RHONY S16 E4: Homewrecker, Mongoose & Mayhem

Wendy (00:00.75)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.97)
I'm Kelly.

Lori (00:04.983)
And I'm Lori.

Wendy (00:08.117)
We are here talking about Real Housewives of New York, season sixteen, episode number four. But before we do, I'd like to ask everyone to please head over to YouTube and hit subscribe and go to our social media, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and like us and comment whenever you can. We love all the engagement. And thank you if you've already done it.

Kelli (00:29.71)
Thank you.

Wendy (00:31.34)
The name of this episode is Gloves Off at the Gala. I don't love that name. I don't love the name. Okay. No, it it was just rude.

Lori (00:37.154)
No, I don't love the name either.

Kelli (00:39.084)
I mean it wasn't like a fight. They were just talking e excessively, but they were just talking.

Lori (00:44.398)
Extensively. Rudely.

Wendy (00:45.676)
Yeah, just rude. Just rude. So we pick up where we left off at the Seder with Haley starts to respond to Erin and sh as she starts to respond, she's like breathing like a little heavy. And Aaron's like, What is that all about? Yeah.

Lori (01:00.844)
And she was like crack she's like cracking her neck and I was like, girl, I'll tell you what that's all about. She's about to reach over that table and go for your neck. That's what that's all about.

Wendy (01:11.788)
Ha ha ha.

Kelli (01:14.38)
I think she was trying to figure out how she wanted to play it. I I think I'm starting to see Haley as I think she was a very spoiled, spoiled girl. And I think she plays victim and I think her mom has her number. And I I hate to defend Erin, but I think Erin's got her number too. She's been talking about the John Goslin thing nonstop, but

I mean, listen, Erin shouldn't have called her a homewrecker and said she ruined a a marriage because she didn't, but

Wendy (01:48.427)
No, she absolutely didn't. She didn't. And listen, I think there's a lot of truth in what you're saying. I think that Erin is n I I'm not a big fan of Erin. I think that she really, you know, sh like our friend Vicky, she goes for low hanging fruit, to be quite honest with you. And going after that

Lori (01:59.096)
Mm.

Kelli (01:59.277)
Mm-mm.

Kelli (02:04.974)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Lori (02:04.981)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You know what I don't like about her? I don't like that frickin' smirk. She got that smirk. Yeah. Yeah. Makes me wanna like trip her. Just like trip her when she's walking and be like, I'm so sorry.

Kelli (02:12.842)
Yep. Yes. Yes.

Wendy (02:13.588)
Aaron's Aaron Smirk, yeah. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (02:18.254)
Smacker.

Wendy (02:19.597)
Yeah.

Wendy (02:24.568)
So Haley does finally s speak after she you know, she's breathing. She's like, you know, I was twenty two years old and I got accused of home wrecking, but that's not what happened. It's unfortunate it unfortunate for you that you've never been through, you know, something like that that's changed your life. And then all of a sudden, when you know, when it's a false narrative, and then all of a sudden Jessel jumps in and's like, Well, thank you for sharing that with me. Jessel.

Lori (02:46.669)
I know, it's like just pipe down, girl. Why, why are you trying to get the moment? No, no.

Wendy (02:54.922)
I don't get Jessel.

Kelli (02:55.052)
I think she was trying to like console her like

Lori (02:58.601)
I don't think so. I think she was trying to steal the moment. She was trying to be like

Kelli (03:01.454)
Steal the moment.

Yeah, don't forget about me down here at the end of the table.

Wendy (03:04.832)
If and yeah. But Er I mean, she c Haley keeps going on. She calls Aaron. She's You're an effing piece of shit. Aaron said, you know, why why would you come for me and call me boring? Okay, so if she called you boring, Haley said to compare, right, to compare calling you boring and jam to what you're saying. Like, it doesn't make sense.

Lori (03:06.299)
Yeah, exactly.

Lori (03:18.657)
I know the sin of it. The sin of it.

Lori (03:26.379)
Right. Two different things.

Kelli (03:27.182)
Be especially because people think Haley is, I mean, like her or n or not, people think she's cuckoo for Coco Puffs. So for Haley to call you boring just means that you're probably just like the rest of us. You're not boring. You're just not cuckoo for co for Coco Puffs like Haley. I mean, I would if sh if Haley wanted to call me boring, I'd be like, well, compare to you for sure. I'm not, you know, my nose is not getting broken by somebody's fake.

Lori (03:43.445)
Right. I love how Halley said

Wendy (03:44.758)
Exactly.

Lori (03:49.879)
For sure, right.

Kelli (03:54.553)
boobs in my face 'cause I'm sleeping with them, but I'm married to a man. Absolutely. If this makes me boring, I'll take it.

Lori (04:01.461)
Right, I'm at I loved how Haley said that Aaron was a garden snake and she was a mongoose. I love him. I love a mon I love a mongoose.

Wendy (04:12.182)
I love that too.

Kelli (04:12.408)
So I was like

Wendy (04:16.354)
By the way, for people who don't know what a mongoose eat is, it is a small meat-eating mammal known for its long body and short legs, and it likes to dine on snakes. So

Lori (04:26.989)
Okay, now listen. When Kayla was little, there was this it was either a book or a cartoon that was on TV or something. It's called Ricky Tiki Tavvy and it was about a mongoose. So you all look that up. Ricky Tiki Tavvy. Great little thing. I don't know whether it was a book or a movie, but I know

Wendy (04:39.906)
Kelli (04:40.406)
Yeah.

Did you have the book?

Kelli (04:47.688)
I was gonna say 'cause if you had the book it probably got passed down to my kid.

Lori (04:52.287)
I know it's called Ricky Ricky Tiki Tavvy. You guys look it up, you'll know all about a mongoose.

Wendy (04:52.924)
Ha

Wendy (04:59.416)
That's funny. So, Aaron asked Halle like how she's playing the victim here, like you came for me. And Halle said, Yeah, but you make up shit. And she said, You're that's when she called her the the lying snake, and she's like, You better watch your effing back. And she was really going in hard for her. I mean, there was no she really was.

Kelli (05:18.104)
She was going in very hard.

Lori (05:22.103)
She was like Haley was like foaming at the mouth a little bit, which she could have been just high, but I don't know. But she was she was getting See, that's that's the thing. Like that's where either Haley is a really good actress or there's something funky with like the stories that are out there in regards to her and what happened and her mom and the John Gosling thing. So I'm still like I

Kelli (05:49.751)
I really think she was just a spoiled little brat and has never been confronted or approached like this before and I don't think she knew what to do. I think when she was huffin' and puffin' and moving her like I think she was like the w like how do I play this?

Lori (05:51.327)
I'm I I just don't know.

Wendy (06:08.93)
Yeah, it it's kinda hard it's hard to tell because yeah. She acts so tough.

Lori (06:09.181)
See, I don't know. To me, I Yeah. I thought it was a little bit genuine. I thought it would there was there's something genuine in to me there's something genuine within her trauma. Like sh some of it could be hyped, but I there's some nugget in there that is real, at least to me, in regards to whatever it is, you know.

D sometimes stuff happens to people and you may look at it a certain way, but they look at it in a totally different way and it affects them way differently, maybe than it should. I'm not quite sure. I'm not quite sure what the what the deal is with her. But there's a nugget of truth somewhere, somewhere in there.

Wendy (06:58.168)
Well, we're only on episode four, so I think hopefully throughout the season we'll find out a little bit more about Haley and see what's really real. I mean, we've seen Aaron now for two whole seasons, and we do know that Erin is a pot stirrer and she is pretentious and she is full of shit. We do know that 'cause we've seen that. Right. Right.

Lori (07:14.837)
Yeah, so yeah. Right. With that stupid s that stupid smirk. I can't I can't with the smirk.

Kelli (07:14.882)
And she knows how to play this game. She knows how to housewife. She's been doing it.

Wendy (07:21.676)
Right. Right. And then poor Daisy's yelling, You guys, I spent so much money on food. Aaron Aaron says, Well, you came for me. And Carol says, you know, I think what she's me Carol was being, you know, I think what she's meaning is that you can't compare the two. Like one is like a benign statement and the other one is downright mean. She's like, I'm I'm not gonna have your side on this. Meanwhile she was. Meanwhile,

Lori (07:45.325)
Yeah, it seems like the voice of reason.

Wendy (07:51.319)
Haley s like leaves, she leaves, and Cy goes after her, which I thought was good. And even when Haley was going for Erin, they did pan over to Cy's face, and Cy c had Haley's back. Like you could see that she was gonna have her back, which I really I kind of liked. And they were both on Watch What Happens live. Did you guys happen to see that?

Lori (08:10.6)
No.

Wendy (08:12.846)
Well they b they were on both both both of them were on Watch What Happens Live and I'll go over that at the end. But Cy Yes, they were on together, which I like. I like, yeah.

Kelli (08:17.73)
Were they on together?

Interesting. Yeah.

Wendy (08:27.414)
So then they Haley comes back in, right? Cy gets Haley to come back in. And you know, Daisy's like, okay, we gotta get, you know, we gotta get the the matzo ball out, right? The matzo ball soup. Erica in her confessional, she's like, This is why I like these waspy holidays. Like everyone suppresses their emotions. I was thinking to myself, that but no, no.

Kelli (08:49.794)
Yes. I mean, I say yes. It doesn't happen in my family, but

Wendy (08:55.535)
Not an Italian family. I mean not an Italian f

Lori (08:57.985)
But they're Catholic. They're Waspby is like Waspia is like Protestant, like not that's what she means. Like not not Italian Catholic, not that, just like like no, like no, just like boring Midwestern, you know, just yeah, very simple. Yeah, yeah. But that's how kinda I grew up. There was never any just never any no no

Wendy (09:04.627)
Okay.

Wendy (09:11.094)
Not Irish Catholic, like we are we are yeah.

Wendy (09:17.344)
Okay. Yeah, I don't know what that's like.

Kelli (09:20.258)
I don't know what that's like either.

Kelli (09:25.206)
No hollabub.

Wendy (09:25.61)
N no. Okay.

Lori (09:27.681)
goings on. And I like how Carol said to Aaron, you're not gonna get sympathy from me. I I think I think that another part of Aaron's deal is she doesn't like the competition. I think that she got the taste of the wind that people thought Haley was interesting and she's new and she doesn't like it.

Kelli (09:33.954)
Yeah.

Wendy (09:50.862)
It could be.

Kelli (09:51.969)
I I Erin has that main character syndrome where she thinks she is the main character of this show and and I tell you it doesn't fare well for people. Look at Vicki and Nene. It has fared well for Teresa for this long, but not for Nene. Not for Vicky. I I'd be very careful with that.

Wendy (10:15.778)
Yeah, I think Aaron is on thin ice to be honest with you as well. I agree with you.

Lori (10:18.283)
Yeah. And Aaron says, Of course yeah, Aaron says, Of course I feel bad because she's upset. No you don't. No you don't.

Kelli (10:18.304)
Mm-hmm. Nobody likes her.

Wendy (10:27.188)
No, you don't. You don't. Then so Daisy's trying to get the soup together and she's she's yelling for Dale, Dale, and they're like, Who's Dale? I mean, we saw her her mother's housekeeper there helping her.

Kelli (10:39.196)
Yeah, that's who I thought she was talking about.

Lori (10:39.435)
Right, right. That's so I thought she was just me too. I said I didn't know her name was Dale.

Wendy (10:41.706)
Right, me too. But then we find out that Dale is her driver, who is like her like Boy Friday. He does whatever she needs her to do. But like poor Dale.

Lori (10:50.113)
Jack of all trades.

Kelli (10:50.934)
He is to her as she is to Martha Stewart.

Wendy (10:53.998)
Exactly. Exactly.

Lori (10:54.037)
Yeah, exactly. And you know, this this whole time if you watch Erin, she's sitting there like chuckling. The laughing with the Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (11:01.83)
making the faces, the faces, the faces.

Wendy (11:07.766)
And also, I don't know if you noticed, Jessel keeps asking Daisy, can I help you with anything? Can I help you with anything? And she always says no. And then in her confessional, when she's talking about the the matzo ball soup, she's like, you know, like I've always seen it at the deli, but I don't like that meatball. They're like, There's no meat in it. She's like, There's no meat in it. I'm just like, Jessel.

Lori (11:26.101)
Yeah, she thought she was eating a paper.

Kelli (11:29.422)
So I listened to your recap last week when I wasn't here, but I have been to a s I have sat as a guest at a Seder dinner and I have served a Seder dinner as a you know, caterer. And it is long and you better eat a snack before you get there.

Lori (11:53.216)
How you go, yes, everybody always says that they're starving. Yeah. Right.

Kelli (11:55.574)
It is long. A lot of reading.

Yeah.

Wendy (12:00.395)
They probably know what they're talking about though.

Lori (12:02.793)
absolutely.

Kelli (12:03.618)
They totally do. And the funniest thing was when I was when I did a catering gig for it, it was in a very affluent town around here. And the woman the host, I remember asked one of her guests. Sh she didn't ask her, she said to her, I love your perfume. You smell lovely. And the woman goes to tell her what perfume she was wearing, and she was like, Don't tell me. She's like, I never ask what people

Wendy (12:15.106)
Deal.

Kelli (12:30.242)
wear for perfume. I just always compliment them because I think it's a very personal thing and it's nobody's business. And I thought, well that's fucking weird.

Lori (12:36.72)
It's weird. It's weird.

Kelli (12:40.782)
If you like how someone smells, why wouldn't you ask them what perfume they're wearing? I'm like, these rich people, man, think so weird.

Wendy (12:43.402)
Yeah.

Lori (12:45.111)
Wouldn't you wanna know what it was?

Lori (12:50.807)
So weird. So weird.

Yeah, so weird. No deal, yeah.

Wendy (12:55.192)
Wait, was it deal? Was it in deal?

Kelli (12:56.822)
It was deal.

Kelli (13:00.94)
Well yes it was.

Lori (13:01.397)
Yeah. Yes.

Wendy (13:04.002)
Let me guess. Listen, if

Kelli (13:05.198)
Yeah, yeah. Beautiful home, very nice people.

Wendy (13:09.974)
If we happen to have listeners in deal, we are not shading you, but I seriously doubt we have I'm seriously doubt we have any deal listeners, let's be real.

Lori (13:10.401)
But just odd.

Kelli (13:13.0)
I'm not shading you at all. It's a beautiful, beautiful area.

Lori (13:18.029)
Yeah, yeah, that's very rough.

Kelli (13:18.634)
Right. But I thought that was the weirdest fucking thing.

Lori (13:22.699)
Yeah. And how about Carol telling her that she needs some it the soup needs salt? Put your own salt in it, beach.

Kelli (13:28.575)
Yeah, but when you're a guest in someone's home, you shouldn't really ask for salt when they're when they've cooked for you.

Lori (13:32.862)
You don't comment on their

Wendy (13:37.25)
I think she was asking for salt for the table 'cause there wasn't any on the table.

Kelli (13:41.378)
Yeah, but you're gonna put it on your food. She said it needs salt.

Lori (13:41.59)
No, she no, she was talking specifically about the soup that the soup needs salt. I mean, you don't you don't tell a cook what their food needs. You you eat it, you shut the F up, and if you want some salt, you say, Hey Daisy, do you got any like salt and pepper in the kitchen? I'd like to put it out on a table. I'd like to use it. I'd like to I would like to, you know, use it. That to so and so what? Go ahead. Do what you want. You wanna take my Right, but

Wendy (13:45.249)
I know, I know.

Kelli (13:50.838)
It's a bit insulting.

Kelli (14:07.79)
Well that is what she did though.

Lori (14:11.757)
Come on. There's

Kelli (14:12.684)
Listen, I'm with ya. I don't think if somebody cooks for me, I'm not gonna say, I need salt, this needs salt. I'm keeping my mouth shut and I'm happy I didn't have to cook the meal myself.

Wendy (14:12.908)
You could have been discreet, like

Lori (14:20.855)
Right.

Except for me, like if I make you something needs a little salt, feel free to tell me. I would never d you know. But I'm just saying, like, you you just don't do that.

Kelli (14:26.338)
Well yeah, I'm gonna tell you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wendy (14:32.546)
I agree with you.

Kelli (14:32.622)
Well, you don't keep going on and on about it like this really needs salt. This really needs salt.

Lori (14:37.311)
Yeah.

Wendy (14:38.478)
So Andy asked, that was the first question he asked. He said, Does he asked Haley, does Daisy does did Daisy's soup need salt? And she just like looked at him like with a deer in the headlights, and she just like, and she's like, Well, I don't know. I didn't even taste it. I was like, I was gone. He goes, like high, like you were high. And she's like, No, like because of the situation. So then he asked Sai and she's like, I didn't I didn't eat it either. Just like, okay.

Kelli (15:06.168)
Well, she said at the end, these bitches don't eat. I mean, that's we we know other than Atlanta and Jersey, these franchises are not eating. These women aren't eating. Jersey and Atlanta they're gonna eat. And we're gonna hear about it and we're gonna hear about how good it is.

Wendy (15:15.532)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (15:20.994)
Yeah. Or if it's bad, we might hear about that too. so let's see, what happens next? my god, so Carol, she she wants to clear the air with Jessel and she says, Listen, I just want to clear the air about like I you know, left the brunch early the other day. She's like, Listen, Carolyn

Lori (15:21.045)
That's good. 'Cause that's how I feel.

Kelli (15:22.274)
Y well yeah, that's too

Mm.

Lori (15:32.193)
D.

Wendy (15:44.953)
Caroline, Carolyn, I don't know how you pronounce her name. She was a very good friend of mine. She is not an aesthetic. Like, that is not the way I want to speak about her. And Jessel's like, well, I just I was just saying, like, was meaning like to say that like you look chic. And she's like, yeah, I don't want I don't want that conversation. And also, like, please don't ever in front of me again say the Kennedy curse. And

Then Aaron is trying to explain that to her. And and Carol's like, well, she saw the the story. She knows, she knows how it ends. And then Carol said, Well, did you finish watching it? She's like, Well, no, I didn't finish it. Carol's like, Well, you know how it ends. And then when she gets, when Carol gets in her confessional and she calls her a dingbat, and then she explains why dingbat is not an insult and all the other things that she could have called her that would have been

Lori (16:40.749)
Yeah, it was good.

Wendy (16:42.35)
I was just like this. She's like, I could have said like insults, like a dingbat vibe is better than like I could have said like she had no charm, she was being an idiot, or insensitive or thoughtless or rude. I was like, Ooh, I like the Carol dingbat. Like I'm gonna use dingbat from now on. Cause honestly, I I think she's there's a lot to be said about that because Jessel is a bit of a dingbat. And so is Teresa, to be quite honest with you. Teresa's another dingbat.

Lori (17:06.466)
most definitely.

please. Definitely dingbat. Definitely ding bats.

Wendy (17:12.3)
Right? I mean

Kelli (17:12.684)
I think with with Jessel, I think her age has a lot to do with this because we lived you know, we were adults when this happened with with John F. Kennedy Junior and Caroline Bassett and we lived it and it was

Lori (17:28.033)
And we had our parents we had our parents talk about Kennedy as a president and then his brother and so yeah.

Kelli (17:32.671)
Yeah, like we it was it was more personal, I believe, to like our age group where Jessel like she's almost like a millennial and nothing, you know, no shade to millennials, but she is living it through the a lens of a camera who's gonna Hollywood up this story. Plus, she's in the fashion industry and maybe I don't know, I'm not in fashion. Maybe that was

Lori (17:52.034)
Right.

Kelli (17:57.857)
some a term that they were throwing around in the summer, the Caroline Bissette aesthetic. Just like the mob wife aesthetic was a thing. Like you know, she I don't think I I think Jessel was very distasteful in how she was speaking at that brunch, but I do kind of give her a little bit of grace for her age and her era. And I don't think she she I don't think she realized like, yes, she knew Carol's cousin was his

Lori (18:00.297)
I'm sure it wa I'm sure it w I'm sure it was. I'm sure it was. Right. Absolutely.

Wendy (18:01.473)
It was

Wendy (18:20.61)
You know what that

Kelli (18:27.456)
Or Carol's husband was his cousin. I don't think she knew like they were best friends, but even still, she it was distasteful, obviously, but I take her age into consideration.

Lori (18:37.9)
That's true.

Wendy (18:39.32)
can understand that in this situation, but I mean in towards the end of the episode she's makes more ding back comments. When you s we're gonna talk about it later about Ultimate Girls Trip, all the ding back comments she's t saying to Dorinda about repeating the outfit. Meanwhile she's wearing the hockey outfit, all the things she's saying at that ultimate girls trip is the

Kelli (18:59.416)
Well, she's definitely judgy.

Wendy (19:01.698)
Well, she's a dingbat. I just think like sh like Carol said, I think she coined it right. I think Jessel is a dingbat. Listen, that's what I'm gonna ask our listeners. What do you think? Do you think Jessil is a dingbat? Or do you think that she's asking these questions or acting this way because of her age and her inexperience? What are your thoughts?

Lori (19:01.749)
we definitely touched. I think that.

Lori (19:08.225)
Yeah. Well

Lori (19:21.205)
I think it's a combo of both. That's what I think.

Wendy (19:24.48)
Okay, we'll see what our listeners say.

Lori (19:25.547)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (19:30.659)
let's see. so then

Lori (19:33.391)
and then Jessel says, so this is your parents' house? I mean, come on. That was such a lead in to the popcorn seal. Like that's when sometimes it's just too produced and I'm like, come on now. Come on.

Wendy (19:36.95)
Right. Right.

Kelli (19:48.719)
Well, I'm gonna tell you something. I listened to Dear Albie today and he had on his cousin Ashley, who was on the show for a couple of years. This is Jersey. And she kept I meant to write it down so I didn't forget. Video Village. She kept referring to Video Village. So one of the guys on the podcast was like, What is Video Village? She said, That's where all the producers are in a room while we're filming and they have a bunch of cameras up.

And they're watching everything and they're telling you they're not telling you what to do, but they're certainly suggesting things. And some people do what they suggest and some people don't. So we know that this is what happens. I don't know if it's still that format, because this is going back, you know, twelve probably twelve years ago, but you know, somebody could have said to Jessel, ask her if this is her parents' house.

Lori (20:38.005)
Right. Yeah.

Wendy (20:41.24)
We know the producers, yeah.

Lori (20:46.283)
Right. Which duh, no shit, you know, it's your parents' house.

Kelli (20:49.174)
Yeah, I mean she don't live here. You were just at her apartment. Do you really think she she don't pay three hundred dollars a month?

Lori (20:54.344)
I was gonna say.

Kelli (20:56.374)
It's gotta be more than that.

Wendy (20:56.428)
Well, that that came up that came up and watched what happens live too. 'Cause I was so excited 'cause remember just last week I was asking I cannot I I wanna know what this rent control rent is, but Cy said no. She was definitely exaggerating. It's definitely more than that. 'Cause Cy has known her for a very, very long time.

Kelli (21:08.428)
Yeah, I figured that.

Listen, even if it's three thousand a month.

Lori (21:11.981)
It's still cheap.

Wendy (21:15.267)
Yeah.

Kelli (21:16.482)
Hell yeah, for a two bedroom w you know, I mean I know she's got a small kitchen, but that's

Lori (21:25.217)
Yeah, that's gold. That's what that is.

Wendy (21:25.942)
And Cy said she can walk down the street to her place. So Cy is in the same neighborhood. So it's got right. It's gotta be like Upper East Side or something, yeah.

Lori (21:31.265)
So it can't be in it can't be in a shit neighborhood if if size paying right. If s if size paying twenty five thousand.

Kelli (21:37.484)
They said it, I forgot.

Lori (21:44.043)
And she's right up the street. I mean, come on.

Wendy (21:44.748)
Right. Right, exactly.

Lori (21:48.28)
But I was trying to figure this out. Okay, so Daisy says you were all making fun of my apartment and she felt like it was a judgy. But then Cy gets involved in the conversation and why is Cy getting so jacked up about Daisy getting upset about them making fun of her apartment?

Kelli (22:07.896)
Because she said to Cy, you would never live in a rent controlled apartment. And Cy took that offensively. She was like, Yes, I would. And she was like, no, you wouldn't, and where you're living now, all of your amenities. And Sai was like, This is the first place I've ever lived in with amenities. Sai lived in Brooklyn before she got this apartment. She didn't even live in the city. I think that's what offended her, right?

Wendy (22:12.556)
Right. Yes, that's why.

Lori (22:12.845)
Wendy (22:17.89)
That's Menede's right.

Lori (22:21.078)
Okay.

Lori (22:25.323)
Right, yeah, in a brown stuff. Right.

Wendy (22:27.982)
Right. And s yeah, and that's what she also explained on Watch What Happens Live is 'cause Andy said, like those two they have such a long history together, they've for friends for over twenty years. They're like sisters. So they have like she said, she knows how to get under my skin. And that's what it's all about.

Lori (22:30.124)
Okay.

Lori (22:40.685)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (22:48.088)
She was basically saying like Sai's bougie now. And Sai's not Cy is not that girl. You're not gonna call her bougie. Like she's busting her ass. She's not bougie. She's busting her ass. You wanna call Haley bougie, okay.

Wendy (22:51.437)
Right.

Wendy (22:55.212)
Mm mm. No.

Lori (22:55.317)
No, I don't think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But this is my question. Right. So if she's got she's got this great rent, so why didn't you just get the popcorn ceiling scraped? Maybe I guess she doesn't care, I guess 'cause she doesn't own it and she's just trying to Yeah, she doesn't care.

Wendy (23:13.966)
She doesn't care. She doesn't care because that's what they said.

Kelli (23:16.172)
You pr they probably don't own it and they probably can't do anything about it.

Lori (23:20.397)
Well no, because they asked they asked if other people in the building have that. And I guess other people have like updated their apartments. you know, at their own expense. Yeah, that is a big hassle. That is a mess. But popcorn ceilings do suck. Like they collect dust, they get dusty. They do suck. They do suck.

Wendy (23:20.694)
No, they can. Nobody else has it in the building. Yeah.

Kelli (23:30.702)
Who wants to go through that hassle? That's a mess. Ugh.

Kelli (23:44.024)
Can't you just put something over it?

Wendy (23:44.171)
You're getting no argument here. No, you'd have to scrape it.

Lori (23:46.365)
no, you have to scrape it. You have to scrape it off.

Wendy (23:50.39)
you just go on vacation. You go on vacation a week, you have someone come in, scrape it, clean it up, you come back and it's done.

Lori (23:52.406)
Yes. Scrape it and it's done. And go. But I thought that was kind of fresh though when Erica said, should I fix the ceiling myself? I was like, Ew. She's like, Should I come I was like, Girl, I've been liking you, but that's what are you doing?

Kelli (23:53.772)
Yeah. Yeah, packed pack your shit up.

Wendy (23:57.303)
Yeah.

Kelli (24:06.509)
Yeah.

Kelli (24:10.7)
Yeah, I think she tries to play it off that she's not, you know.

Lori (24:15.659)
Hoity toity when she is a little bit.

Kelli (24:15.938)
So happy to be a billionaire. Like, I'm just a regular girl. I just married a billionaire. But she's she looks pretty comfortable where she is.

Lori (24:21.813)
Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wendy (24:25.454)
Well then she does a toast and invites everyone to her island in B V I and we find out that Jessil has been there with Pavit. So that was very interesting. Yeah.

Kelli (24:30.678)
Mm.

Lori (24:36.363)
Yeah, I like that. Yeah, I thought that was interesting too.

Kelli (24:38.424)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (24:42.698)
I can't wait for this whole island thing because it looks like it's gonna be a lot of drama and I'm here for it.

Kelli (24:49.378)
Yes. yeah. yes. The coming attractions.

Wendy (24:53.57)
Yeah. Then we see Haley's rollerblading down, you know, down the city streets. That's what she's doing. Carol got involved in this off roadway theater and she's, I guess, putting together or part of this gala that they raise money for, and she calls up Erica to see if she's gonna be attending because obviously she needs someone with deep pockets, and Erica said she can't go because she's going to the Devil Wears Prada 2 premiere.

And Carol's like, Well, do you have to go? And she's like, Well, Anne invited me, so and my husband, like, we already said yes. And she's like, Anne, like Anne Hathaway? I mean, it's not like Meryl Streep invited you. I did too. I did too.

Kelli (25:33.238)
I loved when Carol said that. She was like, Well, it's not like Meryl invited you. I thought that was so funny.

Lori (25:37.815)
Nice, right.

Kelli (25:42.68)
Which by the way, if you haven't watched Devil Wears Prada Two, watch it because it's super cute. You don't expect it to be as cute as it is. I really liked it and I don't normally like sequels.

Wendy (25:50.22)
I loved it. I did love it.

Lori (25:50.253)
Yeah, I gotta watch I gotta watch that. I didn't watch it yet.

Wendy (25:54.925)
Yeah.

Lori (25:55.851)
And who was with her? Carol.

Wendy (25:58.543)
I guess it's her friend. I don't we didn't really get an introduction to who he was. Yeah.

Kelli (25:59.693)
Yeah. It just said friend. Yeah.

Lori (26:01.579)
Yeah, I just didn't know who that was.

Wendy (26:05.167)
then we see t Sai is talking to her Aunt Sophia, and she's her mom's youngest sister, and we've seen her before on the show. We also find out that

Lori (26:12.353)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (26:18.936)
you know, a little bit more about what's going on in Sai's relationship. She's con confiding in her aunt, like things that we didn't really know. I mean, Kelly and I s kinda suspected it, like when we didn't see her husband that much and like he really wasn't wanting to be on camera. We didn't really know what he did for a living. I mean, yeah, he had a restaurant, but it just it seemed a little off.

Kelli (26:36.376)
Yeah.

Lori (26:41.111)
Right.

Wendy (26:46.552)
But you know, her aunt, you know, says to her, Listen, you can be more alone in a marriage than if you're actually by yourself, if you're in the wrong relationship. And there's a lot of truth in that. There's a lot of truth in that. and her aunt said, Well, if, you know, he he knows this is going on, like, why would he still want to be married to you? And she she said, Well, I think he likes the idea of like the family, and I think he likes the idea of being my husband. But

Lori (26:54.625)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (27:14.818)
Then we find out he takes her out to this romantic birthday dinner and this very expensive restaurant and you know

Like she comes home and I guess the next month or whenever she's going through her credit card statement, she sees that she paid for this dinner. He used her credit card to pay for it.

Lori (27:35.447)
Well she did say he also she thinks he also likes the lifestyle.

Wendy (27:40.813)
Yeah.

Kelli (27:41.487)
Yeah, now let me ask you something though. I and I and I believe her. I'm not saying Sy is lying, but you know, Eric and I have just always shared money. That's just how we do it in this house. I have a personal credit card. He has a personal credit card. He can't use my personal credit card, and I can't use his personal credit card. Unless if we were out to dinner, he said to me, and we don't use credit cards for dinner, but

Lori (27:54.987)
Well

Kelli (28:11.18)
He if he said to me, Let's use your credit card, I would have to go in my wallet and take it out. It's not like he has access to my you know what I'm saying?

Lori (28:19.191)
I think yes, but I think the problem is, and this is part of the whole issue, is that she has been supporting him. So it's but right. Because because he's probably right. He's probably Yeah.

Kelli (28:27.02)
No, I get it, but I'm saying logistically, how did he pay for that dinner with her credit card?

Wendy (28:31.756)
Because you can have a an account and you both have a card. Like you like Bill and I can have but it's

Kelli (28:35.37)
Okay, that's what I'm saying. So he's has an account he has a card on her account.

Wendy (28:40.993)
Right.

Lori (28:41.173)
Yes, because she's probably supporting him. And that's the card he's using to do all kinds of things 'cause she's the one paying the bills.

Kelli (28:48.0)
Right, so what other o like did he have other options?

Lori (28:49.985)
Be well, I would think I would think that after her paying for everything, paying for everything, paying for everything, she thought to herself, Well, maybe he set some money aside to take me. Like, you know what I mean? Like when you're paying for everything, it's I I can see your point. Yeah.

Kelli (29:01.23)
Mm.

Kelli (29:07.978)
I get that part, but I'm thinking, how did she not know that night that he used that card? Like you're sitting there, you see what card he pulls out.

Wendy (29:14.894)
'Cause she wasn't paying attention. Like Bill and I, there's certain accounts yeah, but there's certain accounts that him and I have the same and then there's other ones that I just have. Like for example, Costco, the Costco credit card, the Visa, he only has a Costco Visa. I could get one, but I don't want one because he does enough damage on his. The the only Costco visa I have is the Wee Wine Whenever one, which I you know, I don't like to use that.

Kelli (29:33.454)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (29:43.083)
So but there's other credit cards like American Express. Like I have one card and he has one card. They're two different numbers, but it all goes under the same statement. And it I don't look to see like who who charged it. I just know that, you know. And I'm sure that that's

Kelli (29:51.18)
Right.

Kelli (29:58.231)
Yeah, that's what I I was just thinking, like, how did she not know that night that he used that card to pay for dinner? Like you see what card like I know what Eric's cards look like.

Lori (29:58.274)
Yeah, so maybe when

Lori (30:04.001)
Because maybe he just Yeah, but maybe she just wasn't paying attention. Maybe she was caught up in this whole maybe this is gonna work. Maybe he's actually doing something nice. Maybe this is a turning point, you know, and maybe she just wasn't paying attention.

Wendy (30:10.155)
Right.

Wendy (30:24.492)
Yeah.

Lori (30:25.685)
Yeah, I don't

Wendy (30:27.308)
I don't know, but that is also s

Kelli (30:27.394)
I like to I like to like play out logistics in my head, like you know, to see if I call bullshit or not. And like I said, I don't think she was lying. It's just like I do, I like to call that bullshit. I really, really do.

Lori (30:34.389)
Right, right, right.

Wendy (30:38.05)
I know you like to call bullshit. You do. I know. I know you do. No, she wasn't. Because Andy even asked her on Watch What Happens Live, like, when you like when you moved out and you were separated, did you think that there was a chance that you would get back together? And she said she did. She thought there was a chance that that they would get back together. And

Lori (30:41.473)
Yeah, so maybe she just wasn't paying attention, you know.

Wendy (31:01.794)
Then David wound up filing for divorce without even telling her. Yes. So that was like the straw that broke the camel's back for her. And also Andy asked her, like, well, why didn't you know, if you knew it was bad, like why didn't you do anything? And she's like, I guess I didn't realize it was that bad. She's like, I just thought that this was normal because he was asking like the first two seasons, like when we saw her

Kelli (31:05.421)
Needed?

Lori (31:11.213)
yeah, I'm sure.

Wendy (31:27.17)
Was she actually hiding it from the ladies? Like, did the ladies have any ideas? She's like, No, they didn't have any idea. She goes, 'Cause I didn't think it was anything. I thought this is just how we live. Like they lived separate lives. She thought that that's what it was. Like she wasn't hiding anything. And then I guess when she got

Kelli (31:35.16)
Right.

Kelli (31:40.866)
He probably got real comfortable in a, you know

Kelli (31:49.325)
He got real comfortable probably not working and letting her go out and hustle. And now she's got this real housewives gig and she's making even more money and now even more endorsements and everything was probably snowballing for her so well. He was like, Okay, I'm just gonna lay back here and, you know, see what happens. And that, yeah, will get real, real old.

Lori (31:57.005)
Uh-huh.

Lori (32:04.982)
Yeah.

Wendy (32:05.379)
Yeah.

Lori (32:12.587)
Well, it's especially if you're not there in any other right, if you're not there to really be supportive. Like if you're a stay at home housewife and your husband goes to work every day and he comes home at eight o'clock and he's tired and he has a shit day, you do nice nice. But because that's what because that's your partner and that

Wendy (32:12.78)
Well I think

Kelli (32:17.686)
Emotionally. Yep.

Wendy (32:19.726)
Mm.

Lori (32:39.849)
And they're your best friends and you know that they're doing you a solid by supporting you every day. And you know what I mean? Like there's a give a take. So if I guess if there's just take, take, take and no give. You know, like so I was explaining that horrible story about her mother. my God, how horrible. That they went away on vacation, they came home and her mother was trashed and the dog had peed and pooped everywhere and there was food.

Kelli (32:46.894)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (32:57.976)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (33:00.184)
That's horrible.

Lori (33:08.427)
And there was no sheets on the bed. She answered the door with her pants hanging off. And like she said, like her and her husband never really had like a conversation about it. I mean that's messed up.

Wendy (33:21.698)
That's really messed up.

Lori (33:23.239)
You know, like that's something that you know, you should be constantly talking about that 'cause she just had to kinda like kick her mom out and that's horrible. That's something you should have been, you know, supporting each other about, like So that that to me was really telling when she told that story. I was like, okay.

Kelli (33:23.276)
Yeah.

Kelli (33:40.803)
Yeah.

Kelli (33:45.078)
Yeah, for sure.

Wendy (33:47.392)
And the fact that her aunt didn't even know that and she's close with that aunt. Her aunt had no idea that that's what went down and how it happened. Like, that's also very telling.

Lori (33:50.337)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (33:57.112)
Yeah.

Wendy (33:59.185)
the next thing we see is Jessel and Pavitt. They're talking about she cleaned out her closets and where to donate stuff and she gives him that jum.

Lori (34:07.511)
well don't forget her stylist came over to help her do it. 'Cause you can't clean out a closet all by yourself. And this is my question. Where, Jessel? What is the address of where you have donated? Because I would like to go to that goodwill. Let us know. Tell us where. Good job, Kel. Tell us where.

Wendy (34:11.418)
yes, yes.

Kelli (34:20.95)
No shit. That's right.

I was thinking the same thing. Tell us where. We wanna know.

Wendy (34:33.826)
Well, maybe we need to just kinda Google, we could figure this out. We gotta find the closest goodwill.

Lori (34:37.601)
I think we should.

Kelli (34:38.318)
We could definitely figure this out. We need to visit some secondhand stores in in New York. And and I I think all of our kids would be happy to go with us.

Lori (34:42.707)
Yes. There's some good pickets there.

Wendy (34:44.82)
In where sh she lives in where does she live? Chelsea?

Lori (34:54.125)
Yeah.

Wendy (34:56.674)
I think she lives in Chelsea, the Chelsea section. Anyway

Kelli (35:00.152)
Somebody lives in Hell's Kitchen, but I think that's Haley, right?

Lori (35:02.913)
Yeah, I think so.

Wendy (35:04.288)
Yeah, that sounds more like Haley. but she's also getting on his his back about like what's going on with his job. So he had a corporate job and he decided that I don't know, this is what I wonder. Did he decide that he didn't want to do the corporate job anymore and he was gonna do the food thing? Or did the corporate job decide that they didn't want him anymore because of his his role in housewives? That's what I wanna know.

Kelli (35:25.996)
I don't know, but I hope he's not pulling a David where he's like, you got this. You got your fashion thing, you got housewise. I'm just gonna go eat some Indian food and talk about it. I love his videos though. I follow him. I love his videos. I hope he blows up. Yes.

Lori (35:26.081)
Who knows?

Lori (35:30.346)
Yeah, right.

Lori (35:36.075)
And right.

Lori (35:41.589)
He is a very good he is a very good food guy. He is. He's very entertaining. He is.

Kelli (35:47.17)
Yes.

Wendy (35:49.696)
Okay. next we see Haley and her mom are bird watching.

Lori (35:54.872)
That was kinda funny though, in the beginning where they were like synced up and yeah.

Wendy (35:57.081)
Honestly was hysterical. I was like so weird.

Kelli (35:59.991)
It was very Grey Gardens.

Lori (36:02.527)
It was very great gardens. Yes.

Kelli (36:03.68)
It was very great gardens.

Lori (36:06.635)
Yeah, that was funny.

Wendy (36:08.45)
Her mom brings up therapy and she asks her how her therapy's going. And Haley says, Well, it's going good. Like she fills my Xanax every month. I just want to say this. As someone who's seen a therapist and has seen a psychiatrist, therapists do not fill prescriptions. They are not medical doctors. Only psychiatrists can do that. So either you're talking to your psychiatrist and she's filling your prescriptions.

Kelli (36:23.852)
No, they do not. No, they are not.

Lori (36:24.258)
No, they don't.

Yes. Yeah.

Wendy (36:34.08)
Or you're seeing a therapist who's actually a psychiatrist and she's filling your prescriptions. I just wanted to put that out there.

Lori (36:39.009)
Right. Right. But no therapist is filling your Xanax. No. But now see this is my problem. We talk about all this Haley stuff about, you know, she's full of shit with the mom and blah blah blah. But

Kelli (36:43.192)
Correct.

Lori (36:55.969)
The mother was is everything is about her.

Wendy (37:02.092)
The mother's loopy as well. The mother's totally loopy. Yep. Totally loopy.

Lori (37:03.667)
Loopy as hell. Loopy as hell.

Kelli (37:05.994)
I I agree, but this is when I started thinking, I think Haley has just been this spoiled little brat her whole life. Her mom is one hundred percent hip to her her antics and she's just letting her, you know.

Kelli (37:29.218)
Do what she does, Haley, and act all goofy and quirky and

Lori (37:32.716)
Right, but but what but why but why would you why would you present yourself in the manner that her mother presented herself on purpose? Like to me that that doesn't make any sense because if if that was my child, I would never have answered with the answers that Haley's mother the way she answered. 'Cause everything she made No, 'cause their mother made it

Kelli (37:56.322)
What when she said it's time to move on?

Lori (38:00.897)
i every single thing the mother said had to do with herself. Besides it besides just asking Haley how therapy was going, every other thing she said, she's there's nobody that can understand what we went through. I just really paid attention to how her mother answered. And her mother answered all about how the situation with the paparazzi affected her.

Kelli (38:05.208)
What did she say?

Wendy (38:21.368)
She yeah, she did.

Lori (38:30.795)
She d she did and I thought to myself Well okay, well if what Kelly's saying is true and what Kim D is saying is true, then why would the mother present herself that way on camera? That makes doesn't make any sense. You understand what I'm saying, Wendy?

Kelli (38:44.578)
Yeah.

Wendy (38:45.41)
She did. She 100% did. Yeah, no, she did. She said, you know, I was going through it with you. She said, when she was going through it, she didn't have her family support. Haley said that because her mother kept saying, Well, we were going through this together. And it wasn't her. And we also I also found out on Watch What Happens Live because Erin talked about the covers of the magazines that Haley put up online. Haley said

Kelli (38:47.244)
Yeah.

Wendy (39:15.17)
Those covers, those actual magazines are at her mother's house. That's where those magazines live. And she did one TikTok when she was casting for the show. She was casting for the show, took over a year, and she did a TikTok about that, and that's what Erin was referring to. It's not like she did all these TikToks and all these posts about these cover.

Kelli (39:38.35)
But if it's so triggering for you, why I understand it's gonna come up and I understand you're gonna have to talk about it. But you did a whole TikTok about covers you were on to try to get on a show.

Wendy (39:42.818)
Well, if you're casting for a show, she Right.

Lori (39:54.562)
Because I think because that is that is to her, that is part of her story. And to her, it's not about it's not about the covers. It's about the trauma that it caused her. So for her, that's her story. That's her gig. Like this really this really effed me up.

Wendy (40:01.016)
It is.

Wendy (40:06.669)
Right.

Kelli (40:09.656)
But you pull out all those covers like you can't just talk about it. You can't just say I was in a situation, blah blah blah. You're like, and here's this cover and here's this cover and here's this cover. It's like Are you triggered or are you using this to get on a show?

Wendy (40:29.666)
Listen. I don't know either, but I'm just you know, tell any what I know about

Kelli (40:29.678)
I don't know.

Kelli (40:34.444)
I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what I do know. I don't wanna hear about her dating John Gosslin anymore.

Lori (40:41.003)
Well, I don't think there's any hope for that.

Kelli (40:43.328)
I mean, it's like all right, we're only four episodes in. I'm hoping that this is gonna dwindle down a little bit.

Wendy (40:43.853)
Yeah.

Wendy (40:49.996)
I'm waiting for John Gosslin to do a cameo.

Lori (40:50.229)
We'll see. Yeah, where's that?

Kelli (40:52.416)
I mean w the k can we just nip this in the bud already? Yeah. Just get John on the show. Let's just get this all over with.

Wendy (40:55.886)
Supposedly they're still friends. Supposedly she's still friends with him and his wife.

Kelli (41:01.11)
Great, bring on and let's it just kill it. But Laura, I do think that there's something to what you were saying because in her confessional, the remember last week when her mother called her during the confessional and she's like, All right, Ma, like I'm in the confessional and her mother just kept talking and talking and talking and talking. Yeah. Like I mean I my parents kinda do that too, but

Lori (41:16.226)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (41:19.991)
Right. Going and going and going and going. That's why I'm saying. I I I don't know. I don't know how I don't know how it's gonna play out for me yet.

Kelli (41:31.446)
Yeah. her mom's definitely a little off her rocker too.

Wendy (41:37.666)
Yeah, I agree. We'll have to wait and see. We like I said we only got four episodes. There's a lot to unfold with this onion. There's a lot of layers to peel back.

Kelli (41:43.03)
Yeah. There's a lot of layers to peel.

Lori (41:44.749)
A lot of the layers.

Wendy (41:46.55)
Okay, next scene, so happy, another Martha Stewart scene, and her publicist. OMG

Lori (41:50.509)
She is fun she is really funny. She's really funny, Martha Stewart.

Kelli (41:52.878)
I'll tell you what, I don't think producers are doing her very well like I think the producers are doing her a little dirty.

Lori (42:00.301)
Martha? Why?

Wendy (42:02.158)
I think she's coming off fine. I think she's coming off like the the Martha that she is. I do too. And I don't think she has a problem with it.

Lori (42:04.437)
I think that's her I think that's her. I think that's her.

Kelli (42:07.662)
I feel like she came off a little

Lori (42:10.325)
Snooty, Snotty. yeah, but I think that's her. I think that that's real I think that's

Kelli (42:11.65)
Demanding like that's just her. I guess the producers are like, Listen, we're doing the best we can.

Lori (42:18.858)
I think that that's her.

Wendy (42:21.462)
Yeah. I mean listen, they're sitting at the at the Yeah. I do too. I do too.

Lori (42:22.487)
But I I think that that's how Martha Stewart really made a name for her. I think that's how because you gotta realize when Martha Stewart was coming up, there were not a lot of women in that stratosphere. And I think that if she wasn't as demanding or such a strong personality, I don't think she would have made it as far as what she made it.

Kelli (42:49.474)
Right. Right.

Wendy (42:50.776)
We talked about that last week, Lori and I. I said that. Like I think that Martha Stewart, like I I did see her documentary, movie series, miniseries that she did. she didn't have it easy. And I give her a lot of credit, and I think we're seeing exactly who she is. I think that whole thing with the the kid walking by and her sta her saying, Me too. I did too.

Lori (43:10.889)
my God. I laughed so hard. You you know why? I wrote it down. I said, my God, Martha, you are hanging out with your chickens too much. She was like, like clucking at them. I'm like, girl, what are you doing?

Wendy (43:23.214)
She was clicking. I put the same I said the same thing. I said the same thing. I'm she's like clicking like a dog, but you're right. Chickens, that's it. Chickens. I was thinking a dog. Chickens. That's it. Yep.

Kelli (43:25.078)
She clucked at children. She clucked at a child.

Lori (43:33.111)
Chickens. She's hanging out with them f freaking chickens too much. Yes.

Kelli (43:37.56)
would have sto I would have been like, Are you clucking at my child?

Lori (43:41.355)
My son, exactly what she was doing. And I loved how she was like eyeing up eyeing up the boulders. It's great.

Wendy (43:50.674)
my I was la I love every scene that Martha is in. I'm not lying. I want Martha in every episode.

Lori (43:56.558)
Do you want some ice water?

Kelli (43:57.293)
I mean, I can't believe what a presence she is on this show. Yeah.

Lori (44:01.493)
It's great. Do you want some ice water? She looks thirsty and then like it's a boy and she's like, we'll talk about that later.

Kelli (44:05.71)
Th those people walked away and the kid was like, We're going to get my hair cut right now.

Wendy (44:07.958)
No, she said

Lori (44:12.449)
Yeah, right now. Yeah, come on. Yeah.

Wendy (44:13.014)
kid had two ponytail ponytails in his hair. So it's not like Martha was completely off, but you know. But the mom said the mom said is the mom said his name is David, and she said, Steven, okay, Steven. She changed his name to Steven.

Kelli (44:18.331)
She was not off. I thought it was a girl from behind too.

Lori (44:21.961)
yeah.

Lori (44:29.131)
Great.

Wendy (44:30.126)
Would she do that? she's gotta be in her eighties.

Kelli (44:30.764)
I mean, she's is she eighty?

Kelli (44:35.47)
She's nearing it, if not there.

Lori (44:35.821)
No. Yeah.

Wendy (44:38.36)
I don't know, but I am so in love with her. I really am. She makes this whole show for me. So then Daisy Daisy shows up and she apologizes for showing up late because she couldn't find parking. And Martha said, Are you still driving yourself? And she's like, Well, you know, Dale has the week off. And Martha said, Well, you gotta figure, like, how many tickets are you getting? She's like, I don't wanna say, but she's like, You gotta figure out financially is it is it beneficial? She's like, It's actually cheaper for me to have the driver.

Lori (44:40.717)
She's a pisser.

Kelli (44:43.256)
She is doing a great job.

Wendy (45:07.01)
than to get all these tickets. And listen, she looks great.

Kelli (45:08.91)
She is eighty five years old.

Lori (45:10.957)
God bless her. God bless her. And and and listen, you go over her calendar and you're like, holy shit, eighty five. And she's like all over. She's all over. Dysterical.

Kelli (45:14.126)
Amazing.

Wendy (45:18.806)
My God and she

Kelli (45:18.958)
I'd be exhausted. Yeah.

Wendy (45:24.93)
I was so yeah. I mean her schedule was packed. And packed, packed. I mean, going to Texas, going here, then going Martha's Vineyard, and then going there. And Daisy's like, well, you I'm off next week. And we know she's off because she's got to go on this trip, this cash trip. And Martha says, Listen, you know, I'm getting a little pissed. Okay. And she's like, why? She's like, because I don't have Daisy when I want Daisy.

Lori (45:29.495)
Crazy for an eighty five year old.

Kelli (45:40.329)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Wendy (45:53.206)
And her public is like, y you'd better know where your bread is buttered.

Kelli (45:57.411)
Yeah, I didn't that's that's what I didn't like. Like I understand, but she's got a husband and a kid.

Lori (46:00.863)
I think she I think she was I think she was I know, but I think she was joking this publicist because she knows that Martha likes to get her way. So she was just being like I think she was just being funny.

Wendy (46:09.867)
And right.

Wendy (46:13.804)
Yeah. And then she's talking

Lori (46:15.243)
And listen, the the the bottom line is that's up to Daisy to set those boundaries. So

Kelli (46:19.982)
Absolutely.

Wendy (46:21.998)
Yeah, but then they they it they keeps going on. She's talking about how she's send she just had to pay for summer camp and it's eleven thousand. And Martha's like, that's good. And then the publicist asks about soccer, and she's like, my god, we've got to get tickets to FIFA. And Martha's like, I got two tickets to the finals. And she's like, You can't get me two more. well, you have to talk to your friend Erica because her husband got it. He has to give them to his clients. That's me. I was like, my God. They all they were.

Lori (46:46.785)
Yeah, and then she's like they're forty to sixty K a ticket.

Kelli (46:50.582)
Yeah, and and Daisy says, How do normal people do stuff like that? And and she's like, They don't. That was the other thing I didn't like.

Lori (46:56.267)
Yeah.

Wendy (46:56.654)
She's right. And she's right. I loved it. She's absolutely right. Listen, Martha went to jail. This girl she could do no wrong in my book. I'm sorry. She she went to jail for a bullshit reason. She did her time. She's back on top. Martha, you do whatever the F you want. Go ahead. You be you, girl. She's right. I did too. I did too.

Lori (47:01.133)
She's right, it was funny.

Kelli (47:06.622)
No, she can say whatever she wants, but I was like

Lori (47:17.621)
The root money.

Yeah, it's funny.

Wendy (47:24.086)
then we see Carol's at the Edison Ballroom for the New York Group Gala.

Lori (47:30.283)
And how do you like how how Aaron said, I hope Daisy is stoned tonight, because I don't want to deal with what I had to deal with at Passover. cause yeah, Haley. Yeah, Aaron was yeah, talking about Haley. That Daisy, what do I write Daisy for? Yeah. But But you caused it, so what are you talking about?

Wendy (47:30.712)
Hallelujah.

Wendy (47:38.829)
You mean Hailey?

Wendy (47:51.756)
Yeah. Right. And then when she walks in

Kelli (47:54.286)
She didn't expect the response she got from Halley.

Lori (47:57.132)
That's a problem.

Wendy (47:57.967)
She didn't expect that's it. She doesn't expect anyone to stand up to her. And that's what Sai was saying to her. Like, you don't need to feel sorry. You were just sticking up for yourself. Like you, you're fine. And I got you. But when she walks in and she says hi to Carol, she doesn't, she just ignores Aaron, who's standing right there. But I will tell you, Erin was about to call her out, and then all of a sudden, Jennifer Tilley, again, a perfect placement. Jennifer Tilley shows up with those boobs.

Kelli (48:05.634)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (48:06.582)
Right.

Kelli (48:23.138)
Yeah, where'd she come from?

Lori (48:24.653)
Perfect.

Yeah. But listen, what was wrong with Aaron asking asking Haley like Grilliner? Like, I don't understand. Why didn't you say hi? Like, really?

Kelli (48:38.06)
Yeah, exactly.

Lori (48:39.681)
Like who's hot here?

Wendy (48:40.012)
Right. She was causing trouble. Right. Right. She was trying to cause trouble.

Kelli (48:41.228)
Right. Right.

Wendy (48:46.392)
But then when she starts playing Jennifer Tilly's boobs like they are bongos and sh

Lori (48:50.665)
No, banjos. She said banjos. She said banjos instead of bonjos. She said banjos. Which makes it even better.

Wendy (48:53.794)
she said banjo, she didn't say bongos.

Kelli (48:56.482)
She said banjos. Somebody somebody corrected her, but not correct like corrected her in their confessional, right?

Lori (49:03.841)
Yeah, yeah, it was great. She said banjos. It was and then she like wanted to go zoom in for a hug. She wanted to feel them boobs. Up close and personal.

Wendy (49:15.416)
That was funny. I'm sorry, that was funny. then Jessel shows up and she sees Carol and Carol's like, you look so beautiful and she's like, it's an Indian designer. Like it felt like she needed to she felt like she needed to get that in there. Okay. They probably cut it out. They probably did.

Kelli (49:29.986)
Yeah. She probably said the name too when they edited it out. Why would she not say the name if she's gonna go, you know, take the extra step to say yes, this was an Indian designer? Absolutely say the name. Say the name.

Lori (49:34.989)
Maybe.

Wendy (49:41.164)
And you know what? They should have given it. They should have put it out there.

Lori (49:43.329)
They should have given it, absolutely. Yeah, they definitely should have given it.

Wendy (49:46.563)
Jessel, we should check her Instagram. I hope Jessel puts it out there. I hope she does. Why not? Yeah. 'Cause that's her platform. I mean she wants to highlight Indian designers and she's got the platform to do it. Right. Right. but then at the auction, I don't know who thought to sit Erin next to Haley. Like what were they thinking?

Kelli (49:49.996)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (49:50.081)
Yeah, they should have put it out there.

Kelli (49:55.785)
She did it with the jewelry already. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (50:07.758)
Producers. That's it.

Lori (50:07.905)
They were thinking from a production standpoint 'cause they knew they were gonna argue. Yeah, that was a dumb move.

Kelli (50:12.79)
And listen, with all due respect, Carol, you're filming for the real housewives. So you exactly. You know what's gonna happen. There are cameras around. So for that woman to be like, this is so disrespectful. Bitch, there's a camera behind you. People are mic'd up. People don't get mic'ed up unless they're gonna be talking on camera. It's like, come on.

Lori (50:20.971)
Right. What do you think was gonna happen?

Lori (50:26.997)
Thank

Lori (50:33.055)
Right. Right.

Lori (50:39.605)
Now I will say none of those bitches though held up a paddle.

Kelli (50:44.18)
Not that we saw. Did that come up on Watch What Happens Live?

Lori (50:46.123)
Right. But I mean

Wendy (50:49.418)
No, it did not come up on What W Watch What Happen slide.

Lori (50:50.721)
Because even even if it was like expensive, they could have went in on a table and did one paddle and all but I was just like,

Kelli (50:57.944)
Sure. Yeah.

Not yeah, not that we saw.

Lori (51:04.167)
Yeah. And we did not.

Wendy (51:04.61)
We did not see any paddles go up. but how about when it ends and Carol's clapping and Jessel once again, she's like, my god, you are clapping so loud, it's like a seal. I'm like, Is she literally in her own bubble?

Kelli (51:18.42)
Bunny.

Wendy (51:21.752)
After everything that just went on, this is what you talk about?

Lori (51:21.825)
Thank you. Right. Thank you for inv right. Thank you for inviting me to your lovely event. But could you clap a little softer?

Kelli (51:30.222)
I thought that was so like if somebody said that to me, I would laugh. That's something Eric and I would say to we like, you know, what are you a seal? Like, stop.

Lori (51:34.241)
Hmm.

Right, but that's different. Right, that's different. But you're married. Twenty something years.

Wendy (51:39.31)
But I'm s yeah, but that's the point. Like you're ma so Jessel, who already has a problem with Carol, says it to Carol who invited her to this thing, and the other two are sitting next to Carol fighting, and then you're c like, What? Like, do you not realize what is going on? Like ding bat. Ding bat. Like that's all I can say.

Kelli (51:52.952)
So funny.

Lori (51:53.421)
Ding bat. Ding bat. Ding bat.

Wendy (52:01.377)
Okay. Next watch what happens live. It was Cy and Haley, and Britney Bateman was in the Oprah chair. It turns out you ready for this? Brittany Bateman is besties with Haley Glassman.

Kelli (52:07.886)
Kelli (52:15.838)
This is not surprising at all. This should not surprise anyone at all.

Lori (52:16.813)
boy.

That's quite the pair.

Wendy (52:20.62)
They accidentally met at a Starbucks in New York City and now they are besties and every time Brittany comes to New York she stays at Haley's.

Kelli (52:30.572)
When did this happen, this accidental New York meetup?

Wendy (52:34.609)
several years ago.

Kelli (52:36.503)
No.

Lori (52:39.127)
That's gotta be a good time.

Wendy (52:39.713)
Yeah. So I told you about the first question about the salt. The next question Andy asked Haley, like your mom encouraged you to have the affair with John Gosslin, and she's like, It wasn't an affair. He said, Well, like you were dating him. She said, Well, how like how were your mom friends? She he said, She said, Well, my dad did Kate Gosslin's tummy tuck in two thousand seven. Then Andy says, just veering off topic, has your dad done any of your plastic surgery?

W first of all, v veering off topic and Hallie says

none of my plastic surgery has been done by my dad. Like sure first she paused. Okay. That was weird. Then Andy says, Chanel Ion, yeah, Chanel Ion on threads asked her to ask asked him to ask Haley how her nose is. Is her nose okay? Because I might have broken it also. Did she love kissing me? Haley says,

Kelli (53:32.014)
Well, it's kind of rude.

Kelli (53:48.568)
You know, Chanel's very thirsty, I'm noticing. I didn't watch Dubai, so I I never realized the thirst.

Wendy (53:52.4)
yes, she's very thirsty.

Wendy (53:57.323)
I did. I actually like her. I actually really like her. She is thirsty though.

So Chanel. So Haley said, yes, she did. She has great lips. I licked her nipple, but it didn't break my nose. And Andy is like very confused. He's like, You're serious? And she points to Sai. She's like, You were at dinner with me. And Sai's like, Well, where was I? She's like, Outside. She said, She said to me, she lifted up her shirt and said, Do you think these could break your nose? And I said, No, they're too small. So then we tried it, but yeah, it didn't. I liked her nickel.

I licked her nipple. I was like, what is going on here?

Kelli (54:40.534)
This is the shit Andy lives for.

Wendy (54:40.93)
This is this is the shit. This is the shit. And he then says, how big w was the boob that broke your nose? And she said they were huge. They were double D. he said Yeah. Kelly's like, yeah, double D. I could break a nose or two.

Lori (54:42.776)
I'm sure.

Kelli (55:00.148)
Ex exactly. Fucking break your jaw. Yeah.

Lori (55:03.989)
It was like I'll break your head.

Lori (55:09.781)
Mm.

Wendy (55:10.424)
Then Andy said, By the way, I was happy to see that you and Aaron squashed the beef at the charity event. And Haley again is looking at him like a deer in the headlights. She doesn't say anything. he asked Sai, like, what's going on with the divorce? She's like, I'm still going through the divorce. And he asked, Was there a Yep.

Kelli (55:25.492)
She's gonna have a real battle on her hands. This guy is looking for a payout.

Lori (55:30.775)
Yeah, buddy.

Wendy (55:32.687)
she she mentioned about him filing. That was the that was the you know point of no return for her. He asked her how co-parenting was going. She said, Not good. Then Andy says to Haley, You have to tell them how we met. Andy and Haley. Ready for you gotta hear this. Haley said, You want me to say it or you say it? So she's like, I'll say it. So we met three or four years ago outside this place called the Cubbyhole. I was outside with this girl that I was sleeping with, and we were fighting at the time.

I was smoking a joint and you came out, Andy. So I shared the joint with you. You disfused the fight, and the next thing you know, we had a great sleepover.

Kelli (56:11.682)
With Andy?

Wendy (56:13.784)
That's how she left it. I don't know. I don't know.

I was like

Kelli (56:22.462)
Isn't the cubbyhole the subject of a conversation on Summer House with Jesse Solomon and Lexi Wood and they went to the cubbyhole with her parents and her sister or something? I gotta look into that.

Wendy (56:36.974)
I don't think that was the cubby hole.

Kelli (56:40.588)
And he was like, I don't know if you want to go to the cubby hole but your parents like

Wendy (56:42.798)
I think it was the box. There's a place in New York City called the Box that me I used to work at. And it's it's very it's the bo I don't think it's the cubbyhole. I think it's the box.

Kelli (56:56.491)
Okay. Okay.

Wendy (56:58.68)
Because I don't think it's the cubbyhole. So then Andy plays another game with Haley. The game is Have you gotten high there? He asks her, Times Square, yes. Zoo, yes. Before the dentist, she goes, I get high at the dentist. Another housewife's apartment, she says yes. Cruise ships, she says yes. In this building today, she said no. She said no. I know.

Lori (57:20.438)
Sure, she said yes.

Kelli (57:24.034)
That I call such bullshit on that because Andy smokes with all of his guests who openly smoke weed before they start filming in the green room. Exactly. I call bullshit on that.

Wendy (57:30.358)
I agree. And it's legal. It's legal in New York. I I do too. In a bookstore, she said, I haven't been to a bookstore. In a lover's bathroom, she said yes. Brooklyn, she said yes. At a fashion show, I don't go to them. Tent, she said yes. I was like, my God, this is the worst. Watch what happens live.

Lori (57:33.282)
Right.

Lori (57:39.319)
God's sake.

Wendy (57:50.777)
But then we he also asks like how she got cast. And she talks about she was in this place in her life and she had a dream and it was like two years ago, because it takes a long time to get cast. That she was like stuck in this house and she couldn't get out and she thought that this was like a metaphor for her life. And then she woke up the next morning from this dream and then she saw some place that there was like casting for Housewives of New York, so she applied.

Almost like what?

Lori (58:20.469)
Okay.

Kelli (58:21.55)
I love how Andy pretends that he doesn't know how these women get cast.

Lori (58:25.409)
Yeah, meanwhile.

Kelli (58:26.966)
You're doing the hiring and firing.

Lori (58:28.927)
Yeah, yeah. It's great.

Wendy (58:29.954)
You're l and you're like, Yeah, I smoked a joint with her three years ago. Yeah, we're gonna hire Hallie.

Kelli (58:35.884)
Yeah, like ridiculous.

Wendy (58:38.86)
It's ridiculous. Remember I last week I mentioned to you about how Danny Murphy Murphy and Evan Real from page six like really spoke horrible. Well she was just on there. He was they she was just on their podcast. And he he admitted that he spoke badly. And now all of a sudden they're kumbayaing. Kumbaya. How do you say that plurally?

Lori (58:46.763)
Right. Badly about her, yeah.

Kelli (58:49.748)
really?

Lori (59:00.557)
Yes, you said it. Kumbayaing, yes. Correct.

Wendy (59:03.584)
Okay, okay. And now it's like, Yeah, I said that, but I was wrong about you. Yeah, I was wrong about you. And I'm like, You've gotta be kid Yes, yes. Yep, flip floppers.

Kelli (59:09.25)
These are the guys from reality.

Lori (59:11.884)
Yes.

Kelli (59:13.998)
Flip floppers.

Lori (59:15.467)
Yeah, so like I said, I I don't know, I c I can't figure that whole situation out yet.

Kelli (59:20.288)
I don't know about Haley, I'm on the fence. I feel like she was just a spoiled brat her whole life.

Lori (59:25.921)
I think she I think you're right. I think she's definitely a spoiled brat, but there's something else there. I don't I don't know. We'll see.

Kelli (59:33.036)
It's like she wants to talk about the John Gossel thing, but she doesn't want anybody else to talk about the John Gossel thing. She w you know, does it it's very triggering for her, but she did a TikTok showing all of these magazine covers and used it to get on the show.

Wendy (59:47.831)
Yeah, there's all that.

Kelli (59:48.706)
Whatever. I just don't want to talk about John Costlin.

Lori (59:48.833)
Wendy (59:51.778)
Okay, well it's we're at an hour, so we're done. This is enough. No, they don't. All right, well thank you No, I don't either. Thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye.

Lori (59:53.675)
Yeah. We're done. That's it. Yeah. No one wants to listen to I don't want to listen to me.

Kelli (59:54.253)
Yeah, nobody wants to.

Kelli (01:00:03.704)
Bye.

Lori (01:00:04.513)
Bye.