Wendy (00:01.07)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Lori (00:04.651)
And I'm Lori.

Wendy (00:07.01)
We are talking about Special Forces Season 4, Episode Number 7. This one's called Composure. It's okay name.

Lori (00:17.931)
Hmm. What do you think it was in reference to?

Wendy (00:21.902)
I would say Cody losing his composure in the DS interrogation kind of.

Lori (00:33.569)
Yeah, and maybe Sean having too much composure.

Wendy (00:37.556)
Yeah, it could be that. Could be. Yep. So it's.

Lori (00:39.413)
Yeah. All right. So we definitely find out that Cody sleeps with mouth tape.

Wendy (00:48.044)
We did? How did I miss that?

Lori (00:49.399)
Yeah, he did this, cause in like one of the first scenes, first of all, he's like sitting up on all these pillows, like leaning up and he has mouth tape on.

Wendy (01:01.896)
I missed that. I did not see that. that's interesting. Okay.

Lori (01:03.146)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Wendy (01:09.506)
So we start out at 0640 hours, which is 640 a.m., day seven, and there's eight recruits remaining. I honestly, this is, you know, because I was watching and typing, so I must have missed it. So number nine, Christie Rampone, I kept hearing her cough. That must have been when they were showing it, when he was laying there. She sounded horrible. So the medics asked to see her and...

Lori (01:28.929)
Yes, yes.

Lori (01:33.101)
horrible.

Wendy (01:37.506)
They think that she's got some sort of infection that she really shouldn't be there.

Lori (01:40.895)
This is, yeah, horrible.

Wendy (01:43.18)
She's upset. I don't blame her. mean, she didn't want to go out that way, but the DS is tell her.

Lori (01:48.673)
Hey, at least she finished what she finished. She should be really proud of herself. That couldn't last a day.

Wendy (01:53.142)
Yeah, yeah, I mean the DS has said to her, know, absolutely, I know. They're like, you know, you shouldn't be upset like this wasn't your decision, you know.

Lori (01:59.415)
You

Lori (02:02.914)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (02:04.846)
Cody's talking to Brianna about what day it is. He's, you know, doesn't even know. He's like, okay, it's day seven. She's like, she says, I don't know how much longer of this I can take. And Cody's talking about, I look like shit, my clothes are all dirty. I'm like, you're worried about your clothes? I know.

Lori (02:19.939)
Like dude, that's your biggest concern? That's your biggest concern right now. He's so weird. He's weird. He's a weird dude. He's a weird guy. I'd never watched any of the Sister Wives thing. So I really knew the bare minimum about him, but he's very odd. He's an odd duck.

Wendy (02:27.626)
He is really weird.

Wendy (02:33.304)
Sister wives.

Wendy (02:40.802)
He is odd. Mark Estes is complaining about his ear hurting him, so he has Brianna look at it and she's like, well, there's like a blister on it. And he's like, I think I have cauliflower ear. And Cody's like, well, you're not a tough guy unless you have cauliflower ear, which I thought was the dumbest thing I've ever heard. And then Brianna's like, but he's a model. He's like, okay.

Lori (03:07.937)
Yeah. And Gia's like, I don't know whether they actually showed it on the show or whether it was a post that I saw, because I watched those, the special forces has their own little social media posts. And Gia was like, and why is it important to like not have cauliflower here? And he was like remodeling. this is funny.

Wendy (03:18.274)
Yeah.

Wendy (03:34.766)
So next it's 0832 hours, so it's 830 in the morning and Christie's gone, so seven remain.

Lori (03:47.767)
How about when they were still, how about when they were still in the tent and Cody was making that stupid like bebop like song that he was doing. Do you remember that? And chicken fry was like, take, take me out back and shoot me. That was great.

Wendy (04:02.068)
Yes, he does some-

Wendy (04:06.666)
I know you can just tell by everyone's reaction to him that he is really agitating them. I mean at day seven he's really agitating them.

Lori (04:16.195)
Well, one of my favorite words from this episode that I thought was very on point is the DS kept calling him a buffoon. And that is, it should just be his t-shirt that he wears. Because it's very apropos.

Wendy (04:26.926)
soon.

Wendy (04:31.232)
A phone. Yeah.

Wendy (04:35.63)
Yeah.

Lori (04:36.067)
And he can't stop with me. What was that? He made some weird comment too about masculinity. And I was like, oh my God, he just can't stop. He can't stop.

Wendy (04:49.632)
I know, know he can't, he can't help it. He can't, he can't.

She is in the camp and talking to Sean about like, when did she stop the Olympics? And she said, well, in 2016, that was the first time she quit. But then after that, it's not that she quit, she kind of just retired. She just really got in her head and she just really felt the need to go back. So then she went back again and then she retired again in 2019.

Lori (05:20.023)
And I think she was only 19, right? I think she was only 19 when she went out the second time. think the f... Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was really young. She started really young and then ended really young.

Wendy (05:23.577)
She was young.

Wendy (05:30.39)
Really? I mean, it's possible. I know she was young.

Wendy (05:42.125)
Yeah.

So the DSs call them all out to line up and they say, it's gonna be completely up to you whether or not you stay on course. Like you have to rely on each other for this next challenge. And I liked this quote that he said, the strength of the pact is the wolf and the strength of the wolf is the pact. And I've never accomplished anything on my missions alone. So I thought that was.

Lori (06:06.807)
Yep.

Wendy (06:13.57)
You know, that was a very important quote. And I think that as you can see with Sean and Cody, you know, you gotta have teamwork.

Lori (06:24.995)
You gotta have teamwork.

Wendy (06:30.464)
So they're going to the next mission is on the outskirts of this Moroccan town. He's going to split them into two, three teams of two. But before that happens, as soon as they get there, they call Mark Estes, number three to go be seen by medical. And they look at his ear and they say, you know, this can be permanently disfiguring. Like you need to go into surgery now. Which I can't.

Lori (06:56.108)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (06:58.382)
And he's like, there any way we know we can only wait a couple of days? And they're like, no, you can't wait. So he got.

Lori (07:03.575)
Right, right. Well, listen, they gotta have somebody off. Not everybody, everybody can't stay on. Everybody can't stay on. So whether it was really something or it was, all right, we'll use this to get it, you know what mean? But if he makes his money off his face, then hey, can't blame the guy, that's your livelihood.

Wendy (07:08.736)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (07:17.558)
Right. To get, yeah, to get him out.

Wendy (07:26.616)
Right.

Wendy (07:29.91)
Right. So now it's 10 56 a.m. and now there's six recruits remaining.

So the DSs tell them what their mission is going to be. You are going to...

You're going to have to go and save a hostage. You're going to have to go and retrieve a hostage, and you're going to have to retrieve an asset, a very important asset.

Lori (07:59.883)
Right, and I think he also said you had to like clear each room. So you had to, right? You had to clear each room. So you got to go in each room.

Wendy (08:04.482)
He said you have to, yes. Yeah, the mission is to, right. The mission is to clear the compound. We know for a fact that there's a hostage and there's a piece of equipment and it'll be marked with the number 0749 and it's a small box. They must first find the asset once they clear it and then.

rescue the hostage before the building explodes and you only have two minutes to do it. So the first team is Cody and Sean and their first mistake was they didn't clear the compound. And they didn't.

Lori (08:45.025)
and they never spoke a word to each other. There was absolutely no communication. It was unbelievable.

Wendy (08:51.008)
Right. They didn't talk to each other at all. They were both kind of doing their own thing. They find the hostage first, then they take the hostage out, and then they have their gas mask on, and then they decide to break the hostage back in with them to look for the asset. But now they're dying from smoke, and he's dying from smoke, and they never get the asset, and then Cody leaves and leave Sean in. It was a disaster.

Lori (08:53.643)
Not a word.

Lori (09:17.345)
It was a shit show. And you know, it was, it was Cody that took the hostage into that room. But again, Sean didn't, you know, she just lost her shit, man. She didn't step up and say, you know, not a good idea. There was no, and nobody even took the five minutes to just make a plan real quick and say, okay, let's hit.

whatever's on our right front, like whatever, but there was no plan at all.

Wendy (09:51.576)
There was no plan. I mean, that's when the DS called him. He said, this was buffoonery. Yeah, you didn't know what you were doing. You know, I was giving you timings. You know, what did you lead? You got the hostage first. You killed the guy.

Lori (09:58.037)
It's the buffoonery. I'm telling you, it's a perfect word for him.

Lori (10:09.079)
He said the only thing, right, he said the only thing you led was up your ass.

Wendy (10:13.806)
He's like, it was horrendous. And then he says to Shawn, like, what were you doing? And she's like, he said, you became the sheep instead of the shepherd. you know, taking control, you can see what was going wrong. she, know, listen, it was tough for her and you could see it was tough for her. So then team two is Andrew and Gia and they're having a hard time finding the code, but

Lori (10:23.841)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Lori (10:33.762)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (10:43.166)
I did like that Andrew walks out and then he's like, come on, G, you have to come. So he did start with the communication to make sure that they stayed together, right? I thought that was good.

Lori (10:53.451)
Yeah, I was surprised. Yeah, I was surprised that they didn't do better. Just, I was just a little surprised. I would have thought maybe that they would have done better because they both have done very well on the challenges. But maybe, maybe, you know, too, like he's, I think that Andrew is probably really used to Sean leading. I think she's probably the big leader in the relationship. So.

Wendy (11:07.191)
Yeah, no, I agree.

Lori (11:20.641)
I don't know if that had anything to do with it, you know?

Wendy (11:20.974)
could be, I mean it could be.

Yeah.

So they wind up, they don't find the asset, they never find the asset, but they did get the hostage out. But they failed because they didn't do both things that they were supposed to do. Then team three is Randall and Brianna. And Brianna gives us a little background information that she's her father's fourth daughter and I was like a son to him. I was a tomboy. So she's used to...

know, doing hard things and she really wants to make her dad proud. So I think that in this mission, she did a great job. mean, they get the hostage out, they get the asset, they get the hostage out, they get out before it explodes, they pass. They're the only team to pass. And on the way back, Brianna says like, really needed this pass today. Cause in the morning she was saying, I don't know how much longer I can take this. And this was the little wind in her sails that she needed to, you know, help keep her going.

Lori (12:25.079)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (12:29.472)
I liked that Cody did say to Andrew, you know, I'm sorry, I got your wife killed. He said, these were his words, it was a dereliction of duty, meaning himself. Yeah.

Lori (12:41.155)
And it was, and it certainly was because he did leave her. He left her.

Wendy (12:46.422)
Yeah. Andrew said you just friggin' ditched her. Like, he looked pissed. I don't blame him.

Lori (12:51.831)
Mm-hmm.

Well, and I think too, because it's probably something that it would never even cross his mind to leave Gia. I'm just thinking that's the kind of guy that he is, that it would just never even cross his mind to do that. And I love how Chicken Fry was telling Cody how he forgets about the team.

Wendy (13:04.673)
no, no no no, he would never, no no. Right.

Wendy (13:22.06)
Yes, I love that she stepped up. I love that she said that. She said, think in challenges going forward, you need to not take the leadership role and kind of fall behind because you're not doing a great job, basically is what she was saying.

Lori (13:26.251)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (13:35.554)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Wendy (13:44.82)
Brianna is riding back with Andrew and they're both saying how pissed Sean was and Andrew's like, yeah, you could just see it on her face.

Lori (13:52.691)
Mm-hmm. Well, you know, she said that she doesn't like to not be in control.

Wendy (13:59.648)
Well, she's used to just being in control of herself too. You know, she's not really used to being

with the exception of working with her husband, you know?

Lori (14:09.773)
Yeah.

Wendy (14:13.344)
So they get back to the camp and the DS's decide that they're going to bring Sean back because this was.

Lori (14:18.795)
Now, I wanna ask you this. I don't remember them putting goggles over the hood previously, but this time they put goggles over the hood. The other times they didn't do it right, they didn't do it before, because I was looking at that like going, I don't remember them putting the goggles on. So I was wondering if you caught that. I don't know, I don't know. Maybe it's just an added.

Wendy (14:33.142)
No, they didn't. They didn't before. No, you're right. Yeah.

Wendy (14:42.508)
I wonder why they switched it.

Yeah.

Lori (14:49.879)
Thing to fuck with you? I don't know.

Wendy (14:51.79)
Could be, it absolutely could be. So they chose Shawn because this was her worst performance of the whole course. They get her back there and the DS says, today was an absolute cluster. Like what happened out there? And she's like, I've never had to do a full team thing. He said to her, you come across as robotic and you still are right here right now. Like, you're just very stoic.

Lori (15:19.917)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (15:20.246)
And she is, he's absolutely right. He's absolutely right. So she said, you know, my entire career was fear-based. You know, I had a lot of people above me, you know, high up and tell me I was worthless and that they didn't want me to succeed. So if I showed emotion, I was cut. You know, the only emotion I could show ever was a smile. And if I did that at the wrong time, I was cut.

Lori (15:22.881)
Almost definitely.

Wendy (15:49.718)
So she learned not to show emotion, which I can't even imagine considering, like you said, she was so young when she was doing this. I mean, she was a teenager.

Lori (16:00.099)
It's actually very damaging to your psyche. It's very damaging to your psyche. Because to want to be in control of all situations is a fallacy because there is no control in life. Life is the most uncontrollable thing that there is. So it would be horrible to have to go through life like that.

Wendy (16:04.139)
Yes, absolutely.

Yes!

Wendy (16:17.495)
Right, right.

Wendy (16:28.823)
Yeah, but-

Lori (16:28.941)
But that's one of the things that I like about the show is that they're kind of really going into some, definitely some psychology. You know, there's a lot of things that really make you go, hmm, you know? And not a lot of television does that anymore. So that's kind of why I like it. No. No, yeah.

Wendy (16:38.866)
definitely.

Wendy (16:46.446)
No, most of them don't. Not reality television anyway. She also says that she's so used to just shutting off her emotions and being so focused during competitions, like that worked to her advantage because she would just, there'd be no emotion with it. It was just her being focused on the task. But she said when she stopped competing, I guess this is what happened in 2016 is,

Lori (17:08.663)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (17:16.622)
you know, she went down a bad way and they're like, what does that mean? And she said depression, she had an eating disorder, she lost her identity. And that's why she went back to competing because she needed that. And I wonder, like, did she do something? Like in 2019, I mean,

Lori (17:24.259)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (17:40.63)
I feel like she definitely needs something. I hope that this really helps her. really do. hope that she... I mean, listen, I think she's an awesome person. I think her and her husband are a great couple. I think that they are a great team. Yeah.

Lori (17:40.887)
Who knows?

Lori (17:53.735)
great couple. Great, great couple. Yeah. Well, I definitely, feel like it's, the show has probably been very helpful for everybody who stayed on it for any significant amount of time in a personal and meaning way. you know, whether the whole thing is totally produced or not, I think that definitely the participants walked away with something useful.

Wendy (18:08.461)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Wendy (18:23.34)
Yeah, I agree. So DS Foxy tells her it's okay to cry. You know, we want to see a more human side of you. And then she goes back to the tent and she tells them that and Cody's like, like he was taken aback by that. Yeah.

Lori (18:39.043)
He's so weird, he's so weird. Like his responses are weird. It's just like, ugh, I can't.

Wendy (18:49.11)
I know. Then they're all eating and they call number four and Cody drops what he's doing and runs out there and they just tell him that he's now the duty recruit.

Lori (18:58.945)
Okay, so there's many things about this. His bizarre reaction when they call him, like, okay. Running out there like a weirdo, yelling. I was just like, He's painful. He's painful to watch. Very painful.

Wendy (19:02.582)
Yeah.

Wendy (19:06.573)
Right.

Wendy (19:20.972)
Yes, he really is.

So then after they tell him that, he goes back into the tent and he says to like, gee, well, you're going to have to tell me what to do. Like, I don't know how to do this. And she's like, yeah, it's not that big of a deal.

Lori (19:35.395)
It's like, it was two items that they needed. And he's like, Oh, tell me what I need to do, but don't tell me at once. Gia tells him two things. And how about when, how about when he left and chicken fry was like, okay, this is a deal. We got to throw him a bone once in a while to make him so that we can deal with him. I mean, and, Randall was like, Oh, well that's like more than I can do. It's just.

Wendy (19:43.276)
Right.

Wendy (20:01.262)
Right. Yep, like you're a better person than me.

Lori (20:05.891)
It's really sad because I don't know how.

If he wasn't such a total narcissist, I don't know how he could even look at himself in the mirror after this episode. was, it was really, I mean, they, no one likes him. He's, they think he's a buff and, and that is what you got from every single person on that episode. So just, and, to somebody like that, that's gotta be like the worst thing in the world.

Wendy (20:29.922)
No.

Wendy (20:35.512)
Yep. Yep.

Lori (20:43.607)
that they don't, there's no respect for him. And for him, respect is huge, but there's absolutely none there. I watched a couple of social media posts and on one of them, I think it was Vilephiles, Andrew and Sean were on there. And Andrew, remember I told you that he just became a doctor? I think it's psychology, because he said he spent a lot of time with Cody.

Wendy (20:47.575)
Right.

Lori (21:12.643)
like trying to pick his brain apart to see like how this is how he's like really functioning. You know what I mean? he was very, Cody was almost like a specimen to him because he was just found him very interesting his dysfunction.

Wendy (21:26.126)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (21:31.564)
Yeah, I mean, he is very interesting. mean, literally the DSs are making fun of him, like behind his back. Like everybody is making fun of him. Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (21:36.407)
That's what I'm saying. Everybody.

Lori (21:42.135)
How about when the DS said that Cody was a big version of Chucky?

Wendy (21:47.552)
I know, I know.

Lori (21:49.955)
Like, my God. And how he considers himself a great leader. A great leader. What? What?

Wendy (21:52.92)
So then we do see a good. Yes, I know. was like.

Wendy (22:01.646)
So Andrew does try and break it down with him. see that he says to Cody, like, what would you say are the pros and cons of your lifestyle? And he's like, well, I had 18 kids with four wives. And Andrew said, well, do you see a downside to that? And he's like, yeah, there's been three divorces. Like, I never want to get married again. Yeah, I would say so.

Lori (22:25.197)
Yeah. And how about he said, certain things he won't own. And I was like, okay, so continue on. What are those? It was just weird. He just said certain things he won't own. I was like,

Wendy (22:32.76)
Yeah.

Wendy (22:43.768)
So an interesting thing is I was listening to a podcast today, Sarah Frazier. She does a lot of Sister Wives. She's like obsessed with Sister Wives. She's had them on her show before. And she was talking about this episode with Cody. And Christine, one of the Sister Wives, she just recently wrote a book and her daughter, McKelsey, is pretty close with Cody.

Like Cody calls her all the time and she's married and Cody's very, like he really likes McKelty and the husband. And he's always reaching out to McKelty and McKelty tries to hold him accountable for her siblings. Like, well, why aren't you reaching out to this one? Why aren't you reaching out to that one? And he tries to put it off like, well, this is the relationship I wanna have with you. And he kind of, you know, he kind of.

Lori (23:28.737)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (23:37.134)
at the end when they finally did bring him back, he kind of admitted that. Like, you know, if they, if they engage with me, then I will reciprocate it. So I know exactly, exactly, exactly. Right. No.

Lori (23:45.773)
But that's not how it works. That's not how it works.

He's like the worst father. Like having kids is not an equality battle. No, it's about getting your ass handed to you all the time. There's no, you know, you have to earn your kid's respect. There's just, that's, that's just wild. Wild.

Wendy (24:00.64)
Right. Right.

Wendy (24:15.68)
It is wild and I'll be honest with you. I thought for sure he was going to mention something about his son.

Lori (24:23.235)
Yeah, like how come you don't like say like that's the worst thing that's happened to you? Like how do you not say that? I don't know. Yeah, maybe, right.

Wendy (24:28.63)
Right. Right.

Unless he did and they didn't show it, I don't know. I don't know. So then they get called out, know, the DS has called them out again and they have a course out there waiting for them. This course is designed to get you to the best version of yourself through pain and through suffering. Okay. So the first two that are going is Brianna and Sean and

It was kind of a race, like they had to get to, they had to like run, they had to get to monkey bars and then they had to do the tire thing and like, like it was an obstacle course, right? So Sean won, so she was able to go back to the barracks. Then it was Randall and Andrew and Randall won, so he was able to go back to the barracks. Cody and Gia went together, but I don't think either one of them won cause he kept them both out there.

Lori (25:11.627)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (25:32.258)
Like they kept them both out there.

Lori (25:34.571)
Yeah, I was having trouble following the rules of that one. I'd have been like, give me better instructions. Give me better instructions on how this actually works.

Wendy (25:38.378)
Yeah, so then G and ang- I know.

I know. So then Gia and Andrew had to go against each other again, and then Andrew wins this time and he gets to go back to the barracks. Then Cody and Brianna go against each other and Cody wins this one and he gets to go back to the barracks. Now it's Gia and Brianna. So now they're doing this course for the third time, these two. Gia and Brianna. Yeah. So the DS says, whoever gets to the monkey bars first, it's critical.

Lori (26:07.382)
Ugh.

Wendy (26:14.932)
So Gia gets there first and she gets across it and Brianna keeps falling and Gia wins and she gets dismissed and she gets back to the barracks and she's like, it isn't fair, I'm stronger than she is. And Sean's like, nothing is fair, this is not about being fair. first of all, I really liked that Gia had that empathy for her.

Lori (26:38.795)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (26:39.426)
physically stronger. mean, she's a tiny, she's a tiny girl, but she's physically stronger because she's worked out so much. Like she's very much in shape, right?

Lori (26:47.339)
Yes. Yes. And I think she did a lot of gymnastics.

Wendy (26:51.384)
Yes, yes, yeah, through, yeah, yes. But I think she's continued to do it, you know, because she's in her twenties now and she's still in very good shape. As is her mother, by the way. I think her mother's in very good shape too. I mean, yeah.

Lori (26:52.717)
Matheo Jean.

Lori (26:57.131)
Yes, yes. Yeah.

Lori (27:04.108)
Mm-hmm. Cheers.

Wendy (27:09.654)
And I felt like Brianna was really trying and giving it her all. She just physically couldn't do it. I was very glad that the DS asked her, like, are you giving it everything you got? She's like, yeah, I am. am. he's like, she's like, I want to be here. I was very glad that they kept her there because I was afraid that they were going to cut her because I feel like they need to cut people. I was like, right. So I was very glad that she didn't get cut for that reason because I think that she's got more in her.

Lori (27:22.083)
Okay.

Lori (27:29.857)
Yeah. They just cut people, right? Right.

Wendy (27:38.988)
And I, you know.

Lori (27:39.555)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (27:43.939)
then Cody's telling Gia she's really good about her cleanliness. I mean, what the hell?

Lori (27:51.535)
That's cringe. It was so cringy. Very cringy. I'm thinking that he's a stinker. I'm thinking that he's not really utilizing his shower time, which is so rude in that type of environment when you have to have close quarters with other people. Rude.

Wendy (28:04.866)
That's... yes.

Wendy (28:10.434)
Yes.

Lori (28:14.199)
BOOF

Wendy (28:16.204)
So meanwhile, the DS's are in the back and they're talking about Cody and how everyone in the group hates him. And they all know him better than we do. So they're like, we're going to bring him back. But they do give him credit for an old guy. They say he's kind of doing OK physically. So they call him back. And he gets like that Jack Rabbit look again, like as soon as they call his number.

Lori (28:31.949)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (28:42.006)
He really is. really is. They ask him how he's feeling and he says that he's happy to be here. You he said he cherishes this challenge. Like, like, I thought that was an odd reaction, right?

Lori (28:55.841)
He's just weird. He's weird, weird, weird, weird.

Very weird. Now I have a question. I have a question for you and then for the audience. So do you think that the DS's bought that he was going to his taking ownership?

Wendy (29:04.909)
Yeah.

Wendy (29:09.687)
Okay.

Wendy (29:24.984)
that he's going to do it going forward.

Lori (29:25.527)
because yes, he's going to do a girl, like in that moment, you know.

Do you think that, because Diaz asked him if he feels that he is taking proper responsibility to the fallout over his kids. And Cody makes that I smell shit face and then does this little crying jag and thing. But so I want to know, do you think the Diaz's bought his bullshit? Because I think he was saying, I think he was saying what they wanted to hear.

Wendy (29:46.99)
Yeah.

Lori (30:03.107)
I think he was turning on the waterworks and I think he was saying what they want to hear.

Wendy (30:03.64)
Well,

Wendy (30:13.626)
I mean, I think that he owned it that I I think that he you know I think he said that I don't want to own my part in it and they said to him, you know, that's Immature like that's you need to own you're never gonna move forward Right adolescent exactly. You're never gonna move forward If you don't own your part in it

Lori (30:14.005)
I just don't feel like it was genuine.

Lori (30:27.711)
Right, it's a very adolescent way looking at things. Right.

Lori (30:37.571)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (30:38.208)
And they're like, nobody wants to take ownership. But you have to. There's a point in your life where you have to. I mean, whether or not he's going to do it, it's really up to him. don't know if they, you know, I think that he did take ownership in the fact that he doesn't take ownership. Right?

Lori (30:55.487)
Well, there you go. It's very good, Wendy. said, chicken fry told you you had to throw the bone. So very good. You threw the bone. Yes. We can give them that bone.

Wendy (31:05.216)
Right, right? I mean, I don't know. This guy is just, in my opinion, and this was the opinion I had before he started, is this guy is a tool. I think he's even a bigger tool than I thought he was before. just, I just, I don't, I just don't like him. I just don't like him.

Lori (31:27.863)
He, I just feel like he's, he's, I feel like he's so desperate for the approval of the DS's because he just, he, it's just all tied in with his masculinity that I, I just feel like he just told them what they wanted to hear. And I don't think that, I don't think that they made any progress in that thick noggin of his.

Wendy (31:55.114)
No, don't think I yeah, I mean, I don't know because then when he does get back to the tent

Wendy (32:05.876)
He goes back to the tent and he said that, you know, they're saying to me, just get over your facade and stop protecting yourself and be honest with yourself. And Andrew said to him, welcome to the game.

Lori (32:16.931)
But this is the thing, but even then he says that they were talking to him about not taking ownership of there's a part, he can't even say it.

Wendy (32:32.78)
Yeah.

Lori (32:33.943)
He can't even say it. And that's when Andrew said, you know, welcome to the end game. It's just, I don't know. He's just a piece of work, man. He's a piece of work.

Wendy (32:38.882)
Yeah. Yeah. I totally agree. I totally agree. So then Foxy goes in there, DS Foxy goes in and says, before you get, you know, you get, before you leave on operations and you're going to not have any communication with the outside world, there's going to be zero communication. So what we do is we write these in case of death letters. So this is going to be like,

in case, you know, God forbid the worst happens and you don't come back, this letter will be given to your family. Which that is a tough exercise. That is a tough exercise.

Lori (33:13.229)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (33:17.488)
very, very tough. Very tough.

Wendy (33:24.822)
So the DS says they're designed to open up the recruits and show their vulnerability and bring them closer together. Again, I think that if you really opened up, it definitely could bring you closer. So we get to the first one we hear, which is Cody's. And Cody writes, Dear Robin, love of my life. Please tell my children I had wanted more time to tell them. I love them.

Something big, I love them big time. wouldn't, I would have got it right if I had more time. If I had more time, I would have got it right. I would have fixed it. You were my rock through so much sadness. I'll see you in your dreams, sweet queen, my eternal love.

Lori (34:15.011)
you

Wendy (34:16.398)
That was not what the DS has told him to do. That was not it.

Lori (34:17.826)
It's cringy.

Lori (34:22.679)
No, no, no, he had the perfect opportunity. That's what I'm saying. He had the perfect opportunity to do exactly what the DS's were telling him to do. There was no apology there. There was no, fucked up. There was no, no, it's just all a big bond voyage with popping hearts and dreams. And it was just cringy.

Wendy (34:27.543)
Right.

Wendy (34:34.892)
Right. Right. There was no owning anything. There was no owning anything.

Wendy (34:47.735)
Yeah.

Wendy (34:51.694)
It was, it totally was. We heard Gia's next. She wrote, Mom, I wouldn't be the person I am today without you. I'm on this journey knowing you want me to go all the way and put my all into it. Don't sweat the small stuff. Thank you for letting me do me. I love you, Mom.

Lori (35:11.159)
And she didn't mention her dad or any of her siblings.

Wendy (35:13.676)
She did not mention her dead. No. I think that her and her mother are very close. think that honestly, I feel like her and her mother kind of co-parent.

Lori (35:20.683)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (35:27.233)
Yeah. I did. Absolutely. And I did notice Randall did not mention his wife.

Wendy (35:28.608)
you know, and I think she parents her mother as well.

Wendy (35:40.524)
Yes.

Lori (35:42.025)
And Sean and Anders were the best. The best. They were awesome. They're just such an awesome, awesome, awesome couple.

Wendy (35:45.268)
100%. 100%.

Wendy (35:55.062)
So Brianna wrote, Dad, my best pal, I think of you every single day and I thank you for making me exactly who I am. I hope it brought you as much joy as you brought me. Remember, there's always a silver lining. So I guess that must be some saying that they have.

Lori (36:09.867)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (36:11.662)
And Randall wrote to his kids, I feel terrible that I'm not gonna be here to watch you grow up, but even when I'm not there, I'm always right there. You can do whatever you want to do, just believe in yourself. Andrews honestly was the best. He wrote, Sean, I'm gonna leave you the same way I got you with a subpar over sappy poem. Some say they fall into love. I don't think that's right. I say we struggled into love. We both had a fight.

You choose to humbly be together nine years later, we're still choosing each other. I love you. You'll be fine without me and all my nonsense. I love you, bro. I love you, bro. Loved it. I loved it. And Sean wrote to Andrew, are my absolute, you are my absolute world, my best friend, my teammate in life and the greatest father.

Lori (36:49.965)
So cute. So cute.

Wendy (37:05.528)
to our beautiful babies. You're a greater man than you could ever know. I love you. Squeeze our babies for me, please, every single day. And to all three, I love you to the moon and back. Everything about you is absolutely perfect. You made me a mommy, and it's the greatest job I've ever had in my life. No matter what you do, I'll always love you. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect.

Lori (37:26.787)
Come on. Perfect. Yes. Perfect. And then, most definitely. Yeah.

Wendy (37:32.876)
I think that was the perfect way to end it, you know, with those, yeah. Yeah.

Lori (37:41.517)
So it's interesting. I like the show.

Wendy (37:44.95)
I do too. We'll have to wait and see what happens next week. It looks like they're going to get their butts kicked.

Lori (37:47.907)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, what?

What kind of buffoonery we can see next episode. Lord, it's too much.

Wendy (37:55.453)
Yes. Yep. I'll have to wait and see what happens.

It is too much. until... I absolutely, I love this show. I really love it. I'm actually gonna miss it.

Lori (38:02.765)
But it was a very good episode though, I thought, right? Don't you think it was a good episode?

Lori (38:11.34)
Yeah, I thought it was a good show.

Wendy (38:13.408)
I may go back and watch the other seasons to be quite honest with you that I missed and see like see what that's all about, you know? Yeah, yeah.

Lori (38:17.347)
Hmm.

Yeah, fair's good.

Wendy (38:26.104)
Alright, so until next time, thank you for watching and listening to We Why Whenever. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye.

Lori (38:33.367)
Bye.