Southern Charm Season 11 Reunion If Madison Leaves, We Riot

Kelli (00:01.186)
Hi, welcome to Be Wine Whenever, this is Kelly. Cousin Gina is joining us because we're gonna talk about, well, me, joining me, we're gonna talk about Southern Charm, both reunions, and Wendy is away with a friend working on a project that she has been helping out with for years. I'm gonna let Wendy talk about that, because it's really an amazing product that her friend created. So I'm gonna let Wendy talk about that when she gets back.

We Wine Whenever (00:04.584)
cousin Gina.

Kelli (00:31.47)
And I'm sure she'll have some stories because she is in the LA area So I know she's gonna go to the restaurants and try to see the people she's done it before Mm-hmm and Laurie doesn't watch Southern charm. So cousin Gina graciously accepted my invitation to come talk about this Before we talk about Southern charm. However, there's two subjects. We need to discuss the return of Real Housewives of New Jersey sans Margaret Joseph's

We Wine Whenever (00:40.56)
I didn't realize that. Yeah, that's great.

Kelli (01:00.578)
which I couldn't be more disappointed that Margaret's gone. And then we're gonna talk about the cancellation of Miami, but let's get into New Jersey first. Quickly, we'll just do this quickly, because I feel like Southern Charm's gonna take us a little while.

We Wine Whenever (01:07.44)
I completely agree.

We Wine Whenever (01:15.453)
Well, first off, I think I'm going to look on Kami or some of these things and how much would it cost me to get Andy to spend a half an hour with me, you know, because you can go on to these sites and buy have dinner with celebrities. But I'm sure Andy is one hundred thousand dollars. But I I really need to sit him down. He is rewarding bad behavior again.

Kelli (01:32.63)
Yes, yes.

Probably.

Kelli (01:43.092)
over and over and over again.

We Wine Whenever (01:43.233)
And bringing back Teresa and Louie. And I'm very upset that, you know, the Gorgas have bought into it based on, you know, what happened. And I can't wait to hear Margaret say what happened. Why would you go back to a show that is bringing back an abuser of your family?

Kelli (02:09.88)
So I totally agree with you 100 % and I've said this to you before, like, we have always all been Gorgophans. Huge, huge Gorgophans. My feeling on Melissa and Joe now, I understand Joe wants to reconcile with his sister, you do you. But Melissa, Margaret is supposed to be one of your best friends. Louie, and I'm not saying allegedly, because he fucking did it.

called Margaret's son at his place of employment, what an invasion of privacy, and threatened him. That is your friend's child. That is not forgivable. Exactly, never had anything to do with the show. And my feeling is this, if you feel pressured to film with your sister-in-law for your husband's sake, and let's face it, the only reason they feel pressured is because Theresa needs the job.

We Wine Whenever (02:47.739)
who had nothing to do with the show. Margaret.

Kelli (03:08.66)
You should have said, not Louie, and the fact that you had that man around your children at the holidays after he did what he did, I'm blown away. I'm blown away. Yeah, you allowed that man near your children after what he did. I'm blown away.

We Wine Whenever (03:20.528)
You're talking about Melissa and Joe, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (03:31.632)
Margaret there I know that there's something in the contracts where housewives can't sue housewives. I don't know if that extends to the husbands but I would have loved to have seen some legal actions filed but what an insult to Margaret what an insult whether whether or not Bravo offered her.

Kelli (03:38.9)
Mm-hmm

Kelli (03:48.929)
Absolutely.

Kelli (03:52.876)
Mm-hmm. And that's your good friend?

We Wine Whenever (03:59.556)
million dollars an episode, whatever. It doesn't matter. What they did to her is horrible, allowing Louie back. And we're assuming Louie's back on the show because they're saying Teresa is allowed. Nobody's made a statement that Louie's been excluded. So I'm assuming you're assuming that he is coming back. And I think the fact that those three are coming back, it's an ambient to me.

That's what I'll put on to go to sleep at night. To three of them, yeah.

Kelli (04:31.936)
Yeah, I agree. And my other thought is any new girl joining this show, you're out of your mind because Teresa has to, has to get along with Melissa now because she needs the money. She doesn't have to get along with anybody else. She's going to come for somebody. And I wouldn't doubt if she goes for Dolores. I don't doubt it for a second that she'll go after her own friend.

We Wine Whenever (04:59.238)
Go watch some of the old episodes. You know, I watched Roku in the middle of the night. They're always got the Bravo vault. And when soggy Flickr was on.

Kelli (05:03.554)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (05:09.346)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (05:12.079)
Dolores was very close with Soggy and was not friends with Teresa. You gotta go watch that.

Kelli (05:17.784)
They were friends, but she was not blindly loyal to Teresa the way she is now. You're right, when Siggy was on the show. She wasn't. She wasn't blindly loyal. Soggy, yeah. Yeah, you're absolutely right. And here's the thing for all the tree stumps out there who think that Teresa is the show. She's given so much. She's given so much, she had no choice. Yep, she got pregnant and had a baby on the show. So did a lot of other housewives. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (05:25.784)
No, she was not.

Yeah, Soggy. Her name is Soggy Flicker.

Kelli (05:47.543)
she went to jail on the show. What choice did she have but to go to jail on the show? She was going to jail. She needed the money. What's going on in her life right now? She's got financial troubles. She's got issues with her husband. We saw a conversation in a preview last year of them speaking about finances. Never aired. She's not sharing shit with us anymore, Teresa. She's not sharing anything with us anymore.

We Wine Whenever (06:10.586)
All right. Yeah.

Kelli (06:15.008)
She had no choice to share that back in the day. No choice. She's choosing now not to share and they're still giving her a spot on the show. I think it's a huge mistake and listen, I'll give it a couple of episodes but.

We Wine Whenever (06:29.39)
There, Andy has gone too far with rewarding bad behavior. I am 100 % give people a second chance, sometimes a third chance. But, Teresa's not innocent like they made her out to be. Not one bit. But I'm not gonna even go into that. The fact is they're finally bringing back the show and they announced these three. You made us wait how many years?

Kelli (06:33.486)
100%.

Kelli (06:39.682)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (06:46.849)
No!

Kelli (06:58.87)
Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (06:59.3)
for this. And first off, you have got two people that you could bring back. Danielle Cabrell and Rachel Fuda. Bring those two back. They've already had a year. They've got, you know, some type of and they were good. They got overshadowed because of what was happening at the time. But those two phenomenal.

Kelli (07:09.932)
Rates of Buddha. Yep.

Kelli (07:25.004)
Yeah, should have. Yep, they should have brought back Rachel, Danielle, Melissa as a friend of, Dolores as a friend of, and brought in younger women who had more in common with Danielle and Rachel. That's how you reboot a show, not what they did in New York with an all new cast, which was horrible. And I don't blame the women they cast the show with for it being horrible.

blame the producers because of what they focused on. It was nonsense. But they should have kept Rachel and Danielle. People liked them. The only people that didn't like Rachel were the people who love Teresa. We're over it. Bring back Rachel and Danielle, Melissa and Dolo as friends of, and get some new people in with younger kids, and let's see, get rid of Teresa. We wanna see affluent women living lives in our state.

We Wine Whenever (08:05.229)
Mm hmm. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (08:14.659)
But get rid of Teresa. Get rid of Teresa.

Kelli (08:23.02)
You know, Teresa's not it. I think it's a mistake, but you know what? We'll see. All right.

We Wine Whenever (08:29.102)
They made a huge mistake not filming while she was in jail because that would have been a perfect opportunity to see how the franchise did without her.

Kelli (08:38.804)
Exactly. chose not to. It's not that they couldn't film without her. They chose not to. They gave her this big head that she has that the show revolves around her. It's an ensemble cast.

We Wine Whenever (08:43.821)
They chose not to.

We Wine Whenever (08:51.628)
Yeah. OC did just fine without Vicki.

Kelli (08:55.028)
Exactly. I mean, they're bringing her back, but it's the 20th anniversary and, you know, it is what it is.

We Wine Whenever (08:59.744)
Yeah, listen, you know, she doesn't it is what it is. They she Vicki just has to relax and stop trying so hard. You know.

Kelli (09:08.876)
Yeah. Now what do you think about them canceling Miami?

We Wine Whenever (09:14.251)
I mean, they just canceled Miami and they just brought it back. mean, I just, I don't understand when it came back, everybody went crazy. Everybody went nuts. They're so happy. Andy was saying, I can't believe it took us so long. It's doing so great. What caused it? It, do you think it was casting? Maybe somebody wasn't coming back or maybe Alexia with the boyfriend who's suing. I think that.

Kelli (09:16.65)
I know. And people loved it. People loved it.

Kelli (09:24.878)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (09:44.364)
could have had something to do with it.

Kelli (09:46.933)
I agree. I do think the Alexia Todd dynamic had something to do with it because I'm not one to say a show revolves around a housewife and I'm not saying that Miami revolves around Alexia. However, if you're going to bring Miami back, there's no reason not to bring Alexia back, but you can't bring her back. Alexia is definitely Teresa light, no accountability doesn't admit when she's wrong, but she's it's all about her, but she's like, she's more likable.

We Wine Whenever (10:02.902)
Alexia is Teresa light.

We Wine Whenever (10:11.448)
It's all about her. It's her show.

Kelli (10:17.55)
But you can't bring Alexia back if she's not gonna film with her husband. And they're not gonna let this guy film. He was suing them for how he was shown on the show. that, yeah, that might be the biggest reason.

We Wine Whenever (10:27.67)
It was horrible. That's how we came across. Yeah. And the funny part is they're friends with Louie and Teresa. I'd say get them both off the franchises, bring Miami back, get her off, bring back New Jersey, get Teresa off. Give them a show with the four of them. Let them go flip houses together or something. Let's let them go on. They could go do something. Give them a show. God bless them. And if they bring in ratings, bring in ratings. It'll be like there are other shows on Bravo. don't want.

Kelli (10:44.727)
Yeah.

Yeah, go do something.

We Wine Whenever (10:57.079)
Do you know I've never seen a Rachel Zoe show?

Kelli (11:00.864)
I didn't watch her show when she had it. No, me neither. I love her on Beverly Hills though. I mean, what a great addition. I love her on Beverly Hills, but I never watched her show either.

We Wine Whenever (11:03.371)
Never saw it. I love her. I love her. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (11:14.752)
So we'll see, I'm very disappointed about Miami. I don't like Marisol and I feel like Dr. Nicole left because of Marisol and I loved Dr. Nicole.

We Wine Whenever (11:25.868)
Marisol was always my favorite and Dr. Nicole was my ultimate favorite on that show. Her last season she blew it out of the water and she was a real rich person. She had money, she's buying these jets and her husband and how can they, my God, Gertie and her husband.

Kelli (11:33.133)
She was great.

Kelli (11:43.287)
Yeah

Kelli (11:50.766)
I mean, it's like an American- Who are you those two? They're literally high school sweethearts.

We Wine Whenever (11:53.004)
The show should be on for Gurney's husband if for no other reason. He is the best number one real housewife husband that ever existed.

Kelli (12:03.576)
He's definitely the number one guy in the group, yep. And it was a big Latin representation. It was a big, like it was a big, you know, I think it's a mistake. I don't know what the heck happened with it, but.

We Wine Whenever (12:05.939)
Number one guy. I'm sorry, but.

We Wine Whenever (12:12.407)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (12:18.145)
They, I really don't think it's true. I really, it hasn't sunk in yet. Honestly, you're asking me how I feel about it. It hasn't sunk in yet because it's happened before. And then they brought it, remember they brought it back on just Peacock. And that was real interesting because they hadn't done that before. Although they reran it once the season was done on Peacock. I just think it'll come back. And you know what?

Kelli (12:24.437)
I know.

Kelli (12:28.44)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (12:47.351)
If they don't have contracts, should be picked. You want to pick them up E? You go right ahead. You know what? What's the difference between E, E and Bravo? It's channel 38 or channel 37. You know, it's like, we don't care. I DVR everything. I don't watch your commercials.

Kelli (12:52.716)
Yeah. Yeah, that's what they're doing with the New York Golden Girls.

Kelli (13:01.474)
Yeah, yeah. No, I was listening to, it's called Reality Court. It's Anna Kinkosis and this guy Ace. He could be little annoying actually. But Anna was on the first season of Miami and she's a lawyer. So now she has this podcast. So they were saying that it's hard to come back after being canceled twice.

We Wine Whenever (13:19.913)
Yes. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (13:30.922)
It's not gonna happen.

Kelli (13:32.352)
It's not, I don't think it's gonna happen either, but what a shame. Like I even grew to like Stephanie. Like I really wanted to see Stephanie's second season, cause I felt like she flexed so much the first season. But you know what else that guy aced that? Yeah, but not as like cringy as Amanda is about it. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (13:39.766)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (13:43.969)
She's kinda like Amanda.

We Wine Whenever (13:49.727)
No, no, I like Stephanie. But Stephanie had a story that didn't sound like it was true or it sounded like there was a lot of ifs, ands, or buts about it, you know? How you met the husband, blah, blah, blah.

Kelli (14:02.796)
Right, right.

Kelli (14:06.582)
Yeah, because there was that rumor out there that she was the wife's assistant or something, which wound up not to be even true. All right, well, those are our thoughts on those two topics. Let's get into Southern Charm, the reunion. It's season 11. The first episode, mean, Madison comes out with like a revenge body, not that she needed one, because she's happily married, and Andy asks her she's pregnant. I'm like, Andy.

We Wine Whenever (14:10.805)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (14:32.181)
Wait, can I, I want to say one thing. I am 100 % cis, okay? Never thought of woman I am, strictly men. Madison LaCroix is the most beautiful woman I have ever seen in my life.

Kelli (14:48.312)
think you're right.

We Wine Whenever (14:49.587)
If, if God came down and said to me, Gina, I'm going to make you over. Who would you like to look like? I just Madison McRoy.

Kelli (14:56.706)
Yeah, I actually agree with you. And I had said this earlier on to Wendy one time, like I don't like Sally anymore. And obviously we'll get into it as we're speaking. I felt that way about Sally. thought I am, you know, I mean, I think everything's fluid anyway, but I am a straight woman and into guys, but Sally was so attractive to me.

I was like so attracted to her, I thought. Same thing, like if I had to go for somebody it would be Sally, but not anymore. Now I'd go for Madison because Sally annoys the shit out of me.

We Wine Whenever (15:25.286)
All of them are. Yeah. Well, it was... Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (15:33.952)
But, and you know what? And Madison has never been skinny. You know, like I look at some of these young ladies.

Kelli (15:38.637)
Mm-mm.

Kelli (15:44.718)
Well look at Vanita, I mean Vanita's so tiny.

We Wine Whenever (15:47.924)
or even some of the ladies on Summer House. Just listen, I was never that skinny. I think I skipped like 40 pounds. I think I went from this weight and then jumped 40 pounds like overnight. Like I just woke up and I was a large woman.

Kelli (15:50.574)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (16:05.74)
Yeah, I was never super skinny. No matter how thin I got, because I was single for four years before Eric and I started dating, and I was at the gym every day. I worked out. I was in the best shape of my life when we met. Poor bastard, I really tricked him. But I always still had a little belly. I just always had a belly.

We Wine Whenever (16:27.634)
I never had a belly until I hit menopause. I had big butt, big legs, but my belly was flat. And never until I hit menopause did I get a belly.

Kelli (16:30.611)
okay.

Kelli (16:35.982)
Ha!

Kelli (16:42.38)
Yeah, well, I'm hitting it soon, so I have to really keep myself in check because...

I can't let this belly get any bigger. So we do have the Vivala genes, do. It's the eyes and the belly we get screwed in, yeah. So we do the initial hellos and everybody kind of does their thing with Andy.

We Wine Whenever (16:51.923)
Yeah, and we've got the genes.

We got the vivology. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (17:10.61)
except Craig.

Kelli (17:12.47)
So Andy asks Craig if he watched the season and Craig says no. And Craig says that he's in a space in life where he looks for peace. And Whitner eventually right away calls him out on it. Now what's your feeling on Craig? Because I feel like you have a strong feeling here.

We Wine Whenever (17:29.886)
Well, first off, nobody, you and I never spoke about what we're talking about. You're hearing first time. Yeah, yeah. I feel that I could have written the script, okay, because this is what happened. Last year, Craig separated himself from everyone and he was more of a summer house person because of his relationship with Paige, okay? And when that went south, now remember, he then,

Kelli (17:33.74)
We've never talked about Southern charm before.

We Wine Whenever (17:59.049)
This is last season, or maybe even the season before too, he alienated, he alienated his friends. I mean, he, Austin and Shep weren't just friendly, they were real friends. They're out together all the time. It's like, you hear a lot of these people like the New York franchise, Sonja will say, no, I only see people when I film. I don't ever see them. Those three.

Kelli (18:01.75)
It was two seasons ago,

We Wine Whenever (18:25.737)
I think they said, even said it on one of the reunions was that, you know, they, they used to just be finding, walking down whatever the big street is in Charleston. I mean, that was, you know, they, they were their guys, you know, the three of them, that was a real true friendship. And even they didn't know each other before the show. There were other people who were friends on that show, but Craig did not. Wasn't friends with chef.

Kelli (18:34.722)
Yep. King Street, yep.

We Wine Whenever (18:53.862)
and they were both first seasons. I forgot, they may have known each other from the bars, but they weren't friendly. Craig was actually from Fenwick Island, Delaware. I mean, Shep was friends with Thomas Ravenel and Whitney. There were a lot of real true friendships. Yes, he did.

Kelli (18:55.874)
Yeah. Yep.

Kelli (19:01.144)
Right.

Kelli (19:06.54)
Right, right.

Kelli (19:14.552)
Well, Whitney created this show. Whitney created this show. So I think Whitney had a friendship with Shep, obviously Thomas Rabanel, they ran in the same circles. And I think Craig was just kind of on the outside, but they figured, hey, what the hell? My thought is, I agree with you, I think that they were really true friends, Shep, Austin and Craig. think, whatever I'm gonna say during this episode, I don't wanna come off as I'm...

blaming Paige for anything. Because I think Paige had every right to break up with Craig and move on with her life. I think Craig was very much in love with Paige. And I think Paige made Craig a better person. I think Paige brought out a better version of than has ever been a version of Craig. And I think Craig knows that.

We Wine Whenever (19:52.179)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (20:02.355)
100 percent.

We Wine Whenever (20:09.32)
Yes.

Kelli (20:09.344)
And I think when that, when he was in that relationship, he was so head over heels. He was so happy. He just wanted to be the best version of himself because of Paige. And right. I think that because he, he, Shep and Austin were drinking buddies. And let's face it, if anybody should never have another ounce of alcohol in their body again, it's Craig Conover. Craig do not drink. He just shouldn't drink. And I think.

We Wine Whenever (20:18.961)
And look what happened to his business. Remember, we're talking about two years. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:33.907)
So it's.

That's why his pinkies all twisted, because he punched the wall.

Kelli (20:41.454)
I think that's why he alienated himself from them. I'm not saying it's right, but I do think that that's why. again, I give Paige props because I really feel like she brought out a great, great version of Craig. I don't think he wants to go back to the old version, but without a partner. And I think he really liked Charlie. I think Charlie was the first person he actually really liked.

We Wine Whenever (20:50.653)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (21:10.737)
He had true feelings. And Paige, I know he wasn't blindsided because he's even said, you know, he had some notice, but I think, I mean, he was blindsided when it originally happened. And I don't think it ever, the breakup would have happened if Paige didn't take the initiative.

Kelli (21:12.853)
after page.

Kelli (21:36.622)
Yeah, I totally agree with that. Like I think that Craig would have stayed with her forever. I don't even think he would have been like, you know, one of us has to move. I think he would have moved to New York.

We Wine Whenever (21:39.058)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (21:47.728)
Yes, yes. He loved her so much. And that's, that's what I'm getting at. So now Craig has alienated himself from the Southern Charm cast because he's spending a lot of time with his girlfriend in New York. He is doing his... Yes. He, he's trying to get her to love Charleston like he loves Charleston. But I think, and she basically said it, her mom's up here. She's not leaving her mom. I she talks to her mom every day.

Kelli (22:00.643)
thinking he's probably gonna ultimately move there.

We Wine Whenever (22:17.811)
You know, yeah.

Kelli (22:19.148)
Her whole life was in New York. What she does for a living, she can't just go live anywhere. She has to be in New York.

We Wine Whenever (22:28.242)
I someday you have to explain to me how she makes money off of that because I still can't figure out the internet. it's amazing. I could probably be making so much money doing stuff. have no idea. so anyway, so Craig alienated himself. He did try of course, because he is on the show to maintain a relationship, but

Kelli (22:42.968)
Yeah, right.

We Wine Whenever (22:56.644)
I think he broke up with Austin to be with Paige.

Kelli (23:01.002)
I totally agree.

We Wine Whenever (23:02.417)
Because they were closer than they were with Shep. And if you go back a few seasons, they even spoke about it one time when they all went away, that Austin and Craig were talking how differently they're treated because they're not mailbox babies. You know what a mailbox baby is? Yeah. Whitney, you get a trust fund. Yeah, you get a check in the mail every month.

Kelli (23:24.654)
Well, yeah, what Shep and Whitney are, yeah. Trust fund babies, yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (23:32.302)
they're, they weren't brought up like that. They were brought up in regular households like the rest of us. And they were talking how differently they were treated. So their relationship was closer, I think than either one of them had with Shep. And I think Shep only was friendly with them for the show and then realized how much you liked them, you know, and then it grew and they became true friends. So now this happens, he's with Paige.

Kelli (23:38.638)
Right.

Kelli (23:53.836)
Yeah. Right. And then it grew into something. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (24:02.065)
and he's getting to a point where he's gonna ask her to marry him and he's gonna have to make a decision where they're gonna live, blah, blah, blah. They break up. So now, what does he have? He only has Southern charm. He's not gonna be on the Summer House cast anymore. mean, for two years he was doing both.

Kelli (24:24.546)
And listen, we saw Austin go to him and be like, I wanna hang out. Like before he and Paige broke up and he was like, that's not my life anymore. And I always took that to mean like, I can't go drink with you anymore. I'm on a different path right now.

We Wine Whenever (24:41.573)
Because that's all they did. They didn't do, it's not like they were playing golf or you know what I'm saying?

Kelli (24:43.649)
Right.

Kelli (24:47.986)
Right. So then when he and Paige break up, it's like, okay, so you want your drinking buddy back, but Craig obviously shouldn't drink. And I'm sure he doesn't get like that every time he drinks. But when some, he has anger issues and they clearly come out when he's drunk. I mean,

We Wine Whenever (25:01.91)
He has anger issues.

We Wine Whenever (25:07.29)
Yeah, yeah, he really needs anger management. And on the show, I heard him deflect from the alcohol to the anger. You can't deflect from the alcohol, Craig. know, listen, myself, I'll drink maybe two or three of those cans of vodka, seltzer, or wheat. Like, that's how much I drink. I don't drink much, you know? And there's a lot of people like me that don't drink.

Kelli (25:11.424)
Yes.

Kelli (25:30.41)
Mm-hmm. Right, right, right.

We Wine Whenever (25:36.204)
at all or don't drink a lot. So I don't understand drinking to get that drunk. just, it's, I can't comprehend it.

Kelli (25:45.354)
I think that.

You know, I think that these shows encourage drinking, all of them, you know, and I think it takes a really strong person to resist it. But anyway.

We Wine Whenever (25:56.834)
Trial starting.

We Wine Whenever (26:03.086)
Yeah, and they're also thinking that they have to drink for the show. So so now he's he's trying to get back with them and Austin's really hurt. You broke up with me for her. And I mean, you have to look at it like a boyfriend girlfriend thing and.

Kelli (26:07.106)
But one hunt, absolutely.

Kelli (26:14.829)
Right.

Kelli (26:18.744)
So Austin definitely still has resentment from.

We Wine Whenever (26:22.05)
And he and he as he should chef, could care less. He could care less. Yeah. So I mean, that's how I feel. So this year I knew that it was going to be attack Craig that Craig can do no right.

Kelli (26:26.54)
Right, he's just gonna live his life.

Kelli (26:41.344)
It really did, I mean, listen, I'm not trying to defend him, but I did feel like they were all coming for him. And that van ride in Mexico was horrendous, horrendous the way he was talking to Sally.

We Wine Whenever (26:42.821)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (26:47.662)
We could have written the whole season.

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (26:59.503)
I'm so glad that Charlie was in the same van and saw it. And let me say something now because it was said on the reunion and they caught themselves before they went too far. But they were telling Sally that they didn't want to date her because she's too much of a woman about town. Well, you sure as hell haven't said that to Shep Austin or Craig, have you? Just because, do you know what I'm talking about?

Kelli (27:03.608)
Yeah.

Kelli (27:27.534)
Well, I know exactly what you're talking

We Wine Whenever (27:28.791)
And then they caught themselves and realized, we really shouldn't be talking about that because that's a real gender.

Kelli (27:34.649)
Well, if you didn't love Madison before, you have to love Madison now because she said she and Austin have had conversations where he said that if Sally were a little more tamed down, he would look at her more than a hookup. I'll tell you what though right now, I believe Madison 100 % that Austin said that. Austin is a fuck boy. He is not ready to settle down.

If he were ready to settle down, he would have settled down with Audrey. Sally, cut your losses and move on because I've done it. I've spent time with somebody who I was friends with who I thought it was gonna, you cause I was kind of strung along. This was before Eric, but it's never gonna happen. they don't look at you like that now, it's not gonna happen. I mean,

We Wine Whenever (28:07.406)
Yes.

Kelli (28:30.546)
I understand that some people turn friendships into relationships, into intimate relationships, and it works, and they get married and live happily ever after. I understand that. But not when the guy is saying, you go out too much, you do this. He's looking for an excuse to just be like, I just wanna sleep with you when I wanna sleep with you. And I'm gonna say it's because of this, but it's really not. It's really just that I'm a Peter Pan, and I'm not ready to grow up. That's Austin.

We Wine Whenever (28:55.577)
Tell me what the difference is of the three of those guys being F boys and Sally being an F girl. I was saying to myself, I really like this. They're showing a whole different type of woman from the South and I loved it. There is nothing wrong with her being an aggressor if there was something that she wanted. And they made her look like, they made her look bad. They really did.

Kelli (29:01.037)
Right.

Kelli (29:10.72)
Right. Right.

Kelli (29:19.15)
I totally agree with that.

They did.

We Wine Whenever (29:25.005)
The producers didn't do her any justice.

Kelli (29:28.984)
They never do though. They never do. mean, Austin actually used the word body count. You know what that means, right? Okay. High body count hair. That means you slept with a lot of people. Your body count is how many people you've had sex with. That, if you're her friend, Austin, you don't bring up body count on national television on a reunion on a show you're filming with your friend. He, I felt like Austin,

We Wine Whenever (29:35.545)
Yeah, yeah. High body count here.

We Wine Whenever (29:41.38)
Yeah.

Kelli (29:58.287)
played the victim in a lot of this reunion. You could be mad at Craig all you want. I think what it really comes down to though, with Craig and Austin, this season at least, I know there was built up resentment, when Craig said to him, your life looks the same as it did five years ago. Craig's very successful, let's face it. He's got the business, he's been on the show longer. Austin did the trop hop.

Austin, I don't know what he's doing in his personal life as far as work, but on the surface, it looks like he only has, he and Craig now do, they are partners. I think it's him and Craig. Yeah, but I think that that's what really hurt Austin's feelings. Yeah, but they must've filmed this prior to that happening because I think that really hurt Austin's feelings that Craig said that. Like Shep said, it's like a better than.

We Wine Whenever (30:30.133)
Each chef own a bar.

We Wine Whenever (30:35.251)
it's he and Craig? Okay. And that's been going on for a while.

Kelli (30:55.074)
better than me, better than you, you know, I'm better than you kind of statement. It's not a nice thing to say to your friends.

We Wine Whenever (31:00.431)
Craig could have done himself better.

Kelli (31:06.562)
for sure.

We Wine Whenever (31:07.532)
Yeah. And you know what? From what I understand, I think Austin's beer would have gone well up here. I think it was a light, a lighter fruity type of beer. And yeah, yeah, it sure would have. But I don't understand. I don't it doesn't sound like they're manufacturing it at all.

Kelli (31:16.296)
I totally agree with you.

Kelli (31:20.878)
Tiki Bar, Jenks, that shit would have popped off, Austin. Come up to the Jersey Shore. It will work at the Jersey Shore.

Kelli (31:32.832)
I don't know. I don't know if they are. Listen, and I love all, I like Austin very much. I just felt like.

You know.

We Wine Whenever (31:41.293)
Hey, if he's living off the money he makes on Southern Charm, God bless him. What does he have to do anything else for, you know? We know he's not getting a trust fund.

Kelli (31:46.306)
There's nothing wrong with that. No, there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah. I did.

We Wine Whenever (31:54.091)
You know, and what I mean, he is not an attorney, right? Like what was his.

Kelli (31:58.497)
No, Craig went to law school. He's a JD, he's not an ESQ. So he went to law school, he didn't pass the bar. He's not a practicing attorney.

We Wine Whenever (32:06.303)
No, I'm not talking Craig, I'm talking Austin.

Kelli (32:09.1)
No, he's not an attorney. I don't know what, I'm sure he went to, I'm sure he has a bachelor's degree from.

We Wine Whenever (32:11.181)
Craig did pass the bar, I thought.

Right. But I'm wondering, what did he do before Southern Charm? Was it marketing or, you know, but I thought that Craig passed the bar. I thought Craig passed the bar.

Kelli (32:21.078)
I don't, that's a great question, I don't know. I don't think Craig, I don't even, no, maybe eventually, but yeah, Google. But how about when Madison said that Audrey will be the girl that got away for Austin, and Austin agreed. I mean, again, if you didn't love Madison before, she says something else when we get to episode two that I thought, I'm so glad she said that because I've been thinking it all season.

We Wine Whenever (32:29.952)
Google.

We Wine Whenever (32:38.836)
Yes. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (32:50.546)
excuse me, he passed the bar in April 17th.

Kelli (32:54.124)
He did pass the bar, but he's just not a practicing attorney.

We Wine Whenever (32:57.575)
after initially being ineligible due to a missing law school paper. He completed the requirements. He passed on his first attempt and he was officially sworn into the South Carolina bar in February 18. Yeah. One time. Yeah, one time. He, you know, not like my John John.

Kelli (33:12.29)
Wow, I stand corrected, so he is an ESQ.

Kelli (33:22.776)
I know. That was wild that that guy couldn't pass the bar, wasn't it?

We Wine Whenever (33:29.004)
He didn't have to pass the bar.

Kelli (33:30.89)
No, he didn't have to. It's just wild that he didn't because he was clearly a very intelligent guy. you know, listen, I've worked for lawyers my whole life and the ones who is half of the ones that do pass the bar. I'm like, really?

We Wine Whenever (33:34.121)
I know.

We Wine Whenever (33:38.124)
And New York Bar, say is...

We Wine Whenever (33:45.238)
New York bar is one of the most difficult to pass. Yeah.

Kelli (33:47.833)
For sure, for sure. And when I say that, I'm not talking about my current employers. I love my current employers. They're amazing gentlemen to work for. Yeah. So, let's see. So the first episode kind of wraps up, you know.

We Wine Whenever (33:54.412)
Yeah. And I love my attorney.

Kelli (34:13.662)
Austin, Whitner calls Austin, I'm sorry, Whitner says Austin has a victim complex and Craig is a narcissist. I personally don't think Craig is a narcissist. I know he has bad behavior. I think that there's very specific behavior you have to fit into to be a narcissist. And I honestly don't think Craig does fit into that because he had, I totally agree. He had a good, know, until it was over,

We Wine Whenever (34:35.36)
People use the word too much. They use the word too much.

Kelli (34:43.202)
He and Paige had a good relationship and I feel like he really transformed during that relationship. Again, all credit to her.

We Wine Whenever (34:52.266)
Yes, and his business, that's when his business went through the roof.

Kelli (34:57.1)
And I think if you're a narcissist, I don't think somebody can have that kind of an impact on you, positive impact on you. So I didn't agree with that.

We Wine Whenever (35:04.98)
right right and she did she did now i watched i watched both parts of the reunion a couple of times so i'm kind of like mind-melded like what episode something happened you know because it was a reunion andy goes back and forth but the way craig came in

Kelli (35:09.26)
She did. She did. There's no denying it.

Kelli (35:22.411)
Right, right.

Kelli (35:28.236)
Well, at the end of the first one, Craig felt very piled on and basically told production... When they resumed for the second part, he basically told production, like he's not gonna be vulnerable on the show anymore. That's basically... At the end of the first episode, he said, I don't even know if I'm coming back. And then at the beginning of the second, he said, you know, I'm not gonna be vulnerable anymore.

We Wine Whenever (35:33.557)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (35:37.182)
I don't know if I'll be back.

We Wine Whenever (35:53.289)
You know what, Craig? You've had worse reunions. Remember the time he was drunk and went after Madison?

Kelli (35:56.846)
for sure.

Kelli (36:00.685)
That was horrible. But again, he was drinking. Like, he just shouldn't drink. Don't drink!

We Wine Whenever (36:08.905)
my heart broke because I've loved Madison from day one. never liked the fact that they gave her a bad edit. If she wanted to sleep with every guy in Charleston, let her sleep with everybody. I don't hear you yelling at Shep about doing that.

Kelli (36:25.954)
Well, here was the thing when Madison first came on the show. She was dating Austin. Austin was still in his F-boy era. He's still in the F-boy era. And Shep and Craig knew that about him. Shep was horrible to her.

We Wine Whenever (36:40.956)
And why didn't Shep, why was Shep horrible? Do you remember? Because she turned him down, yes. So she wasn't an F girl, she was somebody that turned you down.

Kelli (36:46.572)
Because she rejected him. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Kelli (36:55.414)
Right. She actually liked Austin and he wasn't ready for that. And listen, what their friendship has bloomed into is amazing. Austin and Madison. I love...

We Wine Whenever (37:00.063)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (37:07.71)
Yeah, I love it when they go out to lunch and he gets advice from her.

Kelli (37:13.836)
and she calls him her gay best friend.

It's so good. So in the second part, we get to Vanita and I'm, so Andy asks her about her relationship with Carl Radke. She said something and I couldn't make it out. She said, okay, good, I'm glad I wasn't the only one. She said that Carl put a dead head in that when he did a people interview and he told them and she said something and I couldn't make it out.

We Wine Whenever (37:32.97)
I didn't understand it.

Kelli (37:47.863)
And I think she said something like he told them this wasn't an issue or something. I couldn't understand her. But basically they're not together again. Apparently he's dating somebody from the current season of Summer House. I'm not watching it, I know Wendy is, and you said you are? I...

We Wine Whenever (37:53.61)
I didn't understand it.

We Wine Whenever (38:03.353)
yeah, I wouldn't miss an episode of that show.

Kelli (38:07.354)
I literally, mean, Kyle Cook, he's not, he's not as high up on the list as Teresa with me, but he is a close second. I cannot stomach that man. I can't stomach him.

We Wine Whenever (38:12.337)
I can't stand him.

We Wine Whenever (38:21.149)
Well, his true colors are really coming out the past season or two.

Kelli (38:24.13)
Well, I heard he had a really bad episode this week, right?

We Wine Whenever (38:27.771)
And yeah, you know that they announced that they're getting divorced.

Kelli (38:31.414)
Yeah, I mean, come on, Amanda, get your shit together.

We Wine Whenever (38:33.179)
So what you're watching is the six months prior to the announcement or however long it was.

Kelli (38:39.808)
Right. So Andy says Vanita was asked about Craig's breakup and then they show Craig on Watch What Happens Live when he says she's not my friend. Then they show Vanita watching him say that. Now, I don't know how you feel, but personally, I'm on Craig's side here. Vanita and Paige weren't even friends when Craig and Paige broke up and the entire Summer House cast, no matter what you asked them, they had Paige's back with that breakup.

We Wine Whenever (39:08.999)
as they should.

Kelli (39:09.606)
I per- as they should and I personally feel like everybody from Southern Charms should have done the same thing for Craig. I don't think I don't think anybody did anything so severe to each other that anybody needs to be You know have hater- hatred feelings towards the other one like from the cast. I'm just saying

We Wine Whenever (39:26.76)
No.

And Madison was the only one who spent time with Paige, how they showed it. Like, Vanita and her did not seem to be friends. I think Vanita did it for a storyline.

Kelli (39:34.634)
Exactly. Exactly.

Kelli (39:42.047)
No. I, so I, one hundred, I totally agree with you. I totally agree with you. I do agree though, that when Vanita said that Craig should have had a conversation with her before like just blurting that out on one to like, she's not my friend. I agree with that. But when, you know, she said she felt like he was enjoying the breakup and Madison's like, he was not enjoying it his whole life.

We Wine Whenever (40:02.023)
I agree too.

Kelli (40:11.662)
blew up and I agree with that. But then you know when Vanina was talking and then Craig tried to say something, Vanina's like you always do this, you talk over people, you cut me off, you don't let me speak, he wasn't even doing that.

He was totally letting her talk.

We Wine Whenever (40:29.383)
He was. He was.

Kelli (40:31.726)
That was a little bizarre.

Sally just annoys the hell out of me. I felt like during this reunion, every time somebody had something to say, Sally would insert herself. Like even when Andy asked Vanita, like, how's your mom? And she's like, my mom's good. And Sally's like, that's my girl.

We Wine Whenever (40:53.991)
And Benita's like, you're what? You didn't even, you never even met, you never even met my mother.

Kelli (40:56.49)
Exactly, like no she's not.

Kelli (41:01.516)
Yeah, like stop inserting yourself.

We Wine Whenever (41:03.249)
Yeah, yeah, I do like her though. I don't dislike Sally because like I said, she's getting the bum F girl rush that that bothers me when they do that to somebody. So I tend to give them more grace. But yes, look, my heart's breaking because she's wanting to be with Craig. He's got her buying chickens.

Kelli (41:15.337)
yeah.

Yeah, I don't like that.

We Wine Whenever (41:32.592)
you're gonna think that he's gonna want to have a relationship with you. You don't just take somebody out to buy chickens if you don't want to ask them out on a date. And there was that hot tub stuff we don't know about. I knew she didn't.

Kelli (41:42.201)
Yeah, but did you clock this? Right, the hot tub stuff. Did you clock this? Did you hear Craig say, so we're all in the hot tub one night and Sally goes off with Cory, who if I never see that guy on my TV again, it'll be too soon. So Sally goes off with Cory and then Craig takes Charlie into the sewing room. Sally, if you were really into Craig, you went off.

with Corey. I'm gonna assume that there was some kissing or something involved. If you're into Craig, why are you going off with his college roommate?

Like, and I'm not saying anything about her hooking up with people. You can hook up with whoever you want, but you're telling us that you caught feelings for Craig and he was leading you on, but you were going off. I'm not gonna assume that you were hooking up with him, but I'm pretty sure you did. You went off with his friend in front of him. I think that Sally was just reaching. I think that Sally...

We Wine Whenever (42:39.622)
Right? Best friend.

Kelli (42:47.156)
Wanted to be the storyline this season. I think Sally wanted the whole show to revolve around her So to do that Yep, she had to be interested in every guy on the show. She had to acute She calls every one of these girls her best friend and that was the other thing that Madison said and I'm so glad she said it You people throw around the words best friend all the time. It's annoying AF and it really is

We Wine Whenever (42:51.023)
And she was. And she knew the price.

We Wine Whenever (43:12.197)
all the time. Madison said, how long have you known her? And it was, wasn't even a year. How do you become best friends with somebody after a year?

Kelli (43:18.432)
Exactly.

Right. Ridiculous.

We Wine Whenever (43:23.173)
You know, I mean, you could feel close with somebody. She's a good friend. She's a dear friend, but she's not your best friend. Best friend, that word should be reserved. Yeah.

Kelli (43:30.7)
Right. She's not your best friend.

Right. And I did feel bad for Vanita in the respect that she said she didn't open up to anybody the way she did Sally. Like even her telling Sally, I mean it was recorded, it was on film, but even her telling Sally about Molly who, by the way, why all of these guys aren't trying to date Molly blows my mind. She's gorgeous. She's so funny. She's smart. She's talented.

Why is, like, date Molly?

We Wine Whenever (44:05.319)
I'll tell you exactly why. I'll tell you exactly why. They have slept together. admitted that. Molly said that she has a medical condition that causes her to gain weight. And there's some times that she's pretty heavy and there's some times that she's not. And these guys don't want that. They're shallow. Yeah, they're shallow.

Kelli (44:12.215)
Yeah, yeah, they

Kelli (44:23.852)
You're right. You're right. You're right. And she did say that she has a boyfriend and she's very happy. So God bless. Like, Molly better stay on this show.

We Wine Whenever (44:29.788)
God bless her. I'm glad she's not in

We Wine Whenever (44:35.547)
But Sally, that's more of the look that they're looking for. mean, how great did she look at the reunion?

Kelli (44:43.842)
I mean, I didn't love her dress. just feel like she, but whatever. It's fine. It's fine.

We Wine Whenever (44:49.243)
think we should talk about dresses because dresses look beautiful walking in. When you sit down, you should buy your dress to sit down in. And I hear so many of these women talk about how painful it was because they're in those dresses for 12 hours. That's why they rip them off when they go to lunch break. Because some of them are so tight, they're painful.

Kelli (45:12.398)
Do you remember the one Atlanta reunion where Phaedra literally almost passed out because she had so much Spanx on, she was sucked in so bad. Her organs were probably like, please lady, let us stretch.

We Wine Whenever (45:28.101)
Why would you do that to yourself? Especially, Portia had beautiful curves, honey. Show them off. You know? And there's so many ways to dress. I'm getting some clothes for a vacation, you know what's going on with that. And I looked at Sutton Strax.

Kelli (45:36.268)
I know. I know. All of them.

We Wine Whenever (45:53.668)
because I remember Sutton from day one, I always looked at her and I said, I think she has a little belly and she's got great legs and the way she dresses takes away the look of her. I don't know what, if it's a line or what that style dress is called, but I always, you know, there's certain housewives, they just do such a phenomenal job. And I even said to you, do you think she had a tummy tuck? Because look at her dresses the last two years.

Kelli (46:10.242)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (46:22.243)
The styles have changed.

Kelli (46:22.476)
Yeah, and she is dressing more for her body this season. Excuse me, I'm not a huge Sutton fan, but I think she looks amazing this season. I think she really, really looks great. Yeah, she really does.

We Wine Whenever (46:27.598)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (46:32.269)
Yeah. Great legs. She's got great legs. Yeah.

Kelli (46:39.762)
So, so Vanita's and Sally's friendship, know, Vanita felt like Sally was playing her for a fool, she was crying at her birthday party, and Madison said, you know, this is the first time in Southern Charm history that everyone is genuine friends, and that's why everyone's emotions are so involved. And I love to hear that, yes. I don't love to hear that Vanita feels hurt, but I love to hear that they're acknowledging, like, we really are friends.

We Wine Whenever (46:59.013)
Cause they're hurt. Yeah, me too.

We Wine Whenever (47:05.29)
No, but yeah, they're real friends.

Kelli (47:08.862)
Like cameras up, cameras down, we really are friends. Like maybe Craig isn't calling Vanita to go to the bar one night, but you know, they're in a circle of friends, maybe some are closer than the others, but they're genuine friends.

We Wine Whenever (47:11.627)
each other all year long.

We Wine Whenever (47:21.763)
Because immediately, Bonita kind of took the page side. That's how it appeared to me and watching. So you don't know how much of that was real.

Kelli (47:30.254)
She did, and you can't blame Craig for having certain feelings about that.

We Wine Whenever (47:35.053)
on that cast that you side with your cast.

Kelli (47:39.98)
You do because nobody, listen, if Craig cheated on her and she broke up with him, obviously, no, you're, you're a jerk. You did. Yeah, exactly. That's not what happened. That's not what happened. And listen, Paige.

We Wine Whenever (47:45.049)
Different story. Yeah.

No. And immediately, Paige started dating that guy that has the dancing sisters. And they finally just, they, where's he, where's he getting his money from?

Kelli (47:59.307)
He's like a billionaire. Joe D'Amelio, he is handsome and he's like a... He's like a sports manager or something. He does something. He's like a sports agent or something.

We Wine Whenever (48:07.845)
because I know his sisters. I watched an episode or two of their family reality show. Did you ever see that?

Kelli (48:16.352)
No, what reality show?

We Wine Whenever (48:19.427)
His youngest sister is a big influencer and makes millions. And she bought this house on an ocean and her family lives with her. And now her sister's doing it. I mean, we're talking about the type of people that make millions upon millions upon millions of dollars on YouTube and the other. They're real big influencers. And the show might be their last name. It was on a Netflix type of a streaming.

I'll look for it later and send you a link. So they had a show, but I

Kelli (48:51.308)
I'm gonna have to look into that. Yeah, send it to me, because he's adorable and God bless her. honestly, listen, I'm gonna say this and I'm probably gonna get some hate for it, but I heard Paige say, somebody asked her about her boyfriend and it was the same thing as when she was with Craig. She said, he's great, he knows when to shut up and he knows when to talk. Now, I know, see, you're laughing. I know people think that's funny.

We Wine Whenever (49:15.545)
I love it.

Kelli (49:20.374)
I think that is so disrespectful to say. I would never say that about my husband. And I say some fucked up shit about my husband. I would never say, I think that is so disrespectful.

We Wine Whenever (49:27.81)
That's the type of stuff you would say after 20 years of marriage to people you know. Yeah.

Kelli (49:33.378)
That's what I'm saying. Like, I don't think Paige is ever gonna get married. I don't think Paige is the marrying kind.

We Wine Whenever (49:40.363)
You wouldn't say that about somebody who you were waiting for an engagement ring from.

Yeah, that's something you say after 20 years of marriage.

Kelli (49:48.951)
I mean...

Yeah, I thought, damn, she must be treating him the same way. And listen, whatever, it worked. Like I said, I give her all the credit for Craig's transformation and I think she deserves it. But whatever. So how about when Madison said, okay, Austin and Craig, take lessons because that's the way you mend a friendship. Talking about Madison and Vanita. Because they did seem to kind of get past, like, I think Vanita had to break down a little bit even though she didn't want to. And listen, when you,

We Wine Whenever (50:14.211)
Yeah.

Kelli (50:21.122)
have glam doing your makeup, of course you don't want to start crying on camera, but I think she needed to do that. Because Sally, something has to break Sally. Sally's out there doing a job, and I don't think she's taking anybody's emotions into consideration. And I think in that moment, she really needed to take Benita's emotions into consideration.

We Wine Whenever (50:40.907)
Isn't Sally the nurse? Doesn't she have a real powerful nursing job?

Kelli (50:45.932)
Yet she does, you know how like in surgeries now, like there's robots who are like.

We Wine Whenever (50:51.039)
she does the teaching. She teaches the road about the, yeah, that's what she does. Yeah. That's a big job.

Kelli (50:54.068)
She's like working the robot or something. She's got a big job, Sally. But Craig said, talk to us after doing this for six more years and then we'll take lessons, because we do need lessons. At least he admit that he does need, that they do need lessons. So then we get to the whole Charlie and Craig of it all. Now.

We Wine Whenever (51:07.524)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (51:19.523)
I thought that was going to be a beautiful relationship and I blame Sally's jealousy.

Kelli (51:21.132)
Well, did I.

Kelli (51:28.236)
Well, what's interesting though is that Sally said she didn't think Charlie was being forthcoming about how close she and Craig were. And Charlie wanted to see where it went with Craig before telling Sally. And then that's when Madison said, you you all throw around the best friend thing too much. But, Charlie is a, you're not watching Southern Hospitality, right? Okay.

There's a new guy on Southern Hospitality, his name is Justin. And talk about an F boy.

We Wine Whenever (51:59.393)
And I saw a picture of him, that's who he, she's dating, right?

Kelli (52:03.89)
That's who she's dating now, but apparently it must have been at BravoCon. They all knew, Charlie must not have gone to BravoCon, or if she was there, I don't know, but Sally, Shep, Austin, they all knew that Charlie was dating this guy, and Austin said he had to sit Craig down and tell him. Like, she's dating this guy. I don't know if, again, I think Charlie,

We Wine Whenever (52:31.447)
You could tell Craig really liked her.

Kelli (52:34.378)
I think she was the first girl after Paige that Craig was like, wow, I, you know, and you mean, mean, well, you dated Joe forever, right? Like, how old were you when you met Joe?

We Wine Whenever (52:38.755)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (52:44.995)
15.

Kelli (52:46.764)
Right. So I dated somebody.

We Wine Whenever (52:47.713)
and I was with him until the day he died.

Kelli (52:51.476)
I dated somebody from 14 to 21 and I was heartbroken when we broke up. you know, four years later I started dating Eric and we've lived happily ever after. But I remember the first guy, I'm not gonna say his name, the first guy I met out at a bar that actually made me laugh after my prior relationship had ended and I thought,

We Wine Whenever (52:51.916)
seven years ago.

We Wine Whenever (53:05.666)
I remember.

Kelli (53:20.972)
Like I can remember the feeling like, all right, maybe I'm gonna be okay. Like maybe, like maybe I can like look at somebody else and be interested in them. I remember that. So I think that that's what happened with Greg and Charlie. I think she was the first person to pull him out of that I'm never gonna love again.

We Wine Whenever (53:38.368)
And I think it's good that it didn't work out because now Craig knows it can happen and he can walk into new things with his eyes wide open.

Kelli (53:44.206)
Right.

Kelli (53:48.547)
Right, what Craig needs to realize, like he said, so then they get into the whole van ride in Mexico and Craig's like, it sucks to mess up because I hadn't done it in two years and that's because he wasn't drinking. I think that Craig needs to, Paige definitely brought out a great side of Craig, but Craig can still be that person without Paige, without anybody. Like you proved that you could be that person.

We Wine Whenever (54:02.774)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (54:14.53)
And you could really find somebody who appreciates you more. did not appreciate Craig. She, and I think part of that's Craig's problem. I don't think she ever misled him. I think he always knew this is what I'm doing. This is where I work. This is where I live. I'm not leaving it. Yeah, Charleston's nice. I'll go down there once. This is not gonna be my home.

Kelli (54:21.941)
I don't think she did either.

We Wine Whenever (54:43.649)
And it can't be your home. And if your business is there, you're going to need to move your business up here.

Kelli (54:50.966)
Right. I mean, Miss Pat said it, Whitney's mom said it, like she didn't think Paige was ever nice to Craig. I mean, I think that's a stretch, but I would imagine the...

We Wine Whenever (54:52.053)
You know?

We Wine Whenever (55:01.265)
I, she's loyal, Pat's loyal. She wasn't at the reunion. She wasn't at the, she's, doesn't she always pop in the reunion.

Kelli (55:04.514)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (55:09.856)
I don't think she does because Whitney's never even on the reunion. don't, I, I don't know. I'm going to have to go back and see. I don't know if Whitney's ever been on a reunion, maybe one or one or two, but I don't, I don't know. So, you know, talking about, you know, Craig realizes that, he has more of an anger issue than an alcohol issue. think sometimes it can go hand in hand.

We Wine Whenever (55:15.265)
Okay, all right.

We Wine Whenever (55:24.168)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (55:39.573)
That's not, you can't think like that, Craig. You can't think like that. You have two problems and you have to treat them both.

Kelli (55:39.938)
But,

Kelli (55:44.682)
No.

Kelli (55:48.745)
Yeah. And when Madison said we need to accept Craig for who he is, like, Madison, this I didn't, and I love Madison, but when she said to Austin, if I were on that van, I would have, you know, calmed him down. would, I think that that's very easy, much easier said than done. I think when somebody is in that state, it's very difficult for anyone to calm them down. So I don't blame Austin for just.

We Wine Whenever (56:13.93)
She's pretty good with that though. Yeah. I don't blame Austin for not doing it. Madison would have done it, but not Austin. Yeah.

Kelli (56:18.762)
Maybe Madison could have done it, but I think that if Austin tried, now I think that Craig would have been even more defensive and it would have blown up even more.

Yeah, so I think that it kind of ended well with the fact that Craig kind of acknowledged like, you know,

We Wine Whenever (56:33.088)
What are you gonna do?

We Wine Whenever (56:42.432)
I wanna know why nobody hooked up with Whitner.

I want to be in that inheritance line. Is he looking for somebody old enough to be his grandmother? Because let me tell you something, there's a lot of houses on that property. I like that property. That's nice. they did that themselves. They're self-made people. They're not mailbox babies.

Kelli (56:47.468)
no.

Kelli (56:51.406)
I

hahahaha

Kelli (56:59.832)
I know. Yeah.

Kelli (57:09.814)
Right, right. And how interesting that Jimmy Buffett's his uncle.

We Wine Whenever (57:15.22)
I know. I said, no, that's not true. I didn't believe it. I thought that was AI. You know me, I don't believe anything anymore. That's his uncle. And they were married forever. They were married like 40 something years.

Kelli (57:16.962)
That was crazy.

Kelli (57:21.486)
No, I think his... Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (57:32.546)
Yeah, no, I'm with you. I don't believe anything anymore. AI has ruined. Yeah, so I don't know. I thought it was a great season of Southern Charm. I hope that if Sally comes back, first of all, I hope this whole cast comes, I did like this whole cast. I'd like to see Rodrigo get married for sure.

We Wine Whenever (57:32.864)
Wow.

We Wine Whenever (57:37.3)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (57:43.434)
Hat, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (57:49.885)
hope she does.

We Wine Whenever (57:57.14)
Rodrigo is the most boring person on any reality TV show ever. Why is he there? He has no storyline. He doesn't bring anything to the show. He either needs to be more interesting or leave because we don't need you. We have Madison. Madison is our, let's get back on track here. We don't need two. Yeah, we don't need two of you.

Kelli (58:23.374)
She's the rock. Madison's definitely the rock. No, and he just tries to stir things up unnecessarily, I feel like. Yeah. But if they're gonna show him getting married, I'm here for that. I love a wedding. I love a wedding.

We Wine Whenever (58:32.542)
He doesn't bring anything to the show. No.

We Wine Whenever (58:40.595)
me too. And we got to at least see one engagement party.

Kelli (58:47.118)
Yeah, I did like how respectful Austin was when they were talking about him sleeping with Madison whether or not they had or I did like how respectful he was being

We Wine Whenever (59:00.286)
No, no, not he wasn't sleeping with Madison. If he was sleeping with Sally. He did sleep with Madison though.

Kelli (59:04.594)
I'm sorry, Sally, Sally, Sally. Yikes. I did like how, yeah, he did. How respectful he was being about Audrey. Cause I think, you know, that poor girl probably really felt like she was made a fool of. She wasn't, she has no reason to feel that way. Austin was the problem in this situation. I don't even blame Sally here. I mean, she had her sights on a taken man, but

We Wine Whenever (59:21.681)
to do with this show.

Kelli (59:33.866)
If you are attracted to someone who has a girlfriend, the only reason you would be so, I mean, a normal person wouldn't be hitting on somebody that they thought was happily in a relationship, right?

We Wine Whenever (59:51.486)
You don't do that in our family, huh Kel? You're get hurt.

Kelli (59:53.74)
So that's right. You'll get very hurt. Very, very hurt.

We Wine Whenever (59:58.162)
You get really hurt, yeah.

Kelli (01:00:01.175)
So I feel like Austin did put vibes out exactly what Craig was saying. I think Austin did put vibes out that maybe he wasn't that happy with Audrey. And that's why Sally thought it was okay to come on to him.

We Wine Whenever (01:00:12.38)
And it wasn't until later, it wasn't during the whole relationship. I think Austin just put those vibes out recently. But they never showed how him and Audrey got together. They never went to, she lives in Charlotte, right? That's a very far, that's a, you have to get on an airplane. You don't just drive that, that's a distance.

Kelli (01:00:24.066)
No.

Kelli (01:00:27.746)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (01:00:32.487)
really, from Charleston?

We Wine Whenever (01:00:34.854)
Yeah, Charlotte's... Charlotte is like by Tennessee.

Kelli (01:00:40.718)
I would, they must've met like online or something.

We Wine Whenever (01:00:41.851)
Yeah, it's like West.

Yeah, or maybe he would they went there to play golf. Yeah, it's a distance.

Kelli (01:00:47.788)
wow.

Kelli (01:00:51.852)
That's interesting.

Kelli (01:00:55.96)
Well, I thought of- Right.

We Wine Whenever (01:00:56.23)
at Charleston, North Carolina.

Kelli (01:01:01.826)
Right. I'd like to go to Charleston. I just want to go to Charleston to go to Republic.

We Wine Whenever (01:01:08.06)
I've been there. love it's great. You go down there, you have to go to Charleston, you have to go to Savannah, both of those cities and don't go in the summertime.

Kelli (01:01:09.12)
and hang out. Yeah.

Kelli (01:01:18.318)
Well, that my father said Savannah too. So November would be a nice time to go, right?

We Wine Whenever (01:01:20.902)
Yeah, Savannah's really. November would be perfect. If you go in the summertime or even the spring, the humidity is something is like you've never experienced. You've never experienced humidity like those two cities. I have a lot of friends that moved to Charleston. Everybody moving to Goose Creek. I know three people that have moved to Goose Creek. That's where everybody moves at or in our income bracket.

Kelli (01:01:30.877)
no, I don't want that.

Kelli (01:01:46.498)
Really?

We Wine Whenever (01:01:50.536)
Goose Creek is the area everybody moves to, And one, two, three, four people have moved there.

Kelli (01:01:58.434)
Wow.

We Wine Whenever (01:01:59.644)
And they're not all related either.

Kelli (01:02:02.488)
Huh. But at least they all have each other down there,

We Wine Whenever (01:02:06.142)
Yeah, yeah, now they got each other. But it's a nice area. It's a real nice area.

Kelli (01:02:13.132)
We are stuck in Jersey, man. We have too much family here.

We Wine Whenever (01:02:18.054)
Our family doesn't leave. Our cousin Johnny moved to Doylestown. He went over the border. We only have one cousin that moved and that was Michael. That was many years ago. That's a whole different, but yeah, no, our cousins, we got like 70 cousins in New Jersey.

Kelli (01:02:20.487)
That's what saying, nobody leaves.

Kelli (01:02:25.248)
Right. He was the only one, though.

Kelli (01:02:31.319)
yeah.

Kelli (01:02:36.46)
And Rosie, but she still has her house in North Jersey, Rosie.

We Wine Whenever (01:02:39.75)
Yeah, Rosie's here anytime you want. You want Rosie to come for dinner, she'll be here. So hop on a PJ and come visit.

Kelli (01:02:47.928)
Yeah. Yeah, we don't leave.

We Wine Whenever (01:02:49.178)
I see Rosie as much as I see most of my other cousins, because that's how much she comes up. And we have a very different type of family that we all still see each other.

Kelli (01:02:54.476)
Yeah. Right.

We Wine Whenever (01:03:03.078)
Our cousins still see each other. I see your mother once a month, we go out to lunch. We were thinking of going out this week and I couldn't make it. But yeah, I see your, you know, yeah. nothing like an Italian New Jersey family. Nope. Now, not gonna happen, not gonna happen.

Kelli (01:03:03.384)
We're very blessed.

Kelli (01:03:14.082)
Yeah, no, we're very blessed.

Kelli (01:03:18.488)
Yeah. Well.

That's right. That's right. Try to get rid of us. You can't. You can't get rid of us.

Kelli (01:03:31.064)
Well, thank you so much, cousin Gina.

We Wine Whenever (01:03:33.233)
Thank you for asking me to join you. It was a lot of fun. And I love talking about Southern Charm. That's one of my favorites. I haven't missed an episode ever.

Kelli (01:03:37.485)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:03:41.238)
Me too, I, yeah, I love this show and I hope that.

We Wine Whenever (01:03:47.141)
And I'm so upset it's over.

Kelli (01:03:49.834)
I know, me too. I felt like this was a very short season.

We Wine Whenever (01:03:53.437)
Every year they make them less and less. Pretty soon it's going to be 10 and done. Yeah, yeah, it really is.

Kelli (01:03:57.034)
I know. I know. It's frustrating. Well, they probably figure Netflix when they put seasons out, Netflix, what do you get, like eight one-hour episodes of a show?

We Wine Whenever (01:04:09.853)
I know, I'm shocked the pit is 15 episodes.

Kelli (01:04:15.022)
Yeah, I have to start watching that. heard that's good.

We Wine Whenever (01:04:17.533)
Oh, we'll talk about that later. That's a, that's a, hundred out of a hundred. That is a must watch. Yeah. We'll talk about that later. Well, you. Bye everyone.

Kelli (01:04:23.682)
Okay.

Kelli (01:04:28.302)
All right, well thank you for watching and listening and please give us five stars and subscribe and tell your friends. Bye.

We Wine Whenever (01:04:36.785)
Thank you. Bye.