Southerns Hospitality-Wiener Wars Begin! Republic Drama Explodes Again

Wendy (00:01.449)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.897)
I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:06.761)
We are talking about Southern Hospitality, season four, episode number one, Wiener Wars. It's okay.

Kelli (00:16.674)
I mean, I don't know. Well, I guess at the end. Okay. All right. All right. I got it. All right. Yeah.

Wendy (00:19.337)
Yeah, it's the end. It's the end, yeah. So we start out with them talking about the reunion was five months ago. And that's when at the reunion, night before the reunion, she found out that Trevor never cheated on her. Emmy and Will said that Bradley made it up so that, I don't know why he made it up. right, to get back at her. Yes, yes.

Kelli (00:43.458)
to get back at her. He did it to get back at her because the first season she said on air that he had gotten a blowjob in the alley not by his girlfriend. It was retaliatory. It was retaliatory.

Wendy (00:54.289)
Yes, that's correct. Yes, yes. So when Emmy is telling that, because, you know, Maddie starts talking about it on stage. So Will never went to the reunion last year, five months ago. Right.

Kelli (01:08.556)
He was there, he never came out. He was in the back room, but he never came out.

Wendy (01:14.023)
because his mental health couldn't take it. That's what she said. So then we find out that after the reunion, they're at the hotel and they overhear Emmy and Will talking in their room on the phone to Emmy's mom. And Bradley wrote down some of the things that they heard. We fed Maddie that information to make anything Bradley say look like it was a lie. They believed what I said about his mental health. And

Kelli (01:41.752)
We definitely played them.

Wendy (01:44.135)
Yes. So that's crazy. That's just crazy. That's crazy that one, that they did it and two, they're allowed to get a, that Emmy's allowed to get away with it.

Kelli (01:48.568)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (02:00.642)
Well, listen, Bradley got away with making up a whole storyline, getting some girl to come on camera and film with him to say that she actually kissed Matty's boyfriend. Because Matty's boyfriend had cheated on her prior to them filming this show. He had a history of infidelity. So it was easy to set him up for this. So Bradley got away with that. I mean, I don't know how these people call each other friends.

Wendy (02:16.957)
Right.

Wendy (02:27.687)
Yeah, yeah, I know.

Kelli (02:28.726)
It's a little crazy. And Maddie said, well, it comes up at the end, but she and Emmy weren't in a good place for a long time. So.

Wendy (02:38.268)
Right. Right.

Kelli (02:43.074)
I'll tell you what though, maybe Will cheated on Emmy, maybe he didn't. What I don't want is a whole other season to revolve around this though. We can't do another season of this. They're engaged. Right, and they're engaged. She's marrying him. Like get over it. TJ and Brad annoy me. Like Maddie and Emmy give main character energy. Bradley and TJ do not.

Wendy (02:53.735)
Now who cares?

Because Will isn't on it. Will's not on it.

Right. Right.

Kelli (03:13.718)
So, like, they just annoy me.

Wendy (03:17.543)
Yeah. So then after that, see six months later, they're all sitting around a table and Bradley's telling Emily that she stuck a knife in his back and kept turning it and turning it and pulling it out. And Emmy's sitting there like crying and breaking down. So that leads me to believe this is one month into filming, that that scene happens, right? So then we go back, like, you know, kind of have to figure it out. And they're all at Republic.

Kelli (03:43.896)
Yeah.

Wendy (03:45.665)
And we see them like walking in and Emmy says in her confessional that, you know, since New York, she doesn't talk to TJ and Brad at all. And Maddie said she hasn't been around Republic because she's been on a 40 plus show tour. Then we meet Justin, who is a new VIP host and Michaels congratulates him on his first sale. What's his sale? A bottle? Like, what does a VIP host sell?

Kelli (04:11.982)
I guess like or table maybe like he got somebody to buy a table like who was just there in the general public. Yeah

Wendy (04:16.029)
Okay.

Okay. Right.

And then we see them working. So they're all working together. They're in Republic together. And Bradley's talking to TJ. And he said, you know, we went on a long walk. And he was listening to the podcast again. And then we find out that Will and I didn't know this, that Will and Emmy were on the Vile files. And Nick said to them, like, do you like?

Kelli (04:29.688)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (04:50.377)
Do you really think any of your castmates are evil? And Will said, well, yeah, Bradley, he enjoys inflicting pain on others. And he's like, yeah, and he's so good at lying. I was like, I guess that happened after the reunion?

Kelli (05:09.014)
Yeah, I would imagine it did, yeah.

Wendy (05:09.681)
I don't know. I hope they don't keep doing stuff like this. Bravo was doing this with the podcast. I mean, not Bravo, Housewives was doing this with the podcast. Now, Southern Hospitalities bringing podcasts into this.

Kelli (05:20.15)
Yep. Right.

Yeah, nobody should be taught like do an interview. I don't know I guess there's a fine line and we don't get people like that on our show so we can be very We're very unbiased we're we're we're biased we have our opinions, but we're unbiased towards You know who I don't I'm not explaining it right You know what I mean? Like we're not gonna have we're not gonna have somebody on our show and be like, yeah, you're right

Wendy (05:45.883)
Right, I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. Yeah.

Kelli (05:52.665)
just because they're on our show. We're not gonna do that. Like we have our opinions and we stick to them. I don't think that Bravo, like you said, like they shouldn't be going on podcasts talking about their cast mates. It's just messy, especially when it's off season, then we have to see flashbacks and it's just, it's messy. And it's hard to keep up with for old people like us.

Wendy (05:56.019)
Right.

Wendy (06:13.99)
Right.

Wendy (06:18.279)
Right, especially, it's hard to keep, yes, and especially since Will isn't even coming back, right? He's not back on this season. So then TJ says that when Emmy was on that podcast that she insinuated that he took advantage of Joe when he passed out. Because the whole scene that happened last year when Joe and TJ were talking and...

Kelli (06:42.594)
right. TJ thought Joe was making a move.

Wendy (06:46.033)
Right. Right. Right.

Kelli (06:46.766)
and Joe said he was drunk. Now I didn't listen to the podcast, but did TJ insinuate that Joe made a move on him? So isn't that TJ insinuating that Joe was a predator?

Wendy (07:02.311)
Well, no, I don't think so. I don't think that that's

Kelli (07:05.452)
Like isn't he mad at me for doing the same thing he kinda did or no?

Wendy (07:10.153)
don't think so because I don't think he's in, I think that he was getting mixed signals, right? I think he was getting mixed, I think that's what he, I think that's what his complaint was. Like he thought that his friendship was something that it wasn't. And I don't know. I don't know specifically though. But Brad, yeah, Bradley then says like he, you know, he feels bad about the lying, you know, about Maddie's ex boyfriend and cheating, but.

Kelli (07:29.164)
and I don't know if I buy it.

Wendy (07:39.461)
He apologized to Maddie at the reunion and he said, you know, we're good. And then two seconds later, Maddie's like, Brad and I are not good. I was like, wait, what? Okay. Okay. So she's like, since the reunion, he hasn't reached out at all. He hasn't tried to make amends. I don't think he realizes the magnitude. And I'm like, okay.

Kelli (07:46.402)
Bye.

Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (08:02.37)
Yeah, I mean, it's great that he apologized and took accountability. I totally give him credit for that. But if you haven't talked to her and you haven't had any additional conversations, I mean, I feel like an additional conversation would probably be helpful. I mean, saying we're good, you know, we could say that about anybody, but I think an additional conversation probably would have been better than not.

Wendy (08:24.637)
Right.

Wendy (08:29.927)
Well, this is what I mean, I could be wrong, but this is what I think possibly happened is that after the reunion, he apologized and she said everything was good. Then she went on tour and they didn't really see each other until they started filming. And that's when Maddie came back. And meanwhile, it's been on her mind this whole time and Bradley had no idea because she wasn't around. how is he gonna have a conversation? It's not something you're gonna text.

Kelli (08:45.1)
Right. Right.

Kelli (08:58.978)
Right, right.

Wendy (09:00.113)
You know what I'm saying? Like it seems like this is what happened.

Kelli (09:01.946)
Or maybe prior to filming, one of them should have reached out to the other one and been like, listen, where, like, where are we? Do we need to talk before this?

Wendy (09:08.669)
Well, I think Joe should have done it because Joe knew that Maddie felt away about it. And Bradley had no idea.

Kelli (09:16.622)
Yeah, like this is the problem that we think they're all friends. Clearly they're not. Because they're not communicating with each other unless they're being recorded and getting paid to do so. That's not friends.

Wendy (09:35.857)
Right. So then we see Molly shows up at Republic and she's like, if you would have asked me a year ago that my life is where it is now, I would have cried and laughed. She's like, she no longer works at Republic. She said there was personal stuff with Michaels and he used bullshit reasons to get me fired. And then I'm like, what the heck is going on here? Because then all of a sudden Lake sees Molly.

come in and she immediately runs back to tell Michaels. I was like, okay. Michaels.

Kelli (10:10.99)
Okay, so Molly asks Lake to have a side conversation with her. She was not screaming at her. She was not being aggressive. She was being a little snarky. She was not being aggressive. But she was not being aggressive or screaming. The way Lake communicated that conversation to Michaels, I don't think Michaels should have reacted the way he did.

Wendy (10:19.389)
Right.

Wendy (10:26.777)
she was being snarky. She was being snarky.

Kelli (10:40.012)
He was over the top, but I don't know if he would have been so over the top had Lake not said, screamed at me.

Wendy (10:49.107)
Well, I think too because Michaels came out and saw Lake talking to Molly and he was mad because she's supposed to be working at the door. So he's telling Lake, you need to get back to work. I think, right, I think what I'm saying is I think she was covering for what happened, why she wasn't at her post where she was supposed to be.

Kelli (10:56.174)
Okay.

Kelli (11:00.247)
Right.

Kelli (11:04.339)
And then she said she screamed at me. She did not.

Kelli (11:16.681)
right.

Wendy (11:17.801)
Do know what I'm saying? I think that's why it got blown up that way. And he was already heated that she was even there. Yeah, he was.

Kelli (11:24.344)
Yeah, he was jacked up about it. But Lake, Lake was the problem in this situation.

Wendy (11:30.309)
I think so too. I think so too. So, and then meanwhile we see Lev over there talking to Molly and Lev is like, you you're still family. Like it's okay. Like it didn't, you know, it didn't work out.

Kelli (11:45.282)
was a prior conversation she had with her that they flashed back to? I don't think that that was the same evening. Was it?

Wendy (11:52.531)
thought it was, I thought it was because Leva's talking to her and she said, you know, I know stuff got difficult here, meaning at the club. She's like, you know, you have so much potential, you obviously are already successful because she was, we find out she's working a full-time job event planning, right?

Kelli (12:02.444)
Okay.

Kelli (12:11.982)
Yeah, and she was doing that last year when she was on the show too. Yeah.

Wendy (12:15.489)
Right, right. And what Leva said is that, you know, in her confessional, she said, you know, she was switching shifts a lot. And eventually that's going to be a problem. So I guess that's why she wound up getting fired. Right?

Kelli (12:29.378)
Yeah, I mean, listen, Michael's probably had something to do with it, but whatever.

Wendy (12:34.985)
I know that he did, like he said, I don't know if he has that much power.

Kelli (12:38.262)
Right, well that's true. mean, Lev is not letting other people call the shots.

Wendy (12:40.713)
Yeah, mean, even, right. And even when, you know, when he went back and Leva was talking to him and he was, you know, crying, he was really upset. I mean, he was really, first of all, I thought she handled it so well.

Kelli (12:52.994)
Yeah, for sure.

She's such a good boss. She's such a good boss. Yeah.

Wendy (12:58.153)
She really is. Yeah. I thought she handled it so well. And, you know, she made her point. She was kind. She was caring. You know, she gave him a hug. She offered him a hug several times. But she said, listen, you know what? You can't explode like this and be a manager here. Like, this is a business I'm running. You know? And I think she did a great job. But she

Kelli (13:14.318)
you did.

Wendy (13:28.009)
The fact that she said that to him also leads me to believe that there's no way that he got Molly fired. There's no way. I don't think he has that power. I don't think he does.

Kelli (13:40.27)
Listen, I didn't really like Molly last year. I didn't like Molly or Lake last year. I didn't think they brought anything last year.

Wendy (13:52.595)
so then what happens?

Kelli (13:58.255)
Emmy and Maddie do a float spa. I really want to do this. There's one right next to salon centric.

Wendy (14:02.459)
Okay. I know there is, but would you want to be in a pod with somebody else? I would not.

Kelli (14:09.782)
No, I would not, when Maddie jumped in, I was like, what is going on? I would want to do that by myself. That is not relaxing.

Wendy (14:13.097)
I thought so too! No! No it is not! I was like, my god, why is she getting in there with her?

Kelli (14:23.982)
No, I totally agree with that.

Wendy (14:30.153)
And then they start, then they go in the sauna after the float spa and they're talking and Maddie, know, Emmy says, well, how are things going with you and Joe? And she's like, yeah, he's ready to get a house and get married and have kids. And she's like, getting married is like, it scares the shit out of me. Like, I don't know that, you know, I'm ready for that. And they are young, they are young. And Emmy's like, well, I'm getting married. And she's like, no, no, I'm happy for you.

Kelli (14:50.968)
They're so young.

Wendy (14:58.941)
for you that's good but that that's all Emmys ever wanted that's all Emmys ever wanted so yeah right

Kelli (15:05.506)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (15:10.033)
We find out that they got engaged in France, her and Will.

Kelli (15:18.188)
I'm rooting for those two. I really am rooting for Emmy and Will. I know I always have. I don't know why.

Wendy (15:18.525)
She also t- I know you are.

Kelli (15:27.15)
I like her. I was her. I think that's why I'm rooting for her.

Wendy (15:31.914)
Mm. Yeah, and I feel like, listen, I...

I feel sorry for her. I feel sorry for her. Because I think Will's going to screw her over. I don't think Will is a good guy. It's just my gut.

Kelli (15:46.775)
I think maybe he wasn't in the past, but I do think that now, look at her, like she stopped drinking, her body is banging. She's on a show by herself now, cause he's not even on it anymore. She's holding her own. She's making it like, listen, he could do whatever he wants to do and walk away. She's, she's the one in the public eye. She's going to, she's going to do well no matter what. And I think that maybe.

that makes him respect her a little bit more. And I'm not agreeing with this if this is the way it is, I'm not agreeing with this, but maybe before he did kind of just look at her like somebody who just wanted to marry him because he was gonna be a lawyer and she wanted to marry a lawyer. You know what I mean? Like she wants to be the stay at home mom with a lawyer husband and live in a big house and raise kids and maybe.

Wendy (16:20.329)
Maybe. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (16:39.574)
now that she's got all this other stuff going on, he kind of looks at her a little bit differently. I'm not saying that's right or that I agree with it, I'm just saying maybe that's what's going on now.

Wendy (16:50.003)
I mean, that's possible, it's possible. But Maddie again talks about like how she was physically sick and she's got like this crippling anxiety. That's a problem. Like that's a problem. why would you, first of all, why would you allow yourself to go through this for five months? Like, I don't know.

Kelli (17:00.398)
Yeah, that's a big problem.

Kelli (17:10.792)
She was on tour. mean, you can obviously do therapy via virtual, but she was on tour. It might've been difficult, but yeah, that's a, mean, I listen. I don't have anxiety, but I know plenty. know enough people who do where it's, it is, it really is crippling. It's very difficult to watch from the outside. So I can't imagine how it feels to be in it.

Wendy (17:29.979)
No, I know, I agree. I know, I agree. And I just feel bad that she had to suffer five months, you know?

Kelli (17:36.195)
Yeah.

Kelli (17:40.396)
I mean this guy, although maybe not the best guy in the world, Trevor, but he got publicly humiliated on national television. He really did.

Wendy (17:49.289)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (17:50.625)
I mean, Brad brought some girl on to lie and say that like, that's wild. That's crazy.

Wendy (17:57.927)
Yeah, it is wild. It is. It is. So the next thing we see is all the boys meet up for a boys night.

I thought this, first of all, I like Justin, the new guy, like Justin. We find out a little bit about him. Justin has a history with Charleston. He lived there in 2019 and he spent some time in Boston, LA, Sydney, Australia. And he...

Kelli (18:14.413)
Me too.

Kelli (18:28.952)
Did you notice how his look changed depending on where he lived? Very good looking guy though. And I agree, if he groomed his hair better, he would be a Charleston 10.

Wendy (18:33.225)
Yes, I did. I did. I did.

Wendy (18:43.591)
Yeah, yeah. So he was in a relationship, the relationship ended and he was at a crossroads. So he said, you know what, I'm gonna go south. So that's how he wound up back in Charleston. And he said, yeah, he's friends with TJ and he called TJ, told him he was moving back. He said, got myself, I got some abs, I got a new haircut. And like I said, we see all these different pictures of him and he looks totally different, but I thought he looked

Kelli (18:54.988)
And he's friends with TJ, he said, right?

Kelli (19:04.951)
Yeah.

Wendy (19:13.425)
I thought it looked the best in Charleston. I thought it looked good.

Kelli (19:16.046)
Yeah, the first picture they showed of him in Charleston for sure. Yeah, like do your hair like that. I mean, listen, Justin, do whatever you want, but we thought the first picture of Charleston was very good.

Wendy (19:20.828)
Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

Yes. I thought it was funny when the producer, cause when Michael said that, you know, he's a Charleston eight, but he could go to a Charleston 10, the producer said to Michael's, well, if Justin's a Charleston eight, then what are you? He's like, I'm a Charl, I'm an 11. I was like, yeah.

Kelli (19:48.428)
He certainly is. Michael's is adorable.

Wendy (19:55.419)
So then the next thing that happens with Justin, he's like, he's telling the guys that he had to reveal something like really personal to his mom. And she's sitting there and she's like, yeah, Justin, know you're gay. And he's like, how long you been sitting on that?

Kelli (20:09.07)
Ha ha ha.

He's like, actually I'm not. But how cool of his mom, how cool of his mom to do that, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (20:14.985)
Yeah. And then Joe Bradley said, yes, yes, that's hysterical. I mean, that's, that's hysterical. And then Joe Bradley jumps in. He's like, my dad was the same way I used to play dress up in preschool. And he's like, my dad said, oh shit, he might be gay. And he's like, no, I just like chicks. And then Joe said, they don't, they want to got really good at artwork. My dad's like, oh, he might be gay again. I was like, wait, what?

Kelli (20:44.076)
The best was TJ. He's like, wait a minute. I'm not the one that started that rumor. His dad is.

Wendy (20:49.701)
It was his dad, right. But I will say when they were laughing, like they were all hysterically, like it was a real laugh. It was real laughter and it was like a real boys night. And I, at that point, I really enjoyed seeing that. It was nice. Yeah, because then comes the next hard part where Joe said, know, we're doing good, but you know, Maddie had a really, you know, hard year, like.

Kelli (20:57.91)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (21:03.16)
Yeah.

It was nice. That's what we like to say.

Wendy (21:18.867)
Brad's like, well, what made it hard? He's like, honestly, it's you and TJ. Like, she's not OK. She's having constant breakdowns. That text traumatized her.

You could see Bradley had no idea. You could see he, I mean, it's not like he was faking it. He didn't know.

Kelli (21:41.26)
Yeah, yeah, I could, yeah, you could tell. He was just like, like, just like you said, he just had no idea.

Wendy (21:51.143)
Yeah, so, you know, Brett's like, what do I have to do? Like, what is it you want me to do? He's like, well, I want you to make amends and apologize. He's like, okay, all right, if that's what you want, but.

Kelli (22:07.374)
But he did say, I made amends with Maddie. What do I need to do? Kiss the ground she walks on? I mean, I just feel like, I feel like part of all of this is that TJ and Brad aren't mean characters. They're just not. They're side characters in this show. And I think that they feel a certain way about that, quite honestly. And I think that that's why

They did do what they did with Maddie and they did do what they did with Emmy and Will. I mean, the chances are Will was guilty, but still, I think that they're doing this because they're not getting the attention that they think they deserve, I guess. I mean, Brad going after Maddie was definitely retaliatory because she said what she said, but I don't know. just, I really do feel like Brad and TJ resent the fact that

Like Joe, Maddie, Emmy, they're just bigger characters on this show.

Wendy (23:11.741)
Well, I definitely think TJ is petty. TJ is petty. He's always been petty. He's just petty.

Kelli (23:14.412)
Yeah, he's very petty. Yeah.

Wendy (23:21.779)
I think that the fact that Joe Bradley got what he's always wanted bothers them. I do. I mean, because Joe was one of the boys. Like he was one of the boys. he always, and he's a player, but he always pined after Maddie. That's what he wanted. He always wanted Maddie. And the fact that he got Maddie, yes, the fact that he got Maddie, think it kind of bothers them. And it also bothers them that

Kelli (23:29.442)
Yeah, yeah, I think you're right.

Kelli (23:34.912)
Right. And he was a player.

Kelli (23:43.544)
from season one. Yeah.

Wendy (23:51.941)
They're okay with Will and Emmy.

Kelli (23:54.317)
Right, right, that Joe and Maddie are okay with Will and Emmy. Yes.

Wendy (23:55.613)
So.

Wendy (23:59.665)
Right. Because they're not okay with Will and Emmy. And Will and Emmy were a part of it too. But like you said at the end, know, Maddie says, I wasn't close with them. You and I were close. We were tight. So, you know, and she's right. She's absolutely right.

Kelli (24:21.474)
Listen, it obviously served Will and Maddie well to give Maddie, I'm sorry, Will and Emmy well to give Maddie that information before the reunion. It served them well. But the bottom line is, they told her the truth when Brad and TJ never did. Brad and TJ would have taken that to their grave.

Wendy (24:36.679)
Right. Right. Right. Exactly. Exactly.

Kelli (24:42.414)
And ultimately it was Brad, but TJ was definitely, you know, cosigning and riding shotgun for that whole season.

Wendy (24:50.525)
Yes.

Wendy (24:55.975)
No, I agree. Then we see Molly meets up with Michaels in the park. I mean, I was shocked by this whole thing, to be quite honest with you.

Wendy (25:10.045)
I think Michaels was wrong. I think he was totally wrong. think that Molly was friends with Preston. introduced, I mean, she was friends with Michaels too, but Preston was her friend, I think, first. And I think that Michaels did probably cheat on him. I do think that that's what happened.

Kelli (25:27.734)
I you probably started getting a lot of attention from the show, a lot of DMs. know, listen, we know how this works now. Now we know how this works. Yeah, I agree. I agree.

Wendy (25:31.633)
Yeah. Yeah.

Right.

Wendy (25:40.393)
Yeah. So she stood by, you know, she stood by her friend and listen, think it's great that they apologize, that they both apologize and that they're gonna move forward. I think, I don't think we're gonna ever hear about this again. Let's hope that that's the case. Right.

Kelli (25:50.552)
Yeah.

Kelli (25:57.419)
I hope not. I hope not. And it is a shame because Michael's impressed and I thought, because didn't he end the season dating him? Yeah, like they were cute. They were a very cute couple. So it is a shame, but I agree. I think he started getting the DMs and you know, it is what it is.

Wendy (26:04.987)
Yes, yes.

Wendy (26:09.298)
Yeah.

Wendy (26:14.587)
Right. Right.

Wendy (26:22.249)
Then we find out it's Sir Wieners. Yeah, it's their first anniversary. And we find out that it has grown a lot. It's been on talk shows. It's been in magazines. They have a full line of merchandise. And TJ said, I never imagined a revenge business named after my ex's penis would turn into a huge empire. Yeah, I guess so.

Kelli (26:22.722)
Then we go to the wiener part.

Kelli (26:48.11)
that's where the name came from? that's hysterical. I did not hear him say that, but I was so happy to see Grace Lilly.

Wendy (26:52.489)
Yeah, I was like,

Yes, yes, especially after what happened.

Kelli (26:59.906)
I love Grace Lilly. For some reason she reminds me of Joe's girlfriend, who I also love. She's just adorable.

Wendy (27:05.509)
Yes.

She is adorable. We find out Mia's in Hawaii with her boyfriend Troy possibly being proposed to but they have a cardboard cutout of Mia.

Kelli (27:19.992)
gets knocked down eventually.

Wendy (27:22.191)
Yes, she does. Have you watched Summer House at all? Summer House is so good. You really should watch it. Summer House, I think it was Kyle. I think it was Kyle did cardwood cutouts of all of them. It's so funny how these cardwood cutouts wind up throughout the house. Yeah, you would like it. No, no, the people that are there. There's one of Kyle, there's one.

Kelli (27:40.221)
really? Like of people who've left the show? the people that are on the show. I'm kind of boycotting Summer House. And I'm sure Amanda and Kyle really are separated this year, but they say it every year. And I feel like they say it every year to get people to watch the show. And I'm just kind of over, I'm over Kyle and Amanda. If Kyle and Amanda were off the show, I would watch it. I still love seeing Carl.

I still like seeing Lindsay and I'm not even that big of a Lindsay fan. And whoever else they bring up, I really don't love West and Jessie, but I would watch it. I would watch it. I really can't stand Kyle and Amanda. Mostly Kyle, but I feel like she just, listen, she knew what she was doing. She knew what she was signing up for. I don't wanna hear it. I know I don't.

Wendy (28:27.987)
You are so tough. You really give no one any grace. You said the same thing with Brittany and Jax, which by the way, Valley's coming back.

Kelli (28:35.468)
Yes, she- We were talking about it at the salon today. Cannot wait.

Wendy (28:43.057)
Okay, so that you can't wait for. I love the valley.

Kelli (28:45.716)
the valley, I'm here for, for sure. Let me ask you something, do you really think Sheena, and I know that that guy, the producer, whoever he is, not Carlos King, the other guy, she really turned it down. Why would she turn this down?

Wendy (28:54.555)
Yes, she turned it down. Alex Baskin.

She told, she talked about it because she got to a point, she actually called up Lin, she called up Paige. Did she call it Paige or Lindsay? No, she's Lindsay. So she's very good friends with Lindsay. Sheena Shay is very good friends with Lindsay because Lindsay was on her podcast. And after watching what Paige did and stepped away from Summer House and where she was at and where

Sheena was at with her career and with her book coming out and you know with where she was at she just felt like she needed to take a step back and Alex said if she she's welcome to come back anytime she wants Yeah, the doors always open

Kelli (29:45.859)
Yeah, the door is always open. feel like, and this is no shade, but I'm not a huge Sheena fan. I'm actually not a big Paige fan either, but I feel like Paige had a lot more going on career-wise than Sheena does. Sheena put a book out with lies. Lies. he did not cheat on her, stop. Please. he did not cheat on her.

Wendy (29:54.844)
I know that.

Wendy (30:06.761)
I don't think they're lies.

Wendy (30:12.64)
yes he did.

Kelli (30:15.79)
I would, he did not cheat on her. There's no way. She's so full of shit, she's just trying to sell books. There's no way. I think Paige had way more going on career-wise. Rightfully so.

Wendy (30:25.737)
I think you cheated, Honor.

Wendy (30:31.683)
she does, but Sheena has a child and a husband. Paige was single. You know? Like, I mean, it's not just about career.

Kelli (30:38.274)
Yeah, yeah, but I'm saying for Paige to walk away from the show, she had a lot more to fall back on. I don't feel like Sheena does.

Wendy (30:46.843)
Again, I definitely think Paige's career is way more successful than Sheena's, but what I'm saying is Sheena has different priorities. She has a husband and a child. So that-

Kelli (30:59.598)
Right, but to sustain her lifestyle, she has to have means of an income.

Wendy (31:03.911)
She has a podcast, she has a book. I mean, she has means. I'm not saying she doesn't have means. She also did do, her and Brock were on a sitcom. She did say she wants to get back into acting. So, I mean, she wanted to take a break.

Kelli (31:18.424)
She's really good at it, she really should.

Wendy (31:21.565)
You're so mean. You're being mean. You're being a mean girl. Stop being a mean girl. So I think it's so funny. Yeah, I think you're so funny. You make me laugh. What about Grace Lilly doing tarot card reading and she keeps dropping the cards? That was like... Okay.

Kelli (31:25.454)
She is the worst. She is the worst. Alright, alright. Alright, let's get back to Southern hospitality.

Kelli (31:43.35)
I know, because I know they're bad. when she said, first of all, she did say that a minister was doing her nails.

Kelli (31:54.703)
She 100 % said that. And I don't know who it was, but they were like, wait a minute, was the minister doing your nails? Well, the minister was in the nail place. They're not supposed to be good, tarot cards. know, the whole psychic thing and medium and it's not, right, right. It's not, you know, it's bad juju, but she's so damn cute. Like, let her do her tarot cards. She's so damn cute, Grace Hill.

Wendy (32:10.811)
Right. You don't need a minister to tell you that.

Wendy (32:22.973)
Yeah.

Kelli (32:24.6)
But she did keep dropping them. I don't know what that means. I feel like it can't be good.

Hmm

Wendy (32:34.803)
Then we see Maddie and Joe are in the car on the way to go there and Maddie's like doing these deep breathing exercises trying to control herself. And she's not as upset that Bradley and TJ are gonna be there as she is that Bradley and TJ gave Joe a hard time at boys night. That's what she's upset about.

Kelli (32:56.194)
The defensiveness, the combativeness.

Wendy (32:58.377)
Right. Yes, that was her word, combative. I didn't realize that she had to work it. Like, that was a little much. Right? Like, that was a little much.

Kelli (33:11.256)
I agree. Yeah, I feel like you probably could have gotten other people to work it if she felt a certain way about it.

Wendy (33:17.613)
Yeah. And Leva's there and she admits that, you know, she was a little skeptical of the idea, but she's proud of him that he's doing so well and it's good for her business too. So that's great.

Kelli (33:29.282)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (33:31.017)
And Maddie and Emmy are both there serving the wieners. And there's a new wiener called the Cheater Wiener. And Maddie thinks it's about cheating, but TJ says it's about cheating on your diet. No, because like Maddie said, all the wieners are named after people.

Kelli (33:49.922)
Well.

Kelli (33:55.521)
Now he's full of shit.

Kelli (34:01.109)
Yeah, and even the description, I should have written it down, but he wrote loyalty. It was definitely about Will, it was a dig, it wasn't nice. But that's TJ.

Wendy (34:12.135)
Yeah, no. Right, we, no, is petty. TJ is petty. Listen, I honestly have never been a fan of TJ's. I really haven't. I haven't. We find out Bradley has a girlfriend. Her name is Julia. They've been together almost a year. And Emmy is the one who encouraged Julia to date Bradley, which is interesting.

Kelli (34:17.964)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (34:23.819)
Mm, no.

Kelli (34:39.788)
Yeah, prior to everything, right?

Wendy (34:41.255)
Right? Yes.

Kelli (34:45.026)
He- she worked at his gym.

Wendy (34:48.061)
They, yes. Yes, I think so. So Maddie's out there like really dissing the hot dogs, saying they're gonna make you sick. They don't taste good. Then she knocks over the cardboard cut out of Mia. And you see TJ watching her the whole time. And I'm like, gosh, this is, yeah. Then.

Kelli (35:09.634)
He's like, what is she doing?

Wendy (35:16.645)
It's over and then Joe asked Maddie if she's going to the after party. TJ goes over and thanks Emmy and Maddie for working today because he knows that they didn't want to do that, which I thought that was nice for TJ.

Kelli (35:29.544)
Agree, I agree. Yes

Wendy (35:35.655)
And then Maddie says, you know, there's been plenty of times where you could have apologized for conspiring with Bradley and Mia. And TJ said, well, how am I involved? Like, and Will were there too. Like, why is it just me you're saying this to? And Maddie said, well, her and I weren't friends at the time. You and I were. And then Joe comes over. He's like, I heard my name.

then he jumps into it.

Wendy (36:11.143)
Then Julia feels the need to jump into it. I mean, yeah, Julia, what were you doing, Julia?

Kelli (36:14.392)
Bad move. Bad move, Julia.

Yeah, slow your roll. Slow your roll.

Wendy (36:24.177)
Yeah, that wasn't gonna go well.

Kelli (36:27.468)
Mm-mm. I didn't like how Maddie started making fun of her though, because she was trying to make a point. She was probably nervous. She was on camera for the first time. She, you know, stuttered a little bit. I didn't like how Maddie made fun of her though.

Wendy (36:42.479)
No, I didn't either. I didn't either. Yeah.

Kelli (36:44.002)
That wasn't nice. I mean, what she said about her and her confessional was very funny. Like she wasn't even born yet. You know, the whole thing about her being young, funny, but don't make fun of her stuttering. She was probably nervous.

Wendy (36:58.395)
Yeah. Yeah, she probably was nervous. And if she wasn't nervous and she really does have a stutter, then that's even more of reason not to make, right, exactly, exactly. Right, because we don't know, because we've never met her before. Like this is first time we're meeting her.

Kelli (37:05.216)
Ugh, it's even worse.

Even worse. Yeah.

Kelli (37:14.678)
Right. Right.

Wendy (37:18.173)
And that's pretty much where it ends.

Kelli (37:20.526)
So I have to ask you though, because I'm watching this on Peacock, right? But you know how when Peacock starts, once in the little corner it says, you know, next episode or coming up next, you can't rewind anymore on Peacock. So I thought I heard something. Then I went to my DVR and I fast forwarded to the end of the episode and it wasn't there.

TJ says he could ruin Maddie's year and then he says something else on Peacock, but it wasn't in my DVR. And it was something about Joe Bradley. But Maddie keeps saying she and Emmy were not in a good place and then he says something, I could ruin your whole year. And I could swear he said something about your boyfriend and she went crazy.

Wendy (38:17.449)
Kelli (38:18.114)
but it was on Peacock, it wasn't in my DVR, and I couldn't rewind it.

Wendy (38:23.229)
and I didn't watch it on Peacock, I watched it in the DVR. I mean, I wonder...

Kelli (38:26.584)
So you wouldn't have heard any of it. So you saw her say, we weren't in a good place. Maddie and Emmy weren't in a good place, but Maddie says to TJ, but you and I weren't in a good place. And he's like, were we? Were we though? I could ruin your whole year. And then he says something about your boyfriend and she goes crazy.

Maybe they'll open next week's episode with it, but listeners, if anybody knows what he said, please tell us, because I totally missed it. So you watched it on the DVR.

Wendy (38:55.655)
Yeah.

Wendy (39:00.157)
Yeah, definitely.

I watched it in the DVR, yeah, I didn't watch it on Peacock.

Kelli (39:04.608)
It wasn't on there, it was only on Peacock, but I couldn't hear what he said and I couldn't rewind. I guess I could just put it back on Peacock and fast forward to the end, but I'm kind of lazy people, I'm not gonna lie. If you guys just want to type it into the comments, I'd appreciate it.

Wendy (39:14.823)
Yes, you could.

Wendy (39:23.433)
Yeah, because Julia does, do have Julia said, you walked up to Bradley and said, let's squash the beef. Maddie said, that never happened. That never happened. So that's.

Kelli (39:36.174)
I mean, why are every, like, well, you know what? You can't even say Maddie was drunk and said that, because she doesn't drink. Because you know when you're drunk, you're like, I love you, you know? But she doesn't drink, so she doesn't have those moments, and Emmy doesn't drink.

Wendy (39:45.02)
No.

Wendy (39:53.577)
right. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (39:58.339)
Which is probably why the two have bonded for so long, you know, now.

Wendy (39:58.633)
I wonder if just-

Wendy (40:02.299)
Yeah, yeah. I wonder how much we're going to see Grace Lilly. You know, she was arrested this past summer, wasn't it this past summer?

Kelli (40:10.88)
yeah. For happy pills or something? I don't mean to laugh, but she's just so damn cute.

Wendy (40:15.017)
Something yeah, no, but I Mean she's a little bit out there. She's very she's very wavy gravy, baby, baby,

Kelli (40:21.902)
Yeah, I just don't... She's very wavy, baby. Very wavy, baby. And I wouldn't want her any other way. She is. She is. Yeah.

Wendy (40:31.241)
She's very pretty too. She's a very pretty girl. She's very pretty. Yeah, so we're gonna have to wait and see what happens. I do like this show, I do. But I also like Summer House and I also like The Valley. And I did watch the whole, it took me a while, but I did watch the whole Valley Persian style. I really like that. I know you won't watch it because you don't like Gigi. I don't like.

Kelli (40:41.976)
idea.

Kelli (40:53.922)
You dead, huh?

Kelli (40:57.934)
I'm not into GG.

Wendy (40:59.751)
I don't like Gigi either, but she's not the whole show. I really love MJ. MJ, no, she's not MJ anymore. Mercedeh, Mercedeh. That's her real Persian way to say her name. I love Vida. I love her mother Vida. I do like Reza. I am a Reza fan. I love Adam. I love Reza's husband Adam. And it's so funny to me, like Adam is actually like, Gigi's like his, like,

Kelli (41:02.574)
I

Kelli (41:19.176)
yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (41:27.271)
BFF like he ride or dies for Gigi, which I think is so funny because they are so opposite. Yes. Yes You should watch you should watch you should watch valley Persian style. You really should I'm telling you you would like it

Kelli (41:31.148)
Really?

Yeah, that's interesting to me.

Kelli (41:43.682)
Maybe I'll try it if I have nothing to do one day. What do you think about Southern Charm? Did you watch the latest episode?

Wendy (41:46.729)
You

Wendy (41:51.401)
I gave up on Southern Charm. I didn't finish watching the season. I gave up on it. I just feel like the men are boys and the girls are so young and petty and the whole thing that was going on with Sally and Charlie and like...

Kelli (41:54.113)
you did. Okay.

Wendy (42:15.917)
Austin and Craig. like, I just, I don't know. Like, it's just annoying to me. I just feel like it's annoying. I know I saw Craig stormed off. Like, he stormed off.

Kelli (42:23.0)
Here's my takeaway.

Kelli (42:27.242)
Here's my thing, I love Southern Charm and it has become about the boys. Shep, Austin, Whitney and Craig, these are the boys. And now there's Whitner on the show, who I really like. The show has become about the boys and I'm okay with that. Craig should not drink. Craig should never have gone back to drinking when he and Paige broke up. And I know he was upset and I know that that's what people do.

But get your shit together now, Craig, because you just should not drink. You're not a good drinker. There are good drinkers, there are bad drinkers, you're a bad drinker. I'm not saying you have a drinking problem, you're just a bad drinker. Don't do it. Sally?

Wendy (43:03.721)
It's interesting because do you remember? Remember when Shep was like really bad at BravoCon and Austin and Craig were mad at Shep and they stopped talking to him because of his drinking?

Kelli (43:18.84)
They didn't want to enable him anymore. Their words.

Wendy (43:21.371)
Right. Well, I think that Austin and Shep need to have an intervention with Craig.

Kelli (43:27.586)
For sure. And it's interesting you say that because Shep said on this last episode, like, because Craig was terrible to Sally in the van. He was saying nasty things. He was yelling. He was, you know, he was drunk and it was bad. And Shep said, I'm not going to make him feel worse than how, than what he's already doing to himself. Although I don't think, here's the thing. I don't think Craig takes any accountability. He didn't feel bad.

you could tell right out the gate, he didn't feel bad. Or if he did, he didn't know how to express it and he will not apologize. It's a terrible, terrible character trait when you can't apologize. I've always told my kids that. One listens, one doesn't, what can I do? But Shep said, when I got kicked out of boarding school my senior year, when my mother came to pick me up, she said, there's nothing I can say to you, that's gonna make you feel any worse than what.

Wendy (44:13.289)
You

Kelli (44:25.218)
what you're making yourself feel. He said, so I won't do that to my friend. Shep is the voice of reason this season and I'm here for it, but Craig shouldn't drink. But Sally, Sally is the one ruining this show for me. I can put up with Vanita. I could take Vanita. I think she's a little middle schoolish, but Sally, she likes all the boys so nobody else can like them.

Every girl is her best friend and every girl has somehow betrayed her where she's the victim. She's a pick me girl. She's not a girl's girl. She's doing way too much to be relevant on this show. And I think she needs to go. I think they need to get rid of her. What they really need to do is bring back Cameron, maybe not Naomi, know, Chelsea. They need to bring back the old girls and let's see what's going on in their lives.

Because the show is definitely about the boys now and these girls. I like Charlie, but she's like a fish out of water. That's my take on Southern charm. But you've given up, huh?

Wendy (45:31.921)
I gave up, yeah, I gave up. And I didn't watch it. I only started watching it two years ago. So I only watched two seasons and I didn't watch it way back when. I, yeah, I don't know Cameron. I don't know his, you I don't know him. And this season I just, I was like, she's a girl. Okay. I don't know. I didn't know Cameron. wait, is what's...

Kelli (45:33.239)
Bye.

Kelli (45:39.47)
Cameron's the best. Cameron's the best.

Kelli (45:48.514)
It's it girl.

Yeah. She was like the Madison. She was like, you know how like Madison does the intros. Like she was like.

Wendy (46:04.111)
Wait, is it Cameron Eubanks? Is that her name? Okay, I've heard the name. I've heard the name. Okay. I love Madison.

Kelli (46:07.244)
Yeah. She was on the real world.

Yeah, yeah. So she wasn't dating her, God, I love Madison. Yeah, like I just need a show with the boys and Madison. I mean, if they brought back Chelsea and Cameron, I would be super happy, but I just like the boys and Madison, and I love their relationship with each other. Vanita, again, I like her. I just think sometimes she's a little immature, I think. But Sally is just...

I don't know what she's trying to do. And I don't believe a word she says anymore. So, remember when she first came on the show, she acted like she and Gaston, Taylor's boyfriend, were in this big relationship. I don't even believe that's true anymore. I think they were probably hooking up, and that's it. I believe Taylor now.

Wendy (46:55.475)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (47:09.902)
because I just think Sally is doing too much.

I've been thinking about this for a long time. I'm really glad we talked about this. I really had to get that out. I want to know what the listeners think about Southern Charm.

Wendy (47:26.173)
Yes. And I would like to know what you guys, the listeners think about Valley Persian style and the regular Valley, because the regular Valley is coming back.

Kelli (47:32.012)
Yeah.

Kelli (47:37.014)
Yeah, we'll definitely recap that show. I'll do that show, yeah.

Wendy (47:39.567)
Yes, and we have Rhode Island, Real Housewives of Rhode Island coming, and we have Real Housewives of Atlanta coming, and I am here for both of them. Can't wait, cannot wait.

Kelli (47:49.314)
Yep, that'll be great. Yeah, that'll be great. I'm so glad Potomac is done.

Wendy (47:55.036)
Yes, me too.

Kelli (47:57.026)
Sayonara, but I'm enjoying Beverly Hills. Beverly Hills is good. Yeah.

Wendy (47:58.715)
Okay. Me too. Me too. Anything else we need to chat about?

Kelli (48:04.692)
No, I think we're good. I think we've really covered a lot of Bravo info.

Wendy (48:08.713)
We really have. Yep. So thank you for watching and listening. Please go over to YouTube, subscribe, tell your friends. Actually go to Instagram too. For some reason, nobody follows us on Instagram. I don't know why. I have no idea. Go to Instagram and YouTube. Please hit the follow button. Bye.

Kelli (48:10.414)
Too much wine. Too much wine.

Kelli (48:23.722)
Yeah, it's so strange. Yeah.

Kelli (48:32.227)
Bye.