Southern Hospitality S4E3: Toxic Friendships & Party Fights

We Wine Whenever (00:01.117)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.694)
I'm Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:06.545)
We are talking about Southern Hospitality, season four, episode number three, An Olive Branch Served Dirty. I don't love that title.

Kelli (00:19.117)
is weird.

We Wine Whenever (00:20.729)
I know. We start out where we left off in Folly Beach where Mia and Maddie just squashed the beef. We see Justin's flirting with Mia, meanwhile sleeping with her roommate, right?

Kelli (00:40.258)
Molly's roommate.

We Wine Whenever (00:41.647)
Molly's roommate, Jordan.

Kelli (00:43.266)
Yeah. And the producer says, aren't you currently dating Jordan? And he's like, no, I've never been a label guy.

We Wine Whenever (00:50.959)
I know. You know what? The more I see Justin, the more I don't like Justin. I don't like the way moves.

Kelli (00:56.044)
Well, I think, I don't like the way he moves. He's been on other reality TV shows. It's giving Sally vibes from Southern Charm. And a multitude of other people. Who's the one girl on The Valley, we found out she's been on five other reality shows.

We Wine Whenever (01:02.044)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (01:16.957)
Five other reality shows?

Kelli (01:18.83)
She, I don't even remember her name. You know what, I struggle with the names on the valley. I call everybody different names. The friend of, she's marrying the girl from Jersey, or she's from Jersey.

We Wine Whenever (01:26.397)
Hmm.

We Wine Whenever (01:31.215)
Jasmine that's right Jasmine yes yes yes you're right she was

Kelli (01:33.07)
Jasmine, yeah, she was on a couple of other reality TV shows. But I mean, she's a little different though. She was already in that friend group. So she is actually a little different. But Justin, you know, was on other reality TV shows, says he was friends with TJ. I mean, was he friends with TJ? You know.

We Wine Whenever (01:41.233)
She was.

We Wine Whenever (01:51.195)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, who knows, who knows.

Kelli (01:54.337)
Yeah, who knows,

We Wine Whenever (01:56.399)
Molly's sitting down talking to Grace Lilly and Grace Lilly is so out there. She is talking about how she feels more at peace because she's with her tribal past, her roots, her ancestors. What?

Kelli (02:10.626)
I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (02:12.347)
I feel like every time she speaks, she's like on some kind of trip and she's bringing us along with her. Like, I don't know what she's ever talking about. I don't know what she's talking about.

Kelli (02:18.411)
I agree.

I agree. mean, remember we met her mom a couple of times and her mom did give like a kind of like a, you know, like a laid back like bohemian vibe too. So maybe it's just the way she was brought up. But yeah, I agree with you. I think we're brought on a trip. That's a good way to put it. Every time she talks.

We Wine Whenever (02:42.161)
Yeah. Maddie and TJ finally sit down to talk and he starts by apologizing, which is the way to start this conversation.

Kelli (02:45.614)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (02:54.306)
Yeah. His demeanor is very different in this conversation than it was the night of the Serbina party. And I'm sure alcohol had, you know, it elevates everybody's reactions.

We Wine Whenever (03:00.089)
It is. It absolutely is.

We Wine Whenever (03:08.443)
Yeah. But he does seem empathetic. He apologizes. Maddie is grateful for that. She thanks him for it. But she said, I feel like this just gives me such a bad deja vu, like PTSD. She's trying to forgive herself. Because she really did. She really was hard on herself when she found out. She didn't believe Trevor. She believed everybody else. And she blames herself.

Kelli (03:34.178)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (03:39.416)
Kelli (03:39.438)
I I don't think the producers helped this guy at all either. I mean, they just allowed this to happen.

We Wine Whenever (03:45.113)
No. Well, I mean, honestly, this is, I'm not blaming the producers for this one because that's not their job is to change the story. They did this on their own, you know?

Kelli (03:55.48)
But they, mean, well, unless Brad and TJ held it from everybody, like it was a lie. That girl that they brought on, like the whole thing was a lie. So I mean, maybe the producers didn't know, but.

I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (04:12.945)
She said after making that PowerPoint, it did remind her, it helped her that they really were friends. they kind of, they squashed it there. Maddie asks TJ if he's gonna be able to move on with Emmy. And he said, he's just not ready yet. And then he goes on to tell her about one of his closest friends, meaning Emmy, called him a predator. When he was on this podcast, him and Will were asked if they thought that Joe,

that TJ making a move on Joe when he was blacked out drunk was a predator, know, if he actually did that. And listen, I think that those are bold statements. And when they do show the clip back, it wasn't Emmy and Will that made the initial statement. It was the podcaster. But if you are friends with TJ and you've been friends with TJ for a long time, you'd say, no, I...

Kelli (05:03.17)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (05:11.193)
No, would, no, absolutely not. You would just squash it right there.

Kelli (05:16.11)
So I agree, if he's really your friend, you should immediately be like, no, absolutely not. But what Emmy said was, I never thought of it that way. Nick Vile said, TJ could have made moves on Joe when he was drunk. And Emmy said, I never thought of it that way. So yes, I do agree with you that a friend would have been like, no, absolutely not.

But think about what had just gone down, and I'm not defending Emmy. I think she should have nipped it in the bud. I think that, I don't even know if Nick Viall called him a predator. Nobody called him a predator. Certainly nobody called him a rapist, which is what he says in this episode. I mean, talk about a twist of what was said. Nick Viall said, TJ could have made moves on Joe when he was drunk. And Emmy said,

We Wine Whenever (05:47.281)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (05:58.673)
No.

We Wine Whenever (06:07.036)
Yeah.

Kelli (06:13.152)
I never thought of it that way. But again, she could have just put the kibosh on the whole thing right away and said, no, absolutely not. And she didn't. But they weren't in a good place. And he knew, I don't know. I don't know if she's the one he should expect to be defending him right now. But nobody called him a predator, certainly nobody called him a rapist. I think he, well, I'm not gonna say it, because I don't wanna get the heat. I don't want the heat.

We Wine Whenever (06:15.109)
Right, that's exactly what she said.

We Wine Whenever (06:22.354)
break.

We Wine Whenever (06:42.523)
Yeah, no, I get it. get it. So then, I mean, the whole reason that they're there is they're celebrating Bradley's one year anniversary with Julia. And Lake points out that she's not really sure of the timeline because she was making out with Bradley a year ago and they flashed to a shot where a year and 10 days ago, Lake was making out with, yes, yes, she was making out with Bradley. Yes. So.

Kelli (07:02.584)
They were in Vegas. Yeah, they were in Vegas for Maddie's show. Yeah. That was interesting.

We Wine Whenever (07:11.301)
Yeah, I guess maybe they're rounding, whatever. Or maybe they weren't serious yet. You know, I don't know. Who knows? Right?

Kelli (07:14.03)
Right, right. Maybe they were involved, they knew each other, they were spending time together, but... And I would count that as part of the relationship.

We Wine Whenever (07:25.499)
Yeah, I would too. Listen, I'm sure Julia's gonna see this and she's gonna have something to say about it. Justin makes a toast and thanks Brad and Julia and hoping that everyone can make amends and move forward. Emmy says if everyone squashes their beef tonight, she'll actually have a shot because she has not had a drink in two years since she's been on her wellness journey. And I was like,

Kelli (07:31.064)
Right, right, for sure.

We Wine Whenever (07:55.453)
Okay, I don't know, like why are you going for that? But whatever, that's what she chose to do.

Kelli (08:01.826)
Maybe that's the love language of this friend group.

We Wine Whenever (08:05.323)
that's a good point. Maybe that's it. Okay, that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right. And honestly, mean, people said, no, you don't have to give up your sobriety. But she did it for herself. It wasn't that she had a problem. Emmy starts by saying, I know a lot of shit went down in February, and I know we have our own versions of it. I just hate, I hate where we're at. And Bradley said, well,

Kelli (08:06.636)
You know? Like now they're gonna know I'm serious if I do a shot.

Kelli (08:20.834)
Right, exactly.

We Wine Whenever (08:35.205)
Like, do you acknowledge that you've done anything? And Emmy's like, to Maddie? Like, Emmy had no idea what Brad was talking about.

Kelli (08:43.0)
Now she doesn't.

We Wine Whenever (08:44.593)
I mean, totally no idea. And he's like, no, like between our friendship, do you think that you've done anything wrong? And she's sitting there, she's like.

She couldn't come up with it.

And he said, well, I really trusted you. And Bradley's like, well, where did I break the trust? Like, what did I do? And she said, well, you didn't believe me last year when I told you what was going on with my relationship, meaning that she was saying that, you know, her and Will were solid. You believe that my fiancee 100 % cheated on me. OK, well, that's not really breaking.

Kelli (09:18.414)
feel like she said you went from being a groomsman in our wedding to...

We Wine Whenever (09:22.331)
Yes. Yes.

And I get that she felt that way, but I don't know that that was so much breaking her trust. I think that's just how he felt about it. It's not like he was telling her how he felt about the situation. And I guess she was upset because he didn't respect what she was saying.

Kelli (09:43.427)
Well.

Kelli (09:48.047)
on national television. Like it's one thing for your friend to come to you and be like, listen, this is what I heard, but you're doing this on a public platform for the whole world to see that her fiance may have cheated on her. Like I think maybe that's where it is. It's like you're doing this in such a public way. If you were really my friend, wouldn't you have just come to me off camera? I mean, as soon as the season started, Brad and TJ,

We Wine Whenever (09:50.618)
Right.

Kelli (10:13.94)
I believe they are the ones who brought up the fact that Will came into Republic drunk and was just trash talking at me. mean, know, Joe and whoever else were there were like, yeah, it did happen. But I'm pretty sure Brad and TJ were the first ones to bring it up and talk about it. So if you really are her friend, don't make that a storyline, because that's, you know.

We Wine Whenever (10:30.237)
Yeah, I think that they were. I think that they were.

Yeah. He did say that I, and he was defending her in the beginning. He goes, then at the end, when I started doing my own research and I saw, you know, what was going on, he said, and then when we went to New York and we were on stage and you were saying like, you hope to get to a better place with TJ and Brad, but then up in Molly's room, you know, I overhear you on the phone and saying all this shit. Like that's really where it went south, I think.

Kelli (11:04.098)
Yeah, I agree.

We Wine Whenever (11:05.999)
with the unsafe comment. But the thing is she was sticking with it. Like she didn't understand how that unsafe could affect him. She didn't understand.

Kelli (11:21.1)
Yeah, so I think everybody has to be so careful with their words these days because I do understand what she was saying. she's, it's not, listen, for me to say something like, you know, she's dead to me, you know, F you, I talk a certain way. You don't talk that way. So if somebody gets a text from me saying something,

We Wine Whenever (11:49.405)
Right.

Kelli (11:49.443)
They might be like, she's popping off. But if they got that text from you, they'd be like, all right, literally what's going on? Like, is Wendy okay? So I think that was Emmy's point. Like, that's not Brad. That's not his behavior. That's not how he talks about people, to people, especially his friends. So I understand where she was like, maybe like flabbergasted when she saw his text message. But the word unsafe, and we've this conversation,

We Wine Whenever (11:53.177)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (11:59.067)
Right. Right.

Kelli (12:18.456)
for any male, especially a black male, this is his livelihood, he's on a TV show, you could get him fired. Along with many other things negatively that could impact his life from this. He's a physical trainer, he works for a gym, he works at Republic. You're messing with his life and his livelihood by saying that word. But I think that's what it was, it was more.

We Wine Whenever (12:23.771)
Right. Right. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (12:45.703)
I... Yeah.

Kelli (12:45.974)
his tone in the text message and she was like, whoa, he doesn't talk like this.

We Wine Whenever (12:50.343)
Well, that, I mean, I'm glad you put it that way, because I actually didn't see it that way. was like, why is she not getting it? But that would make sense if he, like you said, it would be like me sending something like that. Like I don't talk that way. Like you'd be like, what's going on, right?

Kelli (13:00.546)
For sure. Right.

Right.

We Wine Whenever (13:06.395)
The thing is, when he told her how he felt about it and how it hurt him, she should have immediately been like, my gosh, I am so sorry. Just apologize, like just apologize. And she doesn't, she doesn't. And then when we get into it later on, when she goes into her confessional and she doubles down on it, when you had time to think about it.

Kelli (13:16.406)
Absolutely.

Kelli (13:30.477)
I know.

We Wine Whenever (13:33.253)
It's one thing in the moment and you don't realize it and you hear it for the first time, but to sit there and you're confessional, I mean, we're not there yet, but it just, have to mention it now because it's just like, didn't seem genuine at the time, but I know after watching the whole episode, wasn't genuine at all.

Kelli (13:53.1)
Now, even the phone call with her sister.

We Wine Whenever (13:57.179)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (13:58.979)
Yeah, I agree. Now she knows the impact that that word had and she's still moving on with it. So it's, It's not good. It's not good.

We Wine Whenever (14:05.543)
exactly.

We Wine Whenever (14:12.125)
It's not good. No, it's not. It's not. And Molly said, like, listen, I was in the hotel room directly next to yours. I heard everything that was going on. She's like, it was her. It wasn't Will.

Kelli (14:24.45)
I think that's what happened. I think that Brad was in Molly's room and Molly's room was next to Emmy's and they were sharing a wall and heard everything.

We Wine Whenever (14:31.953)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (14:37.393)
Yeah. But, and then Michaels interrupts and is like, listen, you can't stay scared because that comes off as a microaggression. And Lake agrees and Brad said, like, what did you think I was going to do to you? Like, he's like, she's like, I don't know. And then it turns out that like, Brad was a little bit upset that Lake didn't chime in more. Which again, I thought, I don't know. I mean,

Kelli (14:45.784)
Yes.

Kelli (15:06.626)
Well, I think that they all, mean, you see Mia like, is that? Is that her new best, TJ, is that her new best friend? Like, I think they all now have an issue with the fact that Lake is friends with Emmy, but here's the thing, like, so what are you trying to do now? Are you trying to get Emmy off the show? Like, what are you, like, what's the goal here? Like, people are gonna be friends with whoever they wanna be friends with. Lake said her piece, she didn't agree with it, she thought it was wrong. But.

We Wine Whenever (15:27.079)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (15:34.716)
Right.

Kelli (15:37.587)
I think Emi has extreme anxiety. You can see the way she leaves that room and goes outside. It is basically hyperventilating and I'm not defending her, but I'm saying when you've seen somebody like that in person, you can't help yourself, but try to help them. So I think late getting up and going to her, it doesn't mean she was picking a side. She just saw her in a very vulnerable.

We Wine Whenever (15:46.309)
Yeah, definitely. No, definitely.

Mm-hmm.

Kelli (16:06.57)
state where she needed help. Somebody needed to go help her.

We Wine Whenever (16:09.169)
Right, I, yeah, I agree, I totally agree. And you're right, I think that they do have a problem that she is getting close to Emmy. Because that comes up later too.

Kelli (16:19.97)
Yeah, I mean, she needs to stop saying the word. She kept saying she was scared. It scared her. It was a text message. It wasn't anything physical. He wasn't banging down your door. I understand being like, what in the hell is this? you weren't, I mean, scared, unsafe. These are big words.

We Wine Whenever (16:31.004)
right.

We Wine Whenever (16:43.355)
Yeah, yeah, there definitely are. They definitely are. So yeah, she's out there crying. And then TJ goes out after her, right? After she calms down a little bit. And he says to her, sometimes the way that you feel about people is influenced by will. Which of course it is, that's her fiance that she loves very much. Why wouldn't it be, right? It's gonna be.

Kelli (17:06.99)
Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Right.

We Wine Whenever (17:15.965)
TJ in his confessional said after the podcast he got flooded with hate mail and reddit threads about him. no, that, like that's concerning. Right.

Kelli (17:16.44)
What is it? about? good.

Kelli (17:26.338)
This is a problem. That's very concerning. And this is the problem. Like people, you can all be fans of the show, but threatening someone or, you know, encouraging them to hurt themselves, like this is not okay. This is not okay. I feel a certain way about a certain housewife. If you listen to the show, you know who I'm talking about. Never have I once DM'd her. Never have I once wished harm on her.

We Wine Whenever (17:40.901)
Yes, it's horrible. It's horrible. No, it's not.

Kelli (17:55.745)
I mean, that's, it's not, that's not normal. That's not normal behavior.

We Wine Whenever (17:59.363)
No, no, no, it's not. It's not. that, you know, they say fame, know, fame has its good side and has its bad side, but that's just, it's just mean and malicious. It's just, it's horrible. It's really horrible. It's the mob mentality, like coming after somebody that you don't even know based on what? Like, again, we've said this before, like, it's not that serious. This is entertainment, right? This is entertainment.

Kelli (18:12.706)
Yeah.

Kelli (18:17.89)
Yes.

Kelli (18:26.37)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (18:27.537)
You shouldn't be going after somebody personally and attacking them online that you don't even know.

Kelli (18:33.642)
Exactly. Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (18:37.564)
Then Joe Bradley said, listen, I think we've done enough work here. Like, let's take a break. And I was like, oh, thank God. Bradley goes out and hugs Emmy. And they agree that they're moving forward. Emmy does a sh. OK.

Kelli (18:52.408)
Real quick before that, how about when Molly brings up that at the reunion, it came up that she says Emmy fat shamed her.

We Wine Whenever (19:07.247)
Yeah, did you remember that?

Kelli (19:07.8)
But it turned out it was just, I don't remember that. No, I don't think they aired it. I don't think they aired it. It turned out that somebody commented on one of Emmy's posts and basically said like the big girls hate on the skinny girls or something like that. And Emmy liked the comment. Nobody mentioned Molly. Nobody said the word fat. They said big girl. Listen, I'm a big girl. People call me a big girl. I am a big girl. Like,

I think that Molly was just, it was a little Sally from Southern Charms. She was just looking for a moment and needed a little bit of attention in the moment. I think Molly's, you know, trying her best to get moments now because she doesn't work there anymore.

We Wine Whenever (19:50.631)
I think you're right.

Kelli (19:51.99)
Yeah. Yeah. So.

We Wine Whenever (19:54.033)
Yeah, I definitely think you're right.

Kelli (19:57.571)
But Emmy did take the shot.

We Wine Whenever (19:58.225)
she did take the shot.

Mia says cheers and she announces her first night to being single and everyone is shocked. But Justin is like, my gosh, I prayed for that. I prayed for that. I was like, Justin. Then all of a sudden TJ and Michael start making out. Like, where did that come from? No, that was, that was in the bar? yeah, that was in the bar.

Kelli (20:23.724)
Yeah, they went to some bar. They went to some bar.

I think they either went to a bar or they went like outside. Right? Was it a bar? Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:34.299)
Yeah, no, they did. No, they did. They walked to a bar. They walked to a bar, yeah. Yeah, because they start doing body shots and that's where TJ and Michaels did make out. And Justin did the body shot off of Mia. I was like, okay, this was a bit much, but okay. They're in a good place. I'm glad to see that.

Kelli (20:38.412)
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (20:56.62)
It's so 1998, 1999, like I didn't even know people did body shots anymore, but apparently they do because they were doing it on Southern Charm too. But to me, it's like so like early 2000s. But that's because that's when I was, you know, whiling out in the Clarebs.

We Wine Whenever (21:03.1)
No.

Yeah, I didn't know that they did.

We Wine Whenever (21:10.736)
Yeah. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (21:16.997)
Yeah, maybe they're still doing it. They must be.

Kelli (21:19.778)
They must be. Either that or it made a great comeback. It's the 25th anniversary.

We Wine Whenever (21:23.803)
Yeah, there you go. So then they're back at Republic and they're all getting ready for work and.

And he's like, it's good that me and TJ can work under the same roof. You know, we just needed to have a progressive conversation. And TJ is like, I did not have a progressive conversation. I honestly, I don't even accept her half-assed apology. Again, I was like, OK, a little bit of miscommunication there.

Kelli (21:57.295)
Yeah, but like, like, why didn't he say that then? Or was it just like, like Joe Bradley said, like, all right, let's move this along. We want to go do body shots. Like, because, cause he didn't, yeah, I guess they did kind of end it like when TJ and Emmy were talking. So yeah, I mean, listen, he's got the right to feel any way he wants, but, say it and address it and don't have your snarky side conversations and confessionals.

We Wine Whenever (22:06.365)
I think that might be what happens. Right.

We Wine Whenever (22:14.639)
Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (22:18.649)
Absolutely he does.

We Wine Whenever (22:28.027)
Right, right, because it's

Kelli (22:28.408)
But I guess Emmy's kind of doing the same thing too in her confessionals.

We Wine Whenever (22:32.733)
Well, yes, she sure is. She sure is.

Kelli (22:34.476)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (22:38.013)
I really did like seeing Joe and Justin and Bradley working King Street and trying to bring people into Republic. I didn't actually know that was something that you do, but apparently it is.

Kelli (22:49.1)
I didn't either, but they did a great job. Did you, you didn't watch early Southern Charm. So when you see that girl in that, I think she was in a rickshaw and she's like, hi Joe, and he's like, hey Landon. Landon was on one, maybe two seasons of Southern Charm very early on.

We Wine Whenever (22:51.845)
Yeah. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (23:11.472)
Okay.

Kelli (23:12.884)
She, it was good that she left. It was good that she left, but yeah, it was interesting. was like, my God, that's Landon.

We Wine Whenever (23:16.089)
Okay.

that's crazy. So Lev is there and she's telling Joe that it's good that he's doing this, but this is, you gotta be consistent, Joe. You can't just come in here and get a few people in. You gotta show up here every day for eight or nine months and be the best Joe you can be. So we'll see. I have a feeling, I'll be honest with you, I have a feeling he's gonna wash out. I don't really think he has it in him to be consistent. I just don't, I don't.

Kelli (23:24.355)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (23:32.535)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (23:48.995)
I think, no, cause you know what? You can't even blame it on the Maddie thing, cause yes, he's traveling around with Maddie, but remember first season, like he wakes up, it's like two o'clock in the afternoon and they're like, Joe, we had a staff meeting at noon, where were you? And that was before he was dating Maddie. So I think you're right. I think this is just his work ethic at this point. I mean, it's also an age thing and a maturity thing, so we'll see.

We Wine Whenever (24:05.616)
Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (24:16.925)
But wait, didn't he say he's gonna be 30? Isn't his big thing is he's gonna be 30? I mean...

Kelli (24:17.346)
Maybe he's gonna surprise us all.

Kelli (24:22.636)
Yeah, I mean, but this is how, this is how Craig on Southern Charm was. Like he was the worst, always hungover, not going to work. And he was a lawyer and look at him now. Like he's running a business with a team. He wasn't a practicing lawyer because he never passed the bar. He wasn't a practicing lawyer, but he went to law school. He was a JD. He wasn't an ESQ.

We Wine Whenever (24:35.665)
Was he actually a practicing lawyer? Was he going to a law firm?

So.

We Wine Whenever (24:50.651)
Okay. So.

Kelli (24:51.81)
Yeah, but he was working in a law firm and not well. He wasn't doing it well.

We Wine Whenever (24:57.787)
Right, which is probably why I didn't pass the bar.

Kelli (25:00.598)
Yeah, I feel like maybe Charleston's like a Peter Pan town where these guys just don't want to grow up.

We Wine Whenever (25:07.261)
Well, I mean, that could very well be. And that's honestly one of the reasons I stopped watching Southern Charm is I just got sick of seeing these man boys live their life this way. And I was like, I just can't watch this. And I kind of feel like this one is going to go that way too. I mean, I didn't realize how old TJ was. TJ, what did they say? TJ is, TJ was born in 1990 and Michael's was born in 2002. So he's in his thirties.

Kelli (25:20.279)
Yeah.

Kelli (25:25.239)
Yeah.

Kelli (25:29.198)
my gosh.

We Wine Whenever (25:37.307)
Like that's crazy. That's crazy to me. I think he's 34 and like that's crazy. So again, and you know, we were like, so excited that he got a wiener truck. Okay. Well, he's 34 years old still parked at thing, right?

Kelli (25:39.352)
Yeah, there's a big age difference.

Kelli (25:44.514)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Kelli (25:52.751)
Yeah, mean if you're gonna do it, Charleston seems like the town to do it. Like if you're gonna make a career out of bartending, like that's clearly a good place to do it. But yeah. No, of course not, of course not. Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (26:02.543)
Yeah!

And there's nothing wrong with making a career out of bartending. There's nothing wrong with it. I mean, it's good money. It's absolutely good money. And if you enjoy that environment, then great.

What about the scene where Joe's washing his truck? my God.

Kelli (26:22.466)
hysterical.

hysterical. I loved it. He's like, there's only one thing that could make me cheat on Maddie. My truck.

We Wine Whenever (26:33.103)
My truck.

Kelli (26:36.398)
I thought that was hysterical.

We Wine Whenever (26:39.825)
So we see Emmy on FaceTime with her sister, and she's telling her sister how everyone is coming for her.

Kelli (26:48.492)
Which is not true, Manny is proving to be a very good friend to Emmy right now. So she should, and Lake, and Lake. those are way too general statements.

We Wine Whenever (26:53.735)
She really is.

Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (27:02.683)
Yeah, I mean, and then she admits that she just apologized because she didn't want to talk about it. Okay, there's that. Okay. And she said, TJ tried to have a conversation with me at dinner and he was kind of combative and I told him he needed to chill. She's like, she did say, but she, you know, I don't think TJ's a predator.

I just don't think he's being appropriate with going after a straight man. Okay.

Kelli (27:37.87)
She said, I don't think he should hit on drunk straight men. So it sounded to me like maybe she's witnessed other things, not just heard the Joe Bradley story. That's how I took it, but I could be wrong.

We Wine Whenever (27:56.677)
I didn't take it that way. took it as her just like doubling down. Well, you know.

Kelli (28:01.262)
just about the Joe Bradley thing. mean, either way, she shouldn't have said it. I think we could both agree to that because you did just apologize to him and now you just said something else, accusatory. But I thought the way she said, I just don't think he should hit on drunk straight men. I was like, oh, well that sounds like maybe he's done that before. But listen, there's no crime in hitting on someone.

We Wine Whenever (28:08.539)
Right. Yeah. Yep.

Right.

Right.

Kelli (28:30.52)
There's no crime in flirting.

We Wine Whenever (28:30.733)
No. No, no, there's not. No, there's not.

Then we see Molly's having a girls and gays pajama party night. That was an interesting party.

Kelli (28:49.066)
It took a hard left at some point.

We Wine Whenever (28:52.207)
It did, it did. Well, I mean, listen, think, you know, Grace, Grace, Lily came in with a chip on her shoulder. She was already mad at Maddie. And I get it. Like Maddie's like, why, like, why am I supposed to tell you that it's a pajama party? Like, why am I responsible for you? And not for nothing, but I thought what she had on looked like a pajamas. Like it was like a slip dress.

Kelli (29:15.502)
It was, it was totally fine. And even like what she said about when they were in the follies, when she asked Maddie, first of all, we are adults and I'm going to tell you something funny listeners. Wendy and I went to brunch earlier today with our friends, not knowingly dressed exactly the same. Not knowing. But so I just wanted to say that before I say what I'm going to say next. These are grown women. What do you care what your friend is wearing?

We Wine Whenever (29:35.869)
Right.

Kelli (29:45.549)
You are a grown woman. Grace Lilly has beautiful style. She's a beautiful girl. Wear whatever you want to wear. You know where you're going. You know what the atmosphere is. Just get dressed. And who cares what Maddie's wearing? I mean, I get her point, not knowing that it's a pajama party, but that's on Molly. That's not on Maddie.

We Wine Whenever (30:00.55)
Right. know it's so

We Wine Whenever (30:07.493)
Right, the event planner, I might add.

Kelli (30:09.486)
Listen, I have it in my notes. Like, I'm not hiring her to plan any party. You forgot to tell them that it was a pajama party.

We Wine Whenever (30:15.555)
No, not... Right? I forgot to tell all of them. Some of them knew.

Kelli (30:22.464)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (30:26.397)
I did like when they were all sitting on the couch together and like hanging out and

We Wine Whenever (30:36.391)
They ask a question like, what is your ideal type? And Lake said, well, her type is a bad bitch. I was like, okay. And Mia said that she likes a guy with a humongous ass. I didn't see that one coming. really didn't. I was like.

Kelli (30:51.296)
I didn't see that coming either. I loved when Maddie was like, I've dated this guy, I've dated this guy, I've dated a cartel member. I'm like,

We Wine Whenever (30:59.589)
Right.

Kelli (31:02.958)
I would imagine that was in her party days before she became sober. Maybe not, but I'm just guessing.

We Wine Whenever (31:09.125)
I'm sure, I'm sure it probably was. Then, Lake says, well, who here has done anal? And a couple of girls, they like raise their hands and one of them's like, I accidentally I did. I'm like, wait, that's, who said accidentally? Yeah. No, that's not an accident. It's just an accident. my gosh. Yes, exactly.

Kelli (31:25.594)
Two of them were like by accident. I'm like, oh, I'm sorry. That's not an accident. That's something you prepare for.

We Wine Whenever (31:38.645)
And TJ said, Molly thinks a big penis is five inches. Michael said his confessional, he's like, that's like my finger. Like, can you feel that? I mean, I definitely was laughing. And then Molly's sitting in there in her confessional and she says to the producer, she's like, is this five inches? And the producer's like, no, that's longer than five inches. And she's like,

Kelli (32:01.037)
No.

Kelli (32:05.582)
my god.

We Wine Whenever (32:06.365)
So Molly has no idea what five inches is.

Kelli (32:11.214)
So funny.

We Wine Whenever (32:14.043)
Then they start grilling, well, TJ says, ask like, why didn't Emmy come? She's like, well, you know, I don't know. Mia's like, well, you guys are besties now. She said, well, yeah. She said, well, how did that happen? Well, she's like, all the start, like, they made up, right? Because they were giving her hard time, they made up. And then she's like, I read her sign and it it said, literally told me on my app, we have a great friendship.

that can bloom and then we started hanging out and it's been great. something so much Grace Lilly would say, right? Which is exactly what Maddie said.

Kelli (32:49.89)
Yeah, and did you just notice how TJ and Mia kept looking at each other? they kept like making icon, like, like, it was so childish, very immature.

We Wine Whenever (33:03.269)
Yeah, I'm not a fan of the TJ Mia friendship. think it's, think it's just, I think it's, they're just mean girls together. I feel that way about.

Kelli (33:06.519)
Me neither.

Kelli (33:10.776)
Yep. And unfortunately, I think Brad gets wrapped up in it. Like I feel like if Brad, I mean I think that the Brad thing with Maddie was retaliatory. We've established that. But the thing with Emmy, I don't think Brad would have jumped on that bandwagon so much so if it weren't for his friendship with TJ. And really, Maya, she was part of that too.

We Wine Whenever (33:36.797)
And it's funny because Mia doesn't work there anymore, but yet she's there all the time. Right?

Kelli (33:43.853)
And the thing is, that, like, what do you want from, from Emmy and Will? What if he did cheat on her? And what if she accepted his apology and they, they chose as a couple to move on? Like you're exposing that on this show. We don't see TJ dating anybody. We don't see anything about TJ's personal life. We don't see, well, we did see a couple of things about Mia's life. I guess Mia is actually, she is like forthcoming with what's going on in her life, but it's like.

What the hell is TJ showing that he feels necessary to expose their personal business that maybe they've moved on from and got over it?

We Wine Whenever (34:12.433)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (34:24.923)
Yeah, no, I agree. I agree that they shouldn't, you know, they shouldn't be coming after others just because they have nothing going on, right?

Kelli (34:31.48)
Yeah. But I liked how Michaels was like, all right, let's talk about something else. Like he kind of put, yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (34:37.905)
Yeah, I'm bored. Yeah. And then Grace is like, yeah, I'm bored too. And Maddie's like, well, you were just talking about it. And then Grace lost it. She's like, shut the F up. You're annoying. I was like, where'd that come from?

Kelli (34:52.096)
I already have a problem with you.

We Wine Whenever (34:55.26)
Yeah.

Kelli (34:56.618)
I think that Grace is jealous of Maddie. I think that in the first season we learned that they used to be very, very close. And I think that once the show started, I think Maddie started getting a lot of attention and Grace was, you know, not working at Republic anymore. So something must have happened like outside of the show with her employment at Republic. And I think Grace is

We Wine Whenever (35:24.487)
Yeah.

Kelli (35:27.691)
envious of Maddie.

We Wine Whenever (35:28.197)
Yeah, I mean, that could be it.

I just honestly, I think it just may be a substance abuse issue as well, to be quite honest with you.

Kelli (35:39.916)
Yeah, yeah, or some kind of mental health issue.

We Wine Whenever (35:45.445)
Yeah, I think it could be both. I think it could be a combination of both. And I think that Maddie has been a good friend to her. I think Maddie has been a very good friend to her. And I don't think that Grace...

Kelli (35:48.056)
Yeah. Right.

We Wine Whenever (36:03.035)
I don't think she sees it. mean, Maddie even said, she said, I don't feel like you're reciprocal. don't feel like, you know, I don't feel like you're there for me. And I think that she's right. I definitely think she's right.

Kelli (36:04.845)
Right.

Kelli (36:18.423)
It's sad.

We Wine Whenever (36:18.843)
I mean, I even wrote that down. think, I feel like Grace is under the influence of something because she wasn't just, she wasn't making sense. Like she just wasn't making sense. And I don't know. hope that, I hope that, I think that she needs help, to be honest with you. I think Grace really needs help and I hope that she can get help. I hope she can get help because I think it would, it would make for a better, I know you do. I think she's adorable too. I think she's got a very,

Kelli (36:26.648)
Yeah.

Kelli (36:38.698)
I I love her. I think she's adorable.

We Wine Whenever (36:48.359)
free spirit, which I love a free spirit, but I think that she needs, I just think she needs a little help. That's all.

Kelli (36:49.762)
Yeah, absolutely.

Kelli (36:55.596)
Yeah, I agree. We're praying for you, Grace Lilly.

We Wine Whenever (36:59.705)
Yes we are. I don't have anything else about Southern hospitality, you?

Kelli (37:05.44)
No. No. We're going to watch Southern Charm. We're going to do a pod after both reunions air.

We Wine Whenever (37:07.462)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (37:14.245)
Yes. So until then, thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye.

Kelli (37:23.246)
Bye.