RHOP-Screaming, Scheming & Samuels

Wendy (00:01.122)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy.

We Wine Whenever (00:04.575)
I'm Gina.

Wendy (00:06.36)
So Kelly is under the weather today and Lori doesn't do Potomac so it's aunt, it's cousin Gina and Wendy. We- Yes, it's nice to have you. Thank you for filling in. We are doing Real Housewives of Potomac, season 10, episode number nine, Leak What You Speak. I don't really like that name.

We Wine Whenever (00:14.142)
It's nice to be back.

We Wine Whenever (00:29.802)
The title didn't really...

Wendy (00:31.989)
It didn't make sense, right?

We Wine Whenever (00:33.204)
No, doesn't. You know what? I don't know why we have to have title names. I guess they need it for historical reasons. But just call it season whatever, episode whatever.

Wendy (00:45.154)
You know what, I'll be honest with you. We have to come up with title names for the podcast too. yeah, and because the title names are what grabs people to watch them, whether it's on YouTube or listen to it. So there's like a whole science behind it, but this is on TV. So I don't know what the science is. So I come up with a different name. have ChatGBT. I put in my notes and I have ChatGBT give me some name ideas. That's how I do it.

We Wine Whenever (00:50.346)
Really?

We Wine Whenever (01:04.213)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:13.265)
Listen, I'm pushing 70. I don't even know what chat GPT is.

Wendy (01:17.166)
It's okay.

We Wine Whenever (01:19.956)
I have WhatsApp, keep thinking, that's WhatsApp, right? No, something different, whatever.

Wendy (01:25.334)
No, WhatsApp is the phone, the one that you can call overseas for and you don't, yeah. No, it's not as different. Yeah. We pick up where we left off last week with Stacey and Kiarna going back and forth about, Kiarna doesn't even have a husband because she's telling Stacey that she wouldn't want her husband around Stacey and Stacey's like, well, you don't even have a husband.

We Wine Whenever (01:29.224)
Right, but it's not chat GPT. They're two separate things. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:52.467)
And neither does Stacy, really.

Wendy (01:54.762)
Well, no, she doesn't actually, but she had one and then she divorced him, but then she's back with him, so.

We Wine Whenever (01:59.231)
Now they're back together. I like Stacey. I just want to say that I do. And I feel bad. think she's getting, she's getting the same rap that, is it Katie Janela? Is that her name? Yeah. Same, the same thing. She's not being given a chance.

Wendy (02:13.334)
Yeah, Katie, yes, yep.

Wendy (02:19.404)
Yeah, Kelly and I kind of agree with that. The more they pile on Stacey, I don't even care that Stacey lied anymore. I still like Stacey.

We Wine Whenever (02:28.531)
I don't remember what she lied about. They all lie. that was last season. Yeah. And you know what? It's not the first time. I have a Roku television and they have the Bravo ball. So I go to bed with that every night and they are rerunning Atlanta when Kenya Moore did the same thing with that. I can't remember his name, who actually is the cousin of Cecil from Married to Medicine.

Wendy (02:31.01)
Well, mean, TJ. Yeah, it's... Exactly, exactly.

Wendy (02:51.543)
yeah.

Wendy (02:58.289)
that's interesting.

We Wine Whenever (02:59.412)
Yeah.

Wendy (03:01.72)
So Wendy says that she had a conversation with Stacey and that she'd be more than happy to have a conversation with Monique to kind of get this whole thing resolved. But she doesn't want Kiarna to be there because she doesn't feel comfortable or safe around her. And I don't blame her because Kiarna keeps coming for her for no reason.

We Wine Whenever (03:22.407)
Right, but I think people use that word safe a little bit too much. That word should be sacred. And I don't think Kiana is making her feel unsafe. Uncomfortable, but not unsafe. Yeah.

Wendy (03:27.821)
Yeah.

Wendy (03:32.584)
No. Yes, I agree with that. I agree with that.

We Wine Whenever (03:38.91)
But I don't think Kiana is somebody that you have to be afraid of. mean, you listen, she's not letting up, but that's what reality TV is about.

Wendy (03:48.076)
Well, I will say this. You know what? mean, the whole fact that Kiarna was the one that was involved in the physical altercation several years back that she got the scar from with Ashley's friend, the Muppet Lady.

We Wine Whenever (04:03.419)
I keep forgetting that when she was involved with that.

Wendy (04:06.306)
So she was involved with that. And she's also the one who said that she was going to chin check her friend.

We Wine Whenever (04:14.13)
Yeah, and it turns out chin check means to physically punch somebody in the face. That's not something you should be joking about.

Wendy (04:17.344)
Ex... Exactly.

Exactly, and horrible people shouldn't be joking about it. So the fact that Stacey said unsafe and uncomfortable, know, because it was Kiarna.

We Wine Whenever (04:29.459)
Okay, now what? Yeah. Okay, I get it now. I get it. And that's like what I saw, what I saw Monique, I'm like, what was the last time? And then I forgot. Yeah, Monique, what has it been on since she got in that tussle?

Wendy (04:33.046)
Right? And listen.

Wendy (04:42.144)
Exactly, exactly. So, and by the way, there's no reason for Keanu to be there. It's none of her business. It doesn't have anything to do with her. Like that's my whole thing is like, why is she even involving herself in this?

We Wine Whenever (04:56.628)
She's trying too hard. First, second season. They really try to get involved and have storylines. And I think they have too many people on the cast. If anybody from Potomac's production is listening, too many people. You should have five or six, no more.

Wendy (04:59.085)
Yeah.

Wendy (05:04.471)
Yeah.

Wendy (05:07.97)
Bye.

Wendy (05:15.917)
Yeah.

So Wendy, as soon as Stacey sits down, said, informed the ladies of the conditions that you wanted to have a conversation with Monique, but you did not want Ashley and Kiana there. And Kiana kind of removes herself. She's like, OK, I'll go to the bar. But Ashley didn't remove herself. And I agree. Ashley doesn't need to be there. It doesn't have anything to do with her.

We Wine Whenever (05:38.366)
No, Ashley did walk away, but not until later.

Wendy (05:44.812)
Right, right. And listen, Monique said, listen, all I want to know is what happened. You know, when we sat at the table at the Pride and, you know, I was being very vulnerable with the group and I didn't know that you were still in contact with Chris Samuels because listen, anyone who's going to be friends with my ex and associate with him, I don't want to associate with them. You could be the nicest person there is, but...

We have a very tough co-parenting situation and I don't want to be involved with somebody who's going to go be bringing back information to this person.

We Wine Whenever (06:18.568)
100 % agree.

Wendy (06:20.566)
I do too. do too. Stacey said, I've never dated Chris. Monique said, I thought you did. She said, no. And Ashley said, well, that's not the word on the curb. Which again, that's why Ashley wanted to be there to stick her two cents in. Not necessary.

We Wine Whenever (06:36.041)
She loves trouble. And Ashley has already cemented herself. She's not going anywhere on that show. But she keeps stirring it up. Her and Gisele, I love them. I really do. And are there the only two OGs left, right?

Wendy (06:44.63)
No, she was not.

Wendy (06:53.784)
Well, I don't actually think Ashley was an OG. Ashley was not an OG. No, she wasn't. No, she wasn't. Are you sure?

We Wine Whenever (06:57.819)
Yes, she was. She was first season. Yes, she was. She was. Positive. Positive. Do you want me to Google?

Wendy (07:09.132)
Yeah, Google. Well, I go on to the next thing. Stacy said, never dated Chris. no, we did that. Stacy said, I did not call Chris. he received the magazine Potomac Lifestyles with myself and my daughter on the cover, he sent me a message and it said, I did not respond. So she's telling Monique, like I didn't even reach out to him. He's the one who reached out to me. Right.

We Wine Whenever (07:36.284)
Three times, but then like Gisele said, it's very easy to delete texts. And yes, she was season one. It said she was introduced as a new cast member in season one.

Wendy (07:48.232)
Okay, well how was she new of it season one? They were all new.

We Wine Whenever (07:49.105)
Yeah.

How we sh- Well, they're just saying that's when she was introduced. And they talk about storylines from season one and Ashley and Michael were opening that Australian restaurant,

Wendy (07:55.053)
yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Wendy (08:03.808)
Yes. Well, they did open it and that didn't go too well. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (08:06.599)
They didn't go well. yet, so those two were the only OGs left.

Wendy (08:13.046)
Yeah, okay.

Yeah, well, Karen's back, so, shh, you know.

We Wine Whenever (08:21.361)
She's gone. She went to jail. You know, I'm not okay with her coming back.

Wendy (08:26.658)
I know, but you you saw at the end that Andy does a sit down with her.

We Wine Whenever (08:31.288)
I know she's back. He a very disappointed because they're saying, she didn't do anything that hurt somebody. But yes, she did four times. Drunk driving four times. Not only yes, she didn't hurt anybody, but four times she could have killed somebody.

Wendy (08:52.81)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (08:54.557)
And I'm not okay with that.

Wendy (08:56.97)
No, I actually am not either. know, people are saying online that, you know, because the whole fact that when she walked on stage at BravoCon, they gave her like a standing ovation, which I thought was ridiculous. People are saying, yeah, people are saying that they think that now she's taking accountability and she's going to be a better person. Okay. Let's see that before we give a standing ovation. Let's see it.

We Wine Whenever (09:08.774)
Yeah.

It's rewarding bad behavior.

We Wine Whenever (09:23.41)
She's gonna make a show of it. She'll make a show of it. But I'll bet you she's already been drunk more than once since she's been out of jail.

Wendy (09:27.597)
Yeah.

Wendy (09:34.936)
Well, I don't know. I think isn't she under, she's on parole. She's on parole.

We Wine Whenever (09:40.859)
Well, if she is, then she might be getting tested and she wouldn't be then. But look at Shannon. Shannon drove her car into a house and she never stopped drinking. I don't know what people need as a wake up call.

Wendy (09:58.691)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (09:59.164)
Listen, I don't have a problem with people drinking, but you don't have one sip of alcohol and they get behind the wheel of a car. That's what I have a problem with. Especially today when we have Ubers so readily available.

Wendy (10:14.348)
Yeah, no, mean, listen, I don't really think anybody condones drinking and driving. I just think that, like you said, Bravo does reward bad behavior. But we're just as guilty because we continue to support Bravo.

We Wine Whenever (10:27.205)
Yep, they did it with Teresa. They're going to do they're not going to do with Jen Shaw that Andy for some reason. He's been pretty vocal. Yeah, I'll bet you Bravo overrules him and brings her back.

Wendy (10:36.738)
Yeah, he does not. Yeah.

Wendy (10:43.538)
I don't know. I think he's a very powerful producer on The Housewives. think he's the final say. I do, but I could be wrong.

We Wine Whenever (10:51.182)
He always says he's not, but he has a lot of power. It will be interesting to see if, because she's getting out by Christmas, said.

Wendy (11:01.164)
Yeah, yes, yes she is.

We Wine Whenever (11:03.971)
And Steve McBee went to jail today. Steve McBee self surrendered today from McBee dynasty.

Wendy (11:10.646)
Yes. Yes, yes, he's got two years.

We Wine Whenever (11:15.066)
Yeah, so he'll be out by next Christmas.

Wendy (11:18.926)
Probably, to be honest with you. Although, you know, I...

We Wine Whenever (11:21.828)
I think he's federal also.

Wendy (11:24.78)
He's also, he is federal and he was meeting with Todd Chrisley and I think he's gonna try and get a pardon from Trump. So he may be out sooner. Anything's possible.

We Wine Whenever (11:35.278)
Yeah. And I don't think that Joe

I can never pronounce her last name. Joe Judice. Yeah. I don't think Trump's going to give him a pardon because of the whole immigration issue. He can't go pardoning people who are convicted of immigration issues. So I don't think he's going to get a pardon.

Wendy (11:42.018)
Joe Judice or Judiche.

Wendy (11:57.485)
Yeah.

Wendy (12:01.676)
If he does, it won't be until his last day.

We Wine Whenever (12:05.199)
Yeah. And you know what? He's living in the Bahamas. He's not in jail. I understand he wants to be able to come to the U.S. for his children, but at least he's in the Bahamas instead of Italy. Italy's gorgeous, but it's so much closer and easier to get to. Yeah.

Wendy (12:18.154)
Yeah, it's easier for his kids. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. So Wendy says, listen, it's not Stacy who's telling us somebody else is leaking these conversations, somebody else is the leak. That's where the leak came from.

We Wine Whenever (12:35.943)
I love the way they went down and she listed everybody.

Wendy (12:40.034)
Right, yeah. mean, listen, I think she said it could be somebody that had a connection to Chris. Like, let's say if I put on my detective wig, she said, and narrowed down the subjects, Kiarna is a prime subject. Number one, why are you even taking calls from Cookie? True.

We Wine Whenever (13:02.54)
even know who this cookie is she's just showed up a few episodes ago but they never gave her a backstory

Wendy (13:09.964)
Well, the backstory is that she was very good friends with Karen, but Monique, and you see episodes, because they've showed it where she was on, you know, in the background with Karen. Monique is the one who introduced her, introduced Karen to Cookie.

We Wine Whenever (13:27.29)
They said something today about her being like she went out of her way to be friends with Karen. thought somebody said that in last night's episode. Yeah.

Wendy (13:35.98)
Well, I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised because what Monique said is, one, she introduced Cookie to Karen. That's how Karen even knows her. And she was in the same room with Monique and she lied about this person being her father. And this person wasn't her father. Like she's just a known liar and troublemaker. And that's the only reason she's coming on right now is to stir up trouble.

We Wine Whenever (14:00.973)
Yeah, and I didn't understand the father reference either.

Wendy (14:04.578)
Well, I mean, who lies about someone being their father when they're not their father? Right. It just tells you the character of that person, right?

We Wine Whenever (14:08.088)
Yeah, just.

We Wine Whenever (14:13.059)
Yeah, did it make sense?

Wendy (14:16.233)
And listen, Cookie doesn't like Stacey. don't know why specifically, why she doesn't like Stacey. I don't, you know, I don't.

We Wine Whenever (14:25.253)
don't think anybody likes Stacey.

Wendy (14:27.926)
Well, Wendy doesn't mind Stacey.

We Wine Whenever (14:31.841)
Yeah, she tolerates her.

Wendy (14:35.276)
I mean, I think it's a good thing that she did tolerate her this season, especially considering everything that happened to Wendy, because I think she's the only one still standing by her.

We Wine Whenever (14:43.883)
at the end of the episode they kind of started referring to that. the best part of today's episode because knowing what we know about Wendy was her mother when her mother's talking. Her poor sister now has got to support the mother all on her own.

Wendy (14:47.329)
Yeah.

Wendy (14:55.436)
gosh, yes.

Wendy (15:02.382)
That's right. That's right.

We Wine Whenever (15:04.737)
One good thing that comes out of this, it's the mother getting knocked down a little notch or two. That was not a nice thing to say about your children. If your children are supporting you, you should have humility and be grateful.

Wendy (15:11.907)
Yeah.

No, it really.

Wendy (15:21.494)
It's true, it's absolutely true. And then the other suspect is Angel because her husband Bobby knows Chris Samuel. So, you know, that could be the connection where it's getting out. Yeah, football, yes. And then last of course is Gisele because Gisele loves a mess. that's her, that's her favorite flavor because Gisele doesn't talk about her real life. She just stirs up everyone else's stuff.

We Wine Whenever (15:22.542)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (15:33.839)
Football, right? They both played football.

We Wine Whenever (15:48.889)
And I don't blame her, I would be doing the same thing. It was like I was watching a show the other night when they were yelling at somebody for not revealing something, one of the Housewives shows. And it's like, you know, some things have got to be sacred. You know, you give them enough for the show, but sometimes you don't need to mention everything going on in your life.

Wendy (15:52.46)
Why? Why not talk about your own life?

Wendy (16:14.786)
Well I agree that you don't have to mention everything, but I mean what does Giselle mention?

We Wine Whenever (16:19.2)
Nothing. Her daughters. And it's, that's not dirt. It's just a beautiful part of her life.

Wendy (16:20.438)
Exactly.

Wendy (16:26.54)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (16:29.838)
Huger was the same way. She never showed anything negative about her life. She only showed things like, you know, where she came from the farm and I don't think she shared any negative, anything not positive.

Wendy (16:44.632)
Well, she had a share. She had a share when Ray was in trouble for the tax. That she had a share. Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (16:51.243)
Yeah, because it was in the newspaper. Yeah. But they didn't talk about it that much. It didn't get that much attention on the show.

Wendy (16:56.436)
No, they didn't. No, not like some other stuff has.

Wendy (17:06.85)
So next, Stacey said, why don't we call Chris and see if I'm lying?

wait, this is afterwards. So they go, this is after they have the sit down, right? After they have the sit down, they're all, they're all together again. And, Sharice is there and Stacy's there and she's like, why don't we call Chris Samuels? So Sharice picks up the phone and calls Chris Samuels and his response is, I don't know what the F you're talking about. So.

We Wine Whenever (17:38.104)
And she was confusing too, talking about, did you meet here? Did you say this?

Wendy (17:42.594)
Right.

Right. So they hung up the phone and Stacey's like, see, you know, I didn't tell him. It didn't come from me. And at the same time as this is going on, Wale is over there talking to Ashley again. And Wendy's over with Stacey. And I liked that Wendy had Stacey's back with this whole thing. I did. I really did. thought that at least, you know, she's got someone there for her because it's ridiculous.

We Wine Whenever (18:11.532)
Yeah.

Wendy (18:14.38)
It's just ridiculous.

We Wine Whenever (18:17.182)
If that was real life, you'd walk away from that group of ladies as fast as you could. But because it's a paycheck, you have to put up with a lot of garbage and lot of attacks on your personal life.

Wendy (18:30.486)
Yeah, I know. It's crazy.

We Wine Whenever (18:31.618)
I would never recommend to anybody I love to be on a Housewives show.

Wendy (18:39.85)
No, I agree. I agree, because it messes up families. It really does.

We Wine Whenever (18:41.539)
Yeah. Yeah. It'll cause problems with your marriage. It'll cause problems with your children. I mean, Caroline Manzo did a good job of it, but she's one of the few.

Wendy (18:47.406)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (18:56.332)
Yeah. So then Sharice starts talking bad about Stacey again. She's like, you know, we went out about five months ago and we met up with these two guys and they were married. And then the one guy got up to go to the bathroom and the other guy says, you know, you know, he's married. And Stacey looks at him and says, well, what does that have to do with me? Okay. Do we know that that really happened? I mean, just because Sharice said it happened.

We Wine Whenever (19:23.904)
And also that comment could be taken a couple of different ways. It's like maybe she wasn't thinking about her and that guy being together. Maybe it's like, well, why are you bringing that up to me? I have nothing to do with him. It's just a person I met here tonight. So yeah, I think that was a little shady.

Wendy (19:38.368)
Right. Right.

Wendy (19:47.35)
And then Vivian is there again. That's another one. Like, why do we all of sudden keep seeing Vivian?

We Wine Whenever (19:53.238)
Vivian is, don't know who Jassy is. I don't know. I know who Kierna is.

she had a goal and look at who's on the cast this year. So Jesse or jassy is a friend of.

Wendy (20:04.578)
Yeah.

So Jassy is a friend of, that's right.

We Wine Whenever (20:10.281)
The other one wasn't even mentioned.

Wendy (20:13.198)
Well, which one, Vivian? So Vivian is the woman that owned the dress shop when last season when Stacy knew Vivian, Karen knew Vivian, Ashley knew Vivian, and Vivian did Stacy wrong by putting her in the same dress that she put, I think Ashley in, I think it was Ashley. And all of a sudden she keeps popping up every couple episodes this season. I'm like, don't need to see this.

We Wine Whenever (20:14.944)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:34.753)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:41.302)
Yeah. You know, it's like, Jersey did that, but at least she knew who they were. They had a little bit of a storyline. With Kim D. Yeah.

Wendy (20:50.476)
Right, with the Kim D. Yeah. And then Angel's talking about how she feels like, again, how Wendy is very passive aggressive and how Wendy's coming after her. I'm like, wait a second. Giselle's like, no, I'm the one who said the catfish thing. Like, she was blaming that on Wendy. And Giselle even outed herself. She's like, no, no, no, that was me.

We Wine Whenever (21:19.746)
Yeah, she owned up to it. And again, now it's such an off the wall comment. It's like, why are you making a big deal about that? I mean, that whole, it's a mini storyline about the photo of her, but that whole thing was stupid. What are you getting upset about it? There's a photograph that doesn't, it doesn't look anything like you.

It was only be catfishing, I think, it was a dating, online dating type situation. But just the fact, it's a non-issue. They're trying too hard to come up with storylines.

Wendy (21:51.0)
Right.

Wendy (21:58.37)
No, they are. the fact of the matter is they're bringing up stuff over and over and over again. Like, who cares about that? We talked about that five episodes ago. And six, like enough. Enough already.

We Wine Whenever (22:03.649)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (22:09.939)
Yeah, I mean, she doesn't look the same. You know what? Maybe she just had a baby. Maybe something else happened. Just leave her. I wasn't sure how old the baby was.

Wendy (22:16.994)
Well, she did. She did just have a baby.

No, the baby's a baby. As a matter of fact, when they went on the trip, she was still breastfeeding. And yeah, she had a pump where they were on the trip. She was still breastfeeding. It was the first time she'd ever left her children. Like, you know, give the girl a break.

We Wine Whenever (22:37.056)
She looks wonderful. Especially for just having a baby.

Wendy (22:39.03)
Yes, she does. Yes, yes.

So meanwhile, this whole time, all this is going on, Kiana is still yelling at Stacey. And finally, Stacey's like, you know what? I'm going to leave. So she goes over. I don't blame her either. She goes over and she says to Gisele, you know what? I'm just going to leave. And she goes over to the elevator and Jassy goes after her. She's like, I don't even know what is going on here. Thank you for coming to my wedding, because they had all just gone to her wedding. And.

We Wine Whenever (22:53.647)
I don't blame her.

Wendy (23:13.388)
Giselle has to rush over to the elevator like yell at her to leave now, but meanwhile she was leaving. Like you didn't have to go get involved in that.

We Wine Whenever (23:21.453)
I didn't understand that. That didn't make sense to me why she was doing that.

Wendy (23:23.47)
Yeah.

No, it didn't make any sense. So she leaves, so she leaves, and Stacy, and Wendy stayed at this point, which, okay, that's fine. At least Stacy didn't leave by herself.

The next thing we see is... Go ahead.

We Wine Whenever (23:41.216)
Did you know? I was gonna say, did you notice that Wendy's redoing her living room? You know why?

Wendy (23:47.179)
yes, I sure did. The new floor? Did see the new floor? Yeah, because of the wife swap.

We Wine Whenever (23:52.586)
where they on Wendy did wife swap and the woman who swapped with her spilled like red paint or something or did one of the kids spilled red paint on the white carpeting.

Wendy (24:01.74)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (24:05.085)
I wonder if she got Bravo to pay for that.

Wendy (24:07.724)
I bet she did. Bet she did.

We Wine Whenever (24:10.58)
Yeah.

Wendy (24:12.558)
So then we see Stacey's at home with her daughter Arabella and they're making pizza and their husband, yeah, her husband comes home.

We Wine Whenever (24:18.857)
So cute.

Wendy (24:26.72)
I like seeing them together. mean, it's a little awkward, but at least it's real. I think that they're, you know, it's that they're, it's their daughter. I don't either.

We Wine Whenever (24:33.908)
think he wants to be on TV. Yeah, I don't think he wants to be on TV. He's doing it for her. I really like that they're making an effort to get back together because especially if you have a young child, mean, hopefully they really thought this out before they brought it in front of their daughter because that could be really confusing.

Wendy (24:54.722)
Well, it is confusing because he moved out. He doesn't live there anymore. And so he comes over to spend time with them, which again, I guess is a good thing. And I guess they want to make sure that it's going to stick before, you know, he does move back in or whatever happens, right?

We Wine Whenever (25:13.779)
Yeah.

Wendy (25:16.818)
Then we see Ashley's at her house and with her kids and her mom Sheila comes over and yeah.

We Wine Whenever (25:22.271)
what we could have a whole spinoff of that whole dynamic. We've never seen the mother's boyfriend.

Wendy (25:33.806)
no, we have. We've seen him. A long time ago. No, we've seen him. No, no, we have seen him.

We Wine Whenever (25:35.839)
when oh i don't remember that okay but that's that's something that's been brewing under the surface since day one of that show and and they gave us a lot more information this episode than they ever did like the reason she doesn't like him is because of his alcoholism or perceived alcoholism yeah 23 years

Wendy (25:46.338)
Yes, it has been.

Wendy (25:59.874)
Yeah, we didn't know about that. We did know that he doesn't work and doesn't contribute financially. We've always known that because Michael's, you that's what Kelly and I both think. We think so based on her age and based on, you know, she looks exactly like her mom.

We Wine Whenever (26:10.526)
Is he the father of her sister?

Wendy (26:24.268)
So I think that she is the father of her sister.

We Wine Whenever (26:28.126)
But her mother...

like oblivious to everything. Listen, love is a very, very powerful thing. But if you've got 23 years of your family not accepting the person that you're with, there's a lot underlying in that situation.

Wendy (26:53.04)
there definitely is. There definitely is. I'm surprised that Uncle Lump hasn't jumped in on this and put his foot down, because I feel like he's the only one she may listen to. And I'm thinking that's her brother.

We Wine Whenever (26:54.419)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (27:07.364)
Right? Yes, yes it is. They look alike when you see them together. But the thing is...

Wendy (27:13.452)
Yeah, they do. They do.

We Wine Whenever (27:19.422)
just because I lost my thought. But it's, it's gotta be tough. 20 some odd years and, and he's never worked. Your family doesn't like him. What is he offering her? And it broke my heart when she said, when Ashley was saying that you work, you know, two jobs and she goes, yeah, but I like to work. So it's like, it's almost like a lifetime of mental abuse that she's gone through. And I loved her mom.

Wendy (27:32.045)
Yeah.

Wendy (27:41.165)
Yeah.

Wendy (27:46.926)
She doesn't know any different. No, I do too. She doesn't know any different. And you know, she even tells us that, you know, she just threw up the other day and she was throwing up blood. Like these are probably, yes, like these are serious things. She needs to get, she needs to get medical, you know, attention. She needs to have these things checked out.

We Wine Whenever (27:48.604)
No, I love her mom.

We Wine Whenever (27:57.497)
She's, there's something wrong, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (28:07.857)
But Ashley can't contribute this illness to the boyfriend. One's got nothing to do with the other.

Wendy (28:15.454)
No, but he's not doing anything to help her.

We Wine Whenever (28:19.937)
I just just don't understand that if you love somebody you drop everything and if they're sick everything you drop and you take care of them.

Wendy (28:20.418)
Right.

Wendy (28:25.635)
Right.

Wendy (28:30.093)
Right.

Yeah, I mean, I feel bad for Ashley in this situation because like she said, she's never had a dad and this is the only parent she has and I don't blame her. No one wants to see their mother treated poorly. Nobody does.

We Wine Whenever (28:32.989)
said.

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (28:42.909)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (28:47.832)
No. And Ashley too, when she went to her father and they even showed a clip of that when she went to his house a couple of years ago. How he wouldn't even answer the door. I mean, okay, maybe you don't want to be, you know, broadsided by TV cameras at your front door, but you could reach out to her the next day.

Wendy (28:55.075)
Yeah.

Wendy (29:08.184)
Right, and he never did. He never did.

We Wine Whenever (29:09.925)
never did. No, I just, I just don't understand how someone could have a child and not have them in their life. I just, it just does not.

Wendy (29:18.294)
No, I don't. I don't either. And he's since passed. He just passed away a couple months ago. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (29:23.076)
Yeah, recently.

I feel bad for Ashley, do. I'm so happy that she's got her mom.

Wendy (29:29.015)
I do too.

Wendy (29:32.91)
So then we see Wendy goes over to Jassy's house and Darius is there. That's her NFL football husband, because she's the one who just got married. Yes, yes. No, I guess because he's probably busy. I think that he plays in Texas because that's where the wedding was. So I think he's mostly in Texas when, you know.

We Wine Whenever (29:40.337)
handsome NFL football husband.

We Wine Whenever (29:46.855)
They don't show enough of him.

We Wine Whenever (29:51.633)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (30:00.529)
But aren't they going to Colorado or is that somebody else? They live in Colorado. Okay. Too many people, too many new people on this show. got to.

Wendy (30:03.882)
No, that's Angel. Angel. Angel's Colorado.

Wendy (30:10.423)
Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (30:15.384)
So, Jazzy's upset how Stacey's being treated and she's coming over also. So she's gonna have a talk and try and find out what's going on. Stacey gets there and she wants to know what happened after she left the event. And they said, well, what happened was that Giselle, again, like just started, you know,

bad-mouthing Stacey more. Like, that's basically what happened.

We Wine Whenever (30:47.91)
She's a real punching bag this year. Well, last year too. Is she still on QVC?

Wendy (30:50.583)
Yeah.

Wendy (30:56.714)
No, no she's not. No she's not. So while Stacey and Jassy and Wendy are at one place, invites over Giselle, Ashley, Kiarna and Tia over. So at the same time, the other group is kind of like talking about the same issues. Angel talks about how she thinks. Yes, where there's two different sides.

We Wine Whenever (31:18.372)
It's starting to turn into a New Jersey with the separate, yeah.

Wendy (31:23.542)
I hate that, I so hate that. Can't you guys just be all friends and get along?

We Wine Whenever (31:28.12)
Even if you're not like really good friends, at least you can be at the same events, you know?

Wendy (31:34.422)
Yeah, right, right.

We Wine Whenever (31:36.612)
And because we saw from New Jersey that it doesn't work and Andy said, we're not doing that again. So these ladies in Potomac need to check themselves when it comes to that.

Wendy (31:42.327)
No.

Wendy (31:48.886)
I agree. So Angel tells them that she thinks she found a house in Potomac because she's the one who also has the big house in Colorado and she was looking for something and she thinks she may have found one that's moving ready. So we'll have to wait and see what happens.

We Wine Whenever (32:05.916)
I loved in the previews when they were previewing their trip to Colorado. I felt bad, but her house is like an hour from the airport, but the toilets aren't working, the water's not working, and it sounds like it's gonna be a real cluster. That'll be something good to look forward to.

Wendy (32:21.198)
Yeah, it does.

Wendy (32:24.886)
Yeah, it's true. Stacey's saying back at Jazzy's house, I don't understand why Kay was screaming at me, like something that she heard from somebody else. Like I didn't even get a chance to explain like what happened. And she didn't, she didn't.

We Wine Whenever (32:42.201)
And she handles the abuse with grace.

Wendy (32:45.646)
100%. Yeah, because she doesn't get rattled. She doesn't get rattled. She just calmly like removes herself or, you know. And Wendy said, I think you're her favorite toy in the toy box, which I don't disagree with. I really don't.

We Wine Whenever (32:47.099)
I wouldn't do that. No.

We Wine Whenever (32:59.735)
No, but it's horrible the way she's treated.

Wendy (33:09.176)
Giselle on the other side is talking about Monique and you know, Monique and Giselle did not get along when Monique was on last time. They really did not get along at all. But the fact that Monique came back and they want to take down Stacey, Giselle is like trying to bond with her. And Monique's not having it.

We Wine Whenever (33:32.058)
Not just they didn't get along, they hated each other. There was a lot of animosity the last time. It was...

Wendy (33:36.28)
Yeah.

Wendy (33:41.466)
I love the way Monique handles it. She does not let them get, make her get riled up about Stacey. I like that.

We Wine Whenever (33:49.367)
No, Mo'Nique was was one of my favorites. I say was because of what's recently happened. And they got more charges hit against them the other day. Did you hear that?

Wendy (33:53.325)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (34:02.811)
They found credit cards with false names on them or something. There were like eight different credit cards with eight different names that they applied for.

Wendy (34:02.945)
Monique?

Wendy (34:08.614)
no, I didn't hear that.

Wendy (34:13.473)
you're talking about Wendy?

We Wine Whenever (34:15.279)
Yeah, Wendy.

Wendy (34:16.844)
Wendy. yeah, no, I did hear that. There was a lot of them. I think it was like 40 or something ridiculous. It was a crazy number. Yeah, no, it was a crazy number.

We Wine Whenever (34:19.44)
Yeah.

40?

That whole thing blows me away because of the image that they projected. He's an attorney. She's got all these degrees. When I think what happened was remember all those jobs that she had the first season that she was on where she was a commentator on the news and all of that. I think that brought in a lot of cash. And when she left those, I mean, she was a professor, not just did she have a salary, she was probably carrying good benefits.

Wendy (34:41.475)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (34:54.233)
medical benefits, universities and education have extremely good benefits and not just medical, all types of tuition assistance. It's just unbelievable. And she, think that they lost all of that. This is just my guess. When she stopped doing all those other jobs and they got in financial trouble and I can't believe that that's the route that they went.

Wendy (35:04.418)
Yeah.

Wendy (35:10.626)
When she left. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (35:22.754)
instead of getting other jobs.

Wendy (35:22.797)
I know.

Wendy (35:26.658)
Yeah, I know. I can't either. I really can't. I'm curious to see what happens. I'm curious to see. I mean, I think that they've hired some very high profile attorneys. I don't know exactly who they hired, but I heard Bravo Docket, think, was talking about it. I honestly don't remember. But I do know that they're already making a motion that

We Wine Whenever (35:29.558)
It hurts me. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (35:46.148)
Did they hire Barry Slotnick?

Wendy (35:55.918)
that the search was illegal, the stuff that they, they're trying to get the whole case thrown out. And it's not that they're saying they didn't do it, they're just saying it's a technicality.

We Wine Whenever (36:08.538)
And unfortunately, sometimes that works, or fortunately. But you know what? If you did the crime, the time.

Wendy (36:14.029)
Yeah.

Wendy (36:18.562)
That's it. Yep, that's it.

We Wine Whenever (36:21.422)
And then she'll be back on Bravo with the Rays. They're gonna, they gotta have their own show.

Wendy (36:24.536)
Yeah.

Wendy (36:32.59)
So the next thing we see is Greg's house and Kiana's there. Greg is not there, but he's away. No, he was celebrating his friend's birthday. He wasn't there.

We Wine Whenever (36:32.6)
Housewife.

We Wine Whenever (36:41.325)
He was outside, he was out back.

We Wine Whenever (36:48.105)
out walking with the kids by the lake.

Wendy (36:50.85)
I have no idea. Because then her brother shows up and then her mother shows up and we find

We Wine Whenever (36:52.268)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (36:56.409)
That brother could be on more often. He's a handsome man.

Wendy (37:00.364)
Yeah, yeah, so they're Irish twins, her and her brother. I didn't know that. Her mom is gorgeous. Her mom is gorgeous. So she wants to give them an update, her mom and her brother, that Greg, you know, wants her to move back in. And she says she's happy about it.

We Wine Whenever (37:03.863)
Yeah, her mom's beautiful too.

Wendy (37:24.642)
And her mother is like, what are you doing? Like you moved out for a reason. She's like, well, he'll buy my condo. He said he'll buy, he'll purchase the condo.

We Wine Whenever (37:33.571)
She threw three things out to her family. The purchasing of the condo, moving back in and giving her back the ring. And all of a sudden it's like, what? It's like, you know, she hit the wood too much all at once. It's not, it doesn't sound like it's a positive, moving in a positive direction. She should move really slow.

Wendy (37:49.91)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (38:01.462)
And I don't, didn't remember what the story of the condo was. She had to buy it was, is that her landlord was selling it or.

Wendy (38:09.144)
Well, no, she had moved out of her place because she was moving into his house. And then she did move into his house and it just wasn't a good situation. they weren't, it was basically he didn't want to film. He didn't like filming. He was very uncomfortable on camera. He just wasn't there for filming basically is what it came down to. Then she went and bought the condo.

We Wine Whenever (38:32.052)
Right, but the condo, that's the condo part I didn't understand.

Wendy (38:36.82)
She had to buy a condo when she moved out because she didn't have any place to live.

We Wine Whenever (38:41.792)
about me buying her condo.

Wendy (38:44.214)
He's gonna buy the condo that she just bought.

We Wine Whenever (38:47.56)
buy it from her. I thought he was buying a condo for her to live in. Okay. That's what was confusing me. Okay.

Wendy (38:49.354)
Yes, yes.

No, no, no, no, no, the one that she just bought. The one that she just bought. He's gonna pay for it.

I don't know, what's gonna do with it? Is he gonna rent it out? Like, why is he gonna buy it? Like, you own this condo, she has her own business, like, you need to just do you. Like, you need to be good with you and stand on your own. And if he gets his shit together and, like, don't settle. I feel like she's settling.

We Wine Whenever (39:20.318)
There's so much to that story we don't know. Like what happened? Why did they split up? What was the cause of it?

Wendy (39:31.287)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (39:31.339)
Yeah, was a lot on there was a lot on said.

Wendy (39:34.51)
I mean, the whole time her mom is, she's talking, her mom's sitting there shaking her head no the entire time. I was like,

We Wine Whenever (39:40.231)
Her mother didn't even let her get a sentence out. Her mother knows her so well and she's just like, and the brother too.

Wendy (39:47.81)
Yep. Yep. Her mother said, yeah, your brother. Yep. She's like, you moved out for a reason. Like don't, don't go back on the reasons. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (39:51.607)
There's one thing, but you gotta listen to your siblings.

We Wine Whenever (40:01.451)
Don't forget that reason. Yeah.

Wendy (40:06.966)
And it's been three years. That's the other thing her mother mentioned. Three years is a long time.

We Wine Whenever (40:12.121)
I the way they were talking it's I thought it was like six months

Wendy (40:16.086)
No, it's three years since they started dating. Like they've been together for three years. Like it's not like, you know, this is like a year, year and a half thing. Like this has been going on for three years.

We Wine Whenever (40:26.483)
At the three year mark, you should know what's going on. At the three year mark, you should know if this is going to be a forever relationship.

Wendy (40:31.212)
Yes.

Wendy (40:38.338)
Yeah, I totally agree. I totally agree.

We Wine Whenever (40:38.924)
Yeah. And then what happens is in her head, she's going, well, I'm this age, I'm approaching 40, I'm approaching 50. That's a long three years. I don't want to give up. And then you spent your life like Ashley's mother with the wrong person.

Wendy (40:57.336)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. Then the next thing we see is Wendy's house and her sister Ivy shows up and then her mom comes over. But she wanted to talk to her before her mom got there because she wanted to bring up about her father not calling her on her birthday and how she was really hurt about that.

We Wine Whenever (41:21.399)
You haven't seen the man in 30 years.

Wendy (41:25.11)
I know, like that didn't make sense to me.

We Wine Whenever (41:26.985)
It didn't make sense. don't understand why that's a storyline.

Wendy (41:32.342)
It didn't make sense to me.

We Wine Whenever (41:32.587)
He didn't call you on your birthday. He also didn't see you at Christmas time.

Wendy (41:35.672)
Right.

Wendy (41:39.906)
when she was in Nigeria for over a month with her whole family.

We Wine Whenever (41:40.001)
kid.

A month! You're mad him about a phone call and you're in the same country he's in for a month because he lives in Nigeria.

Wendy (41:50.838)
Yeah, it made no sense. It made no sense at all.

We Wine Whenever (41:53.087)
No. No.

Wendy (41:57.98)
Then her mom shows up and...

know, Wendy's telling her mom how she was hurt about the dad thing, and her mother's like, your father could have had 200 children if he wanted to, but you know what? Your father can only have one Wendy. And I'm glad she said that to her, because you know, Wendy's like chasing his love.

We Wine Whenever (42:20.319)
The sister is not this. But the sister doesn't, that's not her father.

Wendy (42:25.91)
No, it is, it is, but her sister's not bothered by it. Wendy is bothered by it. Ivy wasn't bothered by it. Like Ivy doesn't, like we both said, like they don't expect anything from him because he couldn't even visit when they were in Nigeria. She hasn't seen him in over 20 years. Like she doesn't expect anything, but it bothers Wendy.

We Wine Whenever (42:30.134)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (42:50.134)
I don't know that feeling of parental abandonment, but it's got to be horrible, you know.

Wendy (42:56.812)
Hmm. Yeah, no, I imagine it is, but I mean, I don't know. I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (43:00.502)
Yeah.

Wendy (43:06.946)
I can't imagine what he's thinking now. You know what I'm saying?

We Wine Whenever (43:09.846)
I just can't imagine not seeing your father your whole life. Like has she ever seen him? Has she ever had an in-person relationship with him?

Wendy (43:19.214)
Well, 20 years, she said it's been 20 years. mean, 20 years is a long time. It's a long time.

We Wine Whenever (43:22.806)
20 years, Yeah. Get over, get over the phone. No phone call. Did you call him and make sure he's okay and not laying dead in the hospital or something?

Wendy (43:28.887)
Right.

Wendy (43:33.815)
Right.

Wendy (43:40.782)
So the next thing we see is Ashley goes to a restaurant and she's at a table for five and Kiana is the first one to show up and then Wendy, Stacey and Monique, they're all gonna be there. And Monique shows up but she has no idea what she's walking into but she knows who she's dealing with, which I really liked hearing her say that. Like she's going in there with open eyes.

We Wine Whenever (44:09.322)
Because you don't know how she knew Stacey before that. Like what was their relationship, if any.

Wendy (44:09.677)
So before Wendy.

Wendy (44:15.416)
Well, she didn't know Stacey. Monique didn't know Stacey before that.

We Wine Whenever (44:20.745)
but Stacy knew her husband.

See, it wasn't clear to me.

Wendy (44:27.904)
I don't think that Stacey knew her husband when Chris and Monique were together.

We Wine Whenever (44:38.165)
That whole separation with Chris and Monique blew me away. I really thought that they were a forever couple. I really did.

Wendy (44:38.584)
Because beef

Wendy (44:45.73)
Well, like she said, it looked good. Like it looked good on TV, but that's not really what it was, you know?

We Wine Whenever (44:48.553)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (44:51.933)
Yeah, I was very surprised because he seemed like such a good husband.

Wendy (44:57.09)
Well, the fact that he didn't stick up to his mother though, mean his mother treated her like garbage.

We Wine Whenever (45:02.407)
Yeah, I know, but you know what? You can't get between a man and his mother.

Wendy (45:08.13)
Yeah, but a mother shouldn't get between a husband and... Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (45:08.573)
Listen, I had a good mother-in-law.

We Wine Whenever (45:13.855)
But that was tough watching that. I mean, she really came out and said, you're a gold digger. You're a gold digger. You're after his money.

Wendy (45:17.858)
That was tough watching.

Yeah.

Wendy (45:25.398)
Meanwhile, she'd given him two children at that point.

We Wine Whenever (45:28.617)
But she still may have been a gold digger. Like we don't know what happened with the, you know, did she have a prenup? I don't think we got any of that story, but that's okay. That's her own personal business and there's two kids involved.

Wendy (45:39.97)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (45:45.783)
Right, exactly.

We Wine Whenever (45:46.121)
I don't think we've seen the end of Chris Samuel's though.

Wendy (45:49.934)
We'll have to wait and see, So before Wendy and Stacey get there, Ashley and Kiana tell Monique what happened and Monique calmly says, I don't even know what the truth is because you're dealing with people who don't always tell the truth. And she's really referring to Cookie. Because this is all coming from Cookie. And Chris. And Chris. Right.

We Wine Whenever (45:52.404)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (46:13.404)
And again, they didn't give Cookie enough of a backstory, yeah.

Wendy (46:20.268)
Monique specifically said, anyway, with her lying ass and the whole thing turns into a story that's all mixed up. So she knows that Cookie's involved in this and she doesn't trust Cookie. And she made that very clear as soon as Wendy brought up Cookie's name to her. the fact that Chris Samuels, and she has problems co-parenting with him to begin with.

We Wine Whenever (46:49.138)
When she said that they had problems co-parenting in my head, like, I don't look at Chris Samuels as somebody who would be fighting her to get more time with his kids. You know what I'm saying?

Wendy (47:02.018)
Well, if he's being spiteful, if it's just about being spiteful, you know?

We Wine Whenever (47:04.752)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (47:08.476)
And we have no idea any background of that separation divorce because they weren't on TV when it happened.

Wendy (47:15.798)
Right, no they weren't. And honestly, like, again, does it really, you know, does it really matter? Because I like that Monique is saying.

We Wine Whenever (47:16.616)
there.

We Wine Whenever (47:23.42)
Listen, she showed another side of she showed another side of herself when she had that fight

Wendy (47:31.459)
yeah.

We Wine Whenever (47:32.273)
You know, hey, she's from down here, man. She's she's from the streets of Pleasantville and nothing pleasant about Pleasantville. OK, I'll tell you that right now. Pleasantville is Atlantic City with with sidewalks.

Wendy (47:34.317)
No, she did.

Wendy (47:40.814)
you

Wendy (47:49.473)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (47:54.14)
I would drive through Atlantic City at night. I would not drive through Pleasantville at night.

We Wine Whenever (48:01.396)
Yeah, it's yeah, it looks nice when you drive through it during the day. I mean it looked but it's not.

Wendy (48:01.4)
Really? That bad,

Wendy (48:06.455)
I I'm

Wendy (48:13.496)
So when Wendy brings up Cherise's name that Cherise called Chris Samuels and she said, did Stacey call you yes or no? And Chris said no. As soon as Monique heard Cherise's name, she made a face like no. So she doesn't believe Cherise. She doesn't believe Cookie. And she's not going to allow you to manipulate her to do your dirty work because that is what they are trying to do. That's what they're trying to do.

We Wine Whenever (48:41.576)
Yep. And what do they do with Cherise? I wish I'd bring her back. Because you want somebody that could stir the pot, bring Cherise back. She's the queen of that.

Wendy (48:53.878)
know what happened with Sharice. really don't know why why they fired her. I mean she was originally the one who started it.

We Wine Whenever (48:58.215)
The the OGs got all swept out one year. Yeah. One year, bunch of them got swept out. I don't remember why, but she had, she went through the divorce. Her husband moved to New Jersey. Her husband's a Rutgers coach or was. Yeah.

Wendy (49:17.112)
Well, he was then. Yeah, yeah, he was when they were going through the divorce. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (49:22.278)
Yeah, I don't know, but I like her.

stir stuff up. She's real good at it.

Wendy (49:31.886)
She does stir stuff up. You're right though. There's way too many, there's too many cast of characters in this one. So we have Charisse, we

We Wine Whenever (49:33.234)
Yep.

We Wine Whenever (49:37.776)
I'm looking at the photo behind you, there's seven. There's seven permanent cast members behind your head and there's gotta be three friends of.

Wendy (49:47.736)
Yeah. mean, the fact that they bring Monique back, Cherise, Vivian, Jassy, that's four that are not in the picture behind me.

We Wine Whenever (49:47.762)
You know.

We Wine Whenever (49:57.392)
Yeah. And what's the name of the one on the left? The British lady. care. Tia. And the other one's Angel.

Wendy (50:03.554)
Tia, Tia, yeah. Angel, yeah. And I like Tia, to be quite honest with you. Kiorna.

We Wine Whenever (50:09.004)
Angel and Kiara. Yeah, I like her a lot and I'm not seeing enough of her.

She's got a good story and we're not seeing it. You know, from Nigeria raised in England, I want to know more about her background. You know, Nigerian culture fascinates me. And I love when they, know, Wendy and her mom talked about it. I learned a lot and I really would like to know more. Because whether or not they're living here, you know, your culture still, you know,

Wendy (50:19.662)
Yeah, I agree. I would like to see more of it to you.

Yeah.

I do too.

Wendy (50:46.83)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (50:47.589)
affects how you run your everyday life. And I just think it's really interesting. I'd like to see more about that.

Wendy (50:53.974)
I would too, I would too. So, I mean, like I said, we're already on episode nine. Every episode has been a Stacy pylon, all nine so far. I am so over the Stacy pylon. They need to do something else. I'm looking forward to something fun, something light. I don't know that we're gonna get it. I don't know, I really don't.

We Wine Whenever (51:20.39)
Well, I agree with you. I don't like the way they pile on Stacey. I really like her a lot, but we're going to lose a lot of these people because Karen Huger's back. And it's going to be all about Karen next season. We're going to hear Karen, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, let me go. You know, she's going to plead and cry and, you know, she's going to make amends like she's turning over a new leaf and then she'll be back to her.

you know, her messy self again. But what I'm not going to like is her and Giselle being friendly. I loved when those two butted heads. Remember when Giselle and Ashley went over to the house with a pizza? Because they didn't, and Robin was there, how they didn't believe, I wish they'd bring Robin back.

Wendy (52:04.939)
and Robin.

We Wine Whenever (52:11.462)
Why do they have Robin at BravoCon, but they're not bringing her back on the show?

Wendy (52:16.398)
Because Robin was in traders.

We Wine Whenever (52:20.434)
okay. That's why they brought her back. Okay.

Wendy (52:25.826)
That's why she was at BravoCon, because they had a whole traders panel.

We Wine Whenever (52:29.284)
Okay, all right. I still haven't watched. I started watching it. have not watched it from the beginning. I started watching it maybe once one or two seasons ago. That's what we they all live in the castle, right?

Wendy (52:30.882)
Did you watch, traders?

Wendy (52:45.174)
Yes, yes. I only watched last season.

We Wine Whenever (52:46.319)
Listen, I don't really like those.

competition shows Special forces I have gone back and watched all all four seasons on in demand That's a real show They're not doing fit, you know, like traders that do stupid competitions Traders you're in a moving boat jumping out and grabbing the thing of a helicopter and then you got to pull yourself into the helicopter

Wendy (52:58.818)
you have.

Wendy (53:02.391)
Yeah.

Wendy (53:18.734)
Special Forces, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (53:19.055)
That's some real stuff. People have to, if you haven't seen Special Forces, go watch it. It's unbelievable. I started watching it this season because I wanted to see Teresa get her butt kicked and Cody Brown. I don't like either one of them. And I walked at him there with such an appreciation of Gia, who I never liked. I liked her when she was a kid. I couldn't stand her on Real Housewives.

I have such an appreciation of her. went back and started watching next gen, which I didn't watch because I don't like her. She blew me away on that show. I'm so glad her mother got kicked off her left in the beginning because she really flourished on her own. And I hope this is a lesson for her that you don't need your mother. She was amazing on that show.

Wendy (54:07.586)
Yeah, I totally agree with you. I did watch Next Gen. I thought she was okay on Next Gen. The first season, she really wasn't as big of a personality as she was on Special Forces or as Ariana was on Next Gen. Because if you watch Next Gen, Ariana's a star. Okay, Ariana's the star of Next Gen, in my opinion.

We Wine Whenever (54:27.12)
I've only seen one episode, yeah.

Wendy (54:34.766)
And Riley, I like Riley and R, I like both of them. I really like, mean, gee, it was fine too, but just not, not just such a presence. So I agree with you 100%. And I know Kelly's not gonna watch it. I tried to get my son to recap Next Gen with me. We did one episode, I think. Now he said that he will.

We Wine Whenever (54:53.744)
I love that show, remember that. Your son did such a great job.

Wendy (54:56.95)
Yeah, thank you. Thank you. So I think what we're gonna do, him and I, he said that he didn't want his own podcast, because we started his own podcast for him, Rouge and Review. But I think maybe Maddie and I will do next gen reviews on We Wine Whenever, because Kelly doesn't want to watch it, and I do. we both watched it, Maddie and I both watched it, so why not review it?

So I think that's what we're gonna try next time it comes out. We'll see what the schedule looks like.

We Wine Whenever (55:28.826)
Good. Good.

Yeah, I'm surprised. I thought they were going to go to different locations, but it sounds like they might just do with, you know, the same or part of the same cast. OK.

Wendy (55:41.796)
I think they're going to get one in LA. I think they're going to get one in LA too. I think there's going to be one in LA. I think they're working on that right now. And it'll be, guess, next gen. Yeah, she was awesome.

We Wine Whenever (55:49.004)
Okay. All right. But yeah, Gia, for me to say I like somebody from that family, that's a lot because you've heard me trash that family. Unlike any of them. Gia blew me away.

Wendy (56:07.074)
Yeah, I totally agree.

We Wine Whenever (56:07.415)
I loved it the end. I'm not even five feet tall. was nothing better than seeing the finale aired weeks ago. So I'm not giving anything. There's nothing better than seeing two short girls win that show. Two girls about my same height winning that show. Chicks rule. Yes, they were. Yes, they were. My only regret is that Cody Brown went so far. I can't stand him. That man has not one redeeming quality.

Wendy (56:22.286)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (56:25.976)
Two little powerhouses. Yep, two little powerhouses.

We Wine Whenever (56:36.491)
And I wish those drill sergeants really gave him more of a hard time because they didn't do enough in my book.

Wendy (56:44.884)
No, they seemed okay with him. And the fact that they even said to him at the end, you made it. I'm like, no, he didn't make it. No, no, he's, no. And I don't like to not root for somebody, but he was the only one that I felt like I didn't want to see him at the end. He was the only one that I.

We Wine Whenever (56:48.673)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (56:53.924)
Yeah.

I did horrible.

We Wine Whenever (57:06.563)
Did you hear him on Nick Viall?

Wendy (57:10.071)
I did not.

We Wine Whenever (57:12.099)
Nick Vial had the whole cast on last week or the week before. It's pretty good. You should listen to it.

Wendy (57:19.178)
Okay, I'll go back and listen to it.

We Wine Whenever (57:21.772)
And he didn't say it on the podcast, but Cody said that his wife didn't go with him to the finale party or the dinner, whatever, because she would have punched out chicken fry.

Wendy (57:35.343)
I heard Brianna say that. she's Brianna. I heard her say that someplace. Yeah. I'm like.

We Wine Whenever (57:37.293)
Yeah.

Like, you're lucky Chicken Fry talked to you. He should have... Right! And he was treating her like crap. He treats women like crap, we all know. Anybody who's watched the Sister Wives show knows he doesn't like women. He treats them like, like chattel. Yeah.

Wendy (57:44.108)
Yeah, she was the only one that was nice to him. She was handling him.

Wendy (58:00.301)
Yep.

We Wine Whenever (58:02.935)
Yep, I'm sorry he lasted so long in that show.

Wendy (58:06.85)
Me too, me too. So thank you for doing this with me, Gina. Until next time.

We Wine Whenever (58:07.95)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (58:12.427)
It was a pleasure any time and I hope my cousin Kelly's feeling better.

Wendy (58:18.626)
Thank you. Thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye.

We Wine Whenever (58:25.645)
Bye bye.