RHOSLC-Reunion Reckoning: Accountability, Addiction Accusations & a Shocking Separation

Wendy (00:01.102)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.723)
I'm Kelly.

Lori (00:05.688)
And I'm Lori.

Wendy (00:08.236)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Season 6, Reunion Part 3.

Lori (00:15.685)
Do you guys really think we needed three parts?

Two would have been fine.

Kelli (00:20.606)
Absolutely not. But this is the new formula for Bravo. Three reunions, end the season on a trip. They find a formula that works one time and then they stick with it until we all say we've had enough.

Lori (00:27.973)
Blah blah blah.

Lori (00:32.047)
and then they keep using.

good.

Wendy (00:35.67)
Okay, you know, before we get into this, I have to bring up some really exciting news. So, Cathy Hilton, the Cathy Hilton, started following us on Instagram and has been engaging with us. By the way, Kelly asked the question, how does she not have a generator? Guess what? She has a generator, she answered us. She has a full house generator and she did.

Kelli (00:57.046)
House generator.

Lori (01:00.495)
Good girl, Cathy. Good girl.

Wendy (01:04.096)
She did blow dry her hair with her handheld fan. She's maintaining that. So you have no idea. You have no idea what this means to me, that the real Kathy Hilton actually engaged with us and now follows us on Instagram on We Wine Whenever. And I will also ask our listeners, please follow us on Instagram. It's actually our least followed platform of all of our platforms. I mean, I don't know why.

Lori (01:08.005)
She's so funny.

Kelli (01:09.598)
Very impressive.

Lori (01:29.675)
It is! It is, yeah!

Kelli (01:32.277)
Yeah.

Wendy (01:33.634)
But Kathy Hilton found us there and I could just picture her, right. I could picture her laying in bed scrolling and coming across us.

Lori (01:33.881)
I don't know why. There you go.

Kelli (01:35.776)
That's right. That's right.

Lori (01:42.934)
Yep.

Kelli (01:44.586)
Yes. Yes.

Lori (01:47.492)
Yes.

Wendy (01:47.886)
So I had to share that with everybody.

Lori (01:50.211)
Yeah, I think that's, I think that's lots of fun. And I think if anybody's going to follow us, think there's just something about that, that she's the one, you know what I mean? She's just very relatable and she's fun and she just, yeah, I'm happy it's her. That's our first.

Kelli (01:50.58)
absolutely.

Kelli (02:00.342)
Mm-hmm. Yes. Totally agree.

Wendy (02:01.23)
Absolutely.

Kelli (02:08.82)
Yeah, I totally agree.

Wendy (02:09.238)
Me too. Me too.

Lori (02:11.087)
Well, Danielle, Danielle, the brow follows us and she's awesome. Yeah, she's awesome. Yeah, she's awesome too.

Kelli (02:13.578)
Yes, well yeah, our favorite, Danielle Cabral, yeah. I'm pretty sure Frank Catania Sr. also, which is also very exciting, because we love him.

Wendy (02:17.984)
Yes. Yes. Yes, he does. Yes.

Lori (02:21.765)
He's so hot. Very excited.

All right, so we love you, Kathy.

Wendy (02:28.526)
Yes, we do love Cathy. And I wanted to bring up something before we go into the reunion. Bravo Docket did a podcast about Brittany Bateman. I wanted to get this information out there. They went through, like Bravo Docket does, they went through all the court proceedings and the legal filings between Brittany and her ex-husband. And they also put out there, which I'm not as concerned about, I'm not really gonna talk about.

Kelli (02:30.42)
Yes, thank you, Kathy.

Wendy (02:57.494)
what kind of mess Jared is in as well. But the thing that I found, I know, like who cares, right?

Lori (03:01.252)
Yes.

Kelli (03:05.376)
Who cares?

Wendy (03:07.476)
Exactly. The thing that I found so interesting about Brittany is she has some abuse allegations against her second husband and the legal

Kelli (03:18.174)
Is this the father of her children? Okay. So.

Lori (03:20.216)
now.

Wendy (03:20.798)
No, no. name, the second husband, his name is John Scott Underwood. And the allegations are severe emotional and financial abuse, controlling behavior. Some of the accusations include the ex-husband keeping a whiteboard list of her mistakes, installing cameras to monitor her and her children.

Kelli (03:35.286)
financial.

Wendy (03:50.114)
dictating her beauty products and clothing and controlling her daily gym workouts.

Kelli (03:58.168)
Wendy (03:59.745)
So.

Kelli (04:00.726)
He sounds like a peach.

Lori (04:03.557)
Winner, winner chicken dinner.

Wendy (04:04.256)
Yes. Yes. Yes.

Lori (04:08.313)
Listen, dudes with three names, dudes with three names, I found it's never a good thing. I got too many names.

Kelli (04:09.302)
Holy cow!

Kelli (04:16.148)
you gotta watch. Or at least guys who refer to themselves as someone with three, because, know, most men have middle names, but most don't introduce themselves as, you know.

Wendy (04:16.621)
Yeah.

Lori (04:22.401)
Yes, 23 minutes, yes.

Lori (04:28.729)
John Small Underwood, yeah, no.

Kelli (04:30.294)
Exactly. Something small if he's not controlling.

Wendy (04:30.752)
Hahaha!

Lori (04:33.573)
Go. Well, whatever.

Wendy (04:33.838)
Scott, John Scott. I mean, it could be small, who cares?

Lori (04:38.506)
He's sounding small, he's sounding small. Something small.

Wendy (04:45.678)
But this kind of explains her strained relationship with her daughters because they were, they go into great detail, Bravo Docket, about this. So I recommend that our listeners go and listen to that episode because like I said, it's very, it gives a lot of information. was the January 14th episode. Another thing it says is the status is that it's sealed. So there's a lot of unresolved issues.

And there's also a lawsuit from the mother-in-law, that mother-in-law, John Scott's Underwood's mother-in-law, stating that there's legal issues involving a $100,000 claim regarding a family trust against Brittany. Well, she didn't have control of that. He did. So if there's a family, I mean, this is what it's looking like. Obviously, we don't know, but it's looking like this guy was a real...

winner and I think that it explains a lot of what we see of Brittany on the show. That's all I'm going to say about it. Like I think that, you know, she hasn't really given this information to us maybe because she can't and

Kelli (05:50.932)
Yeah.

Lori (05:57.157)
Mmm.

Kelli (05:57.632)
Well, if it's sealed, would imagine she can. So she divorced her girl's dad, married this guy, and then, so her girls stayed with their father. He kept custody of them.

Wendy (06:00.158)
Right. Right.

Wendy (06:14.988)
I guess so, yes, but I think that they were with her at one point and because of this ex-husband is, you know, with him recording them, they're like, we're not dealing with this. And I think, you know, from what I can understand from listening to Bravo Docket, like it was a bad situation. It was a bad situation.

Kelli (06:25.918)
Yeah, okay.

Kelli (06:34.664)
And then maybe she finally leaves him and then she starts dating Jared. So maybe, yeah, she doesn't have a good picker and maybe most of her issues between she and her daughters aren't necessarily about her relationship with Jared. It probably goes back to that second husband, but maybe the Jared relationship triggered them.

Wendy (06:42.368)
Yes. Listen, she doesn't have a good picker.

Lori (06:45.509)
No, no.

Wendy (06:58.626)
guests. It carried over. Yeah.

Yeah, I think that that's it. So I just wanted to put that information out there. just to give it a little more context, because we pick up on the reunion where we left off on part two, which was where Brittany was very upset with Meredith. And she walks off because she thinks that Meredith is, well, Meredith is calling her anti-Semitic because she wrote that post about the nail person that, again, she had no idea that he, she was just commenting on the way he did her nails, not about his.

Beliefs?

Kelli (07:35.349)
Yeah, and I think that what Meredith, I guess, was claiming that Britney didn't take her post down quick enough, like she was like, I don't know anything about this, or, you know, but listen, I don't think that that makes her anti-Semite. I just don't. I mean, and I absolutely loved

Lori (07:55.301)
Stop it. That's all have to say. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it.

Wendy (07:56.67)
No. Right. Right.

Kelli (08:03.7)
when Andy said to Meredith, maybe she just doesn't like you. Like, because honestly, that's what it is, Meredith. You're not a nice person. You haven't been very nice to her. So that's probably what it is. I'm sure if she were... She wouldn't have gone to your bat mitzvah, right? If she truly felt like that, right?

Lori (08:08.006)
Hahaha, that was good.

Wendy (08:08.334)
Yeah.

Wendy (08:15.064)
Yeah.

Lori (08:29.921)
So it makes no, it doesn't, it's not even worth talking about because it makes not a lick of sense, not a lick of sense. She's pulling stuff out of her ass and she just needs, yeah, stop it. Stop it.

Kelli (08:33.93)
Yeah, you're absolutely right. You're right.

Kelli (08:39.766)
Yeah, she's deflecting.

Wendy (08:43.394)
Yeah. I did think it was interesting. know, she is backstage crying. You know, I mean, she's really crying. She's, I would, I say hysterical. Like that's how much she's crying backstage. And Andy continues talking to Meredith and asking her, you know, Mary sat you down and she tried to have a reasonable conversation with you about it. And she said, yeah, I didn't understand that. And Mary's like, well, that in itself is alarming. Like that you didn't understand it. Right?

Lori (09:10.283)
Yeah, absolutely.

Wendy (09:13.454)
So then Andy starts to talk and this, Brittany comes back in and just like sits down and says, Meredith, I apologize profusely. I bawled my eyes out. I told you I was sorry. Shut up. We squashed it. I'm back. We're done. I'm like, wait, what? Like what just happened?

Kelli (09:13.504)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (09:30.381)
Yeah, it was odd.

Kelli (09:30.42)
Yeah, it was so, and Meredith and Mary were like actually like making headway with their conversation. And it was like, yeah, like Brittany didn't acknowledge that at all. She just sat down and was like, Meredith? And everybody was like, It was, yeah. I mean, even her walking off like.

Wendy (09:35.788)
Talking.

Lori (09:37.209)
Yeah. And she just busts in.

Lori (09:46.927)
Yep. okay.

Wendy (09:48.43)
You

Lori (09:51.183)
It was odd.

It had to, listen, I understand she was upset. She had every reason to be upset, but the problem comes in when you add your extra performative oomph on top of it, you denigrate whatever valid upset-ed-ness you had in the first place by your drama because yeah, when your theatric comes out too much,

Kelli (10:07.21)
Yes. Yes.

Kelli (10:17.532)
Overly theatrical. Overly theatrical. Yeah. Yep. Yep.

Lori (10:23.197)
You fuck it all up. You mess it all up and you just... No. She just has to stop with the theatrics and it's fine. She had every reason to be upset, but...

Kelli (10:33.014)
Mm-hmm. All right.

Wendy (10:37.9)
Right, move on.

Kelli (10:39.966)
And listen, I understand some of the ladies not loving her because of that behavior, because I find it annoying as well. However, I don't think she's anti-Semitic. And calling her that was ridiculous. Yes.

Lori (10:47.083)
yeah.

No.

Lori (10:53.465)
It was rude.

Wendy (10:53.932)
It was. By the way, so then Whitney says, Andy, like, I liked this conversation between Meredith and Mary. And he's like, I did too. Like, let's get back to that, which I was glad we got back to that.

Kelli (11:02.772)
Yeah.

Lori (11:06.841)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (11:07.252)
Yeah, because they're very easily redirected at these reunions. So yeah, bring it back.

Wendy (11:17.036)
Yeah. So Mary says to Meredith, you know, there was a lot of things that you were venting and you could have vented to Lisa. And she's like, Meredith said, yeah, I didn't say that I didn't do it. I did. I said that I vented to Lisa. And I said that, you know, it was in the beginning of the flight and at the end of the at the end of the flight. And Andy asked Meredith, had she had a couple of drinks before she got on the plane? And she's like, well, I had one drink in the lounge.

Then Andy asks, a viewer wants to know, they're very confused why you can't remember what happened at the end of Crazy Rich Asians. I was like, this is the question you ask her?

Kelli (11:58.677)
Yeah, yeah, that was, that was so dumb. Because listen, I've never seen that movie, but apparently there's like a big thing at the end. I know, I've watched movies and haven't specifically remembered the ending. We were just talking about The Last Stranger Things before and I was like, wait a minute, like trying to think in my head. And I just watched that on New Year's Eve, you know?

Lori (11:59.119)
Right, right. These are the things that you're wondering people? Like, I was dumb.

Wendy (12:03.213)
Now.

Lori (12:11.909)
I never saw.

Lori (12:21.614)
Add it in.

Wendy (12:22.081)
Yeah!

Lori (12:24.773)
But this is the thing with Britney and the plane. I believe that Meredith was pissed off. I believe that she had more than one drink. Maybe she had one in the airport, but she certainly had one on the plane because she said she spilled the wine. So I think she got all jacked up. I think she was being probably very nasty.

Kelli (12:39.754)
Definitely.

Lori (12:53.881)
But I also think that Brittany is very dramatic. And again, just like I said before, with her having reason to be upset, but then walking off and being overly dramatic, she probably was way over the top with her drama and sucked everybody else in. And I'm sure that Brittany made it much worse than it actually was because of her over the top reaction.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

Kelli (13:25.481)
on the plane?

Wendy (13:25.538)
I I do. I understand. But I think because so many other ladies validated what she said and they know she's over the top and they didn't feel like she was over the top. I mean, at one point Angie says,

Lori (13:27.204)
Yeah, on the plate.

Kelli (13:33.984)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (13:38.676)
Right. And I think if they did, they would have called her out on it. Yeah.

Lori (13:42.661)
Mmm.

Wendy (13:42.742)
Yeah, because Angie says when she walked off crying, that was nothing compared to how she was on the plane.

So I don't think all these ladies are that anti-Meredith, that they're going to jump on Brittany's side that much.

Kelli (14:01.278)
And it doesn't sound like she was reacting other than crying. Cause she wasn't yelling back. We wouldn't know by now if she were yelling back and going back at Meredith. So it sounds to me like she was just sitting there like crying, possibly sobbing, like maybe over the top sobbing. Yes, yes, yes. Sure.

Lori (14:21.483)
That's what I'm saying. There's definitely an over the top factor to her being upset. And I'm not saying it wasn't warranted. I'm just saying that it was certainly over the top.

and when you behave over the top like that.

Kelli (14:41.28)
Well, it's like the boy who cried wall.

Lori (14:42.657)
Yeah, it just-

Wendy (14:47.03)
It could go back to her second husband who had a whiteboard of list of all the things she did wrong though too, to be quite honest with you.

Kelli (14:53.258)
Yeah, that's wild. That's wild.

Lori (14:53.925)
Could be, could be, could be.

Wendy (14:55.586)
You know, it could be a PTSD trauma response. Do you know what I'm saying? So the fact that, you know, Meredith doesn't own any part of it ever is just really the part that is just ridiculous. It's just ridiculous.

Lori (14:58.469)
Absolutely. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.

Kelli (14:58.774)
Yeah. Yep. Yeah.

Kelli (15:08.144)
it's absolutely ridiculous. You're, said it last week. You're clearly lying about something if you admit to nothing. I mean, it's just, it's so apparent. She's ridiculous. Seriously, Bravo. Get her off the show. She's not, when she's not on the episode, you don't miss her at all. She brings nothing. People.

Wendy (15:19.212)
Yeah, that's it.

Kelli (15:36.459)
hate Lisa Barlow, but let's face it, least like if you think of, she's entertaining and if you think of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, you think of Lisa Barlow, you think of Heather Gay, you even think of Whitney Rose for crying out loud. You don't think of Meredith Marks, in my opinion. She's not, she's not like an X factor on this show. Get rid of her. She shares nothing, admits to nothing. Just get rid of her. We don't need her.

Lori (15:40.132)
she's entertaining as hell. She's entertaining.

Lori (15:53.605)
Don't think of Meredith. No. No. No.

Kelli (16:07.414)
She's a non-factor.

Wendy (16:09.984)
I agree. I've never actually never been a fan of Meredith Marks. Wasn't a fan of her son Brooks because I wasn't a fan of her and I never gave him a chance. after watching Next Gen NYC over the summer, I was like, you know what, I'm actually a fan of her son getting to see him in his own element without her. So we don't need, we don't need, we don't need her anymore.

Kelli (16:36.138)
We don't need Meredith Marks anymore. At all.

Wendy (16:40.844)
And then Lisa chimes in and she's trying to, she's just starts, she's another one who starts crying. Andy hands her a tissue and she said, I just felt so much empathy for Meredith because of the way you ladies made me feel on the boat. I'm just like, really?

Kelli (16:54.912)
my God, she turned it right back on herself. drop of a dime. I was like, my God.

Lori (16:57.189)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (16:57.792)
Right. Right.

Lori (17:03.045)
She's a master at that. She's really good at it.

Kelli (17:04.742)
I mean, it's clearly an art form with her. I she should give classes on that. She should do what Amanda does on Beverly Hills and actually sell that class. Now that I'd pay for. No, I wouldn't, no.

Wendy (17:04.95)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (17:08.142)
Okay.

Lori (17:14.757)
Thanks.

Wendy (17:19.265)
No, you wouldn't.

Wendy (17:23.616)
Mary says to Lisa, can't be crying about things that you did in the past. And Lisa says, I'm not taking accountability for stuff I didn't effing do. And she's yelling like, that's it. That's the end of the story. And that's the thing with Lisa when she's on these reunions or she's confronted. She just keeps yelling. And she thinks the louder she gets, the more valid her points are. And it's like, it's just more annoying. It's not that you're more valid.

Kelli (17:41.494)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (17:44.857)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

Kelli (17:50.967)
She yells and yells and yells and doesn't stop talking and doesn't stop talking and then she's like, I'm done, I'm done. They're not even listening to me. And when he started talking about John, she was saying how embarrassed she was and she would never do that to him. And all of the other ladies were like, Lisa, we know John. We know he loves you. That didn't change our perspective of John. She would not.

Shut up for two seconds to listen to hear them say that. All she kept talking about was her feelings and how it made her feel and then she's like to Andy, forget it, because nobody's listening to my feelings. It's like, holy shit.

Lori (18:26.212)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (18:40.837)
Well, this is the thing with that. She's just unbelievable because instead of being concerned about something that your husband felt that he had to say on national television about your relationship, I mean, obviously he said this on the show so that you would watch it back and maybe you would really listen to what he has to say. He could have said it to you in private.

Kelli (18:53.793)
absolutely.

Wendy (18:55.907)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (19:10.735)
but he chose not to. So instead of worrying about that, your main concern is that he made you look bad. And that to me says it all. That just puts the rubber stamp on the narcissistic behavior because that's what you're concerned about.

Kelli (19:19.018)
Yes.

Kelli (19:29.6)
She really doesn't care about the real issue. She only cares about the optics. She only cares about what we all think it is. Not, she doesn't care what it really is and how to maybe make it better.

Wendy (19:37.518)
Absolutely.

Lori (19:45.327)
That's what I'm saying, it's crazy.

Lori (19:50.053)
That's what I'm saying. Like, why wouldn't you be concerned that your husband had to say that in the first place? Like, that should be your focus. Not that he made you. You made yourself look bad in the fact that he even had to say it to you.

Kelli (19:51.478)
That's a crazy way to live. Right.

Kelli (20:07.338)
Yeah, it's just, sounds exhausting to live like that, doesn't it? That sounds exhausting to me.

Wendy (20:12.886)
It does.

No, it definitely does. It does.

Wendy (20:22.638)
So they're kind of going back and forth and Whitney's jumping in. And then Andy says, you know what, to wrap this up to Meredith, is there any accountability that you'd like to take about what happened on the airplane ride or on the way back or admit that you did or said? And Meredith said, 100%. I vented to Lisa. It was not an appropriate time, and I didn't mean to hurt Britney's feelings.

Lori (20:47.077)
Well, yes, you did. Yes, you did. That was the whole focus of your conversation with Lisa, of your venting to Lisa. The whole point of it was to hurt Britney's feelings.

Kelli (20:48.896)
Which is, yeah, a bus.

Wendy (21:00.632)
She said I did say all those things to her face. Everything I said on the plane I had already said to her face.

Kelli (21:00.715)
Yes.

Wendy (21:08.138)
Okay, so this is your accountability. Right, that's your accountability.

Lori (21:08.325)
to them, why would you feel the need to say them again? You know what mean?

Wendy (21:15.628)
Yeah. Brittany then thanks Mary specifically for the plane. She said, I know that you and I have had our differences, but you really rallied around me. you stayed with me in the customs line. You were really there for me. And she's like, I felt you're kind. And Heather jumps in. She's like, all of a sudden, I felt like Pastor Mary showed up. That's another thing, like Mary. So.

My thoughts on Mary have changed every season with her, right? First, she was, the first season, she was very curt, she was very rude, right? She was rude. I mean, she called Heather, what is she called? Inbred, inbred, right. She told Jen Shaw she smelt like hospital.

Kelli (21:48.501)
Yes.

Kelli (21:54.069)
Yes.

Lori (21:54.469)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (21:59.712)
in bread.

Lori (22:00.949)
Imprint.

Kelli (22:09.974)
I mean listen, it is what it is. I don't think there's anything wrong with that if she really did smell like a hospital. She did just come from visiting her aunt. So, she wasn't all, you know, she wasn't way off with it.

Wendy (22:10.38)
I mean, just the things that she said.

Wendy (22:24.472)
So then we don't see, she doesn't come to the reunion when everything comes out about her church closing and all the backlash. She doesn't go to that reunion and then she's not on for the next two seasons. And then all of a sudden we get her back as a friend of, and she's still a little, not really participating, still a little, you know, off with her words, but very entertaining nonetheless. And then...

Kelli (22:37.707)
Yeah.

Wendy (22:53.932)
You know, obviously she goes through this horrible time with her son and for a couple of seasons and we see her going through that. But this whole time this is going on, there's this investigation into her church. And I know that there was a documentary where they called it a cult. I mean, I think a cult is a very strong word. did she ask for money? Yeah, they asked for money. Did people give them money that they probably didn't have?

Probably that happened, but I don't know that that's cult behavior, right?

Kelli (23:28.668)
I mean, I mean listen if you're calling her church or cult you could call a lot of churches a cult You could look call a lot of religious organizations a cult

Wendy (23:34.2)
Yeah.

Wendy (23:38.252)
Yeah, because they ask for money that sometimes people don't have.

Kelli (23:40.841)
And right, but we choose to be, right, well yeah, we choose to be parts of these religious organizations. know, nobody was holding any of her parishioners against their will for being there. I didn't watch the documentary yet, I will, but I mean, she's gonna ask for money. She's the leader of a church.

Lori (23:42.277)
But if you're dumb enough to give it... If you're dumb enough to give it...

Wendy (23:53.442)
Yeah.

Lori (24:00.484)
Yeah, I have much to give.

Wendy (24:00.641)
No, I did.

Wendy (24:07.808)
I agree with that. mean, there is some things that I did.

Kelli (24:09.3)
I don't know how aggressive she is, but...

Wendy (24:12.8)
I mean, we've seen her do her preaching. She gets it in her and she's, yeah, it is what it is. But the things I found interesting in that documentary that have never been brought up are the things that, like for example, she said that her grandmother wanted her to marry her step grandfather. That's what her grandmother's wishes were. But the facts are...

that she was, don't, the term isn't excommunicated, but she was at that time, she wasn't a member of the church, she was excommunicated because she, her grandmother had kicked her out of the church because of her behavior, because of her drinking and her drugs. She was not a good person at that point. So like, is that, why are those questions not asked? Do you know what I'm saying? Like, why is that never brought up?

Kelli (25:08.754)
And he really didn't go into the documentary that much.

Wendy (25:09.09)
and

Wendy (25:13.216)
Not at all. mean, he just kind of glossed over it. He just glossed over it. And then other things, like, listen, I think, you know, she said that she's had a strange relationship with her mother, but, you know, her mother was interviewed for this documentary before she had passed. And again, it's her word against Mary's word, but...

Kelli (25:33.332)
That's what it is, exactly. It's their word against hers. mean...

Wendy (25:38.37)
And there's other people in the documentary. There's other people, specifically when she went to Whitney's house and she said about her, Lure, you had brought this up. She said about one of her parishioners was driving and they didn't have their seat belts on and went flying out of their sunroof and fell into the neighborhood. And one of Whitney's kids said, they alive? And she's like, no, they're dead. Wear your seatbelt. Okay.

Lori (25:54.004)
yeah,

Lori (26:01.913)
Yeah, she can do some kooky shit. She can definitely do some kooky shit.

Wendy (26:04.256)
Right, like that not only was a parishioner, but that was like a parishioner's very close family, that it was her organist, the person who we met on the show as her organist, it was his niece. Like this is not just like some rando. Right, like some of the people in this documentary we have seen on the show and had been with Mary for a long time and had some...

Kelli (26:16.822)
Wow.

Lori (26:17.507)
Yeah. Miranda. Right. Right. Yeah.

Kelli (26:19.979)
Night.

Wendy (26:30.7)
valid points. And it just kind of blows my mind that, you know, Bravo, they paint these pictures of these characters that they want us to see, right? Like they brought back Mary for a reason. They knew all this stuff when they brought her back. They knew all this stuff. Because it was, this was all in the works at the time. So it just kind of, I don't know.

Lori (26:43.257)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (26:43.83)
yeah.

Wendy (26:56.578)
It has me really second guess a lot of the things we see and talk about. Kind of like Kelly, remember when we're talking about Members Only Palm Beach? And we watched the whole thing and we were like, my gosh, this is a train wreck. And then the more it came out, the more we found out what really happened, the real behind the scenes. Like we only saw what they want us to see.

Kelli (27:15.486)
Yep. Yep. Right.

Wendy (27:20.962)
I don't know. I know that I love reality, but I really want it to be reality, you know?

Kelli (27:22.325)
And...

Lori (27:28.683)
No, it's not though, it's not.

Kelli (27:28.966)
Right. And not manufactured by the producers and especially, and we've talked about this, especially with this plane thing. The producers know what happened. Tell us. We're invested in this show for a reason. Just like the Potomac BS with the house. The producers know what really happened. They know who set that house up. They know who knew about the water not running. Tell us.

Lori (27:32.997)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (27:48.046)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (27:59.039)
You know, we're investing our time into these shows, but the producers are like the puppet masters behind the scenes editing and only showing us what they want us to see. mean, listen, I don't feel bad for any of these women. You choose to go on this show. So by choosing to go on this show, just like we choose to come on this podcast a couple of times a week, we are choosing to allow people out there to react the way they want to react. And some of them don't react well.

Wendy (28:05.122)
Yes.

Kelli (28:30.826)
You know, but it's not reality TV. It's producers' TV because they're editing and giving us what they want to give us.

Lori (28:34.807)
No. Yes. they work, right, and they work really hard at pitting characters against each other and you know, there's all kinds of goings on behind the scenes. So yeah, I agree with you, Wendy. I think there's a lot to marry. I think there's a lot there.

Kelli (28:47.274)
Sure? Sure.

Wendy (28:58.403)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I do too. I do too.

Kelli (29:03.515)
I mean, is it confirmed that her grandmother wanted her to marry Robert Sr. though?

Wendy (29:08.268)
No, there's no confirmation. There's nothing in writing. It wasn't in writing anywhere. It's just Mary's word.

Lori (29:13.775)
Right, so who knows?

Wendy (29:15.532)
It's just Mary's word. So no, it's not confirmed. You know, it's not confirmed.

Kelli (29:19.87)
Okay. And I guess Robert Sr. was like, I'm not going to argue.

Wendy (29:25.73)
Yeah, and we're not ever gonna see him again because of how he was shown the first season. So he doesn't need to, you know.

Kelli (29:33.322)
Yep, yep, yeah.

Wendy (29:37.71)
So Andy then asks Whitney if she's decided to walk away from her company or if she's trying to win back ownership. And she said she's fully separated the company. It was finalized in the middle of the summer. And unfortunately, she had to buy back all of her inventory. But she now officially owns the Wild Rose Beauty brand. Like that is her company solely her own again. So I was glad to hear that. I have no idea how much it cost her to buy it back.

Kelli (30:03.36)
Yeah, absolutely.

Lori (30:04.847)
Yeah, good for her. Bye too much.

Wendy (30:06.914)
But at least she got it back. I'm sure it was too much. And then Andy asked, are you and Justin now? And she's like, we're continuing to work on communication. Listen, I really like when she was really getting emotional and she asked for a minute and she went in the back to talk to Justin. I thought Justin was a rock star. I mean, he really is. He really is.

Lori (30:10.49)
Yeah.

Kelli (30:29.652)
He always is with her. He always is with her.

Lori (30:33.199)
So I have a prediction.

Wendy (30:36.556)
Okay, what's your prediction?

Lori (30:37.891)
My prediction is it's she's going to bring it out that she cheated on.

Kelli (30:43.526)
I totally agree with you because when Bronwyn was speaking about she and Todd and then Whitney started talking, I really thought that Whitney was basically saying she was coming from the same place as Bronwyn because Justin had asked her to separate. I thought that's what she was gonna say. And I thought she probably cheated. Because she got so emotional.

Lori (30:50.405)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (31:04.046)
Mm-mm. Yep.

Lori (31:09.251)
I think she's, I think she's the Todd.

Kelli (31:13.792)
Totally agree with you.

Lori (31:13.902)
in this scenario.

Wendy (31:14.542)
Well, she said that. She did say that she said that she was the Todd in the scenario. She said she was the Todd.

Lori (31:18.627)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Kelli (31:19.7)
And she said they've gotten through worse.

Wendy (31:23.202)
Yes. I also know that there's a blind out there that I keep seeing that a Salt Lake City housewife is in a full blown same sex relationship that we don't know about.

Kelli (31:37.974)
Hmm. It could be Heather. It wouldn't surprise me if it were Heather. I'll be honest with you.

Wendy (31:39.466)
And my guess is Whitney. My guess is Whitney.

Lori (31:41.893)
Could be. Could be. No. Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me either. Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me either. Yeah. Yep.

Wendy (31:46.028)
Really?

Kelli (31:48.97)
Yeah. Yeah, totally.

Wendy (31:49.154)
Really? Okay, that would surprise me. I don't know why. Nothing would surprise me at this point. Why would that? No. Right? I mean, we've never seen Heather with a man.

Lori (31:53.231)
Yeah, well,

Kelli (31:53.491)
I know, I know. I could see Heather, could see that. Right, exactly. She talks about it a lot, which, you know, you know, it doesn't mean anything. She could be bisexual. Yeah, exactly, good for her. But I wouldn't be surprised if it were her. And maybe that's why, and I'm not judging her. I think it's great how honest she is about the fact that she's so happy to be an empty nester.

Wendy (32:04.598)
Right. Good for her.

Mm-hmm.

Kelli (32:21.374)
Maybe this is why, maybe she can be open in a relationship that she otherwise couldn't be when her girls were home. Not that I think her girl, her girl seemed like so cool and they're so close and, but you don't know, maybe she just wanted to keep that part private.

Lori (32:35.613)
I think with Heather, her whole deal of just being so excited to be kid free, I don't think it has anything to do with her kids. Like I've seen people say like, like how can she be like that? I think that so much emphasis was put on her for being a mother. Like it was her, it was her whole entire makeup and identity and

Kelli (33:02.558)
Identity

Lori (33:06.233)
self-worth was wrapped up in being a mom. I think that having, yeah, but having that backed, right, but having that backed off, I think is what is giving her such joy. I don't think it's the fact that she doesn't like her children or love her children or, you know what mean? I think it has to do with the whole Mormonism.

Kelli (33:11.171)
I mean, it happens to all of us. We have to work hard to not let it.

Kelli (33:26.855)
and.

Let's give Heather credit for being honest about all of that because you have Heather who's willing to go on national television and be like, yeah, I can't wait until all my girls are out of the house. And then we have Meredith who lies about everything and admits to nothing and shows us we don't see her husband. We don't see her son. We saw her daughter twice on the show.

Lori (33:36.069)
Mm-hmm, absolutely.

Wendy (33:36.75)
100%.

Lori (33:44.197)
Yeah.

Kelli (33:57.045)
You don't show us you working. You show us nothing. We see nothing. You showed us probably a fake Bat Mitzvah, quite honestly. I'm sure that was all fake and phony. I'm sure that wasn't a real Bat Mitzvah. Right. She shows us nothing. So let's applaud Heather for actually being honest on the show. You might not agree with her, but at least she's being honest.

Lori (34:10.723)
I won't be surprised. I won't be surprised.

Lori (34:21.123)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (34:25.528)
I love that she's being honest, and I'll be honest with you. You know, I come home from work, and all of my children still live here. And they are 18, 21, and 23. I go straight to my room because that is my space. They are downstairs. I don't have possession of my main floor because they do.

Kelli (34:27.733)
Yeah.

Lori (34:43.641)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (34:50.325)
They're invasive. They're invasive. They're invasive. They're invasive. Locus. Locus.

Wendy (34:54.51)
They're like, what is it? Ivy. I was thinking more of a plant. They're like bamboo.

Lori (35:02.703)
Yeah, just sprout everywhere.

Kelli (35:05.066)
Yeah, like I love if I can come home from work and nobody's home and I don't have to worry about, listen, I really don't have to worry about cooking. I like to cook, but if it's just me, I'm like, I can eat whatever I want. And I don't have to even, I don't even have to consider what the rest of them are eating. They're all very self-sufficient, but I take it on myself. But I love nothing more than that to come home and nobody be home.

Lori (35:19.681)
Mm-hmm. Think about it.

Wendy (35:31.79)
Listen, I wish it wasn't freezing down in this basement, because this is where I would come, but it's freaking freezing down here because we don't have heat. Because nobody else is coming down here either. I don't. My nose is like, it's like ice cold. So the next thing Andy asks, and I love this, Andy says to Meredith, I'm curious, like, what was your reaction to Seth on Next Gen?

Kelli (35:32.278)
think it's great.

Kelli (35:39.659)
my God, I hope you have a blanket on your legs right now.

my god. my god.

Wendy (36:01.26)
saying his desire to be pansexual. He said that. Okay. Okay, so pansexual is that you like somebody or in love with somebody regardless of what their sex is. So they can, it doesn't matter what their sex is. Do you understand that?

Kelli (36:04.692)
What is pansexual? I should have looked it up before I...

Kelli (36:20.448)
Okay.

Lori (36:20.527)
You know what I think about that? I think that he was hanging out with the younger kids and he was just saying some shit to be cool. So I think that's what that was.

Kelli (36:26.77)
Absolutely.

Wendy (36:29.774)
Well, that's totally what it was, because I watched him do it and I laughed hysterical, like I said. And I fell in love with Seth on Next Gen. I love Brooks on Next Gen. I love Seth. Meredith now, still don't like her. yeah. And she said, listen, she said, I think he's being lighthearted. And that's what he wants. Then just let me know. it's something that she was just trying. Listen.

Lori (36:33.893)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (36:53.056)
She doesn't even know what it means because that's not an intelligent response to that if you actually knew what it meant. I didn't know what it meant, so thank you for explaining it, but if that's what he wants, hey, let me know. That's the whole point, Meredith, it doesn't matter. You could be a man or a woman. There's nothing you can do about it. You just happen to be a woman. Exactly. Right.

Lori (36:53.15)
She was just trying to get it out of the way.

Wendy (37:12.94)
Right, it doesn't matter. right, it's whoever you're attracted to. Right, it's whoever you're attracted to, right, right. And honestly, I don't think that Seth knows what it means either.

Kelli (37:24.438)
She's so stupid. I- I- Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah.

Lori (37:26.629)
No, I think he was just trying to be cool. He trying to be cool. That's all. He was trying to be hip.

Wendy (37:35.534)
what else? A viewer asked Angie if Elektra is interested in pursuing her Greek citizenship. She said she's not interested in pursuing her Greek citizenship. She's interested in going to Greece for the summer. Okay. That, you know, yeah. and she also said that, you know, Elektra is very into her horse and she's into jumping and she wants to be in the Olympics. So.

Lori (37:52.303)
That's good.

Kelli (38:04.661)
Yeah.

Wendy (38:04.918)
She will help her achieve that goal, which is great.

Kelli (38:08.212)
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's all, it's, we all have our moments where we realize that our kids aren't gonna live the lives that we wanted them to. Or at least live them exactly how we wanted them to, you know?

Lori (38:08.61)
That's good.

Lori (38:23.139)
Right,

Wendy (38:26.156)
Yep. Andy asked Brittany about, you brought Olivia to BravoCon and she's here tonight. That's her one daughter. She said that for the first time in six years, she's gonna have both of her girls home for Christmas. So I thought, listen, that's great news too. Like they're making progress. They're making progress.

Lori (38:44.341)
Mm-hmm. It was just, it's just kind of messed up though that she was dumb enough to bring Jared to. Like, it could have been a situation where you could have went to BravoCon with your daughter and had that nice mother-daughter time, but you had to bring Natool with you.

Kelli (39:00.658)
there was no way Jared wasn't going to BravoCon. He thinks he has every, just as much right to be there as Brittany does. That guy is, he is maddening. Yeah. Yeah. So, so thirsty. So thirsty.

Lori (39:10.197)
Mm-hmm. A tool.

Wendy (39:15.67)
He's thirsty, he just wants the camera time. That's what it's all about. Yeah. The other thing I learned is from Anna's podcast is that Brittany was supposed to be a full-time housewife. She thought she was gonna be a full-time housewife. She did her tagline, she did her intro piece. Like she was surprised that she was a friend of.

Lori (39:18.201)
Mm-hmm. Still thirsty. Unbelievable.

Kelli (39:31.628)
I didn't hear that.

Wendy (39:44.554)
I said, that's interesting. I mean, it's actually not surprising, but like we've said, they don't know sometimes. They don't know. The producers decide who's gonna be what when. So that tells me that her, right, that tells me that the contract has gotta be really kind of wonky. Like if you don't know if you're a full-time or, right.

Kelli (39:44.97)
That is interesting.

Kelli (39:54.634)
Right, right.

Kelli (39:59.595)
and how they're gonna edit it.

Lori (40:07.747)
Yeah, very open-ended, right?

Kelli (40:10.11)
I would imagine that only certain people get those types of contracts.

Wendy (40:14.528)
Right, right.

Kelli (40:16.97)
You know, because it's not always like, I think like obviously like Jennifer Tilly, Kathy Hilton, like they're happy being friends of. So give them a friend of contract. They're going to sign it. No problem. But somebody like Brittany or Jen Fessler, you know, talk about thirsty, you know, they just want to be on the show. So they'll take the friend of now, but their aspirations are to be a full time.

Wendy (40:17.682)
Kelli (40:44.948)
Marisol.

Wendy (40:44.982)
Right, so it came out this week that Gretchen is not going to be on season 20 of Real Housewives of OC. Now she was a friend of her last season. And I am sure that was not her decision. I'm sure that was not her decision.

Kelli (40:58.261)
Yes.

Kelli (41:04.534)
You know, I was listening to husbands watching Housewives and I was listening to them recap last week's episode of Salt Lake Reunion and they said Andy gave more, know, went so deep on this anti-Semitic thing with Brittany Emeriteth, but barely questioned Gretchen about her. It is true.

Wendy (41:13.358)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (41:29.409)
It's so true.

Kelli (41:33.17)
It is 100 % true how deep he went on this compared to that.

Wendy (41:40.674)
Yeah, it's true.

Kelli (41:41.098)
But I mean, hey, look, she's gone now. So it doesn't really matter what happened at the reunion because she's gone. And I'm sure that's why.

Wendy (41:49.027)
Yeah.

Wendy (41:55.234)
Yeah, I am too. I am too. So then the other thing that comes up is this is when the whole Lisa and John thing comes up. But Lisa says, Seth knows that I, like, I'm the one who does everything. Like, I'm the one that gets everything done. I'm the one that makes sure that Henry has John. I said Seth. Yeah, I meant John. Yeah. Confused. Yeah. So I'm like, my God. After this whole conversation about

Lori (42:09.675)
you mean John.

Kelli (42:11.52)
John.

Lori (42:12.345)
Yeah.

Kelli (42:13.962)
Yeah, it's easy to do though.

Wendy (42:21.654)
what he said to you, are still up here, you're still putting yourself up here, and you're saying that you do everything and John does nothing, that he would be lost without you? It's like...

Kelli (42:33.046)
And I mean, listen, we all probably feel that way. We all probably do feel that way. However, when your husband sits you down on national television and basically tells you you don't listen to him, and if you're not on the same page, it's because he's not on your page, it's cause for a pause. Yeah, we can all think that we're running this show because we are.

Lori (42:37.637)
Absolutely, absolutely.

Lori (42:53.453)
That's what I'm saying. It has nothing to do-

Wendy (42:54.146)
Yes.

Lori (43:01.753)
We do. Right. Right. This is not about this is not about the fact that you pick up his shirts from dry cleaning. It's just a totally different planet. She just doesn't get it. She just doesn't get it.

Kelli (43:03.028)
Right.

Wendy (43:09.432)
Right.

Kelli (43:09.94)
Wait, right.

Kelli (43:14.838)
She doesn't get it. But at least show him the respect to hear what he's saying and try to make it better. this is, you I don't think she's capable either, which is very sad because he's probably gonna leave at some point. He probably really is gonna leave at some point. It's sad.

Wendy (43:22.946)
Yes.

Lori (43:25.477)
She's, I don't think she's capable.

Lori (43:30.275)
Yeah, I think she needs some therapy. Serious.

Lori (43:38.967)
It is sad.

Wendy (43:39.554)
Yeah, she said he was jabbing at me. He took this opportunity to be jabby. I was like, no, he was trying to get you to listen.

Lori (43:49.349)
Yeah, he's trying to get your attention because obviously, like I said, if you got to say something like that to your spouse in that venue, there's a problem. You're obviously not listening when he's tried to say this before because this is not just like something all of sudden he pulled out of his ass and decided to say. This has been something that he has tried to bring to your attention numerous times.

Kelli (43:49.632)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (44:02.165)
Right.

Lori (44:19.782)
or else why would he do it in that venue? She's not getting it.

Wendy (44:20.258)
Right. Right.

Wendy (44:25.472)
And even Pastor Mary said, your husband tells you you're not a good listener, your husband knows you better than anyone. That means you're not.

Lori (44:28.353)
Okay.

Kelli (44:33.012)
Yep. Yep.

Lori (44:33.317)
Absolutely.

Wendy (44:34.785)
It's like...

Wendy (44:40.002)
Then they come back from the break after the whole Lisa thing and Andy goes to Braunwyn.

And he's like, you're not running a youth hospital in your home and you're facing off with your mother, Muzzy, despite the fact that she's wearing the sweatshirt that says everything's fine, I'm fine. The fact is like life was not fine. And Bronwyn's issues with Todd are just the cherry on top. And I was like, ooh. And then.

They go through like some of the puns and some of the things that Todd said about, you know, the whole thing with the cherry on the Sunday. And I was like, my gosh.

Lori (45:23.109)
you

Kelli (45:23.131)
Ha

I could totally picture Eric doing that.

Lori (45:30.973)
yeah!

Wendy (45:31.222)
I know. mean, yeah.

Kelli (45:33.298)
And then going and buying a jar of maraschino cherries and bringing them home and being like, here you go. You know?

Wendy (45:36.64)
Huge. Right. Right.

Lori (45:38.521)
Yes, and bring it on. There you go. Right.

Wendy (45:41.164)
Right, right, right. I don't know.

Kelli (45:44.618)
people definitely got jacked up about.

Wendy (45:48.386)
They did, they did. listen, the fact that she said that Todd went and watched all the episodes and then went on Reddit and got signed up for Instagram and read all, I'm like, my heart broke to be quite honest with you.

Lori (45:57.154)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (45:57.385)
Yes.

Kelli (46:09.568)
I was gonna say, like not a good move, Todd. Not a good move.

Lori (46:09.774)
Thank you.

No, no, no.

Wendy (46:17.706)
I feel bad. I honestly, I feel bad for Todd. I do.

Kelli (46:19.136)
But it does, I do too, and it does sound like from him doing that, maybe there's some self-reflection now.

Lori (46:28.869)
Well, maybe. But I think that the deal with her and Todd is that she married him, she really relied on him, he became her rock, he was her support system. And I think that she probably, because of just his gruffness and she's like a Charles in charge kind of guy, she just got used to being

Kelli (46:30.282)
You know?

Lori (46:58.309)
very subservient and you know, she doesn't have great self-esteem and I think she got on the show and it gave her more self-esteem. And then I think she filmed with him and then she looked back on it and she said, whoa, whoa, whoa, what am I doing? Like this is not a healthy relationship. This is not, and I think she just kind of saw it.

Kelli (47:00.637)
yeah.

Lori (47:25.113)
for what it had evolved into. And it was probably just like, you know, they were happy and it was like a habit. It's like how they, how they mesh together.

Kelli (47:34.667)
Well, on top of him possibly having extra marital affairs, which I do think he did because when Mary said, look how you've stuck by Todd. Like when Mary said that and something else happened with Mary and she was like, yeah, like just leads me to believe that this guy has definitely stepped out and Bronwyn has, you know, stuck with him through it.

Lori (47:39.502)
Right, right.

Lori (47:47.141)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (48:06.444)
Yeah, I think probably like Lori said because she felt like she had to. you know, I mean her mother...

Kelli (48:10.326)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (48:11.471)
Well, it just became like a habit. Like it's just how she was existing. It's just, you know, and she probably was basically happy in our marriage. She was just like, okay, well, you know, this is just kind of how it is. And she was like, right, right, right. And I think her seeing, like when you actually see it, then you kind of step back and be like, whoa.

Wendy (48:24.302)
She didn't know any different. Right.

Wendy (48:38.254)
It also came out about Muzzy and how Muzzy reacted to Bronwyn and the things that Muzzy said. when Bronwyn explained to Andy, like after she saw her the first time herself, you know, she's like, do I really come across that stern? And then by the time the second, you know, showing of Muzzy came out, she's like, all the memes came out.

and the jokes at her mom's expense, and Andy audibly sighed and said, God, I'm so sorry. Because imagine that's your mom. Imagine that's your mom, right? And I'm sure that's what Andy was thinking. Like, you his mom is an older woman. You bring your mom on this show, and then all of a sudden, like, everyone is, like, pummeling her, right? You know, making memes about her.

Kelli (49:15.446)
because she blames her.

Lori (49:19.397)
Right.

Lori (49:30.245)
Hate and honor. Yep.

Kelli (49:32.502)
And she's blaming you. So not only is Andy picturing it happening to his own mother, he's also thinking like, oh great, we've just added to the relationship that they had. That strange relationship.

Wendy (49:35.597)
Right.

Wendy (49:44.984)
Right.

Wendy (49:51.939)
Yeah.

Lori (49:52.965)
But again, just like with her and Todd, maybe with her and her mother, it will lead to self-reflection on all sides and hopefully everybody will come out better on the other end.

Kelli (50:00.438)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Her mom, and listen, I'm not trying to come down on this poor woman, because I also think that this is an age thing, because our parents are about the same age. I think that her mom is in denial about a lot of things. Obviously, she was in denial about her own husband's health condition. And again, I think that could be an age thing where, you know.

Lori (50:21.874)
most definitely.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Lori (50:32.035)
And it's also the Mormon thing. know, she, she was, you know, it was very important that she put the stamp out there even after all these years that this is not something that I approved of. Like that, was more important that she put that stamp on there than she like give her daughter a hug and be like, you know what? I'm sorry that I made that more important than you.

Wendy (50:34.05)
That's it, right there.

Kelli (50:34.688)
Sure, sure.

Wendy (50:57.208)
Yeah, yeah, mean, it was a lot actually. mean, I think that this, although I don't think we needed three episodes, I do think a lot came out in this episode that needed to come out, like that we needed to know about, specifically like the Bronwyn Todd and Muzzy situation. I wanted to know what Lisa's reaction to John was. I mean, it's kind of exactly what I expected. She didn't even get it. Yeah, yeah.

Lori (51:11.845)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (51:15.136)
Yeah.

Lori (51:19.577)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (51:23.038)
I was just going to say, we could have called it, but it was nice to hear it from her own mouth. Yeah. We knew what she was going to say, but it was nice to hear it from.

Lori (51:27.992)
Right, right.

Wendy (51:28.598)
Yes, exactly, exactly.

Lori (51:31.173)
And I kinda like-

Right. kind of liked how Brahman was like, you know, she kind of, she kind of batted Meredith around a little bit and Meredith was, she, she, she cleaned her clock a little bit and, and Meredith was like, she's not usually like that. But I think that, you know, but Brahman's a very articulate woman and she does not get all flummoxed and she's very, you know. So I was like, okay.

Wendy (51:34.434)
Yeah.

Kelli (51:42.063)
she checked Meredith something proper.

Wendy (51:56.456)
yes.

Kelli (52:03.765)
yeah, he ate Meredith up.

Wendy (52:04.311)
Yeah.

Yes, she did. And when, you know, Bronwyn was telling her story and Whitney was crying and, you know, she's asking her questions, you know, are you living with him now? And she's like, no. And Andy's like, well, where are you both living? And she's like, I'm in Utah. He's in New York. And then Andy said, well, are you going to see him while you're here? Because she was there filming the reunion. She's like, no, I'm not. And that, yeah, that was surprising.

Kelli (52:30.144)
That was surprising.

Wendy (52:37.989)
and

Lori (52:39.397)
Well, you know, a lot of people say that, and you just don't know what's true or not. because I, I do think she has a very calculating side to her. I'm not saying that I think that this is the case, but a lot of people do think that, you know, she came on the show to get divorced.

Kelli (53:01.342)
Yeah, people have said that. I don't know if that's necessarily true, though.

Lori (53:02.917)
You know, like who knows what the gig is, but.

Kelli (53:09.129)
I have read that.

Wendy (53:09.71)
Listen, it's not, it's not a bad plan, ladies. It's not a bad plan, right? mean, it's not a bad plan. It's not a bad plan. Yeah. Yeah. Listen.

Lori (53:13.317)
It's not it's really not a bad point It's not a bad point, you know You bring him on he looks like a dick. You're like, okay Playing big alright Yeah, you know you get it all Garner a little sympathy

Kelli (53:16.362)
financially it really works out well for you.

Kelli (53:25.814)
You rage bait him a little bit.

Kelli (53:34.976)
Yeah.

Wendy (53:35.136)
I mean, listen, I feel bad for Todd. I like Bronwyn. I feel bad for Todd. You know, she said she still loves him, and I believe that she does. I believe that she does love Todd. I don't think that that's fake. I don't think that she was pretending to love Todd. I think that she loves Todd. He's been there for a long time for her. You know, he probably was a father figure for her. You know, it is what it is, right? It is what it is.

Lori (53:38.415)
But I still like her. I like her.

Lori (53:52.015)
you

Lori (53:58.425)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Most definitely. is what it is. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Kelli (54:00.171)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (54:05.472)
And Whitney, like we've seen so much of Whitney on these, you know, we've seen so many different sides. She's another one. We've seen so many different sides of Whitney. You know, we saw her when she first came on, when the show first started and you know, we found, you know, she was on her stripper pole then and she was, you know, she was the bad Mormon at the time because she was with the married man and she broke up that marriage and.

You know, she started her own business, she lost her own business, she got her own business, like she's been through a lot as well. Like these women are real people. Yes.

Kelli (54:35.22)
and she's shown everything. her, like she, yes, she's a little bit of an annoying little sister sometimes too, but she's shown all of that. She really has.

Wendy (54:43.33)
Yeah.

Yes.

Lori (54:46.603)
And whatever, whatever she has going on, Bronwyn knows exactly what it is. Because the way that they silently communicated, whatever it is that Whitney's got going on, Bronwyn knows exactly what it is. You could just tell.

Kelli (54:52.278)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (54:56.078)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (55:03.146)
Yeah. Yeah. Listen, I just think that Meredith obviously needs to go, because she's not showing us anything. Lisa, mean, I think Lisa just wants everybody to think everything in her life is perfect, obviously, and it's not, obviously. Lisa can't get around not showing us certain things, because people keep bringing them up, even her own.

at this point, but Meredith, she just shuts everything down and takes no accountability and admits to nothing. So I mean, at least Lisa, she might talk over you and yell, and I'm not trying to defend her, I'm just saying, at least she doesn't deflect and do what Meredith does. I guess she does in her own way, but they almost don't let her get away with it.

Wendy (55:55.704)
She does deflect.

Lori (55:55.714)
In her own way, she did definitely, yeah.

Kelli (56:01.107)
where Meredith just gets away with it. She just digs her toes in the sand and it's like, you know.

Wendy (56:07.822)
Well, I did like that Whitney called out Meredith when they were talking about, Andy asked Brittany about why she was so offended when Meredith was talking to her son on Mother's Day. And she was like, you know, I thought it was rude. you know, Whitney's like, listen, we're at work. Like, we're expected to not be on our phones when we're at work. And Meredith was trying to...

Lori (56:25.509)
It wasn't it but it wasn't the phone the phone call was not the problem the phone

Wendy (56:30.016)
No, no, absolutely not. It was the fact that she was trying to get out of being in the hot seat. That's what it was all about. Right.

Lori (56:34.403)
Right, right, and her behavior after the whole sulking incident after the phone.

Wendy (56:41.09)
Yeah. But then Whitney says, because Meredith is trying to, and Whitney's like, listen, I actually have a big problem with this. All day I've heard you throw production under the bus. And that's what Meredith had been trying to do all season long. And the fact that Whitney called it out on the reunion and they aired it, I was glad to see it. Even though they didn't really give us the specifics that we know happened, at least she got that out. Because that's what Meredith does.

Lori (57:08.686)
And Andy even said, what now?

Wendy (57:13.526)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (57:14.293)
Right.

Lori (57:14.809)
So it's certainly not the first time.

Wendy (57:18.03)
Yeah.

Lori (57:19.407)
So, you know what, but this is what happens. You keep being a problem and then all of you're not gonna be there no

I mean, you'd be problem to your cast members, you'd be a problem to production, and then there you go. So we'll see. We'll see what happens for the next season. That's all it takes, Yep.

Kelli (57:40.448)
So now that's it, Salt Lake's done.

Wendy (57:43.672)
Salt Lake's done for this season and we'll have to wait and see who comes back next season. I mean...

Kelli (57:51.179)
You know, somebody said it and I think they're right. Who was I listening to? Maybe it was that guy Gibson on Anna and Ace, but he said, Salt Lake City needs to take a break. They need to take a long break like other franchises do. Salt Lake City does not take the breaks that they need. And it's not good. They need to take a decent break, not a Jersey break. But you know.

Lori (58:12.037)
Mmm.

Lori (58:17.925)
You're right, you're right.

Wendy (58:19.298)
That's a too long of a break. That is a long break.

Kelli (58:21.17)
It's yeah, mean, listen, at this point, just leave it off. Nobody cares anymore. But like Beverly Hills, like we see them film, you know, three months out of the year and then, you know, six months or so go by and then we see them again. Like where it's almost like you're seeing one season a year for us. That's plenty. That's plenty. And Salt Lake just it's just been going and going and going and going. So hopefully they'll give them that break.

Lori (58:21.881)
Yeah, that's too long.

Lori (58:40.963)
Right, that's plenty, yeah.

Wendy (58:41.358)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (58:51.188)
Maybe something will happen in Meredith's life that she'll want to share with everybody.

Wendy (58:51.905)
What is?

Lori (58:55.823)
Yeah, hello.

Wendy (58:57.398)
Yeah, well she was on Jeff Lewis. I was listening to that and Jeff was like, I don't even know why you're on this show. You have so many other things going on. You've got your Meredith Marks jewelry. You've got your caviar. You've got your DJ thing. I was like, my God, let her go. Go do all those things. Go do them.

Lori (59:09.845)
lord.

Kelli (59:10.614)
Yeah, he's just so up her ass. I have a hard time listening to him anymore.

Wendy (59:17.164)
He is upper ass. Before we sign off, what were your thoughts on the final toast being baklava instead of a drink? Like normally it's like a drink.

Lori (59:24.237)
I love baklava.

Kelli (59:24.65)
I thought that was cute. Yeah, me too. I thought that was fun.

Yeah, I love it when Mary was like, I can't eat that, it's sugar. And then she was like, this looks good. And Andy was like, you said you couldn't eat it. She's like, well, I'm just gonna look at it. I'm not gonna eat it, but I'm just gonna look at it.

Lori (59:29.902)
I love Buc.

Wendy (59:32.515)
and eat sugar.

Lori (59:32.536)
It's sugar.

Wendy (59:37.09)
She's like, I'm not gonna eat it, but it looks good.

Lori (59:39.407)
I'm gonna poke it with my fork, but I'm not gonna eat it.

We swear it.

Wendy (59:44.814)
I did too. So, anything else?

Kelli (59:45.046)
I liked it.

Kelli (59:51.427)
but did you see that they did play the preview for Rhode Island and it said, coming soon.

Wendy (59:59.906)
Yes, it did say coming soon, but we don't have a date.

Kelli (01:00:02.6)
I know, but just the fact that it said coming soon was exciting enough for me.

Wendy (01:00:07.596)
I can't wait. I'm looking forward to Rhode Island.

Kelli (01:00:09.099)
I cannot wait. I cannot wait.

Lori (01:00:10.597)
Wendy (01:00:11.884)
Laurie, Laurie's sighing, an audible sigh from Laurie. Audible.

Kelli (01:00:16.79)
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I can't wait for Rhode Island. I think it's going to be amazing because of what our favorite Danielle Cabral said to us at the Women's Expo when we saw her. All of these women are brand new. They're brand new. We don't know any of them. Nobody's an OG. We don't know anything about these women. We're learning all about them for the first time. So it's going to be great.

Lori (01:00:19.929)
Yeah, well... Mmm.

Wendy (01:00:44.802)
Yes, it's going to be great. One of them was on, I think, The Bachelor. No, Laurie's, yeah.

Kelli (01:00:46.855)
I don't think my pitch is selling to Lori right now.

Wendy (01:00:54.146)
Maybe we'll take a road trip to Rhode Island. I think it was on The Bachelor. okay, so she's up for a road trip to Rhode Island. Maybe we'll take a road trip.

Kelli (01:00:54.386)
One of the, I'm sorry, one of the... I'm in. I'm in. She's always up for a road trip.

Lori (01:00:56.943)
We could do that.

Lori (01:01:01.367)
Absolutely, Rhode Island's beautiful. I'm, yeah, road trip anywhere I'm go.

Wendy (01:01:06.05)
We'll go Rhode Island housewife hunting.

Look at that face.

Kelli (01:01:12.746)
We're gonna bring it back old school. We're gonna bring it back like circa 2020.

Lori (01:01:17.568)
lord, you can just leave me at the bar and you two go.

Kelli (01:01:19.488)
Housewife hunting. Lori will be laying in the backseat mortified. Wendy and will be like driving Ms. Daisy. It's on. It's on.

Wendy (01:01:22.03)
You

Lori (01:01:23.875)
Yes, exactly. Yes.

Wendy (01:01:30.68)
Okay, there you go. Until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe, go find us on Instagram and follow us and get us on YouTube and subscribe. Bye.

Lori (01:01:31.875)
Alright.

Kelli (01:01:42.475)
Thank you, bye.

Lori (01:01:43.599)
Bye.