Summer House Finale & In The City Premiere: Breakups, Bombshells & New Beginnings 💔🏙️

Kelli (00:01.717)
Hi, welcome to We Want Whenever, I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:04.758)
I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:06.369)
Tonight we're going to talk about summer house season 10 season finale and then we're going to talk about the in the city But we're just going to do like a broad overview. We're not going to like totally recap But I just want to Preface this episode with I think Kyle cook is a douchebag. I think Kyle cook has always been a douchebag I think he was a terrible boyfriend fiance husband the whole thing I have no problem with the fact that Amanda has finally after 10 years moved on

I think the only reason she did in prior is because she wanted to stay on the show. However, I think her moving on with West is whack. So I just wanted to get that out.

Wendy (00:47.246)
Okay, wait, well now I need to preface it. I do not think Kyle Cook is a douchebag. I do not think, listen, I think Kyle Cook is a man child. I don't think he was a good husband. I don't think he was a good boyfriend. I don't think there's any malice in his heart. I think he absolutely loves Amanda, as sad as that is. I don't think he knows how to be a good husband at this point in his life.

And at 43 years old, I think for his age and the life he has lived, he looks fabulous and I don't know how that is.

Kelli (01:23.809)
I agree with that, because he's a heavy partier. mean, Andy asks him on the reunion, because somebody says, like, how do you stay so youthful? And he does say that he uses the products that are sent to him. He has to get Botox. He must get Botox. I mean, if he doesn't, that's some good filters on the camera, because he does look ridiculously young. I mean, he's in his 40s.

Wendy (01:38.658)
I saw that. I don't think he does. I don't know. I don't know. I just think I don't know.

Wendy (01:50.432)
or good genes. It could be genetics. It could be good genetics. Like sometimes it's genetic. I don't know. That's my take on Kyle.

Kelli (01:52.051)
Maybe good jeans, maybe good jeans.

Kelli (01:57.514)
Yeah.

Kelli (02:00.895)
Yeah. So the episode begins with the party and Kyle tells Sierra that he thinks it's the best party she's ever thrown.

Wendy (02:09.955)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (02:10.847)
Which I kind of agree, I thought it was really good. You know, they talk about him and Amanda a little bit. And she says, like, nobody's rooting for you guys to divorce, but it's hard watching them the way they are, and I agree with it. One of the biggest things of the episode was Lindsay asking Carl to sit down and talk. And listen, I'm not the biggest Lindsay fan either, which I said to Wendy earlier, it's funny because I very much enjoyed In the City.

I don't like Kyle. I don't really like Lindsay. And now I don't like Amanda because of what she did. So, but I do think In the City is a good show. I think it's going to do well. But you know, you hear Lindsay say to Carl that when his mom came up to her at Soft Bar, she didn't really know how to react because we find out it always comes back to Sheena Shay. His mom was tearing it up and...

Wendy (03:06.238)
How crazy is that?

Kelli (03:07.763)
I know in Mexico with Sheena the weekend of their wedding that that was supposed to be. And she said like, she's like dancing on the grave of our wedding. I actually don't blame her here. I do feel like that was a bit insensitive. I had a broken engagement. Wedding was planned November 5th. Like I was not out tearing it up that weekend. I mean, he might've been. I don't think his mom was. I could tell you that.

Wendy (03:19.362)
Right. their relationship. Yeah.

Kelli (03:37.205)
Like it was a somber, cause we called it off four months before. was a bit of, it was still somber. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like that's quick for her to be out there hanging with Sheena Shnei.

Wendy (03:42.177)
Not six weeks.

Wendy (03:48.022)
Well, I was listening to Ryan Bailey, who was talking about this, and he's absolutely right. So he has somebody else on. The fact of the matter is it was a destination wedding, and everyone had already paid for their tickets. They were non-refundable. Kyle was there. It was a destination wedding. It was a destination wedding.

Kelli (04:08.794)
so she was there? Ohhhh

Wendy (04:14.446)
People had already paid for these tickets. They were non-refundable. There was other people there, but the media grabbed onto Sheena Shay and Carl's mom. Other people were there too. So.

Kelli (04:25.537)
so, so they basically all went, but see that's kind of even more shittier for Lindsay. She's the one that she's not the one that wanted to call it off. So she gets screwed out of the wedding and then everybody else is going and partying what on what would have been her wedding. So Kyle was there too.

Wendy (04:46.35)
Right. And I get her. Right. Yeah, that's what he said. And I get it. I so get how she feels that way because she said like it was a big public humiliation next to when you broke up with me on camera. And I totally get that. But I also get the fact that all of these people already paid to go there for a non-refundable trip. So.

Kelli (04:52.575)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (05:06.047)
Yes. Yeah, and some people don't get travel insurance and then you're stuck.

Wendy (05:10.63)
Right. So you're going to go. And the fact that the media, it was the media that, you know, it wasn't Carl's mom that put this out there, but it still hurt Lindsay. I so get that. I so get that. And I also want to say, I don't, I don't dislike Lindsay. What I like about the summer house is I like watching these people evolve. I have watched it from the beginning as you have. Carl.

Kelli (05:16.8)
Yeah.

Right.

I do too, and-

Wendy (05:39.342)
Kyle and Lindsay and Amanda have been on it since the beginning. Amanda was not an original cast member, but she's been on it since the beginning. I like watching these people evolve as humans and to grow. And like Carl said to Lindsay, he wouldn't be the man he is today without her. And I think that that is true. And I love the fact that, know, Lindsay said, you know, how many sandwiches have you made me?

Kelli (05:43.777)
Mm-hmm.

She was there the first summer though.

Kelli (06:00.98)
Absolutely.

Wendy (06:08.906)
I love the fact that Lindsay had her timeline of what she wanted to happen and when she wanted to happen. And Lindsay was very driven and still is very driven to this day. I like to see the evolvement and the development of these people as people. I like it.

Kelli (06:25.829)
And her saying to him, like, I thought our friendship went beyond the show where you would come to me. I mean, that was bad that he did that to her on the show. And I honestly, I'm probably gonna get some flack for this, but I think Kyle encouraged him to do it on the show. Remember they had that breakfast or lunch prior to Carl going to speak with Lindsay?

I think if it were up to Carl, he would not have done that on the show. I just think he's better than that. And I don't blame Lindsay for feeling that way about that. I mean, publicly humiliating.

Wendy (07:04.92)
So, yeah.

So Ryan Bailey was talking about this and he said that he thinks that, because Kyle's always maintained that the reason they were having the conversation is because he wanted to work things out, that he didn't plan on breaking up with her. That's what Carl has always maintained. That's why they were having, and that's why the cameras were there. Ryan Bailey was saying that there's no way that's the reason, because of the way production is. You don't contact production unless it's gonna be something good.

Kelli (07:23.21)
Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Wendy (07:38.656)
and to have a conversation to get the crew back up. Because they brought the crew back up. It wasn't like they were done filming. They had wrapped. And it may have very well been Kyle that encouraged that.

Kelli (07:51.586)
I think it was. I really truly think it was. I think Kyle was doing whatever he had to do to salvage the show. Cause I do think the show lost a little bit of luster over the years because they're aging. Like nobody wants to see us in the Amptons. Let's face it. And I think that Kyle would have gone to great lengths even at the expense of Lindsay and Carl's relationship. But listen, it is what it is. And like you said, we've seen them both. Carl?

Wendy (08:05.654)
Yeah. No, no.

Kelli (08:20.423)
I would watch a show with just Carl on it, but that's me. Cause I don't like the nastiness and the fighting and the caddy and that's not why I watch these shows. I'm a little disappointed that Carl isn't on In the City.

Wendy (08:33.312)
Me too, I wanted to say that too. And like you said, like Carl wasn't a good guy in the beginning. Carl was an F boy. Carl was an F boy, but I, right, I love Carl now. Yeah, I love Carl now too. And I'm also very disappointed that he's not on In the City. And I'm hoping that maybe next season we will see him on In the City. But the only thing I'm thinking is, because Softbar is in Brooklyn, does he live in Brooklyn also?

Kelli (08:38.675)
No, not at all. Right, the workers twins are, you know, throwing a watermelon. Yes.

Kelli (09:00.865)
Yeah, he lives in Brooklyn and that was the only thing I was thinking. Maybe that's the reason he's not on it, because he does live in Brooklyn, but so did Alex McCord. She lived in Brooklyn and she was on the first season of Rooney, so I don't

Wendy (09:11.382)
I know. I know.

I know, and you know what a big thing that is for these Manhattaners? Like, if you live in Brooklyn, you live in another country.

Kelli (09:18.953)
I mean, we saw how Miranda Hobbs reacted when Steve even mentioned Brooklyn. But that was a nice conversation between Carl and Lindsay. They seem like they're in a great place. All the while, Kyle is trying to talk to Amanda. But here's the thing. Every time they show Kyle trying to talk to Amanda, and she's like, no, no, no, I gotta go. My friends are calling me, blah, blah, blah.

Wendy (09:29.698)
Yes, yes.

Kelli (09:48.074)
He's obviously drunk, he's slurring his words, he's swaying back and forth. Listen, if you didn't know Amanda was checked out at this point, you gotta check yourself, because she is checked out. And with him being drunk like that, she says he'll apologize, but the behavior never changes, and that's right. Like when he's...

He's either one of two ways when he's drunk, right? He's saying F you to her face at a dinner table with all their friends, because he's getting heat for being the douchebag that he's been for 10 years. Or he's like, schmoopy schmoopy climbing in bed trying to hug her because he's drunk and he's feeling a certain way. Like, ew. He gives me the ick. I can't even imagine being married to him. He's just, you know, she's checked out. She's done.

And then Kyle's telling Ben and Sabrina, like he's playing victim. My wife doesn't even wanna talk to me. No, look at you, look at yourself. Like get it together.

Wendy (10:58.924)
Yeah, he's, I mean, I think at this point, he's too far gone in the whole relationship and in his whole, he's already trashed, like you said, he's already inebriated, he's already trashed. One of the things that also came up on the Ryan Bailey recap, and I mentioned this to you, so the ski apri, like that's what this was, right?

Kelli (11:04.296)
Absolutely.

Kelli (11:10.817)
Totally. Right.

Kelli (11:25.153)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (11:26.092)
He alludes to the snow actually being coke, right? I will say this, no, not Kyle. Because Carl has said, and Kyle has said, Kyle has never done drugs, doesn't do drugs, Kyle only drinks. But, yeah, so Kyle does not do drugs, Carl has verified that. Like he does, that Kyle doesn't, yeah.

Kelli (11:33.643)
Kyle?

Kelli (11:44.439)
real? I did not know that.

Kelli (11:51.313)
wow, that's interesting. I didn't know that.

Wendy (11:54.862)
Carl has verified that. But West, like I said to you earlier, West and Coke is a thing because I'm gonna jump to the end because we're just kind of quickly recapping this. When we see Ciara and West at four o'clock in the morning, like I'm thinking to myself, like how the hell are you still up and partying? Well, the way West is still up and partying is because he does Coke.

Kelli (12:00.512)
Yes, we've had this conversation.

Kelli (12:09.183)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're just, yeah, go for it.

Wendy (12:25.09)
But Kyle rolls in, Kyle doesn't do coke, right? Kyle rolls in because I'm telling you, he's like some sort of fountain of youth. That's why I said to you, like, I really like Kyle. I don't know how he does what he does. I don't know how he parties like he does. And I don't know how he physically does it at his age, to be quite honest with you, I don't.

Kelli (12:46.633)
But that's the thing like he's trying this is why I have I give Kyle no grace I have no sympathy for Kyle you're telling this woman that you're you want to work things out and You feel she doesn't even want to talk to you She goes to bed and you go out and roll up at 530 a.m Get the F out of here. You don't want to change anything. You don't want to fix anything you just want her to stay with you because

Wendy (12:55.565)
I know!

Kelli (13:16.191)
You don't wanna be alone. You're not trying to fix anything.

Wendy (13:21.4)
think he has Peter Pan syndrome. I think that is 100 % who he is. I think he has Peter Pan syndrome. I do.

Kelli (13:26.997)
Yeah, he just doesn't want to change and he wants to blame her for everything and listen she's took it for 10 years and Now she's One thing I want to listen we're good because we're just going over this real quick But the one thing I want to point out is damn it anyway. I lost my mouse again But I do remember this when West is talking to Ben

Wendy (13:35.149)
Yeah.

Wendy (13:49.819)
Kelli (13:57.364)
and says when he tried to casually date Ciara, I wanted to punch him in his face. You knew very well, Ciara has been very clear with all of us quite honestly and we're not even trying to date her. She's not looking for something casual. She doesn't give it up for just anybody. She holds herself very sacred as she should. So the fact that she went to a certain point with you.

Wendy (13:57.874)
Kelli (14:26.323)
intimately should let you know that nothing about what you were doing was casual.

He is the worst West.

Wendy (14:37.774)
He is the worst. 100 % he is the worst. I just want to bring up a little bit about Sabrina. So not really a big fan of the whole Ben Sabrina thing. That being said, I feel like no. Because I feel like Ben came in lying because I feel like he was with Sabrina the whole time. I feel like he was with Sabrina the whole time and said that he wasn't. And then all of sudden brought her in and he loves her. And now...

Kelli (14:50.113)
You are?

Kelli (14:56.423)
he, yeah, I agree with that. Yes, absolutely. Yeah.

Yes.

Wendy (15:06.976)
Ciara loves her too. Sabrina and Ciara love each other, right? So we know Ciara's coming back next season to Summer House. That's starting soon.

Kelli (15:08.769)
I know. Very close.

Kelli (15:16.979)
Okay, but didn't cousin Gina send us something saying that the house that they've been in for the past so many years is rented? So are they going to a different house?

Wendy (15:22.518)
No, it was sold. It was sold. Yeah, they're not going back to that house. They'll have to go to a different house. Yeah, summer house is still happening.

Kelli (15:30.197)
I mean, Kyle came out and said on Watch What Happens Live, like, I'm, I sent, he sent Wes a voice note saying, I will never say I won't film with somebody. So that led me to believe that they were filming. Okay.

Wendy (15:39.304)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. No, no, Summer House is still happening. Sierra will be on Summer House again. They will be in a different house. Ryan Bailey said, and I kind of agree with him, the reason they're not going back to that house is because of the way they treated it. I mean, at the end, when that ice sculpture fell on the floor, I'm sure that broke tiles. They treated, I mean, you saw those houses after the party.

Kelli (16:03.104)
Yeah.

Kelli (16:07.169)
But you know, I always thought like, listen, you're renting this house to Bravo, basically. So Bravo was responsible for that cleanup.

Wendy (16:08.632)
Right.

Wendy (16:14.744)
Yeah.

Yeah, they were, they were, but you know, maybe the neighbors were like, enough is enough.

Kelli (16:22.847)
Yeah, even though it's a huge piece of property, it's gotta be. Incredibly loud, cameras everywhere. Yeah.

Wendy (16:27.372)
gosh, because do you see how crowded that party was? I honestly think that was the most crowded party I've ever seen them have. They were like wall to wall.

Kelli (16:35.541)
Yeah, yes, that one. Yeah. So, there's a big thing, you know, at the scene where West is saying goodbye to Amanda. So it's West, Amanda, Lindsay, and then Ciara walks up in the foyer. West hugs Lindsay, then he hugs Amanda. I mean, it's a longer hug for sure. It's an affectionate hug. And then Ciara walks up.

and Wes turns around and Amanda does put like both hands on her cheek and she does make a face as if something had just happened. I mean, I don't wanna say she makes a face that they got caught doing something, cause they were in the middle of the foyer. wasn't like they were trying to hide. Lindsay was there the whole time. But it is odd the way she put her hands on her face, wasn't it? And she like looked at him like, my God.

Wendy (17:31.136)
It was, it definitely was.

Wendy (17:36.854)
Yeah, no, it was. It was.

Kelli (17:38.473)
It was weird. It was weird. So then they all leave. And then it's just Amanda and Kyle, and now they're gonna have their properly rehearsed break up.

Wendy (17:50.454)
Yeah.

Kelli (17:51.681)
She says she grew up in that house, which it was different houses along the way, but whatever.

Wendy (17:58.712)
I know, but when you see the scenes of how young she was, like...

Kelli (18:01.905)
absolutely. I mean, she's in her 30s, so we met her in her 20s. She was a baby. She was a baby.

Wendy (18:08.654)
She was a baby and can you imagine like, can you imagine our kids that are in their 20s? Right? Right, right.

Kelli (18:16.469)
Nope, nope. She wants to close this chapter and start over, whatever that looks like. They're both scared, but they know something has to change. She wants time apart. She's going to a hotel. She needs to start looking out for herself. And honestly, all of this is what she should be doing. It is. Scrolling West was not what she should be doing.

Wendy (18:39.542)
No, I agree. I totally agree.

Kelli (18:46.465)
And then they leave separately like honestly now like thinking about it like we're did she meet West at the hotel like I don't I You know, I don't know So after they leave they show them both on watch what happens live separately And They both they're both approached with the rumors about

She and West and obviously they're.

Wendy (19:17.422)
So what I have is, so then we go season premiere of In the City and we start out January, 2026, four months later, bombshell news, Kyle and Amanda have broken up. And then February, 2026, Watch What Happens Live, Andy asks Amanda, who do you think will be the first of you to start dating? And she says me. Then March of 2026, Andy on Watch What Happens Live asks Kyle.

Kelli (19:25.59)
Yeah.

Kelli (19:38.517)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (19:44.14)
What was your reaction to the West and Amanda rumors? And Kyle said, I don't think there's any merit to it. And then Andy on Watch What Happens Live, and they don't give us a date, asks West, what was your reaction to you and Amanda rumors? And West said, that we're just friends.

Kelli (19:50.817)
Mmm.

Wendy (20:05.88)
Then April 9th, 2026, Kyle's in his apartment and Amanda comes in and he said, well first he said, you know, you still have the key. And he says to her, are you eating? You're looking skinny. And Kyle said, I'm worried about you. And Amanda said, I'm worried about me too.

Wendy (20:30.186)
So I actually like how they did it to be quite honest with you. I like that they...

Kelli (20:33.707)
Well, was very, it was very Real Housewives of Beverly Hills into Vanderpump rules. It was, it was a very easy transition for different reasons, but it was.

Wendy (20:39.896)
Well...

Yes, I mean, yes, yes, it was. But I like that they gave us all the, like what was happening in the news, right? And then we started backwards, like we started present day, not really present day, but almost present day when she shows up at the apartment and the scandals come out already. Like it's already, you know.

Kelli (20:50.697)
Yes. Yeah.

Kelli (21:00.565)
Right. Almost present.

Kelli (21:08.757)
Yeah. This is.

Wendy (21:09.462)
I thought it was weird when she asked to sit on his couch. She's like, can I sit on your couch? I'm like, this is weird.

Kelli (21:12.8)
Yeah.

Yeah, well this is what I didn't like that Kyle said that someone else gets the version of her that he fell in love with. Go fuck yourself Kyle, because she was there the whole time. You took her for granted, you mistreated her. That's what changed her.

Wendy (21:26.654)
No! No.

Wendy (21:31.992)
See, honestly, that broke my heart and you feel differently about it. That broke my heart. I know you and I are so different. Yeah, honestly, for Kyle.

Kelli (21:36.317)
my god, Wendy.

For who? Kyle?

Stop it. Stop it. She was there the whole time. He mistreated her. He took her for granted. He cheated on her. He broke her.

Wendy (21:46.53)
Because what, no, you said this, listen, you said this from the beginning. She was only there to be on the show. She wanted to be on the show. She had ulterior motives. Right. So how can you blame him? She had ulterior motives. I don't think he did.

Kelli (21:58.05)
I do think she stayed to stay on the show.

Kelli (22:08.125)
I think he broke her with the way he treated her.

Wendy (22:11.916)
Listen, like I said, don't think he's a good boyfriend. I don't think he was a good husband. I think he is a man child. And not that I'm not saying his actions are excusable, but I'm just saying this is who he is. I think he has Peter Pan syndrome. I think she had her own motives and her own motives were to be on the show.

Kelli (22:29.761)
I agree, but I don't think she always did. Like I think when we met Amanda, she was that young, sweet girl that just wanted to get married to Kyle and have babies. I really do think that was her. I think somewhere along the line, he took her for granted. He mistreated her. He cheated on her. He broke her. And that's when she was like, you know what? Fuck you. I'm staying because I want to stay on.

Wendy (22:51.342)
I do think he mistreated her.

But you said she was a booty call. You said it. She was the booty call.

Kelli (22:58.273)
She started out, she 100 % started out as a booty call, but she wanted to marry him. Like she's always been gaga for him, but he broke her. And at some point during the past 10 years, she was like, great, I'll just play the game along with ya, cause I'm not leaving the show. I'm gonna bring my friends on and we're gonna have a good time. And then eventually I'm gonna leave you for West.

Wendy (23:23.342)
Yeah, but even at the end of Summer House, which we didn't mention, at the end of Summer House when he's sitting out there on the step and he's like, or even his confessional, he's like, I screwed this up. He admits his partner. He admits his partners. Like he admits that he is the one who screwed this up. Like he lost everything that was important to him. He screwed this up. That's why when he's sitting there talking to Amanda and he says, in his confessional, he says it, right?

Kelli (23:35.229)
he... Absolutely. I...

Kelli (23:45.846)
Yes.

Wendy (23:52.792)
He says, I feel bad someone's gonna get the person that I fell in love with because he's the one who screwed it up. Like he did, he admits he screwed it up, but I feel like she had a part in it too. And that's why it broke my heart for him. Because again, I don't think she was innocent in this. I think he was, I think he has Peter Pan syndrome. I think he's a man child, but when he looks back on it, at least he owns it and says he's the one who screwed it up. Amanda does not own anything.

Kelli (24:18.726)
I agree, he owns it, he did own it. I mean, I don't know if he necessarily believes it, but he's saying it.

Wendy (24:24.896)
Amanda doesn't own anything. Amanda at this point?

Kelli (24:28.255)
Let's we'll see at the reunion. I physically can't wait until Tuesday. I mean, I know it's Memorial Day weekend. We live at the shore. There's there's a lot to look forward to, except the fact that it's cold and rainy. But Tuesday cannot get here soon enough. I can't wait. All right.

Wendy (24:37.741)
Yeah.

Wendy (24:44.418)
Yeah, mean, I think, listen, I don't think Amanda was innocent. That's all I'm saying. I think the Kyle that I see today after he screwed this up and messed up his business and his relationship and screwed up a lot of things in his life, I think he looks back and is remorseful and sees where he went wrong. And I don't think he'll make those same mistakes again. At least I hope he won't. And honestly, I want to see him on Summer House. I do.

Kelli (24:48.265)
No, no, no, I get what you're saying.

Wendy (25:14.606)
Because I think Kyle can still be on Summer House. I do. I do.

Kelli (25:18.8)
I think there's no way he's not gonna be on Summer House now.

Wendy (25:22.54)
Right, I think you can still be there. I do.

Kelli (25:26.261)
Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (25:27.96)
So that's my thought on it. It's so funny you and I see this so differently. I mean, it doesn't surprise me because we see a lot of things differently.

Kelli (25:32.672)
Well, yeah, we do, we do. You know, I was listening to Ace and Anna, I really love Reality Court, and Anna, they were talking about Jersey, they were talking about everything. I agree with everything they say all the time, it's so funny. I just agreed with everything, I was like, right, that's what I, yep, right, that's what I think.

Wendy (25:41.741)
Yeah.

Kelli (26:00.522)
So if anybody agrees with me on things on the podcast, go listen to Reality Court, because you'll be pleasantly surprised you'll agree with them too. All right, we're just gonna go through In the City real quick, because basically this episode was just us meeting people. We do finally get to see Gemma, who is beautiful. And I am very, I do love seeing Lindsay as a mom, because we've said it before, she had a different relationship with her mother than.

Wendy (26:14.54)
Yes.

Kelli (26:29.693)
any experience Wendy and I have had. She didn't really have a relationship with her mother. So you know that she's gonna be the best mom ever. She's going to be the best mom ever, so good for her. She does let us know that she hasn't had.

Wendy (26:39.31)
Yes. And this is seven sex, right? This is seven months earlier when we finally get this. And it's September of 2025. So they give us a timeline, which again, I like the timeline. Yeah. Right.

Kelli (26:50.675)
Yeah, and she hasn't had sex in nine months. So they did her real dirty then by showing her hooking up with everybody and anybody during the summer.

Wendy (27:00.755)
What about when she said she used to shoot rainbows and butterflies out of her vagina?

Kelli (27:05.729)
Yeah, I don't know what that meant. I don't know, maybe Carl can weigh in on that. We meet Yvonne, is her best friend for 13 years and she's married to Nick. Georgina is Lindsay's mom friend and she was 32 with a toddler and her ex left her and then she says she went a little crazy. She's the dermatologist, right Georgina?

Wendy (27:07.726)
I was like, wait, what?

Wendy (27:33.464)
She's a dermatologist. She was 32 weeks pregnant when her ex left her with the toddler. No, no, no. She was 32 weeks pregnant. Yes. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. Yes.

Kelli (27:38.757)
I thought she was 32 years old with a toddler. Wait a minute, she had a toddler and she was 32 weeks pregnant with a second and her ex left her? I hope that guy burns in hell.

Andrea from Winterhouse and his wife Lexi are on it. Danielle and her boyfriend, how do you, Owen, right, it's spelled E-O-I-M, but yeah, they met nine years ago and then he slipped back in her DMs, which is very interesting because we know now that he was married. So it is interesting that he slipped into her DMs, yeah.

Wendy (28:03.7)
Owen? Owen!

Wendy (28:17.41)
He's, yeah, when they are together. He was a newlywed. got married in Ireland. He was a newlywed. He was a newlywed and he got married in Ireland. Cause people are talking about it. Like, why isn't he divorced yet? Because in Ireland, it's different. He got married in Ireland and he was a newlywed.

Kelli (28:21.929)
And she... Yeah.

Kelli (28:37.897)
Wow, I didn't know that. I did not know that. Dear Lord. They've been together for six months and she basically wants a ring and a baby, which is very hypocritical considering the way she came so hard at Lindsay with Carl. Meanwhile, Lindsay and Carl had been friends for 10 plus years. Ridiculous.

Wendy (28:40.204)
Yep, yep, yep, yep.

Wendy (28:54.413)
Yes!

Kelli (29:03.097)
Then we see Kyle meets with Kenny for lunch and they're both wearing black on black. That's very New York, New Jersey. I totally get it. I wanted to say something about the Valley, about Danny, but all right, whatever.

Wendy (29:11.542)
It is very New York.

Wendy (29:20.43)
Wait, why are we gonna say something about the Valley and Danny here?

Kelli (29:22.715)
I meant to say while we were recapping the valley, like people are coming so hard at Danny and again, I do think that Danny was very disrespectful to Nia. However, we are from New Jersey. I don't know where Danny's from. I actually meant to look it up. Like Jesse, like he's from Boston. He's East Coast. I'm not saying East Coast guys are always disrespectful to their women. New Jersey, New York.

Boston, these guys act a certain way. I don't know if it's just that we're more tolerable.

Wendy (29:55.118)
It's a machismo. It's a machismo, right? The East Coast men have this certain machismo that they need to be like the guy. They need to be in charge. And listen, it doesn't mean they're not with strong women. It does not mean they're not with strong women. It just means the East Coast women know that they're really in charge and they let the guy think he's in charge.

Kelli (29:59.072)
Like I, we just.

Kelli (30:08.075)
Yeah, right.

Kelli (30:15.263)
Right, right.

Kelli (30:23.155)
Exactly, and we step in when we need to.

Wendy (30:25.65)
Exactly. Like we're running the show. Kelly's running the show. I'm running the show. Lori's running the show. Our husbands think they're running the show because that's what we let them think. They don't know, right? Is that what you wanted to say? Okay. Okay.

Kelli (30:37.377)
They're not running the show.

Yes, exactly. Yes, thank you. Yes. So if you didn't already listen to our Valley episode, go back, because I wish I would have said it then. Anyway, Kenny grew up in Michigan, left Wall Street six years ago to go into venture capitalism. And he is a Loverboy investor. It was interesting to hear Kenny say that Kyle's been going to things solo for three years. Did you clock that?

Wendy (30:50.84)
Yeah.

Wendy (31:10.094)
100 % clock that. And even when Andrea talked about the wedding and that Kyle went solo.

Kelli (31:17.461)
Yeah. Which is very interesting that she didn't even go to Andrea's wedding. Cause I, she, you know, she liked Andrea like she...

Wendy (31:25.538)
He was in Summer House too! He was in Summer House, not only Winter House, but he was in Summer House too!

Kelli (31:28.693)
Yep, right. Yeah. So anyway, Kenny brings up his girlfriend Whitney and says she's happy. She wakes up happy. She's a breath of fresh air. And then we find out that she was on The Bachelor. So you know, my immediate reaction is she's an opportunist and just wants to be on reality TV. They all meet up at the... Yeah.

Wendy (31:50.126)
But Kenny grew up in the Midwest, Kenny grew up in the Midwest, which I think is kind of important because I think Midwestern people have different values than East Coast people. Don't you think? I feel like it's a different thing. But he did work on Wall Street for six years until he decided to go into venture capital investment. So he's got those Midwestern values, which

Kelli (32:02.643)
Yeah, yeah, it's a yeah for sure

Kelli (32:08.702)
Right.

Kelli (32:16.341)
Yeah, what I say venture capitalism. Yeah. Yeah. So they all meet up at the Garrett and you have to walk through a burger place to get in there, which is very, and I say,

Wendy (32:19.051)
Yeah, but yeah, I know what you meant. Yeah.

Wendy (32:29.782)
Okay. Okay, so I know everything about this now. I wrote everything down. You have to go through burger 25. I have the address. We are going there. You and I are going there. You and I are going there. It is 7th Avenue and Bleecker Street on the corner of 7th Avenue and Bleecker Street. We are going to the speakeasy. I think we're gonna do it soon. I feel like we are going to New York soon.

Kelli (32:41.884)
I'll go.

Wendy (32:58.476)
and I wanna go to Soft Bar. We're going to Soft Bar. And I feel like we need to make a New York trip to go to this speakeasy. I need to go to the speakeasy.

Kelli (33:00.767)
Yeah, we gotta go to SoftBart, yeah.

Kelli (33:10.113)
All right, I have one request. If we do this or when we do this, can we please do a lip lab?

Wendy (33:12.365)
Okay.

Wendy (33:16.244)
yes, yes. Is Lip Lab, where's Lip Lab? Is it in Brooklyn?

Kelli (33:17.697)
We're doing LipLab.

There's a lip lab in Brooklyn. There's two in Manhattan. One is near Bryant Park.

Wendy (33:25.592)
But where is it?

Okay, that's okay. And where's the other one?

Kelli (33:31.273)
I don't know. I'll figure it out.

Wendy (33:33.004)
Because the, hold on, wait, wait, wait. The Garrett is in the West Village. Is anything in the West Village? Because the West Village is downtown. Okay, so if in the Village, okay, so it's on the corner of Bleaker and Seventh. All right, we are going there. We're definitely going there. Yeah, it's a Five Guys. It's a freaking Five Guys.

Kelli (33:42.529)
The other one might be in the village, I don't know.

Kelli (33:49.697)
Alright, we'll figure it out.

Oh, it's a five guys. It looked like a five guys. It's so funny how they all look alike. So we see people starting to meet up at the garrot and then Kyle and Amanda are on a walk and they just came from the therapist. So again, Kyle, you say you wanna work things out, you're so sad, wah wah wah, but you had a gig last night and you came home at four in the morning when you knew you had therapy. So who wants?

Wendy (33:58.19)
Mm-hmm.

It's a five, guys.

Wendy (34:21.998)
But he showed up to therapy! He showed up to therapy!

Kelli (34:23.873)
Yeah, but you don't, his gig didn't end at 4 a.m. It's, yeah, it's just ridiculous. Like, go home, Kyle. Go, if you're really trying to work on your marriage, go home.

Wendy (34:28.044)
No, it ended at two.

Wendy (34:36.462)
Alright I'm just gonna say this Kelly, you are the one who knows once the party starts it's hard to stop it.

Kelli (34:43.295)
listen, I love to keep the party going. But if my marriage were at stake, I wouldn't.

Wendy (34:46.478)
no!

Alright, I'm just saying that.

Kelli (34:54.973)
I know, I know, you're right. I was still on the dance floor the night of my wedding when everybody was leaving. They had to come by me on the dance floor to come say goodbye.

Wendy (35:01.086)
Okay, alright, there you go. I know you know when you want the party to keep on going, the party's gonna keep on going. It's hard to stop the party once it starts.

Kelli (35:09.063)
Yeah, for sure, for sure. So, so everybody's at the garrot now. Kyle shows up. He tells them Amanda's not coming. I just want to get to like, just want to like, I don't even want to go through all, know, Lindsay's there. Then Danielle shows up. She doesn't want to talk to her. Then we find out that Danielle gave Carl a hand job in the back of an Uber a week after the first time they broke up.

Wendy (35:13.251)
Yeah

Wendy (35:27.64)
Yeah.

Kelli (35:38.322)
Not when they called off the engagement, which was very misleading, but that's what promos do. And listen, it is kind of fucked up, but I do think, and somebody needs to fact check this, I think Lindsay met Danielle because Carl had dated Danielle in the past. right, and I think, I don't think that Lindsay and Danielle were friends and then Danielle.

Wendy (36:00.418)
Well, Carl did date Daniel in the past, but I don't know that that's how they met.

Kelli (36:06.943)
dated Carl, I think Danielle dated Carl and then Lindsay and Danielle became friends. So listen, if she dated him in the past and you guys just had this thing and then she gave him.

Wendy (36:18.892)
Alright, is it okay to give him a hand job after your friend? I mean, come on. And like-

Kelli (36:23.482)
Lindsay dated him after becoming friends with Danielle.

Wendy (36:30.382)
I mean, listen, it's a freaking hand job.

Kelli (36:32.743)
Exactly, who even does that anymore?

Wendy (36:35.71)
Exactly who even does that anymore like that's the whole point

Kelli (36:38.785)
mean, if you're married, you gotta do certain things when you're married. But I'm just saying, like, I mean, it's kinda like a high school thing. Not to give too much away, but yeah. Maybe even middle school, I don't know. Anyway, I digress.

Wendy (36:43.128)
Did I hand shot?

Wendy (36:47.05)
It's a high school thing. It's a high school thing. Yeah, you know.

You

Kelli (37:00.929)
Danielle asked Lindsay to go to lunch and Lindsay says she has to think about it. Listen, you know damn well Lindsay did not want Danielle recorded. Like she did not want her on this show. She was probably like, I don't know.

Wendy (37:02.126)
is so funny.

Wendy (37:15.022)
did she get on the show? How did she get on the show? Because I feel like Lindsay is this show. Lindsay started this show. How did Daniel get on the show?

Kelli (37:21.727)
Well, that's what we heard when we heard the, you know, little birds chirping about this show. It was basically a Lindsay spin-off. And then we found out Kyle was going to be on it, which this is probably the reason Carl's not on it because it was based around Lindsay.

Wendy (37:31.246)
Right.

Yeah, but-

Wendy (37:42.126)
Yeah, so how did Daniel get on it? How did Daniel get on it? Like, that's my-

Kelli (37:42.177)
because they weren't in a good place. I don't know. Apparently the producers did her dirty.

Wendy (37:49.538)
Well, because honestly she got on it because she was dating a married man. That's how she freaking got on it. That's TV Gold. Are you kidding me? That's how she got on it.

Kelli (37:54.303)
Yeah, that is how she got on it. You're right. Yep. Yep.

Yeah. So then, then we see Lindsey, Yvonne, Georgina, Lindsey, Yvonne and Georgina meet up with Amanda. but before.

Wendy (38:10.37)
Well, that's after they meet, wait, wait, wait. After they meet up with Georgina in her office in Tribeca, because she's the dermatologist and she's in her scrubs, and they're like, well, like, do you even have clothes to change? And she opens up the cabinet and she comes out in this fabulous outfit. Okay, Georgina. No, I watched it on the DVR.

Kelli (38:17.92)
Yes.

Kelli (38:27.093)
Did you watch it on Peacock?

Kelli (38:32.456)
I must have missed that for some reason.

Wendy (38:34.508)
Yeah, she had all these clothes in her cabinet, like casual clothes, red tie, black tie clothes, going out clothes. So Georgina is a single mom with a toddler and a newborn, a dermatologist in her own practice. she is, like she's a boss bitch. Seriously, Georgina is a boss bitch. And this is what I'm here for, like meeting these new people.

Kelli (38:43.637)
Nice.

Kelli (38:57.771)
But yes, for sure.

Yes, I agree. I agree. Yes. So before Amanda gets there, Lindsay does say that, um, I guess she didn't pay rent for three years and Kyle put a spreadsheet together and charged her last week and it was 117 K. Yeah. And she paid it. She wrote that check. Good for you, Amanda. God bless.

Wendy (39:05.516)
Right?

Wendy (39:14.317)
Yes.

Wendy (39:20.557)
170. Yep, and she paid it.

Kelli (39:28.673)
Wait, this was wild. Yvonne says Nick isn't ready to be a dad and at some point she took off to San Diego for days and he didn't realize. Could you imagine?

Wendy (39:39.646)
No. If I'm gone for a half hour when they don't expect it. Wend, Wend, where are you? Wend, where are you? When you coming home?

Kelli (39:42.643)
Right!

Kelli (39:46.601)
Right. I get the text, yo, and it's Y-O-O-O-O.

Kelli (39:56.501)
like, I'll be right back. I'll be right back. That.

Wendy (40:00.908)
That is very concerning.

Kelli (40:04.053)
very concerning.

Wendy (40:05.762)
And they have a dog. I mean, he's talking to the dog. He's asking the dog where she's at.

Kelli (40:08.961)
I'm

Kelli (40:14.411)
So good. And then Amanda drops the bomb. I don't know how Amanda do this, but that Danielle was with a married man and Lindsay was shooketh.

Wendy (40:25.55)
Because she got it from Katie. Katie told her, because Danielle is closest with Katie. Katie was at the bar. I don't know if you've seen it on social media, they are asking, like they take these questions out of the bag. And one of the questions Danielle gets is, who are you closest with? And she says, Katie. So Danielle is closest with Katie. Katie was at the bar. We don't know anything about her. We don't know anything about her. Just that we haven't.

Kelli (40:28.821)
Who's Katie?

Kelli (40:46.721)
I don't even remember who Katie was.

okay, okay.

Wendy (40:53.356)
We haven't learned anything about her, just that she's closest with Danielle and she is the one who told Amanda.

Kelli (41:00.351)
Okay, okay. So then we'll just, we'll end the episode. Kyle and Amanda do go out for their four year anniversary. Kyle says he feels like they're in a decent place. He feels like they're moving forward in therapy. And then Amanda does not feel like they're moving forward. And she basically tells him she's moving out. She says it's for a month, not to end their relationship, but to help them.

She wants them to date each other and she's not doing this to run away. Now.

Wendy (41:34.946)
All right, I thought this was so weird. First of all, the first thing I thought is why are they sitting at a bar on their fourth anniversary? That was my first thought. And then they're talking to these random people at the bar and they say, these is.

Kelli (41:48.309)
these guys who had to be miked. They had to be miked.

Wendy (41:52.044)
Yes, this is just our appetizers. We're going to another restaurant for our actual anniversary dinner.

Kelli (41:58.4)
Right, which I'm sure they did not.

Wendy (42:01.568)
I mean, after she says, I'm gonna move out, why would you go any place else?

Kelli (42:09.857)
Yeah, I mean

Kelli (42:16.447)
Listen, it is what it is. We all know how it winds up now, but in the city's good, I recommend you should check it out. And that's coming from someone who does not enjoy watching Kyle, Lindsay, or now Amanda on my screen. I'm here to see.

Wendy (42:29.229)
I do too.

Wendy (42:36.866)
I do like Kyle and Lindsay, not for Amanda.

Kelli (42:40.223)
Right, so I'm curious, I'm interested to see how this works out.

Wendy (42:45.068)
And I want Carl next season.

Kelli (42:46.783)
Yes, we need Carl. We need Carl. We need Carl.

Wendy (42:50.954)
I want Carl next season with Bailey.

Kelli (42:56.907)
you think is there any chance Lindsay and Carl are ever gonna get back together? You don't think, huh?

Wendy (43:01.834)
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, be friends. think Carl needs to be uncle Carl to Gemma. I don't think they are good as a couple. I think they are good to be friends. think Carl, Lindsay and Kyle should be BFFs forever. I think they have each other's back. think they

Kelli (43:25.661)
Yeah, because you're right. they got back together, there's a really good chance that it would end super bad and that would not be good. There's no coming back from that.

Wendy (43:29.15)
No, no, no, no, no, I don't ever want to see that. I don't ever want to see that happen. I want to see Lindsay find her prince. I want to see her find somebody who's going to treat her like a queen. I like Lindsay. I know you don't. I think she...

Kelli (43:46.293)
I mean, I'm just not a huge fan. I'm happy for her that she had the baby. I think she'll be the best mom. just think she, did you see her on Watch What Happens Live? She wouldn't shut the F up. Like let Kyle speak for crying out loud.

Wendy (43:57.326)
Because Kyle can't speak, she said it, and it's true. Kyle is not a good communicator. When she stopped talking and Kyle started talking, he couldn't convey the message he wanted to. Lindsay is a good friend. Lindsay is a good friend.

Kelli (44:12.277)
Well, they are, I give her that she is a good friend to Kyle.

Wendy (44:16.046)
Lindsay's a good friend to Kyle, and I think she will be a very good friend to Carl. I think she is the mom. Like, think every, listen, I think every friend group needs someone who's a little bit more dominant, right? Lindsay's the dominant of this friend group. And I think it works. I think it works. I want to see them all happy and successful, but not with each other. I don't think any of them to be together. want them to, I want to see what, I want to see where Kyle finds.

Kelli (44:28.095)
gas.

Wendy (44:45.698)
finds love. I want to see where Carl finds love. I want to see where Lindsay finds love. I want to see that happen. Don't you?

Kelli (44:46.87)
Yeah.

Kelli (44:54.323)
Yeah, we'll see if it does happen.

Wendy (44:56.289)
It doesn't sound like you do.

Kelli (44:58.497)
We'll see. Well, thank you for watching and listening. We are gonna cover, we're definitely covering the Summer House reunion and we'll cover it in the city going forward. So please share, like, comment and five star reviews only please. Bye.

Wendy (45:17.454)
Thank you.