RHOM-Wretched, Ratchet & Wrecked Friendships

Wendy (00:01.189)
Hi, welcome to We Why Whenever, I'm Wendy. We are talking about Real Housewives of Miami, Season 7, Episode Number 13. Next stop.

Kelli (00:03.98)
I'm Kelly.

Kelli (00:12.526)
That's pretty surprising that there's been 13 of these so far.

Wendy (00:16.265)
I know. Next up, Marabella or Marbella. Who knows? Nobody knows. I know.

Kelli (00:21.516)
Marbella, yeah. Everybody's saying it's a different way, so I don't think we should get too much heat for saying it the way we say it.

Wendy (00:31.417)
I don't think so either. So we start out, it's the morning of the trip. Julia says that Alexia and Marisol are not coming. Julia is not taking it personally. Well, that's crazy. That's just playing crazy.

Kelli (00:46.382)
Well, it's crazy because you started a whole beef with Gerdy, which was your storyline, because she couldn't stay on a Zoom call when you were announcing that you adopted your boys. But now you're not mad at Alexia Marisol.

Wendy (00:56.826)
Right.

Wendy (01:00.463)
Right.

Wendy (01:08.431)
So Marisol and her confessional says that after she slept on it, she didn't like that Stephanie said she would leave people there if there was fighting.

Kelli (01:16.654)
She did say that.

Wendy (01:17.893)
Alexia sends a text to Stephanie that she was not going to be traveling with them today. Now, Julian knew what was going on. Listen, I think that the way they showed it to us was all bullshit because I don't know what was on the after show or someplace else, but, or maybe it was, I don't know. There was more that happened that we never got to see.

So after, you know, the way that the episode ended last week, they were sitting downstairs and they were trying to figure out the seating chart for the plane and how they could make it work, right?

Kelli (01:53.144)
It was Larsa, Stephanie, Alexia, and Marisol, yeah.

Wendy (01:56.133)
Yes. So after that, there was a bunch of stuff that we never saw. So they all went back to their rooms and then, uh, Mar- it wasn't that she slept on it. They decided the night before because they went back to their rooms and,

Wendy (02:15.313)
Marisol, I don't know if she called Stephanie and Larsa, but they were aware that there were some hard feelings about this. And then all of a sudden, Alexia and Marisol see Gertie walking down the hallway and she's going to Stephanie's room. And they're like, where are you going? She's like, well, I'm going to talk to Stephanie. Because at this point, Marisol and Alexia had told everybody not to get on the plane. They wanted them all to boycott the plane.

because they didn't like the way Stephanie was dangling the carrot in front of them. And they were annoyed with Gertie for even going down there to talk to her because they had put out the word that nobody was to go on that plane. But we didn't see any of that.

Kelli (02:58.542)
And this is so funny because later in the episode, Alexia accuses Stephanie of being bossy and bossing everyone around. Meanwhile, you're telling everyone what to do and getting bent that Gertie is not falling in line. They're just mean girls.

Wendy (03:10.201)
Yes, exactly.

Wendy (03:16.899)
Right. Yeah.

Wendy (03:21.805)
It's a little crazy, right? It's a little crazy. Stephanie's hurt. She thought that they were in good place. Adriana wants to talk to Kiki and apologize, but Kiki doesn't want to engage yet.

Kelli (03:23.777)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (03:38.136)
Wait, how about when Stephanie was hurt and she says, they have to go and do this to me? You? They're really doing it to Julia. Like this is Julia's big day to ask her friend to be the godfather. Like it's really not about you, Stephanie, but whatever.

Wendy (03:43.875)
Yeah. What did... Right. What did they do to you? Right.

Yeah.

Wendy (03:58.371)
Yeah, because then Stephanie says to Julia, like, what happened? Julia explains that they were afraid that they would be left behind. And that's when we see the ladies on the plane dancing and laughing because those two weren't there.

Kelli (04:12.588)
And then they flashed to Alexia Marisol and they're just sitting there on their phones.

Wendy (04:16.342)
I know, I know that was funny. Stephanie says before they land, I'm sorry that you missed Julia's event because you didn't want to follow the rules of the plane. Anyone who doesn't agree, you are not okay. I'm like, okay.

Kelli (04:31.298)
There was a lot of rules. There was a lot of rules.

Wendy (04:32.837)
It was a lot of rules. She's making it about herself. It wasn't about her. It was about Julia. Julia's very grateful to Stephanie to be there. They arrive at the home of her friends, Derek and Jeffrey. It's called Villa Moana, or Mona. It's gorgeous. Gertie said this is some white lotus shit. Yeah.

Kelli (04:36.876)
Yes, it wasn't about her. Right.

Kelli (04:50.872)
and it's beautiful.

Kelli (04:57.666)
And then Lisa said the same thing. I gotta watch that show. Did you ever watch it?

Wendy (05:01.773)
I watched a couple seasons. I did not watch the last season. I started the last season and I didn't really like the way it was going so I stopped watching it. But the first couple seasons are really good. And Jennifer Coolidge wasn't in the last season and I wasn't interested without her. I do too. Julia says that she stays there every year for about three weeks. I they are very good friends I guess if she's staying there.

Kelli (05:10.168)
Okay.

Kelli (05:19.595)
I like her,

Kelli (05:28.162)
Yeah, and her girls have been there.

Wendy (05:29.719)
Yep, the house is amazing and they've been friends for 15 years, but Jeffrey's not there either. So it's only Derek. This is so, I mean, this is so ridiculous to be honest with you.

Kelli (05:35.628)
Right, right. It is a little odd that she would do this without Martina and the other gentlemen being there. Like that's a big moment to ask someone to be your child's godparent. But you know, she's on a TV show and she's trying to make a TV show, so.

Wendy (05:45.591)
Right.

Wendy (05:50.062)
Right.

Wendy (05:56.559)
So they're sitting down and Derek asks, is anything exciting going on? And Lisa says, well, I have an announcement. After yesterday, I'm officially divorced.

Kelli (06:05.486)
That was I didn't see that coming

Wendy (06:09.413)
All the ladies say congrats, they're all cheers except for Larsa under her breath says, congrats on what lawsuits?

Kelli (06:18.894)
She's such a bitch, I'm sorry. She's just a complete bitch. Why is she so mad at Lisa? Because Lisa actually has something to bring to the show. She's actually showing us her life. And this makes total sense about the two nights prior where she had to have something signed within an hour. He probably said, we'll make this official if she could sign it within an hour, thinking she wouldn't because she wasn't in the country.

Wendy (06:20.377)
She really is. She's so bitter. Yeah.

Wendy (06:41.434)
Yeah.

Wendy (06:48.877)
Right, right.

Kelli (06:50.114)
to be an asshole, but what is Larsa's problem? You bring nothing to the show. You don't show us anything.

Wendy (06:53.284)
I know.

Yeah, and I totally agree. mean, and then Lisa even tries to cheers Larsa and she wouldn't even cheers her.

Kelli (07:03.096)
when cheers are I mean come on get this girl off the show I'm tired of her I'm fucking tired of her

Wendy (07:10.807)
I am too. I would like to see next season with Stephanie and not Larsa. That's what I would like to say.

Kelli (07:16.738)
Yeah, yeah. That would be good because they're BFF so it would be nice to split them up. Honestly, I'm ready for a split up of Alexia and Marisol too. I can't even stand to watch them on the after show. They're either fighting with each other or up each other's ass.

Wendy (07:34.586)
Did you watch them fighting with each other where where Alexia is telling Marisol that she's talking too much? I was just like what?

Kelli (07:36.014)
Yeah!

Kelli (07:39.884)
Yes!

Exactly! It's weird. It's weird.

Wendy (07:45.701)
Could you imagine? It'd be like you and I doing the podcast and I'd be like, Kelly, you need to stop talking so much.

Kelli (07:53.229)
Right, Marisol's there just for the same reasons you're there, Alexia. I she's only a friend of, but whatever. They still asked her to be on the after show.

Wendy (08:03.621)
I don't even, I don't know how they can consider them friends of on Miami because they are there for every single event. Every single friend of is there every event.

Kelli (08:09.975)
I know.

feel like that's across the board now too though. Because look at Real Housewives of O.C. I mean we're seeing Gretchen at her house with Slade and Skyler. Like I think these friend of roles and in confessionals, which that little Bo Peep outfit Gretchen had on, that was a little costumish. That was a little costumish, but whatever.

Wendy (08:21.633)
And in confessionals, and in confessionals. Right.

I don't think we're done with it. I think we're gonna see more of it. It was, it was.

Well, you didn't see her on the after show. The after show, my God, she's got like 80s prom hair. And she does. You gotta see. Like the updo, you gotta see it.

Kelli (08:41.325)
No.

Kelli (08:45.268)
No. I'm definitely watching that. I'll watch that after this.

She, I mean, sometimes I think she still does a French twist, like girl.

Wendy (08:59.351)
Yeah, yeah, 80s prom hair. Whatever.

Kelli (09:03.607)
Whatever exactly.

Wendy (09:06.693)
Actually, Larsa says in her confessional, what am I toasting to Lisa? It's not, it's gonna continue with Lenny. It's a pause, not a period. I'm like, shut up.

Kelli (09:15.682)
It's a pause, not, yep, she did say that. She'll come up with something else. I mean, that's terrible thing to say.

Wendy (09:21.558)
Yeah.

Wendy (09:25.091)
It is because I do think that Lisa is done with Lenny. If anything comes up, it's because Lenny is bringing it up, not because Lisa wants it to be brought up.

Kelli (09:33.294)
Right, right.

Wendy (09:35.893)
Derek has some other friends coming over to visit to hang out with the ladies. Lars is saying that she wishes Alexia and Marisol would have come. Julia says, honest to God, I really don't hold it against them. Which I'm like, all right. Stephanie and her confessional says like, wow, you're giving them a whole pass for missing one of your biggest days of your life, which I totally agree with.

Kelli (10:00.6)
Totally agree.

Wendy (10:02.212)
Back, I have the picture. So back in Sevilla, the ladies are at the cafe and they're talking about how they're so happy not hearing all the drama about the plane and how Marisol said, let's be friends without favors. Like, let's, you know, we don't need this plane. Like, let's just be friends. We don't need to be like dangling this carrot. Yeah.

Kelli (10:25.55)
I mean, she's not wrong. Stephanie is very annoying about the plane and her Birkins.

Wendy (10:31.661)
Yes, and Marisol says it's about delivery and that Stephanie just doesn't know how to deliver. But Marisol, she should start a school teaching people about delivery because she learned from the best of them, Elsa, Mama Elsa. And they cut to the scene where Mama Elsa says to that woman that she's going to, will hit you with my pocketbook. was just like.

Kelli (10:53.068)
Forget why she said that to that woman.

Wendy (10:55.523)
That was at some fundraiser thing and I don't remember what it was about either, but I so remember her saying that I will hit you with my, I will hit you with my pocketbook. So although I really could not stand, she probably was, although I could not stand the whole scene with those two, I will say that I was so in love with their whole outfits. So.

Kelli (11:01.472)
I do too.

Kelli (11:07.32)
think she was a little sauced up when she said that.

Kelli (11:22.159)
I did love their outfits. Yeah.

Wendy (11:24.237)
This is it. First of all, I couldn't get enough of Marisol's simple black dress. The hat was actually perfect. Those handbags. Do you see the handbags? my gosh, the handbags. That little Chanel wicker bag. So I just, I had to put it up there because when I saw that...

Kelli (11:35.693)
Yeah.

Kelli (11:39.245)
Yeah.

And I'm not like a logo person, but I did like Alexia's outfit.

Wendy (11:48.237)
I did too, it looked very nice on her. I'm also not a logo person, the aesthetic of that scene, I tried, it was very nice. was like, this I'm here for, this I'm here for. I didn't give a shit about what they were saying, but this is what I took away from that scene.

Kelli (11:50.22)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (11:56.621)
Yeah, it was nice.

Kelli (12:05.911)
Right, right.

Yeah, I like it.

Wendy (12:12.553)
Marisol is talking to Richard Branson and she's planning something special with him to celebrate her wedding. Richard

Kelli (12:19.702)
Now is this back in Miami this is gonna happen or while they're here in Spain? Okay.

Wendy (12:24.643)
back in Miami because I believe it's going to be a cruise because

Kelli (12:29.546)
I thought wouldn't it be funny if she was asking him to use his private plane to get back to Miami? So they didn't have to go on, I mean they don't have to go on Stephanie's anyway because they didn't go there on Stephanie's but.

Wendy (12:35.659)
I'm, listen.

Wendy (12:42.499)
Right, right. Yes, so she's like, you go on Richard's planes, there's no rules. You can go on his boat. There's no rules. You can smoke, you can poop, you can do whatever you want to do. I don't know, can you smoke on the plane? Probably not.

Kelli (12:57.676)
You probably can't smoke on the plane, you can on the yacht.

Wendy (13:00.407)
Yeah. And then back in Maribel, the ladies are sitting down to eat and I didn't screenshot the table, but the table looked amazing there too. Lisa sits down and she's like, I love this rich people dinner. Lisa was a little bit over the top. Yes. Yes. Gorgeous. That table was gorgeous. But Lisa's comments and I don't know, was she tipsy that she was acting that way?

Kelli (13:16.936)
that table at at the house and more but yeah, beautiful beautiful

Wendy (13:29.273)
Like when she stood up.

Kelli (13:29.742)
I don't know. She got up like she was gonna do another toast or something. She did do another one?

Wendy (13:32.901)
Yeah, well, she did do a toast and you well, she did one. She said she even said like she's sitting next to Julie. She's like, Oh, I want to hold the glass by the stem. And I want to talk like rich people. And then she looks over to Derek and asks if he has any gray poop on. It was weird. It was it was a little weird. And then she stands up and she says I want to I want to raise I want to raise your glass.

Kelli (13:51.042)
Yeah, she must've been a little tipsy. Yeah.

Wendy (14:01.985)
It's, this is amazing. And I was like, what is she doing? Like, this isn't her thing. She wishes her friends were there. I'm like, okay. So weird. It so weird. Then, then Julia asks Derek if him and Jeffrey would accept to be the godfather of her boys. And he said, absolutely. And then he, Julie excuses them and those two go and they're gonna

Kelli (14:15.68)
Yeah, it was it was off. It was off

Kelli (14:24.939)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (14:30.661)
They go talking, which was nice. And they FaceTime with the boys so that the boys know and Martina. But that was a quick conversation. Martina kind of rushed them off that. Did you notice that?

Kelli (14:33.175)
Yeah.

Kelli (14:43.778)
I didn't notice that, did she?

Wendy (14:45.347)
Yeah, was, yeah, she did. Something to do with like, he's getting kind of heavy or something. I guess she was holding him and one of the kids and holding the phone. I thought that was a little interesting. Yeah. Then Adriana and her confessional says, was so nice that Julia asked them, but she was hoping that she would be asked to be a godmother, which I do.

Kelli (14:57.006)
That is interesting.

Kelli (15:08.716)
Yeah, I think that ship has sailed. I think she's gonna be asking Alexia Marisol before she asks Adriana.

Wendy (15:16.417)
I do too. I do too. Then we see Stephanie's on the phone with Masood. Kiki and Gertie, okay, so this is interesting. Kiki and Gertie are talking about the word ratchet and when she's gonna have the conversation with Adriana. At the same time, Adriana is talking to Lisa and said that she couldn't sleep last night thinking that what did I say last night that was so bad? So Adriana is telling Lisa that she said wretched.

Kelli (15:46.484)
Mm-hmm. Ratchet.

Wendy (15:47.165)
not Ratched. And honestly, with her accent, Ratched and Ratched sound exactly the same. They do. So Ratched, definition is, very unhappy or unfortunate state. Again, whether she said Ratched or Ratched, her intentions were not the way Kiki took them, for that word.

Kelli (15:55.736)
They do. Yeah.

Kelli (16:15.468)
Right, or anybody else sitting at that table, because they were making it a big deal.

Wendy (16:17.613)
or anybody else, right. Exactly, exactly. So I was very glad to hear that whole conversation. I was glad that that happened. Because Adriana calls over Danny and asks, like, how do you pronounce wretched? And even like when he said it, like, there was no doubt like that it was a confusion. It was just a confusion.

Kelli (16:28.493)
Yeah.

Kelli (16:44.023)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (16:46.775)
Julia's crying while she's talking to Derek, explaining the whole situation with her girls not speaking to her. I guess he's aware of the situation.

Kelli (16:53.838)
Yeah, but there's got to be more to this. There has to be more to this.

Wendy (16:59.141)
I agree that there's gotta be.

Kelli (17:00.59)
And I don't, listen, and I don't think that it's necessary for Julie to share that with us because it is about her daughters who are never on the show. So I get that, but there's just gotta be more to the story. But you know, it might just be one of those things where we're not gonna know. Maybe she'll talk about it more at the reunion or at least give an update. Hopefully they're speaking by then. I don't know.

Wendy (17:10.244)
Right.

Wendy (17:15.726)
Yeah.

Wendy (17:26.189)
I don't know, but Derek does say that he's gonna call them. He said, I'm gonna call them, let them be mad at me. So maybe, since they've been there and he does have a relationship with them, maybe coming from somebody else, he may make some headway. And I hope so, because I do feel bad for her. I mean,

Kelli (17:46.062)
I mean, I can't even imagine. I mean, you know, not talking to your kid.

Wendy (17:51.191)
Right, and then she brings up about Martina. Martina's very upset about it. She's like, what if I get cancer again? Then are they gonna come around? We have a short time on this planet. Family's family. I feel like they definitely need to work it out.

Kelli (18:02.584)
Right, right.

Wendy (18:14.667)
Then the ladies all hug and they say goodbye to Derek and they leave. We didn't see the plane ride home. I'm sure it was uneventful. The next day is the day that they're gonna celebrate Stephanie's birthday and they're all wearing their flamenco dresses, but Marisol says that she had already planned the party and she wasn't sure she could get her deposit back. So she was gonna continue on with those plans. It's like, okay, Marisol.

Kelli (18:31.138)
you

Wendy (18:42.65)
And I don't even know, like what was the party? Was it just the carriage ride and the flamenco? Is that what the party was?

Kelli (18:49.278)
I think there was something after, because she was like, I guess I'll cancel the cake. Like maybe they were supposed to go eat somewhere and then they were going to bring a cake out. There had to be something else, right?

Wendy (18:59.787)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they get all dressed and they're gonna take these horse drawn carriages around the Plaza de España and there's three ladies per carriage. And they stop and because all of a sudden these Flamenco singers and dancers are there and they're singing Happy Birthday to Stephanie. And you could see she was very touched by it because she did, yeah, she's like, I've never, like she said, she'd never been on a girl's trip. She's not really a girl's girl.

Kelli (19:21.698)
She was. She called Maseud, right?

Wendy (19:29.926)
and she, I was going to say that.

Kelli (19:30.418)
She said it on Heather MacDonald. When she talks about not having a big wedding, she's like, well, it's been established, I don't have friends.

Wendy (19:37.741)
Right, right. And she also talks about like her appearance when she was younger and you know, her nose job and you know, the comment that her mother made to her that and listen, the fact that she was so honest and open about that, that's why I actually would like to see her back. I think there's more to Stephanie. I think there's more to Stephanie that we just haven't seen yet because one, because of Larsa.

Kelli (19:44.942)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (19:58.724)
Yeah.

Kelli (20:07.586)
Yeah.

Wendy (20:07.607)
And two, because all's we've seen, like, I think the jet, her private plane is a character. I mean, I think it is a friend of at this point. There's been so much talk about it.

Kelli (20:17.282)
I think you're right. And I think that she'll probably reflect on this season and see what viewers are saying about all the flex. And she probably wouldn't do it next season. I would hope not. If she does do it again, that's gonna be super annoying. But I would think that she would probably reflect and be like, all right, I'm gonna simmer down with that. Because, know, again, on Heather McDonald, like she talks about how she's like addicted to work, addicted to being productive. So like, show us that.

Wendy (20:27.648)
Right. Right.

Wendy (20:37.698)
Right.

Wendy (20:44.021)
Right. Right. Exactly. Right.

Kelli (20:46.018)
Show us you at the office what you're doing. Like Vicki Gumbelson used to do when the show first started. We saw Vicki working. I like that.

Wendy (20:52.953)
Yeah, I do too. I do too. And even when she talks about like having children, like the fact that she knew that she didn't want to have children. I mean, listen, I think that's awesome. I mean, if you know that you don't want to give up things to have children, then don't have them because they are a blessing, but they are a lot of work and you sacrifice to have them. It never ends. It never ends.

Kelli (21:02.316)
Yeah.

Kelli (21:11.308)
Absolutely.

Kelli (21:17.804)
And it never ends.

It never ends.

Wendy (21:22.403)
Right.

Wendy (21:25.953)
so then the ladies are exploring the castle and Stephanie pulls Alexia aside to see, know, she wants to see what happened. And Alexia said, well, Marisol should be here also. She's like, well, no, because Marisol threw this party for me. I would like to talk to you about it. But Alexia did not want to have that conversation without Marisol there.

Kelli (21:45.494)
No, she did not. And Alexia wouldn't let her talk.

Wendy (21:50.189)
Right, right. She's like, well, what was it? She's like, well, Alexia wanted to, Marisol wanted to spend the day with me. And Stephanie's like, well, the way I felt is that, and then Stephanie said, I don't know what she said when Marisol.

Kelli (22:06.872)
Yeah, she started saying, the way I see it, and Alexia said, I don't want you to take it personal. And Stephanie was like, I let you finish. And then that was it. And like in a you know whose way, she just shut it down. Alexia shut it down, went off.

Wendy (22:14.861)
Right. Right.

Yes, that was it. Yes.

Wendy (22:23.959)
Right. And that's when the other ladies are like hearing what's going on and Stephanie's like, I wanted to bring everyone on the plane. You wanted me to leave people behind. Well, that's actually not true. No.

Kelli (22:33.88)
That's not true at all. Stephanie and Larsa are the ones who said they didn't want Lisa on the plane.

Wendy (22:38.115)
That's right. Alexia said to Lisa, they wanted to leave you behind, which was true. And Alexia and Marisol are yelling at Stephanie that she dangled the carrot and Marisol yells at Stephanie, we don't want to answer you. We don't need to answer to you. We don't. I don't know who you think you are. Then Lisa and Larsa are yelling at each other and Lisa's calling her petty pippin, which I thought was great. I was like, go Lisa.

Kelli (22:42.989)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (23:00.238)
Very good, very good.

Wendy (23:06.295)
Lisa says, you're lucky I'm shutting my mouth. And Lars says, like, open it, open it, la, la, la, la, la, like acting like a child.

Kelli (23:13.858)
like a three year old.

Wendy (23:15.331)
Yeah, yeah.

Alexia is yelling at Stephanie, I didn't have to give you an explanation. We didn't want to go on your plane and that's it. Stephanie said, well, your twin is going to do whatever you do. And that's when she kind of, I think that's really what pushed her over the edge too.

Kelli (23:33.411)
Yeah.

Wendy (23:36.575)
Lars is like, well, the moral of story is you feel like that they didn't want to come purposely because it was your plane. And Stephanie is like, talking to Kiki and Gertie. So in her, in her confessional, after Stephanie said you're twin, meaning Marisol, she's like, well, I never had a twin before. And then she's like, well, look at me when I talk to you. She was like, well, how am going to look at you when one is here and one is there? Like you have to post it.

Kelli (24:03.246)
It's like my eyes don't do this.

Wendy (24:06.085)
funny.

Kelli (24:07.63)
Who was Stephanie talking to when she said Alexia and Marisol are threatened by my relationship with you? Was it Gertie and Adriana?

Wendy (24:09.251)
huh

Wendy (24:20.591)
So Kiki, Gertie and Adriana, she was talking to. Yep. That's who she was talking to. Kiki said, well, can I say something? And she's like, yeah, I don't understand it. Even though Adriana and I had our, like we had our differences, like we had our fight the night before, we still put things aside to like get on the same flight. And that's when Adriana said, listen, Kiki, by the way, I really, want to apologize to you for using that word. Like it has a double meaning. That's not how I meant it.

Kelli (24:24.192)
Okay. Okay.

Wendy (24:49.711)
Kiki accepts her apology and Kiki said, listen, however, like I said that word to you, like I called you old, you know, I shouldn't have said that. So they were like on good terms. And, what she was trying to say is like, you just saw like her and I had this huge fight the night before and we could put everything aside to get on the plane. So why couldn't Marisol and Alexia get on the plane?

Kelli (24:51.8)
Yes.

Kelli (25:12.972)
I agree with that, I totally agree with that. But I also thought Kiki was trying to make a point like why would you pull Alexia aside now when we're here at your birthday party? Like wait until we go back to the hotel or whatever. I thought that was the point she was trying to make also in addition to what you said.

Wendy (25:24.749)
Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yeah. And that, is a valid point. Like this is not a good time.

Kelli (25:33.342)
It is valid. mean, I don't like the way Alexia handled herself. I very rarely do. But I think Stephanie could have waited to have that conversation with her.

Wendy (25:37.922)
No.

Wendy (25:45.059)
I totally agree. I totally agree. So it's the last night in Spain. They get back from the flamenco and we see Marisol is crying to Adriana of all people.

Kelli (25:55.683)
Why is she crying? Why was she crying?

Wendy (25:58.337)
everyone's so horrible. just thought, first of all, I thought it was so odd. And then I, after I started thinking about it as I was taking notes, that's what it was totally staged. Like that they split up Marisol and Alexia. So Marisol is crying to Adriana of all people, like her arch nemesis that, right, that everyone's so horrible. Then Kiki and Gertie show up and Marisol is telling them that she doesn't want, she doesn't know what to do about the cruise. So now she's, now she's

Kelli (26:06.936)
for sure.

Kelli (26:13.354)
Exactly, they can't stand each other.

Kelli (26:24.817)
yeah.

Wendy (26:25.623)
Right, so now she's playing Stephanie. I have this cruise plan that everyone's supposed to go on, but now I don't know what to do. Okay, you were just yelling at Stephanie for that.

Kelli (26:35.072)
Exactly, you're doing the same thing you just had a problem with Stephanie for.

Wendy (26:38.245)
Right. And then upstairs on the roof is Lisa, Alexia and Julia and they're talking and Alexia is saying that Stephanie is trying to create conflict in this group. And then all of a sudden they smell something and they think that they smell death. And then they look over the, you know, the roof and there's some religious parade going on. And Alexia said, this is a sign. It was hard to tell. I mean, I did think I saw a coffin for a split second. Yeah, I mean, either way it was a

Kelli (26:40.46)
Hmm.

Kelli (26:57.9)
Was it a parade or was it a funeral?

Kelli (27:04.546)
That's what I thought.

Wendy (27:07.885)
a religious thing in the street with a lot of people. Right? And Alexi said, this is a sign this group needs to come to Jesus. I mean, we've been saying this for a long time. I think everyone needs to get right. That's right. Lars is talking to Stephanie. Exactly. And she says that she's seeing things differently. She feels like it's Marisol that's playing both sides. And then all of a sudden, Stephanie and Lars start praying to Jesus.

Kelli (27:10.626)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (27:18.72)
Everybody better get right with Jesus.

Kelli (27:23.692)
or whoever you believe in.

Wendy (27:38.789)
So they're upstairs on the roof praying to Jesus.

Kelli (27:41.126)
But really making a joke about it.

Wendy (27:45.197)
Wendy (27:48.589)
I don't know. I don't know what's gonna happen. Now we have to wait and see what happens next episode about what Marisol's gonna do about her wedding cruise and who's gonna be invited and who's not gonna be invited. I mean, we're on episode 13.

Kelli (28:00.589)
I'm almost as tired of hearing about Marisol's wedding as I am about hearing about Stephanie's jet.

Wendy (28:07.905)
Yeah. Yeah, me too.

Kelli (28:11.21)
Almost. I'm this close.

Wendy (28:14.957)
So, I mean, I don't know how many more episodes we're gonna have, but next episode I imagine will be back in Miami since this was the last night in Spain.

Kelli (28:25.58)
I would imagine, I mean maybe we'll see them going home just because it's a topic of conversation. What, I only just began the interview with Stephanie Shojai, how do we say her last name? Shojai, with Heather McDonald. What did you think of it?

Wendy (28:39.215)
So, Shojai, Shojai. So, I thought it was informative. So she talked a lot about some of the misconceptions that are out there that she was never, first of all, she's never even met Masood's ex-wife. They've never met. Yep, they've never met. She was never her assistant. She explains in detail how they met. They met.

Kelli (28:57.378)
That's very interesting, isn't it?

Kelli (29:06.358)
And she says if someone out there has an email chain, because if you're somebody's assistant, obviously you're emailing them. If somebody has a picture, show me. I'd like you to show me. So I do believe her.

Wendy (29:18.829)
No, I believe her too. She did meet him at the stadium and he had asked her out. He was initially introduced to her because of real estate. She was in the real estate, you know, she was a realtor, I guess, right? She was in the real estate, that was like her profession. And he was also in that, you know, so she had an interest in that. And he asked her out and she said, she said no.

Kelli (29:36.012)
Yeah, I guess, yeah.

Wendy (29:49.035)
And then, was it a couple months later or a year later? I think it was almost a year later.

Kelli (29:56.963)
Well, she said she always goes to that one Miami Heat game. I forget whether they play the Lakers or something. So it was the next basketball season.

Wendy (30:04.257)
Yes, I think it is. Yes, yes, it was the next season, the same game. He was there again, she was there and he asked her out again. And this time she said yes, but I think, now I can't remember. I think there was conditions to it. Wasn't there conditions like.

Kelli (30:20.652)
Yeah, something. But I think she canceled that anyway, didn't she?

Wendy (30:25.677)
I don't remember. I don't remember. She does talk fast, but the point of the matter is I believe her in her explanation of how she met him, how they started dating. Her parents did not have a hard time with him. They've always liked him, even though he's, you know, I think two years younger than her father or two years older than her father, whatever way it is.

Kelli (30:26.868)
Yeah, it was... She talks fast.

Kelli (30:38.348)
Yes, I agree.

Kelli (30:47.758)
Yeah, I think she said there's a 24 year age difference, right?

Wendy (30:52.197)
24 years. She was born in the United States, but her parents do not speak English. They're from Cuba. She goes back to Cuba a lot. She considers herself Cuban, even though she's an American, she's Cuban as well.

Kelli (31:07.672)
And her father had a lot of Latin business. So he really had to learn to speak English, really.

Wendy (31:10.413)
Right.

Wendy (31:13.943)
Right, exactly. I thought she came off as very genuine in the Heather McDonald interview. I thought that she was...

Kelli (31:23.703)
It was a better side of her. It was nice to see a better, not better, I shouldn't say better, a different side, like a more relatable kind of down to earth, you know.

Wendy (31:33.165)
Yes, yes. Yeah. It's nice to find a little bit of the history out because all you see, you know, we met her, the first scene we meet is she's on the plane with Larsa to go pick up her dog. So of course our impression is gonna be like, who's this bitch? Who's picking up her dog on a plane? Right? Like that's what we're gonna think. I mean, it's not nice, but that's what we're gonna think.

Kelli (31:46.508)
Right. Right.

Kelli (31:52.584)
Exactly, who's this bitch? Yep.

And I'm sorry, you're telling people they can't shit on your plane but you're putting your dogs on there? I'm sure your dogs have shit on your plane.

Wendy (32:06.915)
Maybe not. Maybe she makes them wear a diaper. Who knows? Who knows? It's really a lot. So, you know, if our listeners get a chance to listen to Heather McDonald, you can, you know, listen to the interview. It was a good interview. So I guess that's it. Until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please give us five star reviews and subscribe. Bye.

Kelli (32:09.906)
maybe, maybe.

Ugh, it's a lot.

Kelli (32:23.862)
Yeah, it was good. It was good.

Kelli (32:35.011)
Bye.