jam's a gamer. And she did say, she said those three, Ron, Jam Jam, Michael, she did say it.

Wendy (11:40.876)
Yeah, Michael wasn't, but Jam Jam was. And I think, like she had always maintained, she thinks Michael is a traitor, so I think that's why she was staying close to Michael.

Kelli (11:52.936)
Yeah, I think she said it. Yeah.

Wendy (11:54.838)
Yeah, yeah, she did say it and she was, you know, she didn't necessarily say it to them, but she said it to us, right? Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (11:56.93)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (12:00.746)
Right. And her confessionals, yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (12:06.35)
And Tiffany's like, you you're taking a big chance, you're taking the wrong chance because I can think of two, three and four steps ahead of, I mean, the traitor. says, well, I was tied to the tree and I heard light steps. That's why I think it's you. Maura. And he's blaming Maura, Ron. And I was like, Maura? Like, how did that come out? Like, that was the first time her name had even been mentioned.

And this is, think, what really solidified it for Tiffany was Eric when he said, being the singer, that when I was on the tree, I gave a plea and I said, hope my ghost and all the ghost haunt you the rest of your life. And I heard a laugh. I am 99 % sure that laugh was Tiffany.

Wendy (13:00.214)
And that's all everyone needed to hear. mean, Eric is really the one who solidified it. I mean, besides the fact that Colton.

Kelli (13:06.836)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Wendy (13:12.918)
And then I felt bad for Tiffany because she's like, you know, she really needed the money.

Kelli (13:18.24)
Yeah. I would have liked to have seen her, because I thought she was very smart. So I would have liked to have seen her figure out who the traders were. And I think she would have.

Wendy (13:28.662)
Yeah, which honestly, that puts a target on you.

Kelli (13:32.19)
I know, I know, you have to play stupid.

Wendy (13:36.941)
Yeah.

Kelli (13:37.152)
You know who's really good at that? And this is no shade, Rob, who is a trader. He's playing a faithful very well. Not asking too many questions, not giving any opinions, but placing himself in all of the conversations to know what people are thinking.

Wendy (13:47.98)
I agree.

Wendy (13:58.138)
I agree. I think he's playing a great game. I think Lisa Rinna actually is playing a horrible game because she is an over the top person and she doesn't talk enough. She doesn't.

Kelli (14:00.595)
Yeah, for sure.

Kelli (14:06.274)
terrible.

Kelli (14:13.922)
She's not engaging. Even Candace is getting into the conversation with people.

Wendy (14:18.602)
Yeah. Yeah.

I like, and I like the way Candace is doing it to be honest with think Candace is doing a really good job, but I don't think Lisa is playing such a great game yet at this point.

Kelli (14:24.428)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (14:35.734)
You know what's interesting? The rest of the cast doesn't know that there was a secret traitor. So they got Donna out. If they get another traitor out, they're going to think there's only one left. And there's going to be two.

Kelli (14:48.738)
Because don't they right now think that there's three? They keep putting three names out at a time.

Wendy (14:49.249)
Yeah.

Wendy (14:56.064)
know what they think to be honest with you because

Kelli (14:57.698)
Because it's not like Donna got up there and said I was the secret trader. She just said you got yourself a trader.

Wendy (15:03.052)
Right. But I don't. Yeah, I don't know if they know how many traders there were because I don't know if you remember in the very beginning when Portia got out, she said she thought there was four traders.

Kelli (15:04.642)
So that'll be interesting.

Kelli (15:13.206)
She said three or four. You're right. She did say three or four. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (15:15.04)
Right, right, so where did she get that from? Like, you know what I mean?

Wendy (15:24.279)
Wendy (15:28.536)
So Ron is really kind of, Dorinda's after Ron at this point. Again, she is saying that you don't really make yourself available. Listen, I think that, I mean, obviously I know that Ron's not the traitor, but I really think, I don't know how Ron survives it every single time. I really don't.

Kelli (15:47.529)
I don't either.

Wendy (15:49.422)
I really don't like him as a faithful. I wouldn't like him as a traitor either.

Kelli (15:53.453)
How did Maura not vote for him? Well, actually, I think it's the next one where I was like, why is she not voting for Ron? It is the next one.

Wendy (16:02.698)
Yeah, so we got, go, they go to the votes and let's see. Candice votes for Ron. Tiffany votes for Jam Jam. Michael votes for Ron. And everybody else votes for Tiffany. Everybody else votes for Tiffany. Which Tiffany is banished and she announces you should be proud of yourself. You get what you deserve. And you all didn't deserve me. I'm a faithful.

Kelli (16:31.478)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (16:33.77)
Eric and Colton are shocked. Candice said, I believe that he thought that he heard her. Like, Candice is trying to defend Eric because Eric is really the one who, you know.

Kelli (16:46.404)
He got, yeah, he got her thrown off for sure.

Wendy (16:49.949)
Yep. Colton's like, I made a mistake. He said, I'm, you know, I'm not going to change my play style. I played football for seven years of my life and I'm bold. I'm aggressive. That's just who I am. I mean, it's funny.

Kelli (17:03.094)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (17:06.658)
He has like no, he doesn't, no remorse.

Wendy (17:10.154)
He's got no remorse and the fact that like he's talking about football and being bold and aggressive is just like, I mean, you've been on two other reality shows. You're right. Like, come on.

Kelli (17:25.506)
You're just fame hungry. That's all you are.

Wendy (17:28.098)
That's what I think. That's exactly what I think.

Kelli (17:30.146)
Absolutely. And you want to be over the top on this show because then you'll get cast on another show.

Wendy (17:32.726)
Michael thinks that he...

Yeah, exactly. Because that's what happens. Michael thinks it's either Colton, Rob, or Steven. Because Michael calls those three the hunks.

Kelli (17:40.929)
Yep.

Kelli (17:55.917)
Well, I agree with Stephen and Rob, but I'm not into Colton. Whether he was... Right. Whether he was gay at the time or not.

Wendy (18:00.206)
as a hunk you mean? Yeah. The Traders get up to the turret, it's the end of the show, and Candace feels bad because she knows Tiffany needed the money. But listen, mean, they don't control that. The Traders don't control that.

Kelli (18:18.818)
Right, right.

Wendy (18:21.964)
It's funny, because I feel like these episodes go so fast that I was surprised that there was two, but I liked that there was two because I feel like we need to know what happens.

Kelli (18:33.952)
I totally agree with you. At the end of the fifth episode, I'm like, there was something we don't find out yet. I know we'll get there. But I was like, my God, I just want to know that answer to that. So it's almost nice when you can binge it all at once. listen, we're old school, we're Gen X, we get it. We got to wait until next week to find out what's going to happen. But I do like that they drop two at a time.

Wendy (18:43.393)
Right. Right.

Right. I know.

Wendy (18:57.027)
Yep.

Yep. But we dig. I do too.

Kelli (19:03.008)
But now they're not, you now they're back to one a week and that's it. Yeah. I, yeah, cause I looked up the schedule cause I was just curious to see like how many episodes there were. Cause I actually really am enjoying this show. So, it says January 15th, episodes four and five. And then every week after that, it's once a week. Yeah. Yeah. Once a week. And then the finale, the finale and the reunion will both drop on February 26th.

Wendy (19:06.713)
didn't know that. Are you sure?

Wendy (19:33.618)
okay. All right. That's good to know.

Kelli (19:34.368)
Yeah, so, yeah. Which I'm glad we're getting the reunion the same day as the finale. think that's great.

Wendy (19:43.874)
Yes, I do too. I do too. So that's how they always did Survivor when I used to watch Survivor. They would do the reunion and well they do the finale and then right afterwards they would you know have everyone there on stage with them.

Kelli (19:49.407)
Okay.

Kelli (19:57.601)
Yeah. Nice.

Wendy (20:00.226)
So this episode is called, If You're Gonna Come For Me, I'll Finish You.

Wendy (20:07.82)
I don't know, I don't love these titles to be honest with you.

Kelli (20:11.168)
I don't like that one, I think that's very silly. Cutting the head off the snake actually would have made great sense if what Will thought was gonna happen happened. Other than that, don't know. Nothing had anything to do with snakes.

Wendy (20:13.997)
Yeah.

Wendy (20:20.686)
Right. it didn't. It didn't.

Kelli (20:27.446)
Yeah. And this, this title is no good, no bueno.

Wendy (20:32.493)
No, oh, and by the way, I had to watch this one without him. I can't tell him, so I'm gonna have to watch it again and pretend like I didn't see it. Because he went out last night and I had to watch it before we did this and he was still in bed sleeping. like, I gotta watch it, I'll watch it again. I know, right? So the next morning, Eric is talking about how he feels so bad about getting Tiffany banished.

Kelli (20:37.826)
it's so-

Kelli (20:44.96)
Yeah. Yeah. to be young again.

Wendy (21:00.108)
That's what they're all talking about in the morning, how bad they feel for Tiffany. Durenda?

Kelli (21:04.588)
Honestly, I didn't see Colton feel bad. And I know it was ultimately Eric who solidified it, like you said, but Colton's the one who put her name out there to begin with.

Wendy (21:08.3)
I know. I know.

Wendy (21:17.858)
Yep. Yep, he is the mastermind at this point.

Kelli (21:21.548)
He totally is. They're gonna have to get rid of them.

Wendy (21:25.644)
Yeah, which I haven't thought about that, but we can't talk about it now until the end. So then Dorinda is saying how Ron has not spent any time, he won't get to know us. like, probably, know, she's like, he doesn't probably know anything about me, you know? And then he pulls out all this information and gets Portia banished. And she's so right. When she called him out and he like went off on her, like, don't, you don't, like, you don't have to know about my effing family.

Kelli (21:30.53)
Right, till the end.

Kelli (21:52.47)
I don't watch those shows. I don't know who you are. Yeah.

Wendy (21:55.286)
Right. It's none of your effing business. Like what? Like I did not like that. And why didn't anyone jump on him?

Kelli (21:58.851)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (22:03.872)
Like they did Michael, I was thinking the same thing afterwards. Like he was pretty ruthless in the things he was saying, yeah.

Wendy (22:07.363)
Yep.

Aggressive, aggressive. Yeah, I thought so too. I thought so too.

Kelli (22:14.21)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (22:16.142)
Next comes in Michael Jam Jam and Ron and Ron notes that no one is happy to see him. And it's true, nobody was happy to see him.

Kelli (22:25.984)
No. was a very mild applause. Yep. Somebody said, of course, when they saw him walk in, I forget who it was. what's her name? I think she was a gamer. why am I forgetting her name? I could picture her, but I can't think of her name. I think it was her.

Wendy (22:28.578)
But yet he's still there. Yep.

Wendy (22:36.608)
Yes, somebody did say that.

Wendy (22:42.274)
was

Wendy (22:53.186)
Well, at this breakfast, it comes out that Colton was on The Bachelor while he was still gay and he hadn't come out yet. And Dorinda says, I missed that window and I would have liked to be a part of that. And Colton's like, well, you dodged a bullet, which I thought was kind of funny. I mean, I thought it was funny for Dorinda actually to be like, I would have liked a piece of that.

Kelli (23:00.641)
Right.

Kelli (23:12.002)
It's very funny and that was very funny

Kelli (23:19.422)
I know, she's like so much older than him. But hey, whatever.

Wendy (23:22.732)
I know. You're right. And then they find out that Monet was killed. And it's because Monet suspected Lisa. Like they had to kill Monet because they had to protect the traitor.

Wendy (23:41.93)
Next, they go outside for the next mission. This mission is they go out to the fountain. The fountain is filled with red water, I guess it's supposed to look like blood. And there's eight statues missing from around the fountain. And their task is to go in the fountain and find the coin that tells them where the statue is, to go out and get the statue and bring it back and put it in its rightful place.

Kelli (23:53.856)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (24:10.7)
And then once all eight statues are in the place, then they have to spin the wheel and get the fountain working again. And they have 30 minutes to complete this and they will get...

Kelli (24:19.692)
Like that does not sound like enough time. Eight of them? And when they do the aerial view, it looks like they're going so far away. I it would take me a half hour to walk to one of the statues.

Wendy (24:22.174)
No, it doesn't. Eight of them.

Wendy (24:28.334)
It's huge! I know, I know, it does.

Wendy (24:36.694)
I know. I know, that's what I think too. And then they're gonna get $60,000 to the prize pot. But this is an all or nothing challenge. And the other thing is, the other twist is, when they find the statues, there will be a shield by the statues. And if you elect to take a shield to shield yourself, then you will be shielded. But if nobody takes any of the shields, then there will be no killing that night.

And they're going to split them, they split themselves up in teams of four again, in groups of four. Lisa and Candace are together again. Exactly, exactly. So they're all talking about it, that we're not gonna take the shield. We're not gonna take the shield because we don't want anyone killed. And obviously in the confessional, the traders are like, we need to kill somebody, because we need to get rid of somebody. This is the game that we're playing.

Kelli (25:13.216)
and Lisa and Candace are together again.

Wendy (25:36.748)
Right? It's funny watching them in the fountain, because I didn't realize this, but there was other coins in the fountain too. It wasn't just the ones that had the information. There was just other fake coins in there. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and at first, Candice wasn't in the fountain. She was like one of the last ones to go in. And then I'm watching Lisa Rinna in the fountain, and she's literally on all fours in the fountain looking for the coins.

Kelli (25:47.691)
how annoying.

Kelli (26:04.769)
Right.

Wendy (26:08.16)
The first group to find a coin is Tara, Kristen, Rob, and Maura. And the next one is Mark Ballas' team, and then Michael Rappaport's team. When they get out there and they get to their statues, they all grab their statue and they look underneath and there's one shield and they're like, nope, we're not taking the shield. We're not taking the shields. It seems like Colton's team got

I think one team got three statues.

Kelli (26:42.998)
That it wasn't Candace and Lisa on Colton's team.

Wendy (26:48.769)
Yes.

Yes, I think that that team got three statues and the other teams, that means, because since there was eight and there was four teams, that means one team only got one statue. I think it might've been Michael Rapoport's team. And honestly, he had Johnny, Natalie and Dorinda. I mean, it probably was his team.

Kelli (27:12.62)
Listen, John, I'm not picking Johnny for my team. I'm sorry. That skull challenge. mean, he looked like a deer in a headlight the whole time.

Wendy (27:16.142)
Not either. He was so bad.

I know, I know. It's so true. And it's funny because I think, I don't think Tara's been on his team once and she's besties with him. And I think she knows better.

Kelli (27:26.54)
Yeah, I'm not picking him on my team.

Kelli (27:33.824)
I think she knows better too.

Kelli (27:38.889)
Absolutely.

Wendy (27:40.952)
So they get back, two statues are back, only two, and there's 16 minutes to go. And I'm like, my gosh, they have six more to get. And 14 minutes, right? Then the next countdown is there's four statues in place and there's 10 minutes to find the last four. I'm like, okay. They're having a hard time finding the last coin. Then they have to.

Kelli (27:51.106)
That's what I mean. This is craziness.

Wendy (28:09.334)
Like they finally get it and they have to run. then Colton is discussing with Mark Ballas, who is up ahead of Lisa and Candice as they're going to get the last statue. Like maybe we should, maybe we should like take a shield. Like maybe this is something we should do. But Candice and Lisa aren't with them. So they don't hear this conversation. So when they get to the statue and they pick up the statue, they're the first team to see that there's actually four shields there.

Kelli (28:37.922)
Under that statue, yeah.

Wendy (28:39.37)
under that statue and they're talking about it like maybe you know that's four of us that would be safe which it that's something to consider that's definitely something.

Kelli (28:45.74)
Bye.

Kelli (28:49.344)
It's an interesting twist to the whole shield thing, for sure.

Wendy (28:52.94)
It is, it is. And then the next team.

no, it actually was Michael. The next team that gets it is Michael, Dorinda, Johnny and Natalie. That's the other team that gets to the last statue and also finds four shields. So now we know that there's 16 players, because there's four teams of four, and now there's eight shields. That would be half of them. That would be half of them if they both took them. Or nobody gets killed.

We don't know what's going to happen. They get back with five seconds to spare. Everything goes off. The pot's $106,000 now. They win the 60 grand.

Kelli (29:29.952)
don't know.

Wendy (29:40.672)
Alan said, I'm not going to reveal if any shields have been taken, which I thought, OK.

Kelli (29:47.137)
Well, I was thinking that I'm like, okay, well, if you find out a shield, cause they had to have a round table. So if you found out somebody took a shield, I mean, they're going to get voted off in a round table. Right. Cause it didn't save them from that. It saved them from murder. So he couldn't tell them yet.

Wendy (29:52.429)
Right.

Wendy (29:57.612)
Right.

Wendy (30:01.076)
No, it didn't. Right, now from banishment. Right. Exactly. So when they get back to the...

Kelli (30:10.252)
But what doesn't make sense is that after the roundtable, I won't say anything about it, but he says, I'm not telling you who took a shield until breakfast. But technically there should have been a murder that night, right? Because they've done banishments and murder in the same night.

Wendy (30:23.754)
If right.

Wendy (30:31.35)
Yes, well, they did go up to the turret. when they're in the turret, cause after it, when they're in the turret, the three of them are like, well, we know who we need to vote out. It needs to be Colton. But they don't even know if they can vote out yet. So that's what we're going to find out tomorrow. But I think, well, the next episode, not tomorrow, but what I think is because we don't know and we know, cause they've never told us who they are voting out in the turret. never knew. But because

Kelli (30:33.643)
Right.

Kelli (30:48.565)
Next. Okay.

Kelli (30:59.988)
No, we didn't ever now.

Wendy (31:01.772)
Because Colton is going so hard for Lisa, they said we have to get Colton out. So the fact that we know that they have to get Colton out means that, no, they're not going to be able to kill because Colton is still going to be there. They're not. That's what I think. That's my guess based on how, you know, they've been showing us and what they've been unveiling. The fact that they told us who they're going to kill. It's not going to happen. Because then like

Kelli (31:07.724)
Yeah.

Kelli (31:14.838)
Yeah, you're right.

Wendy (31:31.264)
there's not going to be a surprise. The surprise is going to be that they didn't kill anybody.

Kelli (31:34.849)
Right.

Wendy (31:36.846)
All right, now we jump to the end. got to go back to the round table. That's okay. No, it's all right. But before that happens, Colton goes on his quest and he's saying that he thinks it's Michael or Ron and he's being very vocal about it. And I thought, wow, that's very bold. In the meantime, in another room, Ron sits down with Dorinda and Steven and Steven and Dorinda are talking and Dorinda is like, hi, how are you?

Kelli (31:40.374)
Yeah, sorry.

Wendy (32:07.066)
And he just came out and said, well, I think that you're a traitor and Michael's a traitor. And Jorinda's like, wait, what are you talking about? Yeah, Ron, Ron said that.

Kelli (32:15.01)
Ron said that. Right.

Wendy (32:21.686)
And while they're in the kitchen talking about it, then Michael comes in and sits down while they're saying that they think it's Michael. And Michael's like, well, I predict that if no one gets killed tonight, the next morning when Alan comes in, he's going to say, because the traitors didn't get blood last night, there's going to be two killed tonight, which actually still could happen, by the way. Right?

Kelli (32:46.114)
Totally could happen. It could totally happen. Yep.

Wendy (32:50.455)
then Colton says, have a question. Does Alan stay in the same outfit when he goes up to the turret? And Michael starts laughing, which I thought was an appropriate response to be quite honest with you.

Kelli (33:02.37)
Yeah, because he knows what he's doing or trying to do.

Wendy (33:04.662)
Right, right. And then Jam Jam and Natalie like jump all over him, like, like just answer him. Like, why are they jumping? Like, what did they think he should have done? And Natalie saying that he's getting flustered. I didn't think he was getting flustered.

Kelli (33:14.944)
Right. Right.

Kelli (33:20.961)
Not at all.

Wendy (33:23.458)
But you know what, maybe it's because we know Michael Rappaport.

Kelli (33:27.084)
That's what I was thinking, because Tess was sitting there, she's like, why is he getting like that? I'm like, that's just who he is. Like, he gets very passionate.

Wendy (33:35.488)
Yeah. He- I mean-

Kelli (33:36.35)
Yeah, but she thought like he was very over the top. He got to that level, but he wasn't at that level when they were saying he was at that level.

Wendy (33:41.768)
we definitely did.

Right. I mean, he even does admit that he knows who he is and he's self-aware and he knows that he's a lot. And again, because we are Housewife fans and we know him as a Housewife fan, we know who he is. They don't. And I could see where they would see him. Listen, it makes more sense if you look at it through their eyes, right?

Kelli (33:59.447)
Right. Right.

Kelli (34:08.129)
Yeah.

Wendy (34:11.51)
Michael brings up about how he was the ringleader getting Tiffany out and you that you like you took your shot and you missed and you know if you come for me tonight like you know you're gonna mess yourself up because I'm gonna be coming back for you and that you need to be more humble and Colton says well that's the difference between you and I when I take my shot and I miss I shoot again which again is really very cocky.

Kelli (34:35.788)
So cocky. I don't like him at all. I just don't.

Wendy (34:39.446)
No, I really don't either. I don't either.

And then when Michael goes into the other room and starts telling them what happened, I don't know if you noticed, but Kristen gets up and walks out, Mark gets up and walks out, Eric gets up and walks out, and they pass Jam Jam. Yeah, I'm like, they do not like his energy. Like they just...

Kelli (34:56.066)
You did notice that.

Wendy (35:03.79)
She just got up and walked out. I was like, ooh. And I don't even think he noticed it, to be honest with you. I think he was so involved in.

Kelli (35:08.288)
I don't think he did either. Yeah, yeah, I don't think he was aware of the mass exit. Or thought enough of it.

Wendy (35:16.906)
Right, right. But he didn't give up because then he went back in the kitchen again. Started yelling again. I was like, no.

Kelli (35:23.573)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (35:28.268)
But he did cut like he did like like they what they said like you're either the worst trader or an even worse faithful because he doesn't shut up. He's so disruptive. Yeah.

Wendy (35:38.156)
He's disruptive. Right, he's disruptive. That's what it was. And honestly, that's even when he was finally voted out. Nobody was upset finding out that he was a faithful and he was voted out because they were just happy to have him gone because he was that disruptive.

Kelli (35:54.293)
Exactly, and they basically all said that like we don't even care what he is at this point. We just want him out of the castle So he did do it to himself

Wendy (36:02.752)
No, he did. He definitely did. I just thought it was hysterical when they get in there. And again, I like that Candace did this. She was the first one just to speak. I always write down who's the first one to speak in those round tables, because I think it's important. think whoever speaks first, I think it's important, because you could be putting a target on yourself. you know what I mean? You could just sit back and wait, which is what Lisa does. Lisa doesn't talk in these round tables, which is a problem.

Kelli (36:25.111)
Great.

No, at all, ever, yeah.

Wendy (36:31.436)
Like, let's address what was going on in the kitchen, which I thought was the perfect thing to bring up. And Michael keeps saying, you know, he was conniving, colluding, commiserating, and he just kept saying that. And then Rob, all of a sudden, is like, commiserating. Like, you're using it wrong. It means you feel sorry for them. And I'm just like, my God.

Kelli (36:55.222)
He's like, no, it doesn't. He's like, yes, it does. God, that was bothering me.

Wendy (36:59.278)
Yeah, that was so funny. I was like, go Rob, like go Rob.

Kelli (37:02.486)
That was great. That was great. Yeah.

Wendy (37:12.022)
And then he says, know, Michael keeps saying that, you know, he was responsible and chirping and putting, you know, chirping in everyone's ear about Tiffany. And now he's doing the same to me. He's like, I'm angry, I'm pissed off, I'm isolated because of him. And nobody would be better at holding a secret than you. And Colton said, there it is. You think it was fun?

for 29 years of my life. Michael said, no, no, like, I think you came into this game loving the idea of being a traitor. Colton said, you said because I held a secret for 29 years. Michael's like, I didn't say you held a secret. And he didn't, he did not say. He didn't say, he did not say he held a secret. And Colton said, no, we didn't see, right? I mean, if they edited it out, but we did not see that. And then Colton said, well, you insinuated it. Michael said, you're a traitor, which is.

Kelli (37:52.78)
He didn't say it. He did not say that.

Nothing we saw.

Wendy (38:08.056)
what the name of the game is. And then Johnny jumped in and said, well, you can't blame somebody being forced into a closet for the majority of their life. And Michael's like, I'm not talking about closets. And Johnny said, that's what we, well, I took it as. So Johnny put it on himself. First he said we, but you know, then he said I.

Kelli (38:25.698)
Right. Right.

Wendy (38:30.786)
And then Candice said to Michael, like, what did you mean? Maybe you should clarify that. And he said, well, his behavior is of a traitor. His behavior is secretive. It's conniving. It's chirping. It's commiserating. It's cowardly. And more is like very low blow.

And Michael said, listen, I apologize. Like if you took it that way, that is not how I meant it. That's not how it was intended.

Wendy (39:04.888)
Colton says, okay, well, what I would like to say is I made a mistake and I own that. More people started to affirm my thoughts about Tiffany and that gave me more confidence, which is what happened, I think, when Eric, you know, affirmed. Right. And I rallied the troops and I unified them to get on the same page. And Michael said, well, yeah, like you're trying to do tonight, which I agree that that's what was happening.

Kelli (39:19.567)
yeah. Yes, yes, yeah.

Kelli (39:30.326)
Yes.

Wendy (39:33.858)
Listen, I give Michael a lot of credit for fighting the fight. Colton did what he had

Kelli (39:38.433)
It's surprising that Colton got everyone to agree with him. Even Maura, like, why didn't she vote for Ron? She heard him yell her name or say, let's, you know, when they were doing the one thing, right? Stick in the, he said Maura and she said it to him. She was, you know, she said something to him, but then she voted for Michael anyway. That was very surprising.

Wendy (39:52.332)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (40:05.612)
But Colton failed the night before by getting Tiffany out who was a faithful. So it's very interesting that he talked them all into Michael again.

Wendy (40:16.683)
Yeah, and then Colton did bring up another point. He said, the four people that wrote Michael's name down, there's only one left here, and that's Jam Jam. So it was Ron C. It was Monet. And it was, who was the other one?

Kelli (40:39.382)
Ian?

Wendy (40:42.176)
Yes, Ian, yes, those are the ones that wrote his name down and Jam Jam and Jam is the only one that's still there. like that is, that's a, listen, I would consider that evidence. I would consider that real evidence, but then Ron says, well, you know, I think it's Michael and Dorinda. And Dorinda's like, well, I think you're a housewife, Hunter. I was like, I don't even know, I don't even know who you are. I don't know what that is. Yeah. And she said,

Kelli (41:07.852)
that's right. That's when he said it. I don't watch your shows. I don't know who you are.

Wendy (41:11.734)
Right. And Julie said, well, I've tried to get to know you and, you know, know your family. I asked where you live. said, I don't care about you. You don't need to know about my family. It's none of your effing business.

I was like, okay, well that was not necessary. I mean, seriously, that wasn't necessary.

Kelli (41:26.848)
Right. Yeah.

Mm-mm.

Wendy (41:32.736)
And Candice said, I'm gonna tell you where I stand. I still think that you are the traitor, Ron. I was glad that, you know, Candice said that.

Kelli (41:38.71)
Well, she's playing it very safe. She's playing it very safe because she's being consistent. Which, which is not going to make anybody think she's a traitor.

Wendy (41:44.78)
She is being consistent.

Wendy (41:49.344)
Right, right. And she's speaking up.

Kelli (41:52.874)
Right. Right.

Wendy (41:54.828)
which, you know, is important.

Wendy (42:02.41)
Natalie and Jam Jam are believing Colton. Eric said, if you are a faithful, you're the most distracting faithful, which is so true.

Kelli (42:11.294)
It is that that was the problem. He just couldn't keep his mouth shut.

Wendy (42:15.288)
Then they, I know. Then Michael said to Eric, the man with the magic ears. And everyone was offended by that too. Why? Like why? I I think it's funny, but like all of sudden, like now you're insulting him? Like, are you kidding me?

Kelli (42:22.626)
I

thought it was great!

Kelli (42:30.594)
Yeah, but see, this is the problem. if you're gonna, if that's going to offend you, seriously, get off the show.

Wendy (42:38.784)
Right, right. So as soon as that, was like, Michael's fate is gone. You know, he's done. the only, so who didn't vote for Michael? Lisa voted for Ron. Candice voted for Ron. Dorinda voted for Ron. Michael voted for Ron. Steven voted for Ron. Everyone else voted for Michael.

Kelli (42:44.128)
Yep. He's done.

Kelli (43:00.908)
So it was close, it wasn't like a landslide.

Wendy (43:04.16)
It wasn't, I mean it was Ron and Michael, so you would think that the next person to be banished would be Ron.

but we'll have to wait and see.

Kelli (43:14.998)
I would think so, but listen, let's see. They're gonna have to do a murder before they do a round table if he's gonna tell us who has shields.

Wendy (43:27.47)
Can you hold on one second, I have to cough. I just got a tickle. I do, but it's alcohol. don't know if it's gonna help.

Kelli (43:33.826)
You have a drink?

Kelli (43:40.14)
Better try it anyway. Exactly.

Wendy (43:41.742)
can't hurt. All right. Sorry.

Kelli (43:48.739)
That's so funny. So they're gonna have to do a murder before a roundtable if he's gonna tell them who has a shield. Because if he tells them who has a shield, everybody's gonna vote them out, unless the shield protects them from a banishment and a murder. But they didn't say that.

Wendy (43:50.55)
Okay, what were we saying?

Wendy (44:02.072)
Well, there's gonna

Wendy (44:09.076)
No, so what's going to happen is the next morning at breakfast, they're going to find out that nobody was murdered. Because that's what I think happened. I don't think anyone was murdered. And everyone's going to show up at breakfast. So then they're going to go do... I don't think anyone took a shield.

Kelli (44:23.99)
So you don't think anybody took a shield.

Okay, got it. the traders tonight at the turret, where we saw them last, they're gonna find out then if somebody took a shield or not. Got it. Okay, that makes sense, because I couldn't figure it out in my head. I'm like, how are they gonna do this? How are they gonna proceed? That makes sense.

Wendy (44:29.601)
I don't think anyone took a Shields.

Wendy (44:37.654)
Yes.

Yes.

Wendy (44:48.878)
I mean, they're probably gonna find out before breakfast, but we're not gonna find out until breakfast. And then they're gonna show us when they told the traitors that nobody took a shield afterwards. So they're gonna go to breakfast, they're gonna find out that nobody was murdered, then they're gonna go on their mission, then they're gonna come, unless Alan does, because Alan could say two people are gonna be murdered tonight, like Michael predicted, which I think is a good prediction that could possibly happen.

Kelli (44:53.322)
right.

Right. Right.

Kelli (45:09.858)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (45:14.582)
Definitely.

Wendy (45:14.636)
And I think it would be great if it happened and they weren't doing it and they did it after Michael suggested it. I think that's even better, to be honest with you.

Kelli (45:22.112)
Yes, totally. Yeah.

Wendy (45:24.524)
Right? And then they're gonna go out on their mission and then they're gonna come back from banishment. And well, if it's not Ron, I don't know what he has done or what somebody else is gonna have done to change it so much now that Michael's gone.

Kelli (45:40.3)
Well, I think it's gonna be Colton or Ron.

Wendy (45:44.398)
It could be Colton or Ron.

Kelli (45:44.512)
I think the traders are gonna have to work very smart and hard to get them to vote Colton out, because they can't.

Wendy (45:53.11)
I don't think they should though. They've always said Ron, I think they need to stick with Ron and they can still murder Colton. If they get rid of Ron, they can still murder Colton.

Kelli (45:57.152)
Well, you're right.

Kelli (46:02.018)
But if they murder Colton, it's going to put a target on Lisa. Because everybody now at the end heard him say, I think Lisa's a traitor. She's not talking. She's not being over the top like Lisa Rinna should be. And Dorinda, her friend, who was like, yeah, it's odd that she's not saying much. So I think if they murder Colton, people are going to get wise to it being Lisa.

I think they're probably more smart, but you're right. They should probably be consistent and stick with Ron.

Wendy (46:31.234)
We'll have to stay.

Kelli (46:41.1)
They're gonna try to, either way they should try to get him banished, but I don't, you know, doesn't seem like an easy task. people seem to listen to him even though he's been wrong twice.

Wendy (46:52.182)
I know. Listen, I'm looking forward to see what happens. I do enjoy this show.

Kelli (46:56.16)
Yeah. Yeah, me too. I love it.

Wendy (46:59.402)
Yeah. So I guess until... Yes. Yeah, she's not feeling well. Yes, Lori's not feeling well. I mean, I'll be honest with you, she doesn't really love traitors anyway, but that's okay. She was still gonna do it.

Kelli (47:01.328)
by the way, Lori's not with us tonight because she's sick. We forgot to say that at beginning, yeah.

Kelli (47:11.255)
Nice.

I think she's growing to love it. Tess was watching this one with me a little bit when she came home from work. She's like, I think I'm gonna watch this. I said, yeah, get caught up. And then we can watch it week to week together. So we'll see.

Wendy (47:22.626)
Yeah.

Wendy (47:27.638)
Yeah. Until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye.

Kelli (47:34.113)
Bye!