Wendy (00:00.942)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.16)
I'm Kelly.

Lori (00:04.929)
and I'm Lori.

Wendy (00:06.86)
And we are talking about Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, season six, episode 11, Ladies Who Lunch, the sequel.

Kelli (00:17.216)
So guess we've had another episode named this before.

Wendy (00:17.518)
before

Well, yeah, I guess we must have, Was, yeah, the-

Kelli (00:22.896)
Right? Why else would they?

Lori (00:23.789)
Yeah, I was like, yeah, I was wondering about the name, like what?

Kelli (00:27.317)
Yeah.

Wendy (00:27.788)
Well, wasn't, what's her name? Lisa's, wasn't her the lunch was called something, the clarification, what is she called? Clarity, I don't, yeah.

Kelli (00:32.04)
Yeah.

Clarity Clarity lunch

Wendy (00:40.482)
These lunches, usually don't go well.

Lori (00:43.191)
No, nothing goes well. Nothing goes well.

Wendy (00:45.335)
Yeah

So we start out with Lisa and Meredith are driving in the car after the church service on their way over there. And Lisa's talking about how the energy was off when they first walked up at the church. Why wouldn't it be off? I mean, are you that dumb? Like you don't see what's going on?

Kelli (01:00.916)
Right.

Lori (01:04.257)
Yes. The answer is yes. Yes.

Kelli (01:10.186)
I mean, nobody's passed what happened on the plane, obviously.

Wendy (01:13.774)
Right, right. Well, because it's never been discussed. Not with the people that it needs to be discussed with.

Kelli (01:19.432)
Right, not all at once. Not all at once, yeah. Not all of them at the same time, I mean.

Lori (01:19.544)
Right.

Wendy (01:21.346)
Right.

Lori (01:24.473)
Yes.

Wendy (01:24.896)
Right. And then Whitney and Heather are having the same conversation how, know, Meredith and Lisa were so fake when they walked up. What was with the betta fish? Mary has betta fish for them to take home? Yes.

Lori (01:40.631)
I was thinking to myself, right, but I was thinking to myself, just the logistics of that, what am I supposed to do? Like, how am I supposed to drive with it? The water sloshing? Like, what, what, what is going on with that?

Kelli (01:41.002)
I don't know, but they really are fighting fish.

Kelli (01:53.342)
Yeah. How are you driving home? And they were little bowls and those fish do, they do better in smaller containers. I know that. But I mean, right. And how are you driving home with that?

Wendy (01:58.199)
Yes!

Lori (01:58.369)
I am dead it.

Lori (02:05.889)
Right, but sloshing is sloshing. How are you driving home with that? was thinking to myself, alright, well this is... Thanks, Mare, but no, I'm good. It's a nightmare.

Wendy (02:18.07)
Yeah, that was kind of funny. thought I was like, only Mary though. Who else would come up with that?

Kelli (02:22.654)
Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Well, because Mary's got somebody driving her there and driving her home. Mary's not driving herself.

Lori (02:24.173)
Yeah, I didn't get it. Whatever.

Wendy (02:29.366)
Right. Right.

So then they all do the toast to Dom Perignon 2003. And I forgot when Mary explained it again that that to the 2003 Dom Perignon, that was the year that there was a heat wave and 5,600 people died. And it made the best grapes of all time. That is why the 2003 Dom Perignon is Mary's favorite.

Kelli (02:51.678)
And Heather asked if she should look for the tears of the deceased.

Lori (02:54.867)
Yes. Great.

Wendy (02:56.906)
It's like, this is so funny. This is so fun. Like you can't make this stuff up.

Kelli (03:02.555)
No, you really can't.

Wendy (03:05.484)
Honestly, this is why I love Mary. This is really why I love Mary. She's just so funny. She's just so funny. Speaking of Mary, actually, I wanted to bring this up. You had mentioned last week that her son was arrested again and he's still in prison. And the wife has filed for divorce. So that's happened since then. And again, our thoughts and prayers go out to him. I actually think...

Kelli (03:07.573)
For sure. For sure. Like, you know, she just says it.

Kelli (03:30.016)
Absolutely.

Wendy (03:31.478)
and I'm sure Mary would agree, him being in prison right now is the best place for him to be.

Lori (03:35.629)
The best, yes. And I had seen somewhere that he did something really like kooky, like he was trying to get in our house, the ex, and he like went through the dog door.

Kelli (03:35.678)
Absolutely.

Wendy (03:37.578)
and

Wendy (03:47.382)
Yeah. Yes.

Kelli (03:47.722)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Wendy (03:51.544)
That was the first time he got arrested. That was the first time. Yeah, yeah. Yes.

Kelli (03:53.512)
Yeah. Yeah. No, we definitely pray for him because he's struggling. So, but yeah, jail's the best place for him. You just have to hope that he has a really good exit plan for when he gets out.

Lori (03:53.805)
Tracy.

Lori (03:59.171)
Yeah.

Wendy (04:09.464)
Well, hopefully, this is my hope for him, is that they will put him in an inpatient treatment center. And like he said when he was visiting the church, that last time he was doing treatment, at least he has a higher power. So hopefully this time for him it will be successful. And all we can do for him is pray for him because it's in his hands.

Kelli (04:14.142)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (04:14.743)
Yes, that's exactly what he needs.

Kelli (04:26.676)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (04:27.032)
Yes.

Lori (04:34.041)
And really, that's all Mary can do for him either. Unfortunately. Yep, yep.

Wendy (04:38.774)
Right, 100%. Yeah, and that's what she's doing, right? Yeah. So then Mary sits down and when after she does the toast, she's like, you know, this was a really important day for me. And I wanted a group of friends around me that meant something to me to be here for this day. And as you can see that Brittany is not here, but I did call her and let her know she wasn't invited. I was like, where's this going? But...

Kelli (04:42.239)
Yeah.

Wendy (05:07.638)
Mary being Mary. She said the reason she wasn't invited is because she had said, Brittany said to Mary that she was the most ungodly person that she had ever met. She didn't exactly say that, but she said something very similar to that on the ship when they were on their cruise.

Kelli (05:09.098)
Yeah.

Kelli (05:23.262)
Yeah, she said she's the least Christ-like person, so, yeah.

Wendy (05:27.508)
Yes, right. So Mary explained that to her and she said, Brittany did apologize and she meant it. And she said she was just about to hit the floor. This was another thing she said. She's like, I looked at my dog and I said, should I invite her? Should I give her a call? And he didn't say yes. So I didn't call her. I'm like, my gosh, Mary's now getting advice from her dog. Should give me your paw. No.

Kelli (05:51.104)
from her dog. He really did not agree though. He laid down and kind of grunted and was like, no, let's, you know what? He was thinking what we're all thinking. We're not giving Brittany another moment.

Lori (05:52.205)
from our dog. Yeah.

Wendy (05:56.983)
Yes!

Lori (05:58.487)
No.

Lori (06:03.425)
Yeah, no more air time.

Kelli (06:05.194)
That's right.

Wendy (06:07.288)
Well, I think the funny part was the whole purpose of her telling us this story is the fact that if Brittany could apologize and Mary can forgive her and move on, that we need to figure out at this table what's going on here. And we all need to do this because, you know, this isn't how we act. This is not how adults behave, right?

Wendy (06:32.482)
Then Heather jumps in.

Kelli (06:32.52)
All I could think during this was Brittany, Brahman must be like, thank God I was not on this plane. Right? Like a big sigh of relief. Yeah.

Lori (06:40.697)
definitely, yes, yes. Just thanking the heavens, yes.

Wendy (06:40.702)
I know.

Wendy (06:48.034)
Yeah. So then Heather jumps in and says, well, that's a magical sentence. Lisa, are you listening? And Mary's like, listening to, like, what are you saying? And Lisa said, I'm listening to what Mary's saying. Mary said, is this a fight? Like, she didn't even know what was going on, which I was funny. Heather said, well,

Kelli (07:05.536)
Yeah.

Lori (07:07.171)
Well really though, it was Mary's luncheon so Heather just needed to pipe down a little bit. Like, it's not your rodeo girlfriend. I know you think everything is like your rodeo, but the rope is not in your hand at the moment so just ease up girl.

Kelli (07:25.396)
Yeah, her too though. She needs a lot of moments.

Wendy (07:29.976)
think that I felt like Mary and Heather had had a conversation before the luncheon that this is what needed to get squashed. You know, that's what I think.

Kelli (07:36.064)
Probably. Because this was a segue into what they were really there for.

Lori (07:38.338)
Maybe.

Absolutely.

Wendy (07:42.016)
Right, right.

So Heather said, well, I talked to Lisa about it and there was no, I'm sorry. Now she's referring to herself at this point. And Mary said, well, what were you heard about? And she's like, well, I was heard about, you we just got off this really amazing trip and, we had a corral around Brittany because she was sobbing and sobbing so much. And Heather's like, you couldn't even stand next to her. Like, where were you when we were all waiting?

We were all waiting to go through customs. And she's like, well, I had my headphones on. I needed time by myself. And then she points to Brittany and Angie. She's like, they don't even like, don't even, Angie and Mary, Angie and Mary don't even like Brittany and they were there for her. You're supposed to be friends with her. Like remember when we started out this season and Brittany said her and Lisa were really close?

Kelli (08:39.965)
Yeah.

Wendy (08:41.43)
And you couldn't even be there for her when she's like sobbing uncontrollably.

Which I agree with her.

Kelli (08:48.724)
You're, yeah, but you're not gonna break the Lisa Meredith alliance. You're never gonna break it. You're not gonna break it. Lisa fucked up one time on that Hot Mic moment, and she's never gonna let it happen again. She's gonna have Meredith's back to the end.

Wendy (09:05.091)
Yeah.

Lori (09:06.157)
But my question is this, how come if this was the situation on the plane, they all heard it, whatever it supposedly was, nobody said, hey Brittany, why don't you switch seats with me? You could have ended it right there. You could have said, Angie, you could have said five rows up. Go sit in my seat. I'll hang out back here. So some of it's like not, the math is not necessarily math-ing.

Kelli (09:20.981)
Right.

Kelli (09:29.567)
Right.

Kelli (09:36.393)
Here's the other problem. We're watching an entire season based on something. We'll never know the truth. What happened? Production knows production was there and I'm sure there's footage. They're not going to show us. They're choosing not to show it to us. We're going to go a whole season not knowing what really happened. It's like a he said, she said. And I think it's kind of ridiculous that the whole season is based on this.

Lori (09:45.388)
Right.

Lori (10:06.529)
Absolutely.

Wendy (10:08.097)
No, I agree.

Kelli (10:08.146)
And like you said, if Whitney really thought Meredith's behavior was diabolical, as she said, why didn't she get up and say, shut the fuck up, Meredith, enough is enough. Leave her alone. The girl's crying. You're being an asshole. Stop. Nobody thought to do that.

Lori (10:23.149)
Right, right, right. Nobody, no, nobody did that. Like I said, no one said, switch seats. So.

Kelli (10:32.7)
Even the flight attendant went over to Brittany and said, Ms. Bateman, are you okay? The flight attendant was that worried about her, but nobody stopped what was going on. It is, like, I do think Meredith is capable of behaving that way, for sure. But like you said, the math is not math-ing. And the problem is that production knows what happened, and they're choosing not to show it to us.

Wendy (10:41.656)
Right.

Lori (10:57.049)
And it's very odd because doesn't it become like a liability issue? I mean, for Delta? For... Yeah, like the staff involved, mean, if they didn't file a report, there's like all kinds of stuff behind that that... I don't know. Who knows?

Kelli (11:03.232)
100%.

Yeah, it's like a harassment.

Kelli (11:19.422)
And Portia just got stopped coming off the plane from BravoCon, right? Because of something that transpired in the air when she was coming home. So what Meredith said, there is merit to it. If I were that bad, somebody would have been waiting for me when I got off that plane.

Lori (11:37.473)
Right. And I'm with you, Kelly. I think that she's definitely capable of behaving that way. And I think that she did behave that way. But I also think that Brittany is super, uber, uber, uber dramatic. Like super dramatic.

Kelli (11:53.695)
Yeah, for sure. But you have everybody else saying, I mean, listen, the fact that Mary is saying it does lead me to believe that it definitely happened. But the fact that production's not showing us and they can is very frustrating.

Lori (12:02.144)
Absolutely.

Right.

Wendy (12:12.598)
It is frustrating and Heather looks over to Lisa and says that Brittany holds you both equally accountable, meaning Meredith and Lisa. Well, mean, that's what Brittany feels. That's how Brittany feels. mean, it's not whether you agree with her or not. I mean, it's how she feels. You don't think she feels that way? Her feeling that way. Okay. Okay, yeah. Well.

Kelli (12:20.168)
I don't agree with that either. No.

Lori (12:21.985)
You don't? I do.

Kelli (12:32.121)
Right, I don't agree with her necessarily holding Lisa as accountable as Meredith. Yeah, yeah.

Lori (12:39.329)
Yeah, but this is the thing Meredith's supposed to be your friend. mean Lisa's supposed to be your friend. Right. Right. Right, but I'm saying there's Lisa and Meredith. Meredith is bullying her, but if Lisa's supposed to be your friend and she's doing nothing but egging her on, then yeah, if I was Brittany and that really happened, I think I would feel the same way. I'd be like, no.

Kelli (12:45.3)
They're all supposed to be your friend. Heather's the one who brought her on the show. Heather didn't get up and say, up, Meredith.

Lori (13:08.887)
Hey, listen, you know.

Wendy (13:09.71)
Yeah.

Kelli (13:12.681)
Yeah

Wendy (13:12.824)
I think she thinks because she was an active participant, even though she wasn't saying the same things because she wasn't doing anything. But Meredith then jumps in and says, well, like no one even talked to me about it. And she said, I was reacting to very malicious actions. And the reaction was not the right time and not the right place. I'm like, are you out of your damn mind? I have never seen.

Kelli (13:19.807)
Right.

Lori (13:38.615)
Yes, she is.

Wendy (13:41.802)
somebody take less accountability. Is there somebody? There's gotta be another housewife that's Lisa. yeah. No, it's one in New Jersey.

Lori (13:47.277)
Lisa.

Kelli (13:47.422)
Are we really gonna go there?

Of course it's one in New Jersey for crying out loud. zero accountability.

Lori (13:56.973)
Hmm.

Wendy (14:01.846)
And Heather says, it was much more than the wrong time, the wrong place. Meredith said, well, I was upset and venting.

Kelli (14:01.962)
But Meredith is a very close second.

Kelli (14:11.476)
I mean, Mary like tries, yeah, and Mary like trying to say to Meredith like, I don't think you're remembering it correctly and that worries me. And I believe Mary, I really do. I think Heather would exaggerate it. Whitney would definitely exaggerate it. But I just feel like when Mary says it, yes, yes.

Wendy (14:21.654)
Yes.

Yes.

Lori (14:32.385)
It should give you applause.

Wendy (14:38.562)
Whitney in her confessional said that Meredith has ranges of emotions from disgusting to vile, and we were in the disgusting to vile range for at least two hours. That's a long time. I mean, I know it was at least a 12-hour flight, but still, two hours is a long time.

Lori (14:52.163)
That's a long time.

Kelli (14:56.874)
Yeah, it is, it is.

Wendy (15:01.996)
And then Lisa in her confessional says, the fact that these girls have exacerbated this into something that it wasn't is kind of bullshit. It was something for Britney. Just, I mean, it's not bullshit.

Kelli (15:13.312)
Yeah.

And the fact that Meredith's like, well, I'm sorry she heard me. like, like that's her response. Like I was just venting to a friend. I'm sorry she heard me. Obviously you were talking loud enough so she would hear you, Meredith. She was sitting right in front of you for crying out.

Lori (15:19.179)
It's insane. It's insane.

Wendy (15:20.972)
Right, right.

Lori (15:29.921)
Right, and you meant for her to hear you.

Kelli (15:32.179)
Absolutely.

Wendy (15:32.3)
Yes. Yeah. And Meredith also said, well, it was only 30 minutes. was no more than 30 minutes. It was definitely more than 30 minutes, right?

Lori (15:38.529)
I don't believe that either. Yeah. I don't believe that. Yeah.

Kelli (15:40.061)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (15:43.084)
And then Whitney says, Britney's hair was wet. Like we had to take care of her. Well, her hair was wet because supposedly something was thrown, right?

Kelli (15:51.659)
she said that Meredith threw wine on her hair. But Lisa was like, no, it spilled, it was all over me.

Wendy (16:00.438)
It- Right.

Wendy (16:06.094)
And then I love when Mary

Lori (16:06.105)
Okay, so we have that you're talking shit about her loudly and you're flinging wine all over. It's not a good look, no matter what. So it's not a far reach for people to think that it went beyond those two little things that you're admitting to. You know what mean?

Kelli (16:18.526)
Right, something-

Kelli (16:27.454)
Right, the fact that she's admitting to anything is definitely leads you to believe that it was more, because she will typically not admit to anything.

Wendy (16:38.028)
Right. Well, she said, I slept and I watched two movies. So it wasn't five hours. Try again. And Heather said, well, what movies did you watch? I was like, well, that's a weird question. And then she's like, Crazy Rich Asians. And I don't know what the other movie was. Do you recall? She's asking Lisa. And she's like, no. And then there, well, what happened at the end of Crazy Rich Asians? I was like,

Lori (16:47.704)
day.

Kelli (16:58.068)
Well, Lisa had to save Crazy Rich Asians. She wasn't gonna come up with either,

Wendy (17:01.678)
crazy rich Asians.

Yeah. And then they're asking her what happened at the end of it. And Lisa's like, really, are we doing this? And Meredith's like, I don't remember. You think I remember? And then Whitney said, were you sleep talking? And Meredith said, no, Whitney, I was awake the entire flight.

Kelli (17:23.52)
You know, I was thinking about this watching this show though. This is the only franchise, this is the, what season? Season six we're in? Other than Jen Shaw, this is the original cast that they started with in season six. You can't say that about any other franchise. It is pretty impressive. However, Meredith has never shown us anything about her real life. Nothing.

Wendy (17:33.741)
Yes.

Wendy (17:49.652)
No, I mean they added Angie K. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (17:52.937)
Yeah, no, that's what I mean. Like, yes, they've added people, but nobody's left other than Jen Shah, who had to go to jail.

Wendy (17:59.574)
Right, right.

Kelli (18:01.738)
Pretty impressive, but she hasn't shown us anything of her real life in six seasons and she's still there. Drives me crazy.

Wendy (18:06.99)
No, she hasn't. Angie said, well, I was five rows in front of you and I heard you yelling.

And then Lisa said, think Meredith has the right to lose her shit sometimes.

Heather said, no, not on a plane.

Lori (18:24.525)
Well, I think it's the duration of the time and the level of losing it that she took it to. There's one thing if you get, you you're pissed at somebody, you get on the plane, you have a couple drinks and you're like, that fucking bitch, blah, blah, blah, Maybe it lasts 20 minutes.

Wendy (18:27.575)
Right.

Lori (18:48.323)
But I think to, but we've seen her just really, really, really lose her shit. So I think when you do that and it lasts for a long time, that's when people, and I think that's what kind of like Heather meant when she said about the scale being tipped and, you know, Meredith kind of losing her say in the whole situation a little bit is because.

Wendy (19:10.594)
Yeah.

Lori (19:17.387)
In some, you know, in a way Heather's kind of right, like you lost the whole victim card because you took it way too far. went on way too long. It was way too loud. It was way over the top.

Wendy (19:31.99)
Right. that's what

Kelli (19:32.33)
Yeah, like we all felt bad that Brittany brought up, you know, the TikTok with Seth and a mistress, you know, meaning they all felt bad. But, you know, then you act like that and it's like, we can't support you anymore.

Wendy (19:46.082)
Right. And that's when Meredith really lost it. When Heather said that to her, you lost that right. So she's like, so my feelings don't matter. And they're like, well, do you feel sorry? And she's like, well, I feel sorry that what I said hurt her feelings, not I feel sorry about what I said.

Lori (20:05.369)
She said, I'm sorry that she heard me venting and that it hurt her. Totally different than she was sorry if she hurt her feelings. She was sorry she got caught.

Kelli (20:20.885)
Yes.

Wendy (20:23.522)
Right, right. And Meredith said, well, she doesn't like me I don't like her, so we don't have to be friends. So at the end of the day, we can just move on. I'm like, no, it doesn't work that way. Yeah.

Lori (20:23.65)
And that was it.

Kelli (20:33.064)
And Lisa's like, yeah, right, right. And then Mary's like, well, Lisa, if I treated you like that on the plane, would you be okay with it? It's a very clear question.

Wendy (20:46.614)
And Bronwyn said, feeling badly and being sorry are two different things. And she's right.

Lori (20:52.281)
Yes. Yeah. Feeling badly is different than sorry. Since she's right. Totally different. And I don't even think she feels badly. I don't even think she feels badly at all. No. And how about Meredith in her confessional calling Heather a judgmental bitch? I was thinking, oh, that's going to come back in the reunion. No, won't it? No, won't it? No.

Wendy (20:56.823)
Right.

Kelli (21:02.078)
No, she doesn't feel badly. She doesn't give a shit. No.

Wendy (21:12.57)
yeah.

Kelli (21:14.72)
For sure, for sure. This Lisa going through customs thing, I was, cause I don't fly. So you could tell me global entries, anything and I'll believe you. But when she said she has it and she didn't realize and she should have used it.

Wendy (21:22.872)
The global entry? Right.

Kelli (21:37.608)
And Whitney's like, I love that this is a lie because it's so obviously a lie. It's not something you don't forget. It's just something that you don't have.

Lori (21:45.622)
Listen, if Whitney could call her out on it and explain it, you know what I mean? I love her, but she's not necessarily the brightest bulb. So if Whitney could call you on it, I was like,

Wendy (21:45.868)
Yes.

Kelli (21:57.427)
Now.

Right. Yeah. For sure.

Wendy (22:03.982)
And Lisa's like, well, I was listening to my AirPods. I was listening to Kendrick Lamar. And Mary's like, Kendrick Lamar? I was like, that's what we're stopping on.

Kelli (22:12.576)
I'm a Kendrick girl

Wendy (22:14.914)
Ha ha ha ha ha.

Lori (22:18.072)
Somewhere out there Kendrick Lamar is like, why me? Why? No, good.

Kelli (22:21.118)
Who the fuck is Lisa Barlow?

Wendy (22:26.542)
actually shocked that they were standing in customs for five hours. That is a long time. That's a long time.

Kelli (22:31.432)
Yeah, I know. I know, you would think that they would have a little bit more clout than that, right? Yeah. And nobody would choose to do that if they didn't have to, come on.

Lori (22:37.283)
Guess not.

Wendy (22:37.485)
Yeah.

Lori (22:43.885)
Yeah, no, especially not her. She won't even sit in regular seat. Come on.

Kelli (22:47.52)
Exactly. And if someone scans, it's all scanned, know, if somebody scans you and you have that, they're going to tell you to go, go where you're supposed to go, not go stand in line for five hours when you don't have to. That was an obvious lie.

Lori (22:56.035)
to

Lori (23:00.151)
Yeah, come on.

Wendy (23:04.245)
And then Lisa says, like, why don't we just stop playing the game of Clue and just tell her you didn't like her behavior and you weren't happy with it? I was like, finally. Like, finally. So, you know.

Kelli (23:12.04)
Right.

Yeah.

Wendy (23:16.174)
And then that's when Mary said, the fact that you don't remember it, like it concerns me. She said, well, I do remember I got on the plane and I vented to Lisa and I fell asleep and I woke up and I watched a movie. And then that's when Whitney jumped in and said, well, I think it's one of three things. Either you have hatred in your heart, you have an anger problem. I don't have an anger problem, she said, or you have a problem mixing substances.

Lori (23:43.277)
I think it's one, two, and three.

Kelli (23:45.728)
I think it is too.

mean, she had a blackout. She had a blackout. She had two hours of a blackout. yeah. I mean, listen, I've gotten myself to the point where I see, I'm just yelling and I've gotten there, trust me. Not for two hours straight, but if you're on substances, it could, and you're on a plane and there's nowhere to go.

Wendy (23:53.357)
Yes.

Lori (23:56.565)
I'm thinking, that's what I'm thinking.

Wendy (23:58.54)
Yes.

Wendy (24:15.256)
Yeah.

Right, right. And still Meredith doesn't own it. said, well, because Whitney said, do you think it's fair based on what we witnessed that I assume is one of those three things? And she's like, well, I don't believe you witnessed and you're a known liar. I was like, OK. Everyone at the table then, because everyone else is saying it. It's not just Whitney. They're all liars.

Lori (24:39.673)
Right, so everybody's a liar.

Wendy (24:45.12)
And I did like that Bron brought up that I've now damaged my relationship with Whitney trying to help you. Because Bron went and Whitney met and Whitney shared with her what had happened on the plane and that she had thought that, you know, it may have been substances based on what she knows from growing up with someone who was a substance abuse abuser, right? So she has firsthand knowledge of this.

Kelli (25:09.236)
Why would Bronwyn tell Meredith that Whitney said that? Like, you're just causing problems.

Wendy (25:13.586)
This is what I think about. I don't think she was doing it to cause problems. I do think that she was trying to help Meredith. I do, because I think that she's, even when she gets called out on it, she owns it. She says, it was me. She owns her stuff. I don't think she really, yes, yes. But that's what I'm saying. I don't think when Bronwyn shared it with Meredith, she expected Meredith to weaponize it the way that she did. She did it, I thought.

Lori (25:26.391)
She always does ownership. She always does ownership. Yeah.

Kelli (25:29.428)
Bronwyn does yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah,

Kelli (25:41.392)
She does not know Meredith very well then.

Wendy (25:43.394)
Well, that's the thing is she doesn't really know Meredith. And it is unfortunate because I did like their friendship. I liked that they were bonding a bit, Bronwyn and Whitney, because they do have a lot in common. You know, they do.

Lori (25:43.661)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (25:51.774)
Yeah. Yeah.

I mean at least Brahman said to Meredith it sounds like you were wrong on the plane like I've tried to back you up, but

Lori (26:03.479)
Right. But you know, Bronwyn didn't, she didn't need to out herself either. She got, you know, like I saw it on an interview and she said, Todd's always telling me just like, take a bite of food and chew it and think before you talk. And I think that's her thing. She just, sometimes she just talks too soon. Like you got to read it a little bit more.

Wendy (26:05.304)
Right.

Kelli (26:09.311)
Right.

Kelli (26:24.532)
Yeah.

Wendy (26:25.186)
I think she just, yeah. Listen, I think she likes to be honest.

Kelli (26:27.754)
I think Whitney figured it out. Yes, I think she likes to be honest and I think Whitney figured it out because when Meredith said it got back to me that Whitney was like, well, the only person I said that to was Bromwich. But I don't believe that either. I'm sure she and Heather had a in-depth conversation about this. But once Whitney was hip to it and Brom and saw that she was like, it was me. Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (26:43.38)
yes, yes, yes, yes.

Wendy (26:43.863)
yeah, definitely, definitely, definitely.

Lori (26:50.521)
She was like, well, gotta, right, I gotta throw it out there.

Wendy (26:57.464)
So basically we end the lunch with zero, yeah, with zero. Net zero, yeah.

Kelli (27:00.798)
with no progress at all.

Lori (27:04.983)
with a sloshing fish.

Kelli (27:08.254)
And now everybody has to drive home holding a fishbowl.

Lori (27:11.681)
Yes.

Wendy (27:12.94)
Yeah, craziness. So then the next thing we see is Angie and Mary are doing fitness training at the gym. That was quite interesting.

Kelli (27:21.344)
So funny.

Kelli (27:25.418)
I like when Andy was like trying to like motivate her and marry Shuster.

Wendy (27:29.654)
Mm-hmm. She was concentrating. Then we see Braunwyn's talking to her mom, Muzzy, and she's telling her that she was emailing the attorney this morning about her citizenship. And then we find out she's not actually an American citizen. Had no idea that she was born in Brazil.

Kelli (27:49.034)
Maybe.

and has dual citizenship with Brazil, Brazil and the UK.

Wendy (27:52.311)
Her parents are from...

Wendy (27:56.322)
Yeah, because her parents are from the UK. That actually explains a lot to me, to be quite honest with you, that her parents are from the UK, more so than that they're Mormon.

Kelli (28:05.116)
No, for sure. that, like, given her mother's personality and her behavior, yes. Yes.

Wendy (28:09.26)
Yes, not that there's anything wrong with the people from the UK. We love you guys too. But I'm just saying it just explains. Yeah, it explains it a little bit better to me anyway. And also that both of her sisters are US citizens and she's not. Like that's, yeah.

Kelli (28:13.16)
No, it just, no, of course, it just puts things in perspective.

Kelli (28:25.95)
Well, because her mother said they had an oops. She really is the gift that keeps on giving muzzy, isn't she?

Wendy (28:30.486)
Yeah, again, I know.

Lori (28:33.9)
yes she is, yes she is. My god.

Wendy (28:37.443)
Yeah.

Kelli (28:40.586)
But the fact that Brahman wants to be a citizen so she can go to jury duty when the rest of us are trying to get out of it. Hysterical.

Wendy (28:41.144)
And she's a

Lori (28:46.039)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (28:46.103)
Yes.

And she already has her outfit picked out. Can you imagine?

Kelli (28:50.72)
Of course. It's probably one of those big inflatables. No. She'd be kicked right the F out of there. It sure is. Yeah.

Lori (29:00.281)
It's a good way to get out of it.

Wendy (29:03.182)
Then we see Heather's at her house and her girls come in and they see her brand new office, which looks amazing and was the biggest Wayfair ad I've ever seen.

Lori (29:14.615)
The biggest way for your ad ever. Ever. And you know when you

Kelli (29:17.28)
I was listening to another podcast and they said the same thing. husbands watching as wives. They said the same thing They also said I'm sorry. Go ahead

Lori (29:22.935)
Yeah. And when you watch it, when you watch it on Peacock, you know, she's sitting, she's sitting up there, you know, in between doing her own little ad too for, for Wayfair. Heather is, yeah, yeah. It's all Wayfared up. And I believe, I believe I saw a social media post from BravoCon where Melissa was doing a whole Wayfair thing in their kitchen too.

Wendy (29:23.063)
Yeah.

Wendy (29:29.518)
QR code.

Kelli (29:38.228)
Really?

Kelli (29:49.941)
Well, I was just gonna say the husband's watching How's Wife said BravoCon was, everywhere you looked was wayfair. Everywhere you looked was wayfair. Yep. Hysterical. Her house is beautiful though.

Lori (29:56.409)
was wayfair. They must be a big sponsor.

Wendy (30:06.378)
It is. And she said, I hardly recognize my life. I've lived in a small house for 20 years and I raised my kids there. She's like, now I live in this huge home with my own office, a pool, and my three daughters are going to college. But she's totally like, she finds it rewarding and fulfilling. Like she never thought that she would be in this place. And I'm actually happy for her for this, you know? She worked for it. It wasn't handed to her.

Kelli (30:28.202)
Yeah, me too.

Bye. Bye.

Lori (30:31.286)
No.

And it's amazing the difference between how she views that situation and further along in the episode we see the way Bronwyn is viewing her situation with her daughter. So it's just an interesting juxtaposition those two.

Kelli (30:48.948)
Well, yeah, and earlier in the season, remember that on the RV, they were having that conversation, how they were in different, they had different feelings towards where they are in life. And Brahmin felt a little, or no, Heather felt a little judged, I guess, by Brahmin. She was like, I'm not judging you, I'm just saying, I don't have those feelings, I feel the opposite. I would be like Brahmin, I wouldn't want anybody to go anywhere. I don't like change, though, I'm not good with change.

Wendy (30:53.367)
Yes.

Wendy (31:07.725)
Yes.

Wendy (31:11.947)
Right.

Wendy (31:22.126)
Then we see Lisa meets up with Heather or Meredith at the nail salon. Weird.

Lori (31:27.371)
Okay, so look, I just gotta say this. I love two things. I love that production zoomed in on the bottom of merit of this worn shoe, which I have to say this, I work for an orthopedic surgeon. You should never, ever, ever wear an orthopedic surgical shoe with a heel.

Meredith's gonna have such a broken back by the time she's done. It's so, such a bad thing to do. And the second thing I love from production is they zeroed in on Lisa's ankles. It was the best. It was the best. They did. It was great. It was great. And so I guess Meredith is sitting there getting a pedic, a manicure in the...

Kelli (31:58.204)
yeah, cause you're lopsided.

Wendy (32:00.493)
Yep.

Kelli (32:08.16)
They really did.

Yeah.

Wendy (32:19.489)
No, a manicure.

Lori (32:20.915)
manicure in the pedicure because Lisa's getting a pedicure and she wanted to sit next door. So I was like, are we doing here?

Kelli (32:25.076)
pedicure yeah

Kelli (32:29.065)
Yeah.

Wendy (32:35.894)
And basically what came from that is...

Meredith is mad at Heather and she's mad at Whitney. Basically.

Kelli (32:49.022)
And she says Whitney is spreading false rumors about her. I'm sorry, Meredith, but anyone who watches the show sees you slurring your words. So like the idea of you mixing substances has been out there since season one. I'm just saying, she's been slurring her words for years. Maybe it's just the way she talks, but that is how she talks. It sounds like she's slurring her words.

Wendy (33:00.909)
Yeah.

Lori (33:06.2)
Right.

Lori (33:18.529)
And the whole zero to a hundred thing is, you know, there's other indications just besides Whitney Rose saying one time that no, it's not, not just that.

Kelli (33:22.238)
Absolutely.

Kelli (33:30.91)
Yes. But this is deflection. Instead of taking accountability, she's going to point, you know, say, it's this one's fault, it's that one's fault, because it can't be my fault, because I don't do anything wrong. So it's got to be this one's fault and that one's fault.

Wendy (33:48.982)
loved when Lisa said, well, I had a conversation with Brittany. I met up with her and the look on Meredith's face was like, well, how did that go? And then you see two days earlier, she sat down with Brittany and Brittany said, I've been hearing that you really don't feel like you contributed to what happened on the plane. And Lisa says, yeah, I don't. Brittany said, well, I feel like you're absolutely complicit as a person who, cussed at me.

Kelli (33:56.384)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (33:56.454)
huh.

Wendy (34:18.619)
And Lisa said, well, think your recollection of the fight is inaccurate.

Really? Like another one, you can't just say I'm sorry. Can't just say I'm sorry.

Kelli (34:30.464)
Nope. I mean, she does finally apologize, but yeah, she wasn't. That's why I mean, she.

Lori (34:31.66)
It's, it's the-

Lori (34:36.035)
But she apologized like Meredith apologized. I'm sorry that you felt that way. Not that she did anything wrong. It's that whole lawyer thing. Deny, deny, deny, deny, deny, deny. If somebody doesn't have proof, just deny, deny, deny, deny. It's annoying.

Wendy (34:40.258)
that you felt that way.

Kelli (34:41.792)
Yeah, right.

Anything wrong? Yeah, no, you're right.

Wendy (34:46.006)
Not I'm sorry. Not I'm s- Right.

Kelli (34:51.508)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (34:57.28)
I mean, the fact that she said she felt like she was supporting Brittany, I mean, that's wild. That was wild. Right.

Lori (35:01.721)
Stop it. Stop it.

Wendy (35:02.892)
Right, whether you believe it or not. I felt like I was supporting you, whether you believe it or not. What I found so shocking was Brittany said, it was literally the six worst thing that ever happened in my entire life. I want to know what are the other five things? Like what could they possibly be? That's what I want to know.

Lori (35:18.691)
Well, Andy needs to this question at the reunion. Andy needs to ask the question.

Wendy (35:22.519)
Right?

Kelli (35:22.752)
Please, Andy, because we need, in chronological order, the worst things that have ever happened to Brittany. Yeah, like, right, the fact that she just threw that number out there.

Lori (35:27.603)
Yes. The five element six.

Wendy (35:28.258)
the five other ones, because this is the sixth.

Lori (35:33.241)
This sterile.

Wendy (35:34.816)
I need to know what the other five things are. And I really do.

Lori (35:36.791)
Yes, we all need to know. It's very important information.

Kelli (35:41.94)
Meredith saying she's sorry for Brittany as a human being.

Wendy (35:42.242)
Britney said.

Lori (35:46.148)
She was nasty, I'm sorry. I'm not a big Britney fan. I think she can be like an idiot, but I certainly have compassion for her. I mean, there's a reason a lot of times why people are the way that they are. And, you know, to say that she's a sad specimen and to just, I was just like, ew, all right, bitch.

Kelli (35:49.749)
Right.

Kelli (35:58.005)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (36:05.706)
So here's the thing, because this is what's going on on Potomac too. Like I said to Wendy the other night, the way Gisele and Ashley are treating Stacey, it's making you like Stacey more and them less. So here we go again. The way Meredith is treating Brittany, I've never been a Brittany fan. I think she's dying for the attention, but I'm starting to like her more and I'm just not a Meredith fan, but.

Lori (36:15.938)
Right.

Kelli (36:33.17)
I'm starting to like Brittany more because of the way Meredith is treating her. So what they're trying to do, actually, the opposite's happening.

Lori (36:36.436)
huh.

Wendy (36:38.349)
Yeah.

Lori (36:46.263)
I mean, because somebody who wants attention like that so desperately for a reason, you know, well adjusted, happy people don't have that.

Wendy (36:46.327)
And Meredith says,

Kelli (36:51.913)
of course.

Kelli (36:59.754)
Right. Right.

Wendy (37:03.694)
Meredith says, well, I'm just going to be the bigger person and move on. Has she been horrible to me? Yes. Do I feel sorry for Brittany that she can't hold a relationship? Yes. She struggles professionally, 100%. I'm like, OK, this is you being a bigger person?

Kelli (37:19.988)
And here's the thing, you're not doing anything by, you're not being the bigger person to move on. You wanna move on because you want them to stop talking about your behavior. That's why you wanna just move on.

Lori (37:30.438)
Mm-hmm. Exactly. Yeah.

Wendy (37:38.538)
So then the next thing we see is Whitney is driving the U-Haul on her way to Heather's house. Okay, this is another thing.

Lori (37:44.941)
Very confused, very confused.

Kelli (37:45.001)
I really, I really feel like Heather and Whitney want to be like Laverne and Shirley. You know what I mean? By doing this quirky stuff. Like Heather, nobody needed to see you move your dirty stained mattress out of your house.

Lori (37:50.712)
Yes.

Wendy (37:50.818)
Yeah.

Wendy (38:03.565)
No.

Lori (38:03.865)
And, and, it is 2025. You order a new mattress, they come and take the old one for free. What are you doing renting a truck, the two of you hauling it out, taking it to the, what are you doing? Like, what are you, and, and why did production think this was a good idea? Why did they think anybody wanted to see this? It was just stupid.

Kelli (38:13.876)
Right.

Kelli (38:22.41)
Right.

Kelli (38:31.444)
Well, it gave them another opportunity to film in a vehicle and talk about Meredith and the plane ride. It's like, my God, let's get the fuck over it already. Either show us what happened or just stop talking about it.

Wendy (38:38.958)
you

Lori (38:39.383)
Okay. Okay.

Lori (38:46.905)
or just stop talking about it. And does no one use a mattress cover? Okay, I get it. Listen, sometimes when your kids are little, they pee in the bed. You have a mattress cover. I don't understand, like the whole thing. was like, what the fuck?

Kelli (39:04.8)
Now, those things are upsetting to see.

Lori (39:08.921)
And why, in a million years, would you let someone film that?

Kelli (39:14.676)
Right. Well, she, do you heard her say, like, no turn it this way so the camera doesn't get the stains.

Wendy (39:20.504)
Too late.

Lori (39:21.977)
And when she says, God does not like waste. was a good Mormon. was like, no, no, no, no.

Kelli (39:24.82)
Way too late.

Kelli (39:32.416)
Gross.

Wendy (39:33.678)
But your book is bad Mormon. Just saying.

Kelli (39:35.753)
Right.

Lori (39:38.521)
I don't even wanna know what that means. God does not look waste. I was a good moron. I like, don't even wanna know what that means.

Kelli (39:39.182)
That was such a weird scene.

Kelli (39:51.783)
No, nobody does.

Wendy (39:54.2)
She also said, I just want a bed to sleep on that's not stained with 20 years of broken dreams. What? I think it's just her, again, it's the writer in her. Put that in your book. Just put that in your book. Seriously. Don't say it out loud.

Kelli (40:00.555)
Yeah, like what?

Kelli (40:05.262)
absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. No. No.

Lori (40:07.703)
Yes, yeah.

Wendy (40:17.454)
So on the way to the mattress dump, Whitney does tell Heather that she's upset with Braun when that she ran back and told Meredith. Which I do really think is going to, I think it's ruined their relationship. I don't know if they're gonna come back from that this season.

Lori (40:37.655)
Well, they're making out, so... That's the point, they must've gotten over it!

Kelli (40:40.201)
yeah, at some point they do make out.

Wendy (40:40.706)
yeah, that's right. do see that. yeah. Okay, good point. Good point.

Kelli (40:44.33)
Did you see the smirk on Whitney's face though when she, cause she called Brahman a venomous snake. And did you see the look on her face? And then Heather like looked at her. Like it was very, rehearsed, I thought.

Wendy (41:00.671)
Well, the whole thing was rehearsed with the bed and the- you all.

Lori (41:00.985)
Well, isn't it all? Isn't it all?

Kelli (41:05.16)
Yeah, well yeah, that's true. And here, speaking of rehearsed, now we have Brittany talking to her daughter, Olivia.

Lori (41:12.569)
I knew I have it in my notes. Kelly is going to scream fake. And I kind of have to agree because I know I certainly, even if this was like, I had already done my therapy and I was just doing this for the show and it was just this scene, I would not have been able to sit through something like that and do like a pretty cry. I'd have been full on sobbing.

Wendy (41:13.303)
Yes.

Kelli (41:18.302)
Yeah.

Lori (41:42.643)
I just.

Kelli (41:45.121)
I don't want to see reality personalities go to therapy on TV. I don't want to see your therapy session. Because if you truly want help, you're not going to do this on TV. You're not going to go to therapy on TV if you truly want help moving forward in your life with your daughter, by yourself. You're not going to do this on TV. You're not. This is performative. This is for TV. This is why you're doing it.

I don't want to see it. I don't want to see anybody go to therapy on TV anymore, Bravo.

Wendy (42:20.056)
There was one time you said it was okay. Who was that that you said was okay?

that we saw going to therapy.

Kelli (42:27.22)
Gertie and Russell. Because I truly felt like they were there obviously for the right reasons and they were both incredibly honest during that.

Wendy (42:29.6)
yes, Gertie. Yes, yes, yes.

Wendy (42:37.943)
Yes.

Wendy (42:42.412)
And that got Gertie to go to therapy on her own as well. Okay, so we have to put that caveat in there. Brava, we only want to see therapy if it's Gertie and Russell, and that's it.

Kelli (42:48.853)
Yeah.

Kelli (42:52.626)
Right. Those are the only allowances, Gertie and Russell.

Lori (42:57.13)
I think that Kelly's problem is the authenticity.

Kelli (43:01.044)
That's it. If I see you, I'll even go one step further and this will blow your mind. When Joe and Teresa went before that RV trip to California and remember they were telling the guy they're going to share an RV and he said, don't do it. Don't, I'm telling you right now, don't do it. That I thought, not that it got anywhere, but I thought that therapy session, like that guy was giving them good advice. They were really there to,

Wendy (43:01.422)
No, I know. No, no, I absolutely know. Yeah.

Kelli (43:30.868)
They didn't listen to them, but they, I thought that was an authentic scene with a therapist. Anything other than that though, it's just not, I mean, nothing but Britney's authentic actually, but.

Wendy (43:45.068)
Listen, I thought the fact that Olivia went there with her mother and that she really was honest and brutal with her mother, I applaud her for that. I do. Because it wasn't easy for Britney to hear it, whether it was performative or not. I don't think. I mean, I don't think it's easy to hear your daughter say to you that you neglected her for seven years. she was seven years. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (44:08.261)
was incredibly uncomfortable to watch. Incredibly uncomfortable to watch.

Lori (44:12.979)
Basically, she told her you gave me abandonment issues. Did I still carry to this day?

Kelli (44:15.955)
Right.

Wendy (44:16.491)
Yeah, absolutely. Right.

I did also like when the therapist said, you she said, you're describing trauma. But when the therapist asked Brittany, like, what did she expect to get from this? And Brittany's like, well, I just want to have a relationship with Olivia. Like, I don't need to get anything. And the therapist is like, well, you're deserving to get something of this too. That's how it works. I did like that also for people to see that, because I do think that that may resonate with somebody, you know?

A lot of people don't feel like they are deserving. And I don't know if she does or she doesn't, but I like that the therapist at least put it out there. She asked the question. I thought when Brittany answered it that she didn't feel like she was deserving. And I thought she was being honest at that point. I really did.

Lori (44:49.794)
Right.

Kelli (45:11.338)
think that people don't go to therapy because they think they're going to be judged. But the whole point of going to therapy is to accomplish something. So yeah, the therapist saying that to her, it's like, well, what do want to accomplish?

Wendy (45:19.083)
Right.

Wendy (45:23.19)
Right. But she wanted to.

Lori (45:24.953)
Right, and basically, their relationship can't change unless Brittany evolves. And you're not gonna, you know what I mean? Then you're missing the whole point of going to therapy.

Kelli (45:33.011)
Right.

Wendy (45:41.09)
But Olivia also, cause she also asked Olivia, like what, how do you feel with hearing your mom say that? And she said, actually, weirdly it's reassuring. Like at least now I know she knows what she did wrong. And she said to hear your mom take accountability makes her feel better. So, I mean, if it is performative, then shame on them. But I do think if they do get something out of this and Britney does own it.

Kelli (46:03.733)
Sure.

Wendy (46:06.302)
and Olivia Caesar owning it, I think that that will help her move forward with her mother, I would hope. I don't know though, who knows, right?

Kelli (46:16.02)
was nine.

Lori (46:16.045)
Well, like you said, Wendy, I think the positive to take away from it is that whether they're being performative or not, seeing somebody in therapy and hearing what a therapist has to say is good for everybody. Because that's not something that you see often at all. No one knows what, you know, no one knows what going to therapy is like. So to have a glimpse of that.

Wendy (46:33.004)
Yes, that's it. That's it.

Lori (46:44.793)
even if that helps maybe one person out there be like, oh, okay, so maybe that's the deal. Like maybe it's not what I thought it was. Maybe it's something I could do.

Wendy (46:51.16)
Right.

Wendy (46:55.982)
The next thing we see is this trio of Bronwyn, Muzzy and Gwen go to Banzai by me. I've never heard of that. Have you guys ever heard of that? Okay. They each pick out their own little Banzai tree and they're gonna bring it over to the table and they're gonna rearrange it or whatever so they can get some zen in their lives.

Kelli (47:10.601)
No.

Lori (47:10.605)
No.

Wendy (47:25.046)
And Gwen starts talking about her chameleon and that she's thinking about posting somewhere looking for female chameleons to get a date for her. I'm like, did she watch Adriana on Miami trying to get, I'm like, what is with these people? Yes, and she wants to get her chameleon lady. Like, what is wrong with these people?

Kelli (47:41.032)
Right. Get her dog laid.

Kelli (47:48.072)
I'm weird, man.

It's very weird.

Lori (47:52.889)
Ugh.

Wendy (47:56.064)
I mean, this is something I've never heard of before. I'll be quite honest with you. I've never heard of this.

Kelli (47:58.139)
No. No.

Wendy (48:03.394)
She also talks about how she wants to go to Portland and she wants to find her own way.

Lori (48:08.365)
Listen, nobody should go to Portland, ever.

Wendy (48:11.526)
no, no, we have we have listeners in Portland. Portland's not a bad place. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (48:14.878)
Yeah, I think there's I think there's good and bad sections of everywhere you go Yeah

Lori (48:19.831)
This is true. is true. But just what I've seen of Portland recently is not good.

Kelli (48:25.266)
Yeah, I think there's areas, certain areas you probably don't want to, but there's certain areas of Jersey you don't want to either.

Wendy (48:25.709)
Yeah.

Lori (48:30.923)
Absolutely, this is true. This is true. Everybody thinks our state's a dumpster fire anyways.

Wendy (48:32.822)
Yeah. And Gwent.

Kelli (48:35.815)
Exactly.

Lori (48:37.817)
Who am I? Who am I to judge?

Kelli (48:39.091)
you

Wendy (48:41.378)
Well, she wants to find her own way. She doesn't wanna be under her mom's thumb so much, right? She wants to find her own way. And then Bronwyn says to Muzzy, now you have to stay with me forever. And she said, well, actually I'm not ready to go just yet, but I'm gonna need my own space shortly too. And Bronwyn was kind of like, no. She's like, is it because of Todd? Cause I can get rid of Todd. And Muzzy said, no, think it's more like Todd's gonna get rid of you. And Bronwyn said,

Well, don't tap me with a good time. I was like, wait, what?

Kelli (49:11.349)
Yeah.

Lori (49:13.113)
Well, like Kelly said, she's like the gift that keeps on giving. I'm not a fan and I'm happy for Brahman if they do have whatever relationship they have, but I'm just not a fan.

Kelli (49:17.204)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (49:27.882)
Well, she doesn't seem like she was very easy to grow up with as a mom, that's for sure. I mean, she's called you an oops. Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (49:28.109)
Yeah.

Wendy (49:33.62)
No. Emotionally, she's closed. She's very closed off emotionally. That's really what it comes down to. And Bronwyn says, I think I'm gonna have to Tanya Hardy you and break both of your legs and then you're gonna need to take care of you. You're gonna need me. I'm like, no. I'm like, no. Meanwhile, Gwen does no idea what she's talking about. Her daughter has no idea who Tanya Hardy is.

Kelli (49:47.69)
That was self-money.

That was really funny. No.

Lori (49:54.745)
No,

Kelli (49:59.393)
But I get it, she said that she feels like she and Muzzy are in a good place and she feels like if Muzzy leaves they're gonna slip back to the old way they were. So that's, you know, that's a genuine concern.

Wendy (50:12.334)
And what do you think about Muzzy saying, or Gwen saying that Muzzy wants to bring her boyfriend over? I was like, wait, what?

Lori (50:19.553)
Yes, yeah, I was like, what?

Kelli (50:21.908)
I think it was a joke, and Muzzy put the kibosh on it right away. I'm married, I don't have a boyfriend.

Wendy (50:26.346)
Well, yeah.

Wendy (50:31.924)
But Broman said if it was that easy, she'd let her bring a man into the house. She went in for her. Might as well, right?

Kelli (50:34.976)
Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah. Right.

Lori (50:37.923)
Right. She's got everybody else there. She might as well.

Wendy (50:44.098)
Then after that, this is where we see Meredith and Brittany finally meet up to talk. This again.

Lori (50:49.049)
And Meredith does not have on the surgical shoe. No, not in that scene. Nope.

Kelli (50:53.055)
She does it?

Wendy (50:54.41)
No, no, no.

Kelli (50:55.974)
I did not even realize.

Interesting.

Wendy (51:02.008)
Yeah. Meredith starts with, I wanted to come here so I could talk to you face to face. I want to tell you that I'm sorry that you heard me talking to Lisa on the plane. And it was the wrong place and the wrong time. What?

Lori (51:11.628)
No.

Lori (51:16.577)
lord.

Wendy (51:18.688)
I just can't.

Lori (51:19.725)
This is too much.

Kelli (51:20.64)
Next time, put the volume louder on your headphones, okay?

Lori (51:25.537)
Okay, so here's the question. Do we think this half-ass non-apology was an HR requirement for Meredith?

Wendy (51:25.762)
Yeah.

Kelli (51:37.568)
Probably.

Wendy (51:40.386)
You think? You really think?

Kelli (51:41.524)
Yeah, why not? Yeah, they probably said you have to apologize on camera. They're covering it up for her. Production's covering it up for her. They definitely have footage of this. Or they at least know what happened.

Lori (51:47.897)
Yeah, like we don't want this. Yeah. We don't want this. Right.

Wendy (51:51.757)
Yeah.

You're probably right.

Lori (51:57.624)
Right, so they're probably like, now look, you're gonna do this apology, we're gonna do it on the air. Let's.

Kelli (52:07.22)
Yeah, I believe it.

Lori (52:08.139)
I don't know. That's how I felt. Because it was the most disingenuous apology I've ever heard in my entire life. I would have told her, save your fucking breath. Because now I'm really pissed because now you're just wasting my time to come out here to hear you say fucking nothing. I was the non-appreciator.

Wendy (52:23.746)
It was a non-apology. It was not an apology.

Kelli (52:26.922)
Well, the best was when she said, I try to treat people with kindness and respect.

Lori (52:30.913)
Okay.

Wendy (52:32.226)
Yeah. Okay.

Kelli (52:33.126)
Really? Who?

Wendy (52:38.286)
But Brittany says, thank you. Thank you for that apology. That means a lot to me. I'm like, Brittany, that was too easy. You made it too easy. You made it too easy for her.

Kelli (52:44.052)
Now she's got her moment.

Wendy (52:49.622)
I liked when she also said, I'm not aware of the intricacies and nuances of your relationship, meaning her and Seth. I was like, wait, what? Really? It was Shady Thing. Yeah.

Kelli (52:59.168)
Mm.

Lori (53:02.277)
I thought that was a little telling too.

Kelli (53:02.484)
Neither are we.

Kelli (53:08.18)
Well, it is telling. Nobody knows about the intricacies of their relationship because we don't know anything about Meredith's real life.

Lori (53:09.837)
Right?

Wendy (53:09.987)
Yeah.

Lori (53:16.473)
And obviously it makes it makes me the viewer think, so there are some intricacies to her relationship.

Kelli (53:23.688)
Of course. Of course. mean, Lisa said she screwed half of New York for a reason. They have an open marriage. Just admit it.

Wendy (53:26.446)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (53:34.136)
She's not admitting it.

Kelli (53:35.338)
She's not admitting it.

Wendy (53:39.256)
She admits it was a shady thing to bring up the TikTok and she now realizes that was a trigger for Meredith. So she said she was sorry. Meredith said, yeah, but Meredith said, to be clear, the real trigger was that you came in under the premise that you were trying to help me when you were trying to intentionally hurt me.

Kelli (53:47.744)
That was another buzzword that it triggered something in her.

Kelli (54:03.082)
That is true.

Wendy (54:06.452)
boy. And then I...

Kelli (54:07.552)
But hopefully we don't have to talk about this anymore, right? But you know we're going to.

Wendy (54:13.366)
gosh, I so hope not. I also like the last line I wrote down. Civility is a good place to start. Let's set the bar low. I'm like, that's about as low as you can get.

Lori (54:24.567)
And that's all of Meredith would even want. She has no interest in having any kind of relationship with her. We're just gonna go with this. Yeah.

Wendy (54:30.028)
Right.

Right, we're just going to coexist. Just coexist.

I don't think that's going to last long either.

Kelli (54:42.172)
Absolutely not.

Lori (54:44.171)
I just don't think that she's a very compassionate person.

Kelli (54:50.005)
Merida.

Wendy (54:51.906)
No, I mean we're on episode 11. When are they going to Greece?

Kelli (54:57.216)
I don't know, I we're more than halfway through.

Wendy (54:59.968)
Yeah. And I think they filmed the reunion.

Kelli (55:05.535)
Really?

Wendy (55:06.518)
Yes, I think that they filmed the reunion.

Kelli (55:10.986)
Can't wait for the looks to come out.

Wendy (55:13.228)
Or was it Potomac's reunion that was filmed?

Kelli (55:17.216)
Well, therefore, no, they're not further along. Because I think we just.

Wendy (55:21.318)
One of the reunions was just filmed and now I can't remember which one. All right, we're gonna have to wait and see.

Kelli (55:30.228)
Yeah, there was a picture floating around social media of Potomac from, I believe it was a prior, a former reunion where they were all in green dresses, but I don't think that that's from the current season. But I did just recently see that picture on social media.

Wendy (55:44.874)
Okay.

Wendy (55:50.67)
All right, I guess we're gonna have to wait and see what happens. We're almost at our hour point.

Kelli (55:55.092)
Yes.

Wendy (55:56.726)
So we're gonna wrap this up unless you guys wanna add anything. Okay. Thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye.

Lori (56:00.333)
Nope. I'm good.

Kelli (56:08.608)
Bye.

Lori (56:09.434)
Bye.