RHOP - Reunion Part 1-10 Seasons, Zero Chill

Wendy (00:01.038)
Hi, welcome to We Why Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.203)
I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:05.932)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Potomac Season 10, Reunion Part 1. We'll start out with a review of their dresses. So I love when they do a theme. I really think it makes the whole set look cohesive. I like that they did the horse theme because there were so many horse activities this season. I love the ladies in red.

Kelli (00:25.24)
Yes.

Kelli (00:30.914)
Yeah.

Wendy (00:36.546)
Kelli (00:36.736)
I think that they all looked beautiful in this color. All the old, you know, in their individual shades. I think they all look beautiful in red, basically. I do like Kiarna and Stacey's shade of red a little bit better, but I like Wendy's dress the best. Sans the feathers.

Wendy (00:41.55)
I do too.

Wendy (00:57.3)
Yes, I do not like the feathers. I actually, think I like actually Stacey's dress the best. I mean, it looks like it's extremely heavy. All that beating. I think that Tia's was horrible. I'm sorry to say.

Kelli (00:59.575)
Nah.

Kelli (01:08.194)
Yes, all that beating, I would imagine.

Kelli (01:15.362)
I feel like Tia's was a mess, I agree. I feel like Tia's was a mess. I don't love the, I don't know what they call it. I'm sure there's a name for it, but when it looks like skin. But there's really material there.

Wendy (01:30.316)
Right. But it wasn't. Yeah, there's really fat. Like it looks like a cutout, but it's not. Like it's really, yeah.

Kelli (01:35.294)
Yeah, I'm not a fan of that. Even on Say Yes to the Dress, when I watch that and some of these dresses have that, some of them you don't, you can't see the material at all. Some of them it's just so apparent and I feel like Tia's was so apparent.

Wendy (01:51.83)
Yeah, I did too. I just didn't love it for her. I also thought it was very interesting that when Stacey came out, Ashley said that, you know, hers was a Nigerian designer. And Ashley said, that's what I wore last reunion. And Andy's like, the same dress? She's like, no, the same designer. And they showed Ashley's dress, and it was very similar to Stacey's dress.

Kelli (01:55.491)
Yeah.

Kelli (02:19.063)
very similar.

very, very similar.

Wendy (02:22.094)
I like that. I like that they give it, I like that they do, you know, smaller designers and give them credit. I would have liked if she said the name of the Nigerian designer. Right.

Kelli (02:31.202)
was just going to say, they had this whole conversation, say the name of the designer for crying out loud. And I watched it on Peacock. So normally you get a little bit more. They didn't say it. Yeah.

Wendy (02:36.542)
Right. Exactly. I did too. I did too. And I've been trying to do that with the reunion because like you said, we get a little bit more, right?

Kelli (02:45.548)
Yeah, for sure.

Wendy (02:49.528)
So we start out with a scene from 2020 and the introduction of Wendy Aceffo. And then we see some other clips of Dr. Wendy throughout the years. And then on October 9th, 2025, we see that Wendy was arrested on multiple fraud charges in Maryland. October 16th, one week after the arrest, we are at Dr. Wendy's house.

and Wendy and Eddie are sitting there and they're talking and it's been a week since the actual arrest and Wendy, you can see she's distraught. She says she's like walking around the house. It doesn't feel like the same house.

Kelli (03:31.064)
She's talking very low. She's talking very slow. She's just, you know, you could tell she's in her head. I did notice though that big gigantic rock on her hand though. Did you notice that?

Wendy (03:45.694)
No, I didn't. I did not. I did not.

Kelli (03:48.192)
The ring on her hand, I can't even begin to imagine how many carats that diamond was. I don't, I feel like she should not have been wearing that during this filming scene.

Wendy (04:02.078)
No. Do you think it was real after all this? Like how could it be real?

Kelli (04:07.158)
It's a great question. I don't know. It's a great question. yeah, I mean, it was a big old ring. And I just thought, geez Louise, with all these allegations and everything they're saying, I don't think I would have, I wouldn't have worn any jewelry. I wouldn't have worn, you know, maybe some small stud earrings. That's it.

Wendy (04:10.23)
I didn't see it. Now I'm going to have to go back and look at it.

Wendy (04:32.62)
No, I totally agree. mean, a lot of it has to do with designer bags and jewelry, expensive jewelry. So yeah, I wouldn't either. mean, you know, she says she feels like it's a bad dream. Like she's crying while she's talking about it. You know, while she was in the holding cell, Eddie said that he heard her talking to her sister on the phone and she could hear Cam's voice, her daughter.

Kelli (04:39.586)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (05:00.0)
and Cam was so excited to hear her mom and she had no idea where she was because she's just a baby. I mean, she was just born in 2020, just before she started filming. And she said that, you know, she's scared for her kids because they're innocent. And then we find out, I felt horrible about her son, Carter.

Kelli (05:22.905)
my gosh, that was terrible.

Wendy (05:25.868)
I mean, he's the oldest. When this happened, she was sleeping, she was taking a nap. Eddie came in and said, you know, the police are here. As soon as she realized what was going on, she immediately called her mom and sister and said, please get the kids from school. And, you know, they're spending the night at her parents, at her mom's house and her sister, I guess, I don't know, they live together or whatever. Right, they were both there.

Kelli (05:49.752)
They were both there.

Wendy (05:53.452)
But her oldest son is like, this is not right. Like, what's going on? This isn't normal. So he has a phone. I mean, he's 11. So he looks on his phone and he sees everything. And like Wendy said, what really got her was the fact that he held this information and slept with it. Didn't mention it to her mom or her sister. Went to school the next day, still holding this.

And then when she picked him up, she could see it in his eyes. And when she told that story, it brought me back. I'll be honest with you. It brought me back to the time that we found out about our neighbor passing. Yeah, because I got the phone call. I knew it happened. I was waiting for him to get home. I was waiting for my kids to get home from school.

Kelli (06:38.327)
god.

Ugh.

Wendy (06:51.476)
I didn't know that Mark knew already and met them when they got off the bus before they walked into my house. And we had already planned to go to Wendy's after school and to get food. And we were at Wendy's and we got food and then we got home and I just saw it in their eyes and they just broke down and they knew it already. They knew it.

And I was like, I know that feeling. I know that feeling. I know that feeling. And it brought me right there. It totally brought me right there. And that's what Wendy said was like, you know, she's promised that she'll never lie to her kids. And that's what she did say when they were going to BravoCon. know, like we, you know, we face, we have to face hard things. Like this is, this is something that's hard. We're going to have to go through it.

Kelli (07:30.764)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (07:50.808)
but she lets him know anytime something's gonna come out, anytime they go to court. So he's not blindsided. And that's what we want for our kids. But honestly, it hit me. It hit me right here because I was like, my God. I know the feeling. I know the feeling. yeah, I know the feeling. It was a very real conversation, I thought too, when Wendy said like,

Kelli (08:04.462)
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it brings you right back.

Wendy (08:20.044)
I'm not the same person. I don't know if we're gonna make it through this to Eddie. And Eddie's like, he's like, listen, we've made it this far. We've made it 15 years. I think we're gonna be okay. We have to kind of give this up to God.

Kelli (08:37.23)
Well, here's the thing with that question. Do you think we're gonna make it through? Well, that depends. Was it?

Wendy (08:39.992)
Yeah.

Wendy (08:46.242)
Yeah. Right.

Kelli (08:46.314)
These are all allegations, but was it one person's idea and the other person went along with it? Were you both on board with this? Was one person like, hell no, we shouldn't do this? That's what it comes down to. It's just like Teresa and Joe. Teresa claims she didn't know anything. Listen, you and I have differing opinions on that. But.

Wendy (08:55.747)
Right.

Wendy (09:08.692)
I don't think she knew anything. I don't think she's that smart.

Kelli (09:12.07)
She, you know, they didn't make it because she does blame him for putting her in that position. then, listen, I'm not a Teresa fan, but the poor woman lost her mother six months after she got out of prison. She lost a whole year with her mother. I'd be furious. So that circumstance warranted, fuck yeah, like no, we're not gonna make this. I'm sorry. There's way too much resentment. So I think that's what it comes down to with Eddie and Mundy. Like, if this is true.

Wendy (09:33.303)
Right.

Kelli (09:40.458)
if the allegations are true, what circumstances was it under? And for her to ask him that question leads me to believe that they're guilty, doesn't it?

I mean, why would you even ask that question? Like, listen, if you're innocent, you're innocent. If you're innocent, you're not gonna go to jail. You're not gonna, you know, this is gonna go away.

Wendy (09:54.914)
Well, I mean.

Wendy (10:06.254)
I know. I just think it's just so much. I mean, there's so many counts. There's 16 counts.

Kelli (10:14.062)
There's a lot going on here. There's a lot going on here.

Wendy (10:16.108)
There's a lot.

Wendy (10:20.588)
I don't know. I agree with you. think it does.

Kelli (10:21.858)
I mean, what'd they say? Up to 10 years in prison?

Wendy (10:26.684)
Yeah, per count.

Kelli (10:29.098)
Wendy (10:30.754)
count. But they do tend to merge it, like they do tend to do it concurrently. And it's interesting because very rarely do you see them, do you see judges give people the maximum? But I just saw this very recently. I'm going to bring up a recent local case. Not that it's the same case, but it was a local teacher that abused, that abused

Kelli (10:37.837)
Right.

Wendy (10:59.99)
abused a child, a high school and middle school child. And she got the maximum, even though there's no priors. And the judge said the reason she got the maximum is because she was grooming. was, it was a repeat offense with multiple people and she will do it again. She's going to do it again. And I feel like in a situation like this,

Even though this is their first offense, it is egregious enough that there could be a maximum sentence because very, very rarely when it's a first offense, does anyone get the maximum, very rarely.

Kelli (11:44.367)
because they're public figures and just like the Judaices, this judge is, they're gonna make an example out of them because if they give them any type of grace, the regular everyday Joe Schmoe like you and I will think, well, hell, if the Osephos got off for it, they're going to make an example out of them. know, make the situation, you know, they...

Wendy (11:53.069)
Yeah.

Wendy (12:03.501)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Kelli (12:12.344)
They're not letting these people slide just because they're celebrities. It's almost the opposite. So you're a fool if you were on any type of show, reality show or other, to commit any crime.

Wendy (12:26.156)
Yes, I agree. I totally agree. I agree.

Kelli (12:29.922)
I mean, you're a fool to commit a crime anyway, especially when you have a camera in your face.

Wendy (12:32.803)
Yeah.

Wendy (12:36.812)
Yeah. So then we see it's three months later and it's reunion day and we see Ashley's there at 530 in the morning and she sees Karen's name on the door. She doesn't go in yet but she's kind of excited to see her name and Ashley's talking to Giselle while she's getting ready and Giselle says she's looking forward to Wendy's State of the Union address. Giselle is coming hard. She really is coming hard. She really is.

Kelli (13:03.47)
She's miserable cow. That's what she is.

Wendy (13:06.786)
She really is. So she's the first to walk out onto the set, which is called the Potomac Stables. And she sees Andy and Andy says, well, you're sitting here next to Wendy. And she's like, well, am I supposed to hold her hand? And Andy's like, you do whatever you're comfortable with. But Wendy's in the first chair and Gisele's sitting next to her.

Kelli (13:28.152)
wish Gisele was all the way at the end. think Gisele and Ashley should be both all at the end of their respective couches. They bring nothing. They show us nothing.

Wendy (13:37.6)
I agree, I agree. So then we see all the ladies are on the couch and they're like, okay, we're just, who are we missing? Okay, we're missing Wendy. And then Eddie actually walks her out to the set, which doesn't normally happen, know, gives her a kiss and then she goes and sits down. Andy starts out with saying that here we are on the 10th season and we have two OGs sitting here referencing Giselle and Ashley.

Kelli (13:51.928)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (14:05.783)
And he said that this show was created around a mom group that, talking to Giselle, you, Karen, and Charisse were in. And Giselle said, no, Charisse was not.

Kelli (14:17.998)
thought that was real interesting.

Wendy (14:20.768)
I did too because I thought that Cherise was the one who was hit up by producers to start this and she brought the other women in. Isn't that how you thought it was?

Kelli (14:33.782)
Absolutely, because if you'll remember, Cherise's husband was a coach at Rutgers, I think, at the time, and they were going through a very messy divorce. So I did think that she was the, you know, golden goose that they were looking at to produce the show around. And was this the one, I believe this was the one that

Wendy (14:39.628)
Rutgers. Yes, basketball coach.

Yes.

Wendy (14:55.331)
Yeah.

Kelli (15:03.68)
they didn't know it was gonna be a housewives franchise. It was supposed to be like about etiquette. Wasn't this, wasn't Potomac the one that was supposed to be based on like etiquette and that's why like Karen came in so strong with the you gotta do things this way and.

Wendy (15:19.97)
That could be. I don't honestly remember that specifically, but I do know that one of them was about that. It could, it definitely could be this one. It definitely could be.

Kelli (15:26.136)
Mm-hmm Yeah, but I thought it was real interesting when Giselle said that Sharice was not In that mom group and then she said when she met Ashley she knew they had something special She was horrible to Ashley and so was Robin So she's

Wendy (15:40.684)
And so was Karen, actually. Even Karen was. mean, Karen was the nicest of the group to her.

Kelli (15:46.08)
Yeah, but they all thought she was a gold digger.

Wendy (15:50.09)
I mean, they weren't wrong. Were they wrong? I mean, she says, I mean, she does say she loves him. I mean, she got two children. I don't know. I don't know.

Kelli (15:51.808)
No, they were not wrong.

Kelli (15:59.329)
I mean, I think that Ashley liked to get her freak on when she was younger and that's clearly what Michael's into. Exactly. But I think at some point she, I do believe, I don't believe much about Ashley Darby, but I do believe that once she wanted to start a family, she wanted to stop the threesomes and the swinging. And Michael wasn't ready to stop that. And I think that that's what catapulted their divorce.

Wendy (16:04.082)
yeah.

I think she still does.

Wendy (16:25.654)
I think so too. I agree with that. I agree with that. Yeah. Yeah, it was a win for her. It was a win. Andy said, you know, how is it filming to Ashley and Gisele? Like how is it filming this season without Karen? And Ashley's like, well, it's kind of foreign. And Gisele's like, listen, I like to argue with Karen. And she does. Like they do have this like back and forth banter. And she's like, yeah, she's like, she just wasn't there.

Kelli (16:26.804)
Yeah, but she got those two beautiful boys, so whatever.

Kelli (16:48.748)
Love hate. Yeah.

Wendy (16:55.031)
Then Andy says.

Kelli (16:55.074)
I can't believe Wendy's been on the show for five years. Like, I can't believe Wendy's been on the show half the amount of time that the show's been on.

Wendy (17:00.854)
I know, I know, I agree with you, I agree with you. He then says hi to Angel and Tia, this season they were the newbies and he wants to know what their expectations were coming onto the show and Angel said, well, my expectations was just to come and meet a new group of ladies and maybe gain some friends. And Andy said, well, how did that go? And she's like, well, was a rough landing and.

Kelli (17:04.843)
Yeah.

Wendy (17:27.682)
You know, I had fun in the process, which I don't know that she did. I think she was just being kind of kind.

Kelli (17:33.006)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (17:35.212)
And then he asked Tia the same question and she said, well, she had moved to the DMV during COVID and she was really interested in just like meeting new people. And she thinks that she accomplished that. Okay. asked Stacey how she was doing for her second season. He wanted to know if she was experiencing the sophomore slump or the glow up. And she said a little bit of both. Listen, I think Stacey...

I don't know. I still love her. I love her.

Kelli (18:07.948)
I do too, and I mean, they even caught her in a lie already. One, I picked up Ron. Many, but one was like so clear and it's in my notes, but I'm here for Stacey and Wendy's friendship. Like the fact that they go through the whole, they go to great lengths to show that like last year, Giselle asked her about the cannabis lines. She said no, and then, and just the fact that Wendy can be like, we talked about it, we're cool.

Wendy (18:12.045)
my gosh, many, many actually.

Kelli (18:37.73)
We're good. Like, I love that. I'm here for their friendship. Because you know what? It is what it is. None of these women are really friends outside the show. Giselle and Ashley are not friends outside the show. So yeah, Wendy and Stacey, it is what it is. They're going to be allies. And I'm totally here for that. Because Stacey might be a liar, but I don't know. She's still likable. And Giselle...

Wendy (18:45.781)
It is what it is.

Wendy (18:59.352)
She's very likable.

Kelli (19:01.354)
Giselle's a liar by omission because she there's got to be something listen if there's if there's really nothing going on in Giselle's life as she's showing us on TV I feel bad for her and I don't believe it's true. I think she does have things going on. She's just not showing us so get off the show

Wendy (19:18.07)
I totally agree with you. mean, the fact that talking about the cannabis line with Wendy and when Andy said to Wendy, you know, do you think she was sincere when she named it a Nigerian word that shy shy. Right. And. You know, her response was, listen, you know, that that's that's what she said, but she also said, listen, I think she did it.

Kelli (19:31.758)
shy shy shy or

Wendy (19:44.588)
to get back at Eddie and I because we brought that out about TJ last year at the reunion. And Giselle's like, you think she's like, she's like, I think she's smart. I think she's smart. And Stacey was fine with it and Wendy was fine with it. And the fact that they were both fine with it made me love it even more. The fact that Giselle and Ashley are just like.

Kelli (19:54.318)
That's smart.

Kelli (20:01.784)
Great.

Wendy (20:09.874)
so mad that those two can rise up because that's what Stacey does. Stacey rises up. That's what she does. And I love that. I so love that about her. I do.

Kelli (20:22.114)
Yeah. And I just feel like Wendy's got all their numbers, but I didn't like, I do feel like Wendy was a little bit of a soldier for Giselle and Ashley this year, a little bit with Angel. But, but I will say this, and I like Angel. Angel was coming for Wendy out the gate when she was talking about college and, you know, who they knew in common. so maybe, maybe that was a personal thing for Wendy as well.

Wendy (20:35.894)
yeah.

Angel was coming for her.

Wendy (20:53.056)
It was, but I did like that every time Wendy kind of called out Angel on it, Angel owned her part in it. And you know, she put a little extra dip on her chip. I was like, and Andy was like, that's a great, and Wendy's like, thank you. Like she owned it. She owned it. Unlike Stacey who owned nothing, but still rose up. She still rises up Stacey, even though she owns nothing.

Kelli (21:01.314)
Yes.

Kelli (21:17.75)
Yeah, and honestly, can own anything at this point. Giselle and Ashley came off so horrible, mostly Giselle, because I think Ashley kind of got wind of what was going on and softened up at the end. Giselle came off horrible to Angel. Angel can admit to anything right now and people are still gonna be on her side. They might not want her back. They might not think she's interesting enough to be on this show, but.

Wendy (21:44.226)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (21:45.23)
I don't think anybody can sit here and say that Gisele wasn't horrible to this woman. She was horrible to her. So she can admit to anything right now, she's still gonna come out on top.

Wendy (21:55.094)
I agree, I totally agree. So then Andy says to Wendy, like, you know, how are you been the fact that you've been on the show half of its life? Like, how do you compare Wendy now to the Wendy that started on the show? And she said, listen, I think that Wendy that started on the show was a little unsure of herself. I actually didn't think she was on, I mean, you know, she does say she had just given birth and she did, but she did come on strong for someone. She was faking it till she made it, I think is where she, yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (22:19.448)
She was overcompensating. Right. Faking it until she made it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wendy (22:25.298)
And listen, was postpartum two months. give the woman a break. Give the woman a break. A third child. Like as a mother of three myself, I can't even imagine. I can't imagine, right?

Kelli (22:40.024)
Hell no. I was a mess after I had my kids.

Wendy (22:44.462)
But she said like, you know, it's empowering to go through the transformation. And then Andy brought up obviously the elephant in the room, there's been some serious things happening in your world. He brings up October 9th and the 16 counts of alleged fraud that you are facing. He's like, can you tell us anything about the case? And she said, well, I can say that, you know, the investigation is ongoing. I was surprised that she said as much as she did to be quite honest with you. We've had

Kelli (22:44.846)
Yeah.

Kelli (23:10.434)
Yeah, me too, me too.

Wendy (23:13.486)
court appearances. It has been very trying time for my family and you know that's when he asked about the children when she she explained about her son Carter and you know how they came and how they showed up and how she called her her mom and sister. But I thought what was surprising is when the other ladies jumped in and.

Giselle said, know, so was the nap the reason why the wig was a little like to the side and twisted? And Wendy's like, I don't know why. you know, and then she's like, well, the wig was wigging. And she is like, well, that was her nap wig. And Andy's like, is that a thing? Is there a nap wig? And Wendy's like, no, that was my professor wig. I thought that was kind of funny.

Kelli (24:04.92)
So this is what I didn't like. Giselle bringing up her wig being crooked like.

Wendy (24:10.922)
Right, right.

Kelli (24:12.718)
I feel like Giselle was, and I'm gonna give her a little bit of credit here, I feel like she was trying to lighten the mood a little bit, right? Like asking about the wig. I didn't think she was being malicious, quite honestly. I think she was just trying to be funny, know, lighten it up a little bit. But then Ashley accuses Wendy of talking about jail like it's a joke. Well, your friend over here just set her up for it.

Wendy (24:21.452)
You do?

Wendy (24:25.888)
Okay.

Kelli (24:41.036)
Like I feel like when Gisele brought up the wig being crooked, it kind of like took, took a little, you know, of the stress out of the situation. And I, and I thought it was a nice thing that she did, but then Ashley turns around and accuses her of making it out like jail was a joke. No. And I don't think anybody should be judging Wendy on how she's reacting to any of this. Like none of us know how we would react and she's going through it.

Wendy (24:48.748)
Yeah, I see that. Yeah. No, I definitely see that. Yeah.

Wendy (25:09.794)
think she set him straight and she set him straight straight out because you know they were talking about her mugshot and the smiling and she's like well the guy was you know taking my picture was being nice to me he's like let's try another look she's like I was crying I mean honestly I don't think she was smiling I thought she looked a little sadistic to be honest with you

Kelli (25:13.154)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (25:29.294)
Listen I thought she looked high as a kite. I thought they both did

Wendy (25:38.316)
She said Eddie was, Eddie was sleeping and they woke him up, right? So they woke him up to take his picture. She says she was not.

Kelli (25:41.9)
Yeah, Eddie was high. Eddie was high, yeah. And she said he was high. Yeah, she said she wasn't, but Eddie was. whatever.

Wendy (25:50.99)
Right. But then when, like you said, when Ashley goes for her and says, like, listen, you you said, how does Karen, like, how does she wake up in jail? And she's like, no, no. Like when Giselle said, are you okay? She's like, no, I'm not okay. I'm not okay. I spent the night in jail. I am not okay.

Kelli (26:14.99)
I might have to go back.

Wendy (26:16.8)
Right, and they're like, well, where'd you go to the bathroom? Well, there was a bath, like they were asking, like, honestly, I thought that, yeah, I thought that she put them in their place. I thought that she handled it well. I thought that, you know.

Kelli (26:29.656)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (26:34.318)
I thought it was horrible. I thought it was horrible. thought that Ashley, like you said, coming for her, thinking that she's making light of it, she is just doing the best that she can. It's not easy, but she showed up and she's here. Which, by the way, is more than Karen did, because Karen didn't show up. She did not show up. mean, she said she was at rehab, but she had plenty of time to go to rehab. She had plenty of time to go to rehab. So, you know.

Kelli (26:45.761)
Exactly.

Exactly. Yep. That's right. Right.

Kelli (26:57.229)
rehab.

Kelli (27:05.196)
No, Karen flaked out, because she didn't want the smoke that Wendy's getting right now. Karen couldn't handle the questions. Wendy's handling the questions.

Wendy (27:05.398)
And she also said.

Wendy (27:14.37)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (27:20.204)
No, I thought she was doing a great job. I really did. Wendy, I mean, Andy does say like, okay, we're gonna move on, but we're gonna talk about this a little later on, which, okay. And then he moves on to Stacey and he's like, you know, it's been a banner year for the QVC queen. Even if the ladies aren't buying what she's selling, he said she will still rise, which I 100 % agree. And he shows a bunch of clips of Stacey throughout the season and he says how he's obsessed with her QVC videos.

Kelli (27:41.774)
Totally.

Wendy (27:50.542)
I am too, by the way, I am too. I did not know that she made it on Vanity Fair's Best Performances of 2025 list.

Kelli (28:00.143)
Me neither, I think that's amazing though.

Wendy (28:03.934)
I do too. And Giselle congratulated her.

Kelli (28:07.342)
Yeah, which was monumental.

Wendy (28:09.644)
Yeah, yeah. And listen, what I did like that she said is she's like, listen, these QVC videos prove that this is who I've been, this is who I've always been. They're like, well, you were doing a job there, you were selling. She's like, this is who I am. And I agree with her, like, this is who she is. When she shows up,

Kelli (28:27.79)
I understood what she was saying.

Wendy (28:32.073)
Right, I did too. I did too. Right.

Kelli (28:33.966)
She's just a positive person.

She's a glass half full, not half empty. She's gonna make the best of the situation. You can shade her, you can insult her, you can do whatever you want. She's not feeding into it. She's not giving you that energy. Like that's just who she is. I understood what she was saying.

Wendy (28:48.364)
me unfazed. Right. Right.

I did too. But then Tia brings up that she heard someone speaking on a plane and she turned around and she found out it was Stacey and she didn't recognize her voice. I thought that was a little shady.

Kelli (29:07.694)
understand this whole thing between Stacey and Tia, I'll be honest with you. Because even Stacey talking about her accent...

Wendy (29:11.949)
I don't either.

Kelli (29:16.416)
I mean, I just, don't understand this argument. I kind of find it boring.

Wendy (29:22.764)
No, I do too. And I think that Stacey bringing up the accent was just her kind of deflecting about what Tia was saying about her voice. And I do think that, I think that Stacey was genuine when she brought Tia to meet Timo and Arabella. And she felt like she stabbed her in the back. And that's when I feel like Stacey realized that Tia was working for Giselle.

Kelli (29:32.631)
Yes.

Kelli (29:43.086)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Kelli (29:52.738)
Yes.

Wendy (29:54.106)
And that's when she changed her opinion of her. And that's when she said, okay, enough is enough. I'm not gonna play this game. Like don't really wanna get to know me. You're here to gather information, as she said, for your master, which I think was, I mean, I think that was a tough word, but whatever. Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (30:12.014)
I do too. didn't think that was a great word to use. Now, Andy asks, who filed for divorce? Stacey said, I did. And then they showed the pleading and Timo is listed as the plaintiff. Clearly the plaintiff is the one who files.

Wendy (30:27.598)
Yep.

100%. Yep.

Kelli (30:33.178)
So there's one lie. Like that's clear as day. Clear as day.

Wendy (30:40.086)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, no, it definitely was. I do believe her explanation about why Timo wasn't ready to go meet Eddie and Wendy at that dinner. Like, that made sense to me, right? Based on what happened at the reunion last year about TJ and everything that was brought up. And of course he's going to feel a certain way about it, you know?

Kelli (30:56.706)
Sure.

Absolutely.

Kelli (31:09.326)
Absolutely.

Wendy (31:09.836)
It's his wife now. mean, I mean, it's his ex-wife, but he's trying to get back with her and they're, yeah, he's gonna feel away about it.

Kelli (31:18.134)
And I don't understand, like, is the, what are they trying to accomplish by saying that they're not divorced? Like that, it just doesn't make sense.

Wendy (31:27.374)
Mike, what does it matter?

Wendy (31:32.844)
No, it doesn't. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't.

Wendy (31:41.678)
A viewer asked Stacey that you seemed to have more smoke for Tia at the Shia lunch than you did for Ashley and Ashley acted way worse to you all season. Andy said, do you regret kicking Tia out? And Stacey said, no, but she didn't really address the fact that the way Ashley treated her. And I did notice at the reunion, like Ashley did stick up for her a couple of times and Ashley was sitting next to her. And I think that maybe her and Ashley right now,

Kelli (32:07.416)
now.

Wendy (32:11.23)
at that reunion are not in such a bad place. I think it could be after watching the season, it could be I think that once Ashley saw Stacey when they were in Colorado and what a good wingwoman she could be and how she could be, I don't know, fun. mean, Stacey can be fun, right? I think Stacey can be fun. And I think Ashley's here for that.

Kelli (32:15.203)
Right.

Kelli (32:35.138)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (32:42.221)
I don't know.

Kelli (32:42.61)
I think if Giselle were not on the show, we would be getting a very different Ashley Darby. We would be getting a very fun, single Ashley Darby showing us more than fake breakups with Josh.

Wendy (32:48.482)
I do too.

Wendy (32:56.418)
Yeah, I agree. I agree. And then of course, if you were asked about Stacey denying the cannabis line rumor at the reunion last year when she started one, again, you know, she said, listen, nothing was definite. Nothing was definite. Like, why do you even care? Like, why is this even a question? Wendy doesn't have a problem with it. Why does anybody else hear?

Kelli (33:11.95)
We're past it. Right.

Kelli (33:21.72)
Right.

And like she said, I had a lot of meetings with a lot of different companies. Listen, you're a housewife now, you're a household name. You can do whatever you want. You can do a three-wick candle, you can do a two-wick candle. You can do whatever you want. So I'm sure she took a lot of meetings.

Wendy (33:36.258)
You sure can.

Wendy (33:41.602)
Yes. Then a viewer from New York said, Giselle, Ashley, and Kay, none of Stacey's alleged lies are about you or affect you in any way. So why are you so pressed? Loved that question. But then Giselle's like, OK, so let's be clear. Like, we heard this information. Did you expect us just not to talk about it? We were in LA. Someone came up to us about the filing.

Kelli (34:08.504)
They're so full of shit. Like they didn't seek out this person. And I'm sorry, I don't even believe it happened. Like where is this person? And how come we still don't have any proof that she, that jacked up pleading that they showed or agreement. Anybody could have doctored that up. Anybody. So where's the real proof that she was paying TJ?

Wendy (34:12.618)
I know. I know.

Wendy (34:18.104)
Right.

Wendy (34:29.432)
Right.

Wendy (34:34.466)
Right.

Kelli (34:34.498)
Venmo, Zelle, deposits, something.

Wendy (34:37.506)
Something, something, yeah, right, didn't get it, right. I like that Stacey called them out and said, like, listen, especially you women who have been with men who have treated you bad and humiliated you, like, you could have given me grace like you've been in my shoes. You didn't have to come for me. And she was 100 % right. And they had nothing to say about that. They didn't.

Kelli (34:51.95)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (35:03.79)
Kay jumped in and said, well, the issue is that you wouldn't own it and you can't be the victim all the time. Okay, Kay, that's kind of rich coming from you, to be honest with you. really Kay?

Kelli (35:13.044)
Exactly.

Exactly. I was kind of low key hoping that Kay showed up with a big old engagement ring on her hand. I mean, maybe, maybe, because that's what I'm hoping for Kay. I'm hoping Greg puts a ring on it off camera for her because then it would be more genuine to me.

Wendy (35:24.491)
Yeah.

Wendy (35:36.334)
don't think Greg is the right person for her, I'm just saying. Not what I've seen.

Kelli (35:39.63)
You know, I feel like he's just really uncomfortable on camera. I don't think he wants any part of this, especially because he came, how he came off the first season he was on, but he could turn it around. Turn it around, Greg, come on.

Wendy (35:50.69)
we'll have to wait and see. yeah. Andy asked Stacey how she's gonna move ahead with these women and gain their trust. And she's like, listen, I just need to be more direct and just say exactly how I feel and not beat around the bush. I was glad that she had an answer for that. And she...

Kelli (36:06.316)
I'm glad she did too, but Andy, how about you ask Giselle why she is so miserable to these women? Look at the past. I hope so. And I hope he brings up Ashley, Katie. They were horrible to Katie, Monique, Candice, now Stacey and Angel. She's horrible to people who come on this show. Horrible.

Wendy (36:11.916)
I think he's going to. hope he does. I hope he does.

Wendy (36:27.002)
she is, she is. Then he asked Angel, like, you came in excited to make new friends and bring your family back here to your roots. And they show us a bunch of clips of Angel. Andy asked Angel where she's currently living. She said she's back and forth between Colorado and Potomac and they have purchased a home in Potomac. They're currently meeting with the designer that did her house in Colorado and they're working on how they're gonna renovate it and make it what they want.

I thought it was interesting when Ashley asked the question about the acres and Angel said, you know, I don't know her exact answer. It's not, she's like, it's not 30, but you know, if you wanted to live in Potomac, you could have acres too. And Ashley's like, well, I chose not to live in Potomac. No, you chose not to live in Potomac because you can't afford it. Because to get acres.

Kelli (37:07.726)
It's not 30, because she goes, it 32 acres?

Kelli (37:21.794)
Right, and Angel basically said it, like I don't believe that.

Wendy (37:25.548)
Right, right.

Kelli (37:29.358)
How about Giselle saying Angel did not come on this show to make friends and she made that very clear?

Wendy (37:34.624)
Yeah, I didn't think that was valid at all what she said.

Kelli (37:37.664)
It's not valid. She's horrible. Horrible.

Wendy (37:39.79)
I didn't think it was valid at all.

Kelli (37:46.144)
I'm sorry. I love Eddie. love happy Eddie, but Bobby is the hottest real housewife house husband of Potomac right now

Kelli (37:56.591)
Andy said, how do you feel about Bobby being the hottest?

Wendy (37:59.662)
Yeah, I mean, course they're not... the ladies cannot agree to that if they have husbands.

Kelli (38:06.87)
Well, I think that Wendy's reaction was, yeah, for sure. Was the right.

Wendy (38:11.702)
And T is like, no. And Stacey's like, no. They can't agree to it.

Kelli (38:17.294)
Well, I loved it and Stacey said I like white chocolate.

Wendy (38:20.628)
I know, I know. And then they ask Andy what kind of chocolate he likes.

Kelli (38:24.308)
Yeah, yeah, the darker the- what do you say? The darker the berry, the sweeter the juice? Andy. That's funny.

Wendy (38:29.122)
That's what he said.

Wendy (38:33.294)
So then Andy, brings up, Kay and Angel have known each other for almost 20 years and he wants to clear up the chin check comment. And Kay says, listen, I just want to say to Angel to make sure that she understands, like, I've apologized. I want to make it clear. I misspoke when I said those words. I shouldn't have said them. Meanwhile, Giselle is like jumping all over Angel and Angel's trying to let Kay talk.

But Giselle wants Angel to answer and Angel's like, listen.

Kelli (39:05.996)
Wendy, I think it was Wendy. Wendy and Angel were talking because, right? Yeah, because Wendy leaned over to Gisele and said, what kind of friendship is this? Because Angel backed down and said to Kay, okay, you finish and then I'll, yeah.

Wendy (39:13.612)
You're right, it was Wendy. At that point, it was Wendy. Yes. Yes, it was Wendy.

Yes, it was Wendy.

That's right. And she was just being respectful because Kay was trying to...

Kelli (39:32.01)
Apologize, basically.

Wendy (39:32.502)
Get it? Absolutely. She wanted on the record. Her and Angel already had this conversation. It was already clear for them, but she wanted it on the record. And I don't blame her. I'd want it on the record too with these bitches, right? She wanted it on the record. And it was Wendy who kept trying to say, no, you can talk. I'm talking to you. And she's like, no, no, when Kay is done, then I will address you. And she did.

Kelli (39:44.204)
Yep. Yep.

Wendy (39:55.939)
She let Kay finish speaking. She said, you are correct. When I watched it back, I saw how you could see that my energy changed. And it's because I thought about it, and it's not worth fighting about. It's just not worth fighting about.

Kelli (40:10.86)
I mean, for the love of God, this woman angel comes on this show. She's got Ashley and Giselle coming for her right out the gate. Her only ally is Kay. She's not gonna start beef with her now. I mean, that would just be foolish. Right. Still nursing.

Wendy (40:25.454)
Also postpartum. Also postpartum. A newborn. Still nursing.

Kelli (40:32.59)
Yeah, I mean, it's ridiculous.

Wendy (40:34.53)
I mean Wendy of all people actually should have understood that because when she started she was in the same spot. She was in the same spot.

Kelli (40:37.654)
Yes, you should have.

Kelli (40:41.772)
Yes, she should have.

Wendy (40:45.55)
then Andy asked Giselle what her intention was bringing up the Photoshop. I do not accept her answer. I don't accept her answer.

Kelli (40:53.934)
She's full of shit.

Wendy (40:55.714)
Yeah. She said, I wasn't trying to be shady in any way. Come on. There was nothing but shade in it.

Kelli (40:57.07)
Full of shit.

Kelli (41:05.358)
And then she accuses Angel of talking about it the rest of the season Ashley brought catfish to your jacked up Fourth of July in a sweaty ass gym party So no angel did not keep talking about it you two heifers kept getting your digs in

Wendy (41:16.15)
Yes. Yes!

Wendy (41:24.844)
Right. Right.

Kelli (41:29.564)
and then Ashley said it was funny and an angel should learn to laugh. Could you imagine if this was happening to Giselle? If somebody was doing this to Giselle? If Giselle would just sit back and laugh about it? Come on now.

Wendy (41:33.548)
Exactly.

Wendy (41:45.634)
No, I agree. I totally agree. mean, then a viewer asked Angel about the comment that she made describing Wendy as having asshole lips and Forest Whitaker eyes. Angel admitted that it was very harsh, that she was trying to explain it, she was referring to a facial expression. But bottom line is, she admitted it was harsh and she apologized. That's it.

Kelli (42:08.898)
Yeah, and listen, I don't blame Wendy for calling her out. You're getting pissed off at them for calling you a catfish, because they're clearly saying you don't look like your picture, and that's not a night. What they're alluding to is not nice. So why would you come after my physical features? So she was right, but right. Angel owned up to it 100 % right away.

Wendy (42:15.021)
Right.

Wendy (42:24.982)
Right. No, 100%. She owned it and apologized. That's it. That's it. Then the viewers asked Kay and Angel, like, watching it back, you understand why the internet gave you the nicknames madness and sadness. And Kay said, looking back, kind of, but, you know, I get along with 85 % of the group. So it's not just me and Angel out here on an island, which I was glad that she said that.

Kelli (42:51.79)
idea.

Wendy (42:51.82)
because there was a lot of times where it did look like it was just her and Angel out there on an island.

Kelli (42:56.492)
Yeah, for sure.

Wendy (43:01.398)
That's when Andy asked her Ashley about the catfish. She told you, need to laugh, it's good for your soul. But then Andy said, listen, Ashley, I got a stack of questions here about how messy you are. And we just touched the tip of that, because he said, if you were asked, like we usually love your messiness, but something felt different this year. You were mean and downright nasty at times.

Kelli (43:26.292)
She's working for Giselle like Robin used to.

Wendy (43:29.512)
And she said, well, whom? Can we elaborate? said, well, to Stacey, to me, to Wendy, like after what went down. And he said, yeah, the zen wen and the pen. Like, do you regret that? She's like, well, I apologize for that. She's like, when I saw her mugshot, like I was like smiling and laughing and I really thought, like I thought it was a joke. I didn't think it was real. And Wendy's like, well, I got information that.

It wasn't even about the mugshot, but you had some sort of hidden vendetta against me.

Ashley said there's nothing about a hidden vendetta. I think that there's way, I think there's way more to this. I think that there's something that we're not, we don't know yet.

Kelli (44:06.382)
I'm sorry.

Kelli (44:15.058)
something's definitely gonna come out. Because what is this vendetta and what is it based off of? Like what could Wendy have possibly have done to Ashley that we don't know about yet?

Wendy (44:17.421)
Yeah.

Wendy (44:22.37)
Yeah.

Wendy (44:27.982)
Yeah, well, Ashley says, when you first came into this group, you came in with this air looking down on everybody else in the room. Wendy said, how you view me is nothing to do with me and everything to do with you, which is 100 % true.

Kelli (44:42.99)
100 % true.

Wendy (44:44.998)
And Ashley said, don't validate and verify my accomplishments. And Wendy's like, well, what have you accomplished? And Ashley just lost it. She's like, that's bullshit, bitch. That's bullshit. And Ashley's like, well, I have one social security number. OK.

Kelli (44:57.294)
Yeah.

Yeah, so Ashley said, I don't vilify my accomplishments. And Wendy said, that's because you don't have any. And Ashley said, but I only have one social security number. I mean, that was.

Wendy (45:12.342)
Yep. That was a mic drop, but I'm sure she's come. I'm sure she's coming back because next week we see that Karen arrives. We see that Jassy's there. Monique is out. They asked Stacey if she's dated Chris Samuels. She said, no, that's not true. And then Monique says, let me show you this. But we don't know what it is. So we have to wait and see like what happens next week. But.

Kelli (45:16.598)
That was a mic drop.

Kelli (45:35.035)
shit.

Kelli (45:40.814)
So Monique, so we're gonna see more blatant lies from Stacy.

Wendy (45:44.45)
binders.

Maybe. Maybe.

Kelli (45:51.02)
I still like her!

Wendy (45:52.91)
I'm not ruling it out, but I still have her back.

Kelli (45:56.428)
I still take her over Gisele any day.

Wendy (46:01.784)
Yeah, I don't know. Listen, as far as first episodes of Reunions go, I don't think it was bad, to be honest with you. I don't. I mean, we got a little bit of everybody in there.

Kelli (46:08.918)
It was alright.

Kelli (46:13.994)
Yeah, that was the good part. They didn't heavily focus on one person for too long. That was the good part, because that can be exhausting.

Wendy (46:22.914)
Yeah.

I guess it's three parts. I don't know. I imagine that it is.

Kelli (46:28.928)
I think that's the formula they've been going with lately.

Wendy (46:32.652)
I imagine Karen will be at the end, at the third part. And we never discussed her one-on-one with Andy. I figure we'll wait until we see what she says at the reunion and see if there's anything that we find out additional about that. But I don't expect that we will. I really don't. But we'll wait and see.

Kelli (46:48.854)
No, and the interview was, it was very unremarkable. There wasn't anything, I mean, you know, it's still Karen. I would be curious to see if they brought Charisse out to talk about the whole sum with Ashley because she, you know, she acted one way on the show and then she back stepped, I think, once she saw fans reactions to it. But I don't think we're gonna see Charisse this reunion.

Wendy (46:53.42)
I agree, was totally unremarkable.

Wendy (47:13.942)
I don't think we are either and honestly...

I don't think she knew the extent of it when we saw her on the show. I don't think we, I don't think she did. And

Kelli (47:24.974)
I still think her reaction was based off of fans' responses. I feel like her 180 was based off of fans' reactions to her reaction.

Wendy (47:30.542)
I know, mean, I-

Wendy (47:37.452)
I just think about as being a mom of sons and me finding out that one of my girlfriends was sleeping with one of my sons. I mean, right. More than that. Like, I mean.

Kelli (47:47.799)
We're done. We're done. I don't even have to know that you had sex with him. Just the fact that you looked at him in that way. We're done.

Wendy (47:59.724)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (48:04.856)
Mm-mm.

Wendy (48:05.238)
Yeah, I don't know. And Ashley's so unbothered by it. That's what bothers me about it, to be quite honest with you. She doesn't think that she did anything wrong. We're both adults. Okay, yeah, you are both adults. Yes, you are. But do you know what a boundary is?

Kelli (48:12.684)
Yeah. Nope.

Kelli (48:24.556)
You know, listen, you put energy out into the world and this is the energy you're getting back. So you have two sons. So think about that when you make decisions, how you move.

Wendy (48:36.622)
Yeah.

Kelli (48:38.348)
I mean, that's how I try to live my life.

Wendy (48:42.99)
No, I agree. I agree. We'll have to wait and see what happens.

Kelli (48:46.478)
Yeah, it was all right though. I do like the set. don't normally notice, yeah, I don't normally notice things, but you know, because you and Lori always have an opinion about it, I'm like, all right, let me try to pay attention. I like this set.

Wendy (48:48.184)
Alright, so, it would, I like this set too.

Wendy (49:02.508)
I did too. I did too. All right, so until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye.

Kelli (49:12.259)
Bye.