RHORI S1 E10: Hair Pulls, Fake Friends & Boston Blowups 💥

Wendy (00:00.741)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.374)
I'm Callie.

lori (00:05.609)
And I'm Lori and I have a little public service announcement. Please forgive the appearance. Please forgive the voice. I have a sinus infection with a side of exhaustion. So I'm just gonna work through it, people.

Wendy (00:21.189)
That's what you do in your gen X. You just work through it. You don't let it stop you.

lori (00:24.807)
Just work through it. No.

Kelli (00:25.526)
That's right. That's right.

Wendy (00:28.489)
And I'm gonna do our little call to action. And please, if you haven't done so already, head over to YouTube and hit subscribe. And please give us five star reviews and follow us on all the platforms. Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, everywhere you can follow us. We are talking about real Thank you. We are talking about Real Housewives of Rhode Island season one, episode ten. Fool's Rush In. I mean, I get it because of

Kelli (00:45.038)
Thank you.

Wendy (00:58.627)
The song at the end that Rich was singing.

lori (01:01.175)
I didn't even get that. I didn't even get that. No. I I thought it yeah, I thought it was Jo Ellen rushing outside to confront Liz.

Kelli (01:02.674)
I did not get it.

Wendy (01:03.757)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (01:07.384)
Okay. Okay, now I get it.

Kelli (01:12.63)
Mm.

Wendy (01:14.071)
Yeah. So we pick up where we left off with the ladies arriving to Boston and Joel and Alicia and Liz are in the car together and they're, you know, arguing. They get out of the car. Alicia's sitting at the table and she is crying. She's trying not to. You know, she's visibly upset. She doesn't want to be. She doesn't want to make a scene. She's trying to be discreet, but her feelings are hurt.

lori (01:41.291)
You know, did you see when they first got out of the car, did you hear Liz telling Joelan to fuck off?

Kelli (01:49.026)
Yeah. Liz was acting like a complete asshole.

Wendy (01:50.168)
Yeah.

lori (01:52.128)
Like a wow, I was like, Whoa, whoa, whoa. I don't know what is in the whole scheme of things, I don't know what is going on, but I th think that it must be s more than some homeless comment because i i the acting whack.

Wendy (01:53.29)
I think mm.

Wendy (02:10.488)
I think she may have been under the influence of something. Because she

lori (02:17.252)
come on now. I believe so.

Kelli (02:19.555)
I'm gonna tell you right now. I'm gonna tell you right now, and I don't like saying this. I I think Liz is was on Coke or Coke was involved. The way she reacted, that was a very visceral reaction that was very angry. in my

lori (02:37.867)
Yeah, it was it Yeah.

Wendy (02:37.986)
And you mean co Coca Cola, right? Just so the sp you know, the just so the sensors know you're talking about Coca Cola, right? Okay. Yeah.

Kelli (02:44.521)
Yes, of course, of course. In my experience, people on that that is how they behave, react to not super crazy situations.

lori (02:44.533)
Coca-Cola, yeah.

lori (02:57.237)
Right.

Kelli (02:59.959)
Yeah. And I don't like to say that. I don't I don't like to say that.

Wendy (03:00.524)
Yeah, maybe we'll call it snow from here on out. Just just so listen, I I'm glad I'm honestly I'm glad that you said that 'cause I felt like somet and again, you know me. I I everyone doesn't know me, but you guys know me. I'm kind of naive to the whole drug thing. Like I I've not I've not been around it. I don't you know, I always assume people are good. I always I'm always looking for the butterflies and rainbows, you know what I mean? And I'm like trying to figure out like why is she acting that way?

lori (03:16.385)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (03:25.142)
Yes, yes.

Wendy (03:29.42)
And then when she had no recollection of it, I was like, wait a second, there's gotta be something else involved here. I mean, you know, it took me a while, but I did finally get there.

lori (03:40.117)
Yeah, well, you know, on social media there's been talk of so you're certainly not the only one saying this, Miss Kelly. absolutely not. Absolutely not. No.

Kelli (03:40.321)
Yeah.

Kelli (03:47.518)
okay. Well I'm glad to hear that because I don't like to say that. and I didn't see anything on social media, so I'm glad that I'm I'm glad to hear that. I'm not the only one who that.

Wendy (03:50.54)
Yeah. No.

lori (03:54.72)
Yes. There there's yeah, you are so not alone. Yeah. So not alone. Yeah.

Wendy (03:59.684)
Yeah.

So they're sitting at the table. you know, Joelyn is sitting next to Liz trying to make it better, you know, you know, putting her hand on her, touching her, which again that was just making it even worse.

lori (04:14.965)
Yeah, Jo Ellen is not, but I feel like no, and I think this all I think her whole gig and and not that I say that it's an excuse for her behavior, but her behavior is understandable to me. It I feel like it all stems from her childhood and her thing with her mother. Like I think Joel has this thing and she looks to Liz

Wendy (04:18.884)
She doesn't know how to read a room. She does not know how to read a room.

lori (04:42.823)
as like a maternal type of figure, I think that Liz means way more to her than Liz feels about Jo Allen. I just think that there's a lot there and I think that yeah and I think that for Jo Allen that being ignored or not acknowledged, especially when she's trying to be kind in any way, just

Kelli (04:53.089)
Yeah, well she s basically says it.

lori (05:10.901)
just sets her off and then she really doesn't get those boundaries and she really overextends and makes it worse.

Wendy (05:17.294)
Yeah.

Yeah. And then the next thing that happens is Ashley walks in and it's so funny of all people. I know. It's like it's Ashley, you know, I feel like honestly, I feel like I know. Right. I feel like poor Ashley. Like she walks in and she's like, I I don't know what's happening here. And then thank goodness Monique shows up and she's been friends with Rosie for a very long time and Alicia has known her for over twenty years.

Kelli (05:25.301)
Of all people to show up next, it's Ashley.

Kelli (05:31.277)
She's like, What is going on?

lori (05:32.8)
On yeah.

We're actually yeah.

lori (05:40.797)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (05:50.027)
And she's married to a former Patriots player, so she was like if sh Alicia said if she was in the car with me, none of this would have happened. So I I was

Kelli (05:58.314)
I I I believe her not even knowing who Monique is and I wish we got to say it. I wish Monique was in the car. 'Cause I thought Liz was acting horrible.

lori (06:08.535)
Horrible. And now did you see where Liz was saying, like I don't talking about Alicia, like I don't want you to go through life believing that narrative about being homeless. And I'm thinking to myself, that's your concern? Like w w shouldn't your con right. It's her narrative and shouldn't your concern be about, you know, how your longtime friend and friend of family

Wendy (06:09.006)
Yeah.

Wendy (06:27.33)
Right. It's her narrative.

lori (06:37.597)
is upset about your behavior, like shouldn't that be your concern? It just made no sense.

Wendy (06:44.898)
Yeah. So then Rich comes walking out with Rosie and they introduce him for his Sinatra Sunday and we see him sing a little bit of a song. I guess they you know they don't want to have to pay the rights so we don't see too much of his entertaining.

Kelli (06:59.659)
No. No. But I did like how he walked out with her. I thought that was cute. I'm I'm assuming that that's that's something that Sinatra did when he when he used to perform. I'm assuming. Yeah.

Wendy (07:05.047)
I do too.

Yeah, I thought that was nice.

lori (07:10.847)
Now let me ask you guys, do you think he's a good singer?

Wendy (07:15.46)
I think he's a good singer.

Kelli (07:15.721)
I don't think he sounds like Frank Sinatra, but that's okay. If he's a good entertainer, he's a good entertainer. Yeah.

Wendy (07:19.36)
No, I mean I think he's a good singer.

lori (07:23.062)
Yeah.

Wendy (07:24.182)
I was listening to Rosie on the after show and she said that did you guys watch that at all? So he he used to work in radio, Kiss one eight or something like that, and he was like the morning guy from four to nine and he was doing the background sounds and stuff, and if they couldn't find the background sounds, he would make them up and then there was one time they needed like a Sinatra thing, so he just made it up and sang it.

lori (07:30.261)
Yeah, I did. Yeah, I watched that.

Kelli (07:31.627)
I didn't have any time now.

Wendy (07:50.693)
And they listened to it on the radio and like, you sound pretty good. So then he just started doing it and then he got himself a voice coach and he started performing and doing songs. Like he doesn't like to be called a Frank Sinatra impersonator. He's just a singer and some yeah, some of the songs he sings, but he's done so well with it that it's a career. Like they fly him to places and he does like multi million dollar weddings. So yeah.

Kelli (07:55.968)
that's interesting.

lori (08:04.023)
Yeah.

Kelli (08:15.319)
Wow.

lori (08:16.371)
Yeah, I know. I was interesting. I was like, okay.

Kelli (08:18.765)
So that's his main gig? That's his main source of income?

Wendy (08:21.634)
Well, he also owns he owns real estate and he's got an like an event company like where he does do DJing and she said she just started DJing herself. So I guess you know, she's everybody's a DJ.

lori (08:33.563)
everybody's a everybody's a freaking DJ. Yeah, and you know what? I don't blame 'cause if you're really a DJ, I it's gotta be really annoying, all these people just standing behind a turntable thinking thinking they're doing something. Yeah, thinking they're doing something and they ain't doing jack shit compared to a a real DJ.

Kelli (08:35.976)
that's right. Triz rant's yeah, d cousin Gina sent us the

Kelli (08:47.553)
All these Bravo people. It's like something with Bravo.

Kelli (08:54.615)
Yeah.

Wendy (08:57.208)
Yeah. Yeah. so then Liz says, I'm gonna go have a cigarette if you know you wanna come outside and talk to me about what happened and

Kelli (09:07.861)
No, she said, she said, I'm going to have a cigarette so you guys can all talk about what just happened in the car. That's what she said. Yeah. And that that's why I'm like, why is she acting like such an asshole? Like to me that was like such a weird thing for her to say.

lori (09:08.031)
I don't think no, she wanted to be alone. She was yeah.

Yeah, yeah. No, she her plan no, her plan was to be alone.

Wendy (09:16.262)
is that what she said? Okay, okay. I misunderstood it.

Wendy (09:27.672)
Okay, so then Joelyn follows her, so that's why she was even more pissed at Joelyn.

lori (09:27.892)
She was

Kelli (09:29.803)
Yes. Yeah, at that point I think no, I think Jo Ellen should have just let her go outside by herself. Like let her go, like cool off and you know, maybe she'll come back a little refreshed.

lori (09:31.039)
Right, right. Which was not a good move. No. absolutely. Absolutely.

lori (09:44.737)
Right.

Wendy (09:45.934)
Yeah, I even put down that like Liz starts to go after Joel and like she literally gets this crazy look on her face. Like she really did look to me to be crazy.

lori (09:53.152)
Yeah, she acted she acted crazy, man. Off the chain, man. Yeah, it was it was that was hard to watch. I was like, whoa, whoa.

Kelli (09:55.596)
That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

Wendy (09:57.347)
Yeah.

And she's like, she's calling her disingenuous. I mean she's pulling her hair. I mean, she was literally pulling her hair.

lori (10:08.471)
Pushing the chair.

Wendy (10:10.124)
Yeah, I'm like this is really weird.

Kelli (10:13.109)
They're like yelling at each other at the table while Rich is up there singing. And they're in the front table, the first table.

Wendy (10:19.638)
I know I I know.

lori (10:22.335)
I did think it was weird though, Joel and all of a sudden insisting that Liz was one of her best friends. I was just like, What? What?

Wendy (10:31.318)
I think like Kelly said, I think she does think that she's her best friend. I do think that she feels a certain kinship to her because she is a little bit older and she's been around a long time.

Kelli (10:31.477)
Well listen

lori (10:40.245)
Yeah.

Kelli (10:43.405)
I think that when you get put on these shows, you know, there's obviously certain friendships formed. So maybe she's not her best friend. Like her sister's probably her best friend. But on the show, I think Liz is Joellen's best friend. And Kelsey, I mean, but you know, we saw how Liz talked to Kelsey that night at the party at her house after she made the Dino comment. Like this is this is who Liz is.

lori (10:56.832)
Maybe, yeah.

lori (11:01.42)
Yeah.

lori (11:05.738)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (11:06.413)
Right.

lori (11:11.135)
Yeah. Yeah, it's not just some like one off like one off behavior. No, it's not a one offer. Right. Yeah.

Wendy (11:12.238)
Well, that's when she's doing snow. I mean, I think right.

Kelli (11:14.6)
No, it's not a one off. It's not a one off.

Wendy (11:20.268)
Kelli (11:22.327)
Jo Ellen leaves.

lori (11:23.571)
And that was a smart move. She should have left a lot sooner.

Wendy (11:24.12)
Yeah. Yeah. Yes. So we're done with that whole situation. I mean, Monique asks what happens, but Alicia's like, Yeah, you know, it just was weird. She doesn't really get into it. She's like, It was just off. And that's that was good because they really didn't need to get into it there. That was not the time or place for it. Then we

Kelli (11:25.506)
Yeah.

lori (11:44.511)
And El Alicia Alicia did make a good rebound though. Like when she had her drinks, then she was like belting out the songs. And she must have been like, you know what? Like, freak this. I'm here, I'm gonna have a good time.

Kelli (11:56.376)
Well, if Monique is really her friend and Monique really is that girl that will stand up to Liz for her, once she saw Monique walk in, she was probably like, Phew, okay, now I can relax. Cause if this bitch comes back at me, now at least I got Monique here. And and you know what? There's nothing wrong with that.

Wendy (11:56.61)
Yeah.

lori (11:59.313)
Mm. She probably felt a lot better. Right. Yeah.

lori (12:07.671)
Okay. You know what? Yeah.

lori (12:13.153)
Right.

No, no, no.

Wendy (12:16.64)
No, no, absolutely not. Absolutely not.

lori (12:19.509)
No, it's my goal in life to be that friend.

Kelli (12:22.231)
For sure. For sure. Like I got it. Don't worry. I got it.

Wendy (12:22.79)
Ha ha ha

lori (12:24.631)
Absolutely. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (12:28.004)
Okay, guys, don't count on me to be that friend. I'm gonna be running. No, don't I'll be like I'll be like, yeah, no, I'll get the car. I'm gonna go get the car. Let me know throwing down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's what I'll do. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'll do. I'll make sure you're all hydrated.

lori (12:32.831)
All right.

Kelli (12:34.249)
No, we don't. We don't. You excel in other areas, but we under we understand. When he's like, I'm gonna go stand online at the bar, I'll get everybody drinks.

lori (12:35.721)
That's fine. Not everybody can be that.

lori (12:42.199)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Yeah. Wanna drink?

lori (12:50.807)
There you go.

Wendy (12:56.676)
So then Alicia is meeting up with her whole family at the restaurant called Tin Twin Oaks, which is like a a staple in Rhode Island and

lori (13:05.333)
Now wait a second, did you Yeah, did you see did you see in in her confessional Elisa Alicia says Liz is abusive? That's a pretty strong thing t to say about somebody.

Kelli (13:05.889)
I thought of like Vicks and Bradley Beach, that's what it kinda like reminded me of, right?

Wendy (13:08.407)
I did so.

Kelli (13:16.705)
Yes, she did say that. She said, I'm just gonna say it feels good to say it.

Wendy (13:26.54)
And people are afraid of her. They've they've all said that.

lori (13:29.559)
Mm.

Wendy (13:33.966)
Which yeah. So at the restaurant they're there to celebrate her daughter, she's won the dance championship trophy. Or at least she doesn't even really know what she won, but it was a big ass trophy. It was bigger than her daughter. It was bigger than her daughter.

lori (13:45.463)
Doesn't even know. It was a big ass traffic. Yes.

Kelli (13:48.023)
Big trophy.

Kelli (13:53.452)
That was a big trophy. But I like my daughter never did dance. So I don't know like is that normal, like for one kid to get a trophy that big? Like or was that for like a team like a dance team and then maybe each person gets to like hold on to it for a little while, you know?

Wendy (13:55.044)
It was.

lori (13:55.083)
It was big, yeah.

Wendy (14:02.134)
I think when they have those competitions

lori (14:02.357)
It all depends.

lori (14:10.549)
Yeah. I don't know, and it all depends.

Wendy (14:11.138)
Who knows? But when they started showing some of her dance moves, I was like, damn, this girl's good. I mean, she's nine. I know. It's a lot for a nine year old. Like that's a lot.

lori (14:17.525)
Yeah, she's very flexible.

Kelli (14:17.985)
Well she's do she's dancing five days a week. That's that's a lot.

lori (14:21.697)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (14:23.5)
Yeah.

Wendy (14:26.756)
but it was nice to see her with her aunts because her her ants are like the salt of the earth. And we've said this, like we would love to see more of her ants, right? They're so

Kelli (14:35.372)
Yes.

lori (14:35.681)
This this was my favorite scene of the whole episode. And I love, I was like, damn, Aunt Judy. I love her. Is it the medication she takes? I love her. I love her. And the best, the best was the other ants cackling, cackling in the background. That's great.

Kelli (14:38.839)
Totally agree.

Wendy (14:39.117)
Yeah.

Wendy (14:47.138)
Yeah.

Kelli (14:56.737)
But did you see when she said that when that aunt brought that up, did you see Alicia look at her mother and she was like like kinda like

lori (15:04.467)
Yeah. Right.

Wendy (15:05.592)
Well, she's like, no, no. She's like, no, no, no. She doesn't do that. She doesn't do that. She did say that.

Kelli (15:05.737)
She shouldn't say that on camera. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

lori (15:10.091)
Yeah. Uh-huh. And Aunt Judy is like Right. Aunt Judy was like Yeah, Aunt Judy was like, I think it's the paranoia from the medicine. So funny. But how about Alicia's fiance? He was what a d he's a dick. Telling Alicia because Alicia said, you know, how she would really like

Kelli (15:12.823)
Well, if she doesn't do that, she does something. So she should probably just say she does the weed.

Wendy (15:24.162)
Yeah. Yeah.

lori (15:38.724)
I guess he didn't do like the whole romantic proposal thing. Maybe he was like, Yeah, we can get married or whatever. And he says to Alicia, You're fifty years old. Like I was like, Ew. No, he said it to f to Alicia. He said, But you're fifty years old, like that she shouldn't want some big romantic proposal. No, he said it to her.

Wendy (15:50.37)
No, he's fifty years old.

Kelli (16:04.173)
I want more

Wendy (16:04.792)
No, I know he said it to her, but I thought he was saying he was fifty. He's gonna I thought he said, I'm fifty years old. You want me to like do a new proposal? I don't think she is fifty.

lori (16:08.028)
No. Mm-mm. No. He was saying that she was 50 years old.

Kelli (16:13.207)
You think she's fifty though?

lori (16:17.479)
Mm? Here was a dick!

Kelli (16:17.505)
You know what, it doesn't even matter. I I want more context. I agree. I like I want more context about the proposal. Like what was it? Was it like I want to know what the proposal was, and then and then we can make a judgment call on whether or not it's her fairy tale. I mean, obviously she feels like she missed out on something, but it's nine years later. Like you could really gonna make this guy re-propose?

lori (16:28.907)
Mm.

lori (16:34.912)
Right.

lori (16:41.687)
Yeah, but you know what?

Wendy (16:44.516)
Well that's well that's kind of my point. It's exact exactly right. It's nine years later. Like you want a new why don't you just work on planning the wedding? Instead of working on a a reproposal, let's plan a wedding.

Kelli (16:49.378)
Like

Right. It it exactly. You're not marrying him anyway because you would have done it already. So what do you need a reproposal for? Because you're on TV and you want it for a scene on TV? You know?

lori (17:00.695)
Yeah.

lori (17:05.233)
I didn't think about that. Yeah.

Wendy (17:09.06)
I actually like Billy. I think Billy's a a decent guy, to be honest with you. When she did the Pizza Mama presentation and her daughter was involved in it and you know, I thought listen, I thought he did I thought he was very receptive to her. I think he's a good guy. I do.

Kelli (17:27.489)
Yeah. No, I I don't mind at all.

Wendy (17:30.594)
Yeah. the next thing we see is

Wendy (17:40.247)
Rosie Rosie goes to the beach with Rich's family and she's meeting up with all of his family and he's got this big Italian family, all these in laws. And she's gotta show up at the beach with her Gucci beach pail. Okay, we didn't we didn't need to know about that, Rosie. Rich's mom said that she always wanted to have eight kids and then they figured out that they stopped with Rich, so something happened there.

lori (17:57.152)
Yeah. No.

Kelli (18:09.281)
Is he their only child?

Wendy (18:09.996)
And no, they have I think they have four. I think there's four because then Yeah, yeah. Because then you know, then they start saying, Well, what about you and kids? And Rich is like, Well, Rosie's, you know, Rosie's on the fence about it. And Rosie said, Well, I never, you know, I never said I wanted to have kids. And I thought it was nice that Rich's dad leans over and sa says, You know, it's your decision. It's your decision, but you'd be you'd be great at it.

Kelli (18:13.638)
okay. he was just the last one they had.

Wendy (18:38.456)
I mean, I thought that that was I thought that was really sweet, you know, because you're in this big fam this big you know, these big Italian families. Like they're so pushy. Like even if it's not their business, they're gonna stick their nose in it. That's what they're gonna do. That's what they do, right? And I just thought it was nice that his father was like, you know what, you'd be great at it, but it's your decision. So hop hopefully they don't pressure her.

Kelli (18:38.679)
Yeah, that was nice.

Yeah.

Kelli (18:46.434)
I do.

They are They will

lori (19:01.655)
Mm. Yeah, 'cause in that in that kind of situation you're married for a week and they're like, Okay, when are you having a baby? And then you have a baby and a week later they're like, Okay, when are you having another?

Kelli (19:09.654)
Absolutely.

Wendy (19:10.18)
Yeah.

Kelli (19:13.675)
And it starts when you start dating. Like when are you getting engaged? As soon as you get engaged, when are you getting married? And as soon as you get married, when are you having kids? Yeah. No, it's it's th that is facts right there.

Wendy (19:14.094)
Yeah.

lori (19:15.585)
That's what I'm saying. Yes, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yes.

Wendy (19:17.997)
Yeah.

Wendy (19:21.347)
Yeah.

Wendy (19:25.57)
I mean and then you know there was a comment made that you know

Kelli (19:27.167)
If they like if they don't like when you start dating them, they're not asking you when you're getting engaged. Then it's like when you get rid of him.

lori (19:31.445)
No, they're not asking. Right.

Wendy (19:32.233)
No exactly, exactly. But you know, Rosie said that she doesn't want to have her kid to have an old dad and he's forty-three. Well, she's thirty-four. You should have thought about that. I mean, that this is who he is. Like, I mean, what does that mean? I'm like, okay. Then we see Ashley's at Audrey's and she's talking to her husband,

Kelli (19:45.759)
Exactly. Right.

lori (19:48.543)
Right.

Wendy (19:57.401)
Because the lease is going to be up soon and they're trying to decide whether or not they're going to renew it. And then they pan over to the sign that says, shop says from coffee to cocktails, which we knew it was a coffee shop and lounge, but I guess they really haven't been doing much with the cocktails, but they make more money, obviously, on the alcoholic beverages than they do on a cup of coffee. So Jared starts making up some cocktails that Ashley's trying and she's really enjoying them. So I'm hoping that they kind of lean into that.

Kelli (20:10.466)
Yeah.

Kelli (20:26.721)
Yeah, me too.

Wendy (20:27.118)
for it you know, f for that business because it seems like it's something he really wants to do.

Wendy (20:35.712)
then we see Joellen goes over to Ashley's apartment and they're gonna be painting. Turns out that at not Ashley, Kelsey's apartment. Kelsey. And Kelsey used to paint. Like that used to be something that she did, which we didn't know. The more I see Kelsey, the the less I like her. She is so phony. She is so phony.

Kelli (20:44.727)
Kelsey.

Kelli (20:57.205)
I I'm not a Kelsey fan myself. Yeah. I'm not a Kelsey fan.

Wendy (21:01.848)
You know, I don't know why she comes so hard for Rosie. It really is really becoming annoying.

Kelli (21:07.721)
I'm starting to think that Kelsey's lying about a lot. And that's why she's trying to call Rosie out for lying. But Rosie does have a husband. Rosie does have a house. Like Kelsey i I I think this whole Bill relationship is phony. We know she broke up with the other guy and moved out two years ago. That's like I think been confirmed. And I think that this whole

Wendy (21:12.151)
I do too.

Wendy (21:23.16)
Right.

Wendy (21:31.065)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Kelli (21:37.281)
Bill storyline. I think it's a storyline. I don't think they're really dating. I don't. So

Wendy (21:42.327)
I think they're dating, but I don't know about the whole timeline because even then she was talking about she made him wait to have sex because she was still with the other guy and she made him wait two years and he couldn't date anybody else but she was still having sex with the other guy. I mean, what what man is doing that? Right.

Kelli (22:00.502)
No, there's no way a guy would do that. I'm sorry. Exactly. None. None.

lori (22:04.383)
Yeah, no, no.

Wendy (22:08.748)
I don't know. I just think there's way more to this whole story. but Joelyn is telling Kelsey what happened with Liz. And, you know, Joelin says to Kelsey, you know, did you did I do something wrong? Do you think I did something wrong? And and Kelsey's like, No, I don't. I don't think that you did anything wrong. And Alicia's like, Well, maybe or Joelyn's like, Maybe you could say something to Liz. And she's No, I'm not doing that. You've already seen what happened when I've when I've said something to Liz. I'm not.

She said she's scary as AF. So you could see Kelsey's afraid of her too.

Kelli (22:42.369)
Yeah, and and Joelyn said it in her confessional that Kelsey's afraid of Liz. I mean, I think they're all afraid of Liz at this point. I think that Liz is just a you know, she's like, Ooh, I'm scary with that what however she talks, but that was a pretty good that was pretty good.

Wendy (22:50.158)
Hmm.

lori (22:56.917)
Yeah. That's a good impression. I'm very impressed, Kelly. That's pretty good, yeah. Well, 'cause listen, i if somebody's like kinda unstable and flies off the handle all the time, who who wants to who wants to you know, who wants to be around that where you have to watch everything that you say because you don't want to lose her shit. And no, stop it. Right. You're a grown woman.

Kelli (23:08.279)
That's that's it. Right.

Wendy (23:11.882)
Yeah.

Kelli (23:20.331)
Right. You're unstable, you're unpredictable. That that's what they're worried about. Right.

Wendy (23:24.024)
No, it's scary. Yeah.

lori (23:25.845)
Right. You're a grown woman. No.

Wendy (23:31.588)
So then they reveal their paintings and Kelsey did like this beautiful like sunset and Joel and did the yeah, it was nice. And Jo Ellen did the slam pig, which I thought was good too. I thought it was hysterical. And I'm sure Kelsey hung it up because she's proud of it.

Kelli (23:38.892)
It was nice.

Kelli (23:44.077)
That was funny.

lori (23:44.703)
I thought it was cute. No, it was hysterical. I'm sure she did. Yeah.

Wendy (23:54.205)
next thing we see is Rula meets up with Liz. Listen, I don't even know how Rula has a part on this show.

lori (24:02.101)
Me neither. Me neither. I guess they wanted her they wanted her for the whole cheating thing. That's why they wanted her.

Kelli (24:04.151)
Listen. This is

Kelli (24:11.255)
I think that they cast her and then this whole cheating thing came out and then they really tried to lean into it and she was like, No, we're not doing that. I just won't film. So I think that at the end of this season she's gonna get an ultimatum. Like you can't you can't ghost us.

lori (24:15.186)
you think so?

lori (24:18.999)
Mm.

lori (24:31.115)
Right. Yeah, I don't know what's up.

Wendy (24:33.763)
Yeah.

Kelli (24:35.255)
But I think they cast her and then it all came out and she was like, Nope. But come on. Liz you know Liz was calling Rula, 'cause if Liz can get somebody else to jump on the I hate Joel and bandwagon right now, Liz is striking all the irons hot with that. Yep. Yep.

Wendy (24:43.822)
Course.

lori (24:47.671)
Mm. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (24:48.11)
Well, who better than her? Right, right. And then Rula jumps on that, you know, that I think all the things that Joelyn is saying about Brian, those are things that she's doing herself.

lori (24:59.573)
That was like, whoa. Yeah. I was like, whoa.

Kelli (25:00.023)
How about that? She said that Joelyn hasn't been faithful to her or hasn't been loyal to her husband. I don't know if I believe that, but

Wendy (25:01.847)
I was like, wait.

lori (25:07.287)
Throwing that throwing that shade that she's unfaithful. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (25:11.307)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (25:11.938)
Yeah.

Wendy (25:15.384)
then we see Kelsey is at the gym with Billy and her coach David and they're working out together. Again, didn't really need to see that scene. Didn't need to see it.

Kelli (25:26.869)
No, no, because it's it was you know, they're d again they're talking about the ex and what he pays for and Bill doesn't want him privat like we g we get it. We get it. You dated a very wealthy guy. You lived with him, he paid for everything, you moved out, he's still but like we get it enough.

lori (25:47.832)
But but this is the problem that I have. What'd you do for ten years? The guy wasn't there a lot of the time. What did you do? Y like Yeah, but I mean she she made no no plans for her future. She sucked no money away. She didn't invest in anything. She didn't try and

Kelli (25:58.412)
Six months out of the year.

Kelli (26:02.689)
Well how about how about she says well she's

Wendy (26:02.99)
Whatever she wanted. She was lady of leisure.

Kelli (26:10.335)
Right. Right.

lori (26:18.059)
Better herself, like take a c like take a court like she didn't you did nothing? You did nothing.

Kelli (26:23.989)
Right. Well she got her cosmetology license, but she's like, Well, Bill doesn't want my ex paying for things and he doesn't want to pay for things. What am I supposed to do? Get a job. Get a job. I mean, put the bullhorn down. Stop yelling at Rosie for the square footage of her home and get a job.

lori (26:32.875)
Get a job. Get a job, bitch. Get a job.

Wendy (26:36.548)
Yeah.

Wendy (26:44.674)
Right. Right.

lori (26:44.799)
And get a job. Cut some hair, get a job. Which, you know, if she was smart, she would've even even if she worked part time while she was with the dude. She could have had a nest egg. Like I don't know. It's just bizarre to me.

Kelli (26:48.065)
Yeah.

Kelli (26:55.308)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (27:02.2)
Yeah, I know. It's bizarre to me too. It is. You know, she goes on to tell us about that she was in an accident in twenty fifteen, a car accident, and her lawyer ordered a CAT scan and they accidentally found a brain tumor that she would have never known she had had she not had this car accident. And if they didn't have it removed, she could have gone blind. So now her ex was very adamant that she have these MRIs done twice a year just so that they can

you know, check on it. So that's why she needs to have good insurance. Okay, so go get good insurance. Like it's not that hard.

Kelli (27:37.761)
Yeah, just just FYI though, two MRIs a year, that's a lot of exposure to radiation unless you really need it. I mean, if you need it, you need it. But as a precautionary, I don't know.

lori (27:46.655)
Right. But who knows? Right.

lori (27:53.077)
Yeah, but you know what? Sometimes they just say shit on these shows, just say shit.

Kelli (27:57.258)
I totally ag that w that's my point. Did she does she really need I mean, my mother had a tumor behind her eye that was pushing her eye out of her socket and it w it was benign, thank God, but she could have gone blind also. She doesn't go for two MRIs a year.

lori (27:58.72)
Yeah.

Wendy (28:01.838)
Probably not.

lori (28:12.309)
Right, right.

Kelli (28:15.007)
And even if they told her to, she wouldn't 'cause that's my mother.

Wendy (28:17.442)
I was just gonna say that your mother probably wouldn't even let you know if they told her to My mother probably wouldn't let me know either.

lori (28:21.919)
Yeah.

Kelli (28:22.039)
She wouldn't, she wouldn't Exactly, exactly.

Wendy (28:33.732)
So then we see Joelen is gonna be meeting up with Liz and she calls Alicia while she's on her way there. And you know, she's just telling her what's going on and Alicia's, you know, giving her her well wishes. So Joelyn's sitting outside, and you could tell that she was freezing. Liz shows up, it is very awkward, very awkward.

lori (28:55.084)
Very old.

Wendy (28:58.582)
Then it starts raining and then it starts really raining. I was like, my gosh, like this couldn't even

Kelli (29:02.38)
Yeah.

lori (29:03.743)
Now how how about when they first sit down, Joelyn says she's cold and Liz is like, Yeah, it's cold out and Joelyn's like, No, I'm really cold and she shows her she has like, you know Yeah. And Liz is like, that's good, you like that I was like

Wendy (29:16.802)
Her nips.

Kelli (29:17.473)
Hard nipples, yeah.

lori (29:26.355)
Okay. This odd conversation.

Kelli (29:27.649)
Well, you know what it is? It's like a silly thing to say to your friend. But but meanwhile Liz is like, That's not my friend. So why are you saying silly things like that to somebody who's not your friend? Like that's something you would say to like a friend, like joking around, like, I you like it like that. But if she's not your friend

Wendy (29:27.748)
I know. I thought that was weird.

lori (29:39.265)
But you know what?

lori (29:43.902)
No, but she but she wa yeah, but she but she wasn't even saying it jokingly. And you know what it is about Liz? It's that it's that smirk. It's the smirk that really I don't know. It irks me. That's that smirky thing when somebody's being like nasty and mean and they did that mm. Like I no.

Kelli (29:54.423)
Yeah.

Wendy (29:54.905)
yeah.

The eyes too.

Kelli (29:59.019)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (30:07.821)
Well the thing is is that you are you you're you're clearly trying to come off as a hard ass, Liz. She's she's trying to come off as a hard ass. But then you don't want people to say you're a hard ass. Then why are you acting like a hard ass?

lori (30:20.275)
Right, so then stop coming off as a hard ass. And there you go. Self fulfilling prophecy.

Wendy (30:25.241)
Yeah.

Kelli (30:27.178)
Exactly.

Wendy (30:27.756)
And so then Liz says, I have no desire to fight with you. What I'm not gonna do is go back to the homeless thing and explain it. You know, Liz said, I took offense to you positioning yourself as the peacemaker in that ride. Wouldn't you think a mediator would say something along the lines of Alicia, you know where your her heart is, you know what she meant, you know that she didn't mean it like that, but rather than your feelings are justified.

lori (30:29.355)
Excuse

Wendy (30:56.522)
No one can take that away from you, which is true, by the way, she says. And I don't disagree. And I don't disagree. And then Joelyn said, I think we're right. Right. Exactly. And Joelyn said, I think we're going you were you were going at her hard. You were stepping on well, this didn't make sense either. You were stepping on your own toes with the things you were saying. You were just like kind of mean and

lori (31:01.739)
It made no sense.

lori (31:07.159)
So then what are you saying? What are you saying?

Kelli (31:08.928)
Right.

Wendy (31:23.352)
Liz report repeats, I was stepping on my own toes. She's like, I don't know the phrase. I'm like, no, you don't. So why are you saying it?

But then that's where Liz says, you know, Joel and says in her confessional, you know what, like sh she does mean a lot to me. Like when my grandfather was dying, like she was the first person I called, which is what leads me to believe like she really does consider like Liz to be that like motherly figure. Like she really does feel this connection to her. Cause she didn't call anybody else, she called Liz.

Kelli (31:55.713)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (32:01.282)
Right. Right.

Wendy (32:03.778)
And Joelyn said, but you pulled my hair. Like, I remember you tugged on my hair and you kicked my chair. And Liz, like, you and then that's when Liz really lost it again. You really? You remember I I tugged on your hair? You're the devil. Tugging on her hair. You're the devil. And that's so effed up about you. And I was like, whoa, like this is crazy. Yeah.

Kelli (32:16.749)
And then they show a clip of her tugging on her hair.

lori (32:17.183)
Yeah.

lori (32:26.934)
Yeah, it was whack.

Kelli (32:27.959)
Yeah, it was.

Wendy (32:31.806)
I listen, I felt bad for Joellen in that moment. I think she, you know, I think she handled it as best as she could. But, you know, there was nothing else she could do at that point. And then Liz just said, You're attacking me, you're attacking my character. I don't believe I put my hands on her, you know, any kind n like I didn't I maybe I maybe I pushed the chair away to get her away from me, but there's no way I put my hands on her. I'm like, Yeah, absolutely did.

Kelli (33:00.407)
She did. She did.

Wendy (33:03.17)
I'm curious to see how that plays out in the reunion. I think Andy said two weeks they're gonna be filming.

Kelli (33:11.223)
Well, I can't believe this is episode ten already.

Wendy (33:14.18)
Yeah.

lori (33:14.647)
I know, right?

Kelli (33:15.789)
That went by quick.

Wendy (33:17.41)
Yeah, no it did. It did.

Kelli (33:20.267)
I mean listen, y y social media Liz is not a fan fave right now.

lori (33:24.733)
No, no, no, no. She's not doing herself any favors at all. Because that scene that scene outside of that club, that was some unhinged shit. Like, if she doesn't look back on that and say, Ooh

Wendy (33:31.213)
And it's not gonna help or that.

lori (33:46.251)
then there's there was even more serious problems because how could you not watch that look at yourself behave like that and be like, shit.

Wendy (33:50.638)
I mean yeah.

Kelli (33:56.975)
Yeah, she l she was horrible. Horrible.

lori (33:58.624)
It was unhinged. It was not good.

Wendy (34:00.544)
It's weird too because after the Fourth of July incident when she had Dolo come over, she admitted that she wasn't proud of herself for that experience. And you know Dolo's not gonna be at the reunion and I'm sure that this is why. 'Cause you know she would have her back.

lori (34:18.487)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (34:19.271)
absolutely. She did when she went to her house. When she and Kelsey went to her house. I thought i if if if this were anybody else, you'd be setting them straight right now. That's why d d you can't have Dolores on these shows. She's not a good housewife. She's a yes girl.

lori (34:22.08)
Yes.

Wendy (34:22.562)
I know.

lori (34:31.884)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (34:32.258)
Yeah.

Wendy (34:37.388)
No, yeah, she's a she's a peacemaker. She definitely is a peacemaker.

Kelli (34:41.099)
Yeah. It's not even that though. Peacemakers, you know, somebody who wants to come into a situation and see both sides and try to help but like she's just a you know

Wendy (34:47.908)
No, you're right. You're right.

lori (34:50.518)
Yeah.

lori (34:55.681)
She's neutral she's neutr right. She's neutral until but not to everybody. She's neutral until she doesn't want to be neutral. And then she goes where the winds blow.

Kelli (34:55.83)
she's a lap, she's the lap dog, like they keep saying in it. But not to everybody. Right.

Kelli (35:07.745)
Right.

Wendy (35:11.458)
Yeah, but her loyalty is to Liz.

Kelli (35:14.603)
Yeah. But it's blind. She's blindly loyal to people. And I'm all about loyalty, but she's blindly loyal. You have to be able to tell people when they're when they're out of line. And she doesn't. Dolores doesn't. D certain people. She could tell some people they're out of line, but not everybody.

Wendy (35:16.142)
So yeah, no it is blind.

lori (35:17.631)
Right, and that's never good. Right.

lori (35:23.276)
Right.

lori (35:26.877)
Absolutely. Right. Right.

lori (35:33.249)
Yeah. 'Cause really that's what a true friend does. True friend tells you, you know what, you need you need to step back you know. So

Kelli (35:36.915)
Absolutely. You have to be able to do that.

Mm-hmm.

Wendy (35:45.784)
Yeah, we'll have to wait and see what happens. I mean, I thought it was a good episode. I thought, you know, we saw you had another crazy side of Liz.

lori (35:52.129)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (35:52.941)
Yeah, I mean they're all good episodes.

Wendy (35:56.226)
Yeah. I just can't imagine what else we're gonna get out of Rula though, because this is just ridiculous at this point.

Kelli (36:03.285)
I have a feeling she's gonna be hit with some kind of ultimatum.

Kelli (36:09.493)
I think that I think that Yeah. Yeah. I'd love to I I don't know who Monique is, but I I feel like I wanna see her on this show.

Wendy (36:09.496)
Maybe we can get Monique.

Wendy (36:18.626)
Yeah, I do too. Yep.

lori (36:18.731)
Yeah. I'm with it now.

Kelli (36:22.357)
Especially if she's gonna put Liz in her place because nobody else is. Jo Ellen's trying, but it's not landing. Not for lack of effort though.

lori (36:26.09)
No.

Not landing. Yeah. Right.

Wendy (36:31.118)
That's that's for sure.

Kelli (36:32.898)
Yeah.

Wendy (36:34.306)
All right, so thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye.

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