RHOSLC- “Gout Dick Sucker”

Wendy (00:01.038)
Hi, welcome to We Why Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.04)
I'm Kelly.

Lori (00:04.938)
and I'm Lori.

Wendy (00:06.572)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Season 6, Episode Number 2, Law and Out of Order. Okay.

Kelli (00:16.382)
I thought this was a great episode. You know what? You know what I judged the episode on? How fast it goes by.

Wendy (00:19.358)
it was a great episode. It really was. It was a great episode. And I've actually, after watching it, I already know what we're naming it. And it's, it's suck, suck, suck a gout dick. It is suck a gout dick. That is what I'm naming this episode. mean,

Kelli (00:30.18)
does it have anything to do with gout? Yeah.

Lori (00:30.315)
Well, there you go.

Lori (00:35.847)
Okay. Yeah. I'm down for it.

Kelli (00:38.244)
I I'm gonna tell you I was a little offended by that because my husband gets gout and you do not get gout in your dick. So I don't know what Lisa was talking about.

Lori (00:46.111)
Well, listen, wait one moment please, because don't think that I did not Google that. I Google that bitch. Now wait a second. While the slang term gout dick is most likely a creative insult, a number of scientific case studies and research have confirmed that gout can, in very rare cases, affect the male genitalia.

Wendy (00:50.766)
Okay.

Kelli (00:53.116)
You didn't look it up.

Lori (01:15.229)
In these unusual instances, the condition can cause genital swelling and other severe symptoms. Uncontrolled gout can lead to the formation of tophi, chalky subcutaneous lumps made of yuric acid crystals. They can form on the scrotum and the penis. gout deck is real thing.

Kelli (01:15.636)
God forbid.

Wendy (01:25.986)
Ooh, sounds painful.

Kelli (01:29.705)
very.

Kelli (01:45.908)
That's crazy.

Wendy (01:47.278)
Hmm.

Yeah, that was interesting. We'll get there though.

Lori (01:51.305)
Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Kelli (01:52.712)
We sure will.

Wendy (01:55.256)
So we start out the next morning of the RV trip. They actually did all sleep in the RV. I was very shocked to see that.

Kelli (02:04.062)
Yes.

Wendy (02:05.1)
Right?

Lori (02:06.394)
squished in there.

Wendy (02:08.854)
Yep. The view when they got out in the morning was absolutely gorgeous. I mean, those mountains. No, those were longhorn. They were cattle. Moose. They kept saying animals. I was like, because these poor women, like they don't, mean.

Kelli (02:08.946)
Yes.

Lori (02:14.293)
Stunning, yes.

Kelli (02:14.804)
Remember those moose out there?

Kelli (02:20.51)
Somebody said something about moose. I'm like,

Well, yeah.

Lori (02:25.865)
I did hear somebody say moose, I believe that that was incorrect.

Wendy (02:30.74)
Yes, they were longhorn cattle. I don't know if you caught this, but Heather said that she can no longer spit ever since she's got Botox because she was brushing her teeth at the river.

Lori (02:40.203)
How do you, wait, how do you miss, how do you miss that? How do you miss that?

Kelli (02:40.852)
Hysterical, I have that in my notes. Exactly. Exactly. How about before that Meredith says, they're not gonna let us die, it's too big of a liability for the network. Nothing like breaking that fourth wall.

Wendy (02:43.798)
Hahahaha

Lori (02:47.339)
I didn't even listen.

Wendy (02:50.766)
That's so true. Yep. Yep.

Kelli (02:55.806)
I thought the night before Mary wasn't eating a hot dog because she's a vegetarian, yet she was eating steak at breakfast.

Lori (03:03.775)
Meeting a stake. Yeah.

Wendy (03:04.576)
No, no, no, no, it wasn't because she was a vegetarian. It was because she wanted no part of cooking the hot dog on the stick.

Kelli (03:11.956)
She had Boca burgers.

Wendy (03:13.61)
No, she had nothing. She had a bagel. She didn't want. well, maybe she did have a boat. Maybe I don't think she's a vegetarian. I don't think that was it. No.

Kelli (03:15.61)
She had, but she had a burger on a stick before she ate the bagel.

Lori (03:17.023)
Yes, do.

Kelli (03:21.86)
I thought she didn't eat meat and that's why and then the next morning she's eating steak. I'm like what happened?

Lori (03:26.859)
What happened?

Wendy (03:27.286)
Yeah, she was very concerned that Bronwyn was cooking her steak and Bronwyn

Kelli (03:30.258)
You gave up your convictions that quickly?

Wendy (03:33.024)
I don't think that that was a conviction. I don't know. But she was concerned that Bronwyn was cooking, because I guess Bronwyn, I mean, she's self admitted that she doesn't cook. I mean, like, it would be like if I was cooking, you guys would be concerned. And I would rightfully, you should be concerned, right? I mean, she was only putting the bacon in the pan. Like, let's make that clear. I wouldn't even be putting the bacon in the pan because I would fuck that up too. I'm sorry.

Kelli (03:35.887)
You

Lori (03:42.389)
doesn't cook.

Kelli (03:47.815)
Exactly.

Lori (03:48.501)
Yes.

Wendy (03:58.508)
Heather's talking about her daughter leaving for college and she's saying that, you know, this is like her last one to leave and she's never really had a break because the whole time that she's had children, she has raised them 100%. Like even when she was married, like her husband at the time was not a present father. Like he just didn't raise the children. And you know, she's exhausted and she's relieved that she's going to get a break, but she feels guilty that she feels that way because she's looking forward to the new chapter.

I listen, I, you don't need to feel guilty about that. And I feel like Bronwyn was trying to say that, but it just didn't articulate that way. Do you see something, Cal?

Lori (04:38.025)
Yeah, there were a lot of,

Kelli (04:40.446)
Yeah, but I my glasses to read it. You gotta give me a minute. There's no pause button, right? I'm sorry, give me one minute.

Wendy (04:46.158)
Hold on, let see. There was a pause button for a very short time. Where did it go? So annoying. No, we had a pause button. Yeah, they added the pause button and then they took it away. What do you see, Kel?

Lori (04:46.643)
Okey dokey.

Lori (04:53.055)
Maybe it left. It's so annoying when they change things, yes.

Lori (05:01.407)
There's only a stop button.

We should actually put this in the podcast.

Wendy (05:05.09)
Yeah.

Kelli (05:05.874)
It's probably nothing. just something that it popped up and it says leave studio and under it says end session for all. So it must be just like a pop-up that stuck, but sorry. I didn't know, so I apologize.

Wendy (05:17.204)
okay. All right, no worries.

Lori (05:19.179)
It's okay. Hey, listen, this is how it goes around here.

Kelli (05:23.194)
I know, I just feel bad because now somebody has to cut it out. Yeah, I feel bad you got to do that.

Wendy (05:24.398)
That's all right, I'll edit this out. I'll edit it out. No worries. So Bronwyn is trying to say to Heather that she feels the exact opposite. She doesn't want Gwen to move out, and she's actually allowed her daughter's boyfriend to move in because she doesn't want her to move out. She doesn't want to let her go. But listen, first of all, Bronwyn only has one, and...

It's a different situation, but she's saying that, you know, she feels like she didn't, she doesn't.

Kelli (05:56.021)
She says she doesn't know who she is without being Bramans, Gwen's mom. that's, you gotta, we're all moms, we know this, but you gotta work really hard to prevent that from happening.

Wendy (06:01.186)
Gwen's mom, right, right.

Lori (06:02.763)
friends mom yeah.

Lori (06:12.031)
Yes, most definitely.

Wendy (06:12.812)
Well, I mean, honestly, I think probably Lori could speak to that better because when she she has an she's an only child, right? So when you have three children, which Heather does, right? You you got a lot of balls in the air at a lot of times, right? And when you have one right when you have one that becomes your main focus. So, yeah, it's it's hard. You I mean, Lori, like I said, you should probably speak on that because that's more your

Kelli (06:31.017)
Yeah.

Lori (06:31.071)
all the time.

Lori (06:37.099)
Absolutely.

Wendy (06:42.947)
Your thing.

Lori (06:43.211)
It is hard. It is hard. And I, you know, I could understand what Heather was saying also though, too, because she said she wants it to be over trying to be a family. And that's, you know, that's a difficult thing. Like she said, she has to be the mother, she has to be the father. She had to always pretend like, oh, no, I'm good. Everything's OK. But with Bronwyn and having an only child, I totally understand her point of view also because

Wendy (06:49.026)
Yeah.

Wendy (06:54.189)
Right.

Wendy (07:05.763)
Right.

Lori (07:13.149)
When you have, for some reason, when you have an only, that whole motherhood guilt and how that child comes out is on you just is amplified. think maybe when you have more, if you have more than one child and two are doing well and one is not, you're like, okay, well, I can't be that big of a fuck up because at least the two are.

Kelli (07:42.719)
Well, plus the actions of the one sibling, the actions of the one sibling could affect and shape how the other siblings become. So there's not so much pressure on us as parents to be like, I fucked up. It's like, well, this one acted like a, know, jackass for so long that this one got the, you know what I mean? It's like a family dynamic thing where you,

Lori (07:42.963)
I think especially when, I don't know, I don't know, just.

Lori (08:05.853)
Right, right, right, right.

Wendy (08:10.294)
It's different, right? Right.

Kelli (08:11.25)
Right, as a parent of an only child, you're like, yeah, I'm the only one that's affected this kid.

Lori (08:11.935)
Yeah, but.

Lori (08:17.105)
Right. It's just to me and that's like the final resting, stopping point, which not true because the children are who they are and you do your best and blah, blah. But as mothers, it's always everything is our fault anyway. So when you have one, ten, it doesn't matter. That whole mom thing is that mom thing. And when she said that he didn't even take them overnight, that he would just come.

Kelli (08:23.7)
right.

No, of course not.

Wendy (08:34.26)
No, I- right.

Kelli (08:46.333)
Yeah.

Lori (08:46.887)
once a week and have like a fun Disney dad hour or something. my God, how she didn't like, I don't know.

Kelli (08:54.301)
Yeah.

I mean, we're all very lucky. We all have husbands who have been involved in our, you know, we're all married still to our kids' fathers and they've all been very involved with our kids. Maybe not as involved as us in the, you know what I mean? They're very involved. They're good fathers. They show up, they're there. And Bronwyn, you know what I was thinking? Todd travels so much.

Wendy (09:03.96)
Yes. Yes.

Wendy (09:10.776)
Absolutely. Yes, absolutely.

Wendy (09:16.886)
Yeah, no, they're involved. They show up. They're there. Yeah.

Lori (09:20.031)
Great show up. Absolutely. Yeah.

Kelli (09:26.472)
that might be another reason she doesn't want Gwen to leave. Like Heather's alone, like she doesn't have a partner, so it's not like, you know, when they're gone, she misses them and she's lonely. She's on her own. So maybe she like really, really wants to be on her own.

Wendy (09:30.348)
Yes.

Lori (09:39.445)
Well, I thought it was very telling.

Wendy (09:39.906)
Yeah.

Lori (09:44.095)
Right. Well, I thought it was very telling when Bronwyn said, you know, I'm also nervous to be without her because she said, now I have all this time to do, you know, have this fabulous life and do fabulous things and want to fight all. Like, you know,

Kelli (10:02.172)
Right, right.

Wendy (10:02.508)
Right, right.

Wendy (10:06.862)
That's a whole other pressure. Yeah.

Kelli (10:07.198)
She's putting too much pressure on herself. She's setting very high expectations for herself. Yes, yes we do.

Lori (10:07.901)
It's a whole other thing. Well, don't we all? But don't we all?

Wendy (10:13.196)
Yeah, we do. And then Whitney jumps in and said, listen, now I want to be a stay home mom more than ever. And because of the failure of her business, she can't. And honestly, the age that her kids are now is really when it's so important to be around. mean, you know, we saw her daughter a little bit when they were outside and she was, were they rollerblading or whatever. But I mean, her daughter is in a tough age. It's middle school. Like that's so tough. that's

Lori (10:29.674)
Absolutely.

Lori (10:41.141)
Horrible. Horrible.

Wendy (10:43.074)
That's when daughters need their moms. I mean, I'll be honest with you, boys not as much. I mean, I only have boys and they need me all the time, but for different reasons. But certainly I definitely see a daughter needing her mother in middle school.

Kelli (10:43.09)
The worst. The worst.

Lori (10:59.633)
most definitely. Most definitely. Most definitely. Yeah.

Kelli (11:01.288)
sure. Yeah.

Wendy (11:02.092)
Right? So my heart broke for her, you know? Then Whitney asked Mary how Robert Jr.' doing and she said, well, as well as can be expected, you know, they're taking it one day at a time and they're letting Robert figure it out. You know, she also says that she couldn't have done it without Robert Sr. I'm glad that she acknowledged that because we like, you didn't watch it before, but Robert Sr. was on in the beginning. Like we saw him.

Kelli (11:18.9)
I was happy to hear that.

Kelli (11:27.953)
season.

Wendy (11:28.64)
Yeah, they didn't paint him in a great light and he's decided that he doesn't want to be a part of it. And that's fine. You know what? He doesn't need to.

Lori (11:33.579)
And that's

Kelli (11:33.64)
And he did live in Vegas for a while and she was in Utah with their son. So I do think it was during COVID, but still, why aren't you with your wife and your kid? You know?

Wendy (11:36.746)
Yeah, yeah. I think that was during COVID though. Most... Yeah, yeah. But I was glad that she acknowledged that he was kind of her rock, right? So then they go to leave and the RV...

Kelli (11:52.756)
Yeah.

Lori (11:54.283)
I'm glad that they still have whatever relationship they have, that they still have a relationship that she feels support in that situation with her son.

Kelli (12:00.948)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (12:02.859)
Absolutely.

Wendy (12:08.778)
Absolutely.

Kelli (12:09.064)
Well, it was last season he told her like, you're a good mom, right? Like, I'm proud of you. Yeah.

Lori (12:12.042)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (12:13.676)
Yeah, definitely.

Lori (12:15.019)
And another thing that Heather brought up is that, you know, her being raised in the Mormon atmosphere, that for her to want to be anything other than a wife or a mother was considered a sin. That's some pretty heavy shit.

Kelli (12:30.13)
Right.

Wendy (12:30.499)
Right.

Kelli (12:33.48)
Yeah, mean, for sure. And that's how you're raised. You don't know anything different until you get to, you know, whatever age and then you're like, wait a minute, what? I could do something else. You know? Yeah. There's another option? I take option B.

Wendy (12:33.773)
Yeah.

Lori (12:36.564)
and pretty heavy stuff.

Wendy (12:36.738)
Yeah, definitely.

Lori (12:43.433)
Yeah. What? Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (12:45.966)
Right, exactly. This isn't the only path. Wait, there's other roads? Yeah.

Kelli (12:54.856)
Yeah.

Wendy (12:56.206)
So then they go to leave and the RV is stuck and all the ladies get out to push it except for Mary. So Bill happened to be sitting there when I was watching this and I was like, that like, could those ladies really push that RV? He's like, yeah, that could really happen. He goes, but I could tell you this right now. Like if that was you and I, he goes, you would be driving the RV, even if there was a professional driver and he'd be pushing it. I was like, that's a good point. Why wasn't he pushing it to be quite honest with you? I said, or I'd be sitting in the back like Mary. cause there's no way I would get out and push that.

Kelli (13:01.884)
I'm with Mary.

Kelli (13:15.42)
yeah.

Kelli (13:24.776)
You would not push. I would push. Lori would push. You would not push. We are pushers.

Wendy (13:25.93)
No. Yeah. yeah. You, I mean, you guys are pushers, but I don't know why the professional driver didn't get out and push. Right.

Lori (13:27.051)
I would push. would push. Yeah. You know what I thought?

Yeah. You know what I, yeah, I'm like...

Kelli (13:36.136)
And they're telling him what to do. They're like, don't go in reverse.

Wendy (13:39.006)
Right. Exactly. Yes. That's right. That's right.

Lori (13:39.305)
Right. And let Angie drive. Angie drove it before. But when I was watching that scene, I was thinking, my gosh, if one of them just fell in the mud, it would be so good. It would just be good TV. Cause it would be like something that could really happen. And I thought it would be really funny, especially if it was like Meredith. If it would have been Meredith, would have been great.

Kelli (13:44.605)
Yeah.

Wendy (13:52.885)
Yes.

Kelli (13:52.894)
So funny.

Wendy (13:56.866)
Yes.

Kelli (13:58.421)
That would have been very funny.

Wendy (14:00.302)
that would have been great. That would have been great.

Kelli (14:02.324)
You

Lori (14:03.88)
doing great.

Kelli (14:05.972)
you

Wendy (14:06.968)
So then we see Angie and Heather, they're talking about going to Amy's party. Are you going to Amy's party? And Heather lets us know that like, there's not socialites in Salt Lake City. It's like the church hierarchy. So if you're high up in the church, you're considered like a socialite. And that's who Amy is. And she lives in this huge house and she throws these fabulous parties. Must be nice, right?

Kelli (14:30.204)
Yeah, very exciting. Is she, do you think she's a potential new housewife? Is that why we're getting introduced to her or we're just, okay. I mean, she doesn't need the money, obviously. She's got plenty of that. So maybe she just wanted her moment to throw her fabulous party and be on the show one episode and call it day.

Lori (14:32.363)
There are a lot of people there.

Wendy (14:36.174)
I don't think so.

Lori (14:38.611)
I don't think so either. I don't know why, but I don't think so.

Wendy (14:40.514)
I don't think so. I don't think so.

Wendy (14:51.47)
I mean, that could be, and I'm sure that after that party at the end, she's probably like, yeah, I don't want to have anything to do with this anymore, ever. Yeah.

Lori (14:57.192)
Yeah, don't come over again. Don't come over ever.

Kelli (14:58.258)
Yeah, when somebody yells, suck out dick at your party, you're like, I think we'll shut these cameras down now.

Wendy (15:01.954)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's really, honestly, but honestly, it was the funny, don't, it was so funny. It was just, I was like, wait, what? And I think honestly, I'm, I did not expect that. I did not expect that. And I thought the even funnier thing. And I literally laughed out loud when Whitney and her confessional was like, I didn't think you could have gout in your dick. I thought it was only in your foot. was like, are you?

Lori (15:02.803)
Yeah, you're like, no, we're good.

Yeah, think.

Kelli (15:15.028)
He did not expect that.

Lori (15:15.499)
And you know what?

Kelli (15:28.916)
.

Lori (15:30.335)
Yeah.

Wendy (15:31.736)
kidding me? Like I literally left.

Kelli (15:34.052)
Well, actually that's not true because you can get it in your elbow, in your wrist. I guess any joint. But, I mean, is your penis a joint? No. All right, all right.

Wendy (15:40.768)
Yes. Yes. Yes.

Lori (15:40.841)
You can get it in your penis too.

Lori (15:45.961)
I told you it's a real thing. I've Googled it.

Wendy (15:47.27)
She looked it up. Lori looked it up, but I just, I'm sorry. When Whitney said that, I just almost died. I'm like, oh my God, Whitney, like seriously? She really did. I was like, oh yeah, that's why Mary Cole said that.

Kelli (15:55.154)
I know, cause she literally sounds like a little girl talking.

Lori (15:58.345)
Yeah, she Little girl, little girl. But the whole first half of that episode was just so nice. It was like the mom episode, you know? was really things that you could relate to. And then we went from that to like screaming profanity at a large party. And I was just like, what happened? Like what happened? Saturday.

Kelli (16:01.061)
Little girl.

Kelli (16:11.976)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Kelli (16:22.81)
a social Saturday, not just a party. A social Saturday? I mean, how D Class A? Get it together, ladies.

Wendy (16:24.672)
a social saturday i know i know i was like i know exactly

Lori (16:27.508)
Right.

I was just like, what happened? It was so nice before and then you just fucked it all up.

Wendy (16:38.638)
Yeah, I have to agree with that. Then we see Heather meets up with Lisa and Lisa asks, you know, where they went. And she said, we went to Provo Canyon. And Heather said, even though you weren't physically there, your name came up on the jump and you were a big topic of conversation. I was like, okay, Heather.

Lori (17:00.742)
yes, Heather's trying to stir, stir, stir the pot.

Kelli (17:01.118)
Yeah. yeah, Heather's like, like her pick me energy is palpable.

Wendy (17:07.916)
Yes. Yes.

Lori (17:08.017)
is yeah. Yes. Now, did you notice when they were at lunch and they were both looking at each other and twirling and looking at the outfits, there was a woman seat behind them and you could look at her face. She's just like,

Kelli (17:21.5)
I saw the picture.

Kelli (17:25.512)
the side eye she was giving Heather.

Lori (17:26.645)
Yeah, it was great. It was great.

Wendy (17:28.002)
That's so funny. That's so funny. Heather announced that Braunwyn had announced that she did all this research on her businesses and her lawsuits. And Heather said it was clear that she just wanted to annihilate you.

Kelli (17:29.972)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (17:43.016)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (17:43.275)
I just want to ask a question, because my brain's a little foggy about the last episode. I didn't think that Brahman was actually the first person who brought it up.

Kelli (17:53.938)
I thought Angie brought it up.

Lori (17:55.293)
I think someone else brought it up and she just said, well, it was in the paper and I did look at the lawsuits and blah, blah. And that's it. Right. In the Tribune. Yeah. But I don't think that she, she was the one who initially brought it up. Like you love how Heather like makes it seem like she was the one who.

Wendy (18:04.322)
It was in the Tribune to be exact. They kept saying the Tribune.

Kelli (18:04.508)
Right. The tribute. Yes. Don't get it twisted.

Wendy (18:16.866)
Well, she's the one who, she definitely pounded it at home. I mean, she was the one going in on it and dropping all the details with the detailed text messages and giving the real facts that were in the lawsuit. So whether, I honestly think whether she brought it up or not really doesn't matter because she was the one who was driving the bus for that one, right?

Kelli (18:23.774)
Right.

Kelli (18:37.3)
Yeah. Did you guys notice Lisa's eye in her confessional?

Wendy (18:42.526)
it's funny you say that. You know why it's funny you say that?

Lori (18:50.153)
I wanted to say something and Wendy's like, maybe we shouldn't talk about people's appearance. And I don't mean it in a mean way. It was just an observation.

Wendy (18:54.698)
Well, because

Kelli (18:56.644)
listen, you know, I think Lisa is one of the most beautiful housewives out there. I mean, this is why I've been a fan for so long. Okay, mainly her hair. But obviously she's a very attractive woman. So I'm not commenting on her physical appearance. Something was jacked up with that left eye.

Wendy (19:00.813)
Yeah.

Wendy (19:07.662)
Thank

Lori (19:16.843)
There you go, Kelly. I don't know if the makeup artist like did one eye and forgot to do the other. I don't know if she's, I don't know if she's in general, it appears as if she's maybe had some work done to her eyes, which God bless her. Just her eyes looked in general different. And I was telling Wendy that when I went on TikTok to look up some things about her lawsuit, I told, I,

Wendy (19:17.742)
you

Kelli (19:18.766)
I mean...

Kelli (19:24.09)
That's exactly what it looked like.

Kelli (19:43.88)
Lisa's eye.

Lori (19:46.347)
typed in Lisa Barlow and the first thing that comes up is Lisa Barlow I. I was like, it's not just me, okay? It's not just me.

Kelli (19:52.275)
Yes. No, something was going on. I thought maybe she was crying and her lash was coming off, but the makeup looked so much heavier on one eye than the other one. Maybe it was lighting. Maybe her lighting was off. Either way, those producers did her so dirty by not saying, okay, let's stop filming for a minute and you go to your glam, because you know damn well her glam was there, and you go get fixed up.

Lori (20:03.697)
on the one side. Yes, I don't know.

Lori (20:14.451)
Yes, stop filming and let's fix her eyeball.

Right there.

Kelli (20:21.854)
So those producers did her dirty.

Wendy (20:24.118)
It's so funny when Lori said that, said, I didn't actually notice it was her eye. I noticed something was off and then she, yeah, but then she showed it to me and I was like, now that's all I can see now after she showed it to me. And I was like, maybe we should, I don't like to talk about people's, maybe we shouldn't bring that up.

Kelli (20:29.363)
It was her makeup.

Kelli (20:38.336)
And again, I think she's one of the most beautiful housewives we have, but that's something.

Wendy (20:43.914)
No, I totally agree. I also said maybe remember with Riverside, remember the one time I hit the button for eye tracking and like maybe there was a button, maybe there was a button somebody pushed. Only on one side.

Kelli (20:52.925)
my God. They were bulging out of our heads.

Lori (20:54.121)
I am just so weird.

Kelli (21:00.614)
Only on one side of her face.

Lori (21:01.929)
Only one side. One eyeball.

Kelli (21:05.744)
It definitely looked like the one lash was peeling off, but the makeup looked so much heavier on that eye. I can't stand wearing false eyelashes. I feel like there's bugs crawling on my eyes.

Lori (21:15.561)
your eyes. Well all I have written down is Lisa confessional something is weird.

Wendy (21:16.737)
All right, so we.

Wendy (21:22.434)
Hahaha!

Lori (21:24.015)
know what it was. And then as I started watching, was like, it's eyes.

Kelli (21:25.949)
Her other confessional was perfect, by the way.

It was definitely the eye.

Wendy (21:33.9)
gosh, and we're probably going to have this confessional look in more than one episode is what the problem is going to be, right? gosh.

Kelli (21:37.05)
I know, for sure. Yeah. How about when she said it's all bullshit, nobody sues the bottom, they sue the top?

Wendy (21:45.644)
my God, I gave her that, that was like the quote until, until the, the gout dick. I mean, that was the quote of the episode. Lisa's quote was no one sues the bottom, bitch, they all go for the top. That was going to be the episode name until gout dick came out. Suck a gout dick. mean.

Kelli (21:50.004)
You

Lori (21:51.797)
Bye!

Kelli (21:55.859)
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah.

Lori (22:00.211)
My quote was, I live a very different life than all of you. Everyone knows I do big things.

Kelli (22:06.484)
about that.

Wendy (22:08.78)
Right. yes. Yup. mean...

Kelli (22:09.758)
How about that? And good for Heather. She's like, no, you really don't.

Lori (22:14.347)
Now, now you know.

Wendy (22:15.276)
Right. Right. But in her confessionals where she really said it, you know, these are the problems with her is that she thinks that she's elitist and she makes these comments that, you know, she's better than the rest of us. You needed to say that to her face. That's what you needed to say to her face. No, she said, she said, no, no, you don't. But, you know, it was kind of like, right, right.

Kelli (22:24.627)
Yeah.

Lori (22:29.451)
Absolutely.

Kelli (22:31.604)
Well, Heather said it at the lunch though. She said it at the lunch.

Right. She didn't go into it like she did in her confessional. She's not gonna rock this Lisa boat. She's been trying to get in with Lisa since season one. That was part of the storyline in season one. That they went to college together or whatever, high school, whatever.

Lori (22:41.673)
Yeah, she did. Yeah, right.

Wendy (22:53.325)
Yeah.

Lori (22:57.535)
Whatever.

Wendy (22:59.086)
So she specifically asked, did Meredith stand up for me? And she's like, well, Meredith was Meredith. And Lisa said, silent. And she's like, well, she started to defend you. But then things got really ugly. And then Angie started piling on. So she kind of backed down. I was like, yeah, OK.

Kelli (23:16.488)
I like when Lisa starts crying and she's like, I'm fine. I'm like, that sounds like me.

Wendy (23:20.768)
Yeah, yeah, she's crying. She's like, you know, I'm fine. And she's like, well, it doesn't look like you're fine. Like, it's OK to have your feelings hurt. But she still wouldn't admit it. You know, she's like, she still wouldn't admit it.

Kelli (23:34.811)
I feel like Lisa knew this was coming out this season. I feel like Lisa knew that this was gonna be a storyline this season and was pissed. And that's why she didn't go on that first trip. Like, I think she really had to like, embrace this. Like, really like acknowledge, like, fuck, this is, you know, this is gonna be, this is gonna be it this season. They're gonna bring all my shit out.

Wendy (24:00.334)
Well, I guess I think that you're right. I mean, because we do see at the end, like the upcoming episode, she's got like a storyboard where she's explaining it. mean, mean, I mean, who does who does a storyboard like that with like an easel?

Kelli (24:08.85)
Yes, that's exactly what I have written down.

Lori (24:13.813)
But didn't that Karen, didn't that Karen Uygur do the same kind of thing?

Wendy (24:19.7)
well, Karen Uygur, she had her little meeting with her PR assistant. Remember that? When Giselle showed up.

Kelli (24:19.805)
Probably.

Kelli (24:27.282)
Yeah.

Lori (24:28.917)
But didn't she do something on like on a board or something?

Kelli (24:32.286)
Well, Kenya did. Kenya did, but.

Wendy (24:33.92)
Yeah, I don't think...

Lori (24:34.239)
I thought I saw a social media post where someone said that somebody else did like a whole little whiteboard thing to explain their goings on.

Wendy (24:44.366)
And it wasn't even Karen, it was her husband, right? The whole Karen Uygur thing. I don't know. We'll have to wait and see what happens, but I definitely think she knew something was coming for sure, right? Then we see Whitney and Bronwyn, they meet up at the mountain. Whitney's snowboarding and Bronwyn is skiing. They have a little chat about what happened on the trip and Bronwyn thought that her...

Lori (24:48.179)
Yeah, maybe that was it. Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (24:58.131)
Yes.

Wendy (25:11.342)
Actually, Whitney said, you and Heather were getting along while you were kayaking, but then the next morning, it seemed to go awry. And she's like, I feel like we take one step forward and two steps back. So she's like, you guys need to talk, which I do agree that they definitely do need to talk, which they do finally do later on in the episode. She thanks Whitney for sticking up for her. I will say, mean,

Last season, was a little like, I don't know about Bronwyn, especially considering she came in as Lisa's friend. And Lisa totally like threw her under the bus. She really

Kelli (25:48.863)
She did. And I have a feeling it's because Gwen's father's family, they must have money. They must be somebody. Yeah. So, so Brahman's your friend, but you'll basically effort over because you'd rather be with these people who are, you know, wealthy and to do.

Wendy (25:56.55)
they definitely have money. They definitely have money.

Wendy (26:11.405)
Yeah.

Lori (26:12.139)
course, it's all about the social standing. It's all about, listen, don't forget, Lisa does big things and she does them with big people. So you best be big.

Kelli (26:15.058)
Yeah, exactly.

Wendy (26:15.072)
Yeah.

Kelli (26:23.696)
Exactly. Right.

Wendy (26:23.96)
Hmm. Yeah, she, yeah, she does. She does. I will say that I thought Bronwyn really held her own this whole episode. Every interaction with Lisa, she did. She really did. She really did. I was, yes, she really, she knew her facts. She knew her facts. She articulated.

Kelli (26:35.924)
She ate Lisa up.

Lori (26:38.517)
She ate her.

She's She's...

Kelli (26:44.158)
That was no match. She's a very smart girl.

Lori (26:48.799)
She's at Virgo.

Wendy (26:50.88)
She, is that what it is? She articulated it perfectly and Lisa didn't even know what to do. Like she actually shut her down and I give her props. I give her props for that. I do, I really do.

Lori (26:52.277)
She's a Virgo.

Kelli (26:57.288)
No. Yep.

Lori (27:00.009)
It was great.

Kelli (27:03.718)
Mm-hmm. Quick on her feet.

Lori (27:04.915)
I am not a Lisa fan, so I was very pleased. I'm not a Lisa fan at all. And let me preface this. I won't say I'm not a Lisa Barlow fan. I'm not a fan of the character Lisa Barlow from Salt Lake City Housewives. Yes, exactly that.

Kelli (27:09.673)
Yeah.

Kelli (27:19.406)
Mm, plays on TV.

Wendy (27:23.124)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (27:24.52)
Right, I get it. Lisa's behavior is making me actually like Meredith more. And may I say, Seth had me laughing out loud this episode. He is fucking funny.

Lori (27:36.856)
with the, with the ivy wall, with the drinks coming out. I'm kind

Wendy (27:41.375)
no, no, I got that one. That was another good quote too. That's it, I got that's another good quote, the champagne glory hole.

Kelli (27:42.324)
Champagne glory hole the champagne glory hole. My god, he was fucking cracking me up. What about when they were watching the ducks with the swans? What did he see says I'm there too

Lori (27:44.873)
Yeah. Champagne, glory hall.

Wendy (27:50.52)
Yep.

Yep. Yep. Yeah, no, he had very little interaction, but it was good. Everything we got from Seth was, yes, yes.

Lori (28:01.983)
When he did. Yeah. Yeah. It was on point.

Kelli (28:02.226)
very funny.

Kelli (28:06.548)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (28:07.374)
So Bronwyn again, while she's talking to Whitney brings up, know, some about the lawsuits, about the text messages and about her response to them is that I didn't, it's not that she didn't owe the money, it's that it was such a long time ago. And then we see the actual text messages where, you know, she's saying that I don't want John to know about this and it's for a personal American express bill.

Kelli (28:33.576)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (28:37.186)
I mean, that's damaging. You could say that's business all you want, but that's damaging. That's damaging.

Kelli (28:38.999)
my god.

Lori (28:40.971)
Right. Well, I did a little research and again, this is just what other people are saying. So all alleged blah, blah, blah. So this Carlson guy owns this Yukon construction. So he agreed in 2010 to let Lisa borrow $171,000 between 2010, 2011.

Kelli (28:42.1)
for sure.

Wendy (28:46.56)
Okay.

Lori (29:11.179)
And he agreed not to have a specified repayment date because they were frauds. So then in between 2010 and 2015, he loaned her another $87,000. The Amex comes in between 2011 and 2017. It was $119,000 got put on it. And then he paid $215,000.

Kelli (29:19.838)
sucker.

Lori (29:41.707)
Oh, no, no. Thirty-two thousand dollars in 2015 to pay off her rover. And some of the loans were done through an attorney and that's where the whole thing with John not knowing comes into play. Because some of the things were done through an attorney. Some of the loans were little, you know, sidesteps.

Kelli (30:03.956)
That's a little crazy. That's a little crazy.

Wendy (30:07.33)
mean, it's a little crazy. I mean, if someone's paying off your American Express card and John's running your... So, supposedly John's running the Vita Tequila, how can he not know that someone's paying off her Amex or paying off her Land Rover for that matter? Right. Whether there's an attorney or not involved, how does he not know how that's happening?

Kelli (30:24.052)
Her car, exactly. How does your husband not know that somebody paid off your car $200,000?

Lori (30:28.203)
Well...

Wendy (30:34.976)
It's not like he's not paying attention.

Lori (30:35.455)
Well, maybe, know, listen, right, but she has she has her own housewives thing. Maybe she told them, you know, I saved up and I paid it off. You know what I mean? It's listen, it's not like it's not like the three of us were, you know what I mean? Five hundred, five hundred dollars. Right. Five hundred dollars goes missing around here. And we're like fucking pulling everybody's pants down. Like, where is it?

Kelli (30:43.582)
This is when I'm getting paid.

Wendy (30:47.99)
Yeah,

Kelli (30:49.437)
You know.

Right. Everybody knows where the money's going every month.

Wendy (30:53.56)
We're robbing Peter to pay Paul over here.

Kelli (31:01.278)
The fuck?

Lori (31:05.588)
Okay, it's not like that there. It's not like that there.

Kelli (31:06.42)
Yeah, I guess when you have that much money, like what's 200 grand to pay off a car?

Wendy (31:12.876)
Right. I guess. guess. And then we see Whitney said that the mystery man that Angie talks about. last year at the reunion, there was a Twitter or an ex post where she said, my lips are as full as my life. Thanks to my doctor, who I pay with my own Amex card, not a Park City mystery man, unlike

Lori (31:15.573)
So yeah.

Wendy (31:41.866)
Lisa's G wagon. My lips can't get repo'd. I'm not your bestie in prison so I'm not interested in a gangbang but it's cute. You two had to team up night." So I don't even remember this at the end. I don't remember this whole thing at the reunion and it was just at the... It was Angie that tweeted that but Braun went, it was Angie that tweeted that. Yeah.

Lori (31:58.441)
No, don't remember that either.

Kelli (32:00.789)
Brahman said that,

Kelli (32:05.81)
Lori (32:07.349)
It was Angie that created it.

Kelli (32:09.15)
But Brahman said something at the reunion, I thought, about the guy paying off her Amex or something.

Wendy (32:15.03)
Well, Angie tweeted it. so, you know, we find out, I guess, might as well bring it up. We find out later in the party, like the reason Angie is so mad at Lisa is because, actually Bronwyn says the reason she's so mad at Lisa is because after the reunion, we squashed everything and then she kept coming for me on Twitter. And you can see like Angie was going for Lisa on Twitter. I don't, first of all,

Kelli (32:37.523)
Yeah.

Kelli (32:42.654)
By the way, Lisa compared Bronwyn to Jensha in a comment. So I'm sorry, somebody comparing you to Jensha is just hit for tat.

Wendy (32:46.478)
Right, right. Exactly. Exactly.

Lori (32:47.199)
Yes, she did. We talked about that from the last episode.

Wendy (32:53.802)
Exactly. I think the problem is for us, we have a Twitter account. We don't ever go on it. Although all of our podcasts go to it automatically because I set it up to go to Twitter.

Lori (33:02.963)
I don't know.

Kelli (33:08.074)
I wonder if people like us on there. We should probably check that out.

Lori (33:09.7)
We have no idea. We should look.

Wendy (33:11.758)
can check it out because like I said, do have a Twitter account but we don't go on it and I don't read the Twitter stuff. So maybe we need to go check out Twitter because that seems to be where all these wars are going on in Salt Lake City. I know, like why can't they do this on Instagram? I'm sorry, like can you just bring it back to Instagram please? Yeah.

Lori (33:21.205)
Maybe we do.

Kelli (33:23.572)
Still, I can't believe it's still a thing.

Kelli (33:28.646)
I know! Bring it back to Insta.

Lori (33:31.893)
So I have a question. I have a question for you two. And then if you want, it could be for the audience or we could ask another question, whatever you want. Do you feel that Braun One is being retaliatory?

Wendy (33:45.612)
That's a great question. I think she knows who her opponent is and she knows who she's dealing with. So like she said, she's playing at her level. I think she's playing at her level. So you can call that retaliatory, but I think she's playing at her level, like she said. Yep, I do too.

Lori (33:55.787)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (34:03.986)
I think she's matching Lisa's energy. And I think that Lisa has done this for long enough where like people like Whitney and I like Whitney. She's not annoying me nearly as much as she did last season. I like Whitney, she's, and she's a smart girl, but she's no match for Lisa. I think Bronwyn is a good match for Lisa, a better match than Lisa. And she's matching her energy.

Wendy (34:09.784)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (34:21.944)
no, she's not as smart as Bronwyn. Nope.

Lori (34:30.959)
I think she's way smarter than Lisa. Way smarter than Lisa. No, way smarter. Way smarter.

Kelli (34:33.086)
She's way smarter than Lisa. I don't care how many businesses Lisa has.

Wendy (34:36.642)
Yes, I totally agree. I totally agree with you. And I would like for our audience to put that in the comments too. Let us know what you think. Like, what do you think about this whole situation?

Kelli (34:39.572)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (34:46.364)
Yeah, is she being retaliatory or is she just matching her energy?

Lori (34:49.227)
Actually not. Yeah.

Wendy (34:50.454)
Yeah, I think she is. The next kind of scene we see is Mary and Robert Jr. They're at her house, very hard to watch.

Lori (35:03.807)
Hard to watch, a little hard to watch.

Kelli (35:06.59)
Well, this is what I thought was interesting. When Mary was talking earlier, she said Robert Senior said to Robert Junior, we cannot babysit you. And I give him so much respect for that. And Mary says she was a helicopter mom. That is exactly what you wanna do and it's very difficult not to do it. So yeah, so now we're here.

Wendy (35:18.615)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (35:18.891)
Because that's what you want to do. That's what you want to do.

Wendy (35:26.154)
Mm-hmm. yeah, so Robert Jr. says he feels like he's at a standstill. He said he's not in a dark place, but he feels like he is still there. And Mary said, well, you have to get in front of it. You you've been living your life a certain way for a long time, so you just have to kind of reframe your mindset and your thinking and your daily plan.

And then he's like, well, it's just not what I, like, just didn't expect it like this. And she said, you have to change who you, he said, you have to change who you are as a person. goes, but the problem is I was so used to doing something. had this routine and then I went and you know, got better. And then I came back and I'm in the same place, but I don't have the same routine. And that's the problem. That's the problem with recovery.

Lori (36:15.595)
and have the same routine, no.

Wendy (36:21.004)
and addiction is that you have to change all of those things. People.

Lori (36:25.333)
You have to change everything.

Kelli (36:25.876)
Well, you're in a rehab and you're in a safe place and you're, you with other people who are like-minded and doing the same things and not doing the same things. And then you go home and you have to like reacclimate. It's very difficult.

Wendy (36:28.823)
Right.

Wendy (36:41.834)
It's very difficult. And that's why people relapse so many times, because once you get out, you're not in that safe environment. And the only thing you know is what you know, which is a bad place for you to be. So he admits to her that, you know, he's, he's, you know, doing things that he's not proud of. And first he says, you know, you know, he's isolating a lot and

Lori (36:45.791)
you

Wendy (37:09.378)
He's not eating healthy and he's doing drugs. And you could see the look on Mary's face. I mean, honestly, as soon as I saw him, I said, he's.

Lori (37:16.725)
Mm-hmm.

yes, that was gonna be my other possible question. Like, who knew the second he walked in the door, was high?

Wendy (37:23.81)
As soon as you saw him, I knew.

Kelli (37:28.574)
Yeah.

Wendy (37:29.964)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (37:32.212)
She said that she was always a helicopter mom and maybe that drove him to get where he got. Again, back to that mom guilt. Like, we just feel like we can't do anything right. But it's taught her to back off. She's such a good mom and it seems like he really loves and respects her.

Lori (37:42.923)
Yep, that's just how it goes.

Wendy (37:43.511)
Right.

Yeah.

Wendy (37:51.586)
He does. He really does.

Lori (37:52.137)
Or listen, if you could come on national television and talk to your mother and tell her things like that that he says, there's a, you know, God bless that he, that he can, that he has that with her, that he can, you know, speak to her like that. And, and God bless her that she can respond the way that she does. I can see in those moments like that, how she could be.

Kelli (38:06.312)
He's got a good heart. Yeah.

Kelli (38:15.572)
right.

Lori (38:21.947)
really good in her church. Because you you really have to be able to really listen to somebody. And it's very difficult not to say something when you feel like you have to, but you know better and you don't. And it was more what Mary didn't say in that conversation than what she did say.

Kelli (38:24.572)
Yeah, yes.

Kelli (38:46.504)
Yeah, you're right.

Wendy (38:48.396)
And, but that's the whole thing, right? mean, that's the point that she's also trying to let people know is that she's not gonna always be there and he has to make these changes. she can't, she has to step away. She has to, I mean, as hard as it is, it is the hardest thing you ever have done. Like you have to let them fall if it's gonna happen, even though you don't want to, because there's gonna be a point.

Lori (38:59.083)
you

Wendy (39:17.098)
where you're not gonna be there. And if they don't have the strength to figure it out now when you're there to support them, it's never gonna happen. It's the hardest thing. And I'm glad that they're talking about it. I know that last season people criticized her for talking about it. They said that it wasn't right that he, he's an adult. He has made this decision. He made this decision again this season to talk about it. I also do wanna mention that just,

Lori (39:18.507)
You're not going to be there. Yeah.

Kelli (39:39.059)
Yeah.

Lori (39:39.488)
Right.

Wendy (39:46.53)
very recently, like within the last few weeks, he was arrested.

Lori (39:50.141)
Yes, I saw that poor baby.

Kelli (39:51.077)
he was?

Wendy (39:52.266)
He was arrested. He was breaking into his girlfriend's house and he was resisting arrest.

Lori (40:00.393)
I'm sure it was a situation where he was really upset and he wanted to see her and her parents were like, no, you're not seeing her because maybe hopefully she's in recovery too and they know it's not good. And he just lost his shit and was like, no, I have to see her. When you're going through something like that, you do things that aren't, yeah.

Kelli (40:01.013)
I'm sorry to hear that.

Wendy (40:04.962)
Yes.

Wendy (40:19.979)
Right, right, you're right.

Kelli (40:22.598)
I'm sorry to hear that. didn't know that.

Wendy (40:24.788)
Yeah, no, I'm very sorry to hear that, but I'm happy that he has his mom because she's going to be there for him. You know, she's going to support him. You know, he has to do it though. She can't do it. And that's the hardest thing is that he has to do it. So maybe hopefully by the reunion, we'll have some better news for Mary. She said, you know, we're fighters. And I agree. I mean, I definitely think she's a fighter.

Kelli (40:46.932)
Yeah.

Wendy (40:54.371)
And her exact words were, can't save anyone who doesn't want to be saved. You can only save yourself. And it is so, so true.

Lori (41:02.731)
That's it right there.

Wendy (41:04.502)
Yep. The next thing we see is Heather and Bronwyn meet up to see if they can move forward. The two of them sitting there together at the table awkwardly was very strange. They're just looking at each other and Bronwyn's like, we can order. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they needed to have a drink.

Kelli (41:19.252)
You're like, we drink? Let's drink. Let's order a drink.

Lori (41:21.003)
Yeah, that's fine. I just have a minute.

Kelli (41:25.138)
Hell yeah, I needed a drink watching the scene.

Lori (41:25.493)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (41:27.425)
Yeah.

Wendy (41:32.118)
So Braunwyn asks Heather what's going on with her. She said, Ashley's flying in from Santa Barbara and she's going to be visiting with Annabelle before she gets ready. She's got all these acceptance letters before she gets ready to leave. And Heather's really exhausted and looking forward to her graduating. And Braunwyn said, well, you said that the other day and I just wanted to clear that up. I was trying to be supportive of you. And she explains what she was saying that I felt like I

wanted to be more of a less hands-on mom, but that's not who I was. I was like almost like a helicopter mom. Like I was, you know, right there. And I wasn't trying to shame you in any way. And Heather said, well, I felt that you were trying to show that you were like understanding, but you needed to define that you were a different mother than I was.

Kelli (42:20.488)
Did you guys get that? Like I totally understood what Bronwyn was saying.

Lori (42:23.839)
I totally understood what Brom was saying. I think Heather's just very jaded about it so that she just automatically took it the wrong way because she's just in that whole defending Lisa sphere and just...

Kelli (42:30.653)
Yeah.

Think Sprawlman's coming from a not nice place.

Kelli (42:40.488)
Lisa. Yeah, I agree. Yeah.

Wendy (42:42.666)
Right. I agree with that. I totally agree with that. I mean, I completely understood what Bronwyn was saying, but when Heather expressed, God bless you, when Heather expressed what her feelings were, I think is exactly what Lori said. It's just that she's so used to being like defensive because of Lisa. God bless you. It's allergy season. It's allergy season.

Kelli (42:49.044)
Excuse me. Thank you.

Lori (42:50.175)
Bless you.

Kelli (43:01.012)
Sorry, excuse me. my god, so bad.

Lori (43:02.795)
Last year again.

Wendy (43:10.38)
And Bronwyn apologized. mean, she's like, I'm sorry it came out that way. Like that's not, you know, that's not what I wanted. You know, I was trying to empathize. So Heather said, well, this is the kind of convo I would have liked to have at the campfire. And Bronwyn was like, well, sometimes when I talk to you and it doesn't land right, then I just shut down. And I definitely see that that's what happens with Bronwyn. know, she does try to, yeah. And because she's like, like I don't want to make this worse. Maybe I'll just like shut it down.

Lori (43:29.259)
She's even said that herself.

Kelli (43:29.97)
Yeah, she does. She does shut down.

Wendy (43:40.29)
But then Heather's like, well, you you get into the word salad a lot. I have to agree. I totally think that was a dig. that just means she's smarter than you and you don't know what the F she's saying. That's what that means. I mean, that's how I take that, right?

Kelli (43:50.502)
Exactly. Yes. Yes.

Lori (43:50.758)
Absolutely.

So I watched Watch What Happens Live and they did a poll for the audience and it said, who was guilty of word salad? 57 % said Lisa. So there you go.

Wendy (43:57.57)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (43:57.576)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (44:09.512)
Yeah.

There you go. Yep.

Wendy (44:12.364)
Yeah. Lisa does say a whole lot of nothing.

Lori (44:17.332)
a whole lot

Wendy (44:20.194)
But then after they get through that, Heather's like, listen, I have to ask you, like, why would you dump all that data about Lisa, like, and her business? I thought you guys, you know, wanted to be close. And she's like, yeah, I thought we were close at the reunion. And then all of a sudden she started attacking me on Twitter. And the things that she was writing about her on Twitter were horrible.

Lori (44:39.979)
No, not nice.

Wendy (44:41.838)
I don't understand that. seriously don't understand when grown women go on a social media platform or a public platform like that and talk about other grown women. Like it is so sophomoric.

Kelli (44:53.608)
and then think it's not gonna come up. Like you're filming a show together. Everything you write and say is going to come up.

Lori (44:53.737)
No.

Lori (45:03.253)
So again, how much is that really what's going on and how much is production? If there's no fight, there's no show, according to Bravo.

Kelli (45:07.89)
Right. Right.

Well, these two just need to not talk about Lisa. Like keep Lisa out of your friendship.

Wendy (45:17.258)
I agree. agree. Because, mean, Bronwyn even says that, like, I feel like your opinion of me is jaded based on how Lisa feels about me. And I agree with her. I totally agree with her.

Kelli (45:27.668)
100%. Sure. Yep.

Lori (45:27.719)
Yes. Yes.

Wendy (45:33.782)
So they cheers, they agree to cheers, whatever. Next we're at Amy's Saturday Social. How does it get named as Saturday Social? Does that mean it's during the day? Because otherwise, otherwise I feel like it would have been like a gala. The way that they presented it with the champagne glory hole and the fanciness, right? I mean, didn't it seem more like a gala than a Saturday Social?

Kelli (45:44.5)
I believe so. Yes, it's... yeah.

Lori (45:44.627)
It must be a Mormon thing.

Kelli (45:56.405)
Classic Seth, classic Seth. So good.

I think we're like what Laurie said, it's probably a Mormon thing. We'll have to look that up. You know, just like a sip and see is more of like a Southern thing. You know, we don't have them here. I mean, maybe some people do, but we didn't, you know.

Wendy (46:05.825)
Okay.

Lori (46:06.537)
thing.

Wendy (46:08.566)
Yeah. Yes. A Southern thing, right? Right. So that could be what it was.

Lori (46:12.381)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (46:19.788)
So everyone arrives at Amy's Saturday social. Lisa and John are of course the last to arrive. And as soon as they get there, Meredith runs over to Lisa and, you missed our crazy trip. Lisa says, yeah, I know I had lunch with Heather and she was catching me up. Was there anything else that I should know about? And Meredith's like, well, there was a lot said. It wasn't nice, but you need to talk to everybody.

And then all of a sudden, Brittany like, like buds in like totally. Yeah. Like she does. Yeah. And I don't know if you noticed this, but when Brittany, you know, interrupted under her name, it said Heather's friend. And well, it doesn't always say that when she came in with Jared, it said Brittany's friend under Jared.

Kelli (46:53.758)
Guys!

Lori (46:54.161)
That's how Brittany does.

Kelli (47:04.466)
Yes, it did. I think it always says that.

Wendy (47:16.372)
Not ex-fiance, like it does later in the episode. When she first walked in with him, it said, Britney's friend. I was like, It says Britney's ex-fiance. When he was out and the men were questioning him, it said Britney's ex- I don't know.

Kelli (47:24.232)
And then later in the episode it said Britney's ex-fiance.

Kelli (47:30.428)
It's probably who's ever editing that scene. They probably just type in what they want that person to be referred to. You know what I mean?

Wendy (47:37.418)
Yeah, it could be, but come on. I would like some continuity here. I mean, if I notice it, right? So Brittany's like, you know, Lisa, Bronwyn was pulling facts out of the air and Lisa said, well, what did Angie have to say? Well, Angie compared you to Jen Shaw. then Lisa's like, that's crazy. She's like a psycho criminal. Like she called me a criminal. And like you said,

Kelli (47:40.828)
Yeah, continuity is pretty important on these shows. Right, right.

Wendy (48:07.082)
She said the

Kelli (48:10.546)
Right, was Angie she was talking about or Brahman? Right, Brahman. She called her a snake, right?

Lori (48:11.435)
No, she said the exact same thing about Brahman, right?

She compared her to Jen? Sure. So, so somebody does it to you and now it's this horrific thing, but when you did it, it was okay? Come on. Stop it.

Kelli (48:19.102)
Yeah, she compared her Jen Schaaf.

Kelli (48:25.692)
Right. Right.

Wendy (48:28.354)
Yeah, exactly. So then Bronwyn tells Angie that Brittany told Lisa about you comparing her to Jen Shaw while they're having the conversation over there. So Lisa walks over, because she's going to address it, and she's standing next to Mary, and she gives Mary a hug and says, you know, how are you? And Lisa says to Angie, like, I think we need to have a chat.

Lori (48:30.571)
Stop it.

Wendy (48:55.254)
And Whitney standing right next to her, but Whitney's not saying anything. She's just kind of standing there like watching the whole conversation. And Lisa starts out like, I heard there was conversations while I was gone. And she said, yeah, well, what did Britney tell you so I can undo the mess? And Lisa said, well, what do you want to tell me? She's like, I'll tell you that the lawsuit was brought up. now Bronwyn sees what's going on. So she comes over and walks over and says, listen, Lisa, you don't have a problem with Angie. She's telling you what I said.

If you have a problem with me, let's hash it out. But Lisa doesn't want to talk to Bronwyn. She doesn't want talk to her.

Kelli (49:30.184)
No, she totally dismissed her and then she starts saying, you're loitering. You're at a party. Yes, she dismisses her, she says you're dismissed and then she says you're loitering. You're at a party at someone else's home.

Wendy (49:35.414)
She actually said you're dismissed. Yeah. Yep.

Lori (49:37.141)
She's crazy.

Lori (49:43.317)
Look at her, she's loitering. You're crazy.

Wendy (49:46.943)
Lisa says, has nothing to do with you. Brodwin's like, yes, it does. I'm the one who brought it up. She's like, you're upset with me, not Angie. Lisa says, I don't want to talk to you. I don't like you. What? what are we five? Are we freaking five? I don't like you. I don't like you. And then Meredith jumps in. This is really, this is when I got so aggravated with Meredith. Meredith jumps in and says, Brodwin, I think this is not great timing. What?

Lori (50:00.05)
We're on the playground. We are on the playground. We are on the playground.

Kelli (50:00.327)
Exactly! On the playground.

Lori (50:06.271)
many many haha

Kelli (50:08.453)
Exactly.

Wendy (50:15.138)
Meredith? No, what you're saying is not great, Tommy, because Bronwyn is a part of this, and she needs to hash it out with Lisa. She doesn't need to bring Angie into this.

And meanwhile, like in the middle of the party, this is like this yelling and screaming and you could see everyone's face. They're like, what is going on?

Kelli (50:34.036)
They're like, what happened to our Saturday social?

Wendy (50:36.756)
I know who invited these bitches. And then in the other room, it's Seth, Justin, Sean, and John and Jared. And then Seth says to Jared, are you in love with Brittany? And that's where it says, Brittany's ex fiance.

Lori (50:37.643)
It got unsocial.

Kelli (50:39.038)
Who invited these women? Animals.

Kelli (50:54.216)
And he can't even really answer it. He literally can't even answer it.

Wendy (50:55.926)
Well, he does say I love her. I'm in love with her. He is a turd. He is a turd.

Lori (50:58.965)
Cause he's a turd. He's a turd. It's just a turd floating in the toilet.

Kelli (51:04.296)
I forgot his name. I wrote, Seth is asking, I don't even remember his name.

Wendy (51:05.922)
Jared.

Lori (51:09.875)
Hehehehehe

Kelli (51:12.276)
you

Wendy (51:14.385)
Meanwhile, back in the other room, Lisa says, have zero interest in talking to you, meaning Bronwyn. Bronwyn says, you talked to everybody about me and now you don't want to talk about me because I said things about you that should make people question and pause. And Lisa says, have a question about you, gout dick sucker. I was like, what?

Kelli (51:37.076)
I have, did Lisa call Brahman a gout dick sucker? And Whitney says, I thought gout was in the feet.

Lori (51:37.407)
again.

Wendy (51:40.224)
Right.

Yeah. And then Bronwyn said, I'm a dick sucker now. And she, Lisa said a gout, dick sucker. Like she doubled down on it. Like, what? It is so weird.

Kelli (51:53.844)
That's so weird.

Lori (51:55.947)
It's playground material. It's playground material.

Kelli (52:01.139)
And Brahman said, at least it's my husband and he's paying for my clothes. Who's paying for your Amex bill? Check that.

Wendy (52:04.791)
Yes.

Wendy (52:09.612)
Yeah, yeah. Bronwyn even said, I'm telling people about public records now I'm a dick sucker. Like, I mean, honestly Bronwyn was doubling down on the dick sucker too. She's like, all right. She didn't give it the gout dick sucker, but she kept giving it a dick sucker. She's like, all right, I'm a dick sucker. You know?

Lori (52:12.244)
is good.

Lori (52:21.044)
she was.

Kelli (52:27.976)
Well, and what she said, like, we all know people like this. You say something to them in jest five years ago, and then you start fighting with them and they throw it back in your face. We all know people like that.

Wendy (52:34.552)
Yeah.

Lori (52:34.73)
Right.

and they start throwing back. Right, absolutely.

Wendy (52:38.638)
Well, because Lisa said, you're a dick sucker. No, you were a dick sucker. You are because you have nice clothes. Uh, okay. So, and I even like when Braun went in her confessionals, like my American express bill comes in a box. It's not even an envelope. Like I need to distract them. You do what you got to do, girl. But at least my husband's paying it.

Kelli (52:55.442)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Lori (53:00.383)
Do what you gotta do.

Kelli (53:03.961)
Exactly. nope. Listen, Bronwyn completely held her own. She asked Lisa, is Jon now aware?

Lori (53:04.405)
Right. Yeah.

Most definitely.

Wendy (53:11.244)
Yeah, yep. I mean, she, and then Lisa's pointing a finger in her face because she's not getting her way. And Bron's like, don't you ever point your finger in my face? And like, then Lisa says, you're disgusting. You're such a pig. I'm going to create a website and post all your lies. You just said that? You just said that. Okay. She says, you're going to start a negative online campaign. We know you love to do that. So you've done that already. So.

Lori (53:31.199)
What?

Wendy (53:41.228)
Like, what are you doing? I cannot.

Kelli (53:43.41)
And the best was when she goes, that's not gonna pay those lawsuits, Lisa. Cash, cash will pay those lawsuits. That was excellent.

Wendy (53:49.25)
That was the best. That was the best.

Lori (53:52.622)
It was, was, you know, I complain about the fighting.

Kelli (53:53.396)
And Lisa's like, she's a lawyer now, she's a lawyer. You don't need to be a lawyer to read a pleading.

Wendy (53:59.02)
Right, mean, even earlier Lisa said, I mean, she's not a lawyer, she didn't go to law school. I don't even think she went to college. I don't care, bitch, she's way smarter than you. I mean, I was so there for that. That was...

Lori (53:59.113)
Right, absolutely.

Kelli (54:08.196)
Exactly. She's burying you right now. Burying you.

Lori (54:09.439)
Way smarter.

Kelli (54:15.447)
Me too.

Lori (54:15.519)
Yeah, I don't enjoy the fighting, but I must say, like I said, I'm not a fan of the character of Lisa Barlow, and I did enjoy watching Bronwyn. It's a slice and dice.

Kelli (54:30.238)
because she never loses her temper. Excuse me. She never lost her temper that whole time. I feel like last year she was teetering, she kind of, but she had to get her bearings and that's okay. But she never lost her temper in this and she was so articulate and she was so good. And Lisa was just flailing.

Wendy (54:34.945)
Yeah.

Wendy (54:50.83)
She was so good. She was so good. And Lisa was flailing. And you know what? The whole, I don't like fighting either. And I've said this many times. I like to have fun. But if it's going to be a fight, I want it to be a good verbal lashing. And I want it to be with the people who it needs to be with. Angie didn't need to be a part of that. And the fact that Bronwyn went in there and like, listen, what are you doing? Angie's not a part of this.

Lori (54:51.285)
She was good.

Yes, like a fish.

Kelli (54:56.532)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (55:10.227)
Right. Right.

Wendy (55:19.83)
And you just repeat it what I said. If you want to yell at somebody, yell at me. I love that. That's accountability. That's accountability.

Kelli (55:24.084)
And it didn't get too dark. Like nobody brought anybody's kids into it. Nobody's accusing anybody's husband of cheating on them. You know what I mean? Like it didn't get so dark like other franchises have been lately. Like OC, like it's just getting, you know.

Wendy (55:41.87)
I mean, you just got sophomoric to be honest with you with the dick sucking. mean, come on. But honestly, you know, this is the franchise that we got high body count hair, which again, I'm here for. I'm so here for it. where else are we? Me neither. I never heard of a gout dick sucker either.

Lori (55:45.163)
Yes, with the tics that we was just...

Kelli (55:46.416)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (55:54.269)
I had never heard that term before, but I have for sure used it since.

Lori (56:00.714)
Nope.

Wendy (56:02.88)
Exactly, exactly. This is what we like about Salt Lake City. Look at what we get from them. I mean, these are great lines. These are great lines.

Lori (56:03.455)
Yes, yes.

Kelli (56:11.132)
I mean, I can't wait for next week at least a storyboard. I mean, who doesn't love a storyboard?

Wendy (56:14.25)
I can't either! With her picture!

Lori (56:14.431)
Yeah, I started with, yeah. And we get great, right, and we get great things from Mary all the time too. Yeah, so you do get some good stuff. So I wanted to let you know on Watch What Happens Live during the poll, 85 % of the online audience was on Bronwen's side. 71 %...

Wendy (56:21.625)
my God. Yeah.

Kelli (56:21.755)
all the time.

Lori (56:44.235)
thought that she was not trying to annihilate Lisa. Like I said, 57 % said Lisa is the one most guilty of word salad. When asked about Brahman's audience, this was interesting, 74 % thought that her outfit was couture and not costume, but Christian Siriano was sitting in the audience. So I don't know, how you gonna, Anna, so what are you gonna?

Wendy (57:11.008)
And he designed it and she bought it and paid for it. It was not gifted to her.

Lori (57:13.843)
Yeah, so what are you going to say?

Kelli (57:16.18)
Right. I thought that was couture though. I didn't think it was costumey.

Lori (57:21.405)
Yeah. And when Bronwyn asked, who the scariest outfit? And she said, well, Britney's business special bikini was pretty scary. And who was she nervous about meeting at BravoCon? And she said any of the Atlanta girls.

Wendy (57:21.431)
I thought it was Couture.

Kelli (57:39.845)
Hehehehehe

Wendy (57:49.174)
Kelli (57:49.662)
Really?

Lori (57:50.463)
Yeah, any of the Atlanta girls that's a promise said, she said, I don't think my shade is quite up to par for them. And then they did, yeah, they were doing like the contest for who had the best housewife insult. And Dorinda won with their Holland tunnel comment. Yeah, so it was, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was good. It was good.

Kelli (57:57.497)
okay. She smoothed that out.

Kelli (58:15.329)
yeah, put an easy pass thing on that. Put an easy pass on that thing.

Lori (58:20.745)
Yeah. Yeah. With your Holland tunnel. Yeah.

Kelli (58:23.184)
And Margaret Joseph's, your mouth looks like a monkey's asshole came in second, right?

Lori (58:27.251)
Yes, that was on there. And I forget what the other ones were, but Dorinda did one.

Wendy (58:28.256)
Yes, that's a classic. That is a classic.

Kelli (58:31.067)
So classic.

Kelli (58:36.304)
Yeah. Well, Braum gave her a hundred.

Wendy (58:37.652)
One of... Yeah, well that'll do it.

Lori (58:42.227)
Yes, she did give her a hundred, yes. Which I agree with.

Wendy (58:44.758)
One of the questions also, yes, I do too. One of the other questions was will Bronwyn and Heather's friendship last and the audience voted 50-50. I kind of agree with that.

Kelli (58:45.15)
But that was good. Yes.

Lori (58:55.209)
Yeah, well, I'll agree.

Kelli (58:55.636)
I thought it was a majority of no. okay. She said they're still okay though right now.

Wendy (58:59.178)
No, no, was 50-50. Yes, they are still okay. I again, I agree with the 50-50, not because of Bronwyn, but because of Heather.

Lori (59:00.383)
was 50-50, yeah.

Lori (59:11.467)
Yeah, because I've had it, right. Right.

Kelli (59:11.866)
absolutely, and her pick me, know, obsession with Lisa. Yeah.

Wendy (59:16.448)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (59:18.111)
Good, Lisa, yes.

Wendy (59:21.452)
So, I mean, I'm excited that Salt Lake City is back. I really am.

Kelli (59:24.518)
It was a great episode and I'll tell you what, Heather does look amazing. She really does. I'm happy for her. And I really hope she meets somebody. Cause this is what, season six? And we haven't seen her with anybody long-term. I'm sure she's dated. I mean, you know.

Wendy (59:29.816)
She does, she does.

Wendy (59:39.636)
No, we haven't. Well, maybe now that her daughter's going away and she has some time, like this would be the time, right?

Lori (59:39.659)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (59:44.721)
right.

Yes. Yeah.

Lori (59:47.531)
Yeah. Or maybe she'll just really want to take the time to just be herself and get herself together, you know, because when you're raising kids, you don't have time for yourself. So maybe, you know, like she said, it will be like the end of like an era that she would like to just move on from and she'll be able to, you know, move on to something else.

Kelli (59:58.494)
Yeah.

Wendy (01:00:16.824)
So just I wanted to bring up, so Dancing with the Stars also started last week and I watched the first episode. I'm in the process of the second episode. It was on last night also. But there's two Secret Lies of Mormon Wives on there. So I just want to give our listeners a little bit info on that. So Whitney is on and Jen, Jen Affleck.

Kelli (01:00:40.542)
Jen.

Wendy (01:00:42.734)
So I didn't know this about Whitney. I mean, they kind of brushed upon it on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Like she was a dancer before. She's got a degree in dance and she competed in a, what do you call it? Opposing studio to one of the professional dancers. Like she's like a professional dancer. She's like a professional dancer. And I will tell you this, the first dance that she did, she got the highest score. Her and...

Lori (01:01:04.107)
She's like a professional dancer.

Wendy (01:01:11.796)
Robert Irwin, Bindi Irwin's brother from Crocodile Hunter. Those two, they both tied. And now he's never so much as danced in his life. He is so good. I think, I'm just giving you my opinion, I think he's gonna win it all. But Whitney was very, very good, way better than Jen Affleck. But she's got so much, yes, so that's what, so tonight.

Lori (01:01:16.059)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Lori (01:01:23.647)
He's a cutie.

security.

Kelli (01:01:34.292)
But doesn't it go off of audiences' votes? Okay. I mean, she's not the most well liked, right, from what I recall? Isn't she kind of like the villain in the show, or no?

Wendy (01:01:42.08)
I will, we'll have to see what happens.

I mean, she is the villain in the show, you know, Dancing with the Stars voters are different. So they did, I started watching it. They announced that it was their biggest season premiere ever, ever. And they got double the votes this season one, this season, first episode, then they did the season prior, double the votes. Like that's how many people are watching this years. That many more people are watching.

Kelli (01:01:59.572)
Who else is on it?

Kelli (01:02:11.789)
so that many more people are watching. Got it.

Lori (01:02:13.867)
in your face.

Wendy (01:02:15.596)
that many more people watching. I mean, I will give you my little, that's okay. I'm just gonna give you every week my little update on what I know what's going on with the Mormon wives and Robert Irwin, but I'm giving Robert Irwin the win. I think he's gonna win it. I really do. And it's so.

Kelli (01:02:18.228)
Really screwing things up over here, I apologize.

Lori (01:02:25.291)
Alright.

Lori (01:02:32.457)
All right, Wendy's calling it.

Kelli (01:02:32.914)
I read something where Corey Feldman wasn't showing up for practice.

Wendy (01:02:37.006)
Corey Feldman is there. my gosh, he looks horrible. I mean, he does, he does. Andy Richter is there. I just saw his dance. my God, it was so bad. He can't even walk. Like he can barely walk. You know, I mean, he does show up. I give him an A for effort, but execution F, I'm sorry. He does, not good. Not good, not good. But anyway, I'll give you my update every week about.

Kelli (01:02:40.732)
He does?

Lori (01:02:41.077)
Yes, he does.

Lori (01:02:50.251)
Aww.

Lori (01:02:58.827)
Mm-mm.

Kelli (01:03:00.628)
That's so funny.

Wendy (01:03:05.506)
what's going on with Dancing with the Stars. And I can't think, is there anything else we wanna talk about? I think we're at we're at an hour.

Kelli (01:03:07.313)
Yeah.

Lori (01:03:15.115)
Yeah, no, we're going to be watching Special Forces. We're going to be putting out a podcast about hunting wives. So we got stuff in the works. We got stuff in the works.

Kelli (01:03:15.708)
yeah, no we can't go.

Kelli (01:03:22.44)
Yes, that starts this week.

Wendy (01:03:28.684)
Yes, yes we do. So until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please give us five star reviews and subscribe. Bye.

Kelli (01:03:30.11)
Yes, we do.

Kelli (01:03:38.45)
Bye.

Lori (01:03:39.327)
Bye.