RHOSLC The Housewives Rally Around Mary

Lori (00:00.936)
Hi, welcome.

Kelli (00:01.164)
Hi, welcome to We Wind Whenever. Sorry.

Even when we discussed it beforehand, we still don't remember.

Lori (00:06.548)
No, it's a messing up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So welcome to We Mind Whenever, I'm Laurie. And tonight we're talking about Salt Lake City and the episode is

Kelli (00:14.314)
I'm Callie.

Kelli (00:20.192)
It's season seven, episode one, chosen family.

Lori (00:24.116)
Okay, there you go. And due to the heaviness of the episode, I am having lovely Polish beer. So here we go. I told you my microphone keeps falling.

Kelli (00:36.556)
Yeah. I probably should have poured a drink too, because Lori and Wendy both know I lost two nephews to drug overdoses. I this was very like I just I I know you cried too the whole time, even if you didn't go through that. But my sister lost a son, Eric's sister lost a son, Eric's sister lost her only child. It was just very heavy. And I just hope.

Lori (00:52.357)
the hotel. The hotel.

Lori (01:02.398)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:04.13)
that nobody out there is judging Mary for choosing to participate in this season because there's nothing you can do net like

Lori (01:15.932)
I think it's her li I think it's her lifeline actually. I think it's her lifeline.

Kelli (01:18.932)
I do too. I don't think she and Robert Sr. spend a whole lot of time together. Hope maybe they are now, but it just seemed like that. Her this was he was her life, her son, as all of our children are. But I mean, I just don't want anyone to judge her. I don't judge her for bringing this to to you know, last season when they spoke about it. I thought he was so brave to do that.

Lori (01:23.849)
Yeah.

Lori (01:30.308)
Absolutely. Right.

Lori (01:37.245)
No.

Lori (01:42.258)
Right. Absolutely.

Kelli (01:44.298)
It's an epidemic in this country, and we need people to talk about it.

Lori (01:49.693)
Absolutely. Yeah. No, I definitely agree with you. I think that was what I gleaned from this episode definitely is that her being on this show is her lifeline. So I'm actually quite proud of her that, you know, she could put what anybody would think aside and actually do what's best for her because I think that being on this show actually is what's best for her right now in her situation. So

Kelli (02:01.762)
Yeah.

Kelli (02:09.037)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (02:15.722)
I agree.

And I love that she's getting like she doesn't have any problems with any of the women. And I think it's because of what she was going through with Robert Junior. It just put everything in perspective for her that she was not there for any nonsense.

Lori (02:33.17)
Right. Absolutely.

Kelli (02:34.882)
Which they all should be like that. It shouldn't take something like this. But, you know, she was going through the struggle with him. Which is a I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. My wor I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

Lori (02:42.45)
Right. So, you know

Yeah. So it starts out at the reunion last year where Andy is discussing Robert Jr.'s incarceration and then they flash to a scene where they st you know, there was a thing on the screen where it states that Robert Jr. was released February third, a few weeks prior to filming season seven, and that the conversation we are about to see is the next day.

And then we see Mary and I guess that's her cousin. Is that her cousin? And sh Mary was thanking him for picking up Robert from jail because he got out at like one o'clock in the morning. And so they're discussing Robert's now home and it you know, he's clean and you know, Mary states, Well, you know, he's just gotta stay that way and

Then it says three weeks later, and then there's like clouds darkening the sky. And then we open up with Angie saying that, you know, it's very hard to talk about. And then you know, everybody's getting contacted back and forth, blah blah blah. And something else that I wanna say too is that, you know

For Robert Junior and for everyone who struggles with addiction issues, those times where you get out of rehab are usually the most dangerous because they feel like, okay, I'm clean now, so like if I use I can use kinda at the level that I was using before I was clean. And that's usually the demise

Lori (04:33.83)
of people who are going through addiction problems. so then we go to Angie's absolutely. Yeah. And then so we go to Angie's house and Heather comes over. Angie says married would want us to come all together in peace. Whitney comes, Whitney says I have learned the hard way that this is not a time for me to drink when I'm emotional.

Kelli (04:38.136)
Well certainly heroin.

Lori (05:02.898)
because someone had offered her a drink. And Bronwyn comes and by the way, on just a slight lighter note, I absolutely love the sweater that Bronwyn had on. Loved it. Loved it.

Kelli (05:15.032)
Yeah. Well she always looks great. I mean sometimes she's a little outlandish, but for the most part, she's a she's always rocking a good look.

Lori (05:22.684)
Yes. That was good. let's see. Angie says she waited to bring everyone she wanted to bring everybody together to grieve for their friend.

Kelli (05:37.337)
I think they had to talk about it before Mary agreed to film, you know, before Mary was ready to film. Not agreed to, but was ready to. So they had to address it before they just jump in with a bunch of drama, which we didn't really see much of anyway, thankfully, in light of what was going on. But they had to address it somehow before Mary came back.

Lori (05:43.676)
Yeah. Yeah. Right.

Lori (05:52.06)
Mm.

Right.

Lori (06:00.7)
Right. And I think it was I don't remember who said it. maybe Lisa said she's never had a friend go through this. And then, you know, it was it was very weird for me watching it 'cause it's like all of sudden reality T V imitates life. And I just couldn't stop thinking about our friend.

Kelli (06:25.102)
Course.

Lori (06:26.492)
So And you know when when the episode first started and they had their little like cameos or their confessionals and Meredith said something I thought was very fitting she said and which is so right she said Meredith said you can do everything right but you can't control how things unfold.

Kelli (06:48.428)
No, and that's the thing, like especially when your kids are struggling with with drug use. A anything of course, but you know, a lot of people have opinions on how people should you know, handle their ki people have opinions no matter what how you should handle your kids and they really just need to mind their own fucking business because there's night no right or wrong way. I saw my sister and my sister in law do everything in their

Lori (06:53.446)
Anything.

Lori (07:05.404)
A situation. Yeah.

Lori (07:15.027)
No.

Kelli (07:18.958)
power to help their children. The result was the result.

Lori (07:22.302)
Right, and sometimes it just exactly. But let's see. Angie says, Thank you for coming. a few months ago I would never have pictured us all sitting here together. They talk about I they can't even imagine what Mary's going through. Angie says that they would talk about being mothers to only children all the time. Brown says her and Gwen have spent so much time together, just the two of them.

That she doesn't know what would make her get out of bed if she lost Gwen. Bromwit says Mary told her she needs all of them and wants everybody to be good to each other. So Heather says, they all have the shared concern that we have taken each other for granted and have been careless with our bonds. And we have

been reminded of how fragile our relationships are in these moments and we're gonna need each other. Whitney starts to talk and Meredith definitely has like some shifty eyes going on. yeah.

Kelli (08:34.616)
Yeah. Yeah. However, her face look her facelift looks amazing.

Lori (08:41.02)
Now they showed yeah, they showed like a before and after and it I mean, she looks good but it didn't look like that much different to me. I was like, You look kinda good before, I don't know.

Kelli (08:42.925)
Meredith?

Kelli (08:53.858)
I think it yeah, and see to me, like that's a good facelift. Like she just looks so refreshed.

Lori (08:58.874)
Right. Now I had a couple of people that I saw post online that were saying that her hair was looking a little like a wig.

Kelli (09:11.24)
I I I think there might be something to that because in past seasons and I should talk, my hair's getting thin. her hair did look very thin in past seasons. She very well could be wearing a wig or got, you know, extensions or something to make her hair look more full.

Lori (09:28.456)
Or something, yeah. Yeah, so that's what that's what people are saying. let's see. Yeah, we we do, okay. let's see.

Kelli (09:35.128)
But hey, who cares? She looks great. Yeah.

Lori (09:42.099)
So Whitney I mean, Merrith definitely does her little shifty eyes while she's taking her drink and while she's taking a sip and which says, my heart is heavy for a lot of reasons. We all have things going on.

We ha and things we have to work on and I have things I want to apologize for. And I think you can read between the lines looking at Meredith. Which I I don't know, it's wasn't really the time or place. I know, but it w right. No, but it wasn't I don't think it was like the time or the place for her to You're bringing up her own shit.

Kelli (10:14.53)
Well, what she said on st on that stage was not nice.

Kelli (10:21.898)
No, I totally agree. And I think that that's why Meredith said that. Like, yeah, you do have things to apologize for, but we're not doing that today. Like, that's not why we're here. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Lori (10:29.678)
Right. Right. Yeah, she said that in her confessional that now's not the time and the place. And Heather said we were putting all our stuff aside to rally for Mary. And then, I watch it on Peacock, so then I had to watch Gina from the O. C. and Heather from Salt Lake do an Airwick commercial.

Kelli (10:50.254)
Fortunately I watched it on my D V R and could fast forward through that bullshit.

Lori (10:54.728)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. then we go to Lisa's house and she's gonna try and make grilled cheese, but she doesn't know how to turn one of the burners on. Both boys are there. They got so big.

Kelli (11:06.168)
They did, they're so handsome and I really loved this scene.

Lori (11:08.5)
Mm.

Yes, I li I did. And I'm not a big Lisa fan, but it it was very nice. It was very nice. And Lisa says in her confessional that these moments spent with her boys are everything. And then she was saying when she was in she was bantering with both the boys because I guess Jack's been dating a lot and bringing friends home and girls home. And the younger one's been yeah, it's been

Kelli (11:12.65)
I really I know you're not and I yeah, it was.

Kelli (11:38.254)
Henry, yeah.

Lori (11:40.137)
quite busy with the girls too. And he was saying, well they're not my girlfriends, I just kissed them. And Lisa was saying that she didn't get her first kiss till she was in college. So funny. Yeah. But that was pretty cute. And I felt like I felt that like that was like a real moment when Henry Henry was said

Kelli (11:49.198)
Ha ha ha.

Kelli (11:53.486)
They're like loser.

Lori (12:08.468)
You know, I'm not dating them, I'm just kissing them. I f I didn't feel like that was like practice or anything. I feel like he just like came up with that.

Kelli (12:11.062)
I totally agree.

Kelli (12:15.426)
Yeah. Yeah, no, I I thought this was a very genuine scene with Lisa and the boys.

Lori (12:20.728)
All of it actually. And and with John. All of it I thought was very I think there was some big memo put out for Salt Lake. Like we're done with petty nonsense stuff. Like you either gotta get to work and put it all out there or you're s all on the chopping chopping block. I 'cause

Kelli (12:24.714)
I I I agree. I feel like people

Kelli (12:45.059)
Right.

Lori (12:46.728)
so then Lisa says she always wants th their home to be a safe space for their kids and then they start talking and John says he wasn't a safe space for Lisa last year. And John in his confessional says that Lisa is a good communicator and I was like, okay and he's not so much. it was just a really nice scene and it just goes to show that there's

Kelli (13:07.544)
I know. I know.

Lori (13:16.702)
There's someone for everyone, even Lisa Barlow.

Kelli (13:18.91)
Mm. Yes. no, I agree. And I I think that people online are gonna look at this and be like, She made him apologize. And listen, she very well may have said to him, you know, that really hurt me last year that you did that on T V and it would it would make me feel better if you would apologize for it on T V. And honestly, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I think John and Lisa are solid.

Lori (13:25.554)
Mm.

Lori (13:29.32)
Right, that was kind of messed up. Right.

Lori (13:43.838)
No.

Absolutely, I think so too. But but she cannot be easy. He she cannot be easy to live with.

Kelli (13:48.48)
Yeah. And I and I think that he heard her.

Kelli (13:54.305)
No, obviously. But it you know, it's interesting that he was so honest in the fact and this could be I mean, I don't think this is why he said what he said, but this could be true. He, you know, is trying to find his way to provide for his family. She has the show now. You know, they have their Vita tequila, but they she also has all these endorsements. She's got Wendy's, she's got did she do Dairy Queen?

Lori (13:56.243)
You know.

Lori (14:16.69)
Yeah. Right.

Kelli (14:20.59)
I don't I feel like she's done a couple of things, which I think is another reason that Whitney and Heather are so salty about her, quite honestly. But she's making money.

Lori (14:22.266)
A couple of things, yeah.

Lori (14:27.026)
Yeah. And yeah, and you know, he did make the comment or she said it in the confessional about how, you know, with the Mormonism and the church, there's a lot of pressure put on men to be like the perfect husband, the perfect provider. And if you know what I mean, so he must have been feeling something. But he was very open and very honest and I was like, Okay, okay, now I can see like a little bit of

Kelli (14:45.07)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (14:52.588)
Yes, he was. Yeah.

Lori (14:58.386)
Maybe that's kinda real, you know? Not so scrip not so scripted. Whitney and Braum would meet up to play pickleball and everybody in the world is loving Whitney's outfit that she had on. That like very cute.

Kelli (15:00.45)
Right. I totally agree. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (15:12.256)
It was cute. I don't know how she was playing with that big puffy jacket on, but it was super cute. they were outside. You're right. They were on an outside court. Yeah.

Lori (15:16.454)
I think it's cold there. I think it's cold. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

let's see.

Kelli (15:30.072)
How about when Brahman was like, Everybody is noticing that Whitney and I are noticing each other and she did this. And then she's like, No, I'm just kidding, not like that.

Lori (15:30.132)
and then

Lori (15:36.166)
Right. The little scissoring thing. Yeah. let's see. And then she asks, if Whitney has heard from Mary. Whitney asked Bronwyn,

Then then they talk about Brahman says she calls or texts Mary every day and Whitney asks Brahman if she's gonna bring anybody to the service. And Brahman says Todd offered to fly in and go. and then Brahman starts talking about how when Todd didn't do anything for her on her fortieth, right after her dad passed, that was kinda like the final kind of nail in the coffin for her.

about her marriage and whether she should stay in it or not.

Kelli (16:22.956)
Yeah. I mean, listen, he was clearly, clearly cheating. He there must have been multiple infidelities, which

Lori (16:30.004)
Right, clearly. well she says later on the episode, she says that there was a handful of times when she was ready to just be like, I you know, I can't do it anymore. So

Kelli (16:47.264)
Are these women who are sleeping with Todd though? I'd like to know. Please, please let us know because

Lori (16:52.628)
I dun maybe Todd's got some kind of game that we don't know about.

Kelli (16:55.916)
Todd must clearly have game because at first sight you're not like, Yeah, I gotta I gotta have it. Right. Exactly. Puss Pussy's got Brahmin at home. Like she's a hottie. She's a baddie. Like I don't I don't I don't get that, but whatever. But yeah, the not doing like not even a card for her birthday. Like I don't think she's the type that's like, you have to throw me a big surprise fortieth birthday.

Lori (17:01.325)
Ooh, Daddy. No. No.

Lori (17:08.732)
Yeah, she's a hardy. Yeah.

Lori (17:24.261)
No, I don't think it was about that.

Kelli (17:25.122)
'Cause I don't think he's the type to throw a party, but get her a card and a present for crying out loud.

Lori (17:28.402)
Yeah. Yeah. I think it was just th the it wasn't so much the party or lack of, it was the thought or the not thought of it.

Kelli (17:36.994)
Yeah. Yeah, like just get the knuckleheads from the show together for her at least. Mm-hmm.

Lori (17:41.576)
Something. Brahman says that protecting your marriage or Todd came at the price of hurting herself.

And then she talks about her Brandon.

32. He's fine. She's gotta be 50 something. He's fine. And Brahman says she's in this phase of if something feels right, I keep doing it. And if it doesn't, I don't. Then Whitney says she has things to apologize for with Meredith and Lisa, and then they show the one month earlier at the what is the B R E A?

Kelli (17:55.543)
said he's thirty two, and how old's she? Do we know? He is he is fine.

Lori (18:24.756)
I don't know what that stands for. It said B R E A, C A drag brunch. I don't know what that.

Kelli (18:32.639)
I don't know. Maybe it's a bar like a club like a restaurant there or something?

Lori (18:35.329)
I don't know or some ki I don't know, acronym for some kind of

Kelli (18:38.808)
Brahman's forty one. So how old is that guy? Thirty two.

Lori (18:42.578)
Dirty two.

Kelli (18:44.302)
Whatever. Go ahead, Brahman.

Lori (18:45.372)
Right? Still still still

Stella get your groove back, is all I got to say. Yeah. And so they show her Whitney at the drag brunch, obviously tanked, saying Merritt is a bitch and I hate her and then they kinda bleeped it out, but I think I think she called Lisa the C word. I think she did too. And Whitney says she has decided alcohol's not serving her, she is serving it.

Kelli (18:53.25)
That's right.

Kelli (19:02.478)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (19:11.234)
I think she did too. Yeah.

Lori (19:20.24)
And they show back go back to the reunion, her hugging Justin crying, saying Brown just told everybody that her and Todd are separated and that everything they're going through and it made her sad. So, you know, a flashback to problems with her and Justin. Yes. Heather's daughter Georgia comes home from college and

Kelli (19:39.042)
Right, a little foreshadowing.

Kelli (19:45.816)
Heather was so annoying and quite honestly, so were her daughters. I hate to be mean about the kids. At least this one in particular, Georgia. This was she annoyed me.

Lori (19:55.957)
She knows she know it you all right. Heather's saying, when you come home from college, it's time for me to assess assess what kind of skills I've imparted to you. Because if you can't make brownies, how can you keep a man? And then they FaceTime Annabelle and Heather's going on a date, and then they flash back to all Heather's chocolate dates.

Kelli (20:23.074)
Yeah. Right.

Lori (20:24.126)
Mm-hmm. And then they then we meet Tripp and find out he left Mormonism when he was seventeen. And so Heather says they are horrible Mormons together. And she

Kelli (20:38.05)
I found it very interesting that they dated shortly in two thousand sixteen and now he's resurfacing. So I looked it up and Salt Lake City started sho started shooting in twenty twenty. So I wonder if this guy was like, Hey, you're on a show. I I would be very skeptical. I wouldn't if I were single and a housewife, I wouldn't be able to date because I would think everybody would was trying to date me because I was on a show. I trust no one.

Lori (20:53.012)
Well,

Lori (20:57.992)
He

Lori (21:04.936)
Right. Well, isn't it like Bethany Lee Frankel said, she never wanted to date anybody who was comfortable being on camera.

Kelli (21:12.834)
Right. Exactly.

Lori (21:14.726)
And he did have the pretty big scene. The entrance with the motorcycle. And I was like Yeah. So she met him when she first opened Beauty Labs. He was like the handyman or something. And then I can't believe Heather said this when she says that he doesn't sleep over. She says we hang and bang. I was like okay. Okay.

Kelli (21:18.078)
rolling up on the motorcycle?

yeah.

Kelli (21:43.278)
She is a bad

Lori (21:45.05)
Okay, Heather, go ahead with your beds off.

Kelli (21:47.352)
She's just this is her thing. This is her persona. She is a bad Mormon. She loves that her kids aren't there anymore. She can bang her boyfriend. Like

Lori (21:55.401)
Right.

Right. A little too into it, right?

Kelli (22:00.727)
She's too into it. She just she wanted to be that cool girl in high school. She wasn't, and she thinks she's it now. That's my perception of Heather. I wasn't a cool girl in high school either, and I could care less now.

Lori (22:07.646)
Right.

Yeah. So they dated

Lori (22:14.197)
Well there you go. they dated when they first met, then she caught him texting some other girls, and now they've been dating for four months. and then Georgia, the daughter, comes down with a notebook, and this would be me. Like if my mother ever started dating anybody, I would be the same way. I'd be with the notebook. comes down and kind of like grills him. and then Georgia in her

Confessional says he's giving bad boy energy.

Lori (22:47.186)
And then she asked him some questions, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But in the end he says the problem was timing and then one constant was how much he loves and respects her mother and blah blah blah. So

Kelli (22:58.882)
problem was timing because at the time he wanted to date multiple women. But now he's good with just one who's on a Bravo show.

Lori (23:04.156)
Right, and now he's good with just one.

Lori (23:10.002)
Yes. Okay. And then we go to Bromwyn's house and she's unpacking from her Brandon Marathon. They went to Montana, Paris, at New York Fashion Week and Sundance. And we find out her house is sold and is closing in thirty days. And she tells her mom she's not going to like this, but it's her dark humor. She said, Last year you lost your husband and sold your house, and this year I lost mine.

And then and then her mother Maisie says monkey see, monkey do. I thought that was funny. Brown one says she doesn't know what she's gonna do, but she's glad she has Muzzy and her daughter and the boyfriend. She wants to buy the daughter a house and put it in her and Gwen's name and then transfer it later. Gwen is concerned about, you know, staying close to Todd because I guess he's just staying in New York now. She said he

Kelli (24:07.916)
Yeah, and he was the father figure. I mean, she was very young when they got married, I believe. He did help raise her, I believe.

Lori (24:12.412)
Right, right. Yeah. So Brahma says they haven't filed yet, but she'd like to start the process, but it still feels very raw for her. She knows she's it sounds stupid because she's the one driving it. And this is where she said there's been a handful of times where she should have said, This is it and then they flash back to the Greece trip, you know, where she talked about stuff with the girls on that yacht.

And she said she realized that she's been by herself in this marriage for a long time. And Muzzy asks her, she says, Are you dun done? And this is very telling because Brahman says, I think I have to be. So I think that she really wanted to stay in her marriage, but I think he couldn't keep his hands out of other people's pants.

Kelli (24:53.102)
Mm.

Kelli (25:05.516)
Totally agree with you and it blows me away because, like I said, he's, you know, old and not that attractive. I'm sorry, I'm just gonna say it. And and Bromwin is young and very attractive. I know that's not what it's all about, but

Lori (25:23.034)
No, no, but I understand what you're saying. And

Kelli (25:25.75)
The optics are it's like wait, he's cheating on her? Wait, what? Like, you know, but I guess he's got some big job. Women are attracted to power. They're not really you know, a lot some women are attracted to power and not really looks, I guess. I I don't know. I I feel like I'm saying too much.

Lori (25:31.388)
Right, what? Yeah, exactly.

Lori (25:36.891)
Right.

Lori (25:42.526)
Well, they overlook it. They over they overlook the looks for the power. There

Kelli (25:48.214)
Right. And if he's got some game and he's throwing money around and he's wining and dining you in New York City while his wife is at home in Salt Lake City.

Lori (25:56.397)
Mm. Yeah. You know, it's a thing. Yeah. And it was a little sad. I I found this scene a little sad with her and Muzzy because you know, Brahman's clearly upset. And then Muzzy comes over and sit next to the c sits next to Brahmin on the couch and you can just tell this is not she's just not a warm and fuzzy mom, like

Kelli (25:58.679)
Easy to fall into it.

Kelli (26:23.756)
No, muzzy is not fuzzy.

Lori (26:25.704)
Muzzy is not fuzzy, no. And, you know, I don't know. It was just she did try and and that was nice, but it but at the same time it it is sad. and Braunwin says that she got so small that Todd Connor forgot that she was there. And she's never been alone. And Muzzy just says, you know, be careful who you you know, bring in somebody else into this.

Kelli (26:30.424)
But at least she tried. Like at least she got up and went over there. Yeah.

Lori (26:55.264)
And, you know, of course her mother doesn't think she should date anybody right now. 'Cause her mom's like super Mormon. And she said it was kind of uncomfortable for Gwen when it got so public. You know, of course. And

Muzzy says that Gwen is very excited about what Brahman is doing for her and Brahma's funny. She says, Well, Muzzy, if you bought me a house, you could sleep with whoever you wanted. And then Lisa and Meredith meet for lunch. Meredith was at the GLAD Awards because Brooks was nominated but didn't win. we find out Meredith gets a facelift. Like I said, I don't think she looks that different, but I guess like you said, that's a good thing.

Kelli (27:21.588)
That's funny.

Kelli (27:39.179)
Yeah.

Lori (27:39.42)
And then Lisa tells Meredith about John apologizing. And then we find out that Lisa had called John after the lunch and said, I think we're done.

So

Kelli (27:55.093)
I didn't see that. That must have only been on Peacock. I watched it on my D VR.

Lori (27:58.828)
yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (28:03.617)
I don't think I saw that.

Lori (28:06.824)
Yeah. And that he told her, you know, I love you, I can't live without you and she told him, Well, you know, I don't fucking feel like you do. So

Kelli (28:22.562)
Maybe I just zoned out because I feel like why would they cut that out?

Lori (28:29.02)
And then you know, then they start to talk about Whitney and Lisa said nobody takes her serious, it's clown behavior. Meredith said she's not a baby now, she's old. Lisa said if it wasn't for Robert's services, she wouldn't even be in the same room with her. And then she says she's a ding bat and she's lost all credibility. Yeah, she's lost all credibility, and then I think it was Meredith who said

Kelli (28:52.608)
All these things are true, by the way.

Lori (28:58.228)
D well did she ever have any?

And then we cut to Mary and she says, I'm ready. And then they show it's like three weeks after filming that Mary came back. And then my god, when Mary's in the house and you see all those baby pictures of Robert Jr., I just can't I can't. And then Mary's looking for Robert Jr.'s dog, Cray. And this was sad too. Because you know the dog's looking for him.

Kelli (29:15.502)
Okay.

Lori (29:32.846)
And she says she's been avoiding Robert's room but then the dog went in there, so she had to go in there. and then she says the dog knew that Robert was gone. You know, when they let him in the room afterwards.

And then she talks about how important the dog is 'cause she feels like she has a piece of Robert Jr. 'cause Robert and the dog were so close and when she thinks of the dog she thinks of her kid. And she says she doesn't want to lose herself and go to that dark place. And she doesn't want to cry about it 'cause it doesn't do any good. She's a fucking rock star, man.

Kelli (30:10.67)
She is a rock star and and you know what I loved? I loved that they kept referring to his services as a homecoming.

Lori (30:18.984)
I think that that's an African American culture thing. I think yeah, but I think it I think it also is an African American thing. Like it's that's what they refer to. So absolutely.

Kelli (30:24.31)
Okay, I thought it was just like Pentecostal, like

Kelli (30:35.074)
Well, whatever it is, it's it's beautiful. It's it's a beautiful reference to someone to someone's services when they've passed. I I l I l I love that that they referred to that.

Lori (30:42.694)
Yeah. Yeah. She said he was my gift and she says she loved him like she never loved anything.

Lori (30:54.537)
and she was saying how she gets like a thousand messages a day. I'm sure she did.

You know, from everybody. So that's nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (31:02.67)
From fans, of course. I mean, you know, she included all of us in this journey. That's why I'm like, that's like so it was so brave of her and him. And for anyone to judge her for that, like I just thought that that was horrible. And somebody, Jill Zaren from New York, her daughter, w was quoted. And I don't, I'm not trying to drag her at all.

But she said like he might regret that when he's older sharing that. And I just thought 'cause she shared other th but she shared like weight loss and arthritis or something like that. I thought, I don't know. Like

Lori (31:39.976)
Right. But I can un but I that's kind of an understandable thing to say. That he you know, he he might Right. Right.

Kelli (31:44.107)
Yeah, of course. That's what I mean. I don't want to say that sh she did that negatively. I don't want to put a negative spin on it, but I thought it was very brave of him to do and it's an epidemic in this country and it needs to be talked about, just like mental health. Because it all stems from mental health addiction issues.

Lori (31:56.425)
Sure. Right. Absolutely. Yeah. So Meredith comes over. Mary says she just can't stop her life and wobble and that Robert Jr. wouldn't want her would want her to move forward. And that's when Meredith says he helped a lot of people and it took courage to share his struggle. Mary said she believes that that was the right thing to do and still believes it.

Kelli (32:20.344)
Yeah, for sure.

Lori (32:26.27)
And then Heather comes over and says, you know, she was saying how in her confessional Mary doesn't let a lot of people in and doesn't ask for help. And then Heather says there's been a lot of hasn't been a lot of camaraderie within the group, but is you know, hoping that their bonds or the friendship can transcend, you know, the different

the difficulties that they have with each other. so everybody comes over, Whitney Bronwyn.

Lori (33:03.742)
Did you want to say something? And then Lisa was saying how the service was magical. She was expecting it to be, you know, a lot of mourning and sadness. And Heather said it felt celebratory and rapturous and full of energy and support. And Angie says she's grateful that Mary has shown them all a different way to look at homecoming.

That it can be beautiful and uplifting.

Lori (33:37.894)
no.

Mary says she's at peace and that Robert isn't s you know, struggling and she talks about her guilt. And Mary says, You don't know how strong you are. Yeah.

Kelli (33:50.862)
That's the worst part. The people left behind are like, What could I have done more? But you there's nothing. There's nothing you could do.

Lori (33:56.585)
More but there's not there's nothing. No, no. And Mary says you don't know how strong you are until you absolutely have to be. Braunwood says Mary has blown her mind in almost every conversation that they had since Robert passed. And Mary says God has given her a family and you know talking about the girls and that they've all shown up can you believe she said her sister didn't call?

Kelli (34:28.14)
I think it was a real separation in the family when her grandmother put those wishes into place that Robert Sr. marry Mary. Because as crazy as it sounds, her grand so we've talked about this. Mary's grandmother was twenty years older than Robert Sr. Robert Sr. was twenty years older than Mary. So the math adds up. Mary's mother thought she should be.

Lori (34:40.796)
Yeah.

Kelli (34:54.956)
The next person to marry Robert Sr. I I mean the whole thing is crazy to even think about. But I would imagine that the same riff she has with her mother, she has with the other siblings, because look what she inherited. I mean, listen, it doesn't mean dog shit now. She just lost her son. She could have a, you know, millions and millions of dollars. It doesn't matter. She lost her son. Go support her. Like, what are you doing?

Lori (34:58.504)
It's just crazy, right? Right, right.

Lori (35:07.028)
She has with now their sister.

Lori (35:19.454)
Matter, right.

Yeah, and I thought that was I thought that was like, whoa. Right.

Kelli (35:24.29)
This is your sister.

She lost her son. Go give go go hug her and tell her you're so sorry.

Lori (35:31.356)
Right. Right.

So Mary says you you know, you really see your family when you go through something, you know who's real. And this is true.

Kelli (35:45.484)
I've always said weddings and death bring out the worst in people, in families.

Lori (35:49.135)
Absolutely.

And then so you know, Mary was talking about how their the girls are her family now, and Mary says, Even though I didn't ask for you.

Kelli (36:01.469)
That was funny.

Lori (36:01.972)
And Bromman and Broman said she'd trade us in in a heartbeat and Angie says the sister she never wanted. And then Mary says, I thank God for you and then

They show a thing of robber at the end, I can't.

Kelli (36:18.06)
I know. It was very, very heavy. Way too much, but I thought that they did it really well. I'm really happy Mary came back.

Lori (36:19.166)
Can't I can't I can't. It's too much. Too much.

Lori (36:26.823)
yeah. Very well. Yeah, I think it's gonna be good for her. I think it's the best.

Kelli (36:32.288)
I do too, and I just hope like I just hope it keeps the n the bullshit, nonsense drama at bay.

Lori (36:43.602)
Well, you certainly have high hopes, child. You do. So

Kelli (36:46.88)
I do have high hopes. I do. It's interesting though to watch Ultimate Girls Trip at the same time as this because Ultimate Girls Trip was right after the reunion, the last reunion, and they were all in such a bad place, obviously, which we're seeing it play out. So I'm curious to see how Lisa gets along with all the other ladies now, after Robert's law you know, the loss of Robert and how they're gonna move forward.

Lori (37:00.786)
Right.

Kelli (37:14.252)
So this is gonna be int the the timing is interesting how this is playing out.

Lori (37:14.451)
Yeah.

Lori (37:19.09)
Yes. Now I also saw some other things. Did you see the coming attractions for the Salt Lake for next episode?

Kelli (37:27.458)
Yes.

Lori (37:29.764)
I have seen some social media posts where, you know, there's a scene with Angie and what's his name? Sean talking and I think it was I think it was Trez Trez rant. I think he said, I don't know, looked like he had a little lipstick and eyeliner on. I was like, and I reround it like three times and tried to look and I was like

Kelli (37:51.224)
What

Kelli (37:57.176)
Does he?

Lori (37:58.665)
I I don't think so, but I could see where he would say that, but it would just make me laugh. I just think he's so funny. Yeah. So So we'll see.

Kelli (38:03.704)
That's hysterical.

Kelli (38:08.952)
We'll see. I'm glad it's back. I'm glad this first episode is over because it was a lot.

Lori (38:15.827)
Yeah.

Kelli (38:17.622)
It was a lot. But

Lori (38:19.966)
So there was a thing on there at the end that was lifeline dot org. So if anybody, you know, is struggling in any way, just even whether whether it's with the process of grief because

Kelli (38:42.882)
Yeah. You know, if you're local to the Jersey Shore area too, there's a couple of other ones. Obviously Cully Strong we've spoken about before, our good friend who lost her son to suicide. started Cully Strong. That's for mental health. And there's also Hope Sheds Light in this area, and that is for people who

Lori (38:44.998)
That alone will get you.

Kelli (39:07.742)
suffer with substance use issues and their families. There's a lot of support not only for the individual with the substance use issues, but their families. It's a real it it's it's a really great organization. Hope sheds light and Cully Strong and, you know, just we just pray and N A A and N A and all that stuff. Like we just pray for everybody who's struggling.

Lori (39:17.948)
Their families, yeah.

Lori (39:32.156)
Yep. All right, so that's it. Yes.

Kelli (39:36.355)
Thanks for listening and watching. Please like, subscribe, share. All the things. Bye.

Lori (39:43.409)
All the things. Bye.